[00:13] <pteague> anybody know of a quick way to copy all of the settings from 1 front end to another?
[01:01] <pteague> i can't seem to get the same style info & position osd on my desktop as i get on my normal front end... any ideas?
[01:11] <pteague> nm, finally found the spot for the config
[07:02] <Luna-Tick> Hi, is there a Nick here?
[07:02] <Luna-Tick> He has been helping me with a Mythbuntu LP question: https://answers.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+question/61858/
[07:15] <rhpot1991> Luna-Tick: thats foxbuntu
[07:15] <rhpot1991> he may not be paying attention now though
[07:16] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, Hello
[07:16] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, thanks for the ping, was away
[07:16] <rhpot1991> np foxbuntu
[07:16] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: you don't happen to know where the heck the free space setting is?
[07:17] <rhpot1991> I thought it was in mythtv-setup>general, but I can't find it there
[07:17] <rhpot1991> hmmmpf
[07:17] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, hmm, thats where I thought it was too
[07:17] <rhpot1991> let me check again
[07:18] <rhpot1991> ya its not there
[07:18] <Luna-Tick> Hi!
[07:19] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, so where are we at?
[07:19] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, hmm...let me move down to the liar and I can look on my other machine
[07:19] <Luna-Tick> Well, I tried the pretty "Restricted Device Manager"/jockey interface to install the fglrx drivers and had the strange video issues.
[07:20] <Luna-Tick> So I ended up removing them and going back to ati
[07:20] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, you on Mythbuntu 8.10?
[07:21] <foxbuntu> ...with the 780G chipset right?
[07:21] <Luna-Tick> Yes, 8.10.  Is there going to be an advantage to video playback or CPU use by  changing from ati to fglrx?
[07:21] <Luna-Tick> Yes
[07:21] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, you generally get smoother frame rates from fglrx over the open source driver when dealing with the HDMI port
[07:21] <Luna-Tick> Just to catch up with where things are at, have the fancy new RadeonHD drivers not made it into Ubuntu yet?
[07:22] <Luna-Tick> Right.  At the moment I am back to the D-Sub as I had issues getting the sound to work over HDMI
[07:22] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, they are in Ubuntu main, but dont support the newer chipsets yet iirc
[07:22] <Luna-Tick> Right
[07:23] <Luna-Tick> I haven't had any issues installing non-Free drivers with Jockey before, so I was quite surprised at the seriousness of the problems.
[07:23] <Luna-Tick> I am using Myhtbuntu 64
[07:23] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, 64 wont make a difference here
[07:24] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, frontend > Setup > Setup > TV > General
[07:25] <foxbuntu> 2nd page ish
[07:25] <Luna-Tick> I wouldn't have thought so, but I also get a "Mode not supported" from the TV during Usplash on startup and shutdown on the 64-bit version, but when I switched the HDDs back to the 32-bit installation to retrieve the database, the usplash works fine.  Not too important, but interesting.
[07:25] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, prob a bug in the usplash package, god knows its possible since I built it
[07:25] <foxbuntu> ;)
[07:25] <Luna-Tick> Haha
[07:26] <foxbuntu> ...anyways
[07:26] <Luna-Tick> Yeah.
[07:26] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, switch over to the dsub terminal
[07:27] <foxbuntu> then: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:27] <foxbuntu> sudo dpkg -l | grep ati
[07:27] <foxbuntu> what is the output?
[07:27] <Luna-Tick> There is heaps - anything with those three letters together
[07:27] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, ah right
[07:28] <foxbuntu> sudo dpkg -l | grep ^ati
[07:28] <Luna-Tick> But remember that I am back to using the ati driver now - I changed the xorg.conf to get back to a usable desktop
[07:28] <Luna-Tick> sure
[07:29] <Luna-Tick> Nothing
[07:29] <Luna-Tick> (What does the ^ do?)
[07:29] <foxbuntu> it should make it look for ati @ the start of the word
[07:29] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: my 2nd page is db config page 2
[07:29] <rhpot1991> nothing on there at all
[07:29] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, ?
[07:30] <rhpot1991> next page is audio
[07:30] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, its on the AutoExpire options page
[07:30] <rhpot1991> ah there it is
[07:30] <rhpot1991> heh
[07:30] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:31] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: I had it at 5gb, going to bump that and see if it helps me from getting 99% fragged
[07:31] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, yeah, mine is a bit higher
[07:31] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, I sitll get to 99
[07:31] <rhpot1991> what are you at?
[07:31] <rhpot1991> hmmm
[07:32] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, you using XFS?
[07:33] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: yepper
[07:33] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: do you use openwrt?
[07:33] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, sudo dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:33] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, no, I havent wanted to spend the time on it when I going to be switching to a real firewall soon
[07:34] <foxbuntu> going to cost me a bit, but I figure i better
[07:34] <Luna-Tick> That is there (no surprise, I manually reinstalled it)
[07:35] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, anything else show up?
[07:35] <foxbuntu> shouldnt
[07:35] <Luna-Tick> No
[07:35] <foxbuntu> sudo dpkg --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:35] <foxbuntu> let me know if errors pop up
[07:38] <Luna-Tick> I did that before and get an error about dependencies (xserver-xorg-video-all)
[07:38] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, whats the exact error?
[07:40] <Luna-Tick> dependency problems prevent removal of xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:40] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, ok, do this then:
[07:40] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:41] <Luna-Tick> xserver-xorg-video-all depends on xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:41] <foxbuntu> and when it asks to remove the depends, make note of which ones and then say yes
[07:42] <Luna-Tick> Um.... problem
[07:42] <Luna-Tick> I was doing that through an accessories terminal
[07:42] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:43] <Luna-Tick> Now I tried to switch to the Ctrl+Alt+F1
[07:43] <foxbuntu> you need to switch over
[07:43] <Luna-Tick> and get the "Mode Not Supported" error
[07:43] <foxbuntu> you attached to a tv?
