[03:49] <[reed]> asac: um, NM is doubling my network interfaces [09:29] [reed]: only 3G devices? [09:29] oh intrepid? [09:29] then its not NM, but udev and hal [10:22] mconnor: so seems there is something public - finally: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines [10:23] there also is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD for the new notification daemon, but i guess only the design guidelines matter to you [10:35] is gdm broken for anyone else? [10:41] hmmm .... havent re-logged in [10:41] gnomefreak: ask on -desktop [10:41] ? [10:42] i will im trying a few things but since gdm is crashing i doubt anythink else will help === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:05] dtchen, help! after a fresh upgrade (no ppa), i lost sound completely, p-a just sees a "null output" device. http://paste.ubuntu.com/120087/ [13:49] d'oh [13:49] E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 13835058055282159680 bytes (418293516387 ms) Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers. [13:49] Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating. [13:49] Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly. [13:49] Abort [13:57] fta2: are you using all defaults? [14:02] on this box, yes [14:02] good afternoon everyone [14:02] asac: I "accidently" removed NMs DHCP entrie [14:02] I made a new one, but its not default anymore! [14:02] how can I fix it? [14:03] * BUGabundo h@tes the new gwibber notifies popups for jaunty :( [14:03] BUGabundo: best way is to go and remove the connection you dont want to connect to anymore [14:03] BUGabundo: that will be fixed once archive admins push it through [14:04] or use latest gwibber bzr [14:04] I have the daily [14:04] let me check for updates [14:04] asac: but I have 4 connections in there [14:05] I can't delete them all, just to make (manual) DHCP be the 1st [14:06] BUGabundo: just disable autoconnect for the others [14:07] ah [14:07] but that also comes in handy when NM detects the same network [14:09] BUGabundo: if its wireless and multiple APs withauto connect on are detected [14:09] its supposed to connect to the last used [14:09] if notits a bug [14:09] its wired [14:43] asac: I complain from having 300+ bugs [14:43] but you have 1611 results [14:43] xiiii [14:46] oh come on [14:46] there's a https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-smokers ?!? [14:46] I bet gnomefreak is in it too [14:46] smoke is bad... you guys should do your best to stop! === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [15:01] BUGabundo: not sure what "bug" means ;) [15:01] in this count [15:01] eheh [15:01] sub to.... [15:01] I guess [15:01] i that the number of bugs still open that one has touched? [15:01] as team or package manager [15:02] AFAIK its bugs you are notified of [15:02] I would think [15:02] no i think its a bug you have touched or either are explicitly subscribed to [15:03] and that is still open [15:03] you can go to advanced search and search for all states and unhide duplicates [15:03] ahh [15:03] sure, it won't count dups [15:09] how can i enter a ♥ or a ♲ in gwibber?? [15:11] hehe [15:12] ok i am out for a few hours running some errands [16:15] how come fta is not here? [16:19] ahahahahahahahahahah [16:19] DOA ? [16:35] i see no difference /wrt the notifications, is it supposed to be a new default that i missed or should I install something? [16:46] fta2: notify-osd [16:47] do you have that installed/running? [16:48] I don't [16:48] not even installed [16:48] I didn't have ubuntu-desktop lol [16:49] I thought I fixed that [16:57] asac, nope, should I [16:59] hummm fta2 if it comes with ubuntu-desktop, yes [17:00] fta2: gwibber DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.86 was not provided by any .service files [17:00] tells you anything? [17:01] nope, it's running fine here [17:02] but i only use identi.ca [17:02] humm its running fine here too [17:02] but it just crashed [17:02] prob failed to parse something [17:02] oh and you gonna "kill" me again [17:02] I installed from bzr [17:02] ehehe [17:03] couldn't handle all those popups [17:03] lets see if the next daily will run, or will I have to purge it [17:11] for me, it sometimes crashes when i start to write something but forget to submit it [17:11] ehe [17:12] mine tends to crash if I'm TOO FAST [17:12] buffer bug [17:12] ? === stevel_ is now known as stevel [18:05] ok ... out for another two hours or so. [18:06] (again) [18:06] cu later === asac_ is now known as asac [19:43] SEAMONKEY_2_0a3_RELEASE [19:43] FIREFOX_3_0_7_BUILD2 [22:01] i would like to write an extension for thunderbird but dont know where to start as far as documentation for developing for thunderbird. can anyone provide me with some resources? [22:02] asac: ping [22:02] are you around? [22:02] would like to discuss something with you, before emailing -discuss ML [22:03] any help guys? [22:04] ezzieyguywuf: this is a calm time now [22:05] ok [22:05] please email the mozilla team ML [22:05] if you can't stay around === fta2_ is now known as fta2 [22:23] fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 [22:23] Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] [22:26] ahh, at last! [22:26] :) [22:27] yay [22:27] power down, my whole office, probably a fried fuse [22:27] you got your clone back [22:27] fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 [22:27] Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] [22:27] caused by the power adapter of my laptop [22:27] ahah... really lucky then [22:28] no idea if it's a fuse, the plug in the wall is dead [22:28] i had to recable everything [22:28] and fsck all the disks in my desktop :P [22:29] ++ [22:29] so, what about gwibber? [22:32] ehe [22:32] fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805 [22:32] Ubuntu bug 331805 in gwibber "rev 245 will not clear message field" [Undecided,New] [22:32] for the 3rd time [22:32] humm you burned the wall socket with the power adpatar? [22:32] sorry, i'm still booting all my stuff [22:32] yes [22:32] damn... what does it use ? lolol [22:32] np, just kidding [22:33] take most of what I say with an hand of salt (joke) [22:33] donno what happened, the laptop was fine in another room, i move it close to my desktop, plugged the power, boom, everything dead [22:34] checked everything, the wall socket is dead [22:34] yeah [22:34] tried the power module in another plug, huge spark [22:34] be carful [22:34] those can hurt you if you don't know what u are doing [22:34] I have some experience with it [22:35] my dad is an electritian [22:36] i'm an engineering in electronics ;) [22:36] and in advanced CS too btw [22:36] but i hate electronics [22:37] BUGabundo, nope, never experienced 331805 [22:37] yeah [22:38] I was 4 years in university on Computer Electronics and Electricity [22:38] but then changed to computer science eng [22:39] had my last exam today (SGRAI = OpenGL) [22:43] when i was still at school, opengl was in its infancy, i used GL a bit on Irix, i never used openGL [22:44] I really don't enjoy it [22:44] I know its trully powerfull [22:45] I made an homer go around in the world [22:45] LOL [22:45] eh? [22:45] but I don't enjoy coding all that much [22:47] i only enjoy it when it's for myself, that includes opensource [22:48] yeah [22:48] I understand [22:48] the power to do it yourself [22:48] improve stuff that you need / like [22:54] BUGabundo: what discussion? [22:54] ah?? [22:54] asac: ahhh now I remmember what [22:54] lol [22:54] * BUGabundo has really bad memory [22:55] as long as you have remembory its ok ;) [22:55] what would you say to a proposal of having some of the packages that are on PPA, from CoreDevs on Universe? [22:55] during devel period [22:55] and who knows even after release [22:55] but with a diff name [22:55] pic NM [22:55] stable branch on Main [22:56] i dont see the benefit ;) [22:56] and a replacble version (maybe NM-dev or something) on universe [22:56] why would you want to do that? [22:56] two things [22:56] mirroring from archive mirrors (PPAs are not