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maxbtretle: Because the hardware and software both support multitouch, I guess. What is there to explain!?00:02
tretleinspiron 6400 doesnt ship with a multitouch trackpad00:03
maxbWell, if it's successfully detecting multiple touches, I guess it does actually?00:04
elvirolohi everyone00:06
elvirolodoes anyone use kubuntu?00:07
elvirolobecause i just installed the latest updates and now i can't start kde anymore00:07
arooniwhat will jaunty have00:12
aroonithat ibex doesnt00:12
ph03n1ks_hey00:26
ph03n1ks_ne1 home? :)00:26
ph03n1ks_never been to a ubuntu irc room be, new to irc.00:27
ph03n1ks_i read the mark shuttleworth bit on slashdot about the kola00:27
ph03n1ks_release00:27
ph03n1ks_and it mentioned how the plan was for jaunty to have a 25 second boot time on a netbook and how they were looking for bug reports.00:28
ph03n1ks_im using the netbook remiximage for 8.04, i just tried installing the netbook remix image for jaunty but cant :(00:28
ph03n1ks_i cant find a bug report, thought i could check in here to see if its a known issue?00:29
ph03n1ks_anyone here used jaunty netbook remix image?00:41
Turlhi, can anyone reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332343 ?00:43
ubottuUbuntu bug 332343 in network-manager "[jaunty] "Available to all users" is impossible to set" [Undecided,New]00:43
ph03n1ks_can anyone advise me on how to get the jaunty netbook remix image to install on my aspire one? the install gui is the wrong size, i cant use the buttons00:48
savvasmenu System > Shutdown is removed?01:13
Turlsavvas: seems so :p01:14
Turlso when the fast user swithing thingy crashes, you can't shut it down easily :(01:14
Turlcan anyone reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332343 ?01:14
ubottuUbuntu bug 332343 in network-manager "[jaunty] "Available to all users" is impossible to set" [Undecided,New]01:14
savvasTurl: i think you can use alt+F4 :)01:14
Turlalt+f4 is suspend iirc01:15
savvasi mean ctrl+alt+f401:15
savvasgrr01:15
savvasi mean ctrl+alt+del01:15
Turlyeah, that makes the dialog appear01:15
Turlbut it's really ugly :p01:15
ph03n1ks_hey guys, any of ye know anything about the jaunty netbook remix image?01:17
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Stralytickarmic koala... is mr shuttleworth on drugs? the names keep getting weirder01:22
charlie-tcadescription/animal is the same as always01:29
ian1what's up with with the "evolution-indicator" dialog on new email?  gah that's ugly :)01:30
ian1it duplicates the nice looking popup in the corner, too.  I imagine it can be disabled but why did it just turn on?01:30
Stralytici think the pulseaudio fix has finally made it to lpia01:31
scopecreepcan anyone help me get my alps touchpad scrolling working?  i installed gsynaptics and it enables/disables the touchpad, but scrolling no worky02:02
scopecreepit mouses and clicks fine though02:02
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usserhey guys03:09
ussermy synaptics touchpad scroll doesnt work in jaunty, and during bootup it says something like: "synaptics failed to start from resume"03:09
usseranyone have a similar issue?03:09
usseralso on intel driver the windows redraw slowly. Appear slowly rather there's like a 1 sec delay between clicking on minimized window and it appearing, 3d games work fine glxinfo reports direct rendering enabled03:10
lwshI04:14
lwsI am trying to turn on ATheros 802.11 wireless lan card drivers within Jockey04:15
lwsand it's saying "THis driver was just disbaled, but is still in use"04:15
lwsright after I *enable* it04:15
lwsany idears?04:15
crdlbI'm not sure, but I don't think you want to enable that driver04:17
crdlbthe ath5k driver appears to be included in jaunty's kernel now04:18
crdlbthe one in jockey is madwifi, which is being replaced by ath5k04:18
lwsdoes ath5k reliably support AP mode?04:19
lwsI bought a DWA-552 and ath9k was extremely crappy on it.04:19
lwsso I switched back to my old card that I had madwifi running on my old server with04:19
crdlbyou want to be an access point?04:21
lwsyes04:21
crdlbnever tried that :)04:21
lwshad the DWA_552 working with ath9k04:22
lwsbut it was just operating like absolute crud04:22
lwsmadwifi at least worked reasonably04:22
lwsfor this other trendnet card that was about 1/4th the price of the DWA_55204:23
lwshmm WPA2 is broken in the jaunty hostapd apparently04:26
chu_Hi - as I understand Jaunty will ship with 2.6.28, correct?04:59
crdlbyes05:01
zirodaychu_: but the kernel team cherry pick patches from .2905:04
chu_Oh sweet.05:04
chu_If I *need* some aspect from .29, can I request it be added to 9.04? :D05:04
zirodaychu_: usually its only for bugs05:05
zirodayerr bug fixes05:05
chu_Well, acpi support is broken on .28, but there's a fix in .29.. what are the odds?05:05
zirodaychu_: is a bug filed?05:05
chu_I've seen the bug on bugzilla... and have seen it on launchpad (actually how I found out there was a fix in .29)05:06
zirodaychu_: well I would talk to the kernel team and watch the LP bug05:06
chu_Ok thanks, pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear.05:07
dfgasso, jaunty works extrememly well with netbooks ehh?05:10
TuTUXGwhen there gonna be a 2.6.28 rt kernel in the official repo?05:42
AnAntwhat is kernel mode setting ?05:42
TuTUXG!rt05:42
ubottuThe RT kernel is the Ubuntu kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is included in Ubuntu Studio by default. For more information please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime/05:42
AnAnt!modesetting05:43
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about modesetting05:43
AnAnt!mode-setting05:43
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about mode-setting05:43
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maco!kms05:45
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about kms05:45
macook nvm05:45
Daemonbuntuare DNS lookups working slowly for everyone on Jaunty?05:46
zirodayAnAnt: KMS is what is needed for plymouth05:46
zirodayDaemonbuntu: it could be an ipv6 issue05:47
AnAntziroday: plymouth is like usplash ?05:47
Daemonbuntuis that a system service I can turn off?05:47
zirodayAnAnt: yep05:48
zirodayDaemonbuntu: you can try http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu.html05:48
AnAntziroday: before final release of intrepid developement , there was a different way to set the VT resolution, was that KMS ?05:50
zirodayAnAnt: not quite sure what you're talking about that, but I don't think so05:50
AnAntok05:50
* Daemonbuntu curses at IPv6 by default05:51
AnAntI just saw a vid. of switching between X & VT using KMS ! fast indeed !05:51
macoDaemonbuntu: cjwatson has a libc6 that fixes it in his ppa05:51
Daemonbuntuat least Windows has a reasonable wrapper for it that most users won't notice05:51
