[00:24] <helynux> hi
[00:45] <emma> hey Hew
[00:45] <Hew> Hello emma
[00:45] <emma> Who here is a bug expert who can be a bug mentor?
[00:46] <bdmurray> I might be of some assisstance
[00:46] <Hew> emma: What do you mean by bug mentor? Are you starting as a member of the bug squad?
[00:48] <emma> Nope. I am the founder of a Virtual Linux Users group and we have a team in the Bug Jam
[00:48] <emma> It says in the instructions to invite an expert to hang out with you for the event.
[00:49] <emma> So please come to ##club-ubuntu-bugs if you would like to. :)
[01:00] <greg-g> bdmurray: I completely forgot about that cdd/education-chemistry bug patch I submitted. thanks for finding it! :)
[01:03] <bdmurray> greg-g: no problem!
[01:16] <andresmujica> hi all!
[01:16] <andresmujica> how is the GBJ going?
[01:18] <bcurtiswx> hey all, when you get a bug that is valid against a package that is the most recent that ubuntu provides, but upstream there is a newer package that may fix the package.  What is the optimal way to handle the bug (i sent it upstream as a bug against what ubuntu ships, but is this the "best" thing to do)?
[01:19] <greg-g> bcurtiswx: if they bug is fixed upstream, they probably don't want you to open a new ticket in their bug tracker, as they have nothing to do to fix it.
[01:20] <greg-g> with respect to how to fix it for Ubuntu, see what version is in debian, if it is the newer version that has the fix, request a sync.
[01:20] <bcurtiswx> greg-g, ok thx
[01:21] <greg-g> if not, see if you can provide a debdiff that provides the fix for the current ubuntu version (would require you to find the fix in the upstream code repository)
[01:21] <bcurtiswx> greg-g, what would I do in a situation where i can't find a fix but they may still have one? just push it upstream as is?
[01:23] <greg-g> what do you mean "can't find a fix but they may still have one" ?
[01:24] <bcurtiswx> i'll search through tickets and changelogs and can't find anything relating to the bug im trying to push upstream
[01:24] <bcurtiswx> i can't find it, but maybe I missed it
[01:24] <greg-g> first, just to be clear. If upstream has fixed the problem (say, the bug was in Tomboy, and the latest Tomboy does NOT have the bug) then don't send it upstream, that will just annoy them
[01:25] <greg-g> bcurtiswx: do you have an example?
[01:25] <bcurtiswx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pidgin/+bug/219093
[01:25] <greg-g> instead of talking theory might as well speak specifically to your issue :)
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> not a prob, i can't find things on the upstream site, but im afraid im not searching well enough (as i don't know the best ways to search for a possible fix)
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> in that bugs case, i searched... but like you said, i don't want to be annoying and im afraid i didn't look hard enough :-\
[01:27] <greg-g> bcurtiswx: oh, I thought you said that upstream had fixed the issue, I don't see any indication of that on either bug (LPs or the one upstream)
[01:27] <bcurtiswx> oh, in my case idk if they have in a newer version of plugin-pack
[01:27] <bcurtiswx> i searched, and looked.. but i didn't see anything
[01:28] <greg-g> oh... ok, I think I misread your first statement. I thought you meant that the newer upstream version DID fix the bug, not MAY.
[01:28] <bcurtiswx> sorry
[01:29] <greg-g> in this case, yes, you forwarded it upstream correctly, now wait for the upstream people to tell you what the status is.
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> greg-g, ok ty
[01:33] <greg-g> bcurtiswx: you're welcome. thanks for your help getting these bugs sent upstream, that is usually a very needed task!
[01:34] <greg-g> go forth and forward! ;)
[01:34] <bcurtiswx> greg-g, yeah i needed practice sending things upstream.  I'm working towards joining bug-squad
[01:34] <greg-g> good deal
[02:08] <genii> If an ISA device is being detected but not given it's correct driver, where to assign it? udev ?
[02:16]  * genii makes more coffee
[02:17] <bdmurray> genii: linux (the kernel) is the correct package
[02:17] <genii> bdmurray: OK thanks
[02:31] <greg-g> just to distract all you others working on the global bug jam (so Michigan doesn't start out too far behind tomorrow!) here are some pictures from the chicago team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157614128315299/
[02:32] <nixternal> woohoo!
[02:32] <nixternal> we just ordered a bunch of Chicago Pies too
[02:35] <thepeon> I'm looking at bug 325324, which the reporter states is a problem in all terminal programs.  What package would this be assigned too?
[02:43] <sktrdie> Hi
[02:45] <j1mc>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[02:55] <kungfooguru> sktrdie: ?
[02:55] <sktrdie> why did you leave
[02:55] <kungfooguru> I left?
[02:55] <sktrdie> yes Haha
[02:56] <sktrdie> you can only connect to 1 server at a time?
[02:56] <kungfooguru> SHIT!
[02:56] <kungfooguru> I did /server instead of /connect :(
[02:56] <sktrdie> haha
[02:56] <kungfooguru> damn tequila
[02:56] <orblivion-laptop> kungfooguru: you jamming bugs for Ubuntu?
[02:57] <sktrdie> its pricy
[02:57] <sktrdie> Hi
[02:57] <jbalint> i have bug
[02:58] <sktrdie> this channel is great now
[02:58] <sktrdie> thanks for being you
[03:01] <kungfooguru> YAYA
[03:02] <kungfooguru> jbalint: !
[03:05] <kungfooguru> why so quiet
[03:05] <kungfooguru> no bug stomping?
[03:05] <andrew> people are resting up for tomorrow?
[03:05] <j1mc> hi kungfooguru
[03:06] <j1mc> we're all bug stomping, actually.
[03:06] <kungfooguru> j1mc: !
[03:06] <kungfooguru> cool
[03:06] <j1mc> there's about 12 people here - it's going ok.
[03:06] <kungfooguru> cool
[03:06] <andrew> j1mc: where is 'here'?
[03:06] <kungfooguru> I plan to stomp some Tilda "bugs" this weekend, hehe
[03:06] <j1mc> andrew: ubuntu-chicago bug jam.
[03:06] <andrew> ah, nice
[03:07] <j1mc> andrew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/Projects
[03:07] <andrew> I'll be attending phlly's tomorrow
[03:07] <j1mc> andrew: cool
[03:07] <j1mc> kungfooguru: i thought you popped up in #chiglug - i didn't notice what chan i was in.
[03:07] <kungfooguru> haha
[03:18] <WastePotato> Hey, if somethings regarding wireless, should it be packaged in linux kernel?
[03:21] <kungfooguru> in linux kernel?
[03:21] <kungfooguru> do you mean builtin instead of a module?
[03:22] <kungfooguru> or something else?
[03:22] <greg-g> he may mean "assigned to the linux kernel"
[03:22] <greg-g> s/he/they
[03:24] <diginux> woo
[03:24] <diginux> kungfooguru: woo
[03:24] <kungfooguru> yaya
[03:24] <diginux> ask your questions people
[03:25] <j1mc> diginux: woo
[03:25] <j1mc> diginux: i want you to file 800 xfce4-menu bugs
[03:25] <kungfooguru> haha
[03:25] <kungfooguru> he could
[03:25] <diginux> j1mc: im on it!
[03:25] <diginux> j1mc: bug 1, it doesnt exist!
[03:25] <kungfooguru> what about Window Maker bugs!
[03:25] <j1mc> we fixed it
[03:26] <diginux> j1mc: wait, there is a menu editor now?
[03:28] <j1mc> diginux: sorry - i was referring to bug number one - just joking.  :)
[03:28] <diginux> hehe dammit :)
[03:32] <andresmujica> i want some HW specs from a reporter's machine should i ask him for the dmidecode? lshw? or the link at the Ubuntu HW database?
[03:33] <greg-g> what kinds of hw specs are you looking for?
[03:33] <greg-g> what purpose will they fill?
[03:34] <andresmujica> i suspect that some of the cheese problems are caused by low specs, specially webcam high resolution,
[03:35] <greg-g> so you mean processor speed, specifically?
[03:35] <andresmujica> i read at some post by phillipo about that problem, so i want to get some data to check that lead...
[03:35] <andresmujica> well, yes.. that would do it..
[03:35] <andresmujica> but i wonder if we could get a "better" way of getting the specs..
[03:36] <greg-g> lshw is probaby good then, yes?
[03:41] <andresmujica> ok, i'll ask that thks! :)
[03:42] <greg-g> np
[03:43] <j1mc> i'm looking at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/332385 - what would be some good ways to found out what the issues are?  request his xorg log file?  it sounds somewhat hardware/bios settings related.
[03:48] <greg-g> hmmm, that comment could have done without the first part.
[03:50] <greg-g> j1mc: I really don't know, that is a weird quirk from his BIOS, xorg mght help, but if he is using any new version of ubuntu there might not be much in it
[03:52] <j1mc> greg-g: i was thinking of the xorg log file, not necessarily the xorg.conf.
[03:53] <andresmujica> j1mc, maybe it has to something to do  with evdev
[03:54] <greg-g> j1mc: ah yes :)
[03:54]  * greg-g has made two mistakes based on misreading in a short time, he should get more coffee
[03:55] <j1mc> hehe
[03:55] <j1mc> what makes you say evdev?
[03:55] <emma> is there something standard to do with a bug that's not written in English?
[03:57] <greg-g> emma: you can ask them to post in english, or have someone from the loco team that speaks that language translate it (or better yet, triage it, then translate)
[04:01] <andresmujica> j1mc.. because xorg is moving or moved to evdev and i've read about some weird things with mouse and kbd.. but it could be soemthing at the kernel level too...
[04:02] <j1mc> andresmujica: i've assigned it to xorg-...evdev and used the default xorg bug response request to see if i can get more information.
[04:09] <andresmujica> j1mc, ask the reporter if while the system is booting, the kbd works.. changing console, writing stuff at it... that way u can be sure if it's a xorg issue or a kernel one
[04:11] <j1mc> andresmujica: thanks - will do.
[04:15] <emma> Does anyone know if there will eventually be stats for individual and team output for this GBJ ?
