[00:12] <joshjtl> who in gods name decides on ubuntu artwork... they should stop
[00:13] <joshjtl> default art is supposed to be widely acceptable, it never has been on ubuntu
[00:14] <_MMA_> Please take your trolling elsewhere.
[00:14] <joshjtl> _MMA_: I'm just stating my opinion... thats not trolling
[00:14] <joshjtl> If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry
[00:15] <joshjtl> trolling... sheesh
[00:15] <_MMA_> What reaction do you expect? New person in a channel that says that. Thin next time.
[00:15] <_MMA_> *Think
[00:16] <joshjtl> uh what do you want me to say.., "I love ubuntu artwork" If I dont feel it!!???
[00:16] <joshjtl> think next time, dont feel
[00:16] <joshjtl> pussy
[00:16] <joshjtl> fuck you
[00:16] <_MMA_> hahaha. And I'm the puss. :P
[00:37] <tretle> :)
[00:37] <tretle> out of curiosity who actually decides?
[00:38] <_MMA_> Canonical
[02:10] <SealV> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235095736.png
[02:11] <_MMA_> SealV: Not bad. :)
[02:14] <SealV> thanks
[02:34] <MRIguy> Anyone awake still?
[02:34] <SealV> yes
[02:35] <MRIguy> I jumped onto the wiki and took a look at the artwork section
[02:35] <MRIguy> interesting points of view
[02:36] <MRIguy> Since I am new to this channel, any themers on board?
[02:37] <SealV> I believe Cimi is developing the murrine engine...
[02:37] <MRIguy> murrine engine... I saw some artwork based on that during my wiki hunt
[02:38] <MRIguy> IS there more info on the engine?
[02:39] <SealV> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/project/murrine
[02:39]  * MRIguy looking
[02:39] <_MMA_> MRIguy: Also join the mailing list to get up to speed on the active projects.
[02:43] <Cimi> SealV: clearlooks too
[02:43] <SealV> :o
[02:43] <Cimi> i'm the maintainer of gtk-engines and gnome-themes-extrrsa
[02:43] <Cimi> for gnome
[02:43] <_MMA_> Cimi: You want another gold star? :P
[02:43] <SealV> lol
[02:44] <_MMA_> hehehe
[02:44] <SealV> Cimi: a good tutorial/guide for pizbuf/pixmap engine?
[02:44] <SealV> *pixbuf
[02:45] <Cimi> _MMA_: yeah
[02:45] <Cimi> _MMA_: if you have some idea...
[02:45] <Cimi> sq
[02:46] <Cimi> SealV: no, you should not use the pixbuf engine
[02:46] <_MMA_> Cimi: Because...?
[02:46] <SealV> no other way, I want to try to make a better 'wood ' theme
[02:47] <Cimi> _MMA_: a lot of minor reasons
[02:47] <_MMA_> Cimi: Please don't say speed.
[02:47] <Cimi> _MMA_: you already said :)
[02:47] <SealV> regardless, can any other engine handle textures?
[02:48] <Cimi> SealV: experience and css
[02:48] <SealV> and out of those which do you recommend
[02:48] <Cimi> pixbuf
[02:48] <Cimi> or experience
[02:49] <Cimi> maybe pixbuf
[02:49] <SealV> =__=
[02:49] <_MMA_> Cimi: The speed issue is a myth perpetrated by nerds arguing over nanoseconds *years* ago. Any speed arguments are completely useless on modern HW.
[02:49] <_MMA_> So any issues /other/ than speed I'd like to hear about.
[02:50] <SealV> how about 0 useful documentation
[02:50] <_MMA_> +1 there.
[02:50] <_MMA_> Cimi has been a perfect example of great documentation. ;)
[02:51] <MRIguy> _MMA_: I'm currently on a business trip in New York area. I'll look into the mailing list when I get back next week.
[02:51] <MRIguy> pixmap?
[02:51] <MRIguy> pixbuf?
[02:51] <_MMA_> MRIguy: That would be great. Are you an artist of any sort? Portfolio?
