[00:25] <ghostcube> hmmm is there anything known why /dev/dsp isnt working on intreoid kde4.2 intel hda OB SK
[00:26] <ghostcube> my games claim no /dev/dsp available
[00:26] <ghostcube> but this worked a time ago very well
[00:26] <ghostcube> all oss thingies are installed and loaded
[00:26] <ghostcube> oO
[00:48] <Riddell> ~twitter update I'm glad the internet has good blogs to read while I wait for qt compiles.  I recommend badscience.net
[00:48] <kubotu> status updated
[00:50] <ScottK> Riddell: According to doko we need to recompile the python QT stuff now that we've moved from 2.4/2.5 to 2.5/2.6.  He promises email tomorrow.
[00:51] <Riddell> I can imagine that to be the case
[00:51]  * ScottK looks at the buildd backlog and despairs..
[00:56]  * JontheEchidna links our kdepim bugs to upstream bugs
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/bin/ktnefviewer
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> hmmmm
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> Ah, we don't package it anymore
[03:15] <ScottK> Isn't it embedded in kdepim now?
[03:23] <ScottK> libsdl1.2 is fixed.  It was a bad merge, not the fault of our arts eradication campaign.
[03:30] <shtylman> will qt4.5 be shipped with jaunty?
[03:38] <ScottK> That seems likely at this point.
[03:55] <maco> since KMail crashes when i try to set my GPG encryption key, how *can* i set it?
[03:55] <maco> is there a text file somewhere?
[04:02] <shtylman> some plasma widgets have drawing issues with the new qt
[04:02] <maco> with qt 4.5?
[04:02] <vorian> maco: really?
[04:02] <maco> that's known... that's why kubuntu's shipping 4.4, isn't it?
[04:03]  * vorian unsets and resets
[04:03] <maco> 4.4 has a bunch of layout stuff broken so the plasmoids are all hacked to work with it
[04:03] <maco> think of it as Internet Explorer CSS
[04:03] <shtylman> yea...I installed 4.5 from rgreening ppa and layout stuff seems to be ok
[04:03] <maco> so 4.5 fixes it (think: WebKit) but thus makes it incompatible
[04:03] <shtylman> oh..havn't checked webkit stuff yet
[04:04] <shtylman> but the folder view plasmoid is broken
[04:04] <maco> WebKit was the first to pass Acid3
[04:04] <shtylman> nice
[04:04] <maco> so i'm using it as the example of "standards compliant CSS" v. "Internet Explorer CSS"
[04:04] <shtylman> heh
[04:04] <ScottK> As I hear it KDE 4.2.1 will have a patch set for Qt4.5 compatibility.
[04:04] <vorian> we shall soon find out
[04:04] <maco> really? i thought they were just going with 4.3 being the 4.5 compatible one
[04:04] <shtylman> to patch 4.2?
[04:04] <shtylman> will we get to it in time?
[04:05] <vorian> shtylman: it will be done upstream
[04:05] <vorian> s/will/is being
[04:05] <ScottK> 4.2.1 is due out in ~a week or so.
[04:05] <scott_ev> evenin all, first time here
[04:05] <vorian> march 4th
[04:05] <vorian> hi scott_ev
[04:05] <ScottK> o/ scott_ev
[04:06] <ScottK> OK, for some large definition of 'or so'.
[04:06] <vorian> ScottK: scott_ev is interesting in helping on the bug-squad
[04:06] <vorian> interested, even
[04:06]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna as he's Mr. Bug.
[04:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: ^
[04:06] <ScottK> scott_ev: Glad to have you.  We definitely need more help.
[04:06] <scott_ev> I did qa in a MSFT environment a few years ago.
[04:06] <scott_ev> good
[04:06] <scott_ev> same mind set applies, sort of
[04:07] <shtylman> ScottK: gotcha
[04:07] <ScottK> It's a bit different I think.
[04:07] <shtylman> will we pull upstream again?
[04:07] <shtylman> or just the patch set
[04:08] <ScottK> shtylman: We will move to 4.2.1 and probably even 4.2.2 before release.
[04:08] <shtylman> thats fast
[04:08] <ScottK> scott_ev: The key thing is to get good bug reports so we can either fix our packaging problems or upstream can get them fixed.
[04:09] <ScottK> Bugs found now have a decent shot at being in a load we have before release.
[04:09] <shtylman> ScottK: how are bugs that go upstream handled?
[04:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna is the expert, but generally you file a bug at bugs.kde.org and then link the b.k.o bug to the LP bug.
[04:10] <ScottK> Then we'll see status change on the remote bug watch and know what's up
[04:11] <ScottK> Part two of important is making the bug reporters feel like it's worth their time to report stuff.
[04:11] <scott_ev> ScottK: understood
[04:11] <ScottK> That's more of a social problem than a technical one, but very important.
[04:11] <maco> ScottK: that one seems to work not so well
[04:11] <maco> :-/
[04:12] <ScottK> maco: Agreed.
[04:12] <ScottK> I don't think that in general the Ubuntu bug squad is doing really well about that.
[04:12] <maco> i think a lot of us triagers ask all the questions we can think of then go "uhh....i don't think that's enough info, but i don't know what else devs need, so i give up" and hope someone else will take over triaging
[04:12] <ScottK> I think we do better in Kubuntu with KDE stuff, but there's always room for improvement.
[04:13] <vorian> maco: i cannot reproduce your gpg crash in kmail
[04:13] <scott_ev> what chanel is the bugs announce running on?
[04:13] <ScottK> maco: I see a lot of Can you reproduce this in an current release -> Incomplete.
[04:13] <ScottK> That's pretty demotivating I think.
[04:13] <maco> vorian: i can set the *signing* key
[04:13] <shtylman> yea
[04:14] <ScottK> vorian: Install seahorse and I expect you can reproduce the hell out of it.
[04:14] <vorian> ah, no way!
[04:14] <maco> ScottK: i'm not using seahorse agent!
[04:14] <maco> i'm using gpg-agent
[04:14] <ScottK> OK.
