[03:49] <[reed]> asac: um, NM is doubling my network interfaces
[09:29] <asac> [reed]: only 3G devices?
[09:29] <asac> oh intrepid?
[09:29] <asac> then its not NM, but udev and hal
[10:22] <asac> mconnor: so seems there is something public - finally: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[10:23] <asac> there also is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD for the new notification daemon, but i guess only the design guidelines matter to you
[10:35] <gnomefreak> is gdm broken for anyone else?
[10:41] <asac> hmmm .... havent re-logged in
[10:41] <asac> gnomefreak: ask on -desktop
[10:41] <asac> ?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> i will im trying a few things but since gdm is crashing i doubt anythink else will help
[12:05] <fta2> dtchen, help! after a fresh upgrade (no ppa), i lost sound completely, p-a just sees a "null output" device. http://paste.ubuntu.com/120087/
[13:49] <fta2> d'oh
[13:49] <fta2> E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 13835058055282159680 bytes (418293516387 ms) Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers.
[13:49] <fta2> Soft CPU time limit exhausted, terminating.
[13:49] <fta2> Hard CPU time limit exhausted, terminating forcibly.
[13:49] <fta2> Abort
[13:57] <asac> fta2: are you using all defaults?
[14:02] <fta2> on this box, yes
[14:02] <BUGabundo> good afternoon everyone
[14:02] <BUGabundo> asac: I "accidently" removed NMs DHCP entrie
[14:02] <BUGabundo> I made a new one, but its not default anymore!
[14:02] <BUGabundo> how can I fix it?
[14:03]  * BUGabundo h@tes the new gwibber notifies popups for jaunty :(
[14:03] <asac> BUGabundo: best way is to go and remove the connection you dont want to connect to anymore
[14:03] <asac> BUGabundo: that will be fixed once archive admins push it through
[14:04] <asac> or use latest gwibber bzr
[14:04] <BUGabundo> I have the daily
[14:04] <BUGabundo> let me check for updates
[14:04] <BUGabundo> asac: but I have 4 connections in there
[14:05] <BUGabundo> I can't delete them all, just to make (manual) DHCP be the 1st
[14:06] <asac> BUGabundo: just disable autoconnect for the others
[14:07] <BUGabundo> ah
[14:07] <BUGabundo> but that also comes in handy when NM detects the same network
[14:09] <asac> BUGabundo: if its wireless and multiple APs withauto connect on are detected
[14:09] <asac> its supposed to connect to the last used
[14:09] <asac> if notits a bug
[14:09] <BUGabundo> its wired
[14:43] <BUGabundo> asac: I complain from having 300+ bugs
[14:43] <BUGabundo> but you have 1611         results
[14:43] <BUGabundo> xiiii
[14:46] <BUGabundo> oh come on
[14:46] <BUGabundo> there's a https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-smokers ?!?
[14:46] <BUGabundo> I bet gnomefreak is in it too
[14:46] <BUGabundo> smoke is bad... you guys should do your best to stop!
[15:01] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure what "bug" means ;)
[15:01] <asac> in this count
[15:01] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:01] <BUGabundo> sub to....
[15:01] <BUGabundo> I guess
[15:01] <asac> i that the number of bugs still open that one has touched?
[15:01] <BUGabundo> as team or package manager
[15:02] <BUGabundo> AFAIK its bugs you are notified of
[15:02] <BUGabundo> I would think
[15:02] <asac> no i think its a bug you have touched or either are explicitly subscribed to
[15:03] <asac> and that is still open
[15:03] <asac> you can go to advanced search and search for all states and unhide duplicates
[15:03] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:03] <BUGabundo> sure, it won't count dups
[15:09] <fta2> how can i enter a ♥ or a ♲ in gwibber??
[15:11] <asac> hehe
[15:12] <asac> ok i am out for a few hours running some errands
[16:15] <fta2> how come fta is not here?
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahahahahah
[16:19] <BUGabundo> DOA ?