[04:16] <emma> I remember the first GBJ that was a big motivator for us :)
[04:30] <duanedesign> emma: http://ln-s.net/2t1Z  see 2.How to participate
[04:30] <duanedesign> I think the answer is yes.
[04:33] <andresmujica> emma: but the stats would be available in about a week or so.. be sure to get into the 5-a-day-participants LP team
[04:33] <emma> andresmujica: cool yes, everyone on our team is doing that.
[04:33] <emma> thanks!
[04:37] <andresmujica> hmm, according to bugs without package link, about 400 bugs had been assigned... yesterday it was ~1500 .. now is ~1156 !!!.. or i'm looking a different link..?
[04:45] <sktrdie> Help me find a bug
[04:46] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam  see potential bug targets
[04:48] <sktrdie> wow thanks
[05:00] <negonicrac_> hello
[05:03]  * genii hands emma a coffee
[05:14] <emma> thanks :)
[05:14] <genii> emma: Anytime
[05:18] <duanedesign> could someone look at Bug #75028 it was reported 2 years ago and the reporter is still experiencing the problem
[05:19] <sktrdie> i posted a bug
[05:19] <sktrdie> please vote me
[05:30] <maco> sktrdie: do what?
[05:30] <sktrdie> please
[05:32] <j1mc> maco: i think he wanted to be voted as the best bug report.  :/
[05:32] <sktrdie> thanks for explaining
[05:32] <thepeon> sktride: vote +1
[05:32] <thepeon> happy
[05:34] <maco> j1mc: um...since when does that award exist?
[05:35] <sktrdie> It is
[05:35] <j1mc> maco: :/  i think crimsun would know if it did.
[05:35] <j1mc> i don't think it does, though.
[05:35] <maco> j1mc: crimsun is dtchen nowadays
[05:36] <j1mc> maco: good know.
[05:38] <sktrdie> Thanks for upvoting
[05:45] <sktrdie> BYE
[05:49] <calc> dtchen: when/why did you change your nick?
[06:13] <stefanlsd> Is it me or is LP slow today
[06:13] <dtchen> the latter
[06:13] <dtchen> reported, etc., etc.
[06:14] <stefanlsd> bleh, annoying for bugjam
[06:15] <dtchen> fixed now
[06:19] <maco> calc: i think he wanted it to fit his actual name more closely
[06:19] <dtchen> work requirement, and i got tired of using /nick repeatedly
[06:53] <maco> anyone around know about ecryptfs-utils?
[07:19] <Laibsch> good morning
[07:19] <Laibsch> Can we please be a little more careful as to how we give out bugcontrol priviledges?
[07:19]  * Laibsch mumbles something about bug 331222
[07:20] <Laibsch> I had to reopen so many bugs lately from overenthusiastic newbies, it's not funny anymore
[07:20] <Laibsch> s/as to how/as to who/
[07:21] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: try to email the bugs email list about it
[07:21] <dtchen> reopen from Invalid or Wontfix?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: (i support you, and I suspect a lot of others to do) but here will be just bikeshedding
[07:22] <dtchen> you don't need bugcontrol membership to mark Invalid
[07:22] <Laibsch> dtchen: invalid, but what's the difference?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: (because the canonical people that make these decisions will not be here now0
[07:22] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: what's the address?
[07:22] <Laibsch> Do I need to subscribe to post?
[07:22] <dtchen> because anyone can mark as Invalid, so it's not necessarily bugcontrol membership that's up for discussion
[07:23]  * Laibsch really hates member-only lists that I only want to shoot a quick mail to
[07:23] <Laibsch> dtchen: Oh, is that right?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: it's on lists.ubuntu.com, but i suspects it's ubuntu-bugs@
[07:23] <Hobbsee> i'd say you have to subscribe
[07:23] <Laibsch> grm
[07:24] <Laibsch> dtchen: If that is the case, the thing just becomes one of "don't allow setting to invalid", maybe set to incomplete as the maximum
[07:24] <Laibsch> for the "ordinary" user
[07:24]  * Laibsch doesn't really do ml for ubuntu so far
[07:25] <Laibsch> The good thing about this is I just found out there is a FOSS-related conference held today in the vincinity
[07:26] <Laibsch> although it won't help me much because it ends in 5 minutes ;-)
[07:28] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: I doubt ubuntu-bugs@ is the right place, I seriously doubt anyone is following that
[07:28] <Laibsch> https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Bug+Lists
[07:28] <Laibsch> I can't find a better one atm, though
[07:28] <greg-g> ubuntu-bugcontrol, I believe
[07:28] <Laibsch> ubuntu-wa
[07:29] <Hobbsee> oh, yes, that
[07:29] <greg-g> or bugsquad
[07:29] <Hobbsee> bugsquad
[07:29] <Laibsch> yes
[07:31] <stefanlsd> heading off to our bugjam venue. cya guys later :)
[07:34]  * andrew is heading off to bed...
[07:34] <andrew> cya guys later
[07:35]  * d-b wanders about "random" crashes from people.
[07:35] <d-b> wonders*
[07:36] <d-b> and Hobbsee can i pm you ?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> d-b: if you like.  i'm not overly here though
[07:38] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: Who are the guys from Canonical "in control" of this?  Looking through the recent mails on the bugsquad ml, I see no familiar names.  I wonder if opening an LP ticket wouldn't make more sense?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: bdmurray / heno, afaik
[07:40] <emma> Laibsch: this weekend is the Ubuntu Global Bug Jam.
[07:40] <Laibsch> I know
[07:40] <emma> Okay good.
[07:41] <emma> Laibsch: I think one of the purposes of the GBJ besides triaging bugs, is to get more people involved. There is a cost involved with that which may be considered an investment.
[07:42] <Laibsch> I perfectly understand that
[07:42] <Laibsch> I think it can be handled differently, though
[07:42] <Laibsch> a) don't give -bugcontrol priv to "any bum off the street" ;-)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: i don't think they do, currently
[07:43] <Hobbsee> wait.  or is that quality?
[07:43] <Laibsch> b) don't allow setting to invalid w/o -bugcontrol which apparently is now possible
[07:43] <Laibsch> maximum of incomplete for those without upper privs
[07:44]  * Hobbsee wonders if launchpad actually has implemented that.
[07:44] <Laibsch> And if nobody answers, then let the autoclean-up routine kick in
[07:44] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: what exactly?
[07:44] <Laibsch> I think the guy who closed 331222 indeed have no privs whatsoever
[07:44] <greg-g> Laibsch: A is a non-issue as they don't give those privileges to just anyone. there is an application process and it only last for 3 months before you must renew with bdmurray.
[07:44] <Laibsch> ?
[07:44] <Laibsch> I never have to reapply
[07:45] <Laibsch> I guess I do good work ;-)
[07:45] <greg-g> well, that is the way it is done currently, maybe you slipped through and brian accently set to you never expire.
[07:45] <greg-g> ;)
[07:45] <Laibsch> IIRC I've had two bugs closed from people who just got their privs which were wrong
[07:46] <greg-g> I would suggest talking with them, might as well try to educate (there is a "contact this user" feature now in LP, instead of having to use the bug comments)
[07:46] <d-b> eeep at less control
[07:48] <d-b> and did launchpad just crash ?
[07:49] <Laibsch> greg-g: I do try to educate them, but I guess it comes to a point where I get the feeling I have to educate too many people that shouldn't have had the power to make changes that necessitated that in the first place
[07:49] <Laibsch> IMHO: learn first, get power later
[07:49] <Laibsch> you can do quite many things without power
[07:49] <greg-g> that is fine, I'm not arguing against your point. it was just a suggestion instead of using the bug comments as a place to educate people.
[07:50] <Laibsch> thanks
[07:50] <greg-g> thanks for being involved :)
[07:51] <Laibsch> But I'll continue to use the comments since a) it's easier for me and b) it's public
[07:51] <Laibsch> does https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad give any privs or is it only with ~bugcontrol?
[07:52] <greg-g> control only
[09:47] <czajkowski> aloha from ie bugjam
[09:49] <Oompa-Loompa> hi everyone
[09:49] <czajkowski> hey
[09:58] <huats> hey everyone
[09:58] <huats> does anyone can explain me how the new 5-a-day stuff works ?
[09:58] <czajkowski> ih a guy did yesterday
[09:58] <czajkowski> um
[09:59] <huats> czajkowski: can you find out the logs ?
[09:59] <czajkowski> dholbach
[09:59] <czajkowski> him
[09:59] <czajkowski> he explained
[09:59] <huats> yep I sure he is the one...
[10:00] <huats> czajkowski: do you have the logs ?
[10:00] <czajkowski> um
[10:00] <czajkowski> it was in loco-teams
[10:00] <czajkowski> is that room not logged?
[10:01] <huats> I was idling there
[10:01] <huats> may be I have them
[10:01] <huats> let me check
[10:01] <czajkowski> in and around 3 or a little before hand
[10:02] <huats> I have it indeed...
[10:02] <huats> thanks czajkowski
[10:07] <czajkowski> no probleme
[10:23] <stefanlsd> Anyone else having launchpad timeout issues still?
[10:33] <mangilimic> stefanlsd: I can confirm those timeout issues... I cannot open this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ...
[10:33] <mads-hk> same here
[10:34] <mads-hk> timout error
[10:34] <mads-hk> i just guess that the server is overloaded because of the huge bugjam
[10:35] <czajkowski> aye
[10:36] <posingaspopular> hey all, im ready to start beating up on bugs with the rest of the chicago loco team
[10:37] <stefanlsd> yeah. trying to search for a bug with package and timing out
[10:40] <czajkowski> we're the same over here i ireland
[10:40] <czajkowski> nobody can get access to it
[10:41] <Rafik> Hello, is a missing webcam driver considered as a bug ? if yes, to what package assign it ?
[10:42] <mangilimic> If you know the bug number, you can access to the page, for instance this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simple-ccsm/+bug/258665 works great, but if you want to access Ubuntu bugs you cant!
[10:50] <BrummyBugJam> mads-hk: it was overloaded yesterday. You'd have thought that Canonical would have thought about this and sorted out some extra servers.