zirodayAnAnt: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Report/Desktop#Plymouth05:51
macoDaemonbuntu: he's asking for testers, though so far all results have been positive05:51
macoDaemonbuntu: let me find the bug05:51
macoDaemonbuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/313218/comments/4705:52
ubottuUbuntu bug 313218 in glibc "IPV6 causes slow internet access" [Critical,Confirmed]05:52
Daemonbuntuthanks for the suggestion, I'll reboot after my movie is over05:53
AnAntman, if only intel driver supports KMS, that's a problem ! I wonder if ATI/NVIDIA proprietary drivers will ever support that05:53
zirodayAnAnt: there are plans for both ati/nvidia drivers to support kms. There is a plymouth package if you want to try it out05:54
AnAntziroday: will it be easy to make plymouth themes ?05:55
zirodayAnAnt: not sure, never tried it05:56
AnAntwell, thanks05:59
Daemonbuntuwell, disabling ipv6 worked, I don't care about patching it cause nothing I have is even ipv6 compatible06:03
heloi have no oss/alsa audio, but the console echo '\a' is incredibly loud heh06:04
dtchenhelo: we need more info than that06:09
helointel 82801g audio chipset (hp mini)06:11
heloit worked fine with intrepid06:11
dtchenplease run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh06:12
dtchen(using bash)06:12
hanasakican the "create boot usb " be used once booted to install ubuntu on a pc?  what program do I run?06:13
macohanasaki: it should still be in the menu, i think06:14
hanasakithakns.. I do not see it.. can you tell me what menu and what program name?06:15
zirodayhanasaki: System > Administration > Create a USB Boot Disk06:15
hanasakiziroday:  yes.. I have that.. once I boot.. where is the  option to install ubuntu  on the system I booted the usb on?06:16
zirodayhanasaki: you have to configure your bios to boot from the USB disk06:16
hanasakiI have that covered.  the usb is booted.  what menu item do I need to run to install ubuntu on the HD of the system I booted the usb on?>06:17
zirodayhanasaki: ah! I'm not sure if the USB install can do that :P, if its anywhere it'll be in System > Administration > Install06:18
hanasakihmmm what progam can I apt-get that is the installer?06:18
zirodayhanasaki: ubiquity, not sure if it will work though06:19
hanasakithanks. i will try it.  dont have a cdrom drive to boot..... any other suggestions?06:19
chronichow can i adjust contrast in kde4?06:19
ziroday!install | hanasaki read this06:20
ubottuhanasaki read this: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation.  Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - see also !automate06:20
chroniccan fglrx be installed on 9.04?06:20
helohttp://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5b16b616be59357bc56167043598356fc7134a7d06:21
zirodaychronic: I believe so06:22
zirodayhelo: you might want to show dtchen06:22
chronicziroday: will it work if i install it with aptitude or is there anything else i need to do to configure it?06:23
zirodaychronic: jockey should detect it06:23
chronicwell, i guess the only way to find out is to do it, as always06:24
dtchenhelo: is `speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0' likewise inaudible? can you mute (set nocap) the 'Analog Loopback's?06:24
chronicziroday: thanks, got to reboot06:28
helohnmm06:30
heloPlayback open error: -16,Device or resource busy06:30
dtchensudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq*06:30
Daemonbuntuis there any way to fix KDE not being able to mount audio CDs?06:30
Stralyticdidn't know you could mount an audio cd06:31
DaemonbuntuKDE doesn't recognize audio discs, only data ones06:31
macoDaemonbuntu: audio disks dont get mounted06:33
macoDaemonbuntu: but um, yeah, amarok2 doesn't do CDs i heard06:33
macosomeone was complaining about the decision to have it not do CDs the other day06:33
Daemonbuntumaco: My GNOME apps can't recognize the discs in KDE, but can under GNOME06:33
macooh well that's shiny06:34
helohttp://helo.org/fuser-alsa.txt06:35
dtchenhelo: close rhythmbox first, then retry the speaker-test06:35
heloit acts like it is working, but no sound06:36
helowell, no errors at least06:37
dtchendoes `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset' help?06:37
heloresetting alsa... Invalid card number.06:40
helo(and many other errors)06:44
helolooks like --help output from alsactl repeated several times06:45
chronicwas the alt+f2 changed to something else for lounching apps?06:47
heloworks for me06:48
chronicnot for me06:48
chronicmust be keyboard problem06:48
chronicwhat's the name of that app?06:49
macochronic: its part of gnome-panel. if kde user, krunner06:51
chronicthanks06:51
DanaGugh, try hitting "previous track" over and over so notifications for the first track repeat.........07:18
DanaGit goes on and on and on and on and  on and  on and  on and  on and  on and07:18
DanaG... and so on.07:18
DanaGAnd there's no way to dismiss them.07:18
Stralyticwhy doesn't the installer add the user it creates to the audio group?07:21
heloaudio can be dangerous for mere mortals to use07:22
Stralyticso a user migrating from windows is expected to know that they have to add their user to the audio group to get sound to work?07:22
dtchenStralytic: no, that's a bug when it occurs. Normally it does not occur.07:24
Stralyticso sound should work  without being in the audio group?07:24
dtchenno, your user normally is added to the audio group07:24
Stralyticic07:25
Stralytici wasn't added to the video group either07:25
orgthingyWhich version of debian is it based on?07:33
dtchento what does "it" refer?07:33
orgthingy9.04, dtchen07:34
dtchenorgthingy: Debian testing/unstable07:39
orgthingytesting as in when Lenny was testing?07:39
dtchenorgthingy: there is no specific version on which jaunty/9.04 is based07:39
dtchenno07:39
orgthingyor just sid-of-that time?07:39
dtchensource packages are synced from sid automatically until DebianImportFreeze07:39
orgthingydtchen: ah, so best of whatever-it-should-do? neat07:39
dtchenat anytime, source packages can be synced from wherever07:40
bernard__Anyone else's system become 'sluggish'?09:07
bernard__Like, three second pauses between switching windows, that sort of thing?09:08
bernard__It's not like anything's eating up excess CPU or anything.09:08
idorock89so i resisted the temptation of upgrading to jaunty till now but now with the notifications being stable and all i think i want to upgrade.09:15
idorock89 so first a few questions is jaunty stable enough? this is the only machine i have so cant deal with huge problems.09:16
bazhangalpha4?09:16
idorock892nd ly i have a nvidia graphics card so are the resticted drivers released and are they stable enugh?09:16
idorock89bazhang: yeah09:16
