| joshjtl | who in gods name decides on ubuntu artwork... they should stop | 00:12 |
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| joshjtl | default art is supposed to be widely acceptable, it never has been on ubuntu | 00:13 |
| _MMA_ | Please take your trolling elsewhere. | 00:14 |
| joshjtl | _MMA_: I'm just stating my opinion... thats not trolling | 00:14 |
| joshjtl | If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry | 00:14 |
| joshjtl | trolling... sheesh | 00:15 |
| _MMA_ | What reaction do you expect? New person in a channel that says that. Thin next time. | 00:15 |
| _MMA_ | *Think | 00:15 |
| joshjtl | uh what do you want me to say.., "I love ubuntu artwork" If I dont feel it!!??? | 00:16 |
| joshjtl | think next time, dont feel | 00:16 |
| joshjtl | pussy | 00:16 |
| joshjtl | fuck you | 00:16 |
| _MMA_ | hahaha. And I'm the puss. :P | 00:16 |
| tretle | :) | 00:37 |
| tretle | out of curiosity who actually decides? | 00:37 |
| _MMA_ | Canonical | 00:38 |
| === islington is now known as SealV | ||
| SealV | http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235095736.png | 02:10 |
| _MMA_ | SealV: Not bad. :) | 02:11 |
| SealV | thanks | 02:14 |
| MRIguy | Anyone awake still? | 02:34 |
| SealV | yes | 02:34 |
| MRIguy | I jumped onto the wiki and took a look at the artwork section | 02:35 |
| MRIguy | interesting points of view | 02:35 |
| MRIguy | Since I am new to this channel, any themers on board? | 02:36 |
| SealV | I believe Cimi is developing the murrine engine... | 02:37 |
| MRIguy | murrine engine... I saw some artwork based on that during my wiki hunt | 02:37 |
| MRIguy | IS there more info on the engine? | 02:38 |
| SealV | http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/project/murrine | 02:39 |
| * MRIguy looking | 02:39 | |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: Also join the mailing list to get up to speed on the active projects. | 02:39 |
| Cimi | SealV: clearlooks too | 02:43 |
| SealV | :o | 02:43 |
| Cimi | i'm the maintainer of gtk-engines and gnome-themes-extrrsa | 02:43 |
| Cimi | for gnome | 02:43 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: You want another gold star? :P | 02:43 |
| SealV | lol | 02:43 |
| _MMA_ | hehehe | 02:44 |
| SealV | Cimi: a good tutorial/guide for pizbuf/pixmap engine? | 02:44 |
| SealV | *pixbuf | 02:44 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: yeah | 02:45 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: if you have some idea... | 02:45 |
| Cimi | sq | 02:45 |
| Cimi | SealV: no, you should not use the pixbuf engine | 02:46 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Because...? | 02:46 |
| SealV | no other way, I want to try to make a better 'wood ' theme | 02:46 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: a lot of minor reasons | 02:47 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Please don't say speed. | 02:47 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: you already said :) | 02:47 |
| SealV | regardless, can any other engine handle textures? | 02:47 |
| Cimi | SealV: experience and css | 02:48 |
| SealV | and out of those which do you recommend | 02:48 |
| Cimi | pixbuf | 02:48 |
| Cimi | or experience | 02:48 |
| Cimi | maybe pixbuf | 02:49 |
| SealV | =__= | 02:49 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: The speed issue is a myth perpetrated by nerds arguing over nanoseconds *years* ago. Any speed arguments are completely useless on modern HW. | 02:49 |
| _MMA_ | So any issues /other/ than speed I'd like to hear about. | 02:49 |
| SealV | how about 0 useful documentation | 02:50 |
| _MMA_ | +1 there. | 02:50 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi has been a perfect example of great documentation. ;) | 02:50 |
| MRIguy | _MMA_: I'm currently on a business trip in New York area. I'll look into the mailing list when I get back next week. | 02:51 |
| MRIguy | pixmap? | 02:51 |
| MRIguy | pixbuf? | 02:51 |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: That would be great. Are you an artist of any sort? Portfolio? | 02:51 |
| MRIguy | Hang on: Some URLs | 02:51 |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: They are the engines behind themes you see on GNOME. | 02:52 |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: So you install a "engine" on your Linux box and code for that particular one. There are only a couple major ones. | 02:53 |
