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superm1ScottK, looking at the debdiff between the two uploads, i highly doubt that is where the problem was introduced? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22563445/libsdl1.2_1.2.13-4ubuntu1_1.2.13-4ubuntu2.diff.gz00:15
superm1i think that previous merge would be more likely to cause the problems00:15
ScottKsuperm1: OK.  Thanks for looking.  TheMuso uploaded that one, so maybe he'll look.00:19
TheMusoThe OpenGL and sdl one? I really don't know what I should be looking for actually, everything looks sane to me when I glanced atht ehrules file the other day.00:20
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directhexDktrKranz, braving the debian NM gauntlet, i see?00:29
DktrKranzdirecthex, yep00:31
directhexDktrKranz, who is your advocate?00:31
DktrKranzcedric00:32
DktrKranzand now, I'll get some sleep... boring day is just passed00:34
directhexthe NM list is odd. ian murdock, the ian part of "debian", is stuck in NM since 2004?00:34
DktrKranzemeritous00:35
ScottKTheMuso: I'm not sure, but between the upload you sponsored and the one superm1 sponsored it seems to have gotten somewhat broken.00:43
TheMusoScottK: Right. WIll have another look then.00:49
ScottKTheMuso: Thanks.00:50
RAOFIs the new DX notification daemon going to get significantly less crap at displaying notifications without actions associated, or is it time for me to start patching stuff?00:56
directhexRAOF, i fear how the new daemon will interact with banshee00:58
RAOFdirecthex: This is exactly the use-case I'm exploring now :)00:58
LaneyIt'll just mean the skip button will go away, right?00:58
directhexLaney, which will make me mad. grr, directhex smash!00:59
RAOFNo.  It means that instead of a notification, a dialog pops up with "skip", "cancel", and "ok" buttons.00:59
directhexRAOF, no wai!00:59
LaneyI'm assuming it gets patched00:59
RAOFThis dialog isn't always on top, and hence is almost always not on top, due to focus-stealing prevention.00:59
TheMusoScottK: Hrm interesting. It may be a Debian change that broke it. I'll have to dig up my merge diff to double check it to be sure that also wasn't the culpret.00:59
Laneyah, national anthem on the radio01:00
* Laney hand on heart01:00
TheMusoSDL problem found, squashing a few bytesize SDL bugs while I'm at it.01:31
directhexyay TheMuso01:32
RAOFAlright motu-release!  The only thing between us and a working evolution-sharp package in Jaunty is a FFe ack.01:35
ScottKTheMuso: Great.  Glad to hear it.01:37
ScottKRAOF: What bug?01:38
RAOFhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-sharp/+bug/33185801:38
ubottuUbuntu bug 331858 in evolution-sharp "FFe for evolution-sharp 0.19.2.1" [Undecided,New]01:38
RAOFShould be a bit of a no-brainer, really.  evolution-sharp is totally broken at the moment.  I guess "working" after "not-working at all" is a bit of a featuer :)01:39
ScottKRAOF: Are you going to take responsibility for the rebuilds and how soon will they be done?01:40
RAOFI'll take responsibility for the rebuilds.01:41
RAOFThey should be easy; I'll do them shortly after evolution-sharp clears NEW.01:41
ScottKOK.01:43
ScottKAck from me then.  You need two.01:43
RAOFYup.  Thanks.01:44
RAOFAny pet bugs you'd like fixed? :)01:44
ScottKI'd ask you to fix boost, but I've already got test builds started.01:46
ScottKRAOF: I guess if you'd go knock out a few from the sponsorship queue, I'd appreciate that.01:49
RAOFThat's a good plan.  I've been meaning to do that for ages.01:49
* ScottK notes that there are currently 890 Universe packages FBTFS in Jaunty if anyone is looking for something to do http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#universe01:54
RAOFUm. We require 2 motu-sru acks before an SRU is approved, yes?01:55
RAOFThe wiki page doesn't actually appear to contain this information.01:56
ScottKDunno about SRU.01:56
ScottKMy suggestion would be upload it an let them decide.01:57
ScottKBy that's probably totally wrong.01:57
* ajmitch wonders how many of those are FTBFS on the main release architectures01:57
ScottKajmitch: Mostly not, but enough for people to keep busy.01:58
* ajmitch sees a lot of spurious armel failures there02:00
ScottKYep02:00
ScottKThere's a lot on sparc and ia64 that just needs a retry too.02:00
ajmitcheg last-exit failed to build because udev couldn't be installed in the build chroot02:00
ScottKStill some on powerpc too altough I managed to clear up a lot of powerpc the list time the buildd's were quiet.02:01
ajmitchRAOF: you'll be disappointed to see that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau failed to build on HPPA :)02:02
RAOFajmitch: I'm crushed.02:02
ajmitchcan you even use nvidia cards with those?02:03
RAOFProbably not.02:03
TheMusoScottK: Will probably take a ook at powerpc FTBFSs at some point.02:06
TheMusolook02:06
TheMusoAnd sparc should be fixed by tomorrow, got a ports kernel upload coming tonight hopefully, my time.02:06
TheMusofor glibc/qt4-x11 and anything else depending on endianness.02:07
ScottKTheMuso: I've been gradually working on sneaking in retries of stuff that died when the ports kernels were all broken.02:07
TheMusoScottK: cool.02:07
ScottKI think on powerpc almost anything in Main has some real problem.02:07
* RAOF hasn't been doing particularly well with the sponsors queue. A bunch that weren't meant to be sponsored, and now vnc4 hasn't built since Hardy.02:07