bazhangfrom the topic:09:16
bazhang"it will most certainly break your system in bad ways"09:17
idorock89bazhang: i am ready to deal with few minor issues cant have huge problems. i have read that topic want to know from other users's experience do they find it stable somewhat atleast09:17
idorock89and also the nvidia drivers issue?09:17
bazhangbreak your system does not seem minor09:17
bazhangI would run in vm or wait for late beta/RC09:18
idorock89hmm... alright. but i thought that we are nearly at alpha 5 so it might be rid of most of the major problems09:19
idorock89and would someone pls tell me the situation of the nvidia drivers?09:19
bernard__I think they're supposed to work if you tell them to ignore the ABI.09:20
bernard__But I have ATI, so I'm not 100%.09:20
idorock89oh i thought that abi issue waas solved . could someone with nvidia card and on with latest updates please confirm the status?09:22
zirodayidorock89: get the livecd and try it out09:31
idorock89ziroday: but frm the livecd i cant try out the nvida restricted drivers09:41
zirodayidorock89: yes you can...09:42
idorock89ziroday: that will a little difficult as i will have to set up my net connection as it requires some work for ti.09:44
zirodayidorock89: well that is the best way to see if your card works. There were a couple of nvidia related uploads on Feb 1st if that helps09:44
idorock89so if someone already on the alpha latest could tell me the situation that would be really nice09:45
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lukehasnonameQuestion (I know you guys have probably heard this a lot) but how is X and the drivers in Jaunty? Is .29 kernel expected to make it? And are there any other showstoppers I should know about?09:57
lukehasnonameI want to install it (I installed Intrepid around Alpha 5 with little trouble, and for testing, but this is my main machine).09:57
dns53they tend to get x and the kernel all fixed in the last week or two09:58
Stralytici've read they're sticking with 2.6.28, and X is stable as long as you dont have ati/nvidia graphics09:59
dns53the proprietary nvidia drivers did not work for me last week09:59
SwedeMikelukehasnoname: I started with 8.10 around alpha2, so far 9.04 alphas have had more problems than 8.10 had during that development cycle10:00
Stralyticdns53,  there aren't any proprietary drivers written for the new version of X10:00
lukehasnonameHm10:02
twagerlukehasnoname: Just come i=on the channel but have you tried it in a v/b ?10:05
lukehasnonameMy laptop doesn't support virt10:06
lukehasnonameI haven't tried paravirt10:06
twagerlukehasnoname: Sorry..Did not realise  you were talking abt a laptop..10:07
idorock89it is stupid to say tath all except ati/nvidia work. dont u realise that aorund 90% people have a ati/nvidia card it aint like we r talking of small minority taht no one knows abt10:25
Unggnuhi all10:28
UnggnuDoes anyone uses Kubuntu Jaunty on a Sony laptop?10:29
crdlbidorock89: intel is the number one GPU vendor10:31
idorock89anyone who has half a decent computer has a nvidia or ati card. only reason for intel to be major is that it comes onboard by default on many motherboards.10:32
idorock89and anyways my point is there is a VERY VERY large no. of users of ati/nvidia to be ignored10:32
crdlbintel is perfectly adequate for laptops10:32
idorock89crdlb: yeah if u never want to play any games10:33
crdlbif you want to play games on a laptop, why did you get a laptop? :>10:34
idorock89even then  a good graphix card improves video playback and many other things , blue ray is another eg10:34
crdlbanyway, most ATI cards are reasonably supported (in 2D and some 3D) via the radeon driver10:34
crdlband nv provides nvidia 2D10:34
idorock89crdlb: this is a pointless debate if i have a graphix card i should be use it to maximum of its capabilities .  and not being able to do so is a problem10:35
bazhangin an alpha?10:35
crdlbfor an alpha release10:35
idorock89dont tell me propriteary problems and all it is a problem currently and we should accept that10:35
idorock89anyways lets change the topic10:35
crdlbthis is not ubuntu's fault10:35
bazhangcertainly !ot for this channel10:36
crdlbintrepid came extremely close to not having a fglrx at release :/10:36
Unggnucrdlb: FGLRX is only an option if there is no alternative10:47
Unggnuwhich is the case for new Ati cards10:47
crdlbhow new? does radeonhd provide 2d at least?10:48
Unggnucrdlb: radeonhd doesn't work at all and radeon can only support 2d in newer versions10:56
Unggnu487010:57
crdlbthat's good at least10:57
Unggnuand the most downpoint is that both drivers doesn't support powerplay which results in enormous noise10:57
Unggnu*biggest10:57
crdlbouch10:57
Unggnuyeah and I guess this will remain for quiet some time10:58
crdlbmy old radeon 7500 has no heatsink even :)10:58
Unggnucool but 7800 was hot too10:58
crdlbit's the mobile version (M7)10:58
UnggnuAIGLX implementation of FGLRX doesn't support many kwin features, crashes often and tears with XV10:59
Unggnuand the openGL video output which doesn't tear with some optimizations is grainy10:59
Unggnucrdlb: but at least it works and is quiet :)11:10
UnggnuDoes anybody uses Kubuntu on a Sony laptop?11:12
Oli``is deluge being a CPU hog for anybody else since yesterday's updates?12:07
WT-UdevUdev seems to be taking ~50% of a core, lots of events like... UEVENT[1235217664.224111] change   /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:09.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda (block)12:38
cumulus007Hi, I'm on Kubuntu jaunty with backports on, and I'm having a problem12:39
cumulus007there are weird black borders around plasma applets12:39
cumulus007http://imagebin.ca/view/hB5VIAEG.html12:39
BUGabundowhere are the logs of this channel?12:40
WT-Udevcumulus007: Might those be window-edges in the shape of a box?  Do you have (IIRC) compositing enabled?12:42
BUGabundocumulus007: there are NO backports for jaunty12:42
cumulus007okay12:43
cumulus007compositing is disabled12:43
cumulus007it might be a problem of nv12:43
cumulus007will try nvidia now12:43
cumulus007hmm12:43
cumulus007how to enable ctrl+alt+backspace in Jaunty :P12:43
BUGabundodontzap -d12:44
BUGabundo$ dontzap -d12:44
cumulus007I tried to grant myself in the configuration dialog of PolicyKit, but that didn't work12:44
WT-UdevStrange... that actually works for me12:44
chu_Such a useful command, why would they disable it by default :(12:44
BUGabundochu_: upstream decision12:44
BUGabundowill be changed on all distros12:44
BUGabundounless they delta it their selfs12:45
cumulus007that command didn't make sense12:45
WT-Udevdontzap doesn't exist as a command under xubuntu12:45
BUGabundoinstall it ?12:45
cumulus007it is installed12:45