[04:14] <ScottK> I'm probably going to feel like your system is forever haunted by seahorse.
[04:14] <maco> but for encryption i click the "choose" button and select my key. not sure if i get to the "OK" button or not, but it crashes before i get back to the screen that shows what keys are currently set and has teh "apply" button
[04:15] <maco> hahha
[04:15] <ScottK> Got backtrace?
[04:15] <maco> scott_ev: #ubuntu-bugs-announce i think
[04:16] <maco> ScottK: not yet. i just hit it when kmail went "i refuse to send this email encrypted because your key is not set"
[04:16] <scott_ev> maco: thx, I was hoping for one specific to Kubuntu
[04:16] <maco> scott_ev: same bug tracker
[04:16] <scott_ev> goode
[04:16] <maco> and the same apps can be run in both
[04:16] <scott_ev> I have it scrolling right now
[04:16] <scott_ev> ok, thx
[04:16] <shtylman> I think that sometimes the problem for reporting bugs is the time it takes to report the bug
[04:17] <shtylman> even with the simple launchpad interface it can be a burden
[04:17] <maco> lp's nicer than bugzilla, but i often just go upstream rather than boher with waiting for it to be forwarded
[04:18] <maco> if you know it's upstream, don't bother telling the *buntu folks
[04:23] <maco> i'm install kmail-dbgsym now
[04:32] <maco> LOL nice debug output! "KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing..."
[04:34] <maco> ScottK: halp!
[04:35] <maco> gdb says "no stack"
[04:35] <maco> :)
[04:35] <maco> *:(
[04:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ You around?
[04:35] <ScottK> That or maybe vorian has a suggestion on getting a stack trace?
[04:37] <maco> also:  The program has no registers now.
[04:38] <maco> i have the dbg output from while it ran if that helps. it crashes on an ASSERT
[04:39] <maco> im guessing that means the assert received a 0
[04:42] <ScottK> Keep in mind the only programming I do is in Python.  You almost certainly know better than I do.
[04:43] <maco> really?
[04:43] <maco> ok
[04:43] <maco> well next time i have to look at python, i'm asking you
[04:43] <maco> that stuff's weird. the brackets are invisible O_O
[04:59] <rgreening> Riddell: ping. <awake>?
[04:59] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[05:00] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[05:00] <ScottK> rgreening: I think you're closer to him than anyone else who's active at the moment.  Run over and wake him up.
[05:00] <rgreening> lol. tru dat
[05:01] <rgreening> the altantic is a bit cold to swim in this time of year
[05:02] <rgreening> ScottK: do you know if Riddell got the Qt build figured out?
[05:04] <scott_ev> vorian: off topic. are you a freenode staffer?
[05:07] <ScottK> Lost my keyboard for a bit there.
[05:07] <ScottK> rgreening: No.
[05:07] <maco> rgreening is further east than me?
[05:07] <ScottK> I'm firther east than you.
[05:07] <ScottK> i/u
[05:08] <ScottK> He's in Newfoundland.  Further north too.
[05:08] <rgreening> Im in th emost easterly point in north america
[05:08] <rgreening> :)
[05:08] <rgreening> And location of the oldest city in north america
[05:08] <ScottK> North America/island pretending to be part of North America.
[05:08] <rgreening> and location of the first wireless transatlantic signal :)
[05:08] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:09] <rgreening> Yeah, well we were our own country once too.
[05:09] <rgreening> :P
[05:09] <maco> ah ok
[05:09] <rgreening> republic of newfoundand!
[05:09] <rgreening> woo-hoo
[05:09] <maco> ScottK: i always forget baltimore is northeast.
[05:10] <maco> in my head, it's near Frederick
[05:10] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:10] <ScottK> I always think I95 runs north/south, but it really doesn't.
[06:21] <rgreening> *yawn*
[07:50] <jussi01> rgreening: +1 on that ;)
[09:55] <Nightrose> hmmm there is a lot of gnome stuff to be installed on my intrepid system in updates today
[09:55] <Nightrose> anyone got an idea what this is about?
[09:56] <Sput> they're infecting you!
[09:56] <Nightrose> :P
[09:57] <Nightrose> gnomemount and libgnomeprintutil to name two
[10:05] <maco> Nightrose: aptitude why gnomemount
[10:05] <maco> ?
[10:06] <Nightrose> i   mugshot        Depends    libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90)
[10:06] <Nightrose> i A libgnomevfs2-0 Recommends gnome-mount
[10:08] <maco> ok so its because you have mugshot installed
[10:08] <Nightrose> but there is no upgrade of mugshot available
[10:09] <Nightrose> so i don't understand why i get all those new packages it wants me to install
[10:09] <Nightrose> i'll investigate some more
[10:37] <Riddell> NCommander: please rescore https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1/+build/871126
[10:38] <NCommander> What, you don't like it -5000 build score :-)?
[10:38]  * NCommander did that so the Jaunty builds would take presence during feature freeze.
[10:39] <NCommander> rescored.
[11:28] <Riddell> hi jploh
[11:28] <jploh> hello
[11:28] <jploh> i'm new to python and kde. i've been trying to poke around with KNotification. it seems that i still need to create an instance of QApplication
[11:28] <jploh> my code is here http://pastebin.com/m7dc1a14a and i also made an app.notifyrc
[11:28] <jploh> maybe someone here can point me to the right direction
[11:31] <Riddell> jploh: yes, you always need a KApplication
[11:31] <Riddell> and a mainloop exec_()
[11:31] <Riddell> else it won't do anything
[11:31] <Riddell> here's a notification example
[11:31] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier.py
[11:31] <jploh> thanks!
[11:31] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier.notifyrc
[11:31] <jploh> great!
[11:32] <Riddell> you need to put the .notifyrc file in /usr/share/kde4/apps/notifier
[11:32] <jploh> i was thinking of using wx, i guess i should use qt completely?