mirrored) [22:57] and having easy access to users, without adding PPAs [22:57] i dont buy any of those [22:57] i mean mirroring is not a problem [22:57] i doubt that there is any significant load/bottleneck in bandwidth [22:58] and coredevs would put their stuff in archive instead of PPA if they would consider it ready for broader distribution [22:58] humm I do notice it [22:58] my local/national mirrors are way faster [22:58] yes, but even if there is a bottleneck in bandwidth ;) ... there are many approaches besides from puttin it into the universe [22:59] ask your mirror to mirror popular PPAs ;) [23:00] but the important part is really, that when i put stuff into PPA, I dont want it in the archive [23:00] one main usecase is obviously backports [23:01] there is ubuntu-backports, but what i understood a few dont like to enable backports [23:01] hence i use PPAs [23:01] maybe thats the wrong approach though [23:01] let me relogin [23:01] a minute [23:02] I enable backports [23:03] but I don't for proposed [23:03] and that's what I say on my FOSS class... [23:03] by the away new ones start 7 of march [23:03] yay [23:06] BUGabundo: ok the notification things are now fixed in latest nm-applet from today [23:06] gwibber probably takes another day [23:07] ask the gwibber team to update their ppa ;) [23:07] using trunk seems to fix it [23:07] yeah [23:07] it landed everywhere [23:07] and ppl are complaining about NM lolol [23:08] now I just miss exaile, firefox, and pidgin, kmail, and im done [23:08] LOL [23:08] firefox? [23:08] basicly that what I use [23:08] firefox should be fine [23:08] plus a few bt clients [23:08] firefox will still keep its own thing [23:08] humm haven't seen any FF show up in there [23:08] ahh ok [23:09] BUGabundo: interesting that people complain a lot ... i wanted t close a bug on upload and had to file one, because there was non reported [23:09] so i didnt really get many complains ;) [23:09] LOL [23:09] yah [23:09] but well. most dont upgrade daily if they run jaunty [23:09] ppl talk much do little [23:09] too much disruption [23:09] more like once a week [23:09] hey, I can't open any more bugs [23:09] and especially not short before FF ;) [23:09] where everything goes in [23:09] I do it 2/4 times a day [23:09] thats ok [23:10] i dont need many bugs. [23:10] just the most important ones ;) [23:10] I love to see coments from ppl saying " hay 200 MiBs of updates" [23:10] eehe [23:10] I get way more! [23:10] btw I haven YET received a single email over the NM bug mail [23:10] strange! [23:10] thought it would be more [23:10] what did you do? [23:11] subscribed to nm? [23:12] BUGabundo you seem to be not subscribed to the package [23:13] BUGabundo: look in 47379 [23:13] you should be in the "Also notified" list [23:13] thats who is subscribed in general mostly [23:13] yeah [23:13] I subs to the team bug mail [23:13] * BUGabundo checks to be sure [23:13] not the package it self [23:13] BUGabundo: yeah thats not it [23:13] go to the bugs page [23:13] yeah [23:13] and subscribe [23:13] now I get it [23:14] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/ [23:14] there is "subscribe to bugmail" [23:14] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+subscribe [23:14] shouldn't the team be subs to bug mail of the package? [23:14] no please not [23:14] thats good as it is ;) [23:14] DONE [23:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet [23:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+subscribe [23:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp [23:15] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-vpnc [23:15] see team was easier [23:15] LOL [23:16] well ... better not force that on team members [23:16] should be opt in what everyone likes [23:17] 4x DONE [23:18] welcome [23:19] i think its more effective to use website and do like [23:19] 1 day New processing [23:19] 1 day incomplete [23:19] 1 day confirmed [23:19] humm I use email a lot [23:19] or something [23:19] and started to learn the LP api [23:19] well ... problem is