ScottKThat's great news about sparc.02:07
ScottKTheMuso: IA64 seems to be healthy too, just needs time to catch up.02:08
TheMusoScottK: Yeah.02:08
ScottKAbout 36 hours ago I noticed the powerpc buildd's were idle so I went to find something to retry.  While I was doing that two uploads got done.  That retry still hasn't happened.02:09
* ajmitch wonders what should be done about packages that have FTBFS since hardy02:12
TheMusoScottK: lol02:14
TheMusoI think my weekends are the best time, most devs are asleep, and those of us in a similar timezone to myself are either doing something else, or aren't always donig uploads etc.02:14
TheMusoI remember last weekend I retried several packages on various arches in main, plan to do the same this weekend.02:14
ScottKI had similar luck myself.02:15
* TheMuso shakes his head at libsdl. It doesn't even link directly to the X libs, it dlopens them. :S02:35
TheMusoAt least thats how it gets built.02:35
TheMusoAlthough that does make sense in terms of non-X systems wanting to use it.02:36
TheMusoSDL would be better off having a plugin system, which probably already exists in the post 1.2 branch upstream anyway.02:40
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dholbachgood morning05:28
=== TheMuso changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Jaunty Feature Freeze in effect - Go fix bugs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Grab a merge: http://dad.dunnewind.net http://merges.ubuntu.com | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs | next MOTU Meeting: TBD
fabrice_spGood morning06:01
iulianMorning dholbach, fabrice_sp.06:13
fabrice_spmorning iulian!06:13
fabrice_spmorning dholbach also06:14
fabrice_sp:-)06:14
dholbachhiya iulian, hi fabrice_sp06:14
fabrice_spby the way, one question: now that we are in FF, a merge that hasn't been sponsored before, has to follow the FFe process? (it's for Bug #247591)06:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 247591 in ltp "[Merge request]Please update ltp 20081130+dfsg from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24759106:15
ScottKyes it does06:17
fabrice_spok. Will do then. thanks06:17
LaibschIs this a good place for questions about pbuilder-dist?  I tried #pbuilder but that does not seem to exist anywhere.06:51
ScottKProbably.06:56
LaibschI want to backport a package X (for personal use), which relies on debhelper 7.   Although I re-compiled debhelper 7 first, it does not seem to find it.  How do I include previously built packages in those available to subsequent builds?07:16
LaibschSame question goes the other way round, too, of course.  How to exclude so to make sure a package succeeds a build from scratch07:16
tonyyarussoWhat is the function of 'make clean' exactly?07:59
Flanneltonyyarusso: It removes all packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/08:02
Flanneloh, make clean!08:02
Flannelhah08:02
* Flannel runs away.08:02
tonyyarussoWay to read Flannel :P08:04
Flannelquiet.08:04
=== DktrKranz changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Jaunty Feature Freeze in effect - Go fix bugs! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Fix RC bugs: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs | Help to clear NBS list: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ | next MOTU Meeting: TBD
* jussi01 points and laughs at Flannel (yes... Im everywhere) :P08:04
Flanneljussi01: I'm everywhere-er!08:05
dholbachtonyyarusso: it removes files that are created automatically during the build process (like the compiled binaries, etc.)08:11
tonyyarussodholbach: ah, ok08:11
tonyyarussoany of you guys have an AIM account and want to help me test something?08:11
* tonyyarusso compiled without SSL, so that's the only protocol that works - whoops.08:11
tonyyarussoAlso, how do you build a package with a configure script?  I'm used to using 'debuild -S -sa' and then 'sudo pbuilder build *.dsc', but debuild requires the ./configure to have run first.  However, it appears that script is run within debian/rules, so is all automatic if I can figure out the invocation properly.08:14
liwtonyyarusso, debian/rules must invoke the configure script in some way; if you use cdbs, one of the magic includes will do that for you; if you don't use cdbs, you need to write your own build target and call ./configure from there08:17
tonyyarussoliw: debian/rules does invoke the configure script.  I just am not getting to the point of letting debian/rules do it's thing.08:17
tonyyarussooh, wait - I think it's because I was missing some helper scripts.  nvm08:18
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tonyyarussoDo all Ubuntu changes go in debian/patches/, or do some touch the bulk of the source?  (how does that directory compare to the rest, and under what circumstances should changes go there)08:23
gesertonyyarusso: it depends if the package uses a patch system or not08:24
tonyyarussogeser: It does, CDBS with something.  (pidgin)08:25
pmjdebruijntonyyarusso: then patches should go under debian/patches08:25
tonyyarussosimple-patchsys apparently08:25
tonyyarussookie dokie08:25
geserso patches to the source should go there while you can change files in debian/ directly08:26
dholbachwhat-patch (in ubuntu-dev-tools) FTW!08:27
tonyyarussojust found that - cool beans08:28
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`6oghi all. I want to rebuild the hardy kernel packages to see if the packages in -security will build without -updates. Any clues how i could do that?09:27
