| sadmac | solrize: if you can talk Keybuk in to it we'll change | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sadmac | I don't expect you will | 00:00 |
| solrize | well it sounds like upstart is already ignoring some filename patterns, it's just a matter of documenting them | 00:01 |
| sadmac | I can't seem to find the code that does that right now... | 00:01 |
| solrize | hmm, i wonder if it is gone | 00:02 |
| * sadmac wonders if it was in libnih | 00:04 | |
| sadmac | yep | 00:05 |
| sadmac | found it | 00:05 |
| solrize | brb | 00:05 |
| sadmac | solrize: .dpkg-*, *.rpm{save,orig,new}, *;d3adb33f; where d3adb33f is random hex. | 00:06 |
| sadmac | solrize: and a few more now, it seems | 00:08 |
| sadmac | solrize: *,v RCS CVS CVS.adm SCCS .bzr .bzr.log .hg .git .svn BitKeeper .arch-ids .arch-inventory {arch} _darcs *.swp *.swo *.swn .#* *~ *.bak *.BAK #*# .* | 00:10 |
| sadmac | solrize: so revision control, editor tempfiles, and a few backups | 00:13 |
| solrize | ok, that is reasonable, they're not so uptight about the FHS thing. or anyway the FHS spec says /etc contains conf files but it doesn't exclude other files (besides binaries) | 00:15 |
| solrize | re, had to talk to someone here in the office | 00:17 |
| solrize | so how about add README-* to the list? that's a unix tradition | 00:18 |
| sadmac | in tarballs | 00:18 |
| solrize | the practice predates tarballs :) | 00:22 |
| sadmac | Scott's the one you need to flagellate about that one. | 00:24 |
| solrize | anyways i won't worry about it for now, there's too much else to figure out. thanks | 00:26 |
| sadmac | np | 00:27 |
| solrize | is there someplace where upstart actions are logged? | 02:36 |
| sadmac | solrize: system log | 02:39 |
| solrize | aha thanks | 02:41 |
| solrize | initctl reload says "initctl: invalid command: reload" | 02:44 |
| sadmac | solrize: what do you want that to do? | 02:44 |
| solrize | get upstart to reload the conf files | 02:44 |
| solrize | faq.html says initctl reload does this | 02:45 |
| sadmac | solrize: that's automatic. inotify | 02:45 |
| solrize | it doesn't seem to have noticed changes that i made | 02:45 |
| sadmac | solrize: restart the individual job(s) in question | 02:45 |
| solrize | how? | 02:45 |
| sadmac | solrize: 0.3.9? | 02:46 |
| solrize | hmm | 02:46 |
| solrize | 0.3.8 | 02:46 |
| solrize | ic, it's out of sync with the web site | 02:46 |
| solrize | it's what came on ubuntu gutsy, i think | 02:46 |
| sadmac | solrize: initctl stop;initctl start | 02:46 |
| solrize | "missing job name" | 02:47 |
| solrize | oh adding that | 02:47 |
| sadmac | heh | 02:47 |
| solrize | still doesn't seem to notice the change. it's running an old version of the file. | 02:48 |
| sadmac | what's different? | 02:49 |
| solrize | sec | 02:50 |
| solrize | i changed the name of an event and used initctl emit | 02:51 |
| solrize | but it only recognizes the old name, not the new one | 02:52 |
| solrize | and it runs the wrong command to start the service | 02:52 |
| solrize | i.e. i changed that too, but it runs the old one | 02:52 |
| solrize | brb | 02:52 |
| sadmac | hmm | 02:56 |
| solrize | should i kill -HUP the /sbin/init process? is that where this runs from? | 02:58 |
| sadmac | that would do it. On that version of upstart though it will cease to manage your existing processes | 02:59 |
| solrize | hmm | 02:59 |
| solrize | i better not do that then | 02:59 |
| solrize | does upstart care whether a conf file is owned by root or by a user? i chowned it to myself so i could edit it without sudo | 03:02 |
| solrize | chowned back to root, no change | 03:03 |
| sadmac | hmm | 03:03 |
| sadmac | any issues loading it should be in syslog | 03:03 |
| solrize | i just see a bunch of error messages there about how it couldn't run the old command | 03:04 |
| sadmac | hmm | 03:04 |
| solrize | just tried again, no change. i wondered if it might auto-reload after 10 minutes or anything like that. | 03:25 |
| sadmac | no. it should be in there | 03:26 |
| solrize | according to ls -lu the file hasn't been accessed in the past 25 minutes | 03:27 |
| solrize | i will try renaming the file | 03:28 |
| solrize | weird, now the job doesn't even show up in initctl list | 03:29 |
| sadmac | are you sure your syntax is right? | 03:29 |
| solrize | checking syslog | 03:29 |
| solrize | there's an erorr message | 03:30 |
| solrize | "duplicate value" | 03:30 |
| solrize | i have two exec commands, is that ok? i thought i saw that in one of the examples | 03:31 |
