[00:00] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech am noob. how do i ping?
[00:00] <luc_> no, nothing was mentioned in thhe manual, it`s a i know the game very well, i should be able to open it to tweaaaak the gamesetings
[00:01] <DaSkreech> ping security.ubuntu.com
[00:01] <DaSkreech> luc_: what's your username ?
[00:01] <luc_> luc
[00:02] <DaSkreech> open a konsole an type in sudo chown -R luc:luc /path/to/cs/server
[00:02] <DaSkreech> root: Don't IRC as root
[00:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Do you get a response or no?
[00:03] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech  in firefox the site does not yet show up
[00:03] <luc_> like a terminnnnal or the run command from the menu
[00:03] <ubuntu__> it says connecting to
[00:04] <miik> the next release will be called Kubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackalope", and the next one after that will be called Kubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala"
[00:04] <miik> so then I will be running Kubuntu Karmic Koala (KKK)
[00:04] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: No on the konsole you are chrooted into type ping security.ubuntu.com It should come back with a listing of times
[00:04] <DaSkreech> Otherwise it will be quiet
[00:04] <DaSkreech> quiet is bad
[00:04] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech unknown host
[00:04] <DaSkreech> miik: ^_^ Good observation
[00:05] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech it says the same for ping google.com
[00:05] <miik> yeah, i saw it on slashdot lol
[00:05] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: ping 194.9.77.5
[00:05] <Guest44345> hola
[00:05] <austin_> i need help installing lmms....anyone?
[00:06] <DaSkreech> Guest44345: dont IRC as root
[00:06] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech zes
[00:06] <ubuntu__> yez
[00:06] <ubuntu__> yes
[00:06] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: That comes back with something?
[00:06] <Guest44345> hola
[00:06] <ubuntu__> Guest44345 Hola, existev ubuntu-es
[00:06] <DaSkreech> hola Guest44345
[00:06] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech yes, with some ms
[00:06] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: pastebin cat /etc/resolv.conf
[00:06] <ubuntu__> 64 bztes from ....   xx ms
[00:08] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech>http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120794/
[00:10] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech> but it looked different when i was really on that system and tried sudo apt-get update  upgrate and dist-u[grade.  it showd many packages but then it sai 0 installed 0 reinstalled 0 deleted
[00:10] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: how do you get your network connectin ?
[00:11] <alpha7> anybody here use SCANNER!?
[00:11] <alpha7> i have a erro ' failed to start scanner : error during device i/o'
[00:11] <ubuntu__> ethernet cable
[00:11] <ubuntu__> to a cable modem
[00:12] <ubuntu__> wireless does not work on the live cd
[00:12] <alpha7> usb
[00:13] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: in the konsole do sudo dhclient then see if cat /etc/resolv.conf has changed
[00:13] <DaSkreech> alpha7: Does the scanner turn up in sudo lsusb ?
[00:14] <alpha7> wait so i have to type sudo lsusb?
[00:14] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech>   /proc/net/dev: No such file or directory
[00:15] <alpha7> DaSkreech http://paste.ubuntu.com/120798/
[00:15] <DaSkreech> alpha7: you don't HAVE to but it would be helpful
[00:15] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Of course
[00:15] <DaSkreech> can you browse in firefox on the live cd ?
[00:15] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120799/
[00:16] <compilerwriter> DaSkreech now it is complaining about missing KDE Headers
[00:16] <compilerwriter> where might I find them
[00:16] <alpha7> DaSkreech so what now?
[00:16] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech yes, that|s how im accessing the pastebin
[00:16] <alpha7> its a a 1.1 root hub
[00:17] <jordan_> is there a way to "fool" ubuntu using a different driver then your printer you own?
[00:17] <alpha7> I really need to scan this document off to someone
[00:18] <DaSkreech> compilerwriter: kde3 correct ?
[00:18] <alpha7> i 've try all scanners programs and its giving error
[00:18] <DaSkreech> !scanner | alpha7
[00:18] <alpha7> device busy or someone bs
[00:18] <DaSkreech> ubottu:
[00:18] <compilerwriter> DaSkreech probably I am using KDE 4 at moment though.  Perhaps I need to reinstall the headers for KDE 3
[00:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Of course :-) I forgot what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say from the Live CD? Does it have a line with a ip address ?
[00:19] <DaSkreech> !info kdelibs4-dev
[00:19] <DaSkreech> compilerwriter: ^^^
[00:20] <compilerwriter> Thanks DaSkreech
[00:20] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech> two lines callec nameserver and each having a distinct ip nu,mber
[00:20] <ubuntu__> starting with 62.42
[00:20] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: copy those to your chroot /etc
[00:21] <DaSkreech> you can just nano /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot
[00:22] <DaSkreech> blessedbeef!
[00:22] <ubuntu__> ok
[00:22] <ubuntu__> done
[00:22] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: try the sudo apt-get update now
[00:23] <ubuntu__> ok
[00:23] <ubuntu__> running
[00:23] <DaSkreech> then install kubuntu-desktop
[00:24] <ubuntu__> first line still says  sudo unable to resolve host ubuntu
[00:24] <ubuntu__> and now it|s stuck at 99 per cent
[00:25] <DaSkreech> ok run the update again when done
[00:25] <DaSkreech> just to be sure
[00:25] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech its stuck here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120801/
[00:25] <DaSkreech> ctrl+c
[00:26] <DaSkreech> then run it again
[00:26] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech could not connect errors
[00:27] <ubuntu__> i ran it again. first line> unable to resolve host ubuntu
[00:27] <DaSkreech> hmm
[00:27] <DaSkreech> can you ping google.com ?
[00:28] <compilerwriter> Well DaSkreech I have gotten as far as being told to start make.  Now I am getting all sorts of compiler warnings but so far no aborts.
[00:29] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech zes
[00:29] <ubuntu__> yes
[00:29] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: but can't ping security.ubuntu.com ?
[00:29] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120802/
[00:29] <ubuntu__> dunno, who do i cancel running ping_
[00:29] <ubuntu__> ?
[00:30] <DaSkreech> ctrl+c
[00:30] <ubuntu__> no, no ping
[00:30] <DaSkreech> urk
[00:31] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech maybe server down
[00:31] <DaSkreech> well that might explain a lot
[00:31] <DaSkreech> maybe
[00:31] <ubuntu__> but i tried it before
[00:31] <DaSkreech> try ping a differnt region
[00:31] <DaSkreech> can you ping ubuntu.com ?
[00:32] <ubuntu__> from konosle and it was not THAT problem. but it said that it did not install any new packages nor did it reinstall. so all was up to date
[00:32] <ubuntu__> ubuntu.com pings back
[00:32] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: or it couldn't see the server and didn't download anything
[00:33] <ubuntu__> but it had not said unable to find it, like now
[00:33] <DaSkreech> can you ping archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:34] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech   and after entering sudo apt.get install kubuntu-desktop it showed all the packages to be installed  liker okular and konqueror but said it wont install. and last line  E broken packages
[00:34] <ubuntu__> zes
[00:34] <ubuntu__> yes
[00:34] <ubuntu__> i can ping archivr.ubuntu.com
[00:34] <DaSkreech> ok I'm trying to get back to that to find out what is broken
[00:35] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: but not security? hmm lets take that out
[00:35] <DaSkreech> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:35] <ubuntu__> tough it sazs 64 bytes from prat.cannonical.com  and not archive.ubuntu.com
[00:35] <DaSkreech> put a # in front of lines that have security.ubuntu.com
[00:36] <DaSkreech> save and then sudo apt-get update
[00:38] <ubuntu__> in front of all the three?
[00:38] <draik_> DaSkreech: I have finished clearing up some space on a 500GB external. That should suffice the space for /home and /etc per your earlier request.
[00:38] <DaSkreech> any line that says security.ubuntu.com
[00:39] <DaSkreech> draik_: backup
[00:40] <draik_> Any particular manner?
[00:40] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120807/
[00:40] <draik_> cp ~ /media/500GB ?
[00:43] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech  all this is not the kernel, is it? because at startup it offers me also to boot from the previous kernel. this would not change a thing would it?
[00:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Shouldn't
[00:43] <ubuntu__> damn
[00:43] <DaSkreech> draik_: cp -Ra
[00:44] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: install kubuntu-desktop
[00:44] <draik_> DaSkreech: What about the apps I have installed?
[00:44] <DaSkreech> draik_: you did any custom installs ?
[00:44] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech does not work. i told ypu
[00:45] <DaSkreech> ok pastebin that
[00:45] <draik_> DaSkreech: Frostwire and virtualbox, IIRC
[00:45] <draik_> Uplink, too
[00:45] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120809/
[00:46] <DaSkreech> draik_: those aren't really custom
[00:46] <draik_> Sorry, don't know what you mean by custom then, DaSkreech
[00:46] <ubuntu__> that was also the erro i got before on console without live cd
[00:47] <asobi> anyway for amarok to calculate total length of collection without having to insert collection into playlist?
[00:47] <draik_> DaSkreech: Do I have to be root for the cp?
[00:47] <DaSkreech> draik_: only if you restricted /media/500GB to root only
[00:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: good
[00:48] <ubuntu__> good?
[00:48] <draik_> DaSkreech: I'm on the LiveCD
[00:48] <ubuntu__> i  cant use my computer anymore and i cant recover it be reinstalling kde and thats good???
[00:48] <DaSkreech> draik_: actually wih -a it makes no difference
[00:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: good that I'm sure this is exactly what you were seein
[00:48] <ubuntu__> im near breakdown here
[00:49] <ubuntu__> ah
[00:49] <DaSkreech>  what happens when you do suo apt-get install ark ?
[00:49] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech unable to resolve host ubuntu
[00:50] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech and also E broken Packages
[00:50] <DaSkreech> >_<
[00:50] <DaSkreech> you seem to have a network issue
[00:50] <ubuntu__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120811/
[00:51] <ubuntu__> but i can connect to irc here on live cd and surf with firefox
[00:51] <DaSkreech> That's the live cd not your install
[00:51] <ubuntu__> ok
[00:51] <ubuntu__> and what can i do?
[00:52] <ubuntu__> but i can ping many sites
[00:52] <DaSkreech> i know
[00:52] <DaSkreech> trying to figure it out
[00:53] <ubuntu__> i can even do lynx google.com  on the installed system
[00:53] <ubuntu__> ok
[00:53] <ubuntu__> thank you, DaSkreech
[00:53] <DaSkreech> can you sudo apt-get install yakuake on the live cd ?
[00:54] <draik_> DaSkreech: I got a few Input/output errors from cp.
[00:55] <draik_> DaSkreech: cannot acces, cannot stat
[00:55] <ubuntu__> no
[00:55] <ubuntu__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120813/
[00:55] <DaSkreech> draik_: ok
[00:55] <ubuntu__> but it does not say that host cannot be resolved
[00:55] <ubuntu__> mazbe some authentication issue?
[00:56] <ubuntu__> maybe
[00:56] <ubuntu__> here it only says package not found
[00:56] <DaSkreech> try irssi
[00:56] <DaSkreech> oh right
[00:56] <ubuntu__> downloading
[00:56] <DaSkreech> do sudo apt-get update first :-)
[00:56] <DaSkreech> hmm
[00:56] <DaSkreech> ok
[00:56] <DaSkreech> soooooo
[00:56] <ubuntu__> downloaded and installed irssi
[00:56] <DaSkreech> something is issuing with the install?
[00:57] <ubuntu__> also i had to install xchat before
[00:57] <DaSkreech> ok try that from the chroot
[00:57] <ubuntu__> issuing?
[00:57] <ubuntu__> whcih xchat or irssi?
[00:57] <DaSkreech> irssi
[00:58] <draik_> DaSkreech: Is that ok? What should I do to make sure the copy is successful without issues?
[00:58] <ubuntu__> irsii downloading
[00:58] <DaSkreech> serious?
[00:58] <ubuntu__> but an error
[00:59] <ubuntu__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120816/
[00:59] <DaSkreech> draik_: at the end du -sh the copy and the original
[00:59] <greger> hi, installed kubuntu and tried to upgrade, bad things happend, apt-errors, what do i do now
[00:59] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech and still the unable to resolve host ubuntu message
[01:00] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: thats what I mean abou issuing
[01:00] <ubuntu__> on the installed kubuntu, none on live cd konsole
[01:01] <ubuntu__> on installed it issued it and said it cannot write log as soemthing is not mounted. but it appears to have installed itssi
[01:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:03] <draik_> DaSkreech: Input/output errors when I try to du -sh the original
[01:04] <DaSkreech> draik_: >_<
[01:04] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120817/
[01:04] <DaSkreech> ok do a fsck on the drive
[01:04] <draik_> The original drive is at /mnt
[01:04] <ubuntu__> i suppose that was fro draik
[01:05] <draik_> DaSkreech: sudo fsck /mnt         is that right?
[01:07] <draik_> DaSkreech: sudo fsck /dev/sda1  ----------- fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda1
[01:07] <DaSkreech> draik_: /dev
[01:07] <DaSkreech> draik_: Woah
[01:07] <DaSkreech> the filesystem has a discrepancy
[01:08] <draik_> It's also ext3 if that matters
[01:08] <DaSkreech> fsck.ext3 then
[01:08] <draik_> OK
[01:08] <draik_> Same
[01:08] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: ok I have no idea why you are getting that ubuntu ca't resolve error
[01:09] <DaSkreech> draik_: Yeah the filesystem expects to be a certain size and it's not reporting that
[01:09] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech and that includes that theres no way to get the system back up?
[01:09] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: I don't know yet I can't figure out what's wrong
[01:10] <ubuntu__> ok
[01:10] <DaSkreech> so sudo apt-get install irssi works but sudo apt-get install kwrite doesn't work ?
[01:10] <ubuntu__> i ll trz kwrite
[01:10] <ubuntu__> as you say it
[01:10] <ubuntu__> unmet dependencies
[01:11] <ubuntu__> and broken packages
[01:11] <ubuntu__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120818/
[01:14] <DaSkreech> can you install kdebase-runtime ?
[01:14] <ubuntu__> no
[01:14] <ubuntu__> same error
[01:15] <DaSkreech> unmet dependinces?
[01:15] <ubuntu__> yes
[01:15] <ubuntu__> and broken packages
[01:15] <ubuntu__> and unable to resolve host
[01:15] <compilerwriter> Well DaSkreech I somehow clobbered my existing installation.  Hopefully I can simply uninstall and reinstall the package and get back on track.
[01:16] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech    kdebase-runtime: Depends: kde-icons-oxygen (>= 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:16] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:16] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech but seems i can install these icons
[01:17] <DaSkreech> can you install kdebase-runtime after that?
[01:17] <ubuntu__> 0 upgraded, 1 newlz installed  2 to remove
[01:17] <ubuntu__> ok, ill proceed then and see if i can
[01:18] <ubuntu__> yes
[01:18] <ubuntu__> 19 mb
[01:18] <ubuntu__> though still issuing host resolution problem
[01:19] <ubuntu__> and no logfiel writing possible as to something not being mounted
[01:19] <ubuntu__> /dev/pts
[01:19] <DaSkreech> yeah I know the log file
[01:19] <draik_> DaSkreech: I thought of something...
[01:19] <DaSkreech> you have no /dev so it can't write
[01:19] <ubuntu__> so nothing to worry about?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> thats fine
[01:19] <ubuntu__> ok
[01:19] <draik_> the 500GB still has space for the backup if I revert back to the way it was
[01:19] <ubuntu__> its installed now
[01:19] <DaSkreech> it will go away on reboot
[01:20] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:20] <ubuntu__> now install kde-desktop?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> try ark
[01:20] <ubuntu__> works
[01:20] <DaSkreech> try kubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <draik_> DaSkreech: What if I put the space of 350GB back onto the 500GB, format the 1TB, then copy over the contents from /home and /etc from the partition?
[01:20] <ubuntu__> ldconfi deferred processing now taking place is no error?
[01:20] <ubuntu__> its the last it says
[01:21] <DaSkreech> draik_: maybe I'm not ruling out the drive dying
[01:21] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech ok, says unmet dep. phonon=backend=xine  i will try installing it first
[01:22] <DaSkreech> ok try something smaller try kdebase-plasma
[01:22] <DaSkreech> right
[01:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:22] <ubuntu__> palsma depends on many others
[01:23] <ubuntu__> kdebase-runtime for example
[01:23] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:23] <DaSkreech> go lower
[01:24] <ubuntu__> tried kdebase-runtime  and it tells me again kde-icons-oxzgen needed
[01:24] <ubuntu__> but i just installed them
[01:25] <ubuntu__> installing again says 0 of 13 MB must be dowloaded
[01:25] <DaSkreech> ooook
[01:25] <ubuntu__> im walking in circles
[01:25] <ubuntu__> hum
[01:25] <ubuntu__> but now kdebase-runtime worked
[01:25] <ubuntu__> what now?
[01:26] <draik_> I have no problem returning the drive and getting a new one
[01:26] <ubuntu__> ay, my head is aching. 2 26 am here  ...
[01:27] <DaSkreech> try konqueror
[01:27] <draik_> From the sound/look of things, I would agree with you DaSkreech. It may be dying even though it's 2 weeks old to the day.
[01:27] <DaSkreech> draik_: return it under warranty
[01:28] <draik_> DaSkreech: I also know that new =/= perfect.
[01:28] <draik_> Once this backup is done, I'm going to format the HDD and then return it
[01:28] <ubuntu__> for each package there are many unmet dependencies also for konqueror
[01:29] <ubuntu__> im losing overview
[01:30] <ubuntu__> and the kde-icons-oxygen i have installed now three times
[01:31] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Something is seriously wrong
[01:31] <DaSkreech> run irssi
[01:31] <DaSkreech> see if it's installed
[01:31] <DaSkreech> irssi -c irc.frenode.net
[01:32] <ubuntu__> ok, managed to get to install some packages, one of them three times, one twice - xine
[01:32] <ubuntu__> now i got konqueror to be installed
[01:33] <DaSkreech> oook
[01:33] <ubuntu__> kdebase-data kdebase=bin, and kdebase-runtime too
[01:34] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: are they in /var/cache/apt/archives try ls /var/cache/apt/archives/k*
[01:34] <ubuntu__> yes
[01:34] <m_tadeu> hi all....can anyone confirm if gmail is down?
[01:35] <DaSkreech> ok try sudo apt-get install --download-only kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <ubuntu__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120820/
[01:36] <ubuntu__> does not work
[01:36] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120821/
[01:36] <ubuntu__> i alreadz installed phonon backend xine twice now
[01:37] <ubuntu__> i try thir time
[01:37] <ubuntu__> third
[01:38] <ubuntu__> no
[01:38] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/120824/
[01:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Do you know how to use irssi ?
[01:42] <ubuntu__> no
[01:42] <ubuntu__> what is it?
[01:43] <ubuntu__> am pretty noob
[01:43] <DaSkreech> it's a irc client
[01:43] <DaSkreech>  in your chroot type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[01:45] <shelby> I installed Kubuntu 8.10 and on restart I get GRUB Loading Stage 1.5 Error 2, then it freezes. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: when it connects try typing /join #kubuntu
[01:46] <ubuntu__> i should use irssii
[01:46] <ubuntu__> ?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> Try it
[01:46] <DaSkreech> irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[01:47] <DaSkreech> then /join #kubuntu
[01:47] <shelby> Can anyone help me?
[01:47] <Steely> very quick question ... i tried upgrading the 8.10 release to 4.2 a couple weeks ago using the ppa version and ran into several problems with dependencies such as plasma3, has all this been sorted out since ?
[01:47] <ubuntu__> how do i exit. i had already tried opening it without server option
[01:48] <ubuntu__> ctrl c doesnt work
[01:48] <m_tadeu> Steely: if your talking about some plasmoids, nop
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Steely: I guess
[01:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: /quit
[01:49] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: or just type /server irc.freenode.net
[01:49] <Steely> it was more than plasmoids, i ended up with at least a desktop but without title bars and keyboard no longer worked
[01:49] <m_tadeu> Steely: all the rest is working just fine ;)
[01:49] <root> am in
[01:49] <m_tadeu> I'm using it for some weeks now
[01:50] <ubuntu__> root is me
[01:50] <DaSkreech> root: ok
[01:50] <Guest34716> so i have netowork here
[01:50] <Steely> thank you m_tadeu , so just remove plasmoids before that upgrade and all should be fine, btw alpha 4 is looking very promising
[01:50] <Guest34716> mz name was changed
[01:51] <Guest34716> i used to be root
[01:51] <DaSkreech> You shouldn't IRC as root
[01:51] <DaSkreech> it forced a name change
[01:51] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Ok when you don't use the Live Cd can you get toa text interface in kubuntu ?
[01:52] <Guest34716> konsole yes
[01:52] <Guest34716> nano
[01:52] <shelby> Can anyone help with the GRUB boot problem?
[01:52] <Guest34716> i think
[01:52] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:52] <DaSkreech> !grub | shelby
[01:52] <Guest34716> i used it from here the nano thing u told me
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Guest34716: Can you reboot without the livee cd and login there
[01:53] <Guest52140> ubottu: you typically gotta install windows first then anything else
[01:53] <DaSkreech> then do irssi -c irc.freenode.net and come here ?
[01:53] <radist> русские есть?
[01:53] <DaSkreech> !ru
[01:54] <Guest34716> ok
[01:54] <ubuntu__> i will try
[01:54] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: ok
[01:55] <Guest34716> &quit
[01:58] <andy> hi
[01:58] <andy> am back
[01:58] <andy> i was ubuntu__, root and soem guest before
[01:58] <andy> now without live cd and with my correct keyboard
[01:58] <andy> :-)
[01:58] <DaSkreech> andy: Yay
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Does sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop still give that crazy error?
[01:59] <andy> unluckily i cannot open another window here in order to do all the sudo stuff
[01:59] <DaSkreech> oh
[01:59] <DaSkreech> you can
[01:59] <andy> how?
[01:59] <DaSkreech> listen to me first
[01:59] <andy> ok
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Linux has multiple terminals
[01:59] <DaSkreech> you are on terminal one
[02:00] <DaSkreech> The gui is normally at terminal 7
[02:00] <andy> ah, ok
[02:00] <andy> and how to change between em?
[02:00] <DaSkreech> you can switch between them with alt+ctrl+Fn
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Fo terminal one is alt+ctrl+F1
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Terminal 2 is alt+ctrl+F2
[02:00] <andy> ok
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Go to terminal 2 and come back here
[02:00] <andy> now I'm on one
[02:00] <andy> ok
[02:01] <andy> back
[02:01] <DaSkreech> ok login to terminal 2 and you can do sudo stuff
[02:02] <DaSkreech> does install kubuntu-desktop still say all that stuff ?