[10:50] <BrummyBugJam> czajkowski: are you doing a bugjam over in EI at the moment ?
[10:50] <czajkowski> BrummyBugJam: IE yes :)
[10:51] <czajkowski> but we cant get ointo the site atm
[10:51] <BrummyBugJam> I meant to say Eire..
[10:51] <czajkowski> so we're doing a talk
[10:51] <czajkowski> there are 9 of us here
[10:51] <mads-hk> Hey guys... We are sitting here in Denmark... And we know sh** about bug triaging.. Any nice beginner links?
[10:51] <czajkowski> BrummyBugJam: tis ok
[10:51] <czajkowski> :)
[10:51] <stefanlsd> mads-hk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:51] <BrummyBugJam> czajkowski: I dont know whether you're the kind to think you're not part of the UK, but we're also coordinating UK Bugjam stuff in #ubuntu-uk-bugjam
[10:51] <mads-hk> okay thanks stefanisd :)
[10:52] <czajkowski> BrummyBugJam: *grin* :)
[11:11] <ziroday> Hi, this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267327 really doesn't look like a bug and its very old. Should I close it and direct the user to the xubuntu forums?
[11:26] <Rafik> ziroday> i think its simply xfce-panel
[11:26] <Rafik> alt + f2 then xfce4-panel
[11:26] <ziroday> Rafik: yeah, its most likely the reporter had removed xfce4-panel from his startup sessions list
[11:27] <Rafik> indeed
[11:27] <ziroday> Rafik: in which case its not a bug, as its a user configuration?
[11:27] <ziroday> no?
[11:28] <Rafik> i'd say it's not a bug, but i'm not enough experienced to be sure ^.^
[11:28] <ziroday> Rafik: right, shall mark it as invalid. Its going to expire soon anyway
[11:29] <Rafik> good then :)
[11:29] <ziroday> Rafik: thanks for helping :)
[11:29] <Rafik> ziroday> yw ^^
[11:37] <CMooney> Hey. How are hardware bugs usually handled? Seeing as it's not something Ubuntu can solve.
[11:41] <stefanlsd> CMooney: Is it hardware as in something ubuntu should support?  Do you have a link?
[11:45] <CMooney> stefanlsd, I decided to mark it as invalid. It's bug #326812
[11:47] <CMooney> By any chance is the Launchpad server being hammered at the moment?
[11:47] <czajkowski> since this morning
[11:48] <czajkowski> it seems to be a bit slow
[11:48] <czajkowski> and by slow I mean time outs
[11:48] <CMooney> ....ah well
[11:50] <BrummyBugJam> it was bad yesterday, today it's barely usable... Nafallo - you doing anything to fix this?
[11:50] <czajkowski> Nafallo: please
[11:56] <Nafallo> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :-P
[11:57] <czajkowski> Nafallo: morning
[11:57] <ebel> Yeah going a bit slow :)
[11:58]  * ebel waves from the irish bug jam event!
[11:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:00] <czajkowski> Nafallo: so you going to work some sort of magic?
[12:01] <Nafallo> czajkowski: like what? :-)
[12:03]  * Mean-Machine waves at ebel
[12:04] <CMooney> Got another question! How are bugs caused by closed drivers usually handled? Put as "invalid" and "sorry, we can't really do anything about it?"
[12:06] <wgrant> Nafallo: Like fixing LP!
[12:07] <czajkowski> lol
[12:09] <stefanlsd> LP is looking better
[12:10] <ebel> CMooney: Well sorta yeah. We can't fix closed source stuff
[12:11] <CMooney> ebel, K. He hasn't tried the open driver yet, so decided to report as incomplete asking him to try the open driver
[12:32] <mads-hk> Goooooodmorning
[12:41] <dholbach> HELLO!
[12:41] <jpds> Hey dholbach.
[12:41] <dholbach> hiya jpds
[12:43] <mads-hk> HEY YOOO! PARTY PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE! Put your hands in the aaaaaaiir!
[12:44] <mads-hk> Why don't your switch to launchpad server to Windows Server 2000? Guess thats working better? ;)
[12:44] <dholbach> mads-hk: are you trolling? :)
[12:44] <Broder_Barteser> If people think that mads-hk is rather crazy. Then think how it is to be in the same room with him :S
[12:44] <jpds> mads-hk: No, someone's repointing it at the secondary DB.
[12:44] <mads-hk> dholback -> A bit :( Im sorry :(
[12:45] <dholbach> no worries, just wanted to know if we're on the same page :-)
[12:45] <BrummyBugJam> dholbach: I was on the way to op and stuff
[12:45] <mads-hk> any news about the launchpad server?
[12:45] <mads-hk> What calling it a BuggyBugjam?
[12:46] <dholbach> mads-hk: you can try joining #launchpad and see if there's talk about what's going on
[12:46] <BrummyBugJam> dholbach: there isnt. But this is meaning that things are really not going well
[12:47] <wgrant> dholbach: It has been broken for hours, and IS knows of it.
[12:47] <dholbach> alrighty
[12:50] <stefanlsd> dholbach: heys!
[12:51] <dholbach> hiya stefanlsd
[12:53] <rpenhall> i'm trying to assign a package to a bug regarding the greek polytonic keyboard in which most of the letters work but the accents do not. Does anyone know which package these kind of bugs get assigned to? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/158439
[13:13] <Guest19253> test
[13:21] <stefanlsd> Anyone got any advice on rpenhalls q above? ^^
[13:22] <BrummyBugJam> hi people, we have a video stream of the ubuntu Birmingham bugjam setup and running @ http://autoview.autotrain.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=26
[13:23] <ccm> hi there from the berlin gbj
[13:23] <dholbach> rpenhall: dunno - maybe xkeyboard-config?
[13:23] <dholbach> hiya ccm, hey michazoet!
[13:24] <michazoet> hi dholbach
[13:24] <Broder_Barteser> BrummyBugJam, bon appetit from Denmark. ;)
[13:25] <ccm> :)
[13:25] <james_w> let's bug jam people!
[13:25] <james_w> hey ccm, how are you?
[13:25] <rpenhall> dholbach: thanks :)
[13:26] <dholbach> heya james_w
[13:26] <stefanlsd> BrummyBugJam: south africa watching you guys eat
[13:26] <ccm> james_w: fine, nice to see you again :)
[13:27] <ccm> james_w: the interview is already up on youtube but needs a re-edit as jorge's names is spelled completely wrong :)
[13:28] <james_w> hey dholbach
[13:28] <Broder_Barteser> don't point at people ;)
[13:28] <stefanlsd> dholbach: when do you think stats will be coming thru...
[13:28] <james_w> ccm: I saw it, it looks good despite the typo :-)
[13:28] <dholbach> stefanlsd: soon
[13:35] <stefanlsd> HEY - WE WANT CHOCOLATE CAKE!!!!!!!!
[13:35] <Nafallo> stefanlsd: yes, yes we do.
[13:35]  * Nafallo pokes Daviey 
 both edge and production should be better now; thanks to spm
[13:45] <dholbach> yoohoo!
[13:48] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  back working
[13:48] <czajkowski> :)
[13:48] <ebel> Jamming!
[13:48] <ebel> We be jamming!
[13:50] <czajkowski> stop or that song will be in my head
[13:52] <andresmujica> hello!!
[13:53] <andresmujica> anyone nows about a GBJ event around Houston, Texas?
[13:53] <BrummyBugJam> dholbach: can you add zeth0 to 5-a-day ?
[13:54] <dholbach> BrummyBugJam: just join the 5-a-day-participants team in LP
[13:54] <BrummyBugJam> nvm,, hes done it himself *claps*
[13:54] <dholbach> it's open
[13:56] <dholbach> woohoo
[13:56] <czajkowski> dholbach: that whole 5 a day seems to be confusing a lot of folks
[13:57] <andresmujica1> dholbach: Rock on!!! ;)  eveyone at FB is being asking me about what's GBJ? what should i do?!!  hehe it's pretty cool!!
[13:57] <dholbach> czajkowski: what's confusing?
[13:57] <dholbach> andresmujica: what are you looking for? documentation?
[13:58] <dholbach> andresmujica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material maybe?
[13:59] <andresmujica1> dholbach: np for that, they seem to be wonder about bugs and Ubuntu.. not as they're actually using Ubuntu... they're getting curious about it and how is possible that hundreds of people around the world are joined at the GBJ !!!
[14:00] <dholbach> andresmujica: and they're all there at the event?
[14:00] <Mean-Machine> dholbach, are we tagging triaged bugs via the 5-A-Day command?
[14:00] <dholbach> andresmujica: just give a short presentation then :)
[14:00] <dholbach> Mean-Machine: no, not necessary any more
[14:00] <dholbach> Mean-Machine: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day#Automatic%20Reporting
[14:01] <BrummyBugJam> are any other bugjams streaming vid?
[14:01] <andresmujica1> anyone knows about a GBJ session at Houston??
[14:01] <BrummyBugJam> 3+c3ear
[14:01] <Mean-Machine> dholbach, so all we need to do is join the 5-A-Day group on launchpad, correct?
[14:02] <dholbach> Mean-Machine: and add your Launchpad ID to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Events
[14:02] <andresmujica1> dholbach: what happens if someone reports via the 5-a-day command?
[14:02] <Mean-Machine> dholbach, that's done ;-] need to tell all the others tho
[14:03] <dholbach> Mean-Machine: ROCK
[14:03] <dholbach> andresmujica: that's not necessary any more
[14:03] <dholbach> it's automatic now
[14:03] <dholbach> I'm still looking at setting up the stats atm
[14:04] <andresmujica1> brummybugjam: if everything work as expected we will stream some video.. this afternoon.. i'll let you know!!
[14:04] <BrummyBugJam> andresmujica1: where from ?
[14:04] <andresmujica1> dholbach: cool... i was checking the no package bugs and it seems they're about 400 bugs less than the 19th ??