| MRIguy | One of my more recent themes - | 02:55 |
| MRIguy | http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/darkside/ | 02:55 |
| MRIguy | http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/explorergtk/ | 02:57 |
| MRIguy | I rendered the background pics for both themes | 02:57 |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: Huh? Wait. You have made GNOME themes but don't know what pixmap is? | 02:57 |
| MRIguy | Pixmap is the common denominator in Linux distros | 02:58 |
| MRIguy | I know what a engine is.. I was just pulling your leg. | 02:58 |
| MRIguy | Distros which use Gnome | 02:59 |
| _MMA_ | MRIguy: You have no clue the folks we get in here. SO for someone new to come in and ask is not uncommon. | 02:59 |
| MRIguy | I understand. | 02:59 |
| MRIguy | I have themes for KDE and Window Maker as well | 03:00 |
| MRIguy | Been doing themes since KDE 2.0 | 03:00 |
| MRIguy | I recently branched into Metacity/GTK | 03:01 |
| SealV | :( I had to google cimi's site ya know...anyways..welcome | 03:01 |
| MRIguy | I post my works on freshmeat.net | 03:01 |
| MRIguy | Want some background which I did? | 03:02 |
| _MMA_ | Well I gotta run. MRIguy: See ya on the mailing list. | 03:02 |
| MRIguy | background images, that is | 03:02 |
| MRIguy | _MMA_ : Good luck | 03:02 |
| MRIguy | Is murrine going to make it into the Gnome world? What I mean is : will we see it distributed along side pixmap and clearlook? | 03:05 |
| MRIguy | Everyone have a nice evening. Bye Bye. | 03:07 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: speed is an issue like others (expecially on the new netbooks or mobile devices) but it's not the main one. with those engine you lose a lot of configurability, inheritance between widgets, color adjustment and whatever makes your theme consisent. with a pixmap theme you'll never reach a theme perfect overll, those themes are good for simple alternatives, but are not suitable for a default | 03:13 |
| Cimi | anyway I'm tired, going to bed | 03:15 |
| Cimi | night SealV | 03:15 |
| SealV | night cimi | 03:18 |
| === tretle_ is now known as tretle | ||
| * tretle thinks that the ubuntu icon theme should be replaced with a mofified version of gnome-colors | 08:57 | |
| tretle | the human variant that is | 08:57 |
| ziroday | tretle: have you seen breathe, its very nice. | 08:59 |
| tretle | don't personally like it | 08:59 |
| tretle | think the icons need to be brighter | 09:00 |
| tretle | Quite like the mango icon theme though, which is of similar spec to breath and oxegen except nice and bright | 09:01 |
| tretle | Hate the current icon theme | 09:01 |
| tretle | yet nothing seems to change release to release | 09:01 |
| ziroday | tretle: can't seem to find the mango icon theme, link? | 09:04 |
| tretle | http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG | 09:05 |
| ziroday | tretle: thanks | 09:05 |
| tretle | np | 09:05 |
| ziroday | tretle: ah I've seen those before, but they're not in the PD | 09:06 |
| tretle | pd? | 09:07 |
| savvas | cool notifications!! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1909/mootu0.png | 12:09 |
| ziroday | savvas: mine aren't starting :( | 12:12 |
| _MMA_ | savvas: Depends on what "cool" refers to for me. /Looks/ sure. As far as a consistent and bug-free replacement for what's there, no. | 12:13 |
| savvas | ziroday: right click on rhythmbox, check "show notifications" and switch your song | 12:13 |
| savvas | ziroday: it's for jaunty by the way :) | 12:13 |
| ziroday | savvas: yep, got it now :) | 12:14 |
| savvas | _MMA_: so far I've noticed it on rhythmbox and apport, but.. have you seen any bugs? | 12:16 |
| ziroday | volume doesn't work | 12:17 |
| _MMA_ | ziroday: Switch to the Human theme. | 12:17 |
| _MMA_ | ziroday: But that should be fixed soon. | 12:18 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: there is no high color fallback? | 12:18 |
| _MMA_ | No | 12:18 |
| ziroday | wha..? | 12:18 |
| ziroday | wouldn't that be sensible | 12:18 |
| _MMA_ | The icons were mistakenly put in the Human theme. | 12:18 |
| ziroday | hmph | 12:19 |
| _MMA_ | Filed a bug. Already fixed. Just wait for the update. | 12:19 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: ah great :) | 12:19 |