sorenTry it in a PPA. You can configure it to only use -security.09:28
`6ogsoren, i'll investigate that, thanks.09:30
tonyyarussoWhat are some reasons a patch would fail to apply during 'pbuilder build'?09:51
savvastonyyarusso: usually when the original file that you are patching changes09:52
tonyyarussosavvas: ah, possibly due to another patch for instance?09:53
geseror you try to patch a already patch file while the patch is against the unpatched version09:53
gesertonyyarusso: might also be due to changes upstream09:54
savvastrue, like my problem yesterday with boost1.35 :P09:54
tonyyarussogeser: Can't be upstream - I haven't changed versions.09:54
* tonyyarusso greps for patches touching the same file09:54
tonyyarussowell that's not it...09:55
tonyyarussoI wish the error was more descriptive - all it says is "Trying patch debian/patches/75_pounce-options-enhance.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure."09:56
savvastonyyarusso: source link?09:56
tonyyarussosavvas: to what, the patch?09:57
tonyyarussohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/120522/09:57
gesertonyyarusso: try to manually apply the patch (with patch) so you see the exact messages09:57
savvaspatch and the debian source if you have them :)09:57
savvasah pidgin09:57
tonyyarussoyeah09:57
tonyyarussooh, nvm - everyone ignore me...09:58
savvastonyyarusso: hardy?09:58
tonyyarussoI left changes in the source tree from generating said patch, 'cause it's 4am and I'm an idiot.09:58
tonyyarussosavvas: for now yes09:58
savvasoh, so problem fixed :)09:59
tonyyarussoLet's try this again...10:00
tonyyarussosavvas: btw, what was relevate about asking if it was hardy?  (I ask so I know what I need to change to do this for jaunty as well)10:04
tonyyarusso*relevant10:04
savvasI just wanted to know which source package you are using :)10:05
tonyyarussoah10:05
savvasI saw 2.4.1 in the patch10:05
* tonyyarusso hopes not much has changed in this part of the package so I don't get any surpriseds10:05
tonyyarussosavvas: btw, if you know anything about pidgin, I figured out how to do what I want in GTK, but I have no idea how to do it in GNT for finch, since GNT doesn't seem to have a radio button feature, only checkboxes that aren't mutually exclusive.10:07
savvasnope, still learning packaging, sorry :P10:08
savvasgeser: I'm trying to make all boost (1.34) packages move to boost1.35 - I should patch so that packages such as libboost-filesystem-dev in boost (1.34) is renamed as libboost-filesystem1.34-dev, right?10:11
savvasor if anyone else knows :)10:12
incorrecthopefully backporting bdb 4.7 will fix openldap replication issues10:12
gesersavvas: I wouldn't rename them, better would be to get rid of boost 1.34 if possible, we have 1.35 and 1.37 in archive too10:24
savvasgeser: so I should just work on boost1.35?10:25
geserwhat are you trying to accomplish? it's not really clear to me right now10:27
savvasgeser: sorry, hold a sec10:28
savvas$ sudo apt-get install libboost-filesystem-dev10:28
savvasThe following packages have unmet dependencies: libboost-filesystem-dev: Depends: libboost-dev (= 1.34.1-15ubuntu1)10:28
geserworks here: jaunty on amd6410:29
* savvas updates10:31
savvasoooh.. now I see10:31
savvasI already had libboost-filesystem1.37-dev hehe10:32
savvasaptitude makes it a bit more clear :)10:32
savvasthanks!10:34
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ahasenackhi, does anybody have an example of a postinst script that detects whether it's the first installation of a package?10:43
ahasenackI have a package with a hourly cron job whose start time I want to randomize at install time10:43
ahasenackbut I don't want to touch it in upgrades10:43
ahasenackI wouldn't want to use something as a macro (@RANDOM@) in the cron.d file and sed it in postinst because there is a window of time where the @RANDOM@ would be there, thus making the cron.d file invalid during that amount of time10:44
sorenahasenack: if $1 is "configure" and $2 is empty or undefined, then it's the first install.10:46
savvasahasenack: you could check if the file  in cron.d exists10:46
savvasoh10:46
* savvas notes :P10:46
ahasenacksoren: thanks10:47
sorenahasenack: If $1 is "configure", $2 contains the version from whence you're upgrading.10:47
savvassoren: is dpkg --compare-versions used in that case?10:47
Toadstoolahasenack: if [ ! -e $file ]; then TMP=`mktemp` ; … ; mv $TMP cron_location fi also works10:48
Toadstoolhi everybody10:48
sorensavvas: You can use dpkg --compare-versions to compare $2 to a known version string to determine if you need to do certain things during this particular upgrade, yes.10:48
ahasenackToadstool: thanks too10:48
savvascool10:48
geserToadstool: wouldn't that overwrite an admin decision to rm that cron.d file on  upgrades?10:49
sorensavvas: If, for instance, a configuration file moved in version 1.2-4ubuntu2, you can do "if dpkg --compare-versions "$2" -lt 1.2-4ubuntu2; then mv <old path> <new path> ; fi" or something like that.10:49
sorensavvas: What would belong in the preinst, though.10:51
Toadstoolgeser: hmm, well yes, good point10:51
savvasthanks soren :)10:51
Toadstoolgeser: that could be worked around using ucf, though...10:53
sorenToadstool: ucf is a completely different kettle of fish, though :)10:54
Toadstoolagreed :)10:54
ahasenackhmm, can't use $RANDOM with /bin/shj10:57
ahasenacksh10:57