[14:04] <andresmujica1> brummy: we're from Colombia!!  #ubuntu-co
[14:05] <BrummyBugJam> cool :D
[14:05] <andresmujica1> is expected that Camila Davalos would join us ;)  (search at FB ! )}
[14:05] <dholbach> andresmujica: nice
[14:11] <andresmujica1> dholbach: what time is it for you?
[14:11] <dholbach> 15:11
[14:12] <andresmujica1> ahh ok.. 6hrs from here...
[14:13] <pedro_> hello guys
[14:13] <andresmujica1> hi pedro!
[14:14] <andresmujica1> you forgot to register your event at Bugs/Events, didn't u?
[14:14] <pedro_> hi andresmujica, how's the bug jam going  there? or is still a bit early to ask? ;-)
[14:14] <pedro_> andresmujica, no i didn't i'm waiting for the participants to show up at the event for doing it
[14:14] <czajkowski> dholbach: I'm not confused others were this morning
[14:15] <posingaspopular> dholbach: chicago is just waking up and getting ready to rock. i hope your gentle heart can handle it :P
[14:15] <Nafallo> bug 174470 should be resolved no?
[14:15] <andresmujica1> hheh! nop! yesterday almost everyone at the channel was fighting bugs, squashing "bichos" as they say!
[14:16] <andresmujica1> dholbach: do u know that bugs in spanish is like " bichos" ?
[14:16] <andresmujica1> at least in colombia
[14:17] <dholbach> no, I didn't
[14:19] <andresmujica1> anyone of you knows antti or Wellark ?  is the guy in charge of the 3g internet profiles...
[14:21] <andresmujica1> i need his help with this bug 317860
[14:24] <Nafallo> dholbach: so huhum. what do you think about bug 174470 ?
[14:24] <dholbach> Nafallo: isn't that resolved already?
[14:24] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc falconpl
[14:25] <Nafallo> dholbach: that what was I asked :-)
[14:25] <dholbach> :-)
[14:25] <dholbach> another bug closed!
[14:25] <Nafallo> \☺/
[14:26] <stefanlsd> ok, we're heading out of here. thanks for the assistance guys
[14:27] <stefanlsd> dholbach: good job on the videos, the girls think ur kinda cute
[14:28] <dholbach> haha
[14:28] <dholbach> :-)
[14:28]  * dholbach blushes
[14:29] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/1ltp4  from -ie
[14:29] <stefanlsd> i told em you do hugs for free
[14:32] <dholbach> czajkowski: NICE - please add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Stories :)
[14:34] <czajkowski> dholbach: added the tag to it buntu-global-bugjam-february-09
[14:38] <quixotic> me likely bug jam
[14:38] <ryanakca> I'm the maintainer of a package in Debian... same bug present in both Debian and Ubuntu. I'm guessing if I fix it in Debian, it would be impossible to sync it to Ubuntu, despite that bugfix being the only change?
[14:38] <MadsRH> If I can't hear the logout sound (login works fine) but it test's alright in the "sound preferences". Which package should I add to my bug report?
[14:39] <james_w> ryanakca: hey, why would it be impossible?
[14:39] <ryanakca> james_w: *shrug*, methought syncing was stopped ages ago :)
[14:40] <james_w> ryanakca: auto-syncing was stopped for jaunty, but it can still be done manually
[14:40] <james_w> we want bug fixes :-)
[14:40] <james_w> then autosyncing will start again when jaunty is released
[14:41] <pedro_> is anybody else having problem with edge (lp) ?
[14:42] <jpds> pedro_: Should be OK now.
[14:43] <pedro_> jpds: great, i was having some timeouts very often, thanks for the info
[14:43] <ryanakca> james_w: Also, I'm guessing I can't sync another package of mine that received bug fixes since it's a new upstream version?
[14:44] <james_w> ryanakca: we're in feature freeze now, so if there are new features in the new upstream it would need an exception
[14:44] <james_w> but it's right at the start of freeze, so the barrier is quite low
[14:46] <marius_> hello, got a question: i found a bug and made a patch, what to do now ?
[14:47] <markbt> Hi, I have a quick question about bug 45544. I added a patch to it on Tuesday, but I'm concerned this hasn't been noticed as it's marked "Fix Released" at the moment (which isn't true)
[14:49] <pedro_> markbt: the upstream task is marked as fix released not the one in ubuntu
[14:50] <markbt> yes, but that's not true as the bug is in an ubuntu patch (03_...)
[14:51] <pedro_> markbt: right, i've commented there, we need to ping mvo to have a look to the patch
[14:52] <pedro_> markbt: thanks for your work ;-)
[14:52] <markbt> np, thanks
[15:01] <bac> good morning
[15:02] <jpds> morning bac!
[15:04] <bac> hi jpds -- you in london for the bugjam?
[15:05] <jpds> bac: Yep. :)
[15:08] <marius_> some bug team member here ?
[15:08] <marius_> made a patch and don't really know what to do now
[15:09] <jpds> marius_: You can attach it to he bug report with a comment.
[15:09] <marius_> already done so, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/330259
[15:09] <marius_> anything else ?
[15:09] <marius_> how is it going to be released ?
[15:10] <jpds> marius_: You might want to talk to #ubuntu-kernel.
[15:10] <marius_> ok, thanks
[15:13] <ebel> Can you link a launchpad bug to a sourceforge bug?
[15:13]  * ebel is just learning about linking upstream
[15:14] <jpds> ebel: You can: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/RemoteTrackerCoverage
[15:18] <ebel> jpds: thanks :0
[15:25] <ebel> jpds: So what do I do? click on 'also affects project' or 'also affects distribution'?
[15:27] <greg-g> ebel: project
[15:27] <greg-g> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[15:27] <greg-g> also, a lot a stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[15:30] <savvas> Anyone using jaunty and vlc? bug 314038 - I made some test packages to fix the not embedded video problem
[15:30] <czajkowski> hmm
[15:30] <czajkowski> why do I find the weirdest bugs on my own machine that nobody else has
[15:31] <savvas> czajkowski: create a new user and see if it's local :)
[15:31] <czajkowski> savvas: ebel is your add remove working
[15:32] <ebel> When I go to 'also affects project', I can't find 'sourceforge' there.
[15:32] <savvas> in jaunty? yes
[15:32] <ebel> czajkowski: yes :P
[15:32] <czajkowski> git
[15:32] <savvas> czajkowski: run this in terminal: gnome-app-install
[15:40] <czajkowski> savvas: created a bug
[15:41] <dholbach> hi heno
[15:41] <heno> hey dholbach!
[15:41] <heno> I just arrived at the Birmingham Jam
[15:42] <dholbach> NICE
[15:42] <heno> how is Berlin rocking?
[15:43] <dholbach> heno: http://daniel.holba.ch/five-a-day-stats/ :-)
[15:45] <stgraber> hey heno
[15:45] <savvas> czajkowski: be sure to attach the output of: apt-cache policy gnome-app-install :)
[15:46] <czajkowski> dholbach: hmm ireland aren't showing up on that :(
[15:46] <dholbach> czajkowski: let me check
[15:47] <Mean-Machine> dholbach, it looks like the listed teams have used the 5-A-Day tool to tag the bugs
[15:47] <Mean-Machine> it shows only the tags
[15:47] <dholbach> Mean-Machine: no
[15:48] <dholbach> has nothing to do with the 5-a-day tool
[15:49] <czajkowski> savvas: added thanks
[15:52] <heno> hey stgraber
[15:56] <czajkowski> dholbach: any ideas?
[15:57] <dholbach> czajkowski: working on it - should be fixed in a sec
[15:58] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> hey all
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> happy bugjam
[15:58] <Mean-Machine> ubuntu-ie bug jam is finishing now
[15:58] <Mean-Machine> we'll share our story ;-]
[15:59] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[15:59] <dholbach> your guys ROCK!
[15:59] <dholbach> berlin team will be sitting here for another 3 hours
[15:59] <Mean-Machine> dholbach, cheers!
[15:59] <dholbach> although I might leave a bit earlier
[15:59] <dholbach> to get something to eat
[15:59] <dholbach> and take the dog out :)
[16:00] <Mean-Machine> ubuntu-berlin ROCK ON! good luck
[16:00] <dholbach> :-)
[16:04] <andresmujica1> dholbach:  what kind of dog u have?
[16:05] <dholbach> andresmujica: http://murphy.holba.ch
[16:05] <dholbach> czajkowski: it's showing up now, but it could be that some people are still missing on the list - will sort itself out in a bit
[16:08] <andresmujica1> dholbach: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?aid=7605&id=658335278
[16:08] <dholbach> andresmujica1: I don't use facebook :)
[16:09] <andresmujica1> ooo.. hehe!!  hmmm  http://identi.ca/andresmujica
[16:09] <dholbach> nice :)
[16:10] <andresmujica1> it's name samuel
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> should wishlist items be directed to the brainstorm and marked as invalid?
[16:12] <dholbach> no, I wouldn't do that generally
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> ok
[16:12] <Odd-rationale> just making sure...
[16:20] <emma> dholbach: the club-ubuntu.org team appreciates your work on the stats page. It's great and more than I expected so soon.
[16:20] <danage> anybody know of problems with ralink USB wifi after recent updates? i wish to file a bug but
[16:22] <dholbach> emma: it took longer than I expected and I'll work on people and team stats soon, just not this WE
[16:22] <dholbach> emma: thanks for the flowers :)
[16:28] <dholbach> have a great rest of Global Bug Jam - I'm out! :-)
[16:28] <dholbach> and post your stories on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Stories
[16:29]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[16:29] <dholbach> Jam On!
[16:35] <penguin42> I'm thinking 291842 may be a dupe of 286672; however 291842 is already marked as a dupe of 299441 which is maybe a bit more specific?