| * ziroday sends a sixpack to _MMA_ | 12:19 | |
| _MMA_ | I think it should get moved to hicolor but it's getting moved to gnome. | 12:20 |
| ziroday | as long as their is a fall back | 12:20 |
| ziroday | hmm it doesn't play nice with banshee either | 12:21 |
| _MMA_ | savvas: I get oddness with mail-notification for one. Where in addition to the pop-up I get a metacity framed window. There's still work to be done for Jaunty on it I'm told. I still might remove it from Studio as it's just bling and I think I wanna give it a cycle to mature. | 12:22 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: and it is broken without compiz | 12:23 |
| _MMA_ | +1 | 12:23 |
| ziroday | then whats the fallback if compiz isn't running? | 12:24 |
| Cimi | yeah | 12:24 |
| Cimi | but it is absolutely UGLY | 12:24 |
| ziroday | right | 12:24 |
| Cimi | try to hover it | 12:24 |
| Cimi | you'll have strange effects | 12:24 |
| Cimi | notifications looks better with the old notification-daemon | 12:25 |
| Cimi | when no compiz is running | 12:25 |
| ziroday | at least its easy to remove | 12:25 |
| _MMA_ | For me, when I hover it disappears except for a outline of the dialog. | 12:25 |
| Cimi | yeah | 12:25 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: this is not so bling | 12:25 |
| Cimi | but there's no solution | 12:25 |
| Cimi | without compiz you don't have the alpha channel and you must do totally black or totally transparent | 12:26 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Like I said, there's still ongoing work. This just hit so judge it harshly when they actually release Jaunty. ;) | 12:26 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: the thing could improve for compiz/metacity with composite | 12:27 |
| Cimi | but will never be fixed for non-composited screens | 12:27 |
| Cimi | because there's no solution | 12:27 |
| Cimi | so, it will be broken or ugly or whateve you call it | 12:27 |
| ziroday | Cimi: but nearly all the new cards nowadays support compositing | 12:28 |
| Cimi | all | 12:29 |
| Cimi | metacity compositing doesn't require a video card | 12:29 |
| Cimi | it works with the CPU if the card doesn't support it | 12:29 |
| ziroday | Cimi: but isn't that seriously slow? | 12:29 |
| Cimi | but personally I don't like to enable those transparencies | 12:29 |
| Cimi | ziroday: depends on the cpu | 12:29 |
| Cimi | anyway | 12:30 |
| ziroday | Cimi: right | 12:30 |
| Cimi | I'm not using it on the netbook | 12:30 |
| Cimi | compiz drains my battery | 12:30 |
| _MMA_ | ziroday: Yes. This is what I talk about often. On alot of levels we can't continue to think about the lowest common denominator. | 12:30 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: definitely, in a lot of ways its better to look into the future then stay in the past :). If that past gets a slightlier buggier version then salavi. They can easily remove the new notifications if they want | 12:31 |
| _MMA_ | Agreed. | 12:32 |
| Cimi | compiz is full of issues | 12:33 |
| Cimi | should not be used imho | 12:33 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: also great work on breathe, absolutely love it | 12:33 |
| _MMA_ | Actually, I think it would be best to have a switch somewhere to turn 'em off. | 12:33 |
| Cimi | try to open gimp | 12:33 |
| Cimi | or totem | 12:33 |
| Cimi | or firefox at fullscreen | 12:33 |
| _MMA_ | ziroday: Thanx. It's coming along. | 12:33 |
| Cimi | it's full of issues | 12:33 |
| Cimi | I really hope in mutter | 12:33 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: I was under the impression that the Pop-up Notifications settings in Admin > Preferences was meant to have that | 12:34 |
| _MMA_ | ziroday: I just lost that dialog so I assumed it was for the old system. I'll look again. | 12:34 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: open powertop and see how compiz drains your battery | 12:35 |
| ziroday | _MMA_: well that would be the intelligent place to put it from my point of view | 12:35 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Nothing that make apps unusable though. Just annoying. I am very happy to see that they are finally pulling things together and getting all these forks stopped. | 12:35 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: compiz is dead | 12:36 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Though an obvious major use-case, I don't use laptops that aren't plugged in. | 12:36 |