chu_Oh, makes sense when in that context I guess, I heard they disabled it because users would mistake it... Mistake it for what? It's not like you can ctrl+alt+backspace by accident, can you?12:45
WT-UdevYou'd think if they disabled it it would be installed.12:45
WT-UdevAs if they were going for delete instead?12:46
WT-UdevI dunno12:46
WT-UdevThose 'across the keyboard' commands are chosen for a reason12:46
cumulus007LOL, to apply the effect of DontZap, I need to restart X :P12:46
chu_Well, even if you were going for delete, there's the option of rebooting, idk12:46
chu_In the login screen I mean.12:46
WT-UdevAnyway, no one has any idea about tons of Udev spam, near 50% of a single core use etc?12:47
BUGabundoguys12:47
WT-UdevI don't have EVMS, but I do have an LVM cryto-root setup (only boot's not encrypted)12:47
BUGabundodon't discuss this anymore12:47
BUGabundothere were enough of it on the MLs12:47
chu_MLs?12:48
BUGabundoand there are bugs and blue prints12:48
chu_Sorry :p12:48
WT-UdevMailing List?12:48
chu_Oh, obvious.12:48
chu_lol12:48
BUGabundoMLs = mailingst12:48
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ << is (or was) offline, otherwise I'd be searching it for things to look at12:48
BUGabundoRT  asac:might be that you haven't heard it yet; so, the next name for 9.10 is announced: "Karmic Koala" http://is.gd/kg1K12:48
chu_WT-Udev, it seems offline for me too12:49
WT-UdevThat's too close to comic Koala12:49
WT-Udev(Error ID: OOPS-1148C1473) << message from the last version of the bugs page that loaded12:49
ubottuhttps://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1148C147312:49
BUGabundobbl12:49
WT-UdevGuess I don't have even read only access to that12:50
WT-UdevOh yeah, it also took me like... 40 min to boot in to my laptop x.x  TONS of disk thrashing before the crypto-devs were even unlocked12:51
askand1Does googlecalendar in evolution work for anyone in Jaunty?12:52
DrHalan1hey, can i report a bug taht on ubuntu qt4.5 doesnt have the gtk+ theem by default?13:15
jpdsDrHalan1: Erm, they're both different technologies.13:21
DrHalan1jpds13:22
DrHalan1you didint understand what i mean13:22
DrHalan1qt 4.5 is now able to use gtk+ to draw its elements13:22
DrHalan1if you set the theme to gtk+ all qt app look like native gtk+ apps13:22
DrHalan1but it is not the default setup :(13:23
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WT-UdevDrHalan1: Maybe the look of QT4 is prefered over gtk+?  Though if you change the setting it should look like that.13:32
DrHalan1yeah it does13:32
DrHalan1but would be cool if it would detect the gnome session13:32
DrHalan1so all users have the same look all over their desktop13:33
WT-UdevOh, yeah.  I see what you mean there, but I think that's beyond current configurations13:33
WT-UdevYou mean using QT4 aps UNDER gnome it might have different settings, or at least ask.13:33
DrHalan1jap13:36
DrHalan1there are some apps taht are commonly used on gnome13:36
DrHalan1like mumble13:36
WT-UdevI don't even know what mumble is13:38
DrHalan1its like teamspeak but open source13:41
DrHalan1well whatever :D13:41
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/11 << I might have a problem here.  aptitude reinstall udev isn't populating what I think should be there (more than I see here)14:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:04
dfgasjaunty is made for netbooks as well too ehh? and boots fast?14:06
tommi_Has anyone had a problem with fonts defaulting to sans in kub jaunty after last nights updates?14:07
WT-Udevdfgas: Well, I can't really compare as I'm running an LVM+crypto setup for everything important.... and a bit that's not so critical to be encrypted.14:09
WT-UdevHowever it was 'fast enough' until recent udev (symptoms/probems)14:10
TuTUXG!ubuntustudio14:20
ubottuUbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org14:20
albert23WT-Udev: udev rules are now in /lib/udev/rules.d14:37
WT-Udevalbert23: Ahh, that really scared me not seeing them where I expected them.14:37
WT-UdevI see, there's a readme... My flaw was being too worried about files not existing to read what did exist14:39
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savvasanyone using jaunty and vlc?15:09
savvasbug 314038 - I made some test packages to fix the not embedded video problem15:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314038 in vlc "Integrated video interface is broken in Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31403815:10
siegieSakarias: i'm using jaunty and vlc, are the packages in your ppa save?15:16
siegieah srry i was talking to savvas15:18
savvassiegie: not all of them15:18
savvasuse the link to the vlc directly15:18
savvashttp://ppa.launchpad.net/medigeek/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vlc/15:19
siegiesavvas: thanks it seems to work :)15:20
savvassiegie: please add a comment to the bug report :)15:27
siegiealready done15:27
savvasthanks.. and stress-test it a bit, I don't want to be blamed afterwards heh15:27
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salty-horsehi. anyone noticing a bug where when windows change their icon it is not updated on the window decoration (metacity) or the window list? and sometimes it updates only in one of them? (it's visible with pidgin status icons)16:04
triggerhappI actually dont use a single program that changes its icon while running o.o16:05
* tritium hopes today's daily build's partitioner is fixed16:09
TuTUXGtritium, what was wrong with it?16:13
tritiumTuTUXG: partitioner hung and would not proceed to next phase of install.16:14
tritiumI had 1 swap, 2 ext3, and 1 XFS partition, and it sat all night.16:15
WT-Udevtritium: Booting an already installed laptop that used to take <5 min now takes nearly an hour...w ith -tons- of udev messagex x.x16:15
tritiumWT-Udev: hmm, wow16:16
TuTUXGext4?16:16
WT-Udevext316:16
WT-UdevLVM and crypto though16:16
WT-UdevAt least, I think I picked ext3... I was sick of reiserfs3 (and the last time I used 4 I ended up loosing lots of data before I realized it...)16:17
WT-UdevXFS doesn't make much sense on a laptop...16:18
TuTUXGWT-Udev, y?16:18
TuTUXGin my case, xfs was much faster than ext3 on my laptop16:19
WT-UdevActually I might be wrong, I can't think of anything but a gut instinct on why.  However single, slow, disk... but the most major problem.  XFS doesn't have a shrink option and I've found out that I could really use one for migrations.  It's not something I've needed on my laptop yet, but in other places it's been an issue.16:20
* BUGabundo wonders what was decided about UM checking for ubuntu-desktop.... I had to leave the roam in the middle of the discussion!16:42
WT-UdevBUGabundo: from what I can see at a glance... it stopped dead when you left16:44
BUGabundoeheh16:45