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> penguin42: you can mark a dupe of a dupe of a dupe..etc... that helps a lot when bugs get traiged, this way they can take out a lot of other bugs when fixing it (if they do)
[16:38] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: When I tried marking 291842 as a dupe of 286672 it told me that was an error and told me I had to change the other dupe
[16:39] <bcurtiswx> mark 286672 as a dupe of 291842 and it shouldn't
[16:40] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: can you explain why? 286672 already has a few dupes associated with it as well
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> penguin42: im not sure exactly (maybe someone else can elaborate), but my best guess would be the logic you mentioned above confuses the launchpad system enough that it gives you errors
[16:41] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: I didn't really want to change 286672 since it has more dupes associated with it, so is already kind of a central point for these issues
[16:42] <andresmujica1> penguin42: normally if a bug already has dupes attached to it, it can be marked as dupe for another master
[16:42] <andresmujica1> you should do it manually
[16:42] <andresmujica1> or use the bughelper tool
[16:42] <penguin42> bughelper?
[16:42] <bcurtiswx> andresmujica1: ty
[16:43] <andresmujica1> yeap a python tool that helps you to automate some tasks.   but if the bug you're trying to move has a few dupes, don't bother and go manually
[16:43] <pjbroad> hi could someone mark #287055 as wishlist please
[16:46]  * penguin42 doesn't really get which ones I should move the dupe on and why it didn't allow me to mark that one a dupe
[16:51] <andresmujica1> penguin42, which one is the bug again?
[16:52] <penguin42> andresmujica1: #291842
[16:52] <andresmujica1> bug # 291842 bug #286672
[16:52] <penguin42> andresmujica1: Suspecting it's a dupe of #286672
[16:52] <andresmujica1> bug #291842
[16:57] <andresmujica1> yeahp, i belive you're right
[16:58] <penguin42> andresmujica1: Thing is the 299441 looks like it has a specific comment on about a specific driver - and so I'm not really sure if that deserves to be a dupe of 286672
[16:59] <andresmujica1> so, the problem you're facing is that as you can see with bug #291842 , at the right column you'll find  that the bug #299441 is listed
[16:59] <andresmujica1> so you'll have to access this last bug, at the pencil icon at the side of the dupe mark change the master bug for the #286672
[17:00] <andresmujica1> the reporter talks about an specific driver, but the bug is the same.. so it's a bug.
[17:00] <andresmujica1> then at the master bug, put the tag master-bug
[17:00] <andresmujica1> then ask the reporters to validate with jaunty akpha4
[17:00] <penguin42> ok, hang on - one part at a time
[17:00] <andresmujica1> and if they can and willing to do it, ask them for the suspend resume tests for the machines.
[17:01] <andresmujica1> ok, first, move the 29941 as dupe from bug # 286672
[17:01] <penguin42> done
[17:01] <andresmujica1> now move the # 291482 as dupe from bug # 286672
[17:01]  * penguin42 suspects there may be multiple root causes of the error message so I'm a little concerned if they are all dupes
[17:02] <andresmujica1> maybe, maybe not.. but gathering all the data needed (suspend resume test) would tell us at the end if is the same bug or not..
[17:02] <andresmujica1> so at least if it's clearly 2 separate bugs i'll group them together..
[17:02] <penguin42> ok, now you said something about marking as master?
[17:03] <andresmujica1> now at the bug #286672 put the tag master-bug, just at the bottom of the description section
[17:04] <penguin42> I get a warning 'the tag master-bug hasn't yet been used by linux (Ubuntu) before'
[17:05] <andresmujica1> hmm..
[17:05] <andresmujica1> let's not use it then.. maybe is for other bugs.... let me check a sec
[17:05] <andresmujica1> ahh sorry
[17:05] <andresmujica1> is metabug
[17:05] <andresmujica1> the tag is metabug
[17:06] <andresmujica1> sorry
[17:06] <penguin42> thanks - that's done it
[17:06] <andresmujica1> add the kernel-oops tag too
[17:06] <andresmujica1> it would give more attention to the bug
[17:07] <penguin42> it's already got apport-kerneloops on
[17:07] <andresmujica1> great!
[17:07] <andresmujica1> now, ask the reporters to follow the debugging procedures for  KernelSuspend  and ask them to test in Jaunty4 if it still exists..
[17:07] <andresmujica1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[17:09] <andresmujica1> ahh and let them now that you marked some dupes from this bug, in fact you can write your doubts about the maybe non dupe bug, so someone from the kernel team can take a look
[17:11] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: I know about that bug, I'll let you have the master report in a mo
[17:11] <andresmujica1> about the comment, ask them first to test in Jaunty Alpha4 or latest updated intrepid, and if they're still facing the same issue to make the debugging procedures...
[17:11] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/331415
[17:13] <andresmujica1> TJ, but the one that penguin42 is working one is already triaged.. are you working on a patch for the 331415 ?
[17:13] <andresmujica1> ohh well. yeap
[17:13] <andresmujica1> it seems you're !
[17:13] <IntuitiveNipple> hehehe
[17:14] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: OK, do you want to glue those sets together then?
[17:14] <andresmujica1> upps, so we'll need to move those previous ones to this master bug... hmm bughelper, or multiple firefox tabs open at the rescue
[17:14] <andresmujica1> which one?
[17:14] <andresmujica1> :P
[17:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Let me confirm it first... if I'm sure the other bug is the same I'll mark it as duplicate
[17:14] <andresmujica1> great!!
[17:15] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: If you can post a question asking the reporters if they have any devices that load firmware... I'm not sure if we can give them a way to determine that for sure... but ask anyways :)
[17:16]  * andresmujica1 out for lunch
[17:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm not sure how we work around this. The work to patch the drivers can be very involved, and there's many affected from initial investigation
[17:18] <penguin42> can you just explain the problem?
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> If it is the same one, and it looks likely, when a PC boots some devices need to load firmware into devices like webcams, fingerprint readers, wifi network devices, etc.
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> The driver asks the kernel to load the firmware file, which in turn asks userspace for the file
[17:21] <penguin42> ok - where does it get the firmware from?
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> From /lib/firmware/
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Now, when a machine suspends the kernel *freezes* all userspace apps, then shuts down devices before power-down
[17:23] <penguin42> ah but when you wake back up you have to reload the firmware?
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> When it resumes, it brings up all devices first. If one of those devices needs to reload firmware, it asks the kernel which asks userspace again. This time though, userspace is frozen, so the 60-second kernel timeout occurs and then the driver gets told "sorry, no firmware"
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> After the devices have bee restarted userspace is unfrozen but by then its too late.
[17:24] <penguin42> i the userspace just used for the filename?
[17:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Now, the kernel provides two methods to get the firmware. The original one is firmware_load() and it blocks until the firmware file image is in memory.
[17:24] <IntuitiveNipple> The other, newer, is asynchronous called firmware_load_nowait()
[17:25] <IntuitiveNipple> But to make use of it, the drivers have to be rewritten, sometimes quite fundamentally
[17:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, the kernel always tries to delegate file loading to userspace helpers
[17:25] <penguin42> oh, so the userspace has to do the actual loading - hmm
[17:26] <penguin42> problem is you have to make sure enough useful devices are going to be able to start userspace
[17:26] <IntuitiveNipple> with the _nowait() version the driver registers a call-back function that the kernel will call once the firmware file is available. The resume continues with other devices in the meantime
[17:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Some devices will retain firmwares over the suspend/resume cycle, but it is a per-device issue
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> It depends on whether the bus the device is on is kept powered... some USB are, for example
[17:27] <penguin42> yeh
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll assign that bug to me and ask for /var/log/kern.log since that should show which driver has the problem
[17:28] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Is there a kernel.org defect for it?
[17:33] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: not that I have found so far
[17:34] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: File one and mark it as an upstream of your ubuntu bug? or possibly post to lkml?
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: I shall once I've done some more work on it
[17:37] <IntuitiveNipple> It might be caused only by out-of-tree drivers, in which case it's not a kernel problem
[17:37] <penguin42> yeh
[17:44] <penguin42> if a reporter asks for a bug to be closed because it's no longer a problem what's the right thing to do?
[17:44] <IntuitiveNipple> If there's no other activity, I mark them Invalid unless I'm sure that an update fixed it
[17:45] <penguin42> and then you mark it as fixed?
[17:45] <IntuitiveNipple> only if I know which package/version fixed it... then I paste in the applicable changelog entry
[17:46] <penguin42> nod
[17:46] <IntuitiveNipple> I write something suitably nice for the reporter so they don't read it as if I'm dismissing the bug report as bad
[18:06] <oldmanstan> is this anybody think this is a problem with ubiquity? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/326187
[18:08] <penguin42> oldmanstan: It's missing a lot of detail isn't it - e.g. what was the supposedly 500GB disc?
[18:08] <penguin42> oldmanstan: how was it connected? A copy of dmesg or /proc/partitions would help
[18:13] <oldmanstan> penguin42: agreed, it's weird that the drive showed up with 2 partitions if there weren't
[18:15] <penguin42> is there a way to find the metabugs ?
[18:15] <penguin42> ah - the tag list on the right
[18:30] <goat|lappy> I added a default response for expired bugs:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20Untouched%20(Expired)
[18:30] <goat|lappy> Edit as necessary, but it should be useful
[18:30] <salty-horse> can anyone confirm this on jaunty? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/332624
[18:31] <penguin42> I can try it, give me a sec
[18:32] <penguin42> hmm I better wait for my jaunty vm to finish updating
[18:33] <oldmanstan> salty-horse: happens for me too
[18:34] <oldmanstan> salty-horse: my jaunty vm is also updating so it may change, not sure if metacity was getting updated
[18:40] <salty-horse> oldmanstan, no update to metacity in sight on my end
[18:43] <oldmanstan> ok then i can confirm that bug
[18:43] <penguin42> mine is still doing it's update so hey....
[18:47] <salty-horse> thanks oldmanstan. can you add a comment in the bug?
[18:48] <oldmanstan> salty-horse: all done
[18:48] <salty-horse> thanks
[18:48] <oldmanstan> np
[18:49] <salty-horse> how can I link it to jaunty?
[18:50] <penguin42> just put jaunty in the title and put the package version in
[18:51] <salty-horse> isn't there's a way to attach it with metadata?
[19:06] <Yasumoto> What's the link to the test launchpad? I can't recall the url
[19:06] <BUGabundo> stagging
[19:06] <BUGabundo> Yasumoto: ^^^^
[19:06] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:07] <Yasumoto> epic, thanks
[19:07] <oldmanstan> is this a problem with the pulse packages or an alsa package? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/332631
[19:31] <andresmujica1> hi all!