| ziroday | Cimi: I think the new compiz++ efforts as well as hard coding some options and eventually phasing out ccsm is a great leap forwards | 12:36 |
| ziroday | err take an s of forwards | 12:36 |
| Cimi | ziroday: words words words | 12:36 |
| ziroday | Cimi: but those goals are reachable, easily reachable in fact. | 12:36 |
| Cimi | I would be excited to see that compiz will not dead | 12:36 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: You make alot of blanket statements like that without qualifying them. | 12:37 |
| Cimi | but at the moment compiz is a dead project | 12:37 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: when davidr started workin on the other project | 12:37 |
| ziroday | Cimi: plus compiz++ development has already started, around 40% of the core has been re-written | 12:37 |
| Cimi | compiz development was confusing | 12:37 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Lets go into #compiz and watch you defend that statement. | 12:37 |
| ziroday | Cimi: and compiz++ will mean all the plugins have to be ported, alot of the dodgier ones will be dropped | 12:38 |
| Cimi | it's like going in #ubuntu-artwork saying orange/brown it's a bad colorscheme | 12:38 |
| _MMA_ | Like I said, they are pulling the forks in under Compiz. The project is far feom dead. | 12:38 |
| _MMA_ | *from | 12:38 |
| Cimi | I'm not blaming the colorscheme here | 12:38 |
| ziroday | Cimi: as well as an awful lot of settings hardcoded, eventually ccsm will die | 12:38 |
| Cimi | wait for mutter | 12:38 |
| Cimi | people will use mutter not compiz | 12:39 |
| Cimi | compiz is about to dead in my opinion | 12:39 |
| _MMA_ | We'll see. :) | 12:39 |
| Cimi | yeha it's only a feeling | 12:39 |
| ziroday | and quinn said she might come back to kick it back alive again | 12:39 |
| Cimi | rewriting in c++ is not a solution | 12:39 |
| Cimi | I really hope not | 12:40 |
| Cimi | beryl was a chaotic window manager | 12:40 |
| Cimi | full of dirty effects | 12:40 |
| _MMA_ | IMO, the solution needs to come from GNOME or get pulled into GNOME. That would kill anything else. Like KDE did. | 12:41 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: there's mutter | 12:41 |
| Cimi | compiz is about to die | 12:41 |
| Cimi | kwin works better | 12:41 |
| Cimi | and mutter, even slower and without the amount of effects that compiz has | 12:42 |
| Cimi | will be my choice for usability and stability | 12:42 |
| Cimi | I'm tired of gimp issues, kde applications (they all start without window borders!!!) and similar problems | 12:42 |
| Cimi | compiz doesn't remember the position of the windows (nautilus) | 12:43 |
| _MMA_ | Never seen that. Honestly. | 12:43 |
| Cimi | I don't want the flames when I close the window with all those issues | 12:43 |
| _MMA_ | That isn't on by default come on. But it's fun to have. | 12:43 |
| Cimi | first fix the issue and make it stable as metacity, with the freedesktop compliance | 12:43 |
| Cimi | and THEN it will be a good choice | 12:44 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: yeah it could be fun, but before the fun comes the compatibility | 12:44 |
| Cimi | and compiz is full of issues | 12:44 |
| Cimi | because the developers are more interested in effects than in fixing bugs | 12:45 |
| Cimi | at least that's what we said | 12:45 |
| Cimi | a fork | 12:45 |
| Cimi | why the hell we should rewrite an entire project in c++?? | 12:45 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: I'm sorry man but atm you sound like the minority. If *everyone* or even the majority of people had these issues all the major distros would not be shipping Compiz. | 12:45 |
| Cimi | distro ship compiz because the newbies need for the "wow" aero-like impression | 12:46 |
| Cimi | compiz moved a lot of windows users to linux/ubuntu | 12:47 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: And ranting here, isn't gonna fix it. Man. I know Italians are "passionate" but there's way more important stuff to get worked up about. :P | 12:47 |
| Cimi | yeah, like fixing compiz issues | 12:47 |
| Cimi | and freedesktop compliancy | 12:47 |