[07:43] <foxbuntu> oh right
[07:43] <foxbuntu> duh
[07:43] <foxbuntu> anyways
[07:43] <Luna-Tick> That was working under the D-Sub with fglrx
[07:43] <foxbuntu> reboot, and then it should be fine
[07:44] <Luna-Tick> Reboot when?
[07:44] <Luna-Tick> I haven't removed that package yet
[07:44] <foxbuntu> oh
[07:44] <Luna-Tick> Do that first?
[07:44] <foxbuntu> well switch to dsub then
[07:44] <Luna-Tick> Sorry, I am not being clear
[07:44] <foxbuntu> ctrl+alt+f2
[07:44] <Luna-Tick> Same problem
[07:44] <foxbuntu> mode not supported?
[07:45] <foxbuntu> thats a resolution problem with the TV
[07:45] <Luna-Tick> It seems to work under D-Sub with fglrx, but not D-Sub under ati
[07:45] <Luna-Tick> But I get text when I boot (BIOS etc.)
[07:45] <foxbuntu> it shouldnt matter
[07:45] <Luna-Tick> It seems bizarre
[07:46] <Luna-Tick> It definitely worked under fglrx because that is how I changed xorg.conf back again - and it definitely isn't working now...
[07:47] <foxbuntu> well at any rate, you should be able to remove and replace the package from gnome
[07:47] <Luna-Tick> Why do I want to do that?
[07:47] <Luna-Tick> Just checking we're on the same page - my -ati driver is working properly
[07:48] <foxbuntu> to give you an attempt at getting HDMI audio work and to get better video performace
[07:49] <Luna-Tick> Oh sorry - so remove -ati and replace with -fglrx
[07:49] <foxbuntu> yes
[07:50] <Luna-Tick> Ok, so I'll do what you tell me ;).
[07:50] <Luna-Tick> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati
[07:50] <foxbuntu> you will need to reboot this time though, because gnome will hold onto the driver
[07:51] <foxbuntu> but before you reboot
[07:51] <foxbuntu> change your xorg
[07:51] <Luna-Tick> Right - ati and all are gone
[07:51] <foxbuntu> ok
[07:51] <Luna-Tick> Do I need to install fglrx?
[07:51] <foxbuntu> yes
[07:51] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx (i think)
[07:52] <aniiena> do I get a desktop/cli with mythbuntu?
[07:52] <Luna-Tick> aniiena - yes, you do
[07:52]  * foxbuntu uses restraint to not make a smart remark
[07:52] <aniiena> do I need to redo xorf.conf everytime I connect a different TV/monitor?
[07:53] <foxbuntu> aniiena, no
[07:53] <foxbuntu> aniiena, when X starts up it will change accordingly
[07:53] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: It already has the latest version of that driver
[07:53] <foxbuntu> aniiena, you can simply reboot, or hads will tell you you can also just restart gdm
[07:54] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, of fglrx?
[07:54] <aniiena> alright, thanks
[07:54] <Luna-Tick> Yes. So I change xorg.conf to read "fglrx" instead of "ati"?
[07:54] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, yup
[07:54] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, then either ssh into the machine and restart X or reboot, either way should be fine
[07:55] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, brb
[07:55] <Luna-Tick> np
[07:57] <Luna-Tick> Same problem
[07:58] <Luna-Tick> The desktop loads fine, but then myhtfrontend starts and the screen is garbage
[07:58] <Luna-Tick> Once that has happened, changing to the other virtual desktop (Ctrl + Alt + Right) gives garbage as well.
[07:59] <Luna-Tick> But, strangely, the Ctrl + Alt + F1 does now work
[07:59] <Luna-Tick> (even if it shouldn't make a difference ;))
[08:05] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, give you give more details? a better description of what it looks like?
[08:06] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, can you give more details*
[08:07] <Luna-Tick> Will do
[08:13] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, ah resoultion is off
[08:13] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, likely the fglrx driver selected the wrong one
[08:13] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, Usually not a problem with Samsung TV though
[08:14] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, 1080p or 720p tv?
[08:14] <Luna-Tick> 720p
[08:14] <Luna-Tick> (unfortunately ;))
[08:15] <aniiena> welp
[08:15] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, yea, well unless your h.264, 720p is all your going to get anyways
[08:15] <aniiena> installing mythbuntu now
[08:15] <aniiena> wish me luck
[08:15] <foxbuntu> aniiena, should be pretty easy
[08:15] <foxbuntu> aniiena, thats what support people are for :)
[08:16] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, can you pastebin your current xorg.conf and I will edit it for you and send it back?
[08:16] <Luna-Tick> Hmmm....
[08:17] <Luna-Tick> That could be a challenge
[08:17] <Luna-Tick> I'll try
[08:17] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, nvm then
[08:17] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, I will just send you what you need to add/change
[08:17] <Luna-Tick> You really are excellent at this!
[08:18] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, I have been breaking my own stuffs for a long time and develing on this project since it started, I sure hope Im getting better
[08:18] <foxbuntu> !pastebin
[08:18] <Zinn> when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[08:19] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m549cfcf5
[08:19] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, make sure that the names for the monitor and device are the same, (they should be its the defaults)
[08:20] <foxbuntu> ie if your ati card is Named "Ati somecard" rather than "Generic Device" then change what I sent you to match
[08:20] <foxbuntu> the important parts is the resolution portion
[08:21] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, also: www.foxmediasystems.com
[08:21] <foxbuntu> ;)
[08:22] <Luna-Tick> Is there meant to be a " after the 720x$?
[08:23] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu:
[08:23] <aniiena> best to format my usb stick to fat32 before using it with mythbuntu?