[19:32] <posingaspopular> hi
[19:34] <bcurtiswx> anyone not having a blast doing some bug jamming???!!!?!?!?!?!?
[19:34] <bcurtiswx> you'd better not be!
[19:37] <emma> dholbach something is wrong
[19:38] <bcurtiswx> whats up?
[19:42] <dtchen> oldmanstan: it's confusingly reported. the symptoms are actually two separate bugs, one affecting the linux source package, and the other affecting pulseaudio.
[19:43] <dtchen> oldmanstan: i've triaged it to affect the former, because that's where the culprit actually lies
[19:44] <dtchen> oldmanstan: (at this point in current jaunty, nearly all bugs would affect the former, but please just ask me if you're not sure)
[19:44] <oldmanstan> dtchen: cool, thx
[19:46] <jcastro> emma: dholbach is asleep, anything I can help with?
[19:48] <emma> jcastro: the stats page had our stats going backward, but we think maybe someone added their name to the wiki wrong, and hopefully the next time they update it will be fixed :)
[19:53] <hollman> bug #330517
[19:56] <andresmujica1> hmm that font bug which should be the package...
[20:03] <bcurtiswx> bug #269660
[20:03] <bcurtiswx> im having trouble figuring out which package this deals with.. (i know its QT), but which qt package...
[20:04] <bcurtiswx> i think it would be best to know which applications they're installing to cause this.. even then, where would I go into triaging that correctly?
[20:10] <czajkowski> dholbach score on ie bugs today if u dont mind
[20:14] <andresmujica1> we must send a dholbach a lot of redbull... so he can stay awake...
[20:14] <czajkowski> lol zye
[20:14] <andresmujica1> hmm but he must be at 21:00 ...
[20:14] <czajkowski> coul domeone look up the stats for ireland please
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> yeah i think hes UTC+1
[20:15] <bcurtiswx> 21:15
[20:15] <pleia2> czajkowski: how many people out there for yours?
[20:15] <czajkowski> we had 14 in total
[20:16] <pleia2> cool :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> now we're gone for a drink
[20:16] <pleia2> high of 8 here, 7 remaine
[20:16] <pleia2> -e
[20:16] <posingaspopular> we have about 20 or so irl. 27 in the loco chan
[20:16] <jcastro> bdmurray: ping
[20:17] <bcurtiswx> jcastro: do you have to be in dev somehow to be a part of Summit? or can anyone go?
[20:17] <jcastro> bcurtiswx: anyone can go
[20:17] <czajkowski> nope anyone can go to uds
[20:18] <jjesse> bcurtiswx: i do doc work and have been sponsored several times
[20:18] <jjesse> bcurtiswx: you have to be invovled in the project for a sponsership
[20:18] <czajkowski> greetings from ireland folks
[20:18] <bcurtiswx> jjesse: I am a PhD student in computational sciences, but have gotten all people i can to use ubuntu
[20:19] <jjesse> bcurtiswx: make that a part of the application process
[20:19] <bcurtiswx> the most i've gotten involved with ubuntu is triage
[20:20] <bcurtiswx> i do server admin at school too
[20:20] <bcurtiswx> have a Gateway turned ubuntu, and a dell mini with ubuntu
[20:20] <bcurtiswx> the mini is AWESOME i must say
[20:21] <luisbg-de> anyone is mire
[20:22] <luisbg-de> anyone is more than invited
[20:23] <luisbg-de> it is very awesome
[20:23] <emma> Guys any ideas what package this affects -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/332647
[20:23] <luisbg-de> please come :)
[20:24] <czajkowski> aloha :)
[20:24] <nhandler> Is 5-a-day using the wiki page to determine what team your bugs should go towards?
[20:24] <bcurtiswx> yuppers
[20:25] <ccm> nhandler: yes
[20:25] <bcurtiswx> maybe we should put something on the top of the page that makes that a little more obvious?
[20:26] <ccm> bcurtiswx: think that's a good idea
[20:26] <bcurtiswx> ok, i will put up something
[20:29] <bcurtiswx> nevermind, seems like someone beat me to it
[20:29] <goat|lappy> whats the link for that page?
[20:29] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: 269660 doesn't seem to be *caused* by Qt, although i'm not convinced the reporter doesn't have gtk-qt-engine or some mapping installed
[20:30] <penguin42> the reporter could probably do with adding some debug - we noticed the club-ubuntu one dropped a bit before and couldn't see why
[20:31] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: yeah, thats what got me all confused with this one.
[20:33] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: im guessing its best to ask them which programs caused the problem, then i can test it on my VM to see which one causes this problem.. sound good?
[20:33] <bcurtiswx> and by programs.. i mean the ones they mention they installed that use QT librarys
[20:34] <dtchen> bcurtiswx: i recommend asking for more details, e.g., whether there is a mapping installed, whether the symptom is reproducible in a fresh boot from a jaunty 4 desktop cd, etc.
[20:40] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: ty
[20:41] <emma> What should one do in general with a bug marked for expiration?
[20:42] <emma> penguin42: it's jumped back up again.
[20:42] <penguin42> cool
[20:52] <maco> anyone else unable to start firefox today?
[20:53] <bcurtiswx> maco: just after login?
[20:54] <bcurtiswx> maco: i haven't had any problems myself
[20:55] <andresmujica1> maco: rm ~./.mozilla/firefox/profilenamething/lock
[20:56] <emma> would it be innapropriate to ask for more xorg information for this bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/332553
[20:56] <maco> andresmujica1: doesn't help. just hangs
[20:57] <maco> greasemonky would be *really* useful right now...dont know how to use greasemonkey in konqueror
[20:58] <andresmujica1> hmmm...
[20:59] <maco> i mean, it *might* be because plasma won't start
[20:59] <dtchen> emma: that appears to be a linux bug
[20:59] <maco> but konqueror and konsole and kontact all started from krunner
[20:59] <emma> dtchen: oh would that be an issue with modules?
[20:59] <dtchen> emma: i recommend asking for the reporter's ~/.xsession-errors and `dmesg'
[20:59] <emma> dtchen: you are good man
[21:00] <dtchen> emma: if appropriate, the next step would be to ask for information from /var/lib/acpi-support/
[21:00] <andresmujica1> maco:. maybe a killall -9 firefox .. then the rm thing and then starting from the console can show you some useful output
[21:02] <maco> wow like 6 of them were running, but no lock file
[21:02] <maco> and still hanging when i try to run it
[21:03] <thomas__> Hi
[21:03] <thomas__> Please take a look:
[21:04] <thomas__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121186/
[21:05] <thomas__> file a bug against all of these?
[21:05] <thomas__> Isthis normal when you have proposed in your sources.list?
[21:05] <thomas__> I get prompted to file a bug ...
[21:08] <thomas__> Anyone there?
[21:08] <penguin42> hang on
[21:09] <thomas__> ok
[21:09] <penguin42> thomas__: I'd report it against openoffice.org-core-dbgsym
[21:09] <penguin42> hmm but you have a couple of others as well that;s a little odd
[21:09] <thomas__> and wine and update-manager sepeerately?
[21:09] <thomas__> yeah i know
[21:10] <thomas__> that is why i ask first
[21:10] <thomas__> maybe I am doing something wrong
[21:10] <penguin42> I'd give it a little while, do an apt-get update and try again - I'm just wondering if something has half a set of updates in flight
[21:11] <thomas__> the update-manager thing is ancient
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> thats not a bug. your problem is that you havent got the intrepid-updates, intrepid-security or intrepid-proposed ddebs repository specified in your sources.list
[21:11] <thomas__> oh
[21:11] <thomas__> tx
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome:)
[21:11] <thomas__> I check it out now
[21:11] <thomas__> by the way
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> it just means that you're trying to install dbgsym packages for versions of packages that are older than the ones you have on your system already
[21:12] <thomas__> duncan litow changed the wiki
[21:12] <penguin42> what's that in English: 'le paquet vim-common est déjà installé et configuré'
[21:12] <thomas__> here:
[21:12] <thomas__> that means in english:
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> i assume it means that the package vim-common is already installed and configured
[21:12] <thomas__> the
[21:13] <thomas__> yeah!
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> i don't know, i'm not french, but it seems quite likely thats what it means;)
[21:13] <thomas__> i broke my left arm, type very slow now...
[21:13] <penguin42> ouch
[21:13] <thomas__> I do speak french
[21:14] <penguin42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/330630 - but the only way I can see if he got it would be to have explicitly asked to install it ?
[21:14] <thomas__> second language after dutch (i am belgian)
[21:14] <penguin42> you guys make damn good chocolate......
[21:14] <Yasumoto> Isn's there a huge list of bugs sorted by type somewhere on the wiki?
[21:15] <Yasumoto> like "bugs without a package" and such
[21:15] <maco> penguin42: no, that's the belgians
[21:15] <andresmujica1> http://tinyurl.com/ColombiaBugJam
[21:15] <penguin42> Yasumoto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/#Potential bug targets
[21:15] <maco> but mmmm truffles from bruxelles
[21:15] <andresmujica1> that link would point you to the unassigned package bugs
[21:15] <Yasumoto> penguin42: thanks :)
[21:15] <penguin42> maco: He said he was Belgian!
[21:16] <maco> he did?
[21:16] <penguin42> nod
[21:16] <maco> i just saw "i speak french"
[21:16] <andresmujica1> i just saw hi
[21:17] <thomas__> oh
[21:18]  * penguin42 wishes dpkg would output errors in English as well as local - I mean people looking at bugs can't know all languages
[21:18] <emma> dtchen: Is this a bug in ubiquity -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/314586
[21:18] <thomas__> sorry i missed the conversation
[21:18]  * charlie-tca thinks it could at least ask for the language it is in
[21:18] <thomas__> i am belgian anyway:
[21:19] <thomas__> duncan litow changed the wiki:
[21:19] <thomas__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:20] <thomas__> He put his name next to it because there was something wrong withe key from Martin Pitt
[21:20] <thomas__> just a week ago
[21:20] <thomas__> It used to show the four ddebs
[21:21] <thomas__> that gave problems:
[21:21] <thomas__> the alfas only need:
[21:21] <thomas__> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
[21:21] <thomas__> so you get an error message on apt-get update
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, thats confusing. feel free to edit it to state you should use *-updates, *-security and *-proposed for packages from these repositories in stable releases
[21:22] <thomas__> but the stable releases do need all four lines
[21:22] <thomas__> ok
[21:22] <thomas__> I show it here first
[21:22] <thomas__> so i don't mess it up
[21:22] <thomas__> like usual hehe
[21:23] <penguin42> hmm what's the cause of this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/330348   how do versions work like that?