[11:32] <Riddell> and killall knotify4; knotify4 to restart it
[11:32] <Riddell> jploh: to use knotify you have to use KDE
[11:32] <jploh> yes, i'm using kde now.
[11:33] <Riddell> you can also use just qt but then you're limited to qsystemtrayicon.message() or making your own popup widget
[11:33] <jploh> got it. thanks a million
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: k3b svn seems to stabilize a bit... not that many updates now
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably come out with a package today or tomorrow so that we can test
[11:43] <Tonio_> and "hi all", of course :)
[11:46] <ghostcube_> ehlo :)
[12:37] <seele> good morning ninjas!
[12:39] <Nightrose> morning ninja!
[12:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:45] <Riddell> do ninjas do group hugs?
[12:45] <Nightrose> of course
[12:45] <Nightrose> but only in secret
[12:45] <Nightrose> behind closed doors
[12:47] <seele> not much of a group hug if only three people are awake :)
[12:48] <seele> of course they happen to be my two favorite ninjas..
[12:48] <Nightrose> more than 2 -> group
[12:48] <Nightrose> definitely a group hug
[12:48] <seele> 2 could, 3 crowd, 4 group?
[12:48]  * Nightrose hugs seele and Riddell
[12:48] <seele> yay!
[13:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: the kubuntu website seems to have a "Home" link which overlaps with the kubuntu logo in the top left now
[13:03] <rgreening> Riddell: did qt build work after
[13:05] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1  "Currently building"
[13:07] <Riddell> NCommander: can you rescore kdepimlibs next?  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/870548 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/870550
[13:08] <Riddell> is there anything we want to see different on the CD sleaves this time round?  muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Kubuntu - 9.04 CD copy.odt
[13:14] <rgreening> Riddell: "the very best translations..."... lets hope so this time round...
[13:16] <ScottK> I would propose we don't promise that until we have some evidence it can be delivered.
[13:16] <rgreening> Riddell: RAM requirements should be looked at again. KDE4 and 256 is really on the low side of "bare" minimum. Not sure what KDE team specs out for KDE4, but I know it runs reasonably ok on 384...
[13:17] <rgreening> Riddell: I have another who had a high end system, but it installed the free vid drivers and 512 Meg or RAM and no vid card accel, its a dog.
[13:23] <rgreening> kmail keeps losing or changing default settings on me....!!!!!
[13:23] <rgreening> I use classic view, yet it just changed to fancy...
[13:24] <rgreening> kmail is behaving strange indeed
[13:28] <ghostcube> rgreening: what free drivers ? radeon hd or nvidia os
[13:29] <rgreening> ghostcube: well, the radeon one actually didn't work at one point due to an apparant ABI mismatch so 3d accel didnt work. That appears fixed now :)
[13:29] <ghostcube> ah ok thx :)
[13:30] <ghostcube> anything new about th nvidia OS ones ? i havent tested them till now
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pong
[13:31] <rgreening> gnop
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> need something? You pinged like 3 people :P
[13:32] <rgreening> lol. Not anymore. THat was yesterday :) hahaha
[13:46] <shtylman> rgreening: how goes the compilation and packaging front?
[13:47] <Nightrose> Riddell: JontheEchidna: do you know if discover.kde.org is linked to from any kubuntu website? i had a confused user send me an email and he said it was some kubuntu site that sent him there
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we do... discover.kde.org isn't even finished
[13:47] <Nightrose> right
[13:48] <Nightrose> I am working on it ;-)
[13:48] <Nightrose> it is currently only showing a naked drupal install
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[13:48] <Nightrose> ok if you see it somewhere let me know
[13:48] <Nightrose> the user doesn't seem too clueful so it might just be some random site on the net
[13:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: looks like we do http://www.kubuntu.org/tour
[13:50] <rgreening> shtylman: Riddell has uploaded Qt for build/release. Should be ready in an hour or so...
[13:50] <Nightrose> Riddell: ah ok - might be a good idea to remove that for now as it only shows a empty drupal install
[13:50] <Nightrose> i hope we have it sorted in a week or two
[13:51] <shtylman> rgreening: is that to his ppa? or the main repo? and what about the needed kde rebuild? or patch set?
[13:51] <rgreening> shtylman: thats in main
[13:51] <shtylman> rgreening: cool
[13:51] <rgreening> shtylman: I'm going to upload kdebase-workspace again.
[13:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: maybe link to the visual guide instead?
[13:52] <rgreening> I also patched in our bzr and Riddell can release a new kdebase-workspace at anytime to fix the crashing of kdmgreet cased in qt 4.5.0.
[13:53]  * Riddell takes the hint and looks at kdebase-workspace
[13:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: ^^
[13:54] <rgreening> :)
[13:54] <rgreening> Im a persistant bugger sometimes
[13:54] <shtylman> heh
[13:55] <rgreening> so, shtylman, there you have it. A couple of hours of build and we are good to go. Quintasan, as well will be able to update :)
[13:56] <rgreening> ty Riddell :)
[13:56] <Riddell> hang on it hasn't built yet
[13:56] <Riddell> could still all blow up
[13:57] <shtylman> rgreening: excellent ... Riddell: don't be negative :)
[13:58] <rgreening> Riddell: well, the workspace fix is required at any rate. So that can happen. I have Qt 4.5.0 built here on amd64 with the exact same one I uploaded, so amd64 will build :)
[13:58] <rgreening> which should mean i386 as well
[13:58] <Lure> oh, we are getting qt 4.5!
[13:58] <Lure> rgreening: great work!
[13:59] <rgreening> yus
[13:59] <rgreening> np.
[13:59] <rgreening> I has some help from fabo too (ty fabo)
[14:00] <rgreening> Riddell: I expect some of the hppa and sparc failure will be easily sortable.
[14:01] <rgreening> ScottK: ^ is the ports expert :P
[14:14] <seele> hmm.. i think i got too much sleep last night.
[14:14] <seele> i read today's launchpad interview and immediately thought "so *he's* the one to blame for launchpad?"