[02:02] <andy> yes
[02:03] <andy> broken packages
[02:03] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:03] <andy> unmet dependencies
[02:03] <andy> only all in German now
[02:03] <DaSkreech> can you install the phonon-xine twice still?
[02:04] <andy> 'ill see
[02:04] <draik_> What is that package, DaSkreech? I was about to install phonon-xine but it would have removed quite a few of the apps that I use constantly; one of which would have been Yakuake.
[02:05] <andy> i can run it once. it says nothing downloaded. if i run it a second time right after it it says
[02:05] <andy> i should use apt.get autoremove
[02:05] <DaSkreech> ok do that
[02:06] <andy> cannot scroll up
[02:06] <andy> ok, autoremoving 13 MB
[02:07] <andy> done
[02:07] <andy> ctrl alt f7 does n ot work
[02:08] <DaSkreech> andy: shift+PgUp to scroll up
[02:08] <DaSkreech> andy: I Know it's broken
[02:08] <andy> DaSkreech  shift PgUp doesn't work here
[02:08] <andy> well, maybe i won't need it
[02:08] <DaSkreech> andy: In terminal 2
[02:09] <andy> i tried in t2
[02:09] <andy> notthin
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Strange
[02:09] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:09] <DaSkreech> so you can't install phonon-xine thign again ?
[02:10] <andy> is already latest version it states
[02:10] <DaSkreech> \o/
[02:10] <DaSkreech> progress
[02:10] <andy> i wanna commit suicide
[02:10] <DaSkreech> yeah this is annoying
[02:11] <DaSkreech> I don't even know why it's happening
[02:11] <DaSkreech> ok so you can install konqueror?
[02:11] <andy> it's past three am and gotta get up at 6:30
[02:11] <andy> I'll try
[02:11] <DaSkreech> andy: I know that's why I got you to reboot to stop that reinstall thing
[02:12] <MidnightDevil> hi
[02:12] <andy> depends on  libkonq5  depends on kdebase-runtime depends on the icons
[02:13] <DaSkreech> ok install them all at one time
[02:13] <andy> why can't it autmatically install all of it dependencies.
[02:13] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install icons kdebase-runtime libkonq5
[02:13] <andy> ?
[02:13] <andy> don't know if i know all of them
[02:13] <DaSkreech> andy: It should I don't know what's breaking it
[02:14] <DaSkreech> andy: you can use tab to autocomplete
[02:14] <DaSkreech> so apt-get ins<tab> kdebase-<tab>
[02:14] <DaSkreech> you can install multiple things at one time as well
[02:14] <DaSkreech> so install all of them in one go
[02:14] <andy> I think i found the error!!!
[02:15] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Whats it?
[02:15] <andy> and it explains why i had to install several times the same
[02:16] <DaSkreech> What is it?
[02:16] <andy> phonon-backend-xine collides with kde-icons-oxygen but Oubuntu 1*intrepid1 shall be installed
[02:16] <andy> sorry, cannot copy so I had to type and swtich between screens
[02:16] <DaSkreech> yeah
[02:17] <andy> but it appears that it needs both xine and icons
[02:17] <DaSkreech> you can They collide ?
[02:17] <andy> I know the theme or style was called oxygen
[02:17] <DaSkreech> They collide ?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[02:17] <andy> and problem occured after xine upgrade
[02:17] <DaSkreech> but they shouldn't collide
[02:17] <draik_> DaSkreech: I couldn't transfer the contents to the 500GB as it was not listed by gparted. I am in XP now. PartitionMagic says it is 100% full. Linux Reader by DiskInternals shows it but not as 100% full.
[02:17] <andy> it says they collide.
[02:18] <DaSkreech> I know
[02:18] <DaSkreech> hmm
[02:18] <andy> in German: following packages have unment dependencies: phonon and xine collide
[02:18] <DaSkreech> When you install both they say its problem
[02:18] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:18] <andy> umnet*
[02:18] <DaSkreech> hold on
[02:18] <andy> i hold
[02:18] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:19] <andy> done
[02:19] <andy> 0 0 0 0
[02:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:20] <andy> ups
[02:20] <andy> am i still here?
[02:21] <DaSkreech> yes
[02:21] <andy> it now says here in irssi Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[02:21] <andy> i tried all ctrl alt F  until i got to f9
[02:22] <andy> dunno what this is
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Oh thats fine :-)
[02:22] <andy> ah, ok
[02:22] <andy> i was worried
[02:22] <elizabeth> good nite 2 u all peopple
[02:23] <andy> well, at least on sudo apt-get install i don't get the host resolution problem anymore
[02:23] <DaSkreech> ok quick in terminal 2 type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:23] <DaSkreech> elizabeth: Night
[02:23] <andy> should i reenable the security.ubuntu.com?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> andy: When stuff works
[02:24] <andy> no such file or directory.  already running
[02:24] <andy> thats what it says
[02:24] <andy> hi elizabeth!
[02:24] <DaSkreech> What?
[02:24] <andy> yes
[02:24] <DaSkreech> no such file ?
[02:25] <andy> already running in new line
[02:25] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[02:25] <andy> no wait
[02:25] <DaSkreech>  type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:25] <andy> ay if only i could copy
[02:25] <DaSkreech> you can install pastebinit
[02:25] <andy> wait
[02:25] <DaSkreech> then pastebinit command
[02:26] <khalidmian> is wubi install of kubunturecommended or is it recoomended that one install it via grub also is there any difference?
[02:26] <andy> Sarting K Display manager: kdm-start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/kdm: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
[02:26] <andy> already running
[02:27] <DaSkreech> khalidmian: Whichever you are comfortable with
[02:27] <DaSkreech> andy: So something removed kde
[02:27] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:27] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[02:27] <andy> pastebinit command not found
[02:28] <DaSkreech> if you try instal the phonon and the icons on the same line what does it say?
[02:28] <khalidmian> DaSKREECH so it makes no difference whatsoever?
[02:28] <khalidmian> just a matter of choice?
[02:28] <andy> .../kdm stop Stopping K Dipslay manager: kdm not running (var/run/kdm.pid not found)
[02:29] <DaSkreech> khalidmian: Yes
[02:29] <DaSkreech> andy: Yeah it's not installed
[02:29] <andy> khalidmian i'd recommend an installtion to separate partition instead of wubi for wubi can kill your vista if kubuntu hangs on startup or shutdown and you power off
[02:29] <khalidmian> daskreech why do ppl preech grub install vs wubi?
[02:31] <DaSkreech> More flexibilty in how much space it takes up
[02:31] <DaSkreech> >slightly> faster
[02:31] <andy> it says xine already latest version: not all can be installed. collide xine and phonon
[02:31] <DaSkreech> xine and phonon ?
[02:31] <DaSkreech> ???
[02:31] <andy> wait
[02:31] <andy> no
[02:32] <andy> icons
[02:32] <andy> sorry
[02:32] <andy> my brain stops working
[02:32] <andy> E: broken packages
[02:32] <khalidmian> thankyo ufor all recommendation i have perviously tried grub and wubi and find wubi easier to deal with incase i have major issues with kubuntu wubi allows me to uninstall and reinstall it easily
[02:32] <khalidmian> thanks kubuntu teammates
[02:32] <DaSkreech> andy: ok
[02:33] <DaSkreech> andy: sudo apt-get clean
[02:33] <andy> done
[02:33] <DaSkreech> apt-cache policy phonon-backend-xine
[02:34] <andy> I had probs with wubi. Installation was really easy but so was real partition isntallation. And finally it did screw up my vista. dirty fs. i could fix it and then agian start the ntfs based ubuntu, but vista never recovered
[02:35] <DaSkreech> just tell me installed version and suggested version
[02:35] <andy> ok, done that
[02:35] <andy> says it's installed
[02:35] <andy> installed version 4:4.3.0
[02:36] <DaSkreech> ok do the same for icons
[02:36] <andy> -0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[02:37] <andy> and recommended does not exist. it says candidate in German. maybe it's the same. it's the same version
[02:37] <andy> now icons
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Same I have
[02:37] <andy> installed none candidate 4.1.4
[02:38] <DaSkreech> andy: ok mine is 4.2.0
[02:38] <andy> maybe a bug with 4.1.4
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Which are you running KDE 4.1 ?
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Or 4.2 ?
[02:39] <andy> currently ?
[02:39] <andy> none
[02:39] <andy> :-(
[02:39] <andy> 4.1.4
[02:39] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:39] <DaSkreech> hmm
[02:39] <andy> is what it used to be until yesterniter
[02:39] <andy> yesternite
[02:40] <DaSkreech> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <DaSkreech> at the bottom add this
[02:40] <DaSkreech> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[02:41] <DaSkreech> save and then sudo apt-get update
[02:43] <andy> ok, GPG Error some keys could not be checked
[02:43] <DaSkreech> oh
[02:43] <DaSkreech> I'll fix that when stuf works
[02:43] <andy> no_pubkey
[02:43] <DaSkreech> install kubuntu-desktop
[02:44] <DaSkreech> same error?
[02:44] <andy> after this operation 343MB of additional space will be occupied
[02:44] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:44] <andy> install non-authicable packages?
[02:44] <DaSkreech> yes
[02:45] <elizabeth> hello guys  again
[02:45] <DaSkreech> yes
[02:45] <andy> hi liz
[02:45] <DaSkreech> hi elizabeth
[02:45] <Walzmyn> If I installed googleearth manually from google's download (ie not the repo) how would I go about un-installing it?
[02:45] <andy> DaSkreech ok, seems I gotta trust you
[02:45] <andy> ;-)
[02:45] <DaSkreech> :)
[02:45] <andy> downloading
[02:46] <DaSkreech> Walzmyn: I forget whats the intall of google earth?
[02:46] <DaSkreech> .bin ?
[02:46] <andy> ok, hope this will get the system back running
[02:46] <andy> only that all my config will be gone :-(
[02:46] <Walzmyn> DaSkreech, yes, but there appears to be no uninstall built in
[02:46] <andy> 19% done
[02:46] <NigelS> Walzmyn: there's a file called "uninstall" in the google earth installation directory
[02:46] <DaSkreech> ^^^
[02:47] <Walzmyn> NigelS, emm, where's the installation directory?
[02:47] <andy> or will config still be found in /home?
[02:47] <Luija> hello guys
[02:47] <NigelS> Walzmyn: well, whereever you told it to go when you installed it by doing so manually
[02:47] <Luija> i have a question
[02:47] <Luija> i have a computer of 2000
[02:47] <andy> I only know that this kde prob affected all users not only my user account
[02:47]  * Walzmyn wishes he remembered where that was
[02:47] <Luija> and i was thinking
[02:47] <Luija> should i install in that pc
[02:48] <Luija> xubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:48] <DaSkreech> andy: oh thats bad
[02:48] <NigelS> Walzmyn: in your home directory perhaps? in a dir called google earth?
[02:48] <andy> DaSkreech: bad? why?
[02:48] <Walzmyn> NigelS, whatever the default was. It was not in /home - i'll hunt for it
[02:48] <Luija> no one knows???
[02:48] <NigelS> Walzmyn: by default the install puts a link to the binary in your home dir, so check that out for the path
[02:48] <andy> Luija: Try it.
[02:49] <Luija> ...
[02:49] <Luija> but by experience
[02:49] <Luija> for a old computer
[02:49] <Luija> of the 200
[02:49] <NigelS> Walzmyn: if you're removing it because of the library error btw, just delete the library from the install dir and it'll run
[02:49] <Luija> 2000
[02:49] <Luija> i should install kubuntu or xubuntu?
[02:49] <andy> Luija personally I still don't have that much experience. Only tried ubuntu and kubuntu, no xubuntu. but I think kubuntu should run there
[02:50] <DaSkreech> andy: It broke for everyone
[02:50] <elizabeth> i like to ask for help to a network expert in here, u c,i have installed Kubuntu Intrepid on my laptop(COMPAQ PRESARIO V3000 SERIES MODEL V3417LA) the thing is that Kubuntu DOES NOT recognize at all the wireless card wich by the way with windows works fine(BROADCOM 802.11 sp39912.exe "DRIVER"), there has been several nice guys in here that really did they best to help me configure the system so it recognize my wireless card
[02:50] <Luija> i am expanding linux because one uncle tell me he wanted to test linux because she see my kubuntu in my laptop lol
[02:50] <elizabeth> but everything so fas has failed, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WILLING AND eperienxed enough that can help me PLEASE I BEG U HELP??????????????????
[02:50] <NigelS> Walzmyn: in fact if you followed the default options then "ls -l ~/googleearth" should show where the dir is
[02:50] <Walzmyn> thank you NigelS
[02:51] <andy> DaSkreech actually we're just two ones using it. me and my flatmate. But that makes me think that maybe the configs that are saved in /home/username/.kde  should be unaffected
[02:51] <andy> well, I'll see
[02:51] <Walzmyn> NigelS, so this thing: /usr/lib32/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: - you're saying delete that library?
[02:51] <NigelS> Walzmyn: no, don't touch that
[02:51] <NigelS> Walzmyn: the problem it had was with the library it has in its own dir, with that missing it falls back on the system library you just pasted which does work fine it seems
[02:52] <andy> DaSkreech ok, now i have a blue screnn
[02:52] <andy> configure mysql.server 5.0
[02:52] <Walzmyn> NigelS, it says it's got a relocation error
[02:52] <andy> i need a pw for it?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> !broadcom | elizabeth
[02:52] <andy> don't even know what it is
[02:52] <elizabeth> or does any of u guys knows abouta channel where
[02:52] <Walzmyn> andy you can, but it's not nessacary
[02:53] <DaSkreech> andy: You don't need a pw
[02:53] <DaSkreech> blank works
[02:54] <NigelS> Walzmyn: it gives an error in which state..after a fresh install or after something has been altered? for me GE would not run with version 5.0 until the libssl.so.0.9.8 in its actual install dir (not the system lib) is missing - after that GE ran fine, without errors
[02:54] <andy> DaSkreech I think, Elizabeth's card waasn't even recognized by system and was not shown with normal list device cammnads
[02:54] <trepan_> anyone know how to install libdirect in intrepid?  was trying to compile something and got "checking for libdirect... configure: error: *** libdirect 1.1.0 or newer is required.       "
[02:54] <elizabeth> ANDY thats exactly what iam saying
[02:55] <elizabeth> Kubuntu wont even notice the exisitence of the wireless card
[02:55] <Walzmyn> NigelS, ok, sounds good. I will try that. I was going to uninstall/reinstall because the first time i didn't pay any attention to the options
[02:56] <andy> DaSkreech it asked me now for the third time for the same new pw. i leave it blank it unpacks lotsa packages and returns to same blue screen. That normal?
[02:56] <andy> DaSkreech: ok, it ended
[02:56] <Walzmyn> andy yes
[02:56] <andy> Walzmyn: ok, thx
[02:56] <andy> now i try starx?
[02:57] <andy> i better ask, before i screw it all up again
[02:57] <andy> I should not be allowed to ever use a computer
[02:57] <DaSkreech> elizabeth: it's not in lspci ?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> andy: I think
[02:57] <DaSkreech> andy: no
[02:57] <elizabeth> no
[02:57] <andy> DaSkreech: no, it's not. She showed it yesterday
[02:58] <DaSkreech> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:58] <elizabeth> like i said Kubuntu didnt even notice the phisicall existence of it
[02:58] <andy> DaSkreech too late. already did startx. seems to work
[02:59] <andy> I love you DaSkreech
[02:59] <DaSkreech> andy: alt+ctrl+F2 and ctrl+c
[02:59] <DaSkreech> then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:00] <elizabeth> so what that command for DaSk???
[03:00] <DaSkreech> elizabeth: Something is wrong then you need a kernel module for it
[03:00] <DaSkreech> elizabeth: Read the link ubottu gave you
[03:00] <elizabeth> oppsss
[03:00] <andy> DaSkreech: from where ctrl alt f2  or f7 ?
[03:00] <andy> ah
[03:00] <andy> sorry
[03:00] <DaSkreech> andy: F2
[03:01] <andy> xinit unexpected signal
[03:01] <elizabeth> how do i get that kernel modul?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> elizabeth: Read the link ubottu gave you
[03:02] <elizabeth> the link  u gave me stands for lspci and it goes frome there but i dont even get the reconition of my wireless card
[03:02] <Walzmyn> NigelS, thanyouverymuch. That solved the not running problem
[03:02] <andy> DaSkreech: I'm in KDE!!! :-)
[03:02] <DaSkreech> andy: cool
[03:02] <DaSkreech> night
[03:02] <andy> DaSkreech trying to migrate ressource. Success
[03:02] <user1_> ?
[03:02] <Walzmyn> congrats, andy
[03:03] <andy> DaSkreech: Than you very much!!!
[03:03] <Riesh> andy: go to bed :-)
[03:03] <andy> DaSkreech Thanks
[03:03] <andy> :-)
[03:03] <bazhang> !yay | andy
[03:03] <andy> I owe you one
[03:03] <NigelS> Walzmyn: np, now you can see atlantis ;)
[03:04] <andy> i really hope you're somewhere in US or elsewhere where it's not that late!
[03:05] <DaSkreech> andy: It's 22:05
[03:05] <andy> the only thing not present is the internet connection show thing but maybe after reboot. if not, it's a task for another day.
[03:05] <DaSkreech> andy: night
[03:05] <andy> DaSkreech: 04:05 am
[03:05] <andy> DaSkreech Thanks again. good nite
[03:06] <andy> bye room!
[03:06] <Walzmyn> NigelS, really?
[03:06] <Walzmyn> now that i've got googleearth running, i've got a bunch of places (like in menues) where text is crunched over itself, is that a linux/kde error or a googleearth error?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> !purekde | Luija
[03:09] <NigelS> Walzmyn: with tongue firmly in cheek -- http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.480209,-24.120483&spn=2.988616,5.026245&t=h&z=8
[03:10] <NigelS> Walzmyn: programs run with wine tend not to look very nice unfortunately and google earth isn't native to linux
[03:10] <bazhang> !googleearth
[03:16] <Walzmyn> NigelS, this thing is running in wine?
[03:17] <DaSkreech> yeah
[03:18] <Walzmyn> The repo version wouldn't work, s'why I downloaded the manual version
[03:19] <cyrisent> hola !
[03:19] <NigelS> Walzmyn: actually it's not
[03:19] <NigelS> Walzmyn: I hadn't used it for so long until this version that I never noticed that they ported it
[03:19] <DaSkreech> !hi
[03:19] <Walzmyn> ah ha
[03:19] <cyrisent> hi !
[03:20] <uzlinux> !hi
[03:20] <NigelS> Walzmyn: when i saw the same corruption that you see I thought it was just running badly - but now I don't know why the text overlaps
[03:20] <uzlinux> hmm
[03:20] <Luija> !purexfce
[03:20] <Luija> nice, thx ubottu lol
[03:21] <Walzmyn> I blame the marcians - they're made 'cause googles showing pics of their planet
[03:30] <draik_> DaSkreech: backup of /home and /etc is finally done. Did it within XP using Linux Reader.
[03:31] <draik_> DaSkreech: How do I get the list of packages that are currently installed
[03:31] <draik_> DaSkreech: What do you suggest now?
[03:32] <DaSkreech> umm hold on
[03:32] <draik_> Sure
[03:35] <DaSkreech> draik_: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/backup-installed-packages-on-ubuntu.html
[03:35] <wayne__> I'm lost!!!
[03:36] <DaSkreech> wayne__: You are on the internet
[03:36] <draik_> DaSkreech: Awesome. That should definitely work
[03:36] <wayne__> I know that much...using "Konversation" and thought it was another app that I have but can't seem to find now...
[03:37] <wayne__> Using Kubuntu operating system and am a newbie...
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Welcome to Linux and Kubuntu
[03:38] <wayne__> Trying to find the app that was sort of like Instant messenger in style, and had my friends info in it...can't seem to find it now...
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Kopete
[03:39] <DaSkreech> wayne__: press alt+f2 then type in instant messenger
[03:39] <wayne__> I love that name:  [BAB]Sugar_Fanta
[03:39] <wildbat> i wish Kopete have pc-pc audio soon >.<
[03:39] <DaSkreech> It will list the instant messengers you have installed
[03:40] <wayne__> Thanks!!! That was it...
[03:40] <draik_> DaSkreech: format the drive and then move /home and /etc back to the new install of Ibex?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> DarkriftX: Yeah
[03:41] <wayne__> Say, when I right click on my friends icon and look at the list, email is "deselected", how do I activate that?
[03:41] <draik_> DaSkreech:  I suppose that was for me ;)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> wayne__: Install kmail
[03:42] <wayne__> sorry to be so dense, but "how I doo dat?"
[03:43] <DaSkreech> open a konsole and sudo apt-get install kmail
[03:43] <wayne__> And if I install it, will it affect my installation of "Evolution" for my email?
[03:43] <Azzco> wayne__, you can slo use Adept, with Alt+F2, adept. That will bring up a graphical packa manager or a installer (there's two options).
[03:44] <Azzco> also*, sorry bout that typo.
[03:45] <wayne__> When I tried to use Adept I got:
[03:45] <wayne__> Could not obtain a write lock on the cache, falling back to read-only mode. You won't be able to install, remove or upgrade packages. However, you can still search in the package database and browse packages.
[03:45] <wayne__> You apparently do not have sufficient permissions to install or remove programs. You may need to run this program as user root (or through kdesudo) to gain write access.
[03:46] <wayne__> How did I loose and how do I get back the "permission" to use my computer?
[03:48] <Azzco> wayne__, you probably have apt-get running in a terminal, you can only have one package manager application running with full permissions, at a time.
[03:50] <wayne__> All I have running right now is Firefox, Kopete, and Kubuntu Knoversation...
[03:50] <draik_> DaSkreech: Thanks for all the help you've given me. I'm about to go through the install right now.
[03:52] <Azzco> wayne__, it should ask for your root password. =s
[03:54] <wayne__> it did...but after I input my password I got the above text.
[03:54] <DaSkreech> wayne__: use kdesudo adept
[03:55] <DaSkreech> draik_: ok
[03:55] <wayne__> I did the terminal and "sudo" thingy...then went to Kopete and it is the same...