[02:51] <MRIguy> Hang on: Some URLs
[02:52] <_MMA_> MRIguy: They are the engines behind themes you see on GNOME.
[02:53] <_MMA_> MRIguy: So you install a "engine" on your Linux box and code for that particular one. There are only a couple major ones.
[02:55] <MRIguy> One of my more recent themes -
[02:55] <MRIguy> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/darkside/
[02:57] <MRIguy> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/explorergtk/
[02:57] <MRIguy> I rendered the background pics for both themes
[02:57] <_MMA_> MRIguy: Huh? Wait. You have made GNOME themes but don't know what pixmap is?
[02:58] <MRIguy> Pixmap is the common denominator in Linux distros
[02:58] <MRIguy> I know what a engine is.. I was just pulling your leg.
[02:59] <MRIguy> Distros which use Gnome
[02:59] <_MMA_> MRIguy: You have no clue the folks we get in here. SO for someone new to come in and ask is not uncommon.
[02:59] <MRIguy> I understand.
[03:00] <MRIguy> I have themes for KDE and Window Maker as well
[03:00] <MRIguy> Been doing themes since KDE 2.0
[03:01] <MRIguy> I recently branched into Metacity/GTK
[03:01] <SealV> :( I had to google cimi's site ya know...anyways..welcome
[03:01] <MRIguy> I post my works on freshmeat.net
[03:02] <MRIguy> Want some background which I did?
[03:02] <_MMA_> Well I gotta run. MRIguy: See ya on the mailing list.
[03:02] <MRIguy> background images, that is
[03:02] <MRIguy> _MMA_ : Good luck
[03:05] <MRIguy> Is murrine going to make it into the Gnome world? What I mean  is : will we see it distributed along side pixmap and clearlook?
[03:07] <MRIguy> Everyone have a nice evening. Bye Bye.
[03:13] <Cimi> _MMA_: speed is an issue like others (expecially on the new netbooks or mobile devices) but it's not the main one. with those engine you lose a lot of configurability, inheritance between widgets, color adjustment and whatever makes your theme consisent. with a pixmap theme you'll never reach a theme perfect overll, those themes are good for simple alternatives, but are not suitable for a default
[03:15] <Cimi> anyway I'm tired, going to bed
[03:15] <Cimi> night SealV
[03:18] <SealV> night cimi
[08:57]  * tretle thinks that the ubuntu icon theme should be replaced with a mofified version of gnome-colors
[08:57] <tretle> the human variant that is
[08:59] <ziroday> tretle: have you seen breathe, its very nice.
[08:59] <tretle> don't personally like it
[09:00] <tretle> think the icons need to be brighter
[09:01] <tretle> Quite like the mango icon theme though, which is of similar spec to breath and oxegen except nice and bright
[09:01] <tretle> Hate the current icon theme
[09:01] <tretle> yet nothing seems to change release to release
[09:04] <ziroday> tretle: can't seem to find the mango icon theme, link?
[09:05] <tretle> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG
[09:05] <ziroday> tretle: thanks
[09:05] <tretle> np
[09:06] <ziroday> tretle: ah I've seen those before, but they're not in the PD
[09:07] <tretle> pd?
[12:09] <savvas> cool notifications!! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1909/mootu0.png
[12:12] <ziroday> savvas: mine aren't starting :(
[12:13] <_MMA_> savvas: Depends on what "cool" refers to for me. /Looks/ sure. As far as a consistent and bug-free replacement for what's there, no.
[12:13] <savvas> ziroday: right click on rhythmbox, check "show notifications" and switch your song
[12:13] <savvas> ziroday: it's for jaunty by the way :)
[12:14] <ziroday> savvas: yep, got it now :)
[12:16] <savvas> _MMA_: so far I've noticed it on rhythmbox and apport, but.. have you seen any bugs?
[12:17] <ziroday> volume doesn't work
[12:17] <_MMA_> ziroday: Switch to the Human theme.
[12:18] <_MMA_> ziroday: But that should be fixed soon.
[12:18] <ziroday> _MMA_: there is no high color fallback?