[14:14] <seele> hehe
[14:15] <seele> urgh
[14:20] <shtylman> Riddell: I ran through an install front to back last night just to make sure it worked and try some of the features. Everything installed and autologin was sucessful
[14:21] <Riddell> shtylman: excellent!
[14:22] <Riddell> freeflying: shouldn't baidu be included with the KDE search providors?
[14:30] <seele> is ubuntu using clutter for anything in jaunty?
[14:36] <Riddell> netbook-launcher is on hte netbook remix
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Pitti approved another SRU of mine in one bug, but the debdiff I attached also fixes another bug. (which has all the good SRU stuff too) Did his first confirmation also count as an ACK for the second bug or will I need to get a separate approval of the other bug before the fix can be uploaded to proposed?
[14:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's the bug number?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> bug 314016 and bug 330446 is the other one
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> the debdiff is attached to the first one
[14:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: one of those bugs is for kdesdk the other for kde4libs, how can one patch fix both?
[15:00] <markey> re
[15:01] <markey> anyone know how far the evtouch driver for touch screens is progressed, and it it's usable in ubuntu?
[15:01] <markey> the information on its homepage is rather thin
[15:01] <markey> doesn not list what models are supported, etc
[15:02] <markey> http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/evtouch.html
[15:02] <markey> someone told me that ubuntu is working on this driver, not sure how valid that is
[15:05] <Riddell> markey: best to ask one of the X types (bryce, tjaalton, tseliot)
[15:06] <markey> ok
[15:08]  * markey currently got General Touch screen that he needs to get working on kubuntu, but only a driver that was made for SUSE, or the the evtouch driver as an alternative
[15:08] <markey> whatever works
[15:08] <markey> General Touch is the company, from china
[15:09] <markey> the SUSE driver even kinda works, minus some calibration issues
[15:09] <markey> calibrating the thing is hard
[15:10] <freeflying> Riddell: it should be :)
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oops, I uploaded the wrong source package
[15:15]  * JontheEchidna will take care of it after he gets back
[15:26] <Riddell> "jaunty lpia  Successfully built  (NEW)"
[15:26] <Riddell> rgreening: qt4-x11 success!
[15:26] <rgreening> :)
[15:27] <rgreening> yay. so, Riddell, now we need the kdebindings patch for smoke and then all of KDE should be able to be rebuilt on Qt 4.5.0
[15:28] <Riddell> rgreening: I put that in bzr
[15:28] <Riddell> but I havn't compiled it or uploaded it since there's the python issue
[15:28] <rgreening> cool. so, I gues that can/should be promoted
[15:28] <rgreening> oh.
[15:28] <rgreening> I'll get the bzr branch and have a look. what issue did you see/find
[15:31] <rgreening> Riddell: is the python issue in kdebindings or due to a new python? or something else?
[15:34] <Riddell> both I expect
[15:34] <Riddell> I didn't see any issue, others were talking about it yesterday
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: we should consider this kde bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169772
[15:35] <Riddell> it probably needs python-qt4 looked at first
[15:35] <rgreening> Riddell: ^ I have this issue on two of my systems. Acer One and Aspire 6930.
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll look at rebuilding python-qt, and then kdebindings. I'll upload to my PPA.
[15:37] <rgreening> Riddell: this is LP bug 259181
[15:38] <Riddell> rgreening: grep this for python http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/19/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[15:38] <rgreening> ok.
[15:38] <rgreening> what do you think about the bug above Riddell
[15:38] <Riddell> I'm all for having it fixed
[15:39] <Riddell> rgreening: if you see the problem you're probably best placed to confirm the fix though
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> bug 259181 is the same bug
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> heh, I love comment 13
[15:41] <rgreening> I can test/apply the fix. THe issue is that on 4/3 its stretched the other way, but its less ugly than seeing screen corruption
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 314016 now has the correct source package attached
[15:42] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: "Yes"
[15:42] <rgreening> lol
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Exactly :P
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> I wonder what sort of activity Kubuntu packages will see for the bugjam
[15:46] <rgreening> brb. rb testing kdmgreet
[15:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a debdiff is usually easier to read than attaching the .diff.gz
[16:04] <rgreening> Riddell, JontheEchidna: setting to 100%x100% works on my Aspire WS. Will test on a 4x3 display now too.
[16:36] <Riddell> rgreening: going to put the patch into bzr?
[16:37] <Riddell> fabo: did you see what I did with phonon and qt 4.5?
[17:01] <rgreening> Riddell: for kdebase-workspace (kdmgreet)? sure. I'm just ensuring there isn't a better way to do this first.
[17:04] <cbr> is qt 4.5 out?
[17:08] <Riddell> cbr: ask Qt?
[17:16] <Quintasan> rgreening: It didn't worked :<
[17:17] <Riddell> NCommander: please pimp up build score https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[17:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: Have I poked you about my package in REVU?
[17:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: I don't believe you have
[17:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: poke, I think I've fixed it
[17:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: what package?  what URL?
[17:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widger-klicker
[17:27] <Riddell> humph, HTML5 video works but only using the phonon gstreamer backend
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> meh, gstreamer is the sucky backend too
[17:33] <rgreening> Riddell: can we setup phonon prefs to use gstreamer for that only and xine by default for everything else?
[17:38] <Riddell> I doubt it
[17:39] <rgreening> too bad.
[17:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: advocated!
[17:40] <Quintasan> Good to hear, thanks :3
[17:42] <fabo> Riddell: no, i didn't see your changes for phonon/Qt. I'll look.
[17:44] <Riddell> fabo: I made it use -phonon and -no-phonon-backend and then removed the libphonon before the packaging happens
[17:44] <Riddell> fabo: that seems to be the only way to get it to build and using the system phonon
[17:45] <seele> karmic koala huh?
[17:45] <seele> i didnt know there were koalas in india or buddists in australia
[17:45] <seele> :D
[17:47] <Riddell> ooh that got announced did it?