[04:00] <InfernoLinux> I have kubuntu 8.10 kde4 on my laptop. its been working fine but i ran out of disk space so i went into windows and shrank the win partition, i did not modify the etx3 partition or the swap. now Xserver wont start what do i do
[04:01] <Azzco> InfernoLinux. If you have the home folder in your root partition, you can use a terminal to delete a few files in your home that you won't miss, and reboot (holding your thumb of course).
[04:02] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Run sudo apt-get clean
[04:02] <InfernoLinux> grab failed, preinit returned null for mac mouse button emulation, config/hal newinputdevicerequest failed, grab failed, preinit for apple computer apple internal keyboard /trackpad, newinputdevicerequest failed,   waiting for xserver to shutdown
[04:07] <InfernoLinux> Thanks, I deleted 3gb of extracted files from the desktop and now itll run
[04:08] <InfernoLinux> much appriciated
[04:08] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Run sudo apt-get clean
[04:08] <InfernoLinux> still? why
[04:10] <DaSkreech> It gets rid of stuff that you likely won't need for years
[04:10] <DaSkreech> autoclean gets rid of stuff it knows you won't need
[04:11] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech: thanks
[04:11] <DaSkreech> First thing I do when I start running out of space
[04:12] <InfernoLinux> another thing, When you type to me its red, is that just because you type myname: messege  or is it something else
[04:12] <DaSkreech> just cause I type your name
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Inferno
[04:12] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinu
[04:12] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux
[04:12] <DaSkreech> See ?
[04:12] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech: works?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:13] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech: cool
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Makes it easy to see people who talk to you
[04:14] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech: any idea why my laptop wifi connection is really iffy. sometimes it connects sometimes it doesn't. always connects on win though
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> might be a driver issue...depends on the version of kubuntu, the device etc.
[04:14] <Joelito> Hi...where can I talk about QT development on freenode?
[04:15] <InfernoLinux> hmmm. I have tried a bunch of drivers, currently have the most recent aetheros driver, still does it
[04:16] <InfernoLinux> macbook pro v3. kubuntu 8.10 kde4
[04:16] <DaSkreech> #qt
[04:16] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Wifi support is spotty on Linux
[04:16] <Admiral_Chicago> InfernoLinux: I have no idea about Mac products at all....have you checked the docs?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Hardware manufacturers don't support it
[04:17] <DaSkreech> !mac
[04:17] <r3db0x> i get this error when trying to play movies with mplayer...ao pulse failed to connect to server: connection refused.  anyone know what is causing it?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> !apple
[04:17] <DaSkreech> :-p
[04:18] <InfernoLinux> yea... for the older versions of kubuntu you had to manually compile the madwifi drivers to get it to work but 8.10 it worked out of box, and the updates to the drivers help it work more but its still not all the time
[04:18] <InfernoLinux> a reboot usually fixes it but thats really inefficient if im running on batter
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Well Wifi is inefficent for battery
[04:21] <InfernoLinux> yes, but nessessary.    It sees the wifi and will begin to configure, then inserts thumb in butt
[04:26] <InfernoLinux> sudo apt-get install clean wont find "clean"
[04:26] <InfernoLinux> i found cruft remover in synaptic but it only removed my old deb packages
[04:26] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: not install
[04:26] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get clean
[04:28] <InfernoLinux> i did that. no echo, i must have it already... do i just run sudo clean then?
[04:29] <DaSkreech> It's not a application
[04:29] <DaSkreech> It's a function of apt
[04:29] <DaSkreech> When you apt-get install somehing it downloads the installer
[04:30] <DaSkreech> That sits on your computer
[04:30] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech: so its done? once type "sudo apt-get clean"
[04:30] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get clean gets rid of that stuff
[04:30] <DaSkreech> yes
[04:30] <InfernoLinux> ok I see
[04:30] <DaSkreech> see how much more space you have
[04:31] <InfernoLinux> I have a little bit.... I obviously should just upgrade the drive in this laptop
[04:32] <InfernoLinux> my simulation data takes up a buttload of space
[04:33] <DaSkreech> :)
[04:47] <InfernoLinux> how do i remove an entire directory with multiple files and folders in terminal
[04:48] <genii> rm -rf
[04:48] <genii> Use cautiously
[04:49] <InfernoLinux> genii thanks
[04:50] <genii> InfernoLinux: welcome
[04:50] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Very cautiously
[04:52]  * genii hands DaSkreech a coffee
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Really going to need tha tonight
[04:54] <DaSkreech> It's been a long day
[04:54] <genii> Yup
[04:59] <InfernoLinux> *hands DaSkreech a Turkish Royal
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Really going to need that tonight
[04:59] <DaSkreech> It's been a long day
[05:00] <InfernoLinux> haha yep i just had one myslef
[05:05] <InfernoLinux> what would make firefox not maximize a video.  have most current (180) nvidia drivers
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Flash?
[05:07] <InfernoLinux> yea
[05:07] <InfernoLinux> and or quicktime
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Wht are you using to play quicktime
[05:11] <InfernoLinux> sorry, quictime isnt an issue anymore, i got the mplayer plugin
[05:11] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech flash works fine but stops when i fullscreen
[05:14] <DaSkreech> All sites?
[05:18] <InfernoLinux> seems to be... hulu and techzilla both do it
[05:35] <wildbat> ls
[05:35] <wildbat> oops soory
[05:52] <yaa_> PANIKA//moldavia podnala ceni na ukrop!
[05:53] <DaSkreech> hi yaa_
[05:56] <yaa_> hi)
[05:57] <DaSkreech> How is iptables ?
[05:57] <yaa_> still not read((
[05:57] <DaSkreech> :-(
[05:58] <yaa_> interesting stuff
[05:58] <DaSkreech> it is
[06:00] <yaa_> tell me please where does ubuntu keep iptable rules?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> umm
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Not sure hold on
[06:01] <DaSkreech> maybe /etc/iproute2 ?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> It's in the kernel so a lot of it is internal
[06:02] <dtchen> yaa_: depends which frontend you're using
[06:03] <yaa_> and what about /etc/iptables.up?
[06:03] <yaa_> what is frontend
[06:03] <yaa_> iptables.up.rules
[06:03] <dtchen> yaa_: "frontend" -> ufw, shorewall, etc.
[06:04] <yaa_> аа
[06:04] <yaa_> ш пще
[06:04] <yaa_>  i got
[06:04] <dtchen> most iptables rulesets are stored somewhere using iptables-save(8)
[06:04] <yaa_> and if i do not use shorewall or something
[06:05] <InfernoLinux> I am trying to install an app. I have the 32 and 64 versions. they came as .rpm i used alien to convert the 32bit ones to .deb but when i try to convert the 64bit ones they make a bunch of directories. do i need to be converting them on a 64bit machine? or is this normal
[06:05] <yaa_> and where are they stored?
[06:05] <yaa_> the iptables rules?
[06:05] <dtchen> e.g., ufw uses /etc/ufw/*.rules and /etc/ufw/applications.d/
[06:06] <DaSkreech> oooh cool
[06:06] <DaSkreech> yeah /etc/ufw looks like it
[06:08] <yaa_> is ufw a utility for managing iptables or what?
[06:09] <dtchen> yaa_: yes
[06:09] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech you have any ideas?
[06:10] <yaa_> dtchen thank you)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Not really
[06:11] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech thanks anywho... ill just try it on the 64bit... i just didnt want to have to move all the files if i didnt have to
[06:12] <DaSkreech> For flash?
[06:14] <yaa_> does ufw allow manage routing or it is just firewall?
[06:14] <chronic> how can i adjust contrast in kde4?
[06:14] <InfernoLinux> DrSkreech no this is for autodesk maya 2008
[06:15] <InfernoLinux> trying to install it on my i7
[06:15] <chronic> can fglrx be installed on 9.04?
[06:16] <yaa_> majores
[06:16] <yaa_> majory wy
[06:20] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: Is this space or the full screen thing?
[06:21] <yaa_> poidu buterki treskat((
[06:22] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech neither i fixed the space issue on my laptop, the fullscreen this is still unresolved, im a 3d vfx artist so i need to get maya on this system
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Oh I misssed that question
[06:23] <InfernoLinux> DaSkreech yes im full of them tonight
[06:33] <Daemonbuntu> is there a way to get KDE to recognize audio CDs?
[06:33] <Daemonbuntu> I've tried telling it to look in all the obvious places
[06:34] <InfernoLinux> DrSkreech yea dude just incase you are wondering you cant convert 64bit rpm applications to debian on a 32bit machine with alien
[06:34] <InfernoLinux> DrSkreech unless theres some sort of option i missed
[06:34] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: http://forums.cgsociety.org%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-9466.html
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Oh ha ha
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Maybenot
[06:35] <InfernoLinux> lol thats the first website i check when i wakeup. right after my email
[06:36] <DaSkreech> \o/
[06:36] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:38] <InfernoLinux> anyone know good cpu temp applications for linux? something comparable to speedfan or CoreTemp
[06:38] <dr_Willis> !info lm-sensors
[06:38] <dr_Willis> then thers the dozens of tools that use the lm-sensors data and show it in a pretty gui
[06:38] <InfernoLinux> you guys are fast haha
[06:39] <dr_Willis> 'apt-cache search temperure' wolud proberly show you a lot of  possibilities also
[06:39] <InfernoLinux> i looked in synaptic but i was asking if anyone had one they prefered because there are a bunch
[06:40] <dr_Willis> this shows  one of the core differances in Ubuntu Vs Windows.. :) in windows you would have to google around and find some app, that yopu then go to their web site and download.. and Hopefilly not have to pay $20 for some not-ad-mal-ware-demo  utility
[06:40] <dr_Willis> Depends on your needs for the most part.
[06:40] <dr_Willis> I rarely worry about cpu temp any more
[06:42] <InfernoLinux> yea... i want to do some testing on the clocking abilities of the i7  and on my other cpu i wanted to figure out how low i can keep my fans for what temp so i dont get the wind tunnel effect
[06:43] <gords> hi all! how would i know if me sound card supports full duplex? i'm using ubuntu 8 hardy
[06:44] <DaSkreech> gords: read the specs on the card?
[06:47] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: any idea how to install lm-sensors??
[06:47] <shadeslayer> install lm-sensors??
[06:48] <DaSkreech> apt-get install lm-sensors
[06:50] <shadeslayer> hm ok
[06:50] <shadeslayer> anybody updated kubuntu recently??
[06:50] <shadeslayer> so many KDE updates
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I haven't
[06:51] <aman> #cakephp
[06:51] <DaSkreech> but  apparently a decent number of people have had some issues
[06:51] <jeijei> shadeslayer: I just updated to kde4 4.2.0
[06:52] <DaSkreech> that's not really what he means :)
[06:52] <jeijei> I had some dependency problems, but got solved. just dont reboot until all is fine :)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> That's updating KDE not Kubuntu
[06:52] <DaSkreech> jeijei: how are you liking it?
[06:52] <shadeslayer> yeah,thats not what i meant
[06:52] <jeijei> DaSkreech: true :)
[06:52] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: really,so better not to upgrade
[06:53] <shadeslayer> there are 28 upgrades there
[06:53] <jeijei> however, I tried kubuntu alpha 2 recently but got even deeper trouble. I would wait for a while
[06:53] <DaSkreech> well considering how many people use Kubuntu it's probably statistcally safe
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Mostly people who have mixed repos got burned
[06:53] <DaSkreech>  like don't have KDE 4.2 and Kubuntu backports on
[06:53] <DaSkreech> that's likely to break sound
[06:54] <shadeslayer> hehe someone was ranting how stable jaunty is few days ago
[06:54] <DaSkreech> and don't have the wine repo the OO.o repo and the medibuntu repos with the updates
[06:54] <InfernoLinux> Just finished installing maya2008 and went to run it got an error ::   bash: /usr/local/bin/maya: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Might break your video card if you have custom drivers
[06:54] <shadeslayer> :0
[06:54] <DaSkreech> ha ha ha
[06:54] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: which csh
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Do you get a response to the command ?
[06:55] <InfernoLinux> uhh wait what
[06:55] <InfernoLinux> thats what happened when i typed "maya" in terminal
[06:55] <InfernoLinux> how do i know which csh
[06:56] <jeijei> InfernoLinux: He meant type "which csh" in terminal
[06:56] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: in terminal just type which csh
[06:56] <Guest85210> hej
[06:56] <jeijei> hejja
[06:56] <InfernoLinux> nothing comes up
[06:57] <InfernoLinux> i think i might know whats wrong though, i dont think i installed the nvidia drivers on THIS comp
[06:57] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: that's unlikey to be the issue
[06:57] <DaSkreech> !info csh
[06:57] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: install that ^^^
[06:58] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: i couldnt get anything either with which csh
[06:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[06:58] <InfernoLinux> hmm.... weird... i have them installed m=but nvidia xserver says no
[06:58] <shadeslayer> InfernoLinux: not activated maybe
[06:59] <yaa_> unyloye govno
[06:59] <yaa_> (
[06:59] <InfernoLinux> just when you think you have things figured out something doesnt work and you realize how little you know
[07:00] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: why is Ctrl+Shift+W mapped to the wallet service as well as closing tabs in terminal
[07:00] <InfernoLinux> holy shiznit... maya works
[07:01] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: yes it does
[07:01] <shadeslayer> thats linux
[07:01] <InfernoLinux> lol thanks i just need csh
[07:01] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: Dumb move ?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: I know
[07:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[07:01] <DaSkreech> thats why I was laughing
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Who uses csh ?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> seriously
[07:01] <InfernoLinux> apparently autodesk
[07:01] <DaSkreech> not even tcsh ?
[07:01] <InfernoLinux> haha
[07:02] <InfernoLinux> i dunno man, im not even going to attempt to install houdini 9 tonight
[07:02] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: well suppose i want to close a tab in konsole,i press the shortcut and whoa the wallet pops up
[07:03] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: yeah open the kwalletmanager and change that global shortcut
[07:03] <DaddyLonglegs> Icon's background in my system tray is not transparent. They are very ugly-looking, see http://imagebin.ca/view/ZGVD7Ub.html Can anybody please help me fix it?
[07:04] <gords> anyone who has an experience using speak-freely, i need help here please. i'm having trouble on having a conference on a local network. i tried the sfreflect but only one user at a time can hear the incoming audio.
[07:05] <shadeslayer> btw lm-sensors wont run
[07:05] <DaSkreech> skype! :-)
[07:05] <shadeslayer> alot of faliures after installation
[07:10] <DaddyLonglegs> Can anybody please help me with the problem I just described above?
[07:10] <shadeslayer> lol
[07:11] <shadeslayer> adept treid removing my Kubuntu desktop sysytem
[07:11] <shadeslayer> *tried
[07:11] <DaSkreech> DaddyLonglegs: #oxygen or #kde might help as well
[07:11] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: :-)
[07:11] <shadeslayer> its labeled an *upgrade*
[07:12] <DaddyLonglegs> DaSkreech: I'm gonna try them as well. Thanks for hint.
[07:12] <shadeslayer> should i
[07:12]  * shadeslayer is tempted
[07:12] <DaSkreech> shadeslayer: Ha ha What package is causing that?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> xine ?
[07:13] <shadeslayer> no idea
[07:13] <shadeslayer> i have xine btw
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Yeah I figured
[07:14] <shadeslayer> konsole doesnt show anything to remove though
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:15] <shadeslayer> konsole ftw!!!
[07:17] <DaSkreech> ftmfw
[07:18] <shadeslayer> something better coming along??
[07:19] <DaSkreech> mind control
[07:19] <shadeslayer> :O
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Unfortunately most people's mind isn't stronger than the computer :(
[07:19] <shadeslayer> hehe
[07:20] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: true or false?? Adept is broke as of now
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Adept is dead so it makes no diference
[07:21] <dr_Willis> I always install and use synaptic or the console commands anyway
[07:21] <shadeslayer> :) me too
[07:22] <noren> hi all
[07:22] <DaSkreech> I'm going to play with kpackagekit but I really don't like using any GUI stuff unless it has debtags
[07:22] <shadeslayer> !hi | noren
[07:23] <DaSkreech> hi noren
[07:23] <InfernoLinux>  why dont they just bundle synaptic dont they know adpet is aweful
[07:23] <yaa_> tsdarov
[07:23] <shadeslayer> InfernoLinux: not KDE enough i guess
[07:24] <InfernoLinux> haha update synaptic with a pretty blue logo
[07:24] <shadeslayer> :)
[07:24] <shadeslayer> i like SUSE's Yast though
[07:24] <shadeslayer> it has everything worked out
[07:25] <maco> how can i make kopete work with google talk?
[07:25] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: any idea if they will give us a inbuilt fingerprint reader in jaunty??
[07:25] <shadeslayer> maco: kopete
[07:25] <shadeslayer> !gtalk
[07:25] <DaSkreech> yaa_: Hmm ?
[07:25] <maco> shadeslayer: i just asked that
[07:25] <maco> shadeslayer: i said how do i make kopete work with google talk
[07:25] <maco> bcause, well, it doesn't
[07:25] <DaSkreech> InfernoLinux: It's Gtk
[07:26] <maco> shadeslayer: anyway, no, libfprint is not installed by default in jaunty
[07:26] <shadeslayer> Machtin: ok add an account
[07:26] <DaSkreech> maco: go to the second tab and check all three checkboxes then change the server name to talk.google.com
[07:26] <maco> and the version in the repo is a year old and doesn't work with many fingerprint readers
[07:26] <shadeslayer> :(
[07:27] <maco> DaSkreech: i dont want to allow unencrypted authentication
[07:27] <DaSkreech> maco: check the checkboxes turns on encrypted auth
[07:27] <maco> i did change the server name to talk.google.com and port 5223 and i set it to force encrypted auth
[07:27] <DaSkreech>  Gtalk doesn't allow you to connect unless it's encrypted
[07:27] <maco> the 2nd checkbox turns off encrypted auth
[07:27] <DaSkreech> which is a crock since they auto log everythign hat comes across the wire and save it for all time
[07:28] <dr_Willis> rot13 everything!
[07:28] <dr_Willis> :)
[07:28] <DaSkreech> no it allows plaintext auth which is then encrypted by the first checkbox
[07:29] <maco> are you sure? my reading of it is that it means you *should* use SSL, but if it doesn't work, go ahead and skip it
[07:29] <maco> as in, dont *force* ssl, just make it optional
[07:30] <shadeslayer> DaSkreech: what package updater are they using in Jaunty??
[07:30] <maco> and i definitely would want to force it...for all connections, basically
[07:30] <DaSkreech> kpackagekit
[07:30] <shadeslayer> CLI??
[07:30] <DaSkreech>  adept is dead as I said
[07:30] <shadeslayer> yeah
[07:30] <DaSkreech> K<----packagekit
[07:30] <shadeslayer> ??
[07:30] <DaSkreech> KDE
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Not cli
[07:31] <shadeslayer> so GUI??
[07:31] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:31] <shadeslayer> hmm ill install it then
[07:31] <pteague> anybody know what the difference is between the nvidia series? i.e. like the difference between a FX5200, a MX4000, & a 6200 ?
[07:32] <dr_Willis> diffrent GPU processors mainly :)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> FX premium MX cheap No prefix is standard
[07:32] <shadeslayer> pteague: #hardware
[07:32] <dr_Willis> and given the annoying complex naming scheme - thats about all one can say about it.
[07:32] <dr_Willis> :)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> so FX5200 is the premium of the 5--- series
[07:32]  * dr_Willis has a 8800GTSXXX
[07:32] <shadeslayer> :D i have the 8600 M GT
[07:32] <DaSkreech>  MX4000 is the cheap version of 4---- series
[07:33] <pteague> shadeslayer: ty for channel
[07:33] <dr_Willis> I was going tio get a 8600 but at that time i got the card..  the 8600's were having issues under ubuntu/kuibuntu
[07:33] <DaSkreech> 6200 is the standard beare for the 6--- series
[07:33] <shadeslayer> np
[07:33] <shadeslayer> :O really issues??
[07:33] <dr_Willis> now i can get 2x the card for 1/2 the $$ :) but  this card has lasted me 2+ years now
[07:33] <DaSkreech> It's ##hardware
[07:33] <DaSkreech> I have a 9600
[07:33] <pteague> & i have an 8600gts from evga for my desktop... just wondering what i should get for a cheap & more portable lan party box
[07:34] <dr_Willis> I cant even  keep up with video cards these days
[07:34] <dr_Willis> i always look for what the reviewers/magazaines call  the 'best value' for the $$
[07:35] <dr_Willis> Its not worth splurging 2x the cost for 25% gain  in preformacne
[07:35] <dr_Willis> when 6 mo later ya could get a new card with  2x the preformace for 75% the cost of what you saved :)
[07:38] <maco> ok now how do i change the sort order on contacts in groups in kopete? and how do i rearrange the groups?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Drag and drop ?
[07:38] <maco> the groups aren't draggable
[07:40] <DaSkreech> ah right they are alphabetical
[07:45] <maco> ok....how about sorting contacts by status?
[07:45] <maco> is that an option in kopete?
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Not that I see
[07:50] <QContinueum> how do i tell what video hardware i have in my laptop?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> sudo lshw -C Video
[07:52] <DaSkreech> genii: coffee :)
[08:02] <draik_> DaSkreech: Nothing short of perfection. Thank you so much for your help.
[08:02] <DaSkreech> I didn't do it! It wasn't me!!
[08:02] <dr_Willis> Busted!
[08:03] <draik_> I am currently in the process of reinstalling all of my packages.
[08:03] <draik_> Should be done in about 70 minutes
[08:04] <draik_> After 5 failed installs (go figure) it installed everything and I'm running Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex
[08:05] <draik_> !yakuake
[08:05] <draik_> I noticed that yakuake was not something part of the repos. Did I miss something? I love yakuake.
[08:05] <dr_Willis> I think its kde 3x only
[08:06] <draik_> I had yakuake in KDE 4.1.4
[08:06] <draik_> As a matter of fact, I have it here on this laptop
[08:06] <draik_> Did something replace yakuake?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> !info yakuake
[08:07] <DaSkreech> It's KDE 4
[08:07] <draik_> I guess my repos aren't quite up on par on the new install.
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Konversation is KDE3 only
[08:07] <draik_> No worries. I backed up /etc and /home
[08:08] <draik_> I'm on konversation.
[08:08] <QContinueum> ditto
[08:08] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get update I guess then install yakuake
[08:09] <draik_> I did a dselect update, then ran my upgrade. I hope to get it all back just the way I had it, sans the arctic
[08:10] <draik_> I want to sigh in relief, but I don't want to jinx it.
[08:11] <draik_> Speaking of, ETU just went from 62 minutes down to 46 :)
[08:11] <draik_> Back to 61 :(
[08:12] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:13] <draik_> 60 minutes...