[08:23] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, oops
[08:23] <foxbuntu> thats just left overs from my term
[08:24] <foxbuntu> delete it
[08:24] <foxbuntu> make the last one "1024x768"
[08:24] <foxbuntu> delete the rest on that line
[08:26] <aniiena> silicon dust hdhomerun config utility
[08:26] <aniiena> what's that?
[08:27] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: Done
[08:27] <foxbuntu> aniiena, its a utility required if you have an HDHomeRun HD Tuner
[08:27] <Luna-Tick> Now what
[08:27] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, restart X again
[08:27] <aniiena> by default it wants me to diable tv-out
[08:27] <foxbuntu> ctrl+alt+bkspc
[08:27] <aniiena> I can easily enable it when I need it?
[08:27] <foxbuntu> aniiena, what output are you using?
[08:27] <aniiena> right now a monitor
[08:27] <aniiena> but at different times I plan to use different TV sets
[08:28] <foxbuntu> what type of connection is the goal?
[08:28] <aniiena> either hdmi or composite
[08:28] <foxbuntu> go ahead and unselect it
[08:28] <foxbuntu> wont hurt
[08:28] <foxbuntu> it will default to the connection thats plugged in at boot
[08:29] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, ctrl+alt+bkspc
[08:30] <Luna-Tick> Same issue
[08:30] <foxbuntu> still out of wack eh?
[08:30] <Luna-Tick> Yupp
[08:31] <foxbuntu> hrm
[08:31] <Luna-Tick> Hang on
[08:31] <foxbuntu> I have a machine with the same chipset
[08:33] <foxbuntu> which one I am not sure at this point
[08:34] <Luna-Tick> Nope
[08:34] <Luna-Tick> I just checked and it isn't working
[08:35] <Luna-Tick> It is so odd, because it is working fine until Mythfrontend starts and stuffs it
[08:35] <foxbuntu> try  full reboot
[08:35] <Luna-Tick> Will do
[08:37] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: same problem
[08:37] <foxbuntu> intresting
[08:38] <Luna-Tick> Can I send you a log or something?
[08:38] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, so if you ctrl+alt+bksp, it should go back to the login at first, is that screen off too?
[08:38] <Luna-Tick> No, that is fine
[08:38] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, so it really is Myth causing it, thats odd
[08:39] <Luna-Tick> Could it be something to do with those "Prescaled images" or something?
[08:39] <foxbuntu> or at least a QT/OpenGL app
[08:39] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, well it does that based on the res
[08:39] <Luna-Tick> Which hasn't changed
[08:40] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, ...im thinking, I have had similar issues in the past
[08:43] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, in your xorg.conf Device Section:
[08:43] <aniiena> under video capture card setup
[08:43] <aniiena> it's asking for my video device...
[08:44] <foxbuntu> aniiena, its your tuner, what kind do you have?
[08:44] <aniiena> hauppage
[08:44] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, add this: Option "VideoOverlay" "off"
[08:44] <aniiena> 1500
[08:44] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, also add this line same spot: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "on"
[08:45] <aniiena> Analog V4L capture card?
[08:45] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, in the server layout section: Option "AIGLX" "on
[08:45] <foxbuntu> aniiena, no
[08:45] <foxbuntu> aniiena, 1500?
[08:45] <foxbuntu> aniiena, perhaps do you mean HVR-1600?
[08:45] <aniiena> err
[08:45] <aniiena> 150
[08:45] <foxbuntu> oh
[08:45] <foxbuntu> thats a great card
[08:46] <foxbuntu> aniiena, next tuner in the list
[08:46] <aniiena> mpeg capture card?
[08:46] <foxbuntu> I think, its the PVR-xxx card
[08:46] <foxbuntu> uh
[08:46] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: by the way, mine says "Configured Monitor" instead of "Generic Monitor" and Device is "Configured Video Device" - should I have changed those to match yours?
[08:46] <foxbuntu> look for the one with PVR in the name
[08:46] <aniiena> mpeg-2 encoder card (PVR-x50 etc)
[08:46] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, no
[08:46] <aniiena> what do I put in for video device?
[08:47] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, they are just names, really doesnt matter
[08:47] <Luna-Tick> Thought so
[08:47] <Luna-Tick> I'll make your changes
[08:47] <foxbuntu> aniiena, should have defaulted to /dev/video0 and Says PVR-150 tuner under neath
[08:47] <Luna-Tick> Do I add you changes outside the SubSection?
[08:47] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, yes
[08:48] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, in ServerLayout
[08:48] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, not in Screen
[08:48] <aniiena> actually
[08:48] <aniiena> I have a Win-TV-HVR-1250
[08:49] <foxbuntu> aniiena, well, thats a very different card
[08:49] <aniiena> I am coming to that realization
[08:49] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: I don't have a server layout section
[08:50] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, really?
[08:50] <Luna-Tick> Yeah
[08:50] <foxbuntu> not at the very top?
[08:50] <Luna-Tick> Nope - it starts with "Monitor"
[08:50] <Sharkonwheels> rhpot1991: you still around?
[08:51] <aniiena> I will just skip this part
[08:51] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I highly doubt it, its nearly 4A for him
[08:51] <foxbuntu> aniiena, no
[08:51] <Sharkonwheels> same here - near 4am :)
[08:51] <foxbuntu> aniiena, change the tuner to DVB
[08:51] <aniiena> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071021
[08:51] <aniiena> ok
[08:51] <Sharkonwheels> you folks are running XFS? I thot you weren't supposed to use a journaling fs for recording?
[08:52] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, XFS is much faster than ext3 is the reason behind it
[08:52] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, its not ideal for the frag factor
[08:52] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: I really appreciate your help, but it is getting quite late here and I need to go to bed, so I think that I will change it back to how it was and have it going again.