[12:18] <_MMA_> No
[12:18] <ziroday> wha..?
[12:18] <ziroday> wouldn't that be sensible
[12:18] <_MMA_> The icons were mistakenly put in the Human theme.
[12:19] <ziroday> hmph
[12:19] <_MMA_> Filed a bug. Already fixed. Just wait for the update.
[12:19] <ziroday> _MMA_: ah great :)
[12:19]  * ziroday sends a sixpack to _MMA_ 
[12:20] <_MMA_> I think it should get moved to hicolor but it's getting moved to gnome.
[12:20] <ziroday> as long as their is a fall back
[12:21] <ziroday> hmm it doesn't play nice with banshee either
[12:22] <_MMA_> savvas: I get oddness with mail-notification for one. Where in addition to the pop-up I get a metacity framed window. There's still work to be done for Jaunty on it I'm told. I still might remove it from Studio as it's just bling and I think I wanna give it a cycle to mature.
[12:23] <Cimi> _MMA_: and it is broken without compiz
[12:23] <_MMA_> +1
[12:24] <ziroday> then whats the fallback if compiz isn't running?
[12:24] <Cimi> yeah
[12:24] <Cimi> but it is absolutely UGLY
[12:24] <ziroday> right
[12:24] <Cimi> try to hover it
[12:24] <Cimi> you'll have strange effects
[12:25] <Cimi> notifications looks better with the old notification-daemon
[12:25] <Cimi> when no compiz is running
[12:25] <ziroday> at least its easy to remove
[12:25] <_MMA_> For me, when I hover it disappears except for a outline of the dialog.
[12:25] <Cimi> yeah
[12:25] <Cimi> _MMA_: this is not so bling
[12:25] <Cimi> but there's no solution
[12:26] <Cimi> without compiz you don't have the alpha channel and you must do totally black or totally transparent
[12:26] <_MMA_> Cimi: Like I said, there's still ongoing work. This just hit so judge it harshly when they actually release Jaunty. ;)
[12:27] <Cimi> _MMA_: the thing could improve for compiz/metacity with composite
[12:27] <Cimi> but will never be fixed for non-composited screens
[12:27] <Cimi> because there's no solution
[12:27] <Cimi> so, it will be broken or ugly or whateve you call it
[12:28] <ziroday> Cimi: but nearly all the new cards nowadays support compositing
[12:29] <Cimi> all
[12:29] <Cimi> metacity compositing doesn't require a video card
[12:29] <Cimi> it works with the CPU  if the card doesn't support it
[12:29] <ziroday> Cimi: but isn't that seriously slow?
[12:29] <Cimi> but personally I don't like to enable those transparencies
[12:29] <Cimi> ziroday: depends on the cpu
[12:30] <Cimi> anyway
[12:30] <ziroday> Cimi: right
[12:30] <Cimi> I'm not using it on the netbook
[12:30] <Cimi> compiz drains my battery
[12:30] <_MMA_> ziroday: Yes. This is what I talk about often. On alot of levels we can't continue to think about the lowest common denominator.
[12:31] <ziroday> _MMA_: definitely, in a lot of ways its better to look into the future then stay in the past :). If that past gets a slightlier buggier version then salavi. They can easily remove the new notifications if they want
[12:32] <_MMA_> Agreed.
[12:33] <Cimi> compiz is full of issues
[12:33] <Cimi> should not be used imho
[12:33] <ziroday> _MMA_: also great work on breathe, absolutely love it
[12:33] <_MMA_> Actually, I think it would be best to have a switch somewhere to turn 'em off.
[12:33] <Cimi> try to open gimp
[12:33] <Cimi> or totem
[12:33] <Cimi> or firefox at fullscreen
[12:33] <_MMA_> ziroday: Thanx. It's coming along.
[12:33] <Cimi> it's full of issues
[12:33] <Cimi> I really hope in mutter
[12:34] <ziroday> _MMA_: I was under the impression that the Pop-up Notifications settings in Admin > Preferences was meant to have that
[12:34] <_MMA_> ziroday: I just lost that dialog so I assumed it was for the old system. I'll look again.