[08:13] <draik_> Well, I need some rest. Been at this for the past 18 hours straight (not to mention the past few days).
[08:14] <draik_> DaSkreech: Thanks again for all your help and saving me pain-staking hours of troubleshooting.
[08:14] <DaSkreech> sure
[08:15] <Duesentrieb> is there a keyboard shortcutr for puppoing up krunner? can i make one?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> GEt some sleep
[08:15] <DaSkreech> I know I am
[08:15] <DaSkreech> alt+f2
[08:15] <draik_> Duesentrieb: ALT+F2
[08:15] <Duesentrieb> draik_: ah, thanks. hm... can i customize that somehow?
[08:16]  * draik_ is tired and braindead. I'm sure you can, just don't know at this time.
[08:16] <Duesentrieb> looking at hotkey config now. thanks anyway.
[08:17] <Duesentrieb> found it and added meta+x
[08:17] <Duesentrieb> fun fact: german translation of "space" as in "spacebar" is, uh, wrong. "Weltraum" means "space" as in "outer space" :)
[08:18] <DaSkreech> submit a translation
[08:18] <draik_> Good $TIME_REF everyone. I'm going to bed. DaSkreech, I have all of the commands you have provided me written down in case this (n)ever happens again.
[08:18] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Smart
[08:19] <draik_> Oh, before I forget. I found a command in my notes for backing up installed apps. Quite wonderful when I remembered that and the fact that I can SSH when I can get TTY1 on the desktop. :)
[08:20] <draik_> Ok, I go now. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
[08:21]  * draik_ is away
[08:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:26] <reenignEesreveR-> when i ssh with x forwarded and run kdesktop, the widnows that show up don't have any tops (windows decorators?) ... why is that?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> reenignEesreveR-: You didn't run kwin
[08:28] <reenignEesreveR-> great, thanx
[08:29] <Kw4h> since yesterday a couple of of the kde packages upgrade to 2
[08:29] <reenignEesreveR-> DaSkreech, could you please also tell me what should i run to display the taskbar at bottom?
[08:30] <Kw4h> ah.
[08:30] <Kw4h> the other packages upgraded today apparantly
[08:30] <DaSkreech> reenignEesreveR-: Are you in KDE3?
[08:31] <reenignEesreveR-> DaSkreech, I have both KDE3 as well as KDE4 installed but i'd like to use KDE3 (default is KDE3)
[08:31] <DaSkreech> ok then run kicker
[08:31] <reenignEesreveR-> so for instance, kdewin = kde3, kdewin4 = kde4
[08:32] <reenignEesreveR-> fantastic!
[08:53] <Kw4h> congrats on kde 4.2
[08:54] <Kw4h> took some updates, but it finally runs :)
[08:54] <gords> hi! help please. what command should i use to know if my sound card supports full duplex
[08:54] <DaSkreech> gords: why do you need full duplex?
[08:55] <gords> DaSkreech, i'm using a speak-freely  and i need to make both machine can speak at the same time
[08:56] <DaSkreech> gords: Ah ok I'm not sure off hand of a way to check that
[08:56] <DaSkreech> ##hardware and #phoronix might help
[08:57] <DaSkreech> But they will be dead now
[08:57] <gords> ok thanks
[09:05] <fuzzy> guys need help, my adept manager cannot make updates it gives errors
[09:06] <bazhang> fuzzy, what errors
[09:06] <bazhang> fuzzy, please pastebin if more than a single line
[09:06] <fuzzy> bazhang: min
[09:09] <fuzzy> bazhang: k, here's the deal, some packgages were downloaded but after time it gived an error 404 not found... something like this: http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/phonon/phonon-backend-gstreamer_4.3.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found
[09:11] <bazhang> fuzzy, this is 8.10?
[09:11] <fuzzy> bazhang: yes.
[09:11] <bazhang> fuzzy, with 4.1 or 4.2
[09:12] <fuzzy> bazhang:  wait a min, i will check it. i dont remember
[09:19] <fuzzy> bazhang: with 4.1
[09:19] <fuzzy> :)
[09:19] <bazhang> fuzzy, could you pastebin sources.list ?
[09:19] <fuzzy> bazhang: k
[09:22] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list --> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <bazhang> fuzzy, not in PM
[09:23] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com  (more eyes the better)
[09:23] <fuzzy> bazhang: paste it here?
[09:23] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com <-----there
[09:24] <fuzzy> bazhang: http://paste.ubuntu.com/120927/
[09:25] <altrortla> #windows
[09:26] <bazhang> fuzzy, comment out the first line (the cd one) by putting a # in front of it, save then update
[09:26] <bazhang> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:27] <fuzzy> bazhang: #deb cdrom < like this?
[09:28] <bazhang> fuzzy, yep; save then sudo apt-get update (and then whatever else you were trying to do) :)
[09:28] <fuzzy> bazhang: ty
[09:28] <bazhang> fuzzy, yw :)
[09:31] <fuzzy> bazhang: everything has failed man
[09:31] <bazhang> fuzzy, what error?
[09:32] <fuzzy> bazhang: again a 404 error
[09:34] <fuzzy> bazhang: what should i do?
[09:35] <bazhang> fuzzy, just checking your sources.list hang on a second
[09:35] <fuzzy> bazhang: k
[09:40] <bazhang> fuzzy, edit non-free out of sources.list
[09:41] <fuzzy> fuzzy: you mean to delete every "non-free" comments?
[09:42] <gords> hi! is there a downloadable kubuntu server?
[09:43] <gords> i downloaded kubuntu recently but it was a live cd version, what is the sign if it's a kubuntu server or a kubuntu live cd? thanks
[09:43] <bazhang> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Add_Repositories_using_Synaptic_Package_Manager  fuzzy there is an example sources.list
[09:43] <dr_Willis> theres  'server' editions.. there is no 'kubuntu server' since the server dont come with the X stuff/desktop
[09:44] <dr_Willis> the live cd - is not the 'server' edition
[09:44] <bazhang> fuzzy, not sure what the ge is for yours, and you can alter suitably if removing the non-free does not work
[09:46] <gords> dr_Wills, even ubuntu server with gnome?
[09:46] <dr_Willis> the server edititions do not come with X or the desktop
[09:46] <bazhang> no gnome, cli only
[09:46] <gords> ok, thanks
[09:46] <gords> :D
[09:47] <bazhang> you can add kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop though
[09:47] <dr_Willis> If you want the GUI I say stick to the desktop installer cd or Alternave installer cd.
[09:47] <bazhang> or just add !lamp to the desktop version
[09:47] <gords> now about a downloadable desktop? kde preferably
[09:47] <gidz> hi
[09:48] <gords> how about a downloadable desktop? kde preferably*
[09:48] <dr_Willis> gords,  what about it?
[09:48] <dr_Willis> same as you install any other apps. :)
[09:48] <dr_Willis> apt-get install  whatever-desktop
[09:49] <bazhang> xubuntu-desktop , lxde, and so on
[09:49] <caustin> Just got a Dell XPS 1530 today.  Jaunty alpha 4, 64bit, flawless install.  Everything works.
[09:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for jaunty discussion please caustin
[09:50] <gords> just want to write it into a cd, because everytime i installed a fresh ubuntu and install its gui it takes long to finish since i only had a slow internet. however when i apt-get source kubuntu-desktop i only get few package, maybe less than 10mb
[09:50] <dr_Willis> !aptcd
[09:50] <dr_Willis> theres the apt-on-cd tools. i never use them
[09:50] <caustin> bazhang: I was merely saying.  Not a discussion.
[09:51] <dr_Willis> of if on a lan.  You could set up one machine to be an apt-cach server
[09:52] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[09:52] <bazhang> !info apt-mirror
[09:52] <bazhang> if you have a big hdd :)
[09:53] <dr_Willis> does apt-on cd also save the files the packages would of downloaded? Like the mstfonts   whateverfont.exe files and the wireless firmware downloads?
[09:53] <dr_Willis> or do those save to a standard splace that it also backups?
[10:02] <santiago> Hi!
[10:02] <santiago> I just install kde4.2
[10:02] <santiago> and had a dependency problem...
[10:02] <santiago> in the web page it says here I could get some help...
[10:03] <santiago> any body could help me??
[10:04] <santiago> nobody?
[10:04] <nichola> I would help....... but you're talking double dutch to me lol sorry :)
[10:05] <dr_Willis> Hmm
[10:05] <dr_Willis> i recall having to manually remove   some conflicting package.. then  reran the kde4 install
[10:06] <dr_Willis> there may be some other ways around the conflict.
[10:07] <santiago> I installed it in another computer... reboot it, and had a terrible kde 4.2, without kwin or typing... so, I updated my computer, and the some message came...
[10:07] <santiago> and now im afraid to reboot it...
[10:07] <dr_Willis> learn to use the apt-get commands from the terminal.  pastebin the error messages perhaps so people in here can help
[10:08] <santiago> like this?
[10:08] <santiago> APT Error. Context:
[10:08] <santiago>     Running dpkg,
[10:08] <santiago>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --configure, -a ],
[10:08] <fuzzy> bazhang: none of your solutions not worked :(
[10:08] <bazhang> no kwin?
[10:08] <santiago>     Sup-process returned error code 1,
[10:08] <santiago>     Error processing kdebase-workspace-bin : problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar.
[10:08] <fuzzy> bazhang: but i've fixed it xD
[10:09] <bazhang> fuzzy, please paste the new sources.list
[10:09] <bazhang> fuzzy, how
[10:09] <dr_Willis> !info pastebinit
[10:09] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[10:09] <fuzzy> bazhang: i have just switched from my country server to main server... :)
[10:09] <dr_Willis> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:09] <dr_Willis> :)
[10:09] <bazhang> heh
[10:10] <matti> which one version KDE is the lastest
[10:10] <bazhang> I always like to | that to pastebinit
[10:10] <santiago> I havent reboot it, so I have kde 4.1, with kwin... but Im almosty sure that I would loose kwin on reboot, just like it happent with my girlfriends notebook on 4.2 upgrade....
[10:10] <santiago> how can I avoid it??
[10:10] <dr_Willis> Install some other desktop untill you get kde4.2 going
[10:10] <bazhang> santiago, yes I had that same issue
[10:11] <yehui> 人不少  呵呵
[10:11] <bazhang> !info kwin
[10:11] <bazhang> yehui, english here; #ubuntu-cn for chinese
[10:12] <santiago> how can I you fix it??
[10:12] <bazhang> santiago, I installed kwin
[10:13] <santiago> you had no kwin after upgrade, nor could you type? and you fixed by installind kwin??
[10:13] <dr_Willis> You can always go to the consoles and 'fix' things
[10:13] <bazhang> santiago, I could type, just could not see it
[10:14] <bazhang> santiago, so I launched the run command and got konsole
[10:14] <bazhang> then sudo apt-get install kwin and logged out and back in, and fixed!
[10:14] <fuzzy> guys i have another question... do someone knows where to find some THC-Hydra guide? on how to use it?
[10:15]  * dr_Willis has no idea what THC-Hydra is
[10:15] <dr_Willis> I might have a homepage :)
[10:16] <fuzzy> dr_Willis: thc.org
[10:17] <dr_Willis> homepage or their forums..  would be my guess. :)  or a wiki page.
[10:17] <fuzzy> dr_Willis: on homepage no tutorial is written..
[10:18] <fuzzy> dr_Willis: they have no forum and no wiki too...
[10:18] <santiago> ok, thank's... I would try to fix it...
[10:18] <fuzzy> dr_Willis: but people are using thc-hydra so someone MUST HAVE written a tutorial...
[10:19] <dr_Willis> http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-hydra/  has docs
[10:20] <dr_Willis> its ussage looks rather straight forward to me. :)
[10:21] <dr_Willis> not sure where ya get a password list, or user list from.. but i guess thats  Up to the end user to decide
[10:21] <fer> hola
[10:22] <fer> alguien me puede dar soporte en español
[10:22] <fer> ?¿
[10:22]  * dr_Willis notices a link on the hydra docs page that lead to a 'rather long readme file' (or so the page says)
[10:22] <fuzzy> dr_Willis: lol, i feel so lame : )) heh, ty
[10:22] <bazhang> !es
[10:22] <dr_Willis> theres web surfigh the pages. then theres 'reading' :)
[10:22] <fer> gracias
[10:22] <jarod_> hi
[10:23] <jarod_> anybody got aproblem?
[10:23] <bazhang> yes
[10:23] <bazhang> how to add apps to panel in kde4.1
[10:24] <dr_Willis> You mean launcher icons?
[10:25] <jarod_> Right cilck on the bottom
[10:25] <bazhang> dr_Willis, yep; every time I try to add a widget, I get the whole kmenu
[10:25] <bazhang> ie want just firefox or konsole for example
[10:25] <jarod_> remove the spares
[10:26] <jarod_> what me to tell you how to install firefox by sudo
[10:26] <bazhang> right click add a widget only offers those choices (app launcher is kmenu)
[10:26] <Kbeville> hi room.... i am using xbmc media center and i need to see my mvoies and music on my windows home server/windows desktop computer can i be help
[10:26] <jarod_> yes
[10:27] <jarod_> have you got a music cd
[10:27] <bazhang> not a big deal to scroll through the kmenu just wanted those icons to click on
[10:27] <dr_Willis> !info cheese
[10:27] <jarod_> what about if she or him got no web cam
[10:30] <Kbeville> hi room.... i am using xbmc media center and i need to see my movies and music on my windows home server/windows desktop computer can i be help
[10:33] <dr_Willis> You could always set up a samba share..  and access them that way.. or perhaps try that UpNP stuff.
[10:35] <shadeslayer> hmm when did Da_Skreech leaave??
[10:35] <shadeslayer> i was gonna ask him something
[10:35] <jarod_> Poor you
[10:36] <shadeslayer> :(
[10:36] <shadeslayer> well he mentioned some conflicts of Kubuntu with my 8600M GT
[10:36] <shadeslayer> any idea??
[10:36] <jarod_> :)
[10:37] <shadeslayer> hehe today adept tried to remove the Kubuntu Destop package from my HD
[10:37] <bazhang> that is fine
[10:38] <bazhang> !metapackage
[10:38] <jarod_> you better have another running programe
[10:38] <jarod_> like windows xp home editon
[10:38] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop wont remove your desktop
[10:38] <shadeslayer> jarod_: Win Vista
[10:38] <shadeslayer> really??
[10:38] <jarod_> what do you mean?
[10:39] <bazhang> only a metapackage
[10:39] <bazhang> see above
[10:39] <shadeslayer> so i should have removed it
[10:39] <bazhang> re-install before upgrading to next version though
[10:39] <bazhang> you still can :)
[10:39] <shadeslayer> uh that was a normal upgrade
[10:40] <shadeslayer> like daily updates
[10:40] <bazhang> not that kind; version upgrades
[10:40] <bazhang> ie hardy to intrepid
[10:41] <shadeslayer> nope
[10:41] <shadeslayer> i mean like i started kubuntu and wham adept says 28 updates available
[10:41] <bazhang> its okay to remove it; just reinstall when you want to change versions
[10:42] <shadeslayer> nah ill leave it there
[10:42] <bazhang> for example the !puregnome shows only two packages (not metapackages in this case)
[10:42] <shadeslayer> what the heck,change of mind,ill remove it
[10:43] <bazhang> remove them, and remove all of kubuntu practically
[10:43] <bazhang> think of kubuntu-desktop in the reverse situation
[10:45] <jarod_> your thinks of remove kubuntu well you better have a boot disk
[10:46] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop metapackage ?
[10:46] <shadeslayer> well ill let you know
[10:46] <bazhang> dont need a boot disk for that
[10:46] <jarod_> but
[10:47] <shadeslayer> dont worry i have vista too so if something goes wrong ill let you guys know
[10:47] <jarod_> i got linux
[10:48] <bazhang> I've removed it plenty of times, and nary an issue. its only a metapackage
[10:49] <jarod_> oh good
[10:49] <bazhang> if you !puregnome , though..
[10:50] <shadeslayer> jarod_: i thought that too
[10:50] <shadeslayer> !puregnome
[10:50] <bazhang> you would have a system, just no gui
[10:50] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:50] <jarod_> who me
[10:51] <bazhang> and dropping to a console you could install lxde , ubuntu-desktop, or many others
[10:51] <shadeslayer> yayy
[10:51] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:51] <shadeslayer> nothing happened
[10:51] <bazhang> no; the use of 'you' is the impersonal you, not directed towards any one individual
[10:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:52] <bazhang> nothing happening is good news
[10:52] <jarod_> :P
[10:52] <bazhang> :)
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[10:55] <jarod_> :c
[10:56] <jarod_> :S
[10:57] <jarod_> See ya
[10:58] <shadeslayer> can kopete start a voice call??
[10:59] <jarod_> dont think so i will go look
[10:59] <shadeslayer> please quick!!!
[10:59] <shadeslayer> !beer
[10:59] <bazhang> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid
[10:59] <shadeslayer> ?? huh
[11:00] <bazhang> good place to check
[11:00] <jarod_> what a sce
[11:00] <Exilant> in kde4, how can i replace that weird new device notifier?
[11:00] <jarod_> nope
[11:00] <Exilant> media:/ no longer works
[11:00] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:02] <shadeslayer> so..
[11:02] <shadeslayer> why doesnt gtalk  have linux versions
[11:08] <dr_Willis> because they dont want to? :)
[11:10] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:10] <shadeslayer> bad google
[11:10] <shadeslayer> they probably deny the exsistence of linux :P
[11:10] <cumulus007> they don't?
[11:11] <cumulus007> they do even have a special linux page
[11:11] <cumulus007> http://www.google.com/linux
[11:11] <cumulus007> shadeslayer: ^
[11:12] <jussi01> shadeslayer: you can connect to gtalk through kopete - its just an implementation of jabber
[11:13] <shadeslayer_> sorry for that
[11:14] <jtheuer> Did someone loose the suspend button in kde at one of the last updates, too?
[11:14] <shadeslayer_> nope
[11:15] <shadeslayer_> i still have mine
[11:15] <jtheuer> wired
[11:15] <shadeslayer_> wired??
[11:15] <jtheuer> I changed from compiz to kwin but that shoudn't  affect the suspend capabilites, right?
[11:15] <dr_Willis> did you start kde with the kdm login manager?
[11:16] <jtheuer> yes, I still use kdm
[11:16] <cumulus007> I lost my power off actions
[11:16] <cumulus007> reboot/shutdown/hibernate/suspend
[11:16] <jaws2> hey all, does anyone know how i can change the name of my computer in kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2, ive searched in google but cant find the answer..
[11:17] <cumulus007> It's not possible (blame on kubuntu devs)
[11:17] <cumulus007> try kdesudo kate /etc/hosts
[11:17] <jtheuer> isn't it /etc/hostname ?
[11:18] <noren> !kmail
[11:18] <dr_Willis> !hostname | jaws2
[11:18] <dr_Willis> be VERy carefull when changing the hostname :)
[11:18] <shadeslayer_> !thunderbird | noren
[11:18] <jaws2> ah great help thank you
[11:19] <shadeslayer_> !careful
[11:19] <shadeslayer_> :P
[11:19] <noren> shadeslayer_: thanks but i wanted to configure kmail with gmail
[11:19] <shadeslayer_> oh
[11:19] <shadeslayer_> !gmail
[11:21] <noren> !nvidia
[11:24] <cumulus007> why is ubottu GNOME-based in a Kubuntu channel?
[11:24] <shadeslayer_> :)
[11:27] <dr_Willis> the bot is not gnome based. :)
[11:27] <dr_Willis> !bot
[11:27] <dr_Willis> Its artificial intelligence
[11:27] <dr_Willis> !nothing
[11:28] <dr_Willis> !anything
[11:28] <cumulus007> dr_Willis: why doet it talk about Evolution, then?
[11:28] <cumulus007> and about GNOME menus
[11:28] <dr_Willis> Why not.
[11:28] <cumulus007> because this is #kubuntu
[11:28] <cumulus007> not #ubuntu
[11:28] <dr_Willis> becuse the factoids its spitting out are done by people
[11:28] <dr_Willis> If you want more accurate ones submit them
[11:29] <cumulus007> where?
 Hi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:29] <dr_Willis> last URL wouldbe place to start.
[11:29] <dr_Willis> and there are som,e cases where it does spit out different info - depending on what channel its in
[11:30] <cumulus007> !blabla is qwertyuiop
[11:30] <ikonia> cumulus007: what ?
[11:30] <cumulus007> that was a test
[11:32] <ikonia> cumulus007: for what ?
[11:32] <pteague> anybody have any ideas as to what's going on with this? just installed & rebooted - http://pastebin.com/m7bd6da05
[11:32] <cumulus007> I wanted to test ubottu's factoid function
[11:32] <ikonia> cumulus007: please play with the bot in private message
[11:33] <cumulus007> okay, sorry
[11:33] <dr_Willis> new factoids and changes also have to go through some proceess to get them submited/ok's
[11:35] <noren_> hi is there any CLI search Engines or browser
[11:35] <cumulus007> yes
[11:36] <dr_Willis> lynx , w3m, links  - text based browsers
[11:39] <slabbeh> Hi, I have setup bigdesktop in ATI catalyst control centre, but now KDE has massive glitches (covering the whole screen), gnome is fine. I have reset xorg.conf using sudo dpkg-rec.... But no difference. Doing 'Ctrl+Alt+F2' then 'Ctrl+Alt+F9' makes KDE display fine but as soon as I click on anything artifacts/glitches appear.
[11:40] <slabbeh> And I have removed all compiz and emerald packages, which also made no difference
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> !ati
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> oh crap
[11:40] <dr_Willis> f using sudo dpkg-rec.... is  no longer a valid way to configure xorg.conf I think. since 8.10
[11:41] <shadeslayer_> glitches such as??
[11:41] <dr_Willis> You could try moving the xorg.conf to xorg.conf_BACKUPED so you have no xorg.conf and see if X re-auto-configures X properly
[11:41] <slabbeh> dr_Willis, how should I re-configure it? I tried recovering to my backup, but this didn't work
[11:41] <dr_Willis> I have several systems with blank xorg.conf files :)
[11:42] <noren_> !lynx
[11:42] <slabbeh> dr_Willis, I do want to use fglrx though
[11:42] <dr_Willis> it might use it.. if its isntalled.. ive not tried :)
[11:42] <dr_Willis> I only use nvidia these days
[11:43] <slabbeh> shadeslayer, its hard to describe, looks like its on a really high resolution and stretched everything horizontally
[11:43] <slabbeh> * I mean really low resolution
[11:44] <wers> how do I enable font rendering for gtk apps?