[08:53] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, but I am looking at doing a test deploy of ext4 soon
[08:53] <Sharkonwheels> one of the docs mentioned corruption using a journaling fs, so i used ext3 for the OS, ext2 for the recording
[08:53] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, well I was going to paste the section
[08:53] <aniiena> could not get card info for card #0 Subtyp
[08:53] <Sharkonwheels> anyone you know doing SATA2 RAID5? Wonder what the write penalties are?
[08:53] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, but if your going to be, catch me again later if you are still having issues
[08:54] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: Do you think I can just add a "ServerLayout" section?
[08:54] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, depends on your controlers
[08:54] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, yup
[08:54] <Luna-Tick> Okay - I'll hang in there for another try :)
[08:54] <Luna-Tick> Thanks
[08:54] <Sharkonwheels> erm, was looking at the Intel ICH10R onboard an MSI P45 Neo3-FR
[08:55] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m41cb5832
[08:55] <Sharkonwheels> mainboard linkage:  http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=P45_Neo3-FR&class=mb
[08:56] <foxbuntu> obviously again, make sure the screen name is the same as what is in your xorg
[08:56] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, its consumer, essentialy is could be considerable depending on your i/o utilization
[08:56] <Sharkonwheels> was thinking of doing 4 or 5 500GB drives for a 1.5TB setup (1 parity, or 1 parity+1 online spare)
[08:57] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: Thanks - should I add those options above, or try without?
[08:57] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, in my Day job, I have seen as much as 10-15% disk speed loss just to the controller firmware in the enterprise class of hardware
[08:58] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, at the top of the xorg should be fine
[08:58] <Luna-Tick> Yeah, sorry, I mean shall I add those overlay and XAA options to the pastebinned section
[08:58] <foxbuntu> no
[08:58] <Sharkonwheels> yeah, I know - see that all day long at work (Sun boxes, and HP Dl380 G3/G4's) and those are Ultra 320SCSI RAIDS, or SAS!
[08:59] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, the options I sent before go in the Device section
[08:59] <Luna-Tick> Oh... crap.
[08:59] <Luna-Tick> Sorry
[08:59] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, ah yes, DL380 G4's
[09:00] <Sharkonwheels> but still, not bad - figger most we need is what? 3MBps per recording channel? If even? I'm getting 2.2GB per hour recording on this box through the HVR-1600's
[09:00] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I am a consultant and Deal with large banking/insurance clients on that hardware
[09:00] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, yea, you wont bottle neck with that
[09:00] <Sharkonwheels> yep - decent enough boxes (we use them on our ships) I have G2's in place for over 5 years now!
[09:00] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I put in the note since I have 11 tuners and hammer my disks
[09:01] <Sharkonwheels> I remember starting with the P3 based 1850R's - now THOSE were junk - faulty cooling design, hence the name change to DL380 :)
[09:01] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, oh, I dont let hardware get that old
[09:01] <foxbuntu> bad things happen when you do
[09:02] <Sharkonwheels> way the economy is, no choice - I'd have to replace, let's see, about 23 servers times 11 ships, average of about $7K per server...
[09:02] <foxbuntu> with my clients all the servers have 3 year life cycles
[09:02] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: Done
[09:02] <Luna-Tick> Shall I reboot
[09:02] <Sharkonwheels> we've starting migrating to VMware ESXi and Sun boxes
[09:02] <Luna-Tick> ?
[09:02] <Luna-Tick> Or restart X?
[09:02] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, restart X
[09:02] <Sharkonwheels> The Sun's really s*U*ck!
[09:03] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, yes, I have not had to deal with them in a long time (thank god)
[09:03] <Luna-Tick> Same problem
[09:03] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, well, craps
[09:03] <Sharkonwheels> we have a setup that's, what, november timeframe? like 90-120 days old? 3 replacements so far...
[09:03] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, try this:
[09:03] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, install the ati catalyst control centre
[09:04] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, let me find the package name
[09:04] <Sharkonwheels> heh - get this: we hav eone ship (won't be in the fleet much longer) which still has the *BEIGE* Proliants!
[09:04] <foxbuntu> actually
[09:04] <Sharkonwheels> :o
[09:04] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, sudo aticonfig
[09:04] <foxbuntu> it will tell you what to install
[09:04] <Sharkonwheels> (as an aside, I got frustrated with the dang ATI drivers, and went out and bought an AGP Nvidia card. Been rocking since)
[09:04] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, now those were rock solid machines
[09:04] <aniiena> how do I setup my remote?
[09:05] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, takes me back to the days of being a Netware admin
[09:05] <foxbuntu> aniiena, what remote?
[09:05] <Sharkonwheels> yep - I started on 2.0a
[09:05] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: Thank you so much for all of your help, but I really have to get to bed.  I would really appreciate it if you could add the extra instructions to the LP answer, though.  I will save this xorg.conf as something else so I can go back to it
[09:05] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, my first shop was 3.0 i think
[09:05] <Sharkonwheels> then 2.10, 2.12, then all the crazyness started - SFT, advanced, sheesh!
[09:06] <Sharkonwheels> 3.10/3.11/3.12 made it simple!
[09:06] <aniiena> doesn't have a product # on it
[09:06] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, sounds good, catch me back in here sometime
[09:06] <Sharkonwheels> brb
[09:06] <foxbuntu> aniiena, where did you get the remote? did it come with the tuner?
[09:06] <aniiena> yes
[09:06] <foxbuntu> prob an MCE remote then
[09:07] <foxbuntu> does the receiver for it use USB or plug into the card?
[09:07] <aniiena> plug into the card
[09:07] <foxbuntu> ok...
[09:07] <foxbuntu> one sec
[09:10] <foxbuntu> aniiena, hmm, im finding that there are issues with that style IR receiver because the drivers for the card dont implement it yet
[09:10] <aniiena> hum
[09:11] <aniiena> so my card isn't supported yet?