[12:35] <Cimi> _MMA_: open powertop and see how compiz drains your battery
[12:35] <ziroday> _MMA_: well that would be the intelligent place to put it from my point of view
[12:35] <_MMA_> Cimi: Nothing that make apps unusable though. Just annoying. I am very happy to see that they are finally pulling things together and getting all these forks stopped.
[12:36] <Cimi> _MMA_: compiz is dead
[12:36] <_MMA_> Cimi: Though an obvious major use-case, I don't use laptops that aren't plugged in.
[12:36] <ziroday> Cimi: I think the new compiz++ efforts as well as hard coding some options and eventually phasing out ccsm is a great leap forwards
[12:36] <ziroday> err take an s of forwards
[12:36] <Cimi> ziroday: words words words
[12:36] <ziroday> Cimi: but those goals are reachable, easily reachable in fact.
[12:36] <Cimi> I would be excited to see that compiz will not dead
[12:37] <_MMA_> Cimi: You make alot of blanket statements like that without qualifying them.
[12:37] <Cimi> but at the moment compiz is a dead project
[12:37] <Cimi> _MMA_: when davidr started workin on the other project
[12:37] <ziroday> Cimi: plus compiz++ development has already started, around 40% of the core has been re-written
[12:37] <Cimi> compiz development was confusing
[12:37] <_MMA_> Cimi: Lets go into #compiz and watch you defend that statement.
[12:38] <ziroday> Cimi: and compiz++ will mean all the plugins have to be ported, alot of the dodgier ones will be dropped
[12:38] <Cimi> it's like going in #ubuntu-artwork saying orange/brown it's a bad colorscheme
[12:38] <_MMA_> Like I said, they are pulling the forks in under Compiz. The project is far feom dead.
[12:38] <_MMA_> *from
[12:38] <Cimi> I'm not blaming the colorscheme here
[12:38] <ziroday> Cimi: as well as an awful lot of settings hardcoded, eventually ccsm will die
[12:38] <Cimi> wait for mutter
[12:39] <Cimi> people will use mutter not compiz
[12:39] <Cimi> compiz is about to dead in my opinion
[12:39] <_MMA_> We'll see. :)
[12:39] <Cimi> yeha it's only a feeling
[12:39] <ziroday> and quinn said she might come back to kick it back alive again
[12:39] <Cimi> rewriting in c++ is not a solution
[12:40] <Cimi> I really hope not
[12:40] <Cimi> beryl was a chaotic window manager
[12:40] <Cimi> full of dirty effects
[12:41] <_MMA_> IMO, the solution needs to come from GNOME or get pulled into GNOME. That would kill anything else. Like KDE did.
[12:41] <Cimi> _MMA_: there's mutter
[12:41] <Cimi> compiz is about to die
[12:41] <Cimi> kwin works better
[12:42] <Cimi> and mutter, even slower and without the amount of effects that compiz has
[12:42] <Cimi> will be my choice for usability and stability
[12:42] <Cimi> I'm tired of gimp issues, kde applications (they all start without window borders!!!) and similar problems
[12:43] <Cimi> compiz doesn't remember the position of the windows (nautilus)
[12:43] <_MMA_> Never seen that. Honestly.
[12:43] <Cimi> I don't want the flames when I close the window with all those issues
[12:43] <_MMA_> That isn't on by default come on. But it's fun to have.
[12:43] <Cimi> first fix the issue and make it stable as metacity, with the freedesktop compliance
[12:44] <Cimi> and THEN it will be a good choice
[12:44] <Cimi> _MMA_: yeah it could be fun, but before the fun comes the compatibility
[12:44] <Cimi> and compiz is full of issues
[12:45] <Cimi> because the developers are more interested in effects than in fixing bugs
[12:45] <Cimi> at least that's what we said
[12:45] <Cimi> a fork
[12:45] <Cimi> why the hell we should rewrite an entire project in c++??
[12:45] <_MMA_> Cimi: I'm sorry man but atm you sound like the minority. If *everyone* or even the majority of people had these issues all the major distros would not be shipping Compiz.