[21:24] <dtchen> emma: it's immediately clear, unfortunately
[21:25] <emma> dtchen: it's not right?
[21:26] <dtchen> emma: recommend just setting the status to Incomplete until there's more information
[21:26] <dtchen> emma: it could be ubiquity, debian-installer, parted, or grub
[21:27] <emma> yeah i see.
[21:27] <emma> id like to know how did you come to achieve such competence dtchen ?
[21:27] <dtchen> s/competence/madness/
[21:28] <maco> emma: 10 years
[21:28] <emma> heh
[21:29] <andresmujica1> can be this bug #277579 marked as wishlist pls?
[21:30] <CMooney> Hey. I have a bug that turned out to be user error (didn't turn the wireless switch on) and I don't know how to close it.
[21:31] <CMooney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/332429
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> CMooney: set it to invalid
[21:31] <CMooney> bcurtiswx, thanks.
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> all, what is the correct tag for an upgrade request ?
[21:34] <bcurtiswx> ah, just found the tags page
[21:34] <bcurtiswx> nvm
[21:34] <bcurtiswx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags <-- in case anyone else wonders about tags
[21:36] <thomas__> chriscoulson
[21:36] <bcurtiswx> can someone set bug #332689 to wishlist
[21:36] <thomas__> I cannot edit that page
[21:36] <thomas__> it is immutable
[21:37] <thomas__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121195/
[21:37] <penguin42> there are a whole bunch of bugs with SiS 171 network but they all appear subtely different and am not sure if they can take a merging
[21:38] <thomas__> That is what I want to replace:
[21:38] <thomas__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:41]  * cprofitt_bug_jam waves
[21:41] <cprofitt_bug_jam> we are getting setup for our in person event
[21:44] <emma> has anyone ever thought of doing this differently?
[21:45] <emma> And couldn't almost all of these technically be marked incomplete?
[21:52] <slangasek> so are folks here working on the global bug jam this weekend?
[21:53] <slangasek> judging by the number of bugs being wrongly assigned to the acpi-support package, there's apparently a meme going around that this is a good place to assign bugs.  I'd like to correct that wrong impression, but don't know where these triagers are all coming from
[21:56] <cprofitt_bug_jam> I am working on the bug jam...
[21:56] <cprofitt_bug_jam> at an in-person event teaching people how to do it now
[21:57] <slangasek> cprofitt_bug_jam: I hope you aren't teaching them to assign suspend/resume and shutdown bugs to acpi-support? :)
[21:58] <hollman> bug #321673
[21:59] <hollman> this isn't a bug ?
[21:59] <cprofitt_bug_jam> slangasek, I do not think I can tell them that without a little more 'triage'
[21:59] <hollman> what can i do with this bug ?
[21:59] <stefanlsd> slangasek: it comes from a screencast video everyone watched
[21:59] <hollman> is a wishlist ?
[21:59] <stefanlsd> (we did the same thing today...)
[21:59] <slangasek> stefanlsd: gar, so that video is being used then
[22:00] <slangasek> stefanlsd: what needs to happen to get that video replaced or deprecated?
[22:01] <asomething> hollman: yes, needs-packaging requests are valid wishlist bugs
[22:01] <slangasek> I'm even seeing people assigning bugs to acpi-support where follow-ups from the submitter indicate the bug should be closed
[22:01] <stefanlsd> slangasek: umm, a entry into the wiki about it, or removing the link...  (Dereck Wanacott did the vid. (sp))
[22:01] <slangasek> stefanlsd: where is it linked to in the wiki?
[22:01] <hollman> asomething, but now i culdn't put in the wishlist
[22:01] <stefanlsd> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam#Material
[22:02] <hollman> i couln't have permision to change de status of the bug
[22:02] <stefanlsd> slangasek: its the - Assign a package to bugs video
[22:02] <slangasek> stefanlsd: ok, thanks; I'll update the wiki
[22:02] <asomething> hollman: i'll do it. you need to be on the bug-control team to set importances
[22:03] <hollman> asomething, ok
[22:04] <stefanlsd> slangasek: yeah, need to note that we need to check what we're putting out there for people... (we watched it today and i know guys we're assigning it to acpi-support) - will bring it up with dholbach in a bugjam followup meet
[22:08] <emma> how do i mark a bug as wishlist?
[22:08] <stefanlsd> emma: you need to be a member of bug-control to do that
[22:09] <emma> okay are you a member of bug control?
[22:09] <Lupine> referencing bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/317905  MythBuntu is not officially supported, right?
[22:10] <Lupine> I was going to mark as Invalid and post normal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Packages%20not%20provided%20by%20Ubuntu however, this isn't a "package"
[22:10] <emma> stefanlsd: are you a member of bug control?
[22:11] <popey> Lupine: mythbuntu is an officially recognised derivative
[22:11] <stefanlsd> emma: sorry im not. /me pokes asomething  :)
[22:11] <Lupine> popey, thanks, appreciate the feedback
[22:11] <slangasek> stefanlsd: so is there sound on this video?  Because I don't hear anything when I play it with totem
[22:11] <asomething> here
[22:11] <emma> who here is on the bug control?
[22:12] <emma> i have one that should be marked wishlist
[22:12] <hollman> bug #319943
[22:12] <hollman> asomething, wishlist
[22:12] <Lupine> popey, do you have a quick link that lists all that officially supported derivatives, I'll add that to my documentation
[22:12] <asomething> emma: i am, which bug?
[22:13] <popey> Lupine: why? what are you planning to do for non-officially recognised derivatives?
[22:13] <popey> Lupine: you're not going to reject them ?
[22:14] <Lupine> popey, I thought they would fall under this response: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Packages%20not%20provided%20by%20Ubuntu
[22:14] <stefanlsd> slangasek: yeah. trying totem now. sound doesnt work.  works for me in mplayer.
[22:14] <slangasek> heh, lovely
[22:14] <popey> Lupine: all mythbuntu packages are in the repo
[22:14] <emma> asomething: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/329771
[22:15] <Lupine> popey, right...but for the ones that are not, shouldn't that be the correct response?
[22:15] <popey> sure, Lupine but dont confuse distro with package
[22:15] <Lupine> popey, "the ones" meaning, the non-officially recognised derivatives
[22:15] <popey> s/distro/derivatives
[22:16] <asomething> emma: hollman: done and done...
[22:17] <hollman> asomething, :D
[22:17] <emma> asomething: thanks
[22:19] <hollman> bug #316591
[22:19] <hollman> asomething, wishlist
[22:20] <penguin42> any portugese speakers here?
[22:20] <slangasek> penguin42: yes
[22:20] <slangasek> stefanlsd: ok, wiki updated, thanks
[22:20] <penguin42> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/329218  I think that's a dupe of 261392 - do you agree?
[22:22] <slangasek> penguin42: looking
[22:23] <slangasek> penguin42: otoh, 329218 is already marked invalid, why worrying about it?
[22:23] <penguin42> slangasek: Bah - it wasn't when I started!
[22:23] <slangasek> oh :)
[22:24] <slangasek> "Apparently you had a problem installing an update to the kernel. I therefore mark this report as invalid" - erm
[22:24] <penguin42> I'm going to change that to a dupe
[22:25] <slangasek> penguin42: it is the same bug, so duping is appropriate, yes
[22:27] <cprofitt_bug_jam> Question... what would the multimedia function buttons be under -- ACPI or HAL?
[22:28] <slangasek> cprofitt_bug_jam: please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting for those
[22:28] <cprofitt_bug_jam> thanks
[22:28] <slangasek> (they generally need a lot of triaging to find the right component - it's fine to push them down the stack a step at a time while triaging)
[22:30] <penguin42> slangasek: On an ACPI subject; GPE storm detected - linux or acpi?
[22:30] <bdmurray> jcastro: pong
[22:38] <goat|lappy> bugs that have been reported as wishlist, should then be marked invalid, correct?
[22:38] <penguin42> why? It's perfectly reasonable to wish for something
[22:38] <jjesse> they still couldbe a valid wishlist
[22:38] <charlie-tca> No, not necessarily so
[22:38] <charlie-tca> wishlist is valid
[22:38] <goat|lappy> k
[22:38] <jjesse> might want to ask them to submit to brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[22:39] <penguin42> hell, I think someone once fixed a wishlist bug of mine.. ....
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I had one fixed, too
[22:41] <goat|lappy> oks,  thanks
[22:41] <cprofitt_bug_jam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/299188 -- unsure of of what package -- xserver-xorg-input-evdev ?
[22:41] <cprofitt_bug_jam> anyone care to take a look?
[22:41] <cprofitt_bug_jam> I doubt it is metacity as tagged now
[22:41] <penguin42> it's interesting it's only when there's a drop down menu
[22:42] <cprofitt_bug_jam> or right click menu
[22:42] <BUGabundo1> cprofitt_bug_jam: that's a dupe
[22:42] <penguin42> that suggests the event is getting through but when something has a grab it's getting them rather than whatever is supposed to deal with hotkeys - so that could be metacity
[22:42] <cprofitt_bug_jam> and that does not affect my T500 laptop's ability to mute -- the mute key is not recognized with on-screen display
[22:42] <BUGabundo1> there are already a few bug about similar patterns
[22:43] <cprofitt_bug_jam> a duplicate of which?
[22:43] <cprofitt_bug_jam> I followed another bug to that one??