sorenRight, it's a bash thing.11:02
savvasis there a special section for virtual packages / meta packages?11:04
slytherinsavvas: metapackages? I believe ubuntu-restricted-extras uses it.11:07
savvasthanks11:09
ScottKDktrKranz: Are you around?11:19
savvasis there a standard policy for dummy packages? e.g. description one-line or the detailed one?11:39
sistpoty|workhi folks11:43
slytherinsavvas: What do you mean by dummy packages? Transitional packages?11:47
slytherinNCommander: around? have question about a build failures on sparc.11:47
savvasslytherin: yes, transitional dummy packages11:47
slytherinsavvas: I don't think the description of transitional packages are treated any different way.11:48
savvasok thanks :)11:48
incorrectyay! libdb 4.7 backported to hardy12:04
slytherinwow, openjdk build on armel is sure blocking other builds. :-)12:09
directhexslytherin, yeah..... how much RAM do the buildds have?12:10
slytherindirecthex: I am not sure this is RAM problem.12:10
directhexslytherin, well, it can't help... if it needs ram into the gigs, and has barely any ram, then all the swapping won't speed it up12:11
slytherindirecthex: looks like the last successful build of openjdk also took two days, and that was on another server.12:12
directhexslytherin, does it work well on arm?12:13
slytherindirecthex: no ides, I don't have an armel machine. You should ask NCommander if he has one.12:14
* NCommander has a few ...12:14
slytherinNCommander: how many different ports do you have?12:15
slytherinI mean archs12:15
directhexi still can't see mention of NCommander without the electric six song "dance commander" running through my head12:15
NCommanderslytherin, I got a MIPS, a few ARMs, PowerPC, x86, amd64, lpia12:15
NCommandermy sh4 is MIA12:15
slytherinthat is a long list. :-)12:16
\shguys, what do we need to sync a package from debian, during FF? especially security stuff (uw-imap)12:16
slytherin\sh: if it is bug fix only then no FFE is needed.12:16
\shslytherin: so just a sync request on LP12:17
directhexNCommander, you can give the moonlight plugin a shot on them now, if they run jaunty ;)12:17
NCommanderMicrosoft compiled their codecs for ARM?12:22
directhexNCommander, nay. built against ffmpeg12:29
directhexNCommander, but i've been told by upstream that if they CAN build them (ie.. have a working build environment) then they'll add any arch people ask for12:29
NCommanderUpstream as in Microsoft?!12:29
directhexas in novell12:29
NCommanderoh12:30
directhexthe binaries are hosted on microsoft.com, but the builds are done by novell12:30
NCommanderso Novell has MS's codec code O__o;12:30
NCommanderwow ....12:30
NCommanderI'm suprised that ever leaves Seattle12:30
directhexi doubt MS want the arseache of doing it themselves12:34
directhexthey're just hosting the binaries & paying the mpeg-la fees12:34
fransmanthat got to be a remote sever at the Microsoft campus Novell is working on12:44
directhexfransman, well, no, hence the request for build servers (or tips for making qemu work)12:47
slytherinNCommander: do you think you can take a look at a build failure on sparc and provide some insight?12:50
NCommanderslytherin, the kernel on sparc is extremely broken ATM12:51
NCommanderWe have a kernel upload pending to fix it, and then glibc needs to be retried, which should make most of the stranger build failures go away12:51
slytherinNCommander: hmm, that could be reason. I saw some error in one of the linux header files.12:51
slytherinSo I will ignore the error for now and will do rebuilds later.12:51
stefanlsddholbach: for the 5-a-day stuff, all we need to do now is join the team?12:54
dholbachyes12:54
dholbachand add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Events12:54
dholbachthe stats are not quite ready yet but should be soon12:54
dholbachnothing will be lost :)12:54
nhandlerWhat team has the ability to modify http://www.ubuntu.com/community pages? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/techboard is out of date12:55
stefanlsddholbach: does it rely on the  LP id's being on that page?12:58
dholbachstefanlsd: yep, just for the bug jams12:58
stefanlsddholbach: aah ok. will do12:58
dholbachsuper12:59
james_wnhandler: bugs on ubuntu-website are the preferred way to report those sorts of issues I believe12:59
nhandlerjames_w: Ok, thanks a lot. I'll file the bug when I get back home later.13:01
fransmansavvas: why do we need, what got to be his task, the contact person you can't riches for some week for flumotion?13:18
Vest84mok0: hi, do you have a free time to review my project again? I've fixed it: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gnome-quod13:19
mok0Vest84: I will take a look later, busy right now13:20
Vest84ok, thank you in forward13:20
fransmansavvas: talking about bug 319204 btw13:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319204 in flumotion "Please package new upstream version of flumotion (universe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31920413:21
DktrKranzScottK: yes13:22
ScottKDktrKranz: I had sent you mail about the Ubuntu Release meeting today, but sistpoty|work said he'd cover it, so no worries.13:23
directhexDktrKranz, how does that changelog i posted to the md2 bug look?13:23
DktrKranzScottK: cool. I can eventually attend too13:24
DktrKranzdirecthex: I plan to look at them at a whole tonight (so I can finally install MD2 \o/)13:27