| _MMA_ | hahahha | 12:47 |
| _MMA_ | No. | 12:48 |
| _MMA_ | Like *real life* issues. ;) | 12:48 |
| andreasn | don't composited metacity pretty much do the same as compiz by default on ubuntu? | 12:48 |
| _MMA_ | Compiz being FreeDesktop compliant won't find me a job. | 12:48 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: ubuntu won't find you a job | 12:49 |
| Cimi | or a woman | 12:49 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Exactly. So why get worked up about it like you are? :) | 12:49 |
| Cimi | andreasn: pretty much the same | 12:49 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: cause I'm seeing my girlfriend in two hours | 12:50 |
| Cimi | now I don't have too much to do :) | 12:50 |
| Cimi | and I've already seen the simpsons episode on the tv | 12:50 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Still, not worth it. ;) | 12:50 |
| kwwii | andreasn: hey, I was looking for you yesterday :) | 12:50 |
| kwwii | andreasn: I guess you saw the notification stuff? | 12:51 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: At least you don't use lots of punctuation!!!!????? | 12:51 |
| Cimi | kwwii: please pull the notify-osd icons inside hicolor | 12:51 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Or maybe you save that for other channels. :P | 12:51 |
| andreasn | kwwii, yes, I read through the document briefly, but I haven't tried it out | 12:52 |
| kwwii | andreasn: well, as far as the icons go it is basically like this: | 12:52 |
| kwwii | we have the ubuntu icons in the human theme | 12:52 |
| kwwii | and I picked a bunch of gnome icons and put them directly in the pacakge | 12:52 |
| kwwii | that is not the long term solution, naturally | 12:53 |
| kwwii | but it does allow for people to choose another theme and still have icons | 12:53 |
| Cimi | kwwii: hicolor | 12:53 |
| Cimi | put them inside hicolor | 12:53 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: But as everything falls back to hicolor that would be best. It's why I mentioned it in the bug report. | 12:53 |
| Cimi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/331849 | 12:55 |
| Cimi | ? | 12:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331849 in notify-osd "Notify-osd icons should be installed for hicolor" [Undecided,New] | 12:55 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: No. I had one also. | 12:56 |
| kwwii | Cimi: it also works fine the way we are oding it now | 12:56 |
| kwwii | doing | 12:56 |
| kwwii | we very well might change things | 12:56 |
| kwwii | but for now it works ok | 12:56 |
| andreasn | kwwii, in the earliest mockups it looked like the icons would be monochrome, any specific reason you didn't en up doing that? | 12:57 |
| Cimi | kwwii: it doesn't work on my desktop because I'm not using ubuntu artworks | 12:57 |
| andreasn | kwwii, because the background of the notification will always be black, right? | 12:59 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: If you're using Ubuntu, but not the Human theme, it will be fixed soom because the images are being moved to the GNOME set. | 12:59 |
| kwwii | andreasn: right | 12:59 |
| _MMA_ | But I agree hicolor is a better place. | 12:59 |
| Cimi | _MMA_: but *why* the gnome set and not hicolor? | 12:59 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: they are not being moved to the gnome set | 12:59 |
| kwwii | they are part of the package now | 12:59 |
| Cimi | I'm not using gnome too :-) | 12:59 |
| Cimi | kwwii: it is odd | 13:00 |
| Cimi | hicolor is the right place | 13:00 |
| Cimi | andreasn: what do you think? | 13:00 |
| Cimi | you're our icon guru | 13:00 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: SO they will now be hard-coded and unthemeable? | 13:01 |
| andreasn | yes, hicolor sounds like the correct place, because then everyone would see them and we can override it in HighContrast for example | 13:01 |
| andreasn | I guess the icons are pretty monocrome + some gradient thing | 13:02 |
| andreasn | I like them | 13:02 |
| andreasn | is the plan to push the notifications upstream soon? | 13:03 |
| kwwii | I'll look into this closer and see what I can do | 13:03 |
| kwwii | andreasn: yes | 13:03 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: If so, that's a big FAIL IMO. If nothing other than andreasn's example. | 13:03 |