BUGabundomvo and fte were making a new WAR16:45
BUGabundoso I ended up not knowing what is the current state16:45
BUGabundobug or no bug16:45
BUGabundoI'll have to wait for mvo to come back16:46
BUGabundobut thanks WT-Udev16:46
BUGabundoare there any logs of this #?16:46
WT-UdevI always autolog irc16:46
WT-UdevI can't recall doing anything important in here (security wise)16:46
WT-UdevHowever I've been in here for about 5-6 hours now16:47
WT-Udevso that might not be very useful for you16:47
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: Did you solve the slow disk/udev issue?16:47
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: I don't even have a clue where to start, so I posted what little I'd done to the bug-thread and shut my laptop down for the 'night'16:48
WT-UdevI'm really starting to get sleepy too, so I probably won't be awake for much more than an hour, and I'd barely rate my self as lucid at the moment.16:49
charlie-tcaBUGabundo: This channel is officially logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/16:49
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: same here... got up at about 2am and didn't go back to bed.16:49
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: What is the 'bug- thread' ?16:49
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Working night shift ATM...16:50
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/33227016:50
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:50
IntuitiveNippleThanks16:50
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: BTW, if you boot with an older kernel it may (slowly) work16:50
BUGabundothanks charlie-tca16:50
charlie-tcano problem.16:51
WT-UdevIf that doesn't work, I'm going to have to look up the crypt-setup luks stuff again when I boot off pxe or a flash drive.16:51
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/33241616:52
ubottuUbuntu bug 332416 in udev "rootfs won't mount (dup-of: 332270)" [Undecided,New]16:52
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:52
IntuitiveNippleIf you can apply the down-grade fix you might be safe for now16:53
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: don't have dailys and I don't have much space set aside to cache old packages so it wouldn't be in there.  It'd be easier to just check for an update when I wake up again.16:56
WT-UdevBesides, if I still have the problem and can boot in to it I can help test it.16:56
IntuitiveNippleI'm patching it now16:57
IntuitiveNippleIt's the inotify by the look of it16:57
WT-UdevNotify FOREVER?16:58
soc1hi17:04
soc1just tested the live-cd from yetserday17:04
soc1install fails after committing the manual partitioning17:04
soc1is there already a launchpad bug for it?17:04
soc1or is this new?17:04
WT-UdevI think I heard someone else mention the problem last night.17:05
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: I'm uploading a test package of udev to my PPA shortly17:05
soc1when i click "next" in step 5 (manual setup of partitions) the mouse keeps spinning but doesn't do anything anymore ...17:05
WT-Udev20090221-08:09:32  * tritium hopes today's daily build's partitioner is fixed17:05
WT-Udev20090221-08:14:47 < tritium> TuTUXG: partitioner hung and would not proceed to next phase of install.17:05
WT-Udev20090221-08:15:11 < tritium> I had 1 swap, 2 ext3, and 1 XFS partition, and it sat all night.17:06
soc1WT-Udev: do you know more?17:06
dudusWT-Udev: I'm intended to try the daily-live tonight, I wonder if there is a bug repport somewhere17:06
WT-UdevSat Feb 21 09:06:25 PST 200917:06
WT-UdevNope17:06
WT-UdevYou can try searching for it17:06
soc1mhh, but the update should be installable with the live-cd running?17:06
WT-Udevsoc1: whatever live cd you have will not work that way17:06
WT-UdevYou may be able to get the same result on a console though... I'm unsure.17:07
pranithhello17:08
tritiumWT-Udev: who knows why I had trouble.  Could be something with XFS, or who knows what.  Perhaps it'll work better for you.17:08
WT-Udevsoc1: in other words, the code you have right now is either on CD-R (Write Once Read Many) or CD-RW (re-writable...) and is 'broken'17:09
WT-Udevtritium: it's not me installing17:09
soc1WT-Udev: but an update with apt of the broken component could fix it (as long as i don't have to reboot), right?17:10
WT-Udevsoc1: Hum... I don't know.  If the cd uses unionfs or something similar you might be able to fit that update in to ram and run with it.  It's a -maybe-.17:12
WT-UdevI assume it would fail pretty quickly if that wouldn't work so good luck17:13
WT-UdevYou know... I try to keep my name different every time I have a problem and rejoin freenode.  This time I was WTFing at udev...17:19
BUGabundoahh ok17:21
vbgunzanybody know why toolbar icons default size is bigger than I actually set?17:21
WT-Udevvbgunz: can you be slightly more specific?17:22
vbgunztoolbar icons default size seems to be medium. under my systemsettings toolbar and main toolbar icon sizes are set to small17:22
vbgunzkonqueror, kmail, etc all have bigger icons on there toolbars than they're supposed to17:23
WT-Udevthank you, I don't know what's wrong, but that is probably specific enough for you to search bug reports or get an answer from someone that does know.17:23
BUGabundodoes any one knows where to had apps that need patching, to the new notifications?17:34
BUGabundois it the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD/Comments) or LP?17:34
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IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: udev 138-2~tj~ppa1j is in my PPA for testing (https://edge.launchpad.net/~intuitivenipple/+archive/ppa/)18:06
WT-UdevI should be asleep... but... may as well give that a try18:08
WT-UdevOh crap, IntuitiveNipple do you know a kernel param i can add to disable inotify?18:08
WT-UdevHoping recovery mode bypasses it by being single user18:09
IntuitiveNippleNo, you would need to disable the udev service :)18:09
BUGabundofunny enough PA 9.14 makes my pidgin crash much more then 9.15~test218:10
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: I've not done that in quite a while, would I be able to get a console and ethernet with that?18:11
WT-UdevRight, forget waiting for the system.  The last time I booted that it took 45 min.18:14
SiDihey peeps, do you know if the UDS are public events ?18:17
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: Easy way to do it. Start from a live-CD, unlock the encrypted volume(s), vgscan + vgchange, then create a chroot and update the package that way18:17
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: I had a flash drive with systemrecovery'cd' on it.  I'm chrooted in to my / partition now (no seperate /usr), I didn't bind mount dev or proc though.18:19
