=== firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [00:25] hmmm is there anything known why /dev/dsp isnt working on intreoid kde4.2 intel hda OB SK [00:26] my games claim no /dev/dsp available [00:26] but this worked a time ago very well [00:26] all oss thingies are installed and loaded [00:26] oO [00:48] ~twitter update I'm glad the internet has good blogs to read while I wait for qt compiles. I recommend badscience.net [00:48] status updated [00:50] Riddell: According to doko we need to recompile the python QT stuff now that we've moved from 2.4/2.5 to 2.5/2.6. He promises email tomorrow. [00:51] I can imagine that to be the case [00:51] * ScottK looks at the buildd backlog and despairs.. [00:56] * JontheEchidna links our kdepim bugs to upstream bugs [03:07] !find /usr/bin/ktnefviewer [03:07] File /usr/bin/ktnefviewer found in kdepim-dbg, ktnef [03:08] hmmmm [03:09] Ah, we don't package it anymore [03:15] Isn't it embedded in kdepim now? [03:23] libsdl1.2 is fixed. It was a bad merge, not the fault of our arts eradication campaign. [03:30] will qt4.5 be shipped with jaunty? [03:38] That seems likely at this point. [03:55] since KMail crashes when i try to set my GPG encryption key, how *can* i set it? [03:55] is there a text file somewhere? [04:02] some plasma widgets have drawing issues with the new qt [04:02] with qt 4.5? [04:02] maco: really? [04:02] that's known... that's why kubuntu's shipping 4.4, isn't it? [04:03] * vorian unsets and resets [04:03] 4.4 has a bunch of layout stuff broken so the plasmoids are all hacked to work with it [04:03] think of it as Internet Explorer CSS [04:03] yea...I installed 4.5 from rgreening ppa and layout stuff seems to be ok [04:03] so 4.5 fixes it (think: WebKit) but thus makes it incompatible [04:03] oh..havn't checked webkit stuff yet [04:04] but the folder view plasmoid is broken [04:04] WebKit was the first to pass Acid3 [04:04] nice [04:04] so i'm using it as the example of "standards compliant CSS" v. "Internet Explorer CSS" [04:04] heh [04:04] As I hear it KDE 4.2.1 will have a patch set for Qt4.5 compatibility. [04:04] we shall soon find out [04:04] really? i thought they were just going with 4.3 being the 4.5 compatible one [04:04] to patch 4.2? [04:04] will we get to it in time? [04:05] shtylman: it will be done upstream [04:05] s/will/is being [04:05] 4.2.1 is due out in ~a week or so. [04:05] evenin all, first time here [04:05] march 4th [04:05] hi scott_ev [04:05] o/ scott_ev [04:06] OK, for some large definition of 'or so'. [04:06] ScottK: scott_ev is interesting in helping on the bug-squad [04:06] interested, even [04:06] * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna as he's Mr. Bug. [04:06] JontheEchidna: ^ [04:06] scott_ev: Glad to have you. We definitely need more help. [04:06] I did qa in a MSFT environment a few years ago. [04:06] good [04:06] same mind set applies, sort of [04:07] ScottK: gotcha [04:07] It's a bit different I think. [04:07] will we pull upstream again? [04:07] or just the patch set [04:08] shtylman: We will move to 4.2.1 and probably even 4.2.2 before release. [04:08] thats fast [04:08] scott_ev: The key thing is to get good bug reports so we can either fix our packaging problems or upstream can get them fixed. [04:09] Bugs found now have a decent shot at being in a load we have before release. [04:09] ScottK: how are bugs that go upstream handled? [04:10] JontheEchidna is the expert, but generally you file a bug at bugs.kde.org and then link the b.k.o bug to the LP bug. [04:10] Then we'll see status change on the remote bug watch and know what's up [04:11] Part two of important is making the bug reporters feel like it's worth their time to report stuff. [04:11] ScottK: understood [04:11] That's more of a social problem than a technical one, but very important. [04:11] ScottK: that one seems to work not so well [04:11] :-/ [04:12] maco: Agreed. [04:12] I don't think that in general the Ubuntu bug squad is doing really well about that. [04:12] i think a lot of us triagers ask all the questions we can think of then go "uhh....i don't think that's enough info, but i don't know what else devs need, so i give up" and hope someone else will take over triaging [04:12] I think we do better in Kubuntu with KDE stuff, but there's always room for improvement. [04:13] maco: i cannot reproduce your gpg crash in kmail [04:13] what chanel is the bugs announce running on? [04:13] maco: I see a lot of Can you reproduce this in an current release -> Incomplete. [04:13] That's pretty demotivating I think. [04:13] vorian: i can set the *signing* key [04:13] yea [04:14] vorian: Install seahorse and I expect you can reproduce the hell out of it. [04:14] ah, no way! [04:14] ScottK: i'm not using seahorse agent! [04:14] i'm using