| _MMA_ | Hell. What do I care. I'm pulling it from Studio anyway. :P | 13:03 |
| andreasn | some people will probably kick and scream, but I think they are cool :) | 13:04 |
| kwwii | I think the idea is pretty cool, people should give it time to mature | 13:04 |
| andreasn | _MMA_, well, they are pretty monocrome already and possible to see with bad eyesight | 13:05 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: Cool yes, but not having the ability to consistently theme them is fail IMO. | 13:05 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: I'll have a blind friend look over them. | 13:05 |
| andreasn | is his regular theme HighContrast? if so, forward my apologies that we suck in that department :( | 13:06 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Do you know if they (the notifications) work with the current assistive tech? | 13:06 |
| andreasn | time for lunch, later! | 13:06 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: no idea | 13:06 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: I guess you're really not the best guy to bug about it. I'll just look into it and file lots of bugs. | 13:10 |
| _MMA_ | ;) | 13:10 |
| kwwii | :) | 13:14 |
| thorwil | hmm. a bzr commit during an ongoing push shouldn't be a problem, or? | 16:40 |
| _MMA_ | I wouldn't risk it. | 16:41 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: You working in 2 terminals in the same branch? | 16:41 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: no. not yet :) | 16:42 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Well I think you would be fine on separate branches. But if trying to commit to a branch you are pushing just sounds like trouble. | 16:43 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i recently noticed that the LP terms state that a branch _has_ to contain at least some source code. that means i'm currently breaking the rules. could you do a little lobbying, make the ones responsible think of artwork needs? | 16:44 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i will practice patience, then | 16:45 |
| kwwii | thorwil: wow, that sounds funky | 16:47 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I would create a bug about that | 16:47 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: So wait, you're saying that a team *needs* code in a branch? | 16:48 |
| thorwil | interesting idea. didn't think that could be the target of a report | 16:48 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: it's likely not the intention, but have a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Legal/ProjectLicensing | 16:51 |
| thorwil | "To use Launchpad free of charge, a software project must meet these conditions." | 16:51 |
| thorwil | "It must include source code. " ... | 16:51 |
| thorwil | well, i have a bash script included to turn PNGs into JPGs and thumbnails ^^ | 16:52 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. To me, it relates to a project, not teams. But the language could be changed a bit. | 16:53 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: The script is the code in that case. | 16:53 |
| _MMA_ | *source code | 16:53 |
| thorwil | all my other branches include SVGs, though calling those source code ... | 16:54 |
| _MMA_ | It is. | 16:54 |
| _MMA_ | Art is always a odd thing. There's no way to know if a renders PNG came from a SVG so there it just comes down to license. | 16:55 |
| _MMA_ | *rendered | 16:56 |
| thorwil | kwwii: where/how to file against LP? | 16:56 |
| _MMA_ | "Launchpad itself" | 16:57 |
| _MMA_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug | 16:59 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: But I really don't think it's worth it. Maybe just have a chat on #launchpad. | 16:59 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: thanks. did you reach that by simply entering launchpad as project? | 17:00 |
| _MMA_ | Well if you search "launchpad" in Launchpad one of the results will be: "Launchpad itself". | 17:00 |
| thorwil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/332160 | 17:06 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 332160 in launchpad "Legal/ProjectLicensing is problematic for artwork" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| savvas | Karmic Koala :) | 17:17 |