savvaslool: any update on flumotion - debian? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=47378113:29
ubottuDebian bug 473781 in flumotion "flumotion: new upstream release" [Wishlist,Open]13:29
loolsavvas: So first, 0.4.x was supposed to be a stable series and 0.5.x a devel series leading to 0.613:30
loolI believe 0.5.x would now be more easy to work with than 0.4 though13:30
loolsavvas: Second, updating packages like flumotion is very time consuming if you try to get the Depends right; it's usually easy to get it working, but ensuring that you have the proper depends for any Python module that the code might use less so13:31
loolAnd apart of that, I had no time nor interest in working on flumotion while lenny was frozen, now would be more interesting though13:32
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savvasfransman: ^ :)13:33
savvaslool: ok thanks, if you need help, I could try out and minimize the usage of packages in Depends13:33
loolI don't know; I can think of two time consuming ways to do things right; alternatively I don't care if someone picks up the package, removes my name from it, and does it empirically13:35
_rubenslightly offtopic, but does anyone has a decent Makefile syntax reference?13:45
soren_ruben: "info make"?13:48
fransmanlool: have you seen [link] because they uses them self for pbuilder13:50
fransmanhttps://code.fluendo.com/flumotion/trac/browser/flumotion/trunk/pkg13:50
loolThey started it from my packages13:51
fransmanhttps://code.fluendo.com/flumotion/trac/wiki/PbuilderUbuntu13:51
fransmanok i didn't know13:51
_rubenah .. that brought me to "the gnu make manual" .. which seems to a very decent doc13:51
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DktrKranznhandler: I just sent a mail to MC to formally add you to motu-release team14:21
kpircI am looking for a reviewer for my 'cadabra' package on REVU. Any takers?14:24
directhexwoo for nhandler?14:24
directhexkpirc, which language is it in?14:24
kpircdirecthex: C++14:24
directhexpass14:24
stefanlsddholbach: is that tag anything special?  gbj-za-0902 , or gbj-johannesburg-0902?14:27
dholbachstefanlsd: should be all fine - just pick anything similar to the others on Bugs/Events14:27
dholbachstefanlsd: talk about it on  #ubuntu-bugs ?14:28
stefanlsddholbach: kk14:28
stefanlsdoh right :)14:28
dholbachstefanlsd: that's where the bug and bug jam action is going on :)14:28
bddebianHeya gang14:43
geserHi bddebian14:49
bddebianHeya geser14:49
slytherinpersia: I wonder why netbeans has not yet cleared the queue14:55
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sistpoty|worksiretart: new faucc on spooky:~sistpoty/faumachine15:20
siretartsistpoty|work: what about faumachine? unchanged?15:27
sistpoty|worksiretart: just adding the versioned build-dep there, give me a minute please ;)15:27
siretartok. building faucc...15:28
sistpoty|worksiretart: thanks... faumachine is now also on spooky15:32
siretartsistpoty|work: building...15:36
sistpoty|worksiretart: thanks! (crossing thumbs that this indeed fixes it on i386)15:37
MaduserTrIs there a way to have a debian/watch where the version is not in the href?15:38
siretartsistpoty|work: well, it seems that at least as no longer exists with exit code 1 :-)15:43
siretartstill building though...15:43
savvastransitional dummy packages have 'Architecture: all', right?15:43
sistpoty|worksiretart: :) (and yes, it does take ages :/)15:43
savvasMaduserTr: no, not usually - in such cases, it's good to contact the administrator or the author to create uwatch-friendlier links :)15:45
savvasMaduserTr: can you show us the link and the debian/uwatch file you have?15:46
MaduserTrThe link is http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tested15:46
MaduserTrand they changed because of trafik some days ago, (before it was a link)15:47
savvasMaduserTr: you could use get-orig-source in the debian/rules - but I have never tried it15:48
MaduserTrsavvas: thanks i will search and try15:48
savvasMaduserTr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Examples/ChangingTheOrigTarball15:50
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orciI remember reading somewhere that Shuttleworth made a comment that the desktop is not viable for ubuntu. Does this mean that Ubuntu will aim servers primarily in the near future?16:01
* RainCT has just bought an ubuntu certified PC.. the sticker looks nice :)16:02
* directhex certifies his laptop for ubuntu directhex edition16:03
RainCT150€ box.. works like a charm :)16:03
sistpoty|workthanks siretart, just got the accepted mail :)16:05
siretart:)16:07
__ironhi RainCT16:07
__ironjust time for pm16:07
__iron?16:07
RainCTHi __iron16:11
RainCTSure16:11
orcisorry wrong channel?16:14
__ironorci: try #ubuntu16:14
orci__iron, unfortunately #ubuntu is useless most of the time. But thanks, I'll try another channel16:16
__ironmotu is dev-channel16:16
DktrKranzdholbach: hi, mind adding nhandler to motu-release team? See also https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002029.html16:16
dholbachDktrKranz: I'm not on the MC16:18
dholbachsoren: ^ can you help there?16:19
sorendholbach: hm?16:19
sorenOh.16:19
sorenEr.. Sure.16:19
DktrKranzdholbach: oh... already dropped your role?16:19
dholbachthe TB and CC are still discussing the MC election16:20
sorenDktrKranz, dholbach, nhandler: Done.16:20
dholbachDktrKranz: so I can lay back and let soren do the work16:20
sorendholbach: We miss you! :)16:20
dholbachalready?16:20