[11:45] <pteague> figured it out...  seems as though there's some sort of a problem with either the mobo accepting the nvidia card, the particular mix of drivers, or maybe the power supply isn't getting enough power to it...
[11:46] <slabbeh> !ati
[11:46] <aes52> how to disable scsi emulation so drive appears as /dev/hda not /dev/scd0?
[11:47] <martinez> hi people
[11:48] <dr_Willis> !libata
[11:48] <dr_Willis> !libsata
[11:48] <dr_Willis> theres a factoid on it aes52  bit i forget what one it is
[11:48] <slabbeh> dr_Willis, removing xorg.conf has removed the problem but it is not using fglrx
[11:49] <aes52> !scsi
[11:49] <dr_Willis> slabbeh,  You are one step closer then sounds like.
[11:49] <slabbeh> dr_Willis, is there a way to re-install fglrx?
[11:49] <dr_Willis> use the hardware manager/driver tool  perhaps.
[11:49] <dr_Willis> sudo jockey-kde
[12:00] <shadeslayer> hey,i pressed ctrl+alt+F9 and then restarted because i couldnt do a thing in konsole
[12:00] <shadeslayer> now kubintu wont start with KDE
[12:01] <shadeslayer> *kubuntu
[12:01] <aes52> dd: reading `/dev/scd0': Input/output error
[12:01] <aes52> any thoughts?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> i only get default and failsafe options in login manager,and they dont seem to work
[12:05] <dr_Willis> shadeslayer,  login to the console, stop the kdm service. and try 'startx' to see if kde starts up and what error messages may appear.
[12:05] <shadeslayer> uh how do i stop kdm and start X??
[12:06] <shadeslayer> !kdm
[12:06] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: any idea how to stop kdm?
[12:07] <dr_Willis> its a service :)
[12:07] <dr_Willis> sudo service kdm stop
[12:08] <dr_Willis> same as most every other sercice
[12:08] <dr_Willis> service
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:08] <shadeslayer> and what about x??
[12:08] <shadeslayer> how do i stop X
[12:14] <slabbeh> dr_Willis, thanks for your help, all sorted now I think
[12:15] <slabbeh> now time to setup ubuntu on my 2nd pc
[12:17] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: no errors
[12:17] <shadeslayer> what next??
[12:19] <fuzzy_> guys help how to use THC-Hydra... i have learned some basics on how to crack some emails, and i have the dictionary too but the password are not cracking... it gives only a date,day,time of when hydra started to run and ended
[12:19] <fuzzy_> any help?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> fuzzy_: #hack maybe
[12:20] <shadeslayer> and tell me if you succeed i need some help too
[12:21] <fuzzy_> shadeslayer: on what?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> cracking emails
[12:21] <fuzzy_> shadeslayer: k
[12:21] <shadeslayer> my friend's win live account was hacked
[12:23] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: any idea??
[12:24] <shadeslayer> ive run every option in the recovery console
[12:25]  * dr_Willis missed the original problem.
[12:27] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: well i pressed ctrl+alt+f9
[12:28] <shadeslayer> then i couldnt do anything so i restarted,and now kubuntu is broke
[12:29] <shadeslayer> i.e. in login manager i cant start KDE
[12:30] <shadeslayer> and failsafe and default dont work byw
[12:30] <shadeslayer> *btw
[12:30] <dr_Willis> if you were on the Consoles, you could try to do a lot of things.. You may want to try adding a different 'desktop/window manager' so you can see if X is working at all.
[12:30] <dr_Willis> 'sudo apt-get install icewm'  for example.
[12:31] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: well when i do startx,i get a screen with a cursor and a white and black screen
[12:31] <tobias_> hallo (test)
[12:32] <dr_Willis> make a file called .xinitrc that launches the desktop you want.   example file. 2 lines..
[12:32] <dr_Willis> xterm &
[12:32] <dr_Willis> startkde
[12:32] <dr_Willis> ---END OF FILE ---
[12:32] <dr_Willis> startx reads that file and launches whats in it.
[12:32] <dr_Willis> if you install 'icewm' you change the last line to be 'icewm' - If you had gnome installed it would be 'gnome-session'
[12:32] <tobias_> ichbin gerade am update von catalyst (passt das hier her?)
[12:33] <dr_Willis> It sounds shadeslayer  that X is working.. but KDM jhas the issues
[12:33] <amgarchIn9> aptitude shows upgradable phonon-backend-xine version 4.3, current 4.1.4 just as the kde version. Can this be true?
[12:33] <Riesh> !de |tobias_
[12:37] <tobias_> thankyou
[12:38] <xx6xx> Hi'all
[12:47] <radiotehnik> !ru
[12:58] <agf> paidia den douleuei tipota!!!!
[13:00] <aetern> hi
[13:02] <dr_Willis> hmm
[13:04] <agf> kalispera
[13:04] <agf> na kano mia erotisi ?
[13:04] <agf> sxetika me to paltalk ...
[13:05]  * dr_Willis dosent even know what language that is
[13:05] <agf> hi
[13:05] <dr_Willis> Hell0
[13:05] <agf> sorry for the greek :)
[13:05] <agf> im new in kubuntu ;)
[13:06] <agf> i have a problem with paltalk client
[13:06] <agf> i installed it through wine ,,
[13:06] <agf> but i get an error msg that says someting about firewall configs...
[13:06] <agf> :( anyone know anything to help me out ?
[13:07] <dr_Willis> theres is no firewall settings enabled by default in Ubuntu, It may be you need to set up the router to forwared the proper ports
[13:07] <RurouniJones> I doubt you have any firewall setup on your machine, plus it is a windows app on linux which is always fun. It could be the router
[13:08] <agf> i didnt needed to make any configs in windows...
[13:08] <RurouniJones> Could possible have been a uPnP thing in windows that isn't on linux
[13:08] <dr_Willis> that dosent mrove very much afg.
[13:08] <RurouniJones> Try opening the ports manually first
[13:08]  * dr_Willis agrees with RurouniJones 
[13:08] <agf> i dont know what ports it use :(
[13:09] <agf> should i look in google ?
[13:09] <RurouniJones> http://support.paltalk.com/Firewalls.html
[13:09] <agf> thanks for your responce btw :)
[13:09] <dr_Willis> google is our friend
[13:09] <agf> :))
[13:09] <RurouniJones> That was 5 seconds on google. Always google for something first
[13:10] <salvi> hola
[13:10] <agf> thanks ppl i will try to fix it :)
[13:13] <untitled> hello. Enyone uses kde4.2 with qt4.5?
[13:14] <thorns> I'm just experiencing something weird. Dolphin is very slow navigating folders, while another open Konqueror window navigates just fine.
[13:15] <thorns> And my system is not under any heavy loading
[13:16] <thorns> Well except Xorg which is often going between 3-5% and 70%
[13:16] <thorns> Anyone experienced this?
[13:18] <testi> I wonder why dolphin isn't just as fast as "ls", because all the preview and metadata processing coud be done in another thread, but it doesn't look like it works that way
[13:18] <thorns> Yeah
[13:19] <thorns> Look, I turned off compositing and desktop effects and Xorg is acting the same
[13:19] <thorns> Maybe it's fine (I'm using a refresh of 400ms)
[13:19] <testi> Recently kontact caused Xorg to use a lot of CPU here
[13:20] <thorns> KMail does that
[13:20] <testi> yeah KMail
[13:20] <thorns> Don't know if I should report this
[13:21] <thorns> Dolphin seems to be working fast enough with my other paritions which are ReiserFS formated
[13:22] <thorns> OK, maybe not :-/
[13:25] <noren> !timezone
[13:25] <noren> !time
[13:28] <noren> how to change timezone inn kubntu
[13:28] <Dragnslicer> System Settings -> Date and Time
[13:28] <gords> hi! how would i change ubuntu's sound card preference? i plugged-in a new sound card but didn't know where to change it.
[13:30] <thorns> Great! Xorg completely hanged!
[13:30] <thorns> Rather it stopped rendering
[13:30] <thorns> Which makes me think it might be KWin
[13:35] <peterbuldge> after logging into kde my system hangs on the networking icon.  I can log in fine to openbox but I have to start the network manager to get online.  Does anybody have any idea what's wrong?
[13:40] <scorper360> hi all
[13:40] <scorper360> need help
[13:40] <scorper360> does anyone know were i can get a replacement screen for my medion 2180
[13:41] <scorper360> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooo
[13:41] <dr_Willis> I would ahve to say.. time to hit google? and ebay
[13:41] <jeijei> scorper360: www.google.com: medion 2180 spare parts
[13:41] <dr_Willis> google is our friend
[13:42] <scorper360> ok i try
[13:42] <giarca> am I wrong or kde4.2 are raising from stable repository?
[13:42] <Tm_T> giarca: from backports
[13:43] <giarca> so I could delete kubuntu-experimental repository when all package are up
[13:43] <giarca> is it right?
[13:43] <Walzmyn> Great, I can't bring up my panel. I thought KDE4 was supposed to fix this bug
[13:43] <Tm_T> giarca: sure
[13:43] <scorper360> and  can i like remove most of the kubuntu apps
[13:43] <scorper360>  non of them are my type of apps
[13:43] <giarca> Tm_T: yeah! thanks! :D Great news! :)
[13:44] <scorper360> nope
[13:44] <scorper360> does note work
[13:46] <kkkduifjalsdd> is the word "followingly" existent in the english language?
[13:51] <ubuntu__> hello all Im having some major problems with my kubuntu install 4.2, the keyboard only works on the kde menu and nothing else, my windows are missing the window headers. I cannot run failsafe since it give me an error saying x --failsafe missing. While installing the kde 4.2 packages, i had some errors i did like it said and ran dpkg and apt-get -f commands, and still had problems, after a restart all these problems occured
[13:54] <dr_Willis> sounds like yet anoterh failed kde 4.2 upgrade
[13:55] <dr_Willis> I would say go to the console. and try a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and try to reinstall kde 4.2 - if any specific error messages appear.  tell this channel about them
[13:55] <ubuntu__> dr_willis problem is my keyboard isnt functioning in konsole either :( only the menu the rest of kde just seems to ignore it even exists
[13:56] <dr_Willis> not 'konsole' the Console
[13:56] <dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-f1 CONSOLES
[13:56] <thorns> ubuntu__: konsole or the kernel consoles?
[13:56]  * dr_Willis curses at whoever decided to use that cute name
[13:57] <dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-f1 to get to console, login
[13:57] <dr_Willis> sudo service kdm stop
[13:57] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update
[13:57] <ubuntu__> dr_Willis sorry for striking the wrong chord
[13:57] <dr_Willis> :)
[13:57] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:58] <dr_Willis>  You migjht also want to install irssi and the pastebinit command. to allow chatting here. and easy pasetbining of the error messages if any
[13:58] <ubuntu__> alright I'll give it ago thank you :D
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:05] <tommi_> Has anyone had a problem with fonts defaulting to sans in kub jaunty after last nights updates?
[14:05] <Tm_T> !jaunty | tommi_
[14:06] <tommi_> kk
[14:09] <thorns> lol I found why Dolphin is slow for me
[14:10] <thorns> I'm running TwinView and I thought I should run the FPS plugin from KWin to test if Xorg is running low on resources
[14:10] <thorns> I noticed more CPU was used on the first screen
[14:10] <thorns> Then I tested Dolphin in both screens
[14:10] <thorns> It navigates folders just fine on the second screen
[14:10] <thorns> But slower if I move the window in the first screen
[14:12] <Tm_T> Guest57502: are we rooted now?
[14:23] <dr_Willis> i recall some issues in the past with twinview/dual monitors and compiz
[14:23] <dr_Willis> could be the kde stuff has similer issues
[14:24] <Guest66130> hulloa all!
[14:25] <shadeslayer> !hi | Guest66130
[14:25] <Guest66130> :)
[14:43] <jwyanze> Kbeville1: ur getting through
[14:54] <noren> !list
[14:56] <noren> !list
[14:58] <max__> chenels
[15:01] <manikandan> Anybody from India..?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:01] <shadeslayer> why??
[15:01] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hehe he lives near Delhi
[15:02] <BluesKaj> !hindi
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:02] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> i can tell from the ip
[15:02] <shadeslayer> !india
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:02] <shadeslayer> !India
[15:02] <shadeslayer> !america
[15:02] <shadeslayer> really good bot
[15:03] <shadeslayer> !pat
[15:03]  * shadeslayer pats ubottu
[15:03] <bazhang> !msgthebot
[15:03] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !in
[15:04] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[15:04] <bazhang> keeping a PM open with ubottu is very helpful
[15:04] <shadeslayer> hehe i didnt know they had a seprate channel for indians
[15:07] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , most countries have a seperate chat , but usually it's known by the official language spoken there, like !fi for finland etc
[15:07] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[15:09] <BluesKaj> some countries have 2 or more official languages which i'm sure India has, so it's just the country name in that case
[15:10] <shadeslayer> hmm,yeah india has 20 official languages
[15:11] <BluesKaj> wow
[15:12] <dr_Willis> They must have very complex stop signs. :)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:12]  * dr_Willis pictures a Tall Stop sign with Stop in 20 languages
[15:13] <shadeslayer> well no,most of them are in english and well theyre signs
[15:13] <BluesKaj> or just a large hand
[15:14] <shadeslayer> look at the back of our currency and we have all 20 languages listed
[15:15] <dr_Willis> I was thinking of a cartoon of a little donkey stopping real fast.. :)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> most people talk in Hindi and english though
[15:15] <shadeslayer> dr_Willis: :)
[15:15] <dr_Willis> but  thats just me being silly :) its almost my bed time
[15:16] <draik_> shadeslayer: Does everyone in India know all 20 or is it based on where you are that you'll know more or less than other regions?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> yeah its regional
[15:17] <BluesKaj> bedtime? ,...did you work the nightshift ?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> like people in gujrat know Gujrati
[15:17] <shadeslayer> etc etc
[15:17] <draik_> Gotcha.
[15:18] <Tm_T> !ot | just to remind you all
[15:18] <draik_> Are the languages somewhat similar so that you know what they are speaking or are they unique?
[15:18] <draik_> Tm_T: Sorry
[15:18] <shadeslayer> draik_: in #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:19] <shadeslayer> meet you there
[15:19] <draik_> There
[15:23] <kasilas> Hello Everybody
[15:23] <shadeslayer> !hi
[15:24] <Exposure> plasma is broken in kde 4.2
[15:24] <Exposure> anybody working on that? i'll be happy to provide feedback
[15:25] <Tm_T> Exposure: how it is broken?
[15:25] <Xema> my KDE is completl broken :-(
[15:25] <Xema> since today
[15:25] <Xema> +y
[15:25] <Xema> +e :-)
[15:25] <Exposure> plasmoid related packages depend on libplasma2 instead of libplasma3
[15:25] <Tm_T> Exposure: those packages aren't updated yet
[15:26] <Tm_T> Exposure: wait until all packages are uploaded to servers (:
[15:26] <Exposure> yes I've found out, so kde 4.2 isn't really out yet ;)
[15:26] <Exposure> i'll be patient
[15:26] <dr_Willis> KDE 4.2 is still unofficial and a work in progress
[15:26] <Tm_T> Exposure: well not entirely, packages are getting there slowly
[15:26] <Tm_T> dr_Willis: in Backports are they now
[15:26] <dr_Willis> And yes. there are upgrade issues..
[15:27] <bazhang> standard in the next release though, correct?
[15:27] <Tm_T> bazhang: indeed
[15:27] <dr_Willis> Tm_T,  does backports count as 'officia'' or 'sort-of-official' ? :)
[15:27] <Tm_T> dr_Willis: official "community supported" (:
[15:27] <dr_Willis> 'The Official Desktop of EyeCandy Addicts!" :)
[15:30] <Exilant> how is 4.2 unofficial?
[15:30] <Xema> maybe soneone has an idea? my kde freezed in the middle of apt-get upgrade today, after an reboot, only the commandline worked. dpgk --configure -a brings "kdm...exec format error"
[15:30] <Xema> an apt-get install kdm --reinstall worked
[15:30] <Xema> but since this time, after login, my screen is black
[15:30] <dr_Willis> Its not included by default.. its in 'backports' which are a 'use at your own risk' type repository
[15:31] <Exilant> ah, ok
[15:31] <Exilant> never installed ibex, went straight to jaunty
[15:31] <dr_Willis> You are a risk taker. :)
[15:31] <Exilant> well, no
[15:31] <Exilant> have my hardy ro fall back to
[15:31] <Exilant> and do actual work :)
[15:32] <Xema> what could i do? :-)
[15:33] <Exilant> xema, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or so
[15:35] <Xema> and then? i'm under windows
[15:40] <Exilant> try to determine what went wrong
[15:40] <Exilant> does X start at all?
[15:40] <Exilant> or maybe just a dpkg-reconfigure kdm will do
[15:42] <Xema> the login process worked
[15:47] <root> hello all !!!
[15:47] <nithou[Be]> hello world
[15:49] <Guest11451> i have a question: i want to buy a vps, and they give 2 choises of linux version: open vz and xen. I am used to work with ubuntu so which of them (open vz and xen) is closer to ubuntu? help me plese
[15:51] <Guest11451> anybody?
[15:51] <nithou[Be]> just nod if you can here him ...
[15:52] <Tm_T> Guest11451: first, you should never irc as root, well, do anything you don't have to as root
[15:52] <Guest11451> ok, what about my question?
[15:53] <Tm_T> Guest11451: second, I'm not sure, but my guess is Xen
[15:53] <Guest11451> thx Tm_t
[15:54] <Guest11451> but i need to know sure, because i want to buy it for  3 years
[15:57] <Guest11451> anybody knows which is closer to ubuntu? openvz or xen
[15:57] <Guest11451> thx in advance
[15:58] <bazhang> Guest11451, best to listen to Tm_T 's advice, or do some googling
[16:00] <bazhang> xen seems to be it :)
[16:00] <bazhang> oops
[16:00] <NigelS> hmm, I wonder if he knows what Xen and open vz are....
[16:00] <giarca> NigelS: LOL
[16:01] <NigelS> since if he does then his questions doesn't make much sense
[16:06] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[16:06] <MetaMorfoziS> Does anybody uses kde3.5.10 on intrepid?
[16:06] <MetaMorfoziS> I have installed a cli system, what i need to do to don't get dependency problems etc?
[16:06] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: from what source you thought to install it?
[16:07] <MetaMorfoziS> I'm just testin in VirtualBox
[16:07] <MetaMorfoziS> g
[16:07] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: I don't know any source to get KDE3 to intrepid (in proper way that is)
[16:08] <MetaMorfoziS> i thought to use the hardy ones
[16:08] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm afraid of the dependency problems
[16:08] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: then you end up having serious problems I believe
[16:08] <MetaMorfoziS> me too:)
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> maybe i try to compile kde 3...:S
[16:09] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: reason not to use KDE4 ?
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> i just not familiar with it atm, it's heavily under construction, have less configuration options than gnome(wahwah)
[16:10] <bazhang> not really
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> and actually, it's painly slow on this machine (eee 1000h)
[16:10] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: false (:
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> i have tried 4.2
[16:10] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: it's all about how you set it
[16:10] <sdoq> hi! what are the voip app on linux that can held a 3-way conference in a pc-to-pc call?
[16:10] <portatile> Hello!
[16:10] <bazhang> hi
[16:10] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: I use KDE 4.2 in laptop with 128 MiB ram etc
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> (I wan't to change to kde4, so not my religioon is this:))
[16:10] <portatile> list!
[16:10] <portatile> !list
[16:10] <MetaMorfoziS> Tm_T > i'm intrested in that how you do that
[16:10] <bazhang> !it
[16:11] <MetaMorfoziS> i have 2gb, intel atom 1.6ghz (atom)
[16:11] <MetaMorfoziS> and it was slow as pain.
[16:11] <MetaMorfoziS> kmenu means: a rectangle with the contents of my raw memory wait(2000) then the nice shiny menu
[16:11] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: first, just install only what you need, then remove all unneeded animations etc
[16:11] <MetaMorfoziS> i have tried that (imho), i also tied to changing between xaa/exa
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> the best irritating thing is the alt-f2 menu's delay
[16:12] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: hmm, you use "effects" ?
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> it was only usable when compositing is on, exa
[16:12] <Tm_T> ah
[16:12] <Tm_T> well, KDE4 isn't heavy unless you make it to be
[16:12] <MetaMorfoziS> i have tried both (effects on:exa, effoff:exa, effon:xaa, effoff:exa)
[16:13] <Tm_T> will make reasonable list about things when I get around with it, now I have to go ->
[16:13] <MetaMorfoziS> I'm really intrested in it
[16:13] <umar> how to play 3gp audio in ubunto
[16:13] <MetaMorfoziS> i just loves my hardy setup, with my kde3 config
[16:13] <MetaMorfoziS> but i'm intrested in intrepid's new things
[16:14] <bazhang> kde4 is superb
[16:14] <umar> where from i download
[16:14] <bazhang> its standard in 8.10
[16:14] <bazhang> 4.1
[16:15] <MetaMorfoziS> btw, my face was: ":S" when i sav that it uses mysql
[16:15] <umar> i cant find it any one can help me
[16:16] <bazhang> 3gp?
[16:17] <MetaMorfoziS> you want to play 3gp?
[16:17] <umar> yes 3gp aduio
[16:17] <MetaMorfoziS> mplayer and vlc can do that, but without sound.
[16:17] <MetaMorfoziS> yup, you need to recompile mplayer with amr_wb and amr_nb libs in it
[16:17] <umar> yes the problem of sound
[16:17] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6600881
[16:18] <MetaMorfoziS> i have succeed with it one time:D (one from about a thousand:)
[16:19] <umar> but how to play work sound ?
[16:19] <MetaMorfoziS> amr is the sound codec, that isn't in mplayer or vlc by default because of it's license thing
[16:20] <MetaMorfoziS> so you need to compile mplayer with amr_wb by yourself...
[16:20] <umar> how ?
[16:20] <aPpYes> does the kubuntu livecd have a similar automated liveusb maker as the ubuntu one does?  I am googling around and cannot seem to find a straight answer.
[16:21] <aPpYes> I am wanting to get kubuntu on my msi wind.
[16:21] <MetaMorfoziS> aPpYes > unetbootin
[16:21] <MetaMorfoziS> !unetbootin
[16:21] <MetaMorfoziS> i just tried...:(
[16:21] <dr_Willis> unetbootin is not the same :) but it works very well
[16:21] <dr_Willis> it dosent make a persistant save file however.