[16:35] <fta2> i see no difference /wrt the notifications, is it supposed to be a new default that i missed or should I install something?
[16:46] <asac> fta2: notify-osd
[16:47] <asac> do you have that installed/running?
[16:48] <BUGabundo> I don't
[16:48] <BUGabundo> not even installed
[16:48] <BUGabundo> I didn't have ubuntu-desktop lol
[16:49] <BUGabundo> I thought I fixed that
[16:57] <fta2> asac, nope, should I
[16:59] <BUGabundo> hummm fta2 if it comes with ubuntu-desktop, yes
[17:00] <BUGabundo> fta2: gwibber DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.86 was not provided by any .service files
[17:00] <BUGabundo> tells you anything?
[17:01] <fta2> nope, it's running fine here
[17:02] <fta2> but i only use identi.ca
[17:02] <BUGabundo> humm its running fine here too
[17:02] <BUGabundo> but it just crashed
[17:02] <BUGabundo> prob failed to parse something
[17:02] <BUGabundo> oh and you gonna "kill" me again
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I installed from bzr
[17:02] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[17:03] <BUGabundo> couldn't handle all those popups
[17:03] <BUGabundo> lets see if the next daily will run, or will I have to purge it
[17:11] <fta2> for me, it sometimes crashes when i start to write something but forget to submit it
[17:11] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:12] <BUGabundo> mine tends to crash if I'm TOO FAST
[17:12] <BUGabundo> buffer bug
[17:12] <BUGabundo> ?
[18:05] <asac> ok ... out for another two hours or so.
[18:06] <asac> (again)
[18:06] <asac> cu later
[19:43] <fta> SEAMONKEY_2_0a3_RELEASE
[19:43] <fta> FIREFOX_3_0_7_BUILD2
[22:01] <ezzieyguywuf> i would like to write an extension for thunderbird but dont know where to start as far as documentation for developing for thunderbird. can anyone provide me with some resources?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[22:02] <BUGabundo> are you around?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> would like to discuss something with you, before emailing -discuss ML
[22:03] <ezzieyguywuf> any help guys?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> ezzieyguywuf: this is a calm time now
[22:05] <ezzieyguywuf> ok
[22:05] <BUGabundo> please email the mozilla team ML
[22:05] <BUGabundo> if you can't stay around
[22:23] <BUGabundo> fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805
[22:26] <fta2> ahh, at last!
[22:26] <fta> :)
[22:27] <BUGabundo> yay
[22:27] <fta> power down, my whole office, probably a fried fuse
[22:27] <BUGabundo> you got your clone back
[22:27] <BUGabundo> fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805
[22:27] <fta> caused by the power adapter of my laptop
[22:27] <BUGabundo> ahah... really lucky then
[22:28] <fta> no idea if it's a fuse, the plug in the wall is dead
[22:28] <fta> i had to recable everything
[22:28] <fta> and fsck all the disks in my desktop :P
[22:29] <fta2> ++
[22:29] <fta> so, what about gwibber?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:32] <BUGabundo> fta2: is this that you see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/331805
[22:32] <BUGabundo> for the 3rd time
[22:32] <BUGabundo> humm you burned the wall socket with the power adpatar?