| savvas | next ubuntu codename | 17:17 |
| thorwil | and i thought you were joking :) | 17:20 |
| savvas | :P | 17:27 |
| SealV | Karmic koala? *sigh* Mark really loves difficult animals..and complex concepts... | 17:38 |
| * _MMA_ updates Breathe's packaging files. jaunty->karmic | 17:46 | |
| SealV | on the plus side, there is no way to not make a koala cute.. | 17:47 |
| _MMA_ | hehe | 17:48 |
| _MMA_ | Though, from what I've heard, Intrepid is the last we will see of officially used (shipped as default) mascot wallpapers. | 17:49 |
| SealV | thanks the benevolent dictators | 17:53 |
| SealV | so the focus will be on the descriptor? | 17:53 |
| _MMA_ | SealV: I think it's a safe bet from here on out it will be some generic abstract sorta thing like past releases. | 17:58 |
| SealV | Brown has served us well but | 18:30 |
| SealV | the Koala is considering other options. | 18:30 |
| SealV | oh my SealV is getting a bit exicited | 18:31 |
| _MMA_ | SealV: Don't get too excited. Just remember we are powerless over default. ;) | 18:32 |
| SealV | I know but I would love to see where they will be taking this.didn't a team just form at cononical? | 18:33 |
| _MMA_ | Yep | 18:34 |
| dashua | _MMA_: You shouldn't have to remove notify-osd. You can install gnome-stracciatella-session for an upstream session. | 21:32 |
| dashua | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Jaunty/StracciatellaSession | 21:32 |
| dashua | Haven't tried it yet. I think there were some dependency issues. | 21:32 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... | 21:34 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie look into that. | 21:34 |
| dashua | I just copied the icons from Human into Breathe and they seem to be working. | 21:34 |
| dashua | Battery, sound, display, no wifi | 21:34 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Well you should wait. There's gonna be a Ubuntu update. | 21:35 |
| dashua | Also the issue with compiz needs a window match. | 21:35 |
| dashua | !(title=notify-osd) | 21:35 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 21:35 |
| dashua | Needs to be added to open, close, and fading windows | 21:35 |
| dashua | Think there is a patch coming, but it's easy to add manually. | 21:36 |
| dashua | _MMA_: Yeah, I saw the bug report. Cool | 21:36 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... Ok. I gotta weigh what to use for Studio. | 21:36 |
| dashua | It's still rather buggy, but looks great IMHO | 21:36 |
| dashua | Stacking is quite nice | 21:37 |
| _MMA_ | Wel wait. This gnome-stracciatella-session creates a new x-session option. | 21:38 |
| _MMA_ | Like after you install XFCE or KDE on Ubuntu? | 21:38 |
| dashua | The Karmic Koala will have a new look away from brown. | 21:38 |
| dashua | Will the complaints finally cease? =/ | 21:38 |
| dashua | Not sure. I think there were some python issues with it. | 21:39 |
| dashua | Ken Vandine was talking about the other day. | 21:39 |
| dashua | it* | 21:39 |
| _MMA_ | Ill talk to him. I know him personally. | 21:40 |
| dashua | It wasn't pulling in some dependencies, but may be fixed by now. | 21:40 |
| dashua | Yeah, he's an awesome guy. | 21:40 |
| dashua | I used Foresight for a bit. | 21:40 |
| _MMA_ | I just hope he finds a Job. :( | 21:40 |
| dashua | He did. | 21:40 |
| dashua | He works for Canonical. | 21:40 |
| dashua | Desktop Engineer | 21:41 |
| dashua | http://blogs.gnome.org/kenvandine/ | 21:41 |
| dashua | Another asset to the team. | 21:42 |
| _MMA_ | WTF!!!??? | 21:42 |
| dashua | Yeah | 21:42 |
| dashua | I thought the same thing. | 21:42 |
| dashua | Ubuntu just got a whole lot better. | 21:42 |
| SealV | what happened? why is mma confused? | 21:43 |
| SealV | bbl | 21:47 |
| kwwii | yeah, we just hired him | 22:10 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: I just gave him a earful. :P | 22:10 |
| dashua | kwwii: Is the wifi notification working for you or has that not been enabled yet? | 22:29 |
| dashua | I see there are some icons there. | 22:29 |
| kwwii | dashua: not sure what you mean | 23:11 |
| kwwii | but I am guessing that network manager has not been patched yet | 23:11 |
| dashua | Yeah, that's it. The other icons look nice. :) | 23:36 |
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