| sadmac | nope | 03:31 |
| sadmac | not ok. | 03:31 |
| solrize | ic | 03:31 |
| solrize | ok i deleted one of them | 03:31 |
| solrize | hmm i think htis is better, it seems to be trying to start the task and failing and respawning | 03:32 |
| sadmac | good | 03:33 |
| solrize | thanks! i think i can add more tracing and figure out what's wrong from here | 03:35 |
| sadmac | cool | 03:35 |
| solrize | is there a way to set the uid of an exec process, like cron has? | 03:38 |
| solrize | i guess "sudo -u username", hmm | 03:38 |
| sadmac | yeah. or su | 03:38 |
| solrize | still seems to run as root | 03:40 |
| sadmac | that doesn't make sense... | 03:41 |
| solrize | "exec sudo -u solrize /bin/bash scriptname...." | 03:41 |
| sadmac | maybe an su thing | 03:42 |
| sadmac | exec su solrize - /bin/bash scriptname | 03:43 |
| solrize | trying | 03:43 |
| sadmac | oh crap, that won't work | 03:43 |
| sadmac | exec su solrize "/bin/bash scriptname" | 03:43 |
| solrize | ok | 03:43 |
| sadmac | su doesn't concatenate args | 03:43 |
| solrize | i need -c maybe ? | 03:44 |
| sadmac | that too | 03:44 |
| sadmac | :) | 03:44 |
| solrize | su -c "command" solrize | 03:45 |
| sadmac | there we go | 03:45 |
| solrize | bah, still runs as root | 03:48 |
| sadmac | I have no idea why. | 03:49 |
| solrize | i'll keep tracing it, thanks for all the help | 03:49 |
| sadmac | np | 03:50 |
| solrize | aha, got it working. i didn't realize that killing the service and letting it restart with "respawn" wouldn't reload the upstart task | 04:13 |
| solrize | thanks | 04:13 |
| sadmac | that'd explain it. | 04:13 |
| solrize | upstart is pretty cool but it really needs documentation | 04:13 |
| sadmac | patchers wanted :)] | 04:16 |
| solrize | there's a similar situation with the prog i'm working on... most of the code was written by a guy i'll call "bob" and there's no docs. my manager used to keep asking if there are any resources i need, and my answer was always "yes, about 10 feet of ethernet cable" | 04:17 |
| solrize | "what do you want that for?" | 04:17 |
| solrize | "i want to tie bob to a chair and make him explain how the code works so i can document it" | 04:18 |
| sadmac | le sigh | 04:18 |
| solrize | hee | 04:22 |
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| keesj | sadmac: where to document? | 12:24 |
| sadmac2 | keesj: document which? | 15:32 |
| keesj | sadmac2: I wonder where the documentation can be enhanced. I would fancy having a read syntax manual for each release | 18:47 |
| sadmac2 | keesj: its neglected enough that I think you could pretty much do whatever you wanted :) Keybuk has been historically opposed to documenting a lot of it because he presently reserves the right to change any of it at any time. | 18:49 |
| Keybuk | plus I like moving the files around ;) | 18:50 |
| sadmac2 | that too | 18:50 |
| Keybuk | 1.0 will probably be /etc/init/*.conf <g> | 18:51 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk: we're not in /lib anymore at least. | 18:51 |
| Keybuk | we've never been in /lib :p | 18:54 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk: we were hypothetically there once | 18:54 |
| sadmac2 | It made me itchy. | 18:54 |
| keesj | today i created a bzr branch on launchpad of upstart | 18:54 |
| Keybuk | sadmac2: I briefly considered it | 18:55 |
| Keybuk | udev installs to there, but udev's rules are a programming language | 18:55 |
| Keybuk | and you can simply "add lines of code" to that programming language to change its behaviour | 18:55 |
| Keybuk | so it makes sense | 18:55 |
| keesj | I added support for loglevel in the /etc/init/init.conf file | 18:56 |
| keesj | would like to get it in upstart http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~keesj/upstart/upstart-next/revision/969 | 18:56 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk: what have you been working on code-wise? In addition to most of a Bison parser I've been ripping out start/stop on and looking at doing that job tree thing. | 18:56 |
| Keybuk | haven't | 18:57 |
| * Keybuk bbl | 18:57 | |
| sadmac2 | oh good, I'll just go nuts then :) | 18:57 |
| keesj | OMG | 18:57 |
| sadmac2 | keesj: yes? | 18:58 |
| keesj | what? | 18:58 |
| sadmac2 | keesj: OMG? | 18:58 |
| sadmac2 | you sounded excited... | 18:58 |
| keesj | no just the removal of start/stop | 18:59 |
| sadmac2 | yep | 18:59 |
| sadmac2 | now its just on | 18:59 |
| sadmac2 | or on/until | 18:59 |
| * sadmac2 also bbl | 19:00 | |
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