that if you have too many bugs combined with bad memory [23:19] so maybe I can get a few stuff on queue for when I'm offline [23:19] you will not get anything done ;) [23:19] most of my day... [23:19] just mail that causes more mail and so on ;) [23:20] going through new mail list is much more efficient ;) [23:20] personal work style dependent of course [23:20] you could also use mail and focus on like 20 bugs [23:20] and then finish them and go for another ;) [23:20] but i cannot do that [23:21] let me see how it goes [23:21] for me that would require some more advanced bug flow tool [23:21] if I can't handle it, I just leave you with more work [23:21] lol [23:21] yes [23:21] i just want to prevent traffic without moving forward ;) [23:21] and the API could be fun [23:21] you can do whatever you want of course [23:21] I have to test with it a but [23:21] *bit [23:22] just try to remember what i said so you know what to do when you think things are not moving as quick as they could ;) [23:22] sure [23:23] BUGabundo: so the ideal mix is like dong the website style batches like i said regularly [23:23] and if there ar ebugs that you are interested in particular you subscribe and filter that mail to a higher prio mailbox [23:23] so you get quicker turnarounds [23:23] yeah [23:23] i just updated the gwibber-team ppa with 0.8 [23:24] wasn't it 1.0? [23:24] so you can combine the "focus on 20 bugs" with the "bug triaging by states on website" [23:24] fta: thanks [23:24] that was much needed [23:24] BUGabundo, nope, there's no such thing as 1.0 [23:24] fta: the error that you pasted WRT 0.9.14 means hw:0 couldn't be opened. Are the sound drivers loaded? Is your user in the audio group? [23:25] dtchen, this problem disappeared by itself [23:25] mmkay [23:26] fta: did you upload to jaunty ppa? [23:26] dtchen, it started after today's massive update + a reboot [23:26] i think i still have intrepid url in there [23:26] can i update tat to jaunty? [23:26] asac, yes, why not? [23:27] i'm using gwibber-daily btw [23:27] not sure ... i think when i added that jcastro said they had no jaunty [23:27] fta: i got bzr 200 [23:27] thats probably outdated? [23:27] https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-team/+archive/ppa [23:28] yeah asac [23:28] im on 245 [23:29] probably wait till its build then [23:29] me [23:29] ok taking a break [23:34] fta: will the jaunty gwibber be kept in sync with PPA? [23:35] yes, all my stuff are in sync, whatever PPA combination you may have, the best version wins, that's it. [23:36] yeah [23:36] ill keep daily, plus ocassional bzr trunk for quick fix [23:37] why bzr trunk? can't you wait 24h max? [23:37] example: todays annoying bug with popups: answer: NO [23:37] there's a problem with the dailies though, the version is lower than 0.8 :( upstream should bump the version in trunk [23:38] humm???? [23:38] 0.8~bzr < 0.8 [23:39] trunk should be 0.8.1 or 0.9 or whatever > 0.8 [23:40] ah [23:40] but why? [23:40] to be ahead [23:40] according to apt [23:41] so bzr trunk _should_ be ahead of package versions [23:41] once 0.8 is in universe, the daily ppa will be useless, as versions will be lower [23:41] is that it? [23:42] yes [23:42] ok got it [23:42] have you let know them that? [23:42] do you want me to email/file a bug about that? [23:42] or ping guys on #gwibber irc #? [23:42] i asked oldmanuk already, nada [23:43] i'm not on their network, i should probably file a bug [23:45] sub me to it when you do [23:46] gnome-do 0.8.1~trunk+r1005-0~8.10~ppa1 yeah, funny version [23:46] open-vm-tools 2008.08.08-109361-1ubuntu2.2~andersk4 lol [23:46] hehe [23:47] network-manager-applet 0.7.1~rc1+20090219+bzr974-0ubuntu1 :) [23:48] fta: heh :) ... yeah i took 0.7.1~rc1 + 1 commit [23:50] http://www.funtasticus.com/20090219/t-shirts-can-tell-you-important-stuff/ [23:50] ROFL [23:51] slow [23:53] time to hit the sack! see you guys (and galls if any around) tomorrow. don't you ever sleep? its late on your timezone [23:54] heh [23:54] cu [23:54] ill sleep soonish