[22:32] <fta> sorry, i'm still booting all my stuff
[22:32] <fta> yes
[22:32] <BUGabundo> damn... what does it use ? lolol
[22:32] <BUGabundo> np, just kidding
[22:33] <BUGabundo> take most of what I say with an hand of salt (joke)
[22:33] <fta> donno what happened, the laptop was fine in another room, i move it close to my desktop, plugged the power, boom, everything dead
[22:34] <fta> checked everything, the wall socket is dead
[22:34] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:34] <fta> tried the power module in another plug, huge spark
[22:34] <BUGabundo> be carful
[22:34] <BUGabundo> those can hurt you if you don't know what u are doing
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I have some experience with it
[22:35] <BUGabundo> my dad is an electritian
[22:36] <fta> i'm an engineering in electronics ;)
[22:36] <fta> and in advanced CS too btw
[22:36] <fta> but i hate electronics
[22:37] <fta> BUGabundo, nope, never experienced 331805
[22:37] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I was 4 years in university on Computer Electronics and Electricity
[22:38] <BUGabundo> but then changed to computer science eng
[22:39] <BUGabundo> had my last exam today (SGRAI = OpenGL)
[22:43] <fta> when i was still at school, opengl was in its infancy, i used GL a bit on Irix, i never used openGL
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I really don't enjoy it
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I know its trully powerfull
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I made an homer go around in the world
[22:45] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:45] <fta> eh?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> but I don't enjoy coding all that much
[22:47] <fta> i only enjoy it when it's for myself, that includes opensource
[22:48] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I understand
[22:48] <BUGabundo> the power to do it yourself
[22:48] <BUGabundo> improve stuff that you need / like
[22:54] <asac> BUGabundo: what discussion?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> ah??
[22:54] <BUGabundo> asac: ahhh now I remmember what
[22:54] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:54]  * BUGabundo has really bad memory
[22:55] <asac> as long as you have remembory its ok ;)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> what would you say to a proposal of having some of the packages that are on PPA, from CoreDevs on Universe?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> during devel period
[22:55] <BUGabundo> and who knows even after release
[22:55] <BUGabundo> but with a diff name
[22:55] <BUGabundo> pic NM
[22:55] <BUGabundo> stable branch on Main
[22:56] <asac> i dont see the benefit ;)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> and a replacble version (maybe NM-dev or something) on universe
[22:56] <asac> why would you want to do that?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> two things
[22:56] <BUGabundo> mirroring from archive mirrors (PPAs are not mirrored)
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and having easy access to users, without adding PPAs
[22:57] <asac> i dont buy any of those
[22:57] <asac> i mean mirroring is not a problem
[22:57] <asac> i doubt that there is any significant load/bottleneck in bandwidth
[22:58] <asac> and coredevs would put their stuff in archive instead of PPA if they would consider it ready for broader distribution
[22:58] <BUGabundo> humm I do notice it
[22:58] <BUGabundo> my local/national mirrors are way faster
[22:58] <asac> yes, but even if there is a bottleneck in bandwidth ;) ... there are many approaches besides from puttin it into the universe
[22:59] <asac> ask your mirror to mirror popular PPAs ;)
[23:00] <asac> but the important part is really, that when i put stuff into PPA, I dont want it in the archive
[23:00] <asac> one main usecase is obviously backports
[23:01] <asac> there is ubuntu-backports, but what i understood a few dont like to enable backports
[23:01] <asac> hence i use PPAs
[23:01] <asac> maybe thats the wrong approach though
[23:01] <asac> let me relogin
[23:01] <asac> a minute
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I enable backports
[23:03] <BUGabundo> but I don't for proposed
[23:03] <BUGabundo> and that's what I say on my FOSS class...
[23:03] <BUGabundo> by the away new ones start 7 of march
[23:03] <BUGabundo> yay
[23:06] <asac> BUGabundo: ok the notification things are now fixed in latest nm-applet from today
[23:06] <asac> gwibber probably takes another day
[23:07] <asac> ask the gwibber team to update their ppa ;)
[23:07] <BUGabundo> using trunk seems to fix it
[23:07] <asac> yeah
[23:07] <asac> it landed everywhere
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and ppl are complaining about NM lolol
[23:08] <BUGabundo> now I just miss exaile, firefox, and pidgin, kmail, and im done
[23:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:08] <asac> firefox?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> basicly that what I use
[23:08] <asac> firefox should be fine
[23:08] <BUGabundo> plus a few bt clients
[23:08] <asac> firefox will still keep its own thing
[23:08] <BUGabundo> humm haven't seen any FF show up in there
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[23:09] <asac> BUGabundo: interesting that people complain a lot ... i wanted t close a bug on upload and had to file one,  because there was non reported
[23:09] <asac> so i didnt really get many complains ;)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:09] <BUGabundo> yah
[23:09] <asac> but well. most dont upgrade daily if they run jaunty
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ppl talk much do little
[23:09] <asac> too much disruption
[23:09] <asac> more like once a week
[23:09] <BUGabundo> hey, I can't open any more bugs
[23:09] <asac> and especially not short before FF ;)
[23:09] <asac> where everything goes in
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I do it 2/4 times a day
[23:09] <asac> thats ok
[23:10] <asac> i dont need many bugs.
