[04:15] <maco> how can i find out how recent the drivers i'm using in jaunty are as compared to upstream Xorg?
[04:27] <maxb> look at the version number? :-)
[04:27] <maco> i mean as compared to git snapshots
[04:27] <maco> i'm being asked about the ddx
[04:34] <RAOF> We don't appear to be using git snapshots at all.
[04:34] <RAOF> Wel, with the exception of nouveau and openchrome.
[04:35] <RAOF> If you're not on either of those, the answer is "pretty close to the release version".
[05:10] <maco> well i'm going to go ahead and try git master for intel and see if it's better than what's in jaunty, because the gpu wedges fairly often in jaunty. (uxa has no effect on how often)
[05:13] <maco> (that's on i965, if anyone cares. also when that happens and i alt+sysrq+k, it just makes vertical stripes. X doesn't die cleanly, so GDM doesn't re-spawn.)
[18:21] <bryce> morning
[19:43] <mnemo> hi bryce :)
[19:44] <mnemo> either you overslept badly or, you're in US western timezone?
[20:05] <tjaalton> yes
[20:07] <mnemo> "bryce harrington" sounds so british ;>
[20:07] <bryce> mnemo: I had an early morning meeting, then went for breakfast
[20:07] <bryce> it was a meeting about X gfx driver support on ARM
[20:07] <mnemo> ah cool
[20:08] <bryce> which sounds like it's going to be b!tch and probably the result is going to make nobody happy
[20:08] <bryce> but we'll see
[20:08] <mnemo> oh, whats the issue that makes it hard?
[20:09] <bryce> there is currently no driver developed for the hardware, and the discussions so far are that the interested companies want to make a proprietary driver
[20:09] <mnemo> aah
[20:10] <bryce> anyway
[20:10] <bryce> on the plus side, I've really made some good progress against the -ati bug load the past couple days :-)
[20:11] <mnemo> sweet
[20:11] <bryce> with tormod and other's help, we've gone from 158 bugs at the start of last month, to about 111 right now
[20:11] <bryce> and a big bulk of those are closed as fixed, not as expired
[20:12] <mnemo> i guess all bugs were against the open source ati driver right?
[20:12] <bryce> right, I'm not counting the -fglrx bugs
[20:12] <bryce> there were several which were just problems in -ati after having leftover bits of -fglrx, so don't know if those really should be counted as fixed, but the person's problem was solved in those cases
[20:13] <bryce> I don't want to look at -intel right now tho
[20:14] <mnemo> yea lots of people asking about intel perf etc
[20:14] <mnemo> have you seen this bug btw? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/328932
[20:15] <mnemo> its an SDL bug but its sort of annoying
[20:15] <mnemo> i want to stress UXA with some games but..
[20:15] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/totals.svg
[20:15] <bryce> wish we could unsub ubuntu-x from lrm-2.6.24, heh
[20:16] <mnemo> whats lrm?
[20:16] <bryce> linux-restricted-modules
[20:16] <mnemo> aah
[20:17] <bryce> mnemo: I don't normally look at libsdl bugs tbh, but will review real quick in case it is an X issue
[20:17] <mnemo> i think its a packing bug in libsdl
[20:17] <mnemo> so its definitely not in your area
[20:18] <bryce> ok
[20:18] <bryce> looks like they're using -nvidia
[20:18] <mnemo> it repros on all cards
[20:18] <mnemo> so its like all sdl+GL games on all cards
[20:19] <mnemo> bryce: for the the arm stuff.. are you considering ubuntu nvidia tegra?
[20:21] <bryce>     + Switch build-dependency to libgl1-mesa-dev from xlibmesa-gl-dev.
[20:21] <bryce>     + Switch dependency of libsdl1.2-dev to libglu1-mesa-dev from 
[20:21] <bryce>       libglu1-xorg-dev.
[20:21] <bryce> those changes in 1.2.13-3 seem relevant
[20:22] <mnemo> aah right
[20:22] <bryce> the ubuntu changes are all just sound stuff, which I wouldn't think could cause this
[20:23] <bryce> the 1.2.13-4 changes seem innocuous
[20:24] <bryce> lots of changes in 1.2.13-3 though; that'd be my guess as to where to look.  Those mesa deps changes seem like the most relevant changes
[20:25] <bryce> hmm, although in the previous ubuntu version before that, it already had one of those changes:
[20:25] <bryce>     - Prefer libgl1-mesa-dev build-dependency over xlibmesa-gl-dev.
[20:25] <mnemo> I also have a vague memory that it worked in early feb
[20:26] <mnemo> but i dont remember exact date when it stopped working
[20:26] <bryce> well it would probably be good to revert to libsdl1.2 (1.2.13-2ubuntu1) and verify you cannot reproduce the issue
[20:26] <mnemo> yea I will try that
[20:26] <mnemo> thanks
[20:26] <bryce> if that is the case, then it points to one of the libsdl1.2 changes between that version and the current one
[20:26] <mnemo> yup
[20:26] <bryce> if not, then perhaps something in mesa or -nvidia is to blame
[20:27] <bryce> iirc we got new -nvidia drivers around that time
[20:28] <bryce> mesa 7.3-1ubuntu1 got merged at the end of Jan, so sort of fits the timeframe too, although that was just going from an rc to the official release so was mostly just bug fixes
[20:29] <bryce> anyway, good luck
[20:29] <mnemo> thx