sorenSince before you left, dude.16:21
* DktrKranz hugs soren and hugs dholbach for past, awesome, MC work16:21
* dholbach hugs y'all back :)16:21
dholbachThe Ubuntu Community - where hugging comes first!16:21
dholbach:-D16:22
DktrKranzdholbach: do you miss mass-hugs, don't you? Be prepared for next UDS ;)16:22
dholbach:-)16:22
dholbachDktrKranz: it's much more fun if you don't prepare :)16:22
DktrKranzheh16:23
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savvaswhat was that file that they list packages and architectures that are blocked from being built?16:35
savvasI remember seeing it somewhere online on debian.org16:35
sorensavvas: http://buildd.debian.org/quinn-diff/Packages-arch-specific16:38
maxbsoren, savvas: btw, Soyuz currently uses an out-of-date version16:40
sorenmaxb: How can you tell?16:41
savvasmaxb: I got a heavy lag for some reason, did any reply to my question?16:41
soren16:38:59 < soren> savvas: http://buildd.debian.org/quinn-diff/Packages-arch-specific16:41
savvas17:35:23 < savvas> what was that file that they list packages and architectures that are blocked from being  built?16:41
savvascool, thanks soren :)16:41
sorenSure.16:41
maxbsoren: by asking the admins on #launchpad16:41
maxbbug 31657916:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 316579 in soyuz "Soyuz needs to switch to obtaining Packages-arch-specific from non-obsolete source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31657916:42
sorenmaxb: Just now?16:42
maxbback when I filed that bug16:42
sorenmaxb: That's useful info. Thanks.16:42
maxbfortunately it appears milestoned for a fix soon16:42
savvashm.. %i8kutils: i386      # Dell (i386) laptop utils16:59
=== iulian changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Jaunty Feature Freeze in effect - Go fix bugs! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Fix RC bugs: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs | Help to clear NBS list: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/
iulian(removed the MOTU meeting part)17:03
iulianThe next meeting was TBD so we don't want to have it in the topic if we didn't schedule one.17:04
savvaslooks like i8kutils can be built on amd64 as well: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=48093817:11
ubottuDebian bug 480938 in i8kutils "i8kutils: Should be built for amd64" [Wishlist,Open]17:12
stefanlsdKarmic Koala17:12
stefanlsdhehe17:12
savvasGrumping Groundhog? :p17:15
kpircI need a reviewer for my 'cadabra' package on revu. Any takers? (it's a computer algebra system)17:16
phaidroshi, can I tell prevu to use a different arch then the host system?17:33
RainCTyay, UDS in Barcelona :)17:35
iulianKarmic... sounds cool :)17:47
phaidrosany hints on setting arch with prevu?17:47
phaidrosI want to backport x86 packages on an amd64 host ..17:48
phaidrosis that doable ?17:48
loic-mphaidros: should be ok as long as they don't use assembler code17:54
loic-mDon't know much about prevu though17:54
maxbprevu's mostly a simple frontend for pbuilder. If you're getting into that sort of advanced territory, you probably want to use pbuilder directly (or better still cowbuilder)17:55
jdongphaidros: you can use a linux32 chroot17:59
RainCTor pbuilder-dist/cowbuiler-dist :)17:59
jdongother than that, no, prevu doesn't have built-in support for i386 pbuilders on amd64.17:59
slytheringeser: just FYI ... libjboss-buildmagic-java really seems to have circular build dep.18:00
phaidrosjdong: thanks.18:05
* sistpoty|work heads home... cya18:22
savvasoops, I think I made a mistake with bug #190247 - we aren't supposed to touch the status once sponsors are subscribed, right?18:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 190247 in bcel "Can do more than suggest libxerces2-java-doc" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19024718:57
savvasI subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors and then set it as "in progress"18:57
slytherinkhashayar: there? I have question about celt.18:59
goshawkhi19:23
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RainCThi :)19:28
=== mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz
weboideHi, what can I do (except hit my head with my keyboard) when there's already a package with the same source name in the repos as the package I'm working on?19:59
slytherinweboide: which package is that?20:03
weboideslytherin: I'm working on eina (a music player) and in debian experimental there is source package eina already.20:04
weboideslytherin: eina (debian) is a lib.20:04
slytherinweboide: you rename your package to something like eina-player20:05
slytherinweboide: meanwhile make sure upstream knows that they are using and already used project name20:05
weboideslytherin: that's what I thought but there would be issues with the directory name in the orig.tar.gz, would I have to rename that too?20:05
weboideslytherin: the best way is that upstream changes the name...20:06
weboideslytherin: right?20:06
slytherinweboide: yes20:06
weboideslytherin: but the thing is it seems that the debian eina appeared afterwards...20:07
slytherinweboide: have you checked first release dates for both projects?20:07
weboideslytherin: no, but I am now. Debian eina appears to be Enlightenment libraries.20:09
a|wen-savvas: AFAIK you should make sure it is set to confirmed, with no assignee when subscribing ubuntu-*-sponsors20:10
savvasa|wen-: ok, I'll set it back now20:11