[23:10] <asac> just the most important ones ;)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> I love to see coments from ppl saying " hay 200 MiBs of updates"
[23:10] <BUGabundo> eehe
[23:10] <BUGabundo> I get way more!
[23:10] <BUGabundo> btw I haven YET received a single email over the NM bug mail
[23:10] <BUGabundo> strange!
[23:10] <BUGabundo> thought it would be more
[23:10] <asac> what did you do?
[23:11] <asac> subscribed to nm?
[23:12] <asac>  BUGabundo you seem to be not subscribed to the package
[23:13] <asac> BUGabundo: look in 47379
[23:13] <asac> you should be in the "Also notified" list
[23:13] <asac> thats who is subscribed in general mostly
[23:13] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I subs to the team bug mail
[23:13]  * BUGabundo checks to be sure
[23:13] <BUGabundo> not the package it self
[23:13] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah thats not it
[23:13] <asac> go to the bugs page
[23:13] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:13] <asac> and subscribe
[23:13] <BUGabundo> now I get it
[23:14] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/
[23:14] <asac> there is "subscribe to bugmail"
[23:14] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+subscribe
[23:14] <BUGabundo> shouldn't the team be subs to bug mail of the package?
[23:14] <asac> no please not
[23:14] <asac> thats good as it is ;)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> DONE
[23:15] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet
[23:15] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+subscribe
[23:15] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp
[23:15] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-vpnc
[23:15] <BUGabundo> see team was easier
[23:15] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:16] <asac> well ... better not force that on team members
[23:16] <asac> should be opt in what everyone likes
[23:17] <BUGabundo> 4x DONE
[23:18] <asac> welcome
[23:19] <asac> i think its more effective to use website and do like
[23:19] <asac> 1 day New processing
[23:19] <asac> 1 day incomplete
[23:19] <asac> 1 day confirmed
[23:19] <BUGabundo> humm I use email a lot
[23:19] <asac> or something
[23:19] <BUGabundo> and started to learn the LP api
[23:19] <asac> well ... problem is that if you have too many bugs combined with bad memory
[23:19] <BUGabundo> so maybe I can get a few stuff on queue for when I'm offline
[23:19] <asac> you will not get anything done ;)
[23:19] <BUGabundo> most of my day...
[23:19] <asac> just mail that causes more mail and so on ;)
[23:20] <asac> going through new mail list is much more efficient ;)
[23:20] <asac> personal work style dependent of course
[23:20] <asac> you could also use mail and focus on like 20 bugs
[23:20] <asac> and then finish them and go for another ;)
[23:20] <asac> but i cannot do that
[23:21] <BUGabundo> let me see how it goes
[23:21] <asac> for me that would require some more advanced bug flow tool
[23:21] <BUGabundo> if I can't handle it, I just leave you with more work
[23:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:21] <asac> yes
[23:21] <asac> i just want to prevent traffic without moving forward ;)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> and the API could be fun
[23:21] <asac> you can do whatever you want of course
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I have to test with it a but
[23:21] <BUGabundo> *bit
[23:22] <asac> just try to remember what i said so you know what to do when you think things are not moving as quick as they could ;)
[23:22] <asac> sure
[23:23] <asac> BUGabundo: so the ideal mix is like dong the website style batches like i said regularly
[23:23] <asac> and if there ar ebugs that you are interested in particular you subscribe and filter that mail to a higher prio mailbox
[23:23] <asac> so you get quicker turnarounds
[23:23] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:23] <fta> i just updated the gwibber-team ppa with 0.8
[23:24] <BUGabundo> wasn't it 1.0?