[12:46] <Cimi> distro ship compiz because the newbies need for the "wow" aero-like impression
[12:47] <Cimi> compiz moved a lot of windows users to linux/ubuntu
[12:47] <_MMA_> Cimi: And ranting here, isn't gonna fix it. Man. I know Italians are "passionate" but there's way more important stuff to get worked up about. :P
[12:47] <Cimi> yeah, like fixing compiz issues
[12:47] <Cimi> and freedesktop compliancy
[12:47] <_MMA_> hahahha
[12:48] <_MMA_> No.
[12:48] <_MMA_> Like *real life* issues. ;)
[12:48] <andreasn> don't composited metacity pretty much do the same as compiz by default on ubuntu?
[12:48] <_MMA_> Compiz being FreeDesktop compliant won't find me a job.
[12:49] <Cimi> _MMA_: ubuntu won't find you a job
[12:49] <Cimi> or a woman
[12:49] <_MMA_> Cimi: Exactly. So why get worked up about it like you are? :)
[12:49] <Cimi> andreasn: pretty much the same
[12:50] <Cimi> _MMA_: cause I'm seeing my girlfriend in two hours
[12:50] <Cimi> now I don't have too much to do :)
[12:50] <Cimi> and I've already seen the simpsons episode on the tv
[12:50] <_MMA_> Cimi: Still, not worth it. ;)
[12:50] <kwwii> andreasn: hey, I was looking for you yesterday :)
[12:51] <kwwii> andreasn: I guess you saw the notification stuff?
[12:51] <_MMA_> Cimi: At least you don't use lots of punctuation!!!!?????
[12:51] <Cimi> kwwii: please pull the notify-osd icons inside hicolor
[12:51] <_MMA_> Cimi: Or maybe you save that for other channels. :P
[12:52] <andreasn> kwwii, yes, I read through the document briefly, but I haven't tried it out
[12:52] <kwwii> andreasn: well, as far as the icons go it is basically like this:
[12:52] <kwwii> we have the ubuntu icons in the human theme
[12:52] <kwwii> and I picked a bunch of gnome icons and put them directly in the pacakge
[12:53] <kwwii> that is not the long term solution, naturally
[12:53] <kwwii> but it does allow for people to choose another theme and still have icons
[12:53] <Cimi> kwwii: hicolor
[12:53] <Cimi> put them inside hicolor
[12:53] <_MMA_> kwwii: But as everything falls back to hicolor that would be best. It's why I mentioned it in the bug report.
[12:55] <Cimi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/331849
[12:55] <Cimi> ?
[12:56] <_MMA_> Cimi: No. I had one also.
[12:56] <kwwii> Cimi: it also works fine the way we are oding it now
[12:56] <kwwii> doing
[12:56] <kwwii> we very well might change things
[12:56] <kwwii> but for now it works ok
[12:57] <andreasn> kwwii, in the earliest mockups it looked like the icons would be monochrome, any specific reason you didn't en up doing that?
[12:57] <Cimi> kwwii: it doesn't work on my desktop because I'm not using ubuntu artworks
[12:59] <andreasn> kwwii, because the background of the notification will always be black, right?
[12:59] <_MMA_> Cimi: If you're using Ubuntu, but not the Human theme, it will be fixed soom because the images are being moved to the GNOME set.
[12:59] <kwwii> andreasn: right
[12:59] <_MMA_> But I agree hicolor is a better place.
[12:59] <Cimi> _MMA_: but *why* the gnome set and not hicolor?
[12:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: they are not being moved to the gnome set
[12:59] <kwwii> they are part of the package now
[12:59] <Cimi> I'm not using gnome too :-)
[13:00] <Cimi> kwwii: it is odd
[13:00] <Cimi> hicolor is the right place
[13:00] <Cimi> andreasn: what do you think?
[13:00] <Cimi> you're our icon guru
[13:01] <_MMA_> kwwii: SO they will now be hard-coded and unthemeable?