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slytherinslomo: gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10 source is nothing but a copy of gst-plugins-ugly0.10 source, right?20:29
weboideslytherin: ha, I found eina (player) back in 2004!20:29
slytherin:-)20:29
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anderskI have a debdiff for Intrepid's open-vm-tools that fixes bug 289921, bug 306835, and bug 302226.  Should I keep adding fixes to the one debdiff, or do I need to post separate debdiffs for each bug?20:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289921 in open-vm-tools "network interface does not come up after installing open-vm-tools" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28992120:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 306835 in open-vm-tools "vmware-guestd crashing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30683520:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302226 in open-vm-tools "vmware-user doesn't autostart" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30222620:41
sistpotyandersk: one debdiff is preferred20:42
anderskGreat.  Thanks.20:43
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silas428Is C essential to developing for Ubuntu, or can I use other languages?20:47
mrooneysilas428: it is not at all! many desktop things are done in Python20:48
mrooneyand if you are writing your own app, you can use pretty much anything20:48
mrooneyC#, Vala20:48
silas428My programming skills aren't good enough to program my own apps20:48
silas428How about fixing bugs etc?20:48
DaSkreechHello20:48
mrooneysilas428: for fixing bugs, you will just be limited to fixing non-C bugs20:49
silas428mrooney: where can I find some python desktop things? I have done some reading on python20:49
DaSkreechIs there any chan for the Aluetian islands?20:49
mrooneysilas428: however looking at bitesize C bugs might be on your level and could help you learn20:49
silas428Do the intro programming books help any for fixing bugs?20:50
silas428or learning to fix bugs20:50
DaSkreechI don't think there are any for the chukcha language20:50
mrooneysilas428: I'd check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek20:51
mrooneyfor example the second Wed talk20:51
mrooneyalso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek is likely to be helpful20:52
silas428thanks20:54
DaSkreechI've never even heard of chukcha before :-(20:55
Vest84guys, I've found in the internet the next lines: Clutter and Cluttermm packages are probably available from your Linux distribution. For instance, on Ubuntu Linux or Debian you can install the libcluttermm-0.9-dev package But there is no packages with this name in packages.ubuntu.com21:47
Vest84do you know they exist?21:47
rexbrontseliot: Is there a particular reason why the dontzap class is part of the cli gui?21:50
rexbronor cli interface rather21:50
tseliotrexbron: what's the problem?21:56
tseliotrexbron: the methods in that class are used to talk to kubuntu's control panel (which is written in C++)21:59
rexbrontseliot: Ubuntu Studio is looking at disabling the dontzap option by default and want to provide a gui method to enable it if users so desire. Since dontzap is written in python and so is ubuntstudio-controls, I was looking at calling the dontzap methods directly from there  rather than creating a subshell22:09
tseliotrexbron: you can copy that class then and depend on python-xkit.22:13
tseliotThe implementation in Kubuntu calls it from the command line and it works well though22:13
tseliotthe Python class is only a few lines22:14
directhexVest84, not in the archive - even jaunty has only 0.822:17
Vest84directhex: so, you mean the information is wrong?22:19
directhexVest84, seems so.22:19
Vest84take a look please22:19
Vest84http://www.openismus.com/documents/cluttermm_tutorial/0.9/docs/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html22:19
Vest84directhex: what do you think ab. it?22:20
rexbrontseliot: I'm pushing a branch that has DontZap factored out as a module and has the dontzap script import it22:21
RainCTScottK-desktop or some other Kubuntu guy: in Jaunty there is no system-config-printer-kde executable anymore. I guess this is normal and now it can only be launched from some control panel?22:22
ScottKRainCT: I don't recall.22:23
* ScottK looks at JontheEchidna.22:23
JontheEchidnaIt's launchable from System Settings now22:23
tseliotrexbron: ok, I'll have a look at it ASAP (it's night here)22:24
JontheEchidnaIt's in the Advanced tab iirc22:24
RainCTOkay, thanks. Just to be sure that it isn't missing :)22:24
rexbrontseliot: I hope I'm not misunderstanding you but asap usually refers to very quickly and I think you are implying "when I can"22:25
JontheEchidnaIt might be better placed in the Computer Administration section instead of the System section in the advanced tab..22:25
nemowhat the heck happened to libsdl-net1.2-dev in jaunty?22:25
nemoand libsdl-net1.2 for that matter22:25
rexbrontseliot: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rexbron/dontzap/trunk.dontzap_as_module22:27
tseliotrexbron: yes, it's more like "when I can". It's been a rather stressing period and I have to fix a nasty bug (which has the highest priority now)22:27
rexbrontseliot: is there anyone else who could look at that branch? bryce is listed as a contributer22:28
tseliotrexbron: he reviewed my code but he might be very busy too22:30
rexbrontseliot: I can ask :)22:30