[23:24] <asac> so you can combine the "focus on 20 bugs" with the "bug triaging by states on website"
[23:24] <asac> fta: thanks
[23:24] <asac> that was much needed
[23:24] <fta> BUGabundo, nope, there's no such thing as 1.0
[23:24] <dtchen> fta: the error that you pasted WRT 0.9.14 means hw:0 couldn't be opened. Are the sound drivers loaded? Is your user in the audio group?
[23:25] <fta> dtchen, this problem disappeared by itself
[23:25] <dtchen> mmkay
[23:26] <asac> fta: did you upload to jaunty ppa?
[23:26] <fta> dtchen, it started after today's massive update + a reboot
[23:26] <asac> i think i still have intrepid url in there
[23:26] <asac> can i update tat to jaunty?
[23:26] <fta> asac, yes, why not?
[23:27] <fta> i'm using gwibber-daily btw
[23:27] <asac> not sure ... i think when i added that jcastro said they had no jaunty
[23:27] <asac> fta: i got bzr 200
[23:27] <asac> thats probably outdated?
[23:27] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-team/+archive/ppa
[23:28] <BUGabundo> yeah asac
[23:28] <BUGabundo> im on 245
[23:29] <asac> probably wait till its build then
[23:29] <asac> me
[23:29] <asac> ok taking a break
[23:34] <BUGabundo> fta: will the jaunty gwibber be kept in sync with PPA?
[23:35] <fta> yes, all my stuff are in sync, whatever PPA combination you may have, the best version wins, that's it.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:36] <BUGabundo> ill keep daily, plus ocassional bzr trunk for quick fix
[23:37] <fta> why bzr trunk? can't you wait 24h max?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> example: todays annoying bug with popups: answer: NO
[23:37] <fta> there's a problem with the dailies though, the version is lower than 0.8 :( upstream should bump the version in trunk
[23:38] <BUGabundo> humm????
[23:38] <fta> 0.8~bzr < 0.8
[23:39] <fta> trunk should be 0.8.1 or 0.9 or whatever > 0.8
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:40] <BUGabundo> but why?
[23:40] <fta> to be ahead
[23:40] <fta> according to apt
[23:41] <BUGabundo> so bzr trunk _should_ be ahead of package versions
[23:41] <fta> once 0.8 is in universe, the daily ppa will be useless, as versions will be lower
[23:41] <BUGabundo> is that it?
[23:42] <fta> yes
[23:42] <BUGabundo> ok got it
[23:42] <BUGabundo> have you let know them that?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> do you want me to email/file a bug about that?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> or ping guys on #gwibber irc #?
[23:42] <fta> i asked oldmanuk already, nada
[23:43] <fta> i'm not on their network, i should probably file a bug
[23:45] <BUGabundo> sub me to it when you do
[23:46] <fta> gnome-do 0.8.1~trunk+r1005-0~8.10~ppa1  yeah, funny version
[23:46] <fta> open-vm-tools 2008.08.08-109361-1ubuntu2.2~andersk4 lol
[23:46] <BUGabundo> hehe
[23:47] <fta> network-manager-applet 0.7.1~rc1+20090219+bzr974-0ubuntu1 :)
[23:48] <asac> fta: heh :) ... yeah i took 0.7.1~rc1 + 1 commit
[23:50] <BUGabundo> http://www.funtasticus.com/20090219/t-shirts-can-tell-you-important-stuff/
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[23:51] <asac> slow
[23:53] <BUGabundo> time to hit the sack! see you guys (and galls if any around) tomorrow. don't you ever sleep? its late on your timezone
[23:54] <asac> heh
[23:54] <asac> cu
[23:54] <asac> ill sleep soonish