[13:01] <andreasn> yes, hicolor sounds like the correct place, because then everyone would see them and we can override it in HighContrast for example
[13:02] <andreasn> I guess the icons are pretty monocrome + some gradient thing
[13:02] <andreasn> I like them
[13:03] <andreasn> is the plan to push the notifications upstream soon?
[13:03] <kwwii> I'll look into this closer and see what I can do
[13:03] <kwwii> andreasn: yes
[13:03] <_MMA_> kwwii: If so, that's a big FAIL IMO. If nothing other than andreasn's example.
[13:03] <_MMA_> Hell. What do I care. I'm pulling it from Studio anyway. :P
[13:04] <andreasn> some people will probably kick and scream, but I think they are cool :)
[13:04] <kwwii> I think the idea is pretty cool, people should give it time to mature
[13:05] <andreasn> _MMA_, well, they are pretty monocrome already and possible to see with bad eyesight
[13:05] <_MMA_> andreasn: Cool yes, but not having the ability to consistently theme them is fail IMO.
[13:05] <_MMA_> andreasn: I'll have a blind friend look over them.
[13:06] <andreasn> is his regular theme HighContrast? if so, forward my apologies that we suck in that department :(
[13:06] <_MMA_> kwwii: Do you know if they (the notifications) work with the current assistive tech?
[13:06] <andreasn> time for lunch, later!
[13:06] <kwwii> _MMA_: no idea
[13:10] <_MMA_> kwwii: I guess you're really not the best guy to bug about it. I'll just look into it and file lots of bugs.
[13:10] <_MMA_> ;)
[13:14] <kwwii> :)
[16:40] <thorwil> hmm. a bzr commit during an ongoing push shouldn't be a problem, or?
[16:41] <_MMA_> I wouldn't risk it.
[16:41] <_MMA_> thorwil: You working in 2 terminals in the same branch?
[16:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: no. not yet :)
[16:43] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well I think you would be fine on separate branches. But if trying to commit to a branch you are pushing just sounds like trouble.
[16:44] <thorwil> kwwii: i recently noticed that the LP terms state that a branch _has_ to contain at least some source code. that means i'm currently breaking the rules. could you do a little lobbying, make the ones responsible think of artwork needs?
[16:45] <thorwil> _MMA_: i will practice patience, then
[16:47] <kwwii> thorwil: wow, that sounds funky
[16:47] <kwwii> thorwil: I would create a bug about that
[16:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: So wait, you're saying that a team *needs* code in a branch?
[16:48] <thorwil> interesting idea. didn't think that could be the target of a report
[16:51] <thorwil> _MMA_: it's likely not the intention, but have a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Legal/ProjectLicensing
[16:51] <thorwil> "To use Launchpad free of charge, a software project must meet these conditions."
[16:51] <thorwil> "It must include source code. " ...
[16:52] <thorwil> well, i have a bash script included to turn PNGs into JPGs and thumbnails ^^
[16:53] <_MMA_> Ok. To me, it relates to a project, not teams. But the language could be changed a bit.
[16:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: The script is the code in that case.
[16:53] <_MMA_> *source code
[16:54] <thorwil> all my other branches include SVGs, though calling those source code ...
[16:54] <_MMA_> It is.
[16:55] <_MMA_> Art is always a odd thing. There's no way to know if a renders PNG came from a SVG so there it just comes down to license.
[16:56] <_MMA_> *rendered
[16:56] <thorwil> kwwii: where/how to file against LP?
[16:57] <_MMA_> "Launchpad itself"
[16:59] <_MMA_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[16:59] <_MMA_> thorwil: But I really don't think it's worth it. Maybe just have a chat on #launchpad.
[17:00] <thorwil> _MMA_: thanks. did you reach that by simply entering launchpad as project?
[17:00] <_MMA_> Well if you search "launchpad" in Launchpad one of the results will be: "Launchpad itself".
[17:06] <thorwil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/332160
[17:17] <savvas> Karmic Koala :)
[17:17] <savvas> next ubuntu codename
[17:20] <thorwil> and i thought you were joking :)
[17:27] <savvas> :P
[17:38] <SealV> Karmic koala? *sigh* Mark really loves difficult animals..and complex concepts...