[16:22] <MetaMorfoziS> yup...
[16:22] <dr_Willis> You could use the live-usb maker tool in Ubuntu and give it a Kubuntu.iso file . and it would make a kubuntu live -thimbdrive
[16:22] <dr_Willis> or xuybuntu
[16:22] <aPpYes> MetaMorfoziS: so the feature is not built in to the livecd?  I dont' want to have to go through the entire install on another computer just to install unetbootin and make the usbstick.
[16:23] <dr_Willis> unetbootin has a windows verison also. :) you could use that.
[16:24] <aPpYes> i will give it a try.  It knows how to make a 8.10 Kubuntu (not ubuntu) liveusb?  I saw  ubuntu 8.10 on the list at their site, but not kubuntu.
[16:24] <corrado> sorry quale è il canale italiano
[16:25] <dr_Willis> unetbootin can do kubuntu also.
[16:25] <dr_Willis> just point it to a kubuntu iso file
[16:25] <Slartibartfast> !it
[16:25] <corrado> tnk
[16:26] <aPpYes> cool thanks.  I will get started then!
[16:27] <ehird> Hi, how can I get a mighty mouse and wireless apple keyboard working in the livecd?
[16:27] <ehird> I can't do any configuration because I'd have to use them...
[16:27] <umar> i cant under stand ..................................................its tu tu that ,,,,,,,
[16:28] <dr_Willis> those are Bluetooth ehird ?
[16:28] <ehird> dr_Willis: Yep.
[16:28] <_karo_> in kde 4.2, when i add applications from the kde menu to the panel, where does thing store the information about the apps that are in my panel?
[16:29] <_karo_> i'd like to add a custom app shortcut to the panel...
[16:29] <dr_Willis> Bluetooth in kde 4.1 had issues last i heard. not sure if its better in 4.2 or not
[16:29] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop: 634 new packages, 1463mb unextracted data:)
[16:29] <dr_Willis> Fun!
[16:30] <MetaMorfoziS> woes! ubuntu--desktop: 875new pkg, 1907mb unextracted stuff:)
[16:31] <ehird> [16:29:07] <dr_Willis> Bluetooth in kde 4.1 had issues last i heard. not sure if its better in 4.2 or not
[16:31] <ehird> I plan to upgrade to 4.2
[16:32] <ehird> but I can't if I can't boot up
[16:32] <dr_Willis> Yep.. catch 22
[16:32] <ehird> Oh well, I'll use a USB mouse/kb. :(
[16:32] <ehird> It'll only be for a little
[16:32] <dr_Willis> always handy to have backups
[16:32]  * ehird digs them up
[16:32] <dr_Willis> I have spare ps2 keyboards/mice i often have to use
[16:32] <ehird> is rEFIt still needed to install on a mac?
[16:33] <dr_Willis> No idea.. the only Mac I have - works well as a doorstop
[16:33] <ehird> :-)
[16:39] <MetaMorfoziS> dr_Willis > :D
[16:40] <Walzmyn> I just fired up the laptop and have 90 updates - what's going on?
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu??
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yeah,all of them are KDE i think
[16:40] <Walzmyn> yes
[16:41] <jharris> I installed kubuntu-desktop on my mythbuntu box, but I don't have KDE in my sessions menu, and it's not using kdm for the login manager...any hints?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> some like Dolphin and k3b
[16:41] <Walzmyn> I was just wondering if they'd rolled over something big
[16:41] <shadeslayer> but 75 pc is KDE
[16:41] <shadeslayer> new icons and all
[16:42] <Walzmyn> jharris, did you do a format and install?
[16:42] <Slartibartfast> jharris sudo apt-get install kdm
[16:42] <jharris> Walzmyn: format? as in the partition? certainly not.  I din't have any kde packages prior to this
[16:43] <jharris> Slartibartfast: KDM is *installed*, it's just not running by default.  I can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then start kdm
[16:43] <shadeslayer> jharris: i have the exact problem minus kdm
[16:43] <shadeslayer> i dont know what happened after the update
[16:44] <jharris> shadeslayer: you don't have a KDE option in the sessions menu either?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> i have kubuntu though
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:44] <Slartibartfast> jharris, maybe a sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[16:44] <jharris> Slartibartfast: thanks will try that
[16:44] <shadeslayer> i only have failsafe and default
[16:44] <shadeslayer> i think adept removed kubuntu desktop
[16:45] <bazhang> that wouldnt do it
[16:45] <Slartibartfast> normaly installing another xdm manager will invoke a script where you can choose which you want to use
[16:45] <jharris> I get: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kdm is broken or not fully installed...oops!
[16:46] <Slartibartfast> jharris, mmm let me see ...
[16:46] <jharris> then when I try to install kdm with aptitude, I get:
[16:46] <jharris> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7) but it is not installable
[16:47] <bazhang> is kwin installed
[16:47] <jharris> but the suggested solution is to install kdebase-workspace-data (thought it was uninstallable??)
[16:48] <jharris> clearly my installation did not go well...I don't recall seeing error messages, and since my system was clean of any kde prior to this, I'm a  bit surprised
[16:48] <bazhang> this is 4.1?
[16:48] <jharris> no, 4.2
[16:48] <shadeslayer> anyidea for my problem??
[16:48] <shadeslayer> *any idea
[16:49] <MetaMorfoziS> Tm_T > where (and maybe when) you publishes that howto/list?
[16:49] <jharris> looks like the installation quit early, because "aptitude install kde" wants to install over 100 packages!
[16:49] <jharris> I guess that solves it...
[16:52] <Slartibartfast> jharris well the package kde is for kde 4.1.x
[16:52] <littlefeet> has anyone ever actually gotten a b43xx wireless to work ,ive seen all kinds of help of peeps saying they got there wireless to work this way or that, but have yet gotten one of the methods to work'
[16:52] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:52] <littlefeet> i think there all living in a dream land'
[16:52] <jharris> Slartibartfast: I ADDED A 3RD PARTY REPO
[16:53] <jharris> oops forgive the caps
[16:53] <Slartibartfast> the ppa ?
[16:53] <jharris> Slartibartfast: yes
[16:53] <Slartibartfast> i have that too ... also running kde 4.2 ... but the package kde still pointing to kde 4.1.x
[16:54] <Slartibartfast> Depends: kde-core (>= 5:48ubuntu1), kdeedu (>= 4:4.1.1), kdegames (>= 4:4.1.1), etc etc
[16:54] <jharris> Slartibartfast: interesting...maybe because I originally did "install kubuntu-desktop", which put me on 4.2?  I'm watvching 4.2 packages scroll by atm...
[16:55] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop would give you 4.1
[16:55] <Slartibartfast> aha ... ok ... sound ok then :-) ... hope it will fix it
[16:56] <Slartibartfast> but i did here just an "apt-cache show kde"
[16:57] <shadeslayer> well that list every kde app out there
[16:58] <sunfridge> hiho
[16:58] <Slartibartfast>  shadeslayer "This metapackage includes all the official modules released with KDE"
[16:59] <Slartibartfast> its a meta package
[17:00] <jharris> ok, here goes...going to log out and restart X...BTW, how do I restart X?
[17:00] <_karo_> ctrl-alt-backspace
[17:00] <jharris> thx
[17:00] <jharris> and thx Slartibartfast
[17:01] <Slartibartfast> jharris np
[17:01] <Kbeville1> a very good day to all...... my xbmc media center keep timing out whatz that about....
[17:04] <Kbeville1> a very good day to all...... my xbmc media center keep timing out whatz that about.... help help..........................................
[17:10] <dr_Willis> wowsers
[17:16] <halfsane> hey all!   what tools should i use to resize my home partition (running low on space)
[17:17] <St`> hey all
[17:18] <St`> how are you ?
[17:19] <St`>  i have kubuntu with kde 4.2 ... may i install the K Desktop Environment official modules from synaptic or it is better not to do it ??
[17:19] <ct529> halfsane: backup and then gparted / qtparted
[17:21] <amgarchIn9> KDE 4.2 arrived  to intrepid-backports, so everybody aptitude full-upgrade!
[17:21] <vbgunz> anybody know why toolbar icons default size is bigger than I actually set?
[17:23] <amgarchIn9> however at some point I got a message that compositing will be disabled because of low recourses, how do I enable that again?
[17:24] <halfsane> ct529: what is qtparted for exactly, its page is down and not in repo
[17:24] <halfsane> ct529: thanks for the help btw!
[17:26] <ct529> halfsane: should be in rep .... wait
[17:27] <ct529> halfsane: should be in rep .... wait
[17:27] <many_> hi
[17:27] <many_>  every 1
[17:27] <St`> amgarchIn9:  i can see from synaptic that there is  "the K Desktop Environment official modules" that i do not have .... i do not know if  it  is good
[17:27] <ct529> halfsane: yes, it is in Universe
[17:27] <ct529> halfsane: apt-get install qtparted
[17:27] <ct529> halfsane: well, sudo apt-get install qtparted
[17:28] <many_> excuse me i'm having some problems with my kubuntu release
[17:28] <ct529> halfsane: if you prefer sudo apt-get install gparted, because gparted is officially supported .... :) .... qtparted no
[17:28] <amgarchIn9> St`:  version 4.2 on most of them?
[17:29] <halfsane> ct529: i will go with gparted, still couldnt find qt..
[17:29] <halfsane> ct529: got the cant find error with apt-get as well
[17:29] <halfsane> ct5s
[17:29] <halfsane> ct529: thanks for the help!
[17:30] <ct529> halfsane: have your tried sudo apt-get install gparted?
[17:30] <St`> from universe / 5:48ubuntu1
[17:30] <halfsane> ct529: i pulled gparted with adept
[17:30] <ct529> anyone using openoffice here?
[17:30] <ct529> halfsane: good ....
[17:30] <ct529> !qtparted
[17:30] <many_> hey guys can you help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:31] <ct529> I cannot write the symbol % in a formula .... is there a trick? I read the help but could not find a solution
[17:31] <ct529> many_: state the problem please
[17:31] <BluesKaj> shift 5
[17:32] <St`> amgarchIn from universe / 5:48ubuntu1
[17:32] <many_> i have installed kunbuntu 6.à on my laptop where previously win xp was installed since kunbuntu is installed i can't play multimedia files use my wireless port
[17:33] <ct529> BluesKaj: hi there!
[17:33] <ct529> many_: which multimedia files
[17:34] <ct529> BluesKaj: I do not know why but it does not show in my openoffice ....
[17:34] <many_> any type mp3 mp4 videos dvd's and my wireless port doesn't fonction no more
[17:34] <maco_> any other jaunty users unable to start plasma today?
[17:36] <ct529> many_: you have to install some players .... is the wireless switched on?
[17:37] <many_> i can't switch it one anymore
[17:37] <many_> i meant switch it on!
[17:37] <leo> Bonsoir ^
[17:37] <leo> ^^*
[17:37] <ct529> BluesKaj: nope, it does not work in any way ....
[17:37] <ct529> many_: what version of kubuntu?
[17:37] <many_> bonsoir
[17:38] <many_> 6.0
[17:38] <leo> Kubuntu, sérieux, c'est trop bien!
[17:38] <maco_> many_: 6.06, you mean?
[17:38] <maco_> leo: #kubuntu-fr
[17:38] <leo> Je viens tout juste de l'installer, mais je ne trouve absolument rien à redire.
[17:38] <leo> J'adore o.o
[17:38] <leo> thanks xD
[17:39] <maco_> ne parlais pas francais...uh...here
[17:39] <many_> yeahyeah
[17:39] <many_> 6.06
[17:39] <mefisto__> 6.06 is way too old
[17:40] <maco_> its goin end of life in a few months
[17:40] <many_> how may i update it to a newer version?
[17:40] <maco_> the update manager should give you an option to update 8.04, i think
[17:40] <many_> leo t'es franccais?
[17:40] <ct529> many_: I do not know about 606 sorry
[17:40] <mefisto__> !6.06
[17:41] <Slartibartfast> ! fr| many_
[17:41] <many_> where do i find the update manager
[17:41] <maco_> many_: adept
[17:41] <mefisto__> !upgrade
[17:41] <many_> don't worry i'm able to speek english as well as french
[17:41] <maco_> many_: it's an english-only channel. i sent him to the french channel.
[17:42] <many_> the update fonction doesn't work
[17:42] <ct529> :(:(:(:( .... I cannot write the symbol % in a formula in opeoffice .... is there a trick? what the heck is happening on kubuntu?
[17:43] <ct529> (well, in openoffice in kubuntu)
[17:46] <mefisto__> many_: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades (enable "dapper-updates" repo, install "update-manager-core" then run "sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop")
[17:46] <enrico_> ciao
[17:46] <jharris> ok, so I thought I had fixed my installation of kde 4.2, but now when I log into a kde session, I don't have a window manager.
[17:47] <jharris> When I run kwin from a terminal, I get:
[17:47] <jharris> kwin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwin.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI26KDecorationFactoryUnstable
[17:47] <enrico_> ciao
[17:48] <joseph> yo
[17:48] <jharris> any ideas about kwin error?
[17:48] <joseph> ghk
[17:49] <joseph> i have in idea about kwin error
[17:49] <Slartibartfast> jharris looks like its already reported on launchpad as Bug 311645
[17:50] <joseph> you suck
[17:52] <Slartibartfast> jharris .. is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6506394 ... helpful ?
[17:53] <jharris> Slartibartfast: thanks, I'll try it
[17:54] <KomiaPoika> how can i mount read/write a ntfs hard drive?
[17:54] <St`> byezzzz
[17:54] <Slartibartfast> KomiaPoika, use ntfs-3g ?
[17:55] <dr_Willis> and the answer is... NTFS-3G
[17:55] <dr_Willis> :)
[17:55] <mefisto__> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[17:55] <dr_Willis> They really need to make some 'setup ntfs wizard' to help people out a bit
[17:55] <draik_> Where is the location of the .sudoers file?
[17:56] <dr_Willis> I rember to mount mine in the installer. :)
[17:56] <ct529> KomiaPoika: you should install the ntfs-3g package first
[17:56] <dr_Willis>  /etc/sudoers is one...
[17:56] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: there is ntfs-config
[17:56] <dr_Willis> ntfs-config dosent do a whole lot some times. :)
[17:56] <jharris> ok, here goes...
[17:56] <Slartibartfast> draik_ edit with sudo visudo
[17:56] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: ok. it's always worked for me
[17:57] <draik_> Thanks dr_Willis and Slartibartfast
[17:57] <dr_Willis> mefisto__,  if you want to mount a new ntfs drive to fstab and so forth.. it dont do that sort of task..  actually ive seen where it dont even do what its suppsoed to dio. :)
[17:58] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: I thought that's exactly what it does. adds a fstab entry and mounts it for you
[17:58] <dr_Willis> ive watched it befor.. and it dident add one here.
[17:58] <dr_Willis> it did change one from ntfs to ntfs-3g
[17:58] <Slartibartfast> better also not mount a vista partion ...
[17:59] <Slartibartfast> vista won't like
[18:01] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: what about mounting ro ? does vista still not like?
[18:01] <dr_Willis> I have had very few problems with ntfs  and ntfs-3g.. but i also know to not hibernate/suspend windows.. and force the ntfs to mount
[18:03] <Slartibartfast> mefisto__ i am not really sure. i just won't recommend it ... vista-ntfs is a next generation ntfs ... i and when booted the "old way" it won't start up anymore
[18:04] <dr_Willis> Im using windows 7 here. and mount the filesystem with  ntfs-3g all the time. No hassles. I did notiuce that all the 'read ext2/3' tools for vista dont work under Windows7 :(
[18:04] <mDemocritus> i've been unable to find this with google... i'm trying to change the application icon for firefox. running kubuntu hardy. where should i change it? i've tried changing the symlinks in /usr/share/pixmaps, but no luck.
[18:06] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: where is the icon?
[18:07] <dr_Willis> You mean the icon in the menus?
[18:07] <dr_Willis> Or the one shown when the program runs in the title/other places?
[18:08] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: it's in my home dir, but i also copied it to /usr/share/firefox/icons
[18:11] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: you're talking about an image? or a clickable icon that starts firefox?
[18:11] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: the image
[18:12] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: i changed it in avant, so the launcher shows the new icon, but when firefox is running it's still using the old icon for the open window
[18:12] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: if it's the icon in kmenu you want to change, you can set it in menu editor
[18:12] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: tried that too... menu editor locks when i try it
[18:13] <mDemocritus> :(
[18:13] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: i've logged in/logged out, restarted x
[18:13] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: so you want to change the icon shown in the firefox titlebar?
[18:14] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: that'd be nice, but all i really care about is the icon in avant that links to the open window
[18:15] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: seems to me that that's a setting deeper within the system, hence my trying to change the simlinks in /usr/share/pixmaps
[18:15] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: didn't you say you changed it in avant?
[18:15] <dr_Willis> I thought that icon was built into firefox, or in its files somewhere.
[18:15] <dr_Willis> someone was asking a similer question the other day
[18:15] <mefisto__> mDemocritus: anyway, you could try searching for all instances of firefox.png and replacing them with the image you want
[18:15] <mDemocritus> mefisto__: i changed the icon in avant for the launcher, but it still shows the old icon for the running instance of firefox
[18:24] <wathek_> hello all
[18:25] <wathek_> is there a way to remove windows from a machine which got a dual boot and to resize the Kubuntu partition so it uses the Windows partition ?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> !hi | wathek_
[18:27] <noren> wathek_u want to completly remove windows or readjust the partition
[18:27] <wathek> completely remove windows
[18:27] <wathek> and readjust the linux partition
[18:28] <noren> !partition
[18:28] <mefisto__> wathek: if I were you, I would delete the windows partition and replace it with a new ext3 partition rather than resizing. it will be much quicker, and safer
[18:28] <noren> mefisto__L i agree to that
[18:28] <wathek> mefisto__, I don't wanna have two partitions
[18:29] <wathek> I know I could do that it'll take less time
[18:29] <noren> wathek:  better to have two partition for the crisis situation u can use one of them for /home or  /data
[18:30] <noren> !Gparted
[18:30] <wathek> noren, yes you're right but my actual parititions table contains only two partitions the swap one and the root one
[18:30] <dr_Willis> if resizing a ntfs - i find that the vista tools for resizing them - are MUCH faster then the linux tools also.
[18:31] <wathek> dr_Willis, it's resizing an ext3 partition
[18:31] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: vista in particular? or windows tools generally?
[18:31] <wathek> mefisto__, vista
[18:31] <noren> dr_Willis: i think he want to remove the windows partition and give the ssame space to linux
[18:31] <dr_Willis> resize it to zero? :)
[18:31] <wathek> noren, give the space of Windows to linux
[18:31] <Slartibartfast> wathek, if i were you i would use fdisk ... change the type of the partition and format it with mkfs.ext3 ...
[18:32] <noren> !Gparted | wathek
[18:32] <wathek> noren, yep I seen that
[18:32] <dr_Willis> yea. fdisk , delete the parittion remake it. change its type..  save changes.. exit.. format partition
[18:33] <wathek> Slartibartfast, yes but is there a way to link my actual root partition to the new one so that when the root is full it uses the new partition ?
[18:33] <Slartibartfast> and then mount as /home ... then when you re-install you will keep your personal files in /home
[18:34] <Slartibartfast> how big is your / partiotion now /
[18:34] <Slartibartfast> ?
[18:34] <wathek> 120Go
[18:34] <wathek> 126
[18:34] <Slartibartfast> wow ...
[18:34] <wathek> yep
[18:34] <Slartibartfast> :-D
[18:35] <wathek> and only 25 if it is free
[18:35] <wathek> and the Windows partition is 100 Go and I don't use Windows
[18:35] <Slartibartfast> a normal installation of Kubuntu can easely be in a 20 GB partiton ... the rest will get into /home ... probably
[18:36] <mefisto__> wathek: make the windows space your /home
[18:36] <wathek> mefisto__, have to resize the root partition too
[18:36] <mefisto__> wathek: it's very unlikely you'll ever use all that space for /
[18:36] <Slartibartfast> no need
[18:37] <wathek> Slartibartfast, my home folder is using the most of the root space
[18:37] <wathek> mefisto__, 90G only for /home
[18:37] <Slartibartfast> yes ... that happens here too :-)
[18:37] <mefisto__> wathek: move your /home to the new partition, and that will free the space it's taking up on / now
[18:38] <Slartibartfast> indeed
[18:38] <wathek> mefisto__, yes and then I resize the root partition so it'll be about 40 G
[18:38] <wathek> and then I resize the home partition to get the rest of the space
[18:38] <noren> ya thats why i have kept my /home partion different
[18:38] <wathek> I think that that's the solution
[18:38] <Slartibartfast> 20 GB is also more then enough
[18:39] <alehanders> ciao
[18:39] <wathek> 1- Delete the Windows Partition and make it an ext3 one
[18:39] <Slartibartfast> maybe even 10 GB is already enough
[18:39] <alehanders> w ubuntu! xD
[18:39] <wathek> 2- move my /home folder to the new partition
[18:39] <alehanders> www.aems.altervista.org
[18:39] <wathek> 3- resize the root partition
[18:39] <noren> fresh install on kubuntu took only 4gb in root
[18:39] <wathek> 4- resize the /home partition
[18:42] <wathek> thanx guys
[18:42] <mefisto__> wathek: and edit fstab accordingly after making whatever changes you decide on
[18:42] <wathek> yep I'll need to add an entry to my fstab to mount my home partition
[18:43] <Slartibartfast> you know it uses vol_id now ?
[18:44] <wathek> how's that ?
[18:45] <Slartibartfast> when having reformated the partition with ext3 ... do a "vol_id /dev/sdX" ... it gives you a long number to use instead of /dev/sdX
[18:45] <FFForever> where is the room for kubuntu-jaunty?
[18:45] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: you mean fstab uses UUIDs ?
[18:45] <Slartibartfast> yes
[18:45] <wathek> Slartibartfast, and what's the difference ?
[18:45] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: you can still use /dev/sdX
[18:46] <Slartibartfast> no .. i mean to get the UUID is to use vol_id
[18:46] <SuperMoos> Hello, I have no sound with Java in FireFox.  All of the flash games, etc have sound.  How would I fix that ?
[18:46] <wathek> Slartibartfast, ok thanx ;)
[18:47] <austin_> Every video file i run, shows video all flickered
[18:47] <austin_> what do i do to fix this?