tseliotok22:30
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nemoeek. you guys got rid of fpc too :(22:31
tseliotrexbron: on a second thought (now that I can see the diff) I think I can have a look at it tomorrow. It shouldn't take long22:32
tseliotwell, tomorrow in Italy ;)22:33
tseliot(the time zone)22:34
nemohm. restoring the Ibex packages seems to work fine. I wonder why they were removed22:35
rexbrontseliot: thanks!22:35
tseliotrexbron: np. Good night22:36
nemofrig. no a52dec-dev either22:49
maxbnemo: removal reasons should be given on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackagename>22:52
maxbsdl-net1.2 is still there in jaunty22:54
maxbfpc is still there in jaunty22:54
maxba52dec is still there in jaunty22:54
maxbnemo: I call pilot error :-)22:55
nemomaxb: hmmmm22:55
nemomaxb: where are you finding these?22:55
nemofor i38622:55
maxbhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/a52dec22:55
maxbhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fpc22:55
maxbhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sdl-net1.222:55
nemosource packages are there, yes :)22:55
maxbWell... if the binaries have gone missing, that's worrying22:56
nemomaxb: if you drill down to i386, only binaries listed for all these are Intrepid22:57
nemomaxb: I've been slowly adding the intrepid ones by hand, one at a time.22:57
nemowhich was working out ok, right up until I ran into fp-units-multimedia which wanted a52dec-dev22:57
nemowhich I can't seem to find even an Intrepid package of, oddly.22:57
nemomaxb: certainly they aren't in the repository22:58
nemowhich is pretty nutty for libsdl-net I have to say22:58
maxbso, um, I can see libsdl-net1.2 in jaunty i386 and amd64 Packages file23:01
maxbSo what's the problem?23:01
nemoIf I go to:23:01
nemohttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/libsdl-net1.2/1.2.7-223:01
nemothe only downloadable file was for hardy RELEASE23:02
nemois this ok?23:02
maxbyes23:02
nemoif so, I must be missing something more fundamental about package management in ubuntu23:02
nemodo I need to enable some hardy repo in order to install all this in Jaunty?23:02
maxbNo23:02
nemo'cause the default repo said that libsdl-net1.2 wasn't available23:02
maxbbad mirror?23:03
nemono. said it was literally not available.23:03
maxbWell, it is available23:03
nemomasked or whatever. not familiar with the terminology precisely23:03
nemoanyway. so I installed off of the link above, the Hardy package23:04
nemobut. let me remove it, try reinstalling, and get the precise error23:04
maxbThat's a kludgy way to do it23:04
nemodidn't say I knew this stuff...23:04
nemoPackkage libsdl-net1.2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.23:04
nemoThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source23:05
maxbapt-get update23:05
nemothat seems an odd reason given I just updated to Jaunty minutes ago :)23:05
* nemo does it anyway23:05
nemoand heck. why'd it uninstall 'em in the first place on update, unless they had been obsoleted23:07
nemoI had a functioning libsdl-net1.2-dev which I let it uninstall thinking I had to perhaps install libsdl-net1.3 or somesuch23:07
nemomaxb: *sigh* you were right :(23:09
maxbO:-)23:09
nemonow why didn't it do that *FOR* me :-p23:10
directhexdear firefox, of all the times to crash, when i click "confirm booking" is not one of them. no love, directhex23:15
nemodirecthex: can I see the crash stack from about:crashes ?23:15
nemowant to see if flash or java might have been at fault.23:16
nemo'course could be just some buggy plugin you have :)23:16
nemoer. extension.23:16
directhexThe URL is not valid and cannot be loaded.23:16
directhexThis booking has already been made. If you feel this is wrong please contact us at the phone number at the bottom of this page.23:19
directhexcould be worse23:19
mok0karmic koala!23:19
nemoheh23:20
nemohm. now why on earth is Qt sucking up 100% of my CPU in Jaunty23:20
nemolaptop is just churning away23:20
* nemo checks to see what libqt packages changed23:21
nemogreat. 4.5.0 :-/23:21
nemoguess I can forcibly revert to Ibex on those23:21
geniiHi, is launchpad currently down? Trying to participate in the BugJam but keep getting "try reloading"23:38
JontheEchidnanah, it's still up. It's just doing that more than often23:39
mrooneygenii: #launchpad  would be the appropriate place to inquire, and it is a known issue :)23:39
JontheEchidna*more than usual23:40
geniimrooney: Great, thanks23:40
nemolooks like I'm running into http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=17332823:43
nemoI suppose I should file it as a Jaunty bug too, as a warning to others :)23:43
nemohm. n/m. that can't be the right bug.23:43
nemowrong reason23:44
nemoright place, wrong reason :)23:44
nemooh well. enough whinging in here. I didn't actually have any *ubuntu* problems that an update couldn't fix. later y'all23:46
mrooneyAny idea why my Intrepid package is saying "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python-central"23:51
goshawkfor an ubuntu-security member: bug #292923 have been solved in jaunty with the next version 1.2.4 . This version is just a security fix, i think it could be backported to intrepid too..23:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 292923 in libphp-snoopy "CVE-2008-4796: missing input sanitising" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29292323:56

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