[09:11] <foxbuntu> aniiena, you might need to get a different receiver/remote or do some looking around
[09:11] <foxbuntu> aniiena, its supported, the IR on it just isnt quite ready yet
[09:11] <aniiena> ok well
[09:11] <aniiena> I have another remote
[09:11] <foxbuntu> aniiena, the HVR series cards are all very new to the game and support is there but still new
[09:12] <aniiena> it is a MCE Remote and Reciever
[09:12] <foxbuntu> thre you go
[09:12] <foxbuntu> those work 100%
[09:12] <foxbuntu> plug it in and I will tell you the easy way to set it up
[09:14] <Luna-Tick> foxbuntu: All is back to how it was (that's a relief), so the fiancee will not be too angry with me tomorrow ;).
[09:14] <foxbuntu> lol
[09:14] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, being married, I know exactly that problem
[09:14] <Luna-Tick> Thanks again for all of your help - people like you make a real difference to products like this
[09:14] <Sharkonwheels> I have a 1600, and it was braind0dead to install. PVR-x50 for analog side, DVB for HD side
[09:15] <foxbuntu> Luna-Tick, thanks, catch you later
[09:15] <Luna-Tick> I hope so - Thanks
[09:15] <aniiena> ok it's plugged in
[09:15] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, yeah, however there are several versions of the 1600 for some reason
[09:15] <Sharkonwheels> when reconfiguring, though, I have to manually enter the device names. When I select <PVR-x50> it says not detected
[09:15] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, do you have the QAM one?
[09:15] <Sharkonwheels> yep - xx041
[09:16] <Sharkonwheels> seems it started when I popped in 4 cards :)
[09:16] <Sharkonwheels> before, it was the 1 1600, and 1 Pinnacle PCTV (what a piece of junque)
[09:16] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, hmm intresting, I cant get any signal on the QAM side of mine
[09:16] <Sharkonwheels> me neither :)
[09:16] <foxbuntu> do you get ATSC from it
[09:16] <foxbuntu> ?
[09:17] <Sharkonwheels> I had a lock a few days ago, and a few channels showed up in the scan, but I ran out of ports on the CATV splitter, so just wired up all the analog ports.
[09:17] <foxbuntu> aniiena, open up Mythbuntu Control Centre
[09:17] <Sharkonwheels> the PCTV shares the connector, but ain;t got HD on that one working yet, either. SUPPOSEDLY it has a better HD tuner/scanner
[09:18] <aniiena> ok it's open
[09:18] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, isnt the ATSC/NTSC side of the card the same RG6 input?
[09:18] <Sharkonwheels> fox: I get no lock - tried cable/cable high with 8vsb (ATSC), QAM-64, 128, & 256 - got nada
[09:18] <foxbuntu> aniiena, select ir devices
[09:18] <aniiena> done
[09:18] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, same here, its driving me nutz
[09:19] <Sharkonwheels> fox: HVR-1600's have 1 F connector for NTSC, 1 for HD. wiring NIGHTMARE!
[09:19] <aniiena> windows media center remotes?
[09:19] <foxbuntu> aniiena, enable the top one, then select the Windows MCE remote (new one)
[09:19] <foxbuntu> make sure Generate Dynamic Maps is checked
[09:19] <Sharkonwheels> the PCTV has 1 F-conn shared, but the fact it has no MPEG2 onboard absolutely SUCKS! was NOT worth the $10 savings :)
[09:19] <Sharkonwheels> I got the HVR's new at Circuit City for $50
[09:20] <aniiena> now when I plug in a USB memory stick
[09:20] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, which is the HD?
[09:20] <Sharkonwheels> they both support HD
[09:20] <aniiena> will mythbuntu detect it, pull media from it and place that media on the appropriate directories?
[09:20] <Sharkonwheels> or u mean which connector?
[09:20] <foxbuntu> aniiena, nope
[09:20] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, which connector
[09:20] <Sharkonwheels> top one - it's labelled "TV" I think
[09:20] <foxbuntu> there is FM, Ant, TV
[09:21] <foxbuntu> ok
[09:21] <Sharkonwheels> should be the top connector - think it sticks out a little more
[09:21] <Sharkonwheels> lemme check, brb
[09:21] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, thats the bottom F conn
[09:21] <aniiena> what is the default directory for videos?
[09:21] <Sharkonwheels> sorry - BOTTOM F connector is HD.
[09:21] <Sharkonwheels> I read wrong/thought wrong. Top is Analog NTSC
[09:21] <foxbuntu> aniiena, uh, /var/lib/mythtv/videos/
[09:22] <foxbuntu> top as in the one below FM?
[09:23] <Sharkonwheels> erm, u lost me - HVR-1600's don't have FM
[09:23] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, anyways, ATSC is Ant or TV?
[09:23] <foxbuntu> Shadow__X, mine does
[09:23] <foxbuntu> er
[09:23] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels,
[09:23] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, like i said, several versions
[09:23] <Sharkonwheels> mine's model 1199, with remote
[09:24] <foxbuntu> nope, I have an OEM model
[09:24] <foxbuntu> er
[09:24] <foxbuntu> retail I mean
[09:24] <Sharkonwheels> yep - mine's a retail from CCity
[09:24] <foxbuntu> mine is through my distributor
[09:24] <Sharkonwheels> mine is labelled "TV" for the NTSC F connector, and "ATSC" for the HD connector
[09:25] <Sharkonwheels> below that is the SVideo
[09:25] <foxbuntu> yup
[09:25] <Sharkonwheels> then I think a sound-in jack, then the IR-Blaster jack
[09:25] <foxbuntu> i have one more f connector for FM
[09:26] <Sharkonwheels> the PCTV has FM, which isn't even connected anyways, so I won't miss the FM. Can MythTV do anything with the FM yet?