gpg-agent [04:14] OK. [04:14] I'm probably going to feel like your system is forever haunted by seahorse. [04:14] but for encryption i click the "choose" button and select my key. not sure if i get to the "OK" button or not, but it crashes before i get back to the screen that shows what keys are currently set and has teh "apply" button [04:15] hahha [04:15] Got backtrace? [04:15] scott_ev: #ubuntu-bugs-announce i think [04:16] ScottK: not yet. i just hit it when kmail went "i refuse to send this email encrypted because your key is not set" [04:16] maco: thx, I was hoping for one specific to Kubuntu [04:16] scott_ev: same bug tracker [04:16] goode [04:16] and the same apps can be run in both [04:16] I have it scrolling right now [04:16] ok, thx [04:16] I think that sometimes the problem for reporting bugs is the time it takes to report the bug [04:17] even with the simple launchpad interface it can be a burden [04:17] lp's nicer than bugzilla, but i often just go upstream rather than boher with waiting for it to be forwarded [04:18] if you know it's upstream, don't bother telling the *buntu folks [04:23] i'm install kmail-dbgsym now [04:32] LOL nice debug output! "KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing..." [04:34] ScottK: halp! [04:35] gdb says "no stack" [04:35] :) [04:35] *:( [04:35] JontheEchidna: ^^^ You around? [04:35] That or maybe vorian has a suggestion on getting a stack trace? [04:37] also: The program has no registers now. [04:38] i have the dbg output from while it ran if that helps. it crashes on an ASSERT [04:39] im guessing that means the assert received a 0 [04:42] Keep in mind the only programming I do is in Python. You almost certainly know better than I do. [04:43] really? [04:43] ok [04:43] well next time i have to look at python, i'm asking you [04:43] that stuff's weird. the brackets are invisible O_O [04:59] Riddell: ping. ? [04:59] shtylman: ping [05:00] JontheEchidna: ping [05:00] rgreening: I think you're closer to him than anyone else who's active at the moment. Run over and wake him up. [05:00] lol. tru dat [05:01] the altantic is a bit cold to swim in this time of year [05:02] ScottK: do you know if Riddell got the Qt build figured out? [05:04] vorian: off topic. are you a freenode staffer? [05:07] Lost my keyboard for a bit there. [05:07] rgreening: No. [05:07] rgreening is further east than me? [05:07] I'm firther east than you. [05:07] i/u [05:08] He's in Newfoundland. Further north too. [05:08] Im in th emost easterly point in north america [05:08] :) [05:08] And location of the oldest city in north america [05:08] North America/island pretending to be part of North America. [05:08] and location of the first wireless transatlantic signal :) [05:08] ;-) [05:09] Yeah, well we were our own country once too. [05:09] :P [05:09] ah ok [05:09] republic of newfoundand! [05:09] woo-hoo [05:09] ScottK: i always forget baltimore is northeast. [05:10] in my head, it's near Frederick [05:10] Yeah. [05:10] I always think I95 runs north/south, but it really doesn't. [06:21] *yawn* === DeadNight is now known as DreadKnight [07:50] rgreening: +1 on that ;) === \sh_ is now known as \sh [09:55] hmmm there is a lot of gnome stuff to be installed on my intrepid system in updates today [09:55] anyone got an idea what this is about? [09:56] they're infecting you! [09:56] :P [09:57] gnomemount and libgnomeprintutil to name two [10:05] Nightrose: aptitude why gnomemount [10:05] ? [10:06] i mugshot Depends libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90) [10:06] i A libgnomevfs2-0 Recommends gnome-mount [10:08] ok so its because you have mugshot installed [10:08] but there is no upgrade of mugshot available [10:09] so i don't understand why i get all those new packages it wants me to install [10:09] i'll investigate some more [10:37] NCommander: please rescore https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1/+build/871126 [10:38] What, you don't like it -5000 build score :-)? [10:38] * NCommander did that so the Jaunty builds would take presence during feature freeze. [10:39] rescored. [11:28] hi jploh [11:28] hello [11:28] i'm new to python and kde. i've been trying to poke around with KNotification. it seems that i still need to create an instance of QApplication [11:28] my code is here http://pastebin.com/m7dc1a14a and i also made an app.notifyrc [11:28] maybe someone here can point me to the right direction [11:31] jploh: yes, you always need a KApplication [11:31] and a mainloop exec_() [11:31] else it won't do anything [11:31] here's a notification example [11:31] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier.py [11:31] thanks! [11:31] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/notifier.notifyrc [11:31] great! [11:32] you need to put the .notifyrc file in /usr/share/kde4/apps/notifier [11:32] i was thinking of using wx, i guess i should use qt completely? [11:32] and killall knotify4; knotify4 to restart it [11:32] jploh: to use knotify you have to use KDE [11:32] yes, i'm using kde now. [11:33] you can also use just qt but then you're limited to qsystemtrayicon.message() or making your own popup widget [11:33] got it. thanks a million [11:43] Riddell: k3b svn seems to stabilize a bit... not that many updates now [11:43] Riddell: I'll probably come out with a package today or tomorrow so that we can test [11:43] and "hi all", of course :) [11:46] ehlo :) [12:37] good morning ninjas! [12:39] morning ninja! [12:39] ;-) [12:45] do ninjas do group hugs? [12:45] of course [12:45] but only in secret [12:45] behind closed doors [12:47] not much of a group hug if only three people are awake :) [12:48] of course they happen to be my two favorite ninjas.. [12:48] more than 2 -> group [12:48] definitely a group hug [12:48] 2 could, 3 crowd, 4 group? [12:48] * Nightrose hugs seele and Riddell [12:48] yay! [13:02] ryanakca: the kubuntu website seems to have a "Home" link which overlaps with the kubuntu logo in the top left now [13:03] Riddell: did qt build work after [13:05] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.0~+rc1-0ubuntu1 "Currently building" [13:07] NCommander: can you rescore kdepimlibs next? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/870548 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/870550 [13:08] is there anything we want to see different on the CD sleaves this time round? muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Kubuntu - 9.04 CD copy.odt [13:14] Riddell: "the very best translations..."... lets hope so this time round... [13:16] I would propose we don't promise that until we have some evidence it can be delivered. [13:16] Riddell: RAM requirements should be looked at again. KDE4 and 256 is really on the low side of "bare" minimum. Not sure what KDE team specs out for KDE4, but I know it runs reasonably ok on 384... [13:17] Riddell: I have another who had a high end system, but it installed the free vid drivers and 512 Meg or RAM and no vid card accel, its a dog. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [13:23] kmail keeps losing or changing default settings on me....!!!!! [13:23] I use classic view, yet it just changed to fancy... [13:24] kmail is behaving strange indeed [13:28] rgreening: what free drivers ? radeon hd or nvidia os [13:29] ghostcube: well, the radeon one actually didn't work at one point due to an apparant ABI mismatch so 3d accel didnt work. That appears fixed now :) [13:29] ah ok thx :) [13:30] anything new about th nvidia OS ones ? i havent tested them till now [13:30] rgreening: pong [13:31] gnop [13:32] need something? You pinged like 3 people :P [13:32] lol. Not anymore. THat was yesterday :) hahaha [13:46] rgreening: how goes the compilation and packaging front? [13:47] Riddell: JontheEchidna: do you know if discover.kde.org is linked to from any kubuntu website? i had a confused user send me an email and he said it was some kubuntu site that sent him there [13:47] I don't think we do... discover.kde.org isn't even finished [13:47] right [13:48] I am working on it ;-) [13:48] it is currently only showing a naked drupal install [13:48] ;-) [13:48] ok if you see it somewhere let me know [13:48] the user doesn't seem too clueful so it might just be some random site on the net [13:49] Nightrose: looks like we do http://www.kubuntu.org/tour [13:50] shtylman: Riddell has uploaded Qt for build/release. Should be ready in an hour or so... [13:50] Riddell: ah ok - might be a good idea to remove that for now as it only shows a empty drupal install [13:50] i hope we have it sorted in a week or two [13:51] rgreening: is that to his ppa? or the main repo? and what about the needed kde rebuild? or patch set? [13:51] shtylman: thats in main [13:51] rgreening: cool [13:51] shtylman: I'm going to upload kdebase-workspace again. [13:51] Riddell: maybe link to the visual guide instead? [13:52] I also patched in our bzr and Riddell can release a new kdebase-workspace at anytime to fix the crashing of kdmgreet cased in qt 4.5.0. [13:53] * Riddell takes the hint and looks at kdebase-workspace [13:53] ryanakca: ^^ [13:54] :) [13:54] Im a persistant bugger sometimes [13:54] heh [13:55] so, shtylman, there you have it. A couple of hours of build and we are good to go. Quintasan, as well will be able to update :) [13:56] ty Riddell :) [13:56] hang on it hasn't built yet [13:56] could still all blow up [13:57] rgreening: excellent ... Riddell: don't be negative :) [13:58] Riddell: well, the workspace fix is required at any rate. So that can happen. I have Qt 4.5.0 built here on amd64 