[17:51] <seele> it did
[17:51] <seele> as did UDS
[17:51] <Riddell> looks like they dropped the brainstorm idea for UDS applicants
[17:52] <rgreening> Riddell: can you test Lancelot menu under Qt4.5? Applications aren't showing up for me.
[17:53] <rgreening> why does Karmic Koala make me want to breat out into a Boy George song...
[17:54] <rgreening> Kar-ma Kar-ma Ko-a-la-a, she comes and goes....
[17:55] <seele> it reminds me of a karmacoma from massive attack
[17:55] <nixternal> rgreening: you didn't just do that did you? :p
[17:56] <rgreening> yup
[17:56] <rgreening> now I cant get it out of my head
[17:56] <nixternal> ya, I hope I don't start singing that now
[17:57] <Quintasan> rgreening: I can't see them also
[17:58] <Quintasan> (Applications in Lancelot)
[17:58] <rgreening> Riddell: we'll have to go over the plasma applets. see what is broken. and backport fixes.
[18:01] <Quintasan> rgreening: Lancelot is fixed in trunk (I think)
[18:01] <Quintasan> rgreening: I also installed all applets available in repos and they worked for me
[18:01] <rgreening> Quintasan: care to make a diff/patch and test it out?
[18:01] <Quintasan> rgreening: dunno if I can do it
[18:01] <rgreening> lol
[18:02] <rgreening> :)
[18:02] <Quintasan> but I'll try :P
[18:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^^
[18:02] <rgreening> maybe JontheEchidnacan help
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be too hard to do as long as we can find the actual patch
[18:14] <ScottK> rgreening: Before a kdebindings upload is going to work there's underlying python stuff that needs rebuilt.
[18:16] <jussi01> !9.04
[18:16] <jussi01> crap, wrong place.
[18:20] <seele> ugh.. what an unproductive day. i havent managed to get any work, homework, reading, or open source stuff done
[18:22] <jussi01> seele: call it a "rest" :D
[18:22] <ScottK> I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it wasn't very restful either.
[18:23] <Quintasan> hmm can we use patches from gentoo?
[18:24] <ScottK> If they are appropriately licensed
[18:24] <ScottK> Generally I doubt that's a problem.
[18:26] <Quintasan> Hmm I've also found patches for kdm to fix the crash with Qt 4.5
[18:27] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/kde-base/kdeplasma-addons/files/lancelot-qt45.patch?view=markup
[18:27] <seele> yeah.. not very relaxing when you try to get stuff done and you dont
[18:27] <DaSkreech> Did I miss the karmic talk already?
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> the patch was most likely pulled from trunk anyway, I doubt there'd be any problems
[18:29] <Sput> also, hwoarang can be found in #gentoo-kde if there are questions :)
[18:30] <maco> JontheEchidna: ScottK says to talk to you regarding bugs
[18:30] <maco> because he doesn't know C++
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> I'm no C++ expert either :P
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> I do know a bit about bugs though
[18:32] <maco> kmail crashes when i try to set my encryption key. gdb says "no stack"
[18:32] <maco> right before it says "KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing...
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> strange
[18:32] <maco> there's an assert and signal 6 (which kill -l says means abort)
[18:32] <rickspencer3> davidbarth: ping
[18:33] <davidbarth> rickspencer3: hey
[18:33] <rickspencer3> sweet
[18:33] <maco> do Q_ASSERT()'s send abort signals?
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> they indicate that something's wrong. applications usually crash after that
[18:34] <rickspencer3> hi all
[18:34] <Quintasan> rickspencer3: hi there
[18:34] <rickspencer3> obviously it's post feature freeze today, and you probably noticed "no Kubuntu Dx notification system"  :(
[18:35] <maco> JontheEchidna: crashes are usually a SIGFPE or SIGSEGV though, aren't they?
[18:35] <rickspencer3> I know the Dx team made a valiant effort, but almost didn't it into Ubuntu
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> maco: asserts can lead to those types of crashes, yes
[18:35] <ScottK> davidbarth: What's the appropriate venue for feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?
[18:36] <maco> so i'm kind of wondering why it's abort. and why the assert's failing.
[18:37] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: 6 month schedules are tight
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> it basically means that the app couldn't recover from the error and it's gonna crash
[18:37] <ScottK> DaSkreech: There still isn't any consensus in the Kubuntu community that these changes are wanted.
[18:38] <rickspencer3> well, since we have another six months until the next Feature Freeze, I thought we might want to set a time to chat with the Dx team regarding how to work together to approach the next release
[18:38] <davidbarth> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Comments
[18:38] <ScottK> davidbarth: Thanks.
[18:38] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I thought the basic consensus was that we didn't really
[18:38] <davidbarth> ScottK: and you can also email the notify-osd-developers on LP
[18:39]  * DaSkreech watches ScottK's notify light up
[18:39] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: It got into Ubuntu ?
[18:39] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: If you are on the very latest
[18:40] <DaSkreech> Ok :0
[18:40] <rickspencer3> otherwise, it will be in the next alpha
[18:41] <rickspencer3> DaSkreech: wrt consensus, I think the consensus was that the Dx team and the Kubuntu community should work together on notifications
[18:41] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: How should I add this patch to kdeplasma-addons? quilt or something else?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> quilt, yeah
[18:41] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: Agreed
[18:42] <DaSkreech> Makes no sense to have teams fighting
[18:42] <Quintasan> I hope I won't kill the whole package :D
[18:42] <DaSkreech> Just as ScottK said maybe not quite the notificatons that were suggested
[18:43] <rickspencer3> I think this isn't a great time, but next week we should discuss the best way to join forces and do an awesome job for the next release
[18:43] <davidbarth> on the topic of consensus, and now that there is some code out, i'd like to get back to aaron's proposal to standardize the non-standard org.freedesktop.Notifications
[18:44] <davidbarth> ie, to shift the debate to the xdg list, and identify the parts of the notification system that can be grouped under a common umbrella
[18:44] <ScottK> davidbarth: I think the entire notion of removing feedback from notifications is broken.
[18:44] <shtylman> Riddell: do we want to skip the language step? since it is chosen during bootup?