[09:26] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, uh, idk, (who cares?)
[09:27] <foxbuntu> ;)
[09:27] <Sharkonwheels> I know - I either listen to CD's, or to the AM whackos or AM sports anyways :)
[09:27] <Sharkonwheels> Aiiena get the PVR working?
[09:28] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, well I was more refering to the support of shoutcast
[09:28] <Sharkonwheels> seriously, I barely have enough time to even watch what I record!!
[09:28] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I know that feeling
[09:29] <Sharkonwheels> I finally watched a couple things I recorded on line 2/17!
[09:29] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, its freaking 3:39A am I sitting here and working on my taxes and this, and my day job
[09:30] <Sharkonwheels> taxes? oh HECK no - I stopped that. I use an accountant/former client ( no time for consulting any more)
[09:30] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, oh I have to get them preped for the accountant
[09:30] <Sharkonwheels> oh, the FUN part you mean :)
[09:30] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I own a small business (very small) and that is the crap I am dealing with
[09:31] <Sharkonwheels> the part where you barge into the accountants office with a grocery bag full of receipts
[09:31] <Sharkonwheels> and they look at you like you have 3 eyes
[09:31] <foxbuntu> yeah, something like that
[09:31] <foxbuntu> guy charges me a ton but always gets me lots of money back
[09:32] <aniiena> so I put a movie in /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[09:32] <aniiena> it doesn't show up in mythtv frontend
[09:32] <Sharkonwheels> is it a supported format?
[09:32] <aniiena> .avi?
[09:32] <Sharkonwheels> fox: do you have to do the <scan> function for it to update the db or something?
[09:33] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, yes
[09:33] <foxbuntu> Utils / Setup > Video Manger
[09:33] <foxbuntu> in the mythtv menus
[09:34] <Sharkonwheels> main project today, was replacing the 7000RPM 60mm CPU fan - dang computer in the living room sounded like a DC-10
[09:34] <aniiena> ok there is goes
[09:35] <aniiena> I have to do Setup > Video Manager each time I add content?
[09:35] <foxbuntu> aniiena, yes
[09:35] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, meh, I have an HP LT6000 sitting in my basement as a build server
[09:36] <aniiena> stop/pause aren't working
[09:36] <foxbuntu> aniiena, in the video you added?
[09:36] <aniiena> oh nevermind
[09:36] <aniiena> I was using the hauppage remote
[09:36] <aniiena> lol
[09:36] <foxbuntu> lol
[09:37] <Sharkonwheels> I now have like 3 of those as spares in the garage!
[09:37] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, lol, they are loud bastards
[09:37] <Sharkonwheels> fox: any news on when the 2250's will have a driver? Those should rock. dual NTSC/ATSC, only 1 F connector, in 2 PCIe x1 slot
[09:38] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, i havent heard anything on it
[09:38] <Sharkonwheels> fox: you have NO idea! This is on an old Athlon XP 2500+ 333FSB I've been running at 425FSB for a while
[09:38] <Sharkonwheels> the cooler is the Cooler Master HHC-001 - their very first heat pipe. that fan is THE loudest fan I have EVER heard in a PC case!
[09:38] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, i used to do that, then I started by business and have new hardware all over
[09:39] <Sharkonwheels> all the reviews said it - when it was in my home office (given up to my kids years ago) it was fine, and cool. In the living room, dang it was annoying!
[09:39] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I have like 7-8k in MythTV dedicated hardware atm
[09:40] <Sharkonwheels> dang. I ain't even got $7-8 HUNDRED!
[09:40] <Sharkonwheels> quick MythTV arch. question.
[09:40] <foxbuntu> sure
[09:40] <Sharkonwheels> how's the client/server setup work? NFS/SAMBA? Or streaming front end?
[09:40] <Sharkonwheels> what kinda' bandwidth needed between clients and the back-end?
[09:41] <foxbuntu> streaming to the frontend
[09:41] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, anything will do until you get into h.264 mp4
[09:41] <aniiena> alright
[09:41] <aniiena> remote is working, I will deal with the capture card/tv tuner tomorrow
[09:41] <Sharkonwheels> I have MPG's coming out of the HVR-1600's
[09:41] <aniiena> thanks for the help
[09:41] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, then you should look at gig-e for everything if you plan to be pushing more than one stream
[09:42] <foxbuntu> aniiena, gl, gn
[09:42] <Sharkonwheels> aiiena: what's not working on the cad?
[09:42] <Sharkonwheels> er, card?
[09:42] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, its not a 150, its a HVR-1250
[09:42] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, they are kind of special case
[09:42] <Sharkonwheels> that the PCIe one?
[09:43] <foxbuntu> yeah
[09:43] <foxbuntu> I think so
[09:43] <foxbuntu> that and the 1800/2250
[09:44] <Sharkonwheels> the 2250 will be nice when drivers are done. dual HD/Analog tuners, 1 F-conn, in a PCIe X1 slot
[09:44] <foxbuntu> indeed
[09:44] <Sharkonwheels> man, but that Pinnacle PCTV was SUCH as waste of $$
[09:44] <foxbuntu> and it should support multirec too
[09:44] <aniiena> yeah it's the PCI express one
[09:45] <aniiena> I had a 150 spec'ed out, but I didn't know if it would fit into my case
[09:45] <Sharkonwheels> I didn't know at the time, rushed in there and bought blind, but knew they were both supported, just didn't realize the Hauppauge was SO much better with the MPEG2
[09:45] <foxbuntu> yes
[09:45] <foxbuntu> i have stuck to their cards for a long time
[09:46] <Sharkonwheels> the wiki doesn't mention difficulties, at least not with after-2.6.24 kernels...
[09:46] <foxbuntu> with what?