[22:45] <BUGabundo1> humm
[22:45] <BUGabundo1> you have to search for it
[22:45] <BUGabundo1> I once opened one for firefox
[22:45] <BUGabundo1> and it got duped to a master one
[22:45]  * BUGabundo1 looks at ff awesome bar
[22:46] <BUGabundo1> cprofitt_bug_jam: didn't find it with a quick look
[22:48] <penguin42> oh that's weird
[22:48] <penguin42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/327945  has a installation script killed by signal (Interrupt) - and I've seen a similar bug earlier; that's normally a ctrl-c isn't it?
[22:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:57] <penguin42> where should bugs about non-working/detected SAS controlelrs go - just linux ?
[23:03] <robbmunson> penguin42: i would assume just the linux kernel itself.
[23:03] <penguin42> ok, so I'll assign to linux - what is the linux-meta package?
[23:04] <robbmunson> penguin42: you're using it on a normal setup and not a "server" environment correct?
[23:05] <penguin42> robbmunson: I was just trying to look through someone elese bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/327783
[23:05] <robbmunson> let me take a look and ill see what i can snoop out :)
[23:06] <penguin42> just looks like a missing driver
[23:06] <robbmunson> yeah, looks like a missing driver in the linux-generic kernel
[23:06] <penguin42> (there's a forum entry for someone saying we need better support for that, or it's not support if Marvell released one)
[23:07] <robbmunson> kernel drivers are a tricky subject.....sometimes there isnt an open source driver to use and the hardware just goes so where you cant use it.
[23:13] <penguin42> hmm annoying, launchpad search doesn't seem to search attachments - so is useless for searching for oops symbols
[23:13]  * penguin42 wonders where to submit that
[23:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: use the API or python lib
[23:15] <penguin42> yeuch
[23:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: bugs against LP search should be filed against malone IINM
[23:15] <goat|lappy> what happened to holba's script...
[23:15] <goat|lappy> the 5 a day stats are blank :-P
[23:15] <andresmujica> hi again
[23:16] <emma> the 5-a-day-stats are.. oh you noticed.
[23:16] <emma> Can club-ubuntu.org team still score a point if we file a bug againstthe 5-a-day-stats page?
[23:16] <penguin42> emma: Sounds like a double-point bug to me :-)
[23:17] <emma> :D
[23:17] <penguin42> ah, already a malone bug for searching attachments
[23:17] <goat|lappy> lolz, i think that script is whack anyways, the chicago loco definately scored more than is documented
[23:17] <goat|lappy> We Need Source!!
[23:17] <andresmujica> which are the stats page?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> holbach said he would make sure they get updated
[23:19] <goat|lappy> good times, i'm sure he will get the updated stats as the jam finishes up
[23:19] <andresmujica> but the stats are the ones at http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/ ?
[23:19] <penguin42> bah I'm getting a timeout trying to mark a malone bug as a dupe
[23:19] <goat|lappy> andresmujica: yes
[23:19] <andresmujica> ahhh ok..
[23:20] <andresmujica> yes the script is stopped.. 20feb at 1231 utc...
[23:21] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I got timeouts all day
[23:21] <BUGabundo> can you paste the timeout id on #launchpad please?
[23:21] <penguin42> just done it
[23:22] <BUGabundo> its not friday, but its always fun : http://www.funtasticus.com/20090220/friday-wild-girls-february-20-2009/
[23:29] <andresmujica> hi, we're streaming video (don't know if audio) from Cmolombian Bug Ja
[23:29] <andresmujica> http://giss.tv:8000/Nicktstreaming.ogg
[23:30] <slangasek> penguin42: I don't know what a GPE storm is, but the bug certainly shouldn't be assigned to 'acpi' (nor 'acpi-support')
[23:30] <penguin42> slangasek: Well the error is ACPI: EC: GPE storm detected, disabling EC GPE so you can see why someone might think it should be
[23:31] <slangasek> penguin42: sure, I see why someone might think that, but it's definitely incorrect :)
[23:31] <penguin42> slangasek: OK, I'll change the package to linux - can you explain what the 'acpi' package is for then?
[23:32] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121236/
[23:32] <thomasdelbeke> Hi
[23:32] <thomasdelbeke> what to do?
[23:32] <thomasdelbeke> file bug?
[23:32] <slangasek> penguin42: 'apt-cache show acpi'
[23:33] <slangasek> penguin42: i.e., it's a trivial tool in universe
[23:33] <penguin42> slangasek: Ah got you
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> can someone tell me if i reported this upstream correctly? thanks! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/286050
[23:37] <jcastro> bdmurray: can you kick off an update to your unlinked bug watch page on people.u.c?
[23:37] <jcastro> bdmurray: we resolved a bunch this morning
[23:38] <andresmujica> odd-rationale: you can create the gnome upstream link
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> andresmujica: what do you mean? the upstream link already existed...
[23:40] <thomasdelbeke> so is it http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug for this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/121236/?
[23:40] <thomasdelbeke> it uses gnome bug tracker
[23:40] <thomasdelbeke> should i use bug-buddy?
[23:40] <thomasdelbeke> or did i do something wrong again?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I always use apport-cli (or the new -collect)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> if I'm online... if offline, I just send an email
[23:41] <thomasdelbeke> ok tx
[23:41] <thomasdelbeke> you think it is a genuine bug though?
[23:42] <thomasdelbeke> oh
[23:42] <andresmujica> odd-rationale:hmm i believe there's another bug covering that issue already....
[23:42] <thomasdelbeke> apport-cli works on crash reports only
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> andresmujica: oh ok... so what i did was incorrect?
[23:43] <thomasdelbeke> no crash report was generated
[23:43] <andresmujica> odd-rationale: nooo!! what you did is great!!!
[23:43] <thomasdelbeke> i just ran serpentine from the terminal:
[23:43] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121236/
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Odd-rationale: just not completed yet
[23:44] <cprofitt_bug_jam> anyone have the link for putting the bug upstream?
[23:44] <andresmujica> odd-rationale: i'm trying to find the previous report...
[23:44] <Odd-rationale> how to complete?
[23:44] <cprofitt_bug_jam> I have not done that before...
[23:44] <BUGabundo> thomasdelbeke: you can invoke it to collect data
[23:44] <thomasdelbeke> because the gui does not respond
[23:44] <jjesse> launchpad runing slow for anyone else?
[23:44] <charlie-tca> click "also affects project" and but the upstream URL in it
[23:44] <charlie-tca> s/but/put
[23:44] <andresmujica> odd-rationale:  you can create the upstream task, but i believe maybe we can search the other bug related..
[23:44] <BUGabundo> jjesse: yes
[23:44] <thomasdelbeke> how to invoke crash?
[23:44] <jjesse> bummer, wonder if it can't handle the bug jam?
[23:44] <cprofitt_bug_jam> what is the URL for GIMP?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: isn't it already there? i seethe bug number in the remote bug watches...
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I'm not seeing it. It should be right above the original gnome-panel line
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I see it over on the side.
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: oh ok...
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> i got it...
[23:47] <andresmujica> charli-tca, odd-rationale: i cannot see it either
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> andresmujica: you will soon see both... :P
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> (if i can get it right..)
[23:49] <paguilera> It appears Launchpad is getting a lot of traffic.  I just saw a Please Try Again acreen when trying to update a bug.
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Yes, many people are hitting it at the same time and it does that.
[23:50] <paguilera> Right.
[23:50] <andresmujica> odd-rationale, charlie-tca:  this is the bug i was thinking about: bug #299188
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: so i click affects other project, but what do i put for the project? the gnome bugzilla url?
[23:51] <charlie-tca> yes, Odd-rationale
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: it is telling me: There is no project in Launchpad named "http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551163".
[23:52] <andresmujica> odd-rationale: look for the url box
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> andresmujica: there is none...
[23:52] <andresmujica> hmm
[23:52] <andresmujica> let me check
[23:52] <charlie-tca> Odd-rationale: If it came up with project, it says there is no gnome-panel in there yet.
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> i can give you screen shot if you don't beleive me...
[23:52] <charlie-tca> It is telling us the project doesn't exist yet
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> ok. well can i create it?
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Makes it a little harder.
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Yes, create it by filling in the box with gnome-panel
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> ok
[23:53] <jcastro> there should be a project for gnome-panel already you just have to fill in the box
[23:54] <jcastro> then it will let you paste in the GNOME url
[23:54] <andresmujica> in the meantime take a look to bug #299188  you can mark that bug and it's dupe as dupe from your specific bug, taking in account that you've got an upstream report now!
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> ok. see if this is correct: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/286050
[23:54] <andresmujica> odd-rationale:  great!!  i can see it!
[23:55] <jcastro> great job Odd-rationale!
[23:55] <penguin42> Odd-rationale: I'm not sure I believe that's xserver-xorg-input-evdev - as I say, if the input works any of the time it means the events are getting through
[23:55] <jcastro> linking bugs makes me so happy
[23:55] <charlie-tca> me too
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> me too!
[23:55] <charlie-tca> You got it!
[23:55] <jcastro> you can probably mark it confirmed as well
[23:55] <penguin42> ah right, sorry - the bot lied about the package
[23:56] <wgrant> penguin42, Odd-rationale: That's certainly not evdev.
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> wgrant: i did not put evdev...
[23:56] <wgrant> Potentially GTK, possibly xserver.
[23:56] <thomasdelbeke> ok, i just filed it as:
[23:56] <thomasdelbeke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/serpentine/+bug/332725
[23:56] <Odd-rationale> wgrant: the bot gave a reply not to the link i posted.
[23:57] <thomasdelbeke> should i leave it like that?
[23:57] <wgrant> Odd-rationale: Oh, true, LP is just being stupidly laggy.
[23:57] <thomasdelbeke> what is it with "invoke" apport-cli?
[23:58] <WastePotato> Launchpad won't even load for me. :(
[23:58] <bdmurray> jcastro: there's a problem with the staging db
[23:59] <jcastro> bdmurray: ok no worries
[23:59] <paguilera> Hi Folks.  Can someone help me figure out how to push Bug# 332665 upstream?  This is a GIMP bug.
[23:59] <paguilera> bug #332665