WT-UdevIS there an env-update command like gentoo has?18:19
IntuitiveNippleIt would help to bind /proc /dev /sys just in case18:20
IntuitiveNippleThe you can add my PPA, update, and then apt-get the package18:20
IntuitiveNipples/The/Then/18:20
WT-UdevAh forgot /sys18:21
IntuitiveNippleThis may help: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/Packages/MyPPA18:21
WT-UdevWhat a pain...  I think I got the network setup right18:25
WT-Udevtrying to recall this at your equivilent of 1am is not fun18:25
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Your quotes are wrong18:26
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Also, doesn't tee default to over-write?  Or does it -a by defautl?18:28
salty-horsecan anyone confirm this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/33262418:29
ubottuUbuntu bug 332624 in metacity "Inconsistencies when windows change their icon" [Undecided,New]18:29
IntuitiveNippletee overwrites which is what it is intended to do18:29
WT-Udevecho "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ppa/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) main' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/intuitivenipple.list"18:29
WT-Udevecho 'deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ppa/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) main' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/intuitivenipple.list"18:29
WT-UdevSo I should have only done the second?18:29
IntuitiveNippleI've updated the quotes, thanks18:29
BUGabundowhat was that bug, for system to be SLOWWWWWWW?18:29
IntuitiveNippleNo, the first... you don't need the deb-src18:30
WT-Udevtwo python updates are going in with the update as well18:30
BUGabundoI'm being aftected by it, after the last batch of updates18:30
IntuitiveNippleyou should just need to do apt-get install udev=138-2~tj~ppa1j18:30
* WT-Udev shrugs18:30
WT-Udevthose three are going in as well18:31
IntuitiveNippleBUGabundo: This? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/1318:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:31
WT-UdevHum... this could be a problem... but it's my problem.18:31
WT-Udevdevice-mapper: table ioctl failed: No such device or address18:31
miikanyone noticed that playing mp3 in totem sometime very laggy?18:32
miikthen i close totem, and start again, then its laggy again18:32
miikthen i close and start again, this time it works and play music nice18:32
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: failed to boot with -8, but that may be because the initrd creation might have failed and left me with a stale initrd (and old udev inside it)18:37
WT-Udev-7 is booting and seems to be proceeding more rapidly18:38
WT-UdevI'll try updating the initrd and rebooting after it's loaded18:38
IntuitiveNippleOK18:38
IntuitiveNippleI'm trying not to have to restart for now because I've got so much to do, I don't want to be chasing another bug just to be able to work :)18:38
WT-UdevI know the feeling... I -loathed- the prospect of a 45 min boot time18:39
WT-UdevAlready your patch has cut that to about 5-1018:40
FFForeverhow do i disable the crash manager in kde?18:43
FFForeveralso dtchen if ur around any idea when the audio kernel fix will make it to the repo's?18:44
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: I see some of the errors still, and it's not at full speed but it is much faster than earlier.  Still major hard disk activity.  I think it's only partly installed though, so I'm going to try re-installing it and rebuilding the initrd when I finally do get in.18:45
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: OK, thanks. I picked the most obvious-looking commit in git and reverted it, so there could be more to do18:46
WT-UdevI'll update again once I give it a full test18:48
WT-UdevI may have spoken too soon.  / and /home mounted fairly quickly but my 'large files' partition for projects and such is taking forever.... and wired networking seems to start after that...18:54
pavsI have jaunty running and I want to know how I can enable the new notification option notify-osd?18:55
dudusI'm downloading daily-live from cdimages. But it's damn slow... is there a mirror for these files?18:55
pavswill just installing the new updates do?18:56
BUGabundodudus: NO18:57
BUGabundopavs: check if you have ubuntu-desktop installed (if you are on ubuntu/gnome)18:57
BUGabundoit should pull indicator-applet18:57
pavsyes I do18:57
BUGabundopavs: $ apt-cache policy indicator-applet18:58
WT-Udevwell... here goes the test19:00
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: it doesn't look hopeful now that I'm watching 'the pot' (waiting for it to boil...)19:02
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: Thanks... I'll test it in a VM19:02
IntuitiveNippleI'm juggling so many bugs today I'm losing track of where I am :D19:03
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: A note, It -really- seems to be agrivated by the -8 version of the kernel.19:03
WT-UdevOh, and it finally unlocked /19:03
WT-Udevthat's about 5 min, between normal lines.19:04
IntuitiveNipplehmmm19:04
WT-UdevWho knows how many of /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:09.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda1 (numbers counting down) it printed...19:04
albert23IntuitiveNipple: you need to drop the OPTIONS+="watch" line from 60-persistent-storage.rules. That's the one causing trouble with lvm. See comment 10 in the bug.19:09
IntuitiveNipplealbert23: Thanks. I'll revisit the git commits in a few moments19:10
WT-Udevthis is painful...19:12
WT-Udev'waiting for the root filesystem' x.x19:12
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: yeah, I'm using 'the kitchen sink' less raid.19:13
WT-UdevThat's only because it's a laptop and has a single drive.19:14
IntuitiveNippleBooting my crypt+LVM virtual machine now19:14
IntuitiveNippleI have this laptop with LVM + encryption. About 17 LVs of which 4 are encrypted19:17
WT-UdevFun19:17
IntuitiveNipplemakes it easier to manage space with LVs19:17
WT-UdevI only have /, /home, and another partition.19:17
WT-UdevIndeed19:17
WT-UdevThough I haven't felt the desire to resize and install another system... 9.04's teething pains are making me consider it (probably 8.10 next to it... but then the config files...)19:18
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IntuitiveNippleI split things down. I keep a /home/all/ where I mount file-systems for things like Media, SourceCode, VirtualMachines and so forth.19:19
pavsBUGabundo it say "Unable to locate package indicator-applet". just finished installing all the latest updates...19:19
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albert23hmm, udev on bzr is not up to date: 137-3 unreleased...19:24