[09:46] <Sharkonwheels> my mythbuntu 8.10 came with 2.6.27-7
[09:46] <Sharkonwheels> with the 1250's
[09:47] <Sharkonwheels> wikie entry, the person said "I purchased this card, dropped it into my MythDora5 box running 2.6.25, and was capturing HD television within Myth from a pair of rabbit ears, with configuration taking 20 minutes."
[09:48] <Sharkonwheels> course, no NTSC yet, right?
[09:48] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, ah, well much has changed then
[09:48] <foxbuntu> right
[09:49] <Sharkonwheels> one reason I'm glad I at least used Opera Mini on my BBerry while at CCity picking cards.
[09:49] <Sharkonwheels> I didn't realize that the HVR's had onboard MPEG2, which the PCTV's lacked, or the HUGE improvement!
[09:49] <Sharkonwheels> watching live TV on the PCTV, it skips evne when I use the remote to change volume!
[09:50] <Sharkonwheels> I have a REALLY old PCI WinTV, we're talking probably 1997-1998. This will not have PCI-passthrough audio right?
[09:50] <Sharkonwheels> I vaguely remember looping it into my sound-card line-in jack, I think...
[09:51] <Sharkonwheels> I never got the audio working, so i just went out and got the (1) HVR and (1) PCTV on Sunday.
[09:51] <Sharkonwheels> Then made a return trip Tuesday when I was disappointed in the PCTV and got (3) more HVR's
[09:52] <foxbuntu> ah
[09:52] <foxbuntu> I think I might need to start expiring shows
[09:52] <foxbuntu> crap
[09:52] <foxbuntu> I hadnt looked at storage for abit
[09:52] <Sharkonwheels> brb
[09:58] <Sharkonwheels> going back to the C/S arch.... I can't wire my house, as I don't have attic space/drop ceilings, so I'v ebasically been WiFi in here since 1998
[09:58] <Sharkonwheels> my first router/ap was a linksys for $300 - that's how far back it goes!
[09:59] <Sharkonwheels> is WiFi-N fast enough?
[10:00] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, eh... Wireless-N is a can of worms atm
[10:00] <Sharkonwheels> what about the turbo-g's ?
[10:01] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, there are 100M- FD adapters for Eth-to-Electrical now
[10:01] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, actually one of our devs uses them
[10:02] <Sharkonwheels> will that work jumping circuits through the fusebox?
[10:02] <Sharkonwheels> or gotta be on same circuit?
[10:03] <foxbuntu> http://www.netgear.com/Solutions/HomeNetworking/PowerlineNetworking.aspx
[10:03] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, doesnt matter it just turns all the elec. into network
[10:04] <Sharkonwheels> cool - checking it out now on newegg...
[10:04] <Sharkonwheels> I was thinking of playing with a box at work...
[10:04] <foxbuntu> watch the specs on them
[10:04] <foxbuntu> many are not 100M yet
[10:05] <Sharkonwheels> I have a DL380G4 4G RAM 2x Xeon 3.4, 6 x 146GB with 14 more 146G drives in an MSA500
[10:05] <foxbuntu> would make a nice BE server
[10:05] <Sharkonwheels> does Linux support the MSA500 and it's U320 controllers? does it support the multipathed setup?
[10:05] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, prob in the server kernel
[10:06] <Sharkonwheels> we used it for a Win2003/SQL Server cluster - it got replaced by one of the ESXi setups
[10:06] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, but you dont want to do server kernel with myth
[10:06] <Sharkonwheels> what's BE?
[10:06] <foxbuntu> backend
[10:06] <Sharkonwheels> ah
[10:06] <Sharkonwheels> duh!
[10:06] <Sharkonwheels> prob is, there's what? 2PCI slots? 1 used by the storage adapter?
[10:07] <Sharkonwheels> u remember the old-school HP LXe Pro's? the Dual PPro HUGE rolling boxes?
[10:07] <foxbuntu> iirc, yes
[10:07] <foxbuntu> nope
[10:07] <Sharkonwheels> had like 200 PCI slots :)
[10:07] <Sharkonwheels> and hot-swap!
[10:08] <foxbuntu> I started as a netware admin, nothing in netware needed that kind of hardware back then
[10:08] <Sharkonwheels> When I was at royal caribbean in the 90's, we deployed a ton of those on NT running Oracle 8g
[10:08] <Sharkonwheels> yeah - I still think netware is the fastest fileserver in the biz
[10:08] <Sharkonwheels> You ever get into the Unixware side?
[10:09] <foxbuntu> everyone using netware was using the proliant servers (it seemed anyways!)
[10:09] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, only in the last 5 years or so
[10:10] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I really am the jack of all trades, its disgusting
[10:11] <Sharkonwheels> yeah - I know the feeling.
[10:11] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, I do consulting in: security, infrastructure, large scale deployments, and then I have special skills like scripting and custom software authoring
[10:11] <foxbuntu> I do hardware and software essentially sums it up
[10:12] <Sharkonwheels> I've worked on everything from Linux, to FreeBSD, to BSDi, to SunOS and SOlaris, to Irix Non-Stop UX, HP-UX, little zOS/zVM/MVS
[10:12] <Sharkonwheels> makes us agile, though
[10:12] <foxbuntu> right now I am on a project writing a piece of software to Automate server and workstation management
[10:12] <foxbuntu> its a .Net 3.5 + AJAX web app
[10:13] <Sharkonwheels> scripting.... (reading back) hmm...what cards are you using? the HVR's?
[10:13] <foxbuntu> and I do coding for this project (mostly python, a little perl here and there)
[10:14] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, well my primary cards are PVR-150s right now, along with the HDHR and waiting for .22 to go live to bring my HD-PVR into the mix in my production system
[10:14] <Sharkonwheels> do the PVR-150's have the same issue as my HVR-1600's? First analog access is garbled after booting up?