[18:48] <Slartibartfast> mefisto__ well since 2.6.19 i think there was a change in hdX to everything sdX ...... since then everything changed .. what is SDA when installing seems to be SDC or SDB when booting the system
[18:48] <Exilant> austin_: disable compositing
[18:48] <austin_> exilant: how?
[18:48] <Exilant> or use another video output
[18:48] <austin_> I'll try the compositing one...how do i go about doing that
[18:49] <Exilant> theres a widget for turning it on and off
[18:49] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: that's a separate issue. that problem can be sorted by editing /boot/grub/device.map
[18:49] <Exilant> some shortcut key
[18:49] <Exilant> and somewhere in system-settings->desktop
[18:51] <dr_Willis> if using thumnbdrives and stuff. some times sda and sdb and so on can jump ariound this is why the fstab and grub are slowly gettting changed to use UUID type  informatin
[18:52] <ehird> Is there a way to give kde3 apps the oxygen theme, using kde4?
[18:52] <Slartibartfast> mefisto__ OK .. but it still needed some extra tweaking when using only /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX ... when booting after installation .....  at the time there where no UUID's used in fstab
[18:55] <mefisto__> Slartibartfast: just curious. do you know if the change from hdX to sdX for all hard disks was ubuntu/debian only? or was it the kernel itself and therefore all distros?
[18:55] <vitopoma> hi
[18:56] <racecar56> i don't have hardy yet, but kubuntu hardy is dying this october?
[18:56] <vitopoma> i cant use samba in kubuntu
[18:56] <vitopoma> dolphiin doesn't let me share any folder
[18:57] <vitopoma> is there a bug?
[18:57] <vitopoma> or am i missing something?
[18:57] <mefisto__> !8.04
[18:57] <Slartibartfast> mefisto__ as far as i know it was from the kernel ... the big distro's changed then to use unique ID's for HD's ... like Suse uses now /dev/disk/by-id/ .. only last time i used debian they still kept /dev/hdX
[18:58] <vitopoma> apart this kde4.2 is great
[18:58] <vitopoma> :)
[18:59] <mefisto__> racecar56: ^^ hardy is LTS (long term support) release. which means support lasts for 3 years if I"m not mistaken
[18:59] <Dragnslicer> racecar56- I believe that Kubuntu 8.04 is officially supported until October, but Ubuntu 8.04 is supported for another couple years, so the only packages that won't be supported anymore should just be KDE 3.5
[18:59] <Slartibartfast> !lts
[19:00] <racecar56> nuuuuuu why does kde 3 have to die? its rock stable
[19:00] <vitopoma> maybe i have to configure something to make samba work in dolphin?
[19:00] <Dragnslicer> The LTS situation for 8.04 got a bit confusing because of KDE 3
[19:01] <vitopoma> l am a newbie..
[19:03] <Exilant> is 8.04 now lts?
[19:03] <Exilant> first it was, then not, now i'm running 8.04.2
[19:04] <Slartibartfast> Exilant,  8.04.2 as well as 8.0.4
[19:04] <martijn81> vitopoma: hi, i guess samba does not work at all under dolphin
[19:04] <martijn81> you need konqueror for this
[19:04] <Slartibartfast> 8.0.4.2 just has some updated packages so you won't have to install 200+ updates
[19:05] <NigelS> martijn81: what do you mean? samba works fine with dolphin
[19:05] <vitopoma> it doesnt work even in konquerorr for me
[19:05] <NigelS> vitopoma: do you actually have samba installed?
[19:05] <vitopoma> yer
[19:05] <mefisto__> vitopoma: is samba installed? I think it should be by default
[19:06] <vitopoma> yes i installed also kdenetwork-share
[19:06] <NigelS> vitopoma: are you sure - you prob don't have smbd and nmbd - dpkg -l \*samba\*
[19:06] <vitopoma> samba for me works in nautilus
[19:07]  * Slartibartfast need to go
[19:07] <vitopoma> i think the problem is kdenetwork-share
[19:08] <vitopoma> i can't change the settings of samba inside the control panel
[19:08] <NigelS> vitopoma: I'm not sure that it works properly - but with manual modification of /etc/samba/smb.conf I've had no problem browsing and sharing
[19:08] <vitopoma> with konqueror?
[19:08] <NigelS> vitopoma: with dolphin or any program
[19:10] <vitopoma> when in dolphin i want to share a folder it says me i have to configure samba
[19:10] <vitopoma> i insert the root password
[19:10] <vitopoma> and nothing happens
[19:11] <vitopoma> it doesn't open kcmshell ksambaconf
[19:11] <mefisto__> kcmshell4 ?
[19:11] <vitopoma> yes
[19:11] <NigelS> vitopoma: with dolphin 1.2 in kde 4.2, I can go to right click --> properties --> sharing tab --> configure file sharing and then choose to add a new folder
[19:12] <olewolf> Kopete won't connect to MSN Messenger on my girlfriend's computer, but it works on mine. Apparently I'm running kopete v. 0.70 and her kopete is version 0.60.4. I added the experimental launchpad repos at one time on my computer. Can someone tell me whether 0.60.4 is the official release for intrepid?
[19:12] <vitopoma> what version of kdenetwork-share do you use?
[19:13] <Luija> hello guys
[19:13] <Luija> i have a question
[19:13] <Luija> i have a desktop computer
[19:13] <Luija> so what version of kubuntu should i install
[19:13] <Luija> standard pc or 64 bit?
[19:13] <vitopoma> what version of kdenetwork-filesharing do you use?
[19:13] <Exilant> depends on wether it is a 64 bit machine...
[19:14] <user6> #windows
[19:14] <Exilant> standard will work in any case
[19:14] <NigelS> vitopoma: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4
[19:14] <mefisto__> Luija: 32bit will work on both
[19:14] <ubuntu_> hi
[19:14] <Luija> yes¡
[19:14] <Luija> i mean
[19:14] <Luija> yes
[19:14] <Luija> ok
[19:14] <Luija> thx :)
[19:14] <NigelS> vitopoma: this is with 8.10 and kde 4.2 packages
[19:14] <vitopoma> i use 4.4.2
[19:15] <ubuntu_> i need to perform a "REAL LOW LEVEL FORMAT" please tell me some utility i can use for that
[19:15] <NigelS> vitopoma: in any event, adding the share to /etc/samba/smb.conf and then doing a sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart will work
[19:15] <vitopoma> can i install your version in kde 4.2?
[19:15] <NigelS> vitopoma: you should also set "share" level security if you want what windows calls "simple file sharing"
[19:16] <frozenfoxx> Have a Kubuntu 8.10 installation (KDE4 variant) that just did an upgrade and broke the X server.
[19:16] <frozenfoxx> Manually installed the latest ATI binary driver, Xorg.0.log doesn't complain about not finding a video device
[19:16] <frozenfoxx> Sound familiar to anyone?
[19:17] <vitopoma> thank you
[19:17] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: what does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log  show?
[19:17] <mefisto__> vitopoma: does      kcmshell4 fileshare    work for you?
[19:18] <Luija> !kubuntu-es
[19:18] <Luija> wtf
[19:18] <vitopoma> only when i open it in a terminal
[19:18] <mefisto__> !es
[19:18] <Luija> lol
[19:18] <Luija> thx
[19:19] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Dunno, it'll be up in a minute (long network load, wifi), I'll tell you in just a second
[19:19] <mefisto__> vitopoma: I also cannot get the gui to add a shared folder in 4.2
[19:20] <NigelS> I think the samba gui is basically broken atm, best to not rely on it - I noticed that settings weren't sticking
[19:22] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: what do you mean by "real low level format"? you're concerned about leaving data behind? or something else?
[19:22] <ehird> mefisto__: I think he means he wants a multiple-zeroing formatty thing.
[19:25] <vitopoma> so there is a bug in kdenetwork-filesharing.. I'll try to install 4.4.1.2 version. is it safe?
[19:26] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: From the "EE" it looks like "Loading extension MIT-Screen-Saver" and "(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch
[19:26] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Suppose I was wrong, could be the video drivers, but I don't see how unless the ATI 9.2 driver breaks compatibility
[19:27] <frozenfoxx> And actually it broke even before that, with the 8.5 drivers installed.
[19:27] <ubuntu_> mefisto, i mean a real low level format not just wipe the disk with zeroes, im already performing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda,  its been 20 minutes since then and the program is still working
[19:27] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: does it fall back to console login? or just black screen
[19:28] <ubuntu_> mefisto, i want to get rid of bad blocks
[19:28] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: console
[19:29] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: If I could remember how to get apt-get to completely reset the Xorg package without breaking stuff (not sure if a dpkg-reconfigure would do this properly) I suppose I could try to reset the package and reinstall the ATI driver.
[19:29] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: sounds like the installation of your drivers was borked somehow - was your xorg.conf changed and when you did the manual install was that with the ubuntu package installed?
[19:29] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: I'd purge any fglrx packages, ubuntu or ati and then retry - did you install with a buildpkg command?
[19:30] <ubuntu_> why is the internet full of people asking how to low level format, and all responses is "thats dangerous dont do it" tell how to low level format or just shut up stop lecturing us
[19:30] <ubuntu_> gr
[19:31] <ehird> goauld: complaining will make people help you more.
[19:33] <goauld> im just tired of people asking why i want to do something instead of telling yes or no
[19:33] <goauld> lol
[19:34] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: to my knowledge (it's my wife's system) she was running proprietary drivers only, so I'm guessing that with the upgrade a new X must've broken it.
[19:34] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: I'll try to have it remove the ati drivers and any fglrx packages.  I haven't used buildpkg, but how can I get the xorg.conf back to the stock state from the package maintainer (or have it autoconfig)?
[19:34] <goauld> ill ask in debian they are the real professionals
[19:34] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Been awhile, sorry about the question.
[19:35] <omer_> How can I change my distro's language?
[19:35] <NigelS> goauld: sometimes it's a legitimate question since people don't always know what they're doing well enough to know there's a better way; also your terminology is a little odd - if you want to erase data irrecoverably you can have a go with shred which will make multiple passes writing zeros to a drive
[19:35] <draik_> How can I add automatic mounting to the hard drives in my computer?
[19:35] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Lookup modifying the /etc/fstab
[19:35] <goauld> nigeis, its not people's problem whats the result of my doings
[19:36] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[19:36] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Nice, gonna jot that down in my admin manual...
[19:36] <goauld> nigeis, that is like asume everyone is stupid and taking lots of steps before give the help
[19:36] <NigelS> goauld: actually it is since they don't want to waste their time with a solution that turns out to be for a problem other than the one described so asking people to talk about what they're trying to accomplish is not so unreasonable now is it?
[19:37] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: with -phigh you're asked some questions, -pcritical should ask none and give a basic file
[19:37] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: you'll probably need to remove all ati drivers and reinstall just one of them
[19:38] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: fglrx that is
[19:38] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: so my recommendation would be - purge fglrx (if installed manually I think you have to use their installed to uninstall) and also apt-get remove any ubuntu fglrx packages.  you may want to reinstall the dri packages to be sure that's in a consistent state - then get the fglrx 9.2 installer and run with -buildpkg Ubuntu/Intrepid (assuming that's your version)
[19:39] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: that'll give you a load of .debs which you can install -also run aticonfig to have the xorg.conf sorted out for fglrx
[19:39] <goauld> nigeis, you are right, people is stupid and when they ask about a specific information to do something is because the underlaying problem is another and easier to fix
[19:39] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: depending on your chipset (r500 etc) the OSS driver might even support full accel now
[19:39] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: and if possible, install without catalyst - just the driver
[19:40] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Gotcha.  It's a X1600 so I think it's a r600, but honestly I don't watch the hardware that close to know for certain.
[19:41]  * frozenfoxx goes to implement aforementioned changes.
[19:41] <draik_> frozenfoxx: Is there a method I can use to make sure I don't mess it up in any shape way or form?
[19:41] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: the r600s are the moden 2000 series, the r700s the 4000
[19:42] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Well, if you *don't* touch what's in there now it should be fine, just add to the bottom.
[19:42] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Huh, guess it might a r500 now after all.  Full acceleration with radeonhd?
[19:43] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: possibly - check out http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature which lists the capabilities at present of the radeon and radeonhd OSS drivers
[19:43] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: lshw -C display    will tell you what you have
[19:43] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: R530
[19:44] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: this place might be of help too: http://wiki.cchtml.com/
[19:45] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: cool that should be supported by the latest radeonhd to a good extent - requires some settings in xorg.conf though AccelMethod Exa for example - it's on their wiki - generally with ati cards its best to try the options and see which works best - fglrx has horrendous bugs but might be better for now than radeonhd or maybe RHD is great for r500 now :)
[19:47] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: Thanks for the tip.  I'm working on getting through the earlier steps now though before I get ahead of myself. :)
[19:47] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: hehe, well just having that minimal xorg.conf should get you a display since it will default to the radeon driver
[19:54] <harjot> !mount manager
[19:57] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: You said to reinstall the DRI packages to make sure they're in a good state, don't suppose you know offhand which packages control DRI?
[19:57] <frozenfoxx> I've decided to give the OSS drivers a shot since, honestly, we like OSS
[19:58] <Guest7543> hola
[20:00] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: libgl1-mesa-dri and I'd just check that those features for r500 are in the current ubuntu version - some of them might only be in the development code which is yet to hit Intrepid
[20:00] <harjot> !mountmanager
[20:03] <antonio_> hola
[20:04] <antonio_> hace unos días instalé en mi ordenador el kubuntu, pero no consigo abrir mi correo electonico de hotmail
[20:05] <draik_> !es | antonio_
[20:05] <antonio_> alguien puede decirme que pasa, hago klic en el mensaje pero no se abre
[20:08] <moebius> msg
[20:10] <antonio_> hola soy de madrid
[20:11] <moebius> hola soy de bloomington
[20:11] <antonio_> hace poco instale kubuntu
[20:11] <antonio_> no consigo abrir mis e-mail de hotmail
[20:12] <antonio_> cuando hago klic el mensaje no se abre
[20:12] <antonio_> que puedo hacer?
[20:14] <moebius> part
[20:14] <moebius> quit
[20:21] <donat> меня видно?
[20:21] <donat> наверно нет..
[20:24] <mefisto__> !ru
[20:25] <devilsadvocate> hi.. i have a bit of a problem. my kontact sort of crashed (somewhat randomly) the last time i tried to open it with a bunch of errors that suggested the filesystem wasnt writeable. now when i start it i dont see my disconnected imap accounts there. any hints on how to get it back?
[20:29] <frozenfoxx> NigelS, got some more fun if you don't mind a few more minutes...while X itself comes up now (purged fglrx, ati, dri, and reinstalled dri and radeonhd) it complains there's no .xsession or .Xsession in the user's home
[20:30] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: True enough, I don't see one, but I have no idea how that would've gotten obliterated.  Any way to just regenerate one?
[20:30] <Exilant> cp the one from /etc/skel
[20:30] <Exilant> if there is one
[20:31] <frozenfoxx> Hmm, strange though, I don't see one of those in another working installation I'm using right now.
[20:31] <frozenfoxx> Exilant: Don't see one there
[20:33] <frozenfoxx> I would've imagined that running up /etc/init.d/kdm would take care of these issues, but it dies, too
[20:33] <frozenfoxx> Says /usr/bin/kdm isn't there...
[20:34] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession  ?
[20:34] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: Yes, and there's a Xsession.d as well
[20:37] <frozenfoxx> I suppose I could just tell it to reinstall KDM
[20:37] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: maybe try removing any reference to ~/.xsession from /etc/X11/Xsession  or try creating an empty .xsession file to stop the message ?
[20:38] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: I could, but there isn't a .xsession file of any kind on my functional Kubuntu install, so I figure that shouldn't be what it's *really* complaining about.  kdm not being in /usr/bin is really troubling
[20:39] <frozenfoxx> Ah, the wife tells me now that something *bad* happened with kdm when updating...must've been it.
[20:39] <mefisto__> whereis kdm  ?
[20:39] <frozenfoxx> On that system...it's not there, apparently.  Going to try removing the package and resinstalling
[20:39] <mefisto__> kdm does work still?
[20:40] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: No, that's what I'm saying
[20:40] <frozenfoxx> Ah, says it's completely gone...very nice.
[20:40] <Guest60144> wow ..  i found a chat ... whats up people ~~
[20:40] <frozenfoxx> Kubuntu things.
[20:41] <Guest60144> how do i change my name in here ?
[20:41] <mefisto__> /nick your-new-nick
[20:42] <StretchedOut> THanks allot
[20:43] <StretchedOut> i just got a new Msi- Mobo,   and a 3.1 dualcore AM 64 and 8gigs of SLI ocz ram
[20:43] <StretchedOut> RUNNIN dual boot with vista ultimate and now Ubuntu
[20:44] <StretchedOut> Loving it
[20:44] <noren> !shutdown
[20:45] <draik_> frozenfoxx: What am I to put into my fstab?
[20:45] <draik_> I've been trying to find something but can't
[20:45] <noren> is there any script for timed shutdown of system
[20:46] <noren> draik_: hi whats up
[20:47] <draik_> noren: Hi. I'm just trying to put an automount for my 3 other HDDs
[20:48] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Just something to keep in mind for future research check out a "man fstab" for all options
[20:48] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Also you can usually reference the other lines for your hard drives for something to modify
[20:48] <mefisto__> noren: kde4.2 ?
[20:48] <noren> mefisto__: yes
[20:49] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Such as a line "/dev/sda4 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1" will mount up the first sd drive (hard drive) that it sees to /, ext3 as the file system, and will remount it as read-only if it screws up bad
[20:49] <mefisto__> noren: you could go to systemsettings> task scheduler  and add /sbin/shutdown to run when you want it to
[20:50] <frozenfoxx> draik_: In yours you probably see a lot of "UUID=<hairy-looking alpha-numerics>"
[20:50] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: shouldn't that last 1 be 0 for root partition?
[20:50] <frozenfoxx> draik_: That's just a "better" way of referencing the drive since it'll be consistent regardless of when it's detected on bootup
[20:50] <StretchedOut> lol
[20:51] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: It's not on mine, but honestly I have no idea since normally I mess with NFS and Solaris mounts.
[20:51] <noren> mefisto__: dont see any option llllike that there
[20:51] <mefisto__> noren: you don't have task scheduler? it's in the advanced tab on mine
[20:51] <frozenfoxx> draik_: I'd love to tell you how to get the UUID for your hard drive partitions, but I don't remember.  Yahoo/Google/Live should know, though
[20:52] <StretchedOut> where can i go to get really cool themes.  i seen one someone had, it was a neoluminesence ...
[20:52] <mefisto__> noren: is kcron installed?
[20:53] <noren> mefisto__: i have service manageer session manageeer
[20:53] <frozenfoxx> draik_: That should get you started, though.  I know it's a little complicated, but really after you start to get the hang of it it's not hard.
[20:53] <noren> !theme
[20:53] <frozenfoxx> draik_: My *big* recommendation is that after getting your /etc/fstab how you like, make a copy to keep in your home directory for backups
[20:53] <frozenfoxx> draik_: That way you can always rebuild and not have to say, "Oh, s.o.b., how was that done?"
[20:54] <mefisto__> draik_: sudo vol_id /dev/sda1  (for example)
[20:55] <mefisto__> draik_: to get UUID that is
[20:55] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: Very nice
[20:56] <draik_> frozenfoxx: Right now, I'm saying "fudge! Shooty backup failed"
[20:56] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Yeah, I've got something like that at work right now, only dealing with tapes.  :(
[20:57] <draik_> I lost all of my music, all of my pictures, all of EVERYTHING. :'(
[20:58] <frozenfoxx> draik_: Yeah, that happened to me once.  Now I backup everything a couple of ways.
[20:58] <noren> draik_: thats BAD :(
[21:00] <noren> even i lost data worth 160gb then haaaad to usse file recovery i could only recover 40gb of that :(
[21:00] <frozenfoxx> draik_: It may sound like overkill, but I've found a separate backup server with an external hard drive and a hardware RAID on your main media server + NFSv4 mounts = pretty happy setup.
[21:00] <frozenfoxx> Over time you can also set up a more robust internal and external RAID setup on the backup server.
[21:00] <frozenfoxx> But I'd just get a BluRay burner and make hard copies
[21:00] <noren> !RAID
[21:02] <draik_> I'm going to get something setup as my backup server soon. Sis is getting rid of her old PC and that's my key to a backup server
[21:02] <Duesentrieb_> !suspend
[21:02] <Duesentrieb_> bah, bad bot foo.
[21:02] <Duesentrieb_> so, who can tell me how to get suspend/hiobernat back into my menu?
[21:06] <kaddi> !de
[21:06] <kaddi> hi :)
[21:07] <noren> kaddi: hi
[21:10] <mefisto__> noren: do you have kcron installed? task scheduler should show up in systemsettings if it is installed
[21:10] <luis__> ei, guys how i can install firefox in konsole??
[21:10] <devilsadvocate> luis__, sudo aptitude install firefox
[21:11] <mefisto__> noren: or   kcmshell4 kcm_cron
[21:11] <luis__> thx a lot guys :D
[21:11] <_Whipper> aptget install all :)
[21:12] <ockonal> hello
[21:13] <ockonal> i think, that my sound is lower, than it was in Windows =)
[21:13] <_Whipper> \o
[21:13] <ockonal> I can't use that volume in Linux
[21:13] <mefisto__> ockonal: turn it down in windows :)
[21:13] <ockonal> mefisto_: :D
[21:14] <_Whipper> and i f**ng cant use this client.. :P
[21:15] <ockonal> Whipper: what client?
[21:15] <_Whipper> Konverstat.
[21:15] <_Whipper> this sucks a lot
[21:15] <mefisto__> _Whipper: what's wrong?
[21:16] <_Whipper> cant get the confs the way i want in this client
[21:17] <devilsadvocate> ockonal, check your PCM settings
[21:17] <ockonal> devilsadvocate: where are them?
[21:17] <devilsadvocate> ockonal, i usually do that on the command line
[21:17] <devilsadvocate> ockonal, alsamixer
[21:17] <ockonal> alsamixer: are there any gui?
[21:18] <mefisto__> ockonal: kmix
[21:18] <ockonal> alsamixer: kMix?
[21:18] <larsll> ockonal: kmix?
[21:18] <ockonal> :-D
[21:18] <ockonal> Thanx
[21:18] <mefisto__> ockonal: you might have to right-click to enable some of the channels in kmix
[21:19] <mefisto__> ockonal: not enable, but to show them
[21:19] <ockonal> mefisto__: Ok, thanks. Now i know what to do
[21:20] <_Whipper> dmn.. beer and a fag, and back to basics :) >
[21:20] <mefisto__> _Whipper: what settings are you looking for?