albert23that's why it doesn't show the watch option in 60-persistent-storage.rules19:25
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: I just told my laptop to mount the last partition.  Using -7 since it has slightly less of a headache booting.19:27
IntuitiveNippleokay... best to revert to udev 137-2 then19:28
WT-UdevSo, testing pattern, ssh in, disable new sources, update udev, modify the rule file to remove watch, then re-create the initrds then test?19:29
IntuitiveNippleTo revert, just do "sudo apt-get install udev=137-2"19:30
WT-Udevok19:30
WT-Udevas soon as I can login...19:30
IntuitiveNipple:)19:31
IntuitiveNippleThe VM here is just applying the updates19:31
WT-UdevMiles faster than this on real 'metal'19:32
WT-UdevIt probably doesn't have disk-seeking to contend with19:32
WT-Udevuggh it's fscking /home19:33
IntuitiveNippleok, I've found the commit that applies the watch: f24036d19:34
WT-UdevYou may have a live package for me to test by the time I can login19:37
IntuitiveNippleJust once, it would be a surprise to find that developers would actually document the new keywords in their documentation!19:42
WT-UdevIf it isn't documented it must not be intended for widespread use.19:43
IntuitiveNipplehah... the docs don't have it, the NEWS does.19:45
IntuitiveNipple"Device nodes can be watched for changes with inotify with OPTIONS="watch". If closed after being opened for writing, a "change" uevent will occur."19:45
IntuitiveNippleNo explanation of what kind of inotify it is19:45
WT-UdevSo... any time a close event happens a change event will be triggered... and presumably logged?19:46
WT-UdevWhich could then re-open and ...19:46
WT-Udevfsck finally done...19:47
WT-Udevhammering ssh19:47
WT-UdevYou know, if I could make stuff startup at arbitrary points, I'd put SSH just after / was rw19:47
WT-UdevOk, I'm in.  Is there a package up for testing or should I manually do it?19:48
IntuitiveNippleNot yet, but just delete the watch and restart udev19:49
WT-UdevE: Version '137-2' for 'udev' was not found19:49
WT-Udevcommented out repository, updating/upgrading19:50
IntuitiveNippleHere's the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/121162/19:53
IntuitiveNipplesave it to a file (fix-watch.patch)19:53
IntuitiveNipplethen change to the udev directory (/lib/udev/rules.d/)19:54
IntuitiveNippleand do sudo patch -p3 < path/to/fix-watch.patch19:54
IntuitiveNippleIf that patch applies ok, you can restart udev: sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart19:55
WT-UdevI'm currently having issues downgrading19:55
IntuitiveNipplethis avoids the downgrade19:56
WT-UdevI have a custom version of udev from you though19:57
IntuitiveNippleIt will apply to that, the reverted patch didn't touch that rule I don't think... runs off to check!19:57
IntuitiveNippleno, that revert didn't touch 60-19:59
WT-UdevIt doesn't seem to on mine...19:59
WT-Udev1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file 60-persistent-storage.rules.rej19:59
IntuitiveNippledarn. sorry about that. I'm rushing too much here I guess.19:59
WT-UdevI just need to revert to the normal package... but can't seem to muddle in to it in my tired state20:01
WT-Udevapt-get install udev=138-120:02
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WT-UdevKERNEL!="sr*", OPTIONS+="watch"20:04
WT-UdevGet rid of that...20:04
albert23WT-Udev: and update-initramfs -u ...20:04
WT-Udevupdate-initramfs -c -k all << I have to use -c otherwise it screws up cryptsetup: NOTE: using /dev/mapper/ubuntu-encryptedroot instead of /dev/ubuntu/encryptedroot for rootvolume20:06
WT-Udevand skips that20:06
IntuitiveNipplethat'll do it... in the original commit the option was on the same line as the IMPORT20:06
WT-Udevvery painful to get back in20:06
IntuitiveNippleI posted a fix for cryptsetup initramfs issues last week20:06
IntuitiveNippleTo use UUID and LABEL in crypttab20:07
WT-UdevOh YES it works20:08
IntuitiveNippleI'll update my package then20:10
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/+editstatus << IntuitiveNipple In Progress?20:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:11
IntuitiveNippleSure... you do that, I'll do the new package and test it in the VM20:13
IntuitiveNipplewhat I've done is create a new branch, reset it to before the rules changes and cherry-picked the commits that don't involve the watch rules20:19
tretlejust heard some horrible rumour that canonical are thinking of inlcuding wine with ubuntu? is this true? i hope not20:21
WT-UdevI rarely if ever use it, but what's so bad about wine?20:22
IntuitiveNippleThere was discussion a while back on the -devel mailing list20:25
IntuitiveNipplebuild_test successful. Now to try it in the VM20:31
WT-Udevwhat lesson did this illustrate: Never inotify for normal operations of a special device file...20:33
BUGabundoeheh20:35
IntuitiveNippleWhat is interesting is, on the VM, it didn't trigger.20:36
IntuitiveNippleI wonder what testing was done?20:37
IntuitiveNippleNew version has just gone up to my PPA20:37
WT-UdevMy laptop is already shut down... but it starts quickly.  Would you prefer a test?20:37
IntuitiveNippleYes please20:38
IntuitiveNippleSince I can't get the VM to trigger it20:39
IntuitiveNipplemight have to wait a few minutes for the PPA to build the packages20:39
WT-UdevWell I can certify it's horrid when it rears it's head on my laptop20:39
WT-Udevon -8 it even went so far as to crash something with a dump of some kind to the console20:39
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ppa/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/intuitivenipple.list"20:43
WT-Udevit has an uneven number of "20:43
IntuitiveNippleeeek20:45
IntuitiveNipplesorted. thanks.20:45
WT-Udev... darn, it hadn't gotten upgraded yet20:45
WT-Udevthe listing page shows you have ppa2j but my laptop put in ppa1j20:45
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: any idea how I can force the sync of the package list?20:47
IntuitiveNipplesudo apt-get update20:49
WT-Udevalrady did that and...20:50
WT-Udevapt-get install udev=138-2~tj~ppa2j20:50
WT-UdevE: Version '138-2~tj~ppa2j' for 'udev' was not found20:50
IntuitiveNippleyou shouldn't need to specify the version now... it's later than others so should be pulled in20:51
WT-Udevit's not20:51
IntuitiveNippleIt might be that the archives haven't received the file yet20:51
WT-Udevbesides that, the version isn't found... meaning it wouldn't find it the other way either.20:51
IntuitiveNippleyes, it is in the archive: http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/u/udev/20:52
IntuitiveNippleDid you remove my PPA list from apt?20:53
WT-UdevI added it back20:53
WT-Udevapt-get install udev=138-2~tj~ppa1j doesn't complain20:53