[18:45] <davidbarth> and also agree that there are *different* views on the way to handle feedback
[18:45] <davidbarth> and that apps need to check the capabilities of the servers to make informed choices
[18:45] <rgreening> Quintasan: THhe kdm fix was already uploaded :)
[18:45] <ScottK> davidbarth: I think it is very premature to be listing any KDE apps on a 'should modify' list.
[18:46] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: \o/
[18:46] <Quintasan> rgreening: to your ppa or to main?
[18:46] <Quintasan> because It still crashes for me >_<
[18:47] <rickspencer3> maybe we can hop into your next meeting to discuss a little?
[18:47] <davidbarth> ScottK: i'm not here to add to this debate really, i'm mostly here to say that i regret to not have had the time to propose any concrete code for kubuntu
[18:48] <ScottK> davidbarth: It probably won't suprise you to find that I'm pleased with the outcome.  Hopefully in the next iteration we can have a more sane design.
[18:48] <davidbarth> ScottK: ;)
[18:48] <davidbarth> Scott: no, i'm not surprised ;)
[18:51] <DaSkreech> rickspencer3: are you just teasing us with the Koala being none brown? :)
[18:52] <DaSkreech> If there is any discussion I'd like to have on fd.o it's DMs why can't I choose any DM and still be allowed to shut down the computer or switch users
[18:56] <davidbarth> DaSkreech: do you have a pointer to the issue (bug or URL)?
[18:56] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[18:56] <Tm_T> 2054.56 < cumulus007> you have made a great job on kubuntu 9.04
[18:56] <DaSkreech> No it's pretty simple
[18:59] <seele> DaSkreech: i dont think that's really enough information to be very helpful
[18:59] <DaSkreech> seele: ha ha
[18:59]  * seele missed the joke.
[19:01] <shtylman> when are the next disk images sceduled for release?
[19:03] <ScottK> shtylman: Next week.
[19:03] <shtylman> ScottK: thanks
[19:07] <rgreening> Quintasan: should be in main...
[19:07] <rgreening> rev 0ubuntu6
[19:08] <rgreening> no bot, I wasnt talkin to you :)
[19:09] <Quintasan> rgreening: ok, I'll check it
[19:14] <Quintasan> hmm rev 0ubuntu5 here :P
[19:16] <rgreening> hmm.. Riddell posted it AFAIK.
[19:18] <rgreening> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kdebase-workspace Quintasan
[19:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:19] <rgreening> so, it may just not be available in the repo yet.
[19:19] <rgreening> you looking at main archive
[19:20] <Quintasan> rgreening: thanks, I can wait only ^^
[19:21] <Quintasan> quilt patches should sit in debian/patches?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> quick guide to quilt:
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> ln -s debian/patches patches
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> quilt push -a
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> quilt new my_lovely_patch.diff
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> quilt add filesaffected
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> patch -p0 < mypatch.diff
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> quilt refresh
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> quilt pop -a
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> rm patches
[19:23] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Oh, thanks :D
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> I need to wiki that
[19:24] <cumulus007> hey there
[19:24] <cumulus007> I got some problems with KPackageKit
[19:25] <cumulus007> it won't let me search in the repos, the search button is greyed out
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> got packagekit installed?
[19:25] <DaSkreech> :-D
[19:25] <cumulus007> I can't update too, a error dialog appears and says: Authentication failed
[19:26] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: I think so
[19:26] <cumulus007> Í can open it in System Settings
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> not kpackagekit, the "packagekit" package
[19:26] <FFForever> How do i delete all of ubuntu an just leave kubuntu?
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> FFForever: I can answer your question in #kubuntu. This channel isn't really for user support :-)
[19:28] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: really, why the packagekit package is not pulled as a dependency of kpackagekit?
[19:28] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: it wasn't installed
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: bug :P
[19:28] <cumulus007> I don't understand why it's not installed by default?
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> it's a bug
[19:28] <cumulus007> oh
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> bug 327787 in fact
[19:28] <cumulus007> sorry, read it above
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> I think that it's gonna be taken care of next update, if I heard Tonio correctly
[19:29] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Damn you :-P
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[19:30] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: I got to contact you about a bug :P
[19:30] <nixternal> hey, tonight Ubuntu Chicago is kicking off the bug jam...anyone have a solid list of bugs that would be great to use for us tonight and tomorrow?
[19:30] <nixternal> 24 hours of bug jamming!
[19:30] <cumulus007> a error dialog says that
[19:30] <cumulus007> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[19:30] <cumulus007> A problem that we were not expecting has occurred.
[19:30] <cumulus007> Please report this bug with the error description.
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> cumulus007: I get that myself actually.. no clue what's wrong
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> I have reported it directly to the kpackagekit people though
[19:30] <cumulus007> okay
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> I might be able to find a link in a bit
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19953
[19:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Woot
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: these all need upstream bug reports https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bugs?search=Search&field.status_upstream=hide_upstream
[19:33] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: rock on dude, I will use that tonight and get the ChiKago dudes off and running
[19:33] <nixternal> and dudettes
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[19:33] <Quintasan> nixternal: good luck :D
[19:33] <nixternal> thank you
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> and they also need general testing for reproducibility, etc. kdepim just needs a really good triage
[19:35] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: imho, KPackageKit isn't really fast as Synaptic
[19:35] <cumulus007> it takes about 2 seconds to load the details about a package
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I like Adept in that regard. It's nice and snappy
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> but I use apt-get more than anything
[19:36] <cumulus007> why is KPackageKit so slow?
[19:36] <DaSkreech> I like Adept cause it has Debtags
[19:36] <cumulus007> does it work via DBus?
[19:37] <DaSkreech>  Me loves some debtag support
[19:37] <cumulus007> debtag?