[21:20] <_Whipper> just installed Sabayon on the othe machinae, thats.. umm.. quite interesting distro ;)
[21:21] <_Whipper> mef: all ;)
[21:21] <_Whipper> mef: just have to learn how to use this client, or try another..
[21:22] <_Whipper> but now thatbeer and a fag
[21:22] <mefisto__> _Whipper: there's a kde4 one called quassel you might want to try
[21:22] <lokpest> hmm, my Kaffeine tries to install some codecs when I try to watch something, but then says "Codec package is already installed" but then I cant watch anyway...
[21:22] <_Whipper> mef: thnx, ill loo it up somewhere-in-time ;)
[21:23] <mefisto__> lokpest: I get that occasionally
[21:23] <lokpest> ok?
[21:23] <mefisto__> lokpest: usually closing kaffeine and restarting fixes it
[21:24] <lokpest> mefisto__: hmmm, no, have been like that for a long period now
[21:24] <kaddi> anyone using kde 4.2 on a laptop? my laptop freezes for a couple of secondes whenever it tries to display a "energy is low" message
[21:25] <mefisto__> lokpest: long period, like after reboots?
[21:25] <lokpest> yes
[21:25] <kaddi> it also resets my desktop brightness to the top
[21:25] <kaddi> :D
[21:26] <mefisto__> lokpest: on everything? or just DVDs?
[21:26] <noren__> i m trying to find something to speed up the Konqueror
[21:26] <racecar56_> i want to disable touch to click on kde 4.1.4 how do i do that?
[21:26] <lokpest> mefisto__: hmm, have not tested dvds, mostly webstreams
[21:27] <lokpest> but also local moviefiles iirc
[21:27] <mefisto__> lokpest: and you have the needed codecs installed?
[21:27] <lokpest> mefisto__: well, it tells me I do
[21:30] <lokpest> mefisto__: do you have any Idea whats the codec package for kaffeine?
[21:30] <mefisto__> lokpest: do you have medibuntu repo added?
[21:30] <lokpest> no
[21:31] <mefisto__> !medibuntu
[21:31] <mefisto__> lokpest: if you add that repo, install non-free-codecs
[21:32] <mefisto__> lokpest: or try installing w32codecs (assuming you're not running 64bit)
[21:32] <lokpest> uhm, no thanks
[21:32] <mefisto__> ?
[21:32]  * bye-bye-Whip walked away for-a-while
[21:32] <racecar56_> how do i disable tack to click?
[21:32] <racecar56_> *tap
[21:32]  * lokpest has unchecked multiverse, if that is relevant by any way...
[21:33] <mefisto__> lokpest: you don't want the codecs?
[21:33] <racecar56_> how do i disable tap to click? im runnning kde 4.2 if that helps (i just upgraded)
[21:34] <mefisto__> racecar56_: what is it?
[21:35] <lokpest> mefisto__: not the non-free ones, I thought kaffeine was able to use something like the mplayer reversed enineered stuff
[21:35] <racecar56_> what's waht?
[21:35] <mefisto__> racecar56_: what's tap to click?
[21:36] <racecar56_> you tap the touchpad and it acts like you clicked
[21:37] <mefisto__> lokpest: if you don't have the non-free codecs, you can only watch video encoded with free codecs, no matter what player (except maybe vlc, which is considered non-free because it comes with non-free codecs :) )
[21:38] <lokpest> mefisto__: I thought mplayer hade reverse enineered codecs?
[21:39] <mefisto__> racecar56_: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:39] <mefisto__> racecar56_: add this: Option "TapButton1" "0"
[21:39] <racecar56_> but xorg.conf way dosen't work/kills my system
[21:39] <lokpest> mefisto__: ok, so how do i tell Konq to use mplayer instead of kaffeine?
[21:40] <mefisto__> lokpest: does mplayer play the files you want?
[21:40] <lokpest> Idunno
[21:40] <mefisto__> lokpest: you can set defaults in systemsettings > file associations, or in konqueror settings, file associations
[21:41] <mefisto__> lokpest: I don't think that's true about mplayer. that would make it non-free
[21:42] <mefisto__> lokpest: it IS true of vlc, and that's why it's now considered non-free
[21:42] <lokpest> mefisto__: reversed engineerd codecs are free
[21:42] <lokpest> ??
[21:42] <mefisto__> lokpest: as far as I know, mplayer doesn't install any codecs, just the player
[21:43] <lokpest> well, mplayer-mozilla installs codecs iirc
[21:43] <racecar56_> ok i 'switched to kubuntu' by installing kubuntu-desktop and i want to get rid of the gnome stuff, what do i do?
[21:44] <mefisto__> racecar56_: intrepid?
[21:44] <racecar56_> yes
[21:44] <mefisto__> racecar56_: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[21:45]  * _Whipper returns..
[21:46] <lokpest> hmmm, will installing Ubuntu Hardy and then installing KDE make one have a KDE3-distro with longer support than oktober 2009??
[21:47] <mefisto__> lokpest: mozilla-mplayer is in multiverse, isn't it? so you won't have it if multiverse is disabled
[21:48] <lokpest> mefisto__: downloaded that package from website and installed manually
[21:48] <lokpest> its not non-free, just patent encumbered
[21:48] <_Whipper> in general, its a good idea check your repos Before trying anything :)
[21:48] <mefisto__> lokpest: and that would make it non-free, right? what else could it mean?
[21:49] <lokpest> no, just because its patent encumeberd does not mean its non-free
[21:49] <mefisto__> lokpest: so patented means free now?
[21:49] <_Whipper> ;)
[21:50] <reisi> is it known issue that the latest intrepid with backports and proposed repos enabled is broken?
[21:50] <wildbat> how do i use skim in Konversation?
[21:50] <mefisto__> reisi: it could break, depends on what you install
[21:50] <lokpest> well, if one would awoid all patent encumbered software, there wouldnt be a single program to run, not 1!
[21:51] <mefisto__> lokpest: that's not true at all
[21:51] <lokpest> yes
[21:51] <_Whipper> lok: u're so wrong
[21:51] <lokpest> the linux kernel potentially inflicts on about 300 patents
[21:52] <lokpest> by a study made a few yeas ago
[21:52] <_Whipper> lok: now u r talking something out of this universe
[21:52] <mefisto__> lokpest: a study commissioned by microsoft, maybe?
[21:52] <mefisto__> lokpest: where is this study?
[21:53] <reisi> mefisto__: kde-window-manager currently has a file that the latest kdebase-workspace-data is trying to overwrite, dpkg dies while aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:53] <_Whipper> maybe someone have heard abaout the conflict with MS and Suse...
[21:53] <mefisto__> lokpest: or is that study patented too, and secret?
[21:53] <lokpest> mefisto__: nope, RMS have mentioned it in his speeches
[21:54] <_Whipper> lol
[21:54] <reisi> mefisto__: though, for some reason my kde-window-manager seems to be of 4.1.4, yet all other kde packages are from 4.2.. it should be noted that this has been upgraded through kubuntu 8.04 -> 8.10..
[21:54] <lokpest> _Whipper: ??
[21:55] <_Whipper> lok: nothing, sorry, i just could not help that :)
[21:56]  * lokpest has a t-shirt that says "RMS is my homeboy :)" :-)
[21:57] <mefisto__> lokpest: http://www.pcw.co.uk/vnunet/news/2189971/torvalds-tells-microsoft-put
[21:57]  * _Whipper hasnt got a shirt at all :) only a beer and jeans :)
[21:58] <mefisto__> :)
[21:58] <mefisto__> that's a nice image you put in my head, thanks _Whipper
[21:58] <lokpest> mefisto__: well, im not sayin that the linux kernel inflicts on MS patents...
[21:58] <_Whipper> and Linus in from Finland, so u cant mess with him :)
[21:59] <lokpest> but the thing is... write code => inflict patents
[21:59] <_Whipper> or u'll be messing with me too :)
[22:00] <mefisto__> lokpest: that just doesn't make any sense. you're saying everything is non-free?
[22:00] <_Whipper> lok: u r making no sense what so ever, be more spesific
[22:01] <lokpest> mefisto__: depends, if you're saying that patent encumberd code is non-free, then yes then all code is non-free
[22:01] <mefisto__> !free
[22:01] <lokpest> but I dont see code that is patent encumbered as nonfree
[22:02] <_Whipper> hmm..
[22:03] <lokpest> mefisto__: I know wery well what free software implies, and it has nothing to do whit patents per se (althoug patents is not 100% irrelevant)
[22:03] <_Whipper> lok: u should really do some more reading abaout free software before making such assumptions..
[22:03] <lokpest> _Whipper: dito
[22:04] <mefisto__> it would be a pretty crazy patent that allowed use in a way to make it "open-source"
[22:04] <_Whipper> :)
[22:05] <mefisto__> eg, modifying the code?
[22:05] <lokpest> not what I said, but that have been thought about
[22:06] <mefisto__> ok, this is all probably way off-topic anyway
[22:06] <lokpest> you dont patent code, you patent ideas
[22:06] <lokpest> fucking asshats that makes their online videos online in proprietary format :(
[22:06] <mefisto__> sssshhh
[22:07] <_Whipper> heh :)
[22:07] <_Whipper> someone seems pretty upset abaout something..
[22:07] <lokpest> yes... I cant watch to video I want...
[22:08] <mefisto__> lokpest: you *could*
[22:08] <_Whipper> anyway, mefisto, what was the client u reffered ?
[22:08] <mefisto__> but you have that t-shirt :)
[22:08] <mefisto__> _Whipper: quassel ? irc client?
[22:08] <lokpest> mefisto__: not without using nonfree software... and thats unethical
[22:09]  * lokpest ponders on gNewsense some more...
[22:09] <_Whipper> mef: jep, something like that, other than this s**t ;)
[22:09] <Hamra> hi, anyone here with a fresh install of kubuntu jaunty? or a ready VM to insert a jaunty liveCD and try something for me?
[22:10] <kaddi> i have a suggestion for the frame-widget on kde4. :D I'd love to be able to doubleclick the current picture and get it opened in a viewer like gwenview? anybody willing to do this for me? :D
[22:10] <mefisto__> lokpest: "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." -Plato
[22:12] <lokpest> mefisto__: well, mabye somebody will make a ripp of the video and upload it to thepiratebay :-)
[22:13] <mefisto__> lokpest: maybe watching that video at all is "unethical"?
[22:13] <lokpest> why?
[22:14] <mefisto__> it's been touched by proprietary filth, and can never really be clean again :)
[22:15] <lokpest> mabye, but Im glad as long as I dont taint my system
[22:15] <lokpest> kthxbye
[22:15] <_Whipper> pretty damn good filosopfy u got there lok :)
[22:16] <_Whipper> dmn, just missed :)
[22:21] <kaddi> cu
[22:22] <_Whipper> mm.. going to try some othe client, see u, or not :)
[22:23] <srujan> Has anyone ever heard of monodevelop
[22:23] <srujan> I have a couple questions of clarification
[22:32] <fabian> I'm testing Jaunty Jackalope - nice KDE 4.2!
[22:36] <Schuenemann> hi, I'm trying to rebuild the kernel and I get this error after I run make: no rule to process target "kernel/bounds.c", needed  for "kernel/bounds.s". Stop.
[22:36] <Schuenemann> what's wrong?
[22:38] <Ch1ppy> hey, can anyone help me get msn working in kopete? it currently won't let me sign in
[22:39] <danbas> is a blu ray iso of the entire jaunty repo for AMD64 planned?
[22:39] <danbas> as is the case for lenny
[22:53] <_Whipper> some beer and pizza now.. if that solves my problms.. :)
[22:54] <SuspectZero> !mp4
[22:54] <Ch1ppy> !msn
[22:55] <Ch1ppy> psh, that doesn't help
[22:55] <_Whipper> pidgin is more like skype, dont like it..
[22:56] <Ch1ppy> Nope, I don't like it either
[22:56] <_Whipper> good old Virc would be nice tho :)
[22:57] <Walzmyn> how is pidgin like skype?
[22:57] <_Whipper> i dont have the energy to response to that :P
[22:58] <mefisto__> Ch1ppy: firewalled?
[22:58] <compilerwriter> Can someone tell me please the keyboard shortcut to reverse video a window?
[22:58] <frozenfoxx> NigelS: mefisto__:  just wanted to let you guys/gals/whatevers know, I figured out the problem for my wife's Kubuntu installation
[22:59] <frozenfoxx> Apparently during the upgrade she skipped over a question about kdm being upgraded and, somehow, the entirety of kubuntu-desktop got annihilated
[22:59] <frozenfoxx> Reinstalling that + radeonhd drivers has made it even better than before (and actually better than my nVidia graphics system in some ways...smoother, more reliable 2D)
[22:59] <mefisto__> frozenfoxx: so you had more than just kdm missing
[23:00] <_Whipper> nvidia sucks anyway, have it in my laptop, and...
[23:06] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: Yep, turns out all of KDE got erradicated.  How?  I have NO idea, but after reinstalling and rebooting (restarting X server wasn't enough) it came up just fine.
[23:07] <frozenfoxx> mefisto__: And those radeonhd drivers, stock, kick serious butt for the X1600 on the desktop.  There's no noticeable lag, which is something my nVidia driver GF7800GT can't claim
[23:07] <NigelS> frozenfoxx: cool, glad to hear it - I'm looking forward to the drivers catching up with my rv630 card - be nice to have properly implemented opengl and what not - no more random fglrx nonsense like videos that can't play without a black band when compositing is going on
[23:08] <NigelS> yeah, it's a nice clean implementation on every level - I really like where the linux desktop could be in a few years
[23:08] <kuaera> I'm excited about the next six months, actually
[23:08] <kuaera> The KDE desktop is getting cleaned up and Qt4.5 performance is very good
[23:09] <mefisto__> NigelS: I get a diagonal kind of flicker about every second in videos, with compositing on. is that what you see?
[23:09] <kuaera> ATi has better community support, so drivers there are getting better and better
[23:09] <kuaera> As the OS looks better as a whole, it attracts more intensive work, too.
[23:09] <NigelS> mefisto__: with fglrx, the latest, it's improved - instead of flicker there's now a black band! but yeah it's basically broken
[23:10] <NigelS> desktop effects are unbearably slow with it and as for wine apps...pfft, I can forget that one :P
[23:10] <NigelS> but by april the radeonhd and radeon guys will be really close to fully opengl support so we can finally kiss fglrx good bye :)
[23:10] <mefisto__> NigelS: I'm not brave enough to try the newest, after the hassle I went through getting the current one working :) maybe when jaunty is released
[23:11] <NigelS> mefisto__: it's straight-forward when you know the pitfalls but I take your point - it is a pita
[23:11] <mefisto__> NigelS: lazy, I should say. not really about being brave
[23:12] <NigelS> kuaera: I'm excited by that too - basically the front page of phoronix is exciting :) we can dream one day of linux 3d being faster than windows :P
[23:12] <kuaera> It is in some rare instances.
[23:13] <kuaera> I know that Wine can very, very rarely run games faster than native windows, and all the DirectX calls are being translated into OpenGL
[23:14] <Ch1ppy> Can anyone help me with this: kdenetwork: Depends: knewsticker (>= 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1) but it is not going to be installed ??
[23:14] <NigelS> yeah, I've frequently had wine outperform windows - when you consider all the clutter that linux strips out from the overal OS that's not too surprising
[23:14] <NigelS> the problem is the implementation of the 3d drivers - for both nvidia and ati the performancec is worse than the windows driver
[23:15] <NigelS> with the OSS drivers...will be intersting to see what happens
[23:20] <chris-rc1> hi
[23:20] <dragomir> hi
[23:20] <dragomir> :)
[23:20] <chris-rc1> does anybody know the package name which the system monitor hdd plasmoid belongs to?
[23:24] <mefisto__> apt-cache search plasmoid-
[23:25] <dragomir> Hi all
[23:25] <dragomir> I am new with ubuntu
[23:26] <mefisto__> chris-rc1: plasmoid-simplemonitor ?
[23:26] <dragomir> and I really like it,but I can't solve my sound problem.I don't have any sound with amsn and skype and with the sound recording
[23:28] <dragomir> any help will be appreciated
[23:28] <dragomir> :)
[23:29] <chris-rc1> mefisto__: did that and still don't know where it belongs
[23:29] <chris-rc1> dragomir: do you have any sound at all?
[23:29] <dragomir> yes
[23:29] <dragomir> the players
[23:29] <chris-rc1> what system?
[23:29] <dragomir> hm
[23:30] <dragomir> thats good question
[23:30] <dragomir> :)
[23:30] <chris-rc1> ubuntu or kubuntu and which version
[23:30] <dragomir> ok
[23:30] <dragomir> ubuntu
[23:30] <dragomir> ultra
[23:30] <mefisto__> does amsn and skype use oss sound?
[23:30] <chris-rc1> i think skype uses alsa
[23:31] <dragomir> sorry guys
[23:31] <dragomir> I really don't know all this
[23:31] <dragomir> as I said I like the sistem
[23:31] <dragomir> but is very different than vista
[23:31] <chris-rc1> they are way behind the win version, but not that far that they would use sth like oss
[23:34] <mefisto__> dragomir: look in skype options, sound devices
[23:34] <NigelS> it might be as simple as the mic being muted...
[23:34] <dragomir> yes mefisto
[23:34] <dragomir> I did it
[23:34] <NigelS> which i suspect is the default
[23:34] <chris-rc1> dragomir: well, first of all, you might be better off in #ubuntu (sorry, standard answer)
[23:34] <mefisto__> dragomir: do you have more than 1 soundcard in the menus for sound in/sound out?
[23:34] <oobe> i just did a fresh install of kubuntu 8.10 then upgraded to kde 4.2 and now the task bar at the bottom of the screen is only half length
[23:34] <dragomir> but I don't have sound on the sound recorder aswell
[23:35] <oobe> does anyone  know how i can make it bigger
[23:35] <chris-rc1> this is because the mic is off, NigelS is right
[23:35] <NigelS> oobe: you can drag the taskbar to any length you desire if you click on the plasmoid icon
[23:35] <dragomir> yes
[23:36] <oobe> ah i see thanks
[23:36] <dragomir> but I can't turn it on
[23:36] <chris-rc1> in the mixer?
[23:36] <dragomir> yeap
[23:36] <mefisto__> oobe: there is also maximize, in "more settings"
[23:36] <chris-rc1> why not?
[23:36] <NigelS> if you click on the speaker icon dragomir there's a button labelled mixer - when that opens you should see symbols for the microphone etc - are the mute options unticked?
[23:36] <dragomir> I am thinking
[23:36] <dragomir> I am with sonyvaio
[23:36] <NigelS> (the speaker icon is in the taskbar btw)
[23:37] <dragomir> may be is some conflict with the drivers
[23:37] <dragomir> yes nigel
[23:37] <dragomir> :)
[23:38] <chris-rc1> and you have increased the volume?
[23:38] <dragomir> yes
[23:38] <dragomir> the only sound I have is actually from the players
[23:39] <chris-rc1> well, if you have sound that means there is no conflict with the drivers
[23:40] <dragomir> it strange that with amsn I can't listen even the winks
[23:40] <dragomir> and can't play it
[23:40] <chris-rc1> i don't know about gonme, but in kde you do have to choose the input source
[23:41] <chris-rc1> gnome, obviously
[23:42] <AndySpain> hi!!  i have a little language problem here on KDE. I installed two languages: German and Spanish, so that both users could log into a kde in his/her native tongue...
[23:42] <AndySpain> but somehow, it mixes them up a little
[23:42] <AndySpain> not much but yes
[23:43] <AndySpain> I get on German login mostly German Texts but for expample the delay hiere in Konversation which is in German, is in Spanish
[23:43] <AndySpain> or pop up messages: they are in German. But the OK and CANCEL buttons are in Spanish
[23:43] <AndySpain> ???
[23:46] <mefisto__> AndySpain: so you have german installed in one user, spanish in the other? or german and spanish in both?
[23:46] <AndySpain> both in both
[23:46] <AndySpain> to choose language on login screen
[23:47] <mefisto__> ok
[23:47] <chris-rc1> AndySpain: try to set the languages in systemsettings again. maybe it helps...
[23:47] <AndySpain> at least that's what i thought it would be like
[23:47] <AndySpain> worked like this on gnomen ubuntu before
[23:48] <AndySpain> chris-rc1  deinstall language there and then install it again?
[23:49] <mefisto__> language is per-user, isn't it? or am I wrong about that? I only use one language
[23:50] <chris-rc1> just see whether they are set correctly there. try choosing another and then the first one again and click apply. i don't know, maybe it helps...
[23:50] <AndySpain> work space - the transparent thing on desktop is called Desktop Folder  (English) . K-Menu is German, exept: the hibernate entry, this one's Spanish
[23:50] <chris-rc1> mefisto__: otherwise it doesn't really make sense...
[23:51] <AndySpain> Land/Region: Germany  Languages (in that order): German, Spanish, English
[23:52] <AndySpain> the buttons there are 50% German 50% spanish
[23:52] <chris-rc1> what if you delete the other entries?
[23:54] <AndySpain> well, I now changed order and restored order and clicked make German system language and then "Apply" - lets see if after restart it works
[23:54] <AndySpain> if not, I'll might consider deleting one. But actually I like changing languages myself as well
[23:54] <dragomir> well thank you guys for your help
[23:54] <AndySpain> am in spain and if taling with spaniards, it's convenient to have spanish system
[23:54] <dragomir> :)
[23:54] <AndySpain> thank you
[23:55] <mefisto__> dragomir: did you get skype sound working?
[23:56] <chris-rc1> just wanted to ask :-)
[23:56] <dragomir> ope
[23:56] <dragomir> nope
[23:56] <dragomir> :)
[23:56] <dragomir> othing
[23:56] <dragomir> nothing
[23:57] <dragomir> no sound pn the sound recorder
[23:57] <mefisto__> dragomir: and just one soundcard? it's a laptop, right?
[23:57] <dragomir> yes
[23:57] <AndySpain> chris-rc1  it's not really a big problem. i was just curious why it occurs. Had gnome setup with two languages, both ones being pure
[23:57] <chris-rc1> AndySpain: it's pretty annoying though
[23:58] <AndySpain> that's why I'm here... ;-)   But it's only about 5 % of all entries that are either in Span or engl
[23:58] <scartissue> .
[23:58] <AndySpain> anyway, thank you chris-rc1
[23:59] <AndySpain> am leaving now. Have a nice evening all!