IntuitiveNipplesorry no, it isn't in the archive yet. I was getting the "2" confused20:54
WT-UdevDoes that update on the hour?20:54
IntuitiveNippleI think it just depends on workload of the buildd machines20:57
IntuitiveNippleLooking at other directories it might be every 20 mins20:58
WT-UdevHum... i386, amd64, and Ipia?20:58
WT-Udevlpia?20:58
WT-Udevis that for atom processors?20:59
IntuitiveNippleLow Power Intel Architecture20:59
IntuitiveNippleThey've just arrived in the archive21:01
WT-UdevFigures21:01
WT-UdevI was 30 seconds too early on the sleep21:01
WT-UdevWow, that's not good.21:04
WT-UdevTrying again21:04
WT-Udevfirst time I did something wrong, probably console suspend or some crap like that21:05
WT-Udevbug updated21:07
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: do I need to do anything else?  This is the first time I've actually tested a package.21:09
IntuitiveNippleMaybe report back to the bug report that this package appears to prevent the problem21:10
WT-Udev20090221-13:07:03 < WT-Udev> bug updated21:10
WT-Udev20090221-13:07:07 -!- Klanticus [n=quassel@189.103.18.4] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]21:10
WT-Udevyou mean that?21:10
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/33227021:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 332270 in udev "[jaunty] doesn't boot anymore after udev upgrade" [Undecided,In progress]21:10
IntuitiveNippleThat's fine thanks21:11
usseranybody has a problem with their touchpad, scroll doesnt work in jaunty21:17
LinkinX64usser, yea i know21:19
IntuitiveNippleusser: ALPS touchpad here is scrolling21:19
LinkinX64mine doesnt21:19
LinkinX64but i am not using jaunty atm21:19
usserLinkinX64, you have synaptics?21:19
usseron bootup i notice an error that goes like: synaptics failed to turn on from suspend/resume. Something to that extend, even when doing the cold boot21:20
WT-Udevusser: I have a synaptics one, the odd thing is the tapping part worked (which I hated) until I diabled it in a config file... but it's never shown up as something I'd be able to reccognize when xinput devices are listed.21:25
ApeIs there issues with Jaunty and ext4? Should ext4 be stable enough for heavy use when Jaunty is released?22:00
IntuitiveNippleSo far so good, some false alarms but its been okay22:01
ApeI heard that there might be data loss issues22:01
macoApe: right data loss issues still there, i belive22:03
untitledhello :)22:09
untitleda little problem here with xorg 1.6.0 RC222:09
untitledfrom jaunty repo22:10
untitledmouse and keyboard dont work22:10
untitledis there any magic to fix that? :)22:10
derekShey, is there a channel for the new notification system?22:19
IenorandderekS: Um, I think this would be the place if any...22:20
derekSIenorand: ok22:20
untitledno? no ideas about xorg and input devices?22:23
Neonexusanyone having trouble with network manager not connection after recent update?22:28
BUGabundo1Neonexus: yeah22:30
BUGabundo1try to restart it or networking22:30
Neonexusany idea whats up?22:30
BUGabundo1$ sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart22:30
BUGabundo1$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart22:30
BUGabundo1no idea22:30
NeonexusI have22:30
BUGabundo1just asked asac about it22:30
Neonexusweird that my 3g still works22:31
NeonexusI thought it might be a DHCP issue22:31
untitledok, I'll ask in a different way. How can I bypass hal and use xorg.conf again with xorg 1.6?22:32
BUGabundo1Neonexus: if you have it too, I think we better file a bug22:33
BUGabundo1so that asac can request info for debugging22:33
BUGabundo1fileing now22:33
BUGabundo1Neonexus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/33270622:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 332706 in network-manager "NM requires /etc/init.d/networking restart to make 3G work, after un/plug" [Undecided,New]22:36
BUGabundo1fill free to subscribe and add your system details22:36
BUGabundo1via apport-collect 33270622:36
danbasAre there going to be official blu ray isos of the entire jaunty repo for AMD64?22:44
ikoniadanbas: nope, not that I've read22:44
BUGabundo1NO22:44
ikoniadanbas: no plans to distribute anything on bluray22:44
BUGabundo1why would there be?22:44
danbascoz Lenny does?22:44
BUGabundo1DVD is enough22:44
ikoniadanbas: ubuntu isn't debian22:44
BUGabundo1the rest you get from archive22:45
BUGabundo1if you have net access22:45
pavsso can anyone tell me if how I can install notify-osd on jaunty ?23:09
Neonexuspavs : aint it in the packages?23:12
NeonexusSystem > Admin > Packager Manager  search for and install notify-osd23:13
pavsit wasn there last time I tried it let me try again23:14
BUGabundopavs: $ apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop libindicate023:16
NeonexusBUG I cant get networkmanager working23:17
pavs Unable to locate package libindicate023:18
pavsUnable to locate package libindicate023:18
pavsoops23:18
pavssorry for the double23:18
BUGabundolibindicate0:  Installed: 0.1.1-0ubuntu223:20
BUGabundopavs: are you on jaunty?23:20
BUGabundoand fully updated?23:20
pavsyes23:20
BUGabundodo you have ubuntu-desktop installed (if you are on ubuntu/gnome) ?23:20
BUGabundoNeonexus: not working?23:20
Neonexusnope23:20
Neonexusrestarted23:21
Neonexuseverything looks fine23:21
pavsok hold on.... I am very sorry I am logged in to the wrong VM I am actually on ibex. very sorry about that23:21
BUGabundoDUH23:21
BUGabundoeheh23:21
pavsits looks the same hard to tell :)23:22
Neonexuscant see why 3g works fine, yet wired ethernet and wifi dont23:22
BUGabundoits not friday, but its always fun : http://www.funtasticus.com/20090220/friday-wild-girls-february-20-2009/23:22
BUGabundopavs: change the background or cli color?23:23
BUGabundolol23:23
BUGabundo3G works but no wire/wifi?23:23
BUGabundoreally strange23:23
pavsthey are all on VM for testing purpose. my original workstation looks different from default ubuntu23:24
Neonexusand it was working fine, until an update few days ago23:25
siegieIs there anyone using kubuntu jaunty? In dolphin the icons are flickering verry fast, when using a specific window size23:26
BUGabundo     2   0.00s   1.92s 360.1M 16504K      0     0    0    0  96% metacity23:31
BUGabundometacity just went crazy23:31
hggdhanybody having problems on boot (loooong delay, udev-related, probably)?23:40
BUGabundohggdh: not here23:42
BUGabundo/ ext3 /home xfs23:42
BUGabundo64 bits23:42
hggdhsame23:42
BUGabundoexacly the same?23:43
BUGabundoLOL23:43
hggdhwhen I boot I have to magic-key into and (it seems) kill udevadm23:43
hggdhno, not exactly the same, but similar: ext3 all partitions, AMD64x223:45
BUGabundoahh23:45
BUGabundoIntel C2D23:45
hggdhwell, starting to be not so similar ;-)23:45
hggdhbrb23:46

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