[10:15] <foxbuntu> no
[10:15] <Sharkonwheels> first access is garbled (either skipping, no audio, or both) and there's a script here:
[10:15] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, there is a change for the mythtv-backend script that will fix that, its related to having multiple HVR cards
[10:16] <Sharkonwheels> I tried the script on the wiki page, but I can;t get it to actually work.
[10:17] <Sharkonwheels> I made another .sh scrip to call the main script 3 times, but 'tis ain't working...
[10:17] <Sharkonwheels> other issue I've been fighting, is sometimes on bootup, the order in which the cards are detected changes.
[10:18] <Sharkonwheels> before, the PCTV was video0, and the HVR's were video1-video3
[10:18] <Sharkonwheels> this last time I booted up, the HVR's were video0-video2, and the PCTV was video3!
[10:18] <Sharkonwheels> 'course, that just totally throws off the BE!
[10:19] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, you need to create a udev rule to handle it
[10:19] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, there is info out there on that too
[10:19] <foxbuntu> for that exact case
[10:20] <Sharkonwheels> what's a udev rule?
[10:21] <foxbuntu> its a rule that tells the kernel how to create the /dev nodes for devices
[10:21] <foxbuntu> because /dev/video0 is really a link to another hardware device in the kernel
[10:21] <foxbuntu> its just a human friend device node
[10:21] <foxbuntu> friendly
[10:22]  * Sharkonwheels has more homework to do, apparently :0
[10:23] <foxbuntu> Sharkonwheels, yeah, the kernel is a wonderful world of pure confusion at first
[10:45] <foxbuntu> well time for me to grab some b-fast
[10:46] <foxbuntu> catch you later Sharkonwheels
[11:12] <Sharkonwheels> l8r - crashing now :)
[16:39] <ipwnu> I am currently running knoppmyth and am considering changing to mythbuntu.  What is the best way to transition my database over so I don't lose all of my recordings / recording history etc.
[17:02] <rcopelan> hello, I installed Mythbuntu but am having probelms getting the audio from the PVR250 card to recordings or liveTV.  It works from the card audio out but is out of sync for LiveTV.   Routing via an external cable doesn't work.  Any ideas on where I need to look for a solution?
[20:35] <mib_3zz6qm> hi, I have a problem with mythbuntu 8.10 on an eee box where the screen goes dark (or white as I just noticed) after a while of playing video or live tv
[20:35] <mib_3zz6qm> I've posted to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1076791
[20:35] <mib_3zz6qm> and I've put my logs in the pastebin here http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f12882a12
[20:36] <mib_3zz6qm> thanks for having a look
[20:45] <gizmobay> I'm using mythvodka and for some reason the entries in the db don't match the hulu.xml file. Does anyone know how I can clear out the db entries so I can retry?
[22:12] <Sharkonwheels> anyway to find out AFTER the fact, which tuner recorder which program? I have some recordings with "crackling" in the audio
[23:17] <Chaorain> Does anyone know if it possible to use the Samsung universal remote with MythTV?
[23:29] <Chaorain> !help remotes
[23:29] <Zinn> !help remotes For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[23:30] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, only if it can code learn or is ir compatible with your receiver
[23:30] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, in all likelihood, no
[23:31] <Chaorain> it has a programable code index but where do I find a pc adapter?
[23:31] <foxbuntu> a pc adapter for what?
[23:31] <Chaorain> the remote
[23:31] <foxbuntu> you mean the receiver?
[23:31] <Chaorain> for the IR signals
[23:31] <Chaorain> yes
[23:31] <foxbuntu> yes
[23:32] <foxbuntu> well thats more difficult than it would seem, usually the receiver and remote are paired up
[23:33] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, your best option is to buy an WIndows MCE remote
[23:33] <Chaorain> hm
[23:33] <Chaorain> rather just keep my current remote
[23:33] <Chaorain> thanks for the advice
[23:33] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, then if you want a universal, go with something that can learn/emulate those codes (i.e. Logitech harmony)
[23:34] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, you should be able to find a remote with the ir receiver for ~$30
[23:35] <Chaorain> Samsung IR reciver is under Mythbuntu control center remotes
[23:36] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, yea, its supported, but you need a specific model
[23:36] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, you are likely to spend as much on that as an MCE remote combo, and the MCE has better support
[23:37] <Chaorain> all I need it for is my tv/mythbuntu
[23:38] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, let me put it this way, then you make your own informed decision:
[23:38] <Chaorain> k
[23:39] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, 1) Find Samsung IR Receiver supported by Lirc and configure that to work with Mythbuntu 2) Buy MCE remote and IR Receiver (combo) which has better support and is known to work better than any other remote
[23:40] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, your issue is not the specific remote, its the IR Receiver
[23:40] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, the reason for buying the MCE remote is due to gaining the IR Receiver packaged with it
[23:41] <Chaorain> any other reason for the MCE remote? I already have the Samsung one. Came with the TV.
[23:42] <foxbuntu> what do you mean, any other reason?
[23:43] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, what dont you understand about what I have told you?
[23:43] <Chaorain> nevermind I get it
[23:43] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, if you want to stick with the Samsung remote then go find the Samsung USB IR Receiver
[23:44] <Chaorain> hard to find
[23:44] <foxbuntu> exactly
[23:44] <Chaorain> ah
[23:44] <foxbuntu> MCE Remote with working IR Receiver and Configuration - Easy to find
[23:44] <Chaorain> oh MCE is easy to set up I take it
[23:45] <foxbuntu> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&hs=wwi&q=mce+remote&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=buOhSe-OOYTUMc_f3MQL&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
[23:45] <foxbuntu> Chaorain, yes, I would say its the most common remote
[23:46] <Chaorain> thanks for all the help