[17:46]  * _MMA_ updates Breathe's packaging files. jaunty->karmic
[17:47] <SealV> on the plus side, there is no way to not make a koala cute..
[17:48] <_MMA_> hehe
[17:49] <_MMA_> Though, from what I've heard, Intrepid is the last we will see of officially used (shipped as default) mascot wallpapers.
[17:53] <SealV> thanks the benevolent dictators
[17:53] <SealV> so the focus will be on the descriptor?
[17:58] <_MMA_> SealV: I think it's a safe bet from here on out it will be some generic abstract sorta thing like past releases.
[18:30] <SealV> Brown has served us well but
[18:30] <SealV> the Koala is considering other options.
[18:31] <SealV> oh my SealV is getting a bit exicited
[18:32] <_MMA_> SealV: Don't get too excited. Just remember we are powerless over default. ;)
[18:33] <SealV> I know but I  would love to see where they will be taking this.didn't a team just form at cononical?
[18:34] <_MMA_> Yep
[21:32] <dashua> _MMA_: You shouldn't have to remove notify-osd.  You can install gnome-stracciatella-session for an upstream session.
[21:32] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Jaunty/StracciatellaSession
[21:32] <dashua> Haven't tried it yet.  I think there were some dependency issues.
[21:34] <_MMA_> Hmm...
[21:34] <_MMA_> Lemmie look into that.
[21:34] <dashua> I just copied the icons from Human into Breathe and they seem to be working.
[21:34] <dashua> Battery, sound, display, no wifi
[21:35] <_MMA_> dashua: Well you should wait. There's gonna be a Ubuntu update.
[21:35] <dashua> Also the issue with compiz needs a window match.
[21:35] <dashua> !(title=notify-osd)
[21:35] <dashua> Needs to be added to open, close, and fading windows
[21:36] <dashua> Think there is a patch coming, but it's easy to add manually.
[21:36] <dashua> _MMA_: Yeah, I saw the bug report.  Cool
[21:36] <_MMA_> Hmm... Ok. I gotta weigh what to use for Studio.
[21:36] <dashua> It's still rather buggy, but looks great IMHO
[21:37] <dashua> Stacking is quite nice
[21:38] <_MMA_> Wel wait. This gnome-stracciatella-session creates a new x-session option.
[21:38] <_MMA_> Like after you install XFCE or KDE on Ubuntu?
[21:38] <dashua> The Karmic Koala will have a new look away from brown.
[21:38] <dashua> Will the complaints finally cease? =/
[21:39] <dashua> Not sure.  I think there were some python issues with it.
[21:39] <dashua> Ken Vandine was talking about the other day.
[21:39] <dashua> it*
[21:40] <_MMA_> Ill talk to him. I know him personally.
[21:40] <dashua> It wasn't pulling in some dependencies, but may be fixed by now.
[21:40] <dashua> Yeah, he's an awesome guy.
[21:40] <dashua> I used Foresight for a bit.
[21:40] <_MMA_> I just hope he finds a Job. :(
[21:40] <dashua> He did.
[21:40] <dashua> He works for Canonical.
[21:41] <dashua> Desktop Engineer
[21:41] <dashua> http://blogs.gnome.org/kenvandine/
[21:42] <dashua> Another asset to the team.
[21:42] <_MMA_> WTF!!!???
[21:42] <dashua> Yeah
[21:42] <dashua> I thought the same thing.
[21:42] <dashua> Ubuntu just got a whole lot better.
[21:43] <SealV> what happened? why is mma confused?
[21:47] <SealV> bbl
[22:10] <kwwii> yeah, we just hired him
[22:10] <_MMA_> kwwii: I just gave him a earful. :P
[22:29] <dashua> kwwii: Is the wifi notification working for you or has that not been enabled yet?
[22:29] <dashua> I see there are some icons there.
[23:11] <kwwii> dashua: not sure what you mean
[23:11] <kwwii> but I am guessing that network manager has not been patched yet
[23:36] <dashua> Yeah, that's it.  The other icons look nice. :)