[19:37] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: ya, I am going to setup KDEPIM now on my lappy with my GMail IMAP crap
[19:38] <DaSkreech> cumulus007: Debian packages have tags on them to help sort out categories
[19:38] <cumulus007> ah
[19:38] <DaSkreech> With Adept in KDE3 I could easily sort stuff by debtag
[19:38] <cumulus007> like admin,games,etc.?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> so say all games that are not GUI
[19:38] <DaSkreech> or All admin packages that use Qt
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, Qt update
[19:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna and rgreening: building kdeplasma-addons with patch :3
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> 4.5! Nice!
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: kewl
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> I guess that means my quick quilt guide wasn't too shabby? :P
[19:48] <cumulus007> is QT 4.5 in the repos?
[19:48] <cumulus007> Qt
[19:48] <kuaera> ~seen tonio
[19:48] <kubotu> tonio was last seen 4 months, 10 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes and 3 seconds ago, changing nick from tonio to Tonio_
[19:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: It was VERY helpful :D
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[19:48] <kuaera> O_o; Odd. I was told to seek tonio out regarding new networkmanager problems...
[19:49] <Quintasan> cumulus007: it is but it caused kdm break here
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> ~seen Tonio_
[19:49] <kubotu> Tonio_ was last seen 2 hours, 45 minutes and 3 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> kuaera: ^
[19:49] <cumulus007> oh, that's a pity
[19:49] <kuaera> Better \o/
[19:49] <cumulus007> I want to speed up KDE a bit :D
[19:49] <Quintasan> The patch is in kdebase-workspace rev 0ubuntu6 which is not in main now (in my case)
[19:50] <kuaera> As far as I've read, Plasma is the greatest block with using Qt4.5
[19:51] <Quintasan> kuaera: not really, it woked flawlessy here, only kdm was broken
[19:51] <rgreening> cumulus007: yes. Should be there (at least it's built) :)
[19:51] <Quintasan> lessly*
[19:52] <cumulus007> whatever, I can do a new install within 20 minutes
[19:52] <kuaera> Quintasan: I see; should we expect Qt4.5 with KDE 4.3?
[19:52] <rgreening> kuaera, Quintasan: some plasmoids may behave incorrectly is the more accurate issue. KDM was another thing altogether.
[19:52] <cumulus007> if my system screws up after installing Qt 4.5
[19:52] <Nightrose> hmm guys when is the bugjam again?
[19:52] <kuaera> I usually compile qt-snapshot and compile other programs against that
[19:53] <rgreening> kuaera: Qt4.5 is in for us for 4.2. We'll backport fixes as necessary.
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: Today :P No idea if there's a specific time
[19:53] <kuaera> rgreening: Ah.
[19:53] <rgreening> and already have to some extent.
[19:53] <rgreening> :)
[19:53] <rgreening> right Quintasan :)  got that lancelot fix? :)
[19:53] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: shoot - i should probably blog on planetkde
[19:53] <Quintasan> rgreening: compiling
[19:53] <kuaera> I know that some planned KDE 4.3 features have been backported as well [that's why I'm here, actually]
[19:53] <Nightrose> or did someone already?
[19:54]  * Nightrose is not up to date on planets
[19:54] <Nightrose> sorry
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I don't think anyone has according to the Dot's feed
[19:55] <Nightrose> hmm ok I'll try to blog but got some other stuff to do first
[19:56] <Quintasan> Hmm, btw. I've done some more plasma widgets, I'll upload them to REVU when they will compile successfully here :P
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> first 4.5 regression: bug 332227
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> waiting for apport to retrace is no fun :(
[19:58] <rgreening> which plasmoids were loaded. I know one or two that will cause a crash (Quick launch)
[19:58] <rgreening> needs backportiness
[19:58] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[19:58] <rgreening> :)
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> not my report! You can ask him :P
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> if it retraces the backtrace should tell us
[20:02] <rgreening> I updated the bug JontheEchidna
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> thx
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> I love it when a release comes together
[20:05] <Quintasan> bug 1
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> it's too big to process :P
[20:06] <Quintasan> brb, I'm going to check if it worked :)
[20:08]  * JontheEchidna cleans out Qt4 bugs fixed by 4.5
[20:09] <Quintasan> It works!
[20:09]  * Quintasan is proud of his work
[20:10] <kuaera_> Rargh. Wireless in Jaunty is irritating me :(
[20:10] <Quintasan> hmm. so what should I do?
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I can commit the patch to our bzr repo
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> you should become a kubuntu-member if you plan on doing this sort of stuff regularly ;-)
[20:11] <Quintasan> Oh I think I will
[20:11] <Quintasan> :D
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> just email me the patch from debian/patches and I can get it committed
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> echidnaman at kubuntu dot org
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> I do have to fold some laundry first though
[20:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: sent :3
[20:14] <maco> is the mini iso the same for ubuntu and kubuntu?
[20:17] <shtylman> so I am going through the installer and I think that we might want to disable single click = double click because on the partitioning page when you click a partition to select it, it brings up the edit window. From my pov, just clicking on something shouldn't cause an action like that...ideas?
[20:18] <maco> agreed. single = double confuses me
[20:19]  * Lure_too cannot boot his laptop due to root on lvm breakage
[20:19] <maco> though i do still find kde's version of when double should be double a little odd...but anyway
[20:21] <nixternal> interesting...firefox on my desktop, looks like it belongs, and on my newly installed laptop, looks 1980ish
[20:22] <maco> firefox in kde with it set to use the qt theme for me makes the tabs draw all wrong
[20:22] <maco> tomboy with that setup (gtk use qt them) looks all 1980s
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> laundry folded
[20:28] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: shouldn't that have been on twitter and not IRC? :p
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> IRC is my twitter, pretty much
[20:29] <maco> or identi.ca
[20:29] <maco> since we're supposed to be all FOSS-y up in here
[20:30] <nixternal> oh ya
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/revision/12
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: think you could sponsor an upload for the above? ^
[20:33]  * JontheEchidna restarts for Qt 4.5 goodness
[20:41] <rgreening> Quintasan: does you fix only address lancelot or other plama applets in there? like quicklaunch and quick access (if its in there)
[20:42] <Quintasan> rgreening: Only lancelot
[20:42] <Quintasan> rgreening: Quick access doesn't works?