with the exact same one I uploaded, so amd64 will build :) [13:58] which should mean i386 as well [13:58] oh, we are getting qt 4.5! [13:58] rgreening: great work! [13:59] yus [13:59] np. [13:59] I has some help from fabo too (ty fabo) [14:00] Riddell: I expect some of the hppa and sparc failure will be easily sortable. [14:01] ScottK: ^ is the ports expert :P [14:14] hmm.. i think i got too much sleep last night. [14:14] i read today's launchpad interview and immediately thought "so *he's* the one to blame for launchpad?" [14:14] hehe [14:15] urgh [14:20] Riddell: I ran through an install front to back last night just to make sure it worked and try some of the features. Everything installed and autologin was sucessful [14:21] shtylman: excellent! [14:22] freeflying: shouldn't baidu be included with the KDE search providors? [14:30] is ubuntu using clutter for anything in jaunty? [14:36] netbook-launcher is on hte netbook remix [14:48] Riddell: Pitti approved another SRU of mine in one bug, but the debdiff I attached also fixes another bug. (which has all the good SRU stuff too) Did his first confirmation also count as an ACK for the second bug or will I need to get a separate approval of the other bug before the fix can be uploaded to proposed? [14:50] JontheEchidna: what's the bug number? [14:52] bug 314016 and bug 330446 is the other one [14:52] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/314016/+text) [14:52] Launchpad bug 330446 in kde4libs "Memory leak in kcatalog.cpp" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330446 [14:52] the debdiff is attached to the first one [14:55] JontheEchidna: one of those bugs is for kdesdk the other for kde4libs, how can one patch fix both? === jjesse-jaunty is now known as jjesse [15:00] re [15:01] anyone know how far the evtouch driver for touch screens is progressed, and it it's usable in ubuntu? [15:01] the information on its homepage is rather thin [15:01] doesn not list what models are supported, etc [15:02] http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/evtouch.html [15:02] someone told me that ubuntu is working on this driver, not sure how valid that is [15:05] markey: best to ask one of the X types (bryce, tjaalton, tseliot) [15:06] ok [15:08] * markey currently got General Touch screen that he needs to get working on kubuntu, but only a driver that was made for SUSE, or the the evtouch driver as an alternative [15:08] whatever works [15:08] General Touch is the company, from china [15:09] the SUSE driver even kinda works, minus some calibration issues [15:09] calibrating the thing is hard [15:10] Riddell: it should be :) [15:15] Riddell: oops, I uploaded the wrong source package [15:15] * JontheEchidna will take care of it after he gets back [15:26] "jaunty lpia Successfully built (NEW)" [15:26] rgreening: qt4-x11 success! [15:26] :) [15:27] yay. so, Riddell, now we need the kdebindings patch for smoke and then all of KDE should be able to be rebuilt on Qt 4.5.0 [15:28] rgreening: I put that in bzr [15:28] but I havn't compiled it or uploaded it since there's the python issue [15:28] cool. so, I gues that can/should be promoted [15:28] oh. [15:28] I'll get the bzr branch and have a look. what issue did you see/find [15:31] Riddell: is the python issue in kdebindings or due to a new python? or something else? [15:34] both I expect [15:34] I didn't see any issue, others were talking about it yesterday [15:35] Riddell: we should consider this kde bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169772 [15:35] it probably needs python-qt4 looked at first [15:35] KDE bug 169772 in general "KDM oxygen default theme "scale" error" [Normal,New] [15:35] Riddell: ^ I have this issue on two of my systems. Acer One and Aspire 6930. [15:36] Riddell: I'll look at rebuilding python-qt, and then kdebindings. I'll upload to my PPA. [15:37] Riddell: this is LP bug 259181 [15:37] Launchpad bug 259181 in kdebase "KDM background image not displayed correctly on low resolution display" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259181 [15:38] rgreening: grep this for python http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/19/%23kubuntu-devel.html [15:38] ok. [15:38] what do you think about the bug above Riddell [15:38] I'm all for having it fixed [15:39] rgreening: if you see the problem you're probably best placed to confirm the fix though [15:40] bug 259181 is the same bug [15:40] Launchpad bug 259181 in kdebase "KDM background image not displayed correctly on low resolution display" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259181 [15:40] heh, I love comment 13 [15:41] I can test/apply the fix. THe issue is that on 4/3 its stretched the other way, but its less ugly than seeing screen corruption [15:41] Riddell: bug 314016 