[20:43] <rgreening> Check out some of the recent bug reports that have come in. I believe quick access was one culprit for crash.. can you investigate a possible fix?
[20:43] <rgreening> Quintasan: can you test on your system so verify is causes a crash
[20:43] <rgreening> as well
[20:43] <Quintasan> rgreening: It works, I have in on panel two times
[20:44] <Quintasan> rgreening: let me check quick launch
[20:44] <rgreening> bugs 332233
[20:44] <Quintasan> rgreening: quicklaunch is the culprit
[20:45] <Quintasan> rgreening: just killed my plasma :D
[20:45] <rgreening> Quintasan: ok, can you look at that bug and confirm with the user? an see if you can get a patch?
[20:45] <rgreening> I'll commit to bzr for you.
[20:45] <Quintasan> rgreening: sure, I'll try
[20:46] <shtylman> rgreening: new qt/kde packages ready? are they in main? and should I update?
[20:46] <rgreening> Quintasan: I believe that one is part of kdebase-workspace
[20:46] <Quintasan> rgreening: yup
[20:47] <rgreening> shtylman: they are uploaded/built. so yes, if you see them in the arc/repo do so.
[20:47] <rgreening> Quintasan: cool. If/when you apply for kubuntu member +1 from me :)
[20:47] <shtylman> k, will do
[20:47] <Quintasan> rgreening: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=123410440808173&w=2
[20:47] <Quintasan> rgreening: this propably will work :3
[20:48] <rgreening> cool. testbuild and let me know :)
[20:49] <rgreening> do you need some assistance with figuring out that part Quintasan, or are you good to go?
[20:51] <Quintasan> rgreening: the patch he posted doesnt looks like diff and I'm not sure how to put it
[20:53] <DaSkreech> I've had quickaccess crash plasma but just once and I blame the knotify
[20:57] <Quintasan> rgreening: this is diff from rev 923291 to 923292 right?
[20:58] <Quintasan> nvm, got diff :3
[20:58] <rgreening> Quintasan: cool.
[20:58] <rgreening> Quintasan: email roderick.greening AT gmail.com whne you have a patch for me.
[20:59] <rgreening> Quintasan: you migh also want to check and see if you can find any others in workspace that may need backporting so we do it in one shot.
[20:59] <rgreening> it would be appreciated.
[21:00] <rgreening> I'll be back in an hour or so.. gotta shovel some snow.
[21:03] <DaSkreech> Snow? what's that
[21:03] <Quintasan> lol
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> ugh, network problems ftl
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.5 is quite snappy
[21:18]  * DaSkreech tries to figure out if those two statements should be tied togetehr
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> The fonts look nicer. The subpixel hinting actually works
[21:24] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Should I add something to changelog? I see only you, Riddell and apachelogger there :D
[21:25] <Quintasan> oh crap, rgreening asked me to fix quicklaunch :P
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> I assume you have a gpg key and all that good stuff?
[21:28] <Quintasan> yes
[21:28] <DaSkreech> hi hunger
[21:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Could you check my packages on REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/u/quintasan
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Sure. You'll probably need a Feature Freeze exception if you want them in Jaunty, though
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, there's two flickr widgets on kde-look
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> how annoying
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> We already have one of them packaged
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> I could revu them but without a Feature Freeze exception I couldn't really do anything else
[21:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: oh, that flickr is the "wasted effort", I did it while there was a plasmoid to plasma-widget rename :P
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> aah
[21:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmm... About the logo overlapping the ``home'', Is this a new problem (aka, did someone change the theme?) I'll increase the min-width and start poking the sysadmins with the fix...
[21:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Ok, I'm just doing it for pratice, I can always put it in my PPA :P
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> there's an interesting 1-pixel gap on the right side of my panel
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> an a 1 pixel line gap in the task manager items when hovered
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> I think it's a known upstream issue though
[21:44] <ScottK> ryanakca: You around?  It looks like we'll finally get Kubuntu 8.04.2 out the door later today and we'll need an announcement on the web site.
[21:45] <ryanakca> ScottK: Sure, is it already drafted up?
[21:45] <ScottK> ryanakca: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Kubuntu/ReleaseAnnouncement.2 should get copied onto the web site somwhere.
[21:46] <ScottK> The we need a couple of sentences and a link on the news item.
[21:46] <ryanakca> ScottK: Okies
[21:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[21:49] <ScottK> Prnt Scrn started bringing up Ksnapshot.  I wonder if I got that with 4.1.4 (Haven't tried it recently).
[21:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: I needed to set it up manually since it didnt work by default in alpha 4
[21:56] <Quintasan> aarrgh
[21:56] <Quintasan> I hate flash
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Awesome! Pure Qt apps now use KDE's color scheme
[22:01] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: with qt 4.5?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[22:04] <Quintasan> workspace takes so long to build
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Karmic Koala? lulz
[22:08] <hunger> Hey, kde 4.2 is starting to tickle into intrepid!
[22:09] <Sput> hm, my Qt apps have always used the KDE color scheme
[22:09] <shtylman> ...so the koala believes in karma??
[22:15] <Quintasan> hmm anyone using gnash?
[22:38] <Quintasan> Whats those bars in irssi (using ubuntu-dark) :P
[23:25] <torkiano> Quintasan: here one
[23:26] <torkiano> Quintasan: works well for a lot of sites
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> Arora is pretty good with Qt 4.5
[23:43] <picatchu> Hi all! Anyone experienced khotkeys problems lately? Mine are no longer working after some upgrades today (intrepid).
[23:51] <ryanakca> Riddell, Nightrose: got rid of the discover.kde.org link.
[23:51] <Nightrose> thx ryanakca :)
[23:53] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: stop flooding my inbox!!!
[23:53] <Nightrose> :P
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> heh, kdepim?
[23:53] <Nightrose> jep jep
[23:53] <Nightrose> kubotu: order cookies for JontheEchidna
[23:53]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> ^_^