now has the correct source package attached [15:41] Launchpad bug 314016 in kde4libs "Kate is useless for editing code which contains hebrew or arabic" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314016 [15:42] JontheEchidna: "Yes" [15:42] lol [15:42] Exactly :P [15:45] I wonder what sort of activity Kubuntu packages will see for the bugjam [15:46] brb. rb testing kdmgreet === k4v is now known as m4v [15:50] JontheEchidna: a debdiff is usually easier to read than attaching the .diff.gz [16:04] Riddell, JontheEchidna: setting to 100%x100% works on my Aspire WS. Will test on a 4x3 display now too. [16:36] rgreening: going to put the patch into bzr? [16:37] fabo: did you see what I did with phonon and qt 4.5? [17:01] Riddell: for kdebase-workspace (kdmgreet)? sure. I'm just ensuring there isn't a better way to do this first. [17:04] is qt 4.5 out? [17:08] cbr: ask Qt? [17:16] rgreening: It didn't worked :< [17:17] NCommander: please pimp up build score https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 [17:18] Riddell: Have I poked you about my package in REVU? [17:18] Quintasan: I don't believe you have [17:19] Riddell: poke, I think I've fixed it [17:22] Quintasan: what package? what URL? [17:23] Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widger-klicker [17:27] humph, HTML5 video works but only using the phonon gstreamer backend [17:31] meh, gstreamer is the sucky backend too [17:33] Riddell: can we setup phonon prefs to use gstreamer for that only and xine by default for everything else? [17:38] I doubt it [17:39] too bad. [17:39] Quintasan: advocated! [17:40] Good to hear, thanks :3 [17:42] Riddell: no, i didn't see your changes for phonon/Qt. I'll look. [17:44] fabo: I made it use -phonon and -no-phonon-backend and then removed the libphonon before the packaging happens [17:44] fabo: that seems to be the only way to get it to build and using the system phonon [17:45] karmic koala huh? [17:45] i didnt know there were koalas in india or buddists in australia [17:45] :D [17:47] ooh that got announced did it? [17:51] it did [17:51] as did UDS [17:51] looks like they dropped the brainstorm idea for UDS applicants [17:52] Riddell: can you test Lancelot menu under Qt4.5? Applications aren't showing up for me. [17:53] why does Karmic Koala make me want to breat out into a Boy George song... [17:54] Kar-ma Kar-ma Ko-a-la-a, she comes and goes.... [17:55] it reminds me of a karmacoma from massive attack [17:55] rgreening: you didn't just do that did you? :p [17:56] yup [17:56] now I cant get it out of my head [17:56] ya, I hope I don't start singing that now [17:57] rgreening: I can't see them also [17:58] (Applications in Lancelot) [17:58] Riddell: we'll have to go over the plasma applets. see what is broken. and backport fixes. [18:01] rgreening: Lancelot is fixed in trunk (I think) [18:01] rgreening: I also installed all applets available in repos and they worked for me [18:01] Quintasan: care to make a diff/patch and test it out? [18:01] rgreening: dunno if I can do it [18:01] lol [18:02] :) [18:02] but I'll try :P [18:02] JontheEchidna: ^^ [18:02] maybe JontheEchidnacan help [18:03] shouldn't be too hard to do as long as we can find the actual patch [18:14] rgreening: Before a kdebindings upload is going to work there's underlying python stuff that needs rebuilt. [18:16] !9.04 [18:16] Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [18:16] crap, wrong place. [18:20] ugh.. what an unproductive day. i havent managed to get any work, homework, reading, or open source stuff done [18:22] seele: call it a "rest" :D [18:22] I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it wasn't very restful either. [18:23] hmm can we use patches from gentoo? [18:24] If they are appropriately licensed [18:24] Generally I doubt that's a problem. [18:26] Hmm I've also found patches for kdm to fix the crash with Qt 4.5 [18:27] JontheEchidna: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/kde-base/kdeplasma-addons/files/lancelot-qt45.patch?view=markup [18:27] yeah.. not very relaxing when you try to get stuff done and you dont [18:27] Did I miss the karmic talk already? [18:27] the patch was most likely pulled from trunk anyway, I doubt there'd be any problems [18:29] also, hwoarang can be found in #gentoo-kde if there are questions :) [18:30] JontheEchidna: ScottK says to talk to you regarding bugs [18:30] because he doesn't know C++ [18:31] I'm no C++ expert either :P [18:32] I do know a bit about bugs though [18:32] kmail crashes when i try to set my encryption key. gdb says "no stack" [18:32] right before it says "KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing... [18:32] strange [18:32] there's an assert and signal 6 (which kill -l says means abort) [18:32] davidbarth: ping [18:33]