[03:12] <isaacsm> ~/help
[04:32] <markhuk> Hi all :)
[04:32] <markhuk> Is it a bad thing that i am attempting to set up a fully functioning web server on a desktop distro?
[04:34] <markhuk> everyone asleep today?
[04:34] <markhuk> :)
[04:37] <markhuk> hello?
[04:38] <markhuk> *echo* hello
[04:38] <markhuk> haha
[04:45] <rcscomp> I have a server install I need to get the kernel source for.  I can't do this using the network b/c my NIC doesn't work b/c I need to compile a driver.  How do I get the kernel source?
[04:46] <rcscomp> I have the install CD available, but don't see a package for it.
[06:03] <genii> Having some issue trying to bond 3 ppp connections. Do I have to enslave the eth adapters first and issue some pre-up directives like pon eth1 ;pon eth2 ;pon eth3      or so?
[06:03] <genii> (where each pon creates a pppX)
[06:24] <genii> Well, that didn't work :)
[13:02] <chrisadams> hi guys, are there any hoops you need to jump through when creating user accounts with ssh access with ubuntu server?
[13:02] <chrisadams> I'm trying to create accounts with: useradd test --pasword test
[13:02] <chrisadams> when then trying to log in with ssh using these credentials
[13:04] <chrisadams> I've also tried listing them the AllowUsers line in a sshd_config file as well, with no luck
[13:04] <chrisadams> is there something really obvious I'm missing here?
[13:13] <genii> Gave up on aggregating pppoe connections directly with modem in bridged mode. Opted instead for router mode then just aggregated the ethX ifaces. Too bad it's so problemmatic for the other way though.
[13:48] <AdamDV> Hello, I need some help setting up a sudoers group
[13:48] <AdamDV> I've got this:  %staff-normal ALL=(ALL): /bin/mkdir, /bin/cp, /bin/mv
[13:48] <AdamDV> But it dosen't work, any ideas?
[14:08] <AdamDV> ANyone?
[14:09] <ivoks> NOone
[14:09] <AdamDV> (08:48:28 AM) AdamDV: Hello, I need some help setting up a sudoers group
[14:09] <AdamDV> (08:48:50 AM) AdamDV: I've got this:  %staff-normal ALL=(ALL): /bin/mkdir, /bin/cp, /bin/mv
[14:09] <AdamDV> (08:48:59 AM) AdamDV: But it dosen't work, any ideas?
[14:13] <ivoks> how did you edit /etc/sudoers?
[14:17] <AdamDV> nano
[14:17] <AdamDV> Its worked before.
[14:18] <ivoks> there's a reason why we have visudo
[14:18] <ivoks> s/we/unix/
[14:18] <AdamDV> Yes, theres also a reason i used nano.
[14:18] <AdamDV> :D
[14:18] <ivoks> you don't know vi?
[14:19] <ivoks> EDITOR="nano" visudo
[14:20] <yann2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/332882  <- does that make sense?
[14:21] <ivoks> yann2: no
[14:22] <yann2> ivoks > explain :) I must misunderstand the way ubuntu server is being released
[14:22] <ivoks> yann2: i don't see what's different than current release cycle, except proposal to move LTS from 2 to 1 year
[14:22] <yann2> read again...
[14:22] <yann2> I propose to just skip one release out of two
[14:23] <yann2> like make just a release per year
[14:23] <yann2> and keep one LTS every two years
[14:23] <yann2> eventually slightly increasing support (18->24months) - for non LTS
[14:24] <AdamDV> No.
[14:25] <yann2> AdamDV > why? you think a 6 months schedule is needed for server?
[14:26]  * Nafallo looks
[14:26] <yann2> please comment on the bug - from the people I know very few use non LTS on servers, so I thought if we skipped some of these, we could increase the quality
[14:26] <AdamDV> yann2: Yes.
[14:26] <AdamDV> I like new security fixes, patches, etc.
[14:26] <ScottK> yann2: It would actually take more work to NOT release Ubuntu Server on a 6 month schedule because that's the schedule used by the other Ubuntu variants.
[14:27] <ScottK> So no, I don't think it would help at all.
[14:27] <yann2> mh :(
[14:27] <AdamDV> yann2: I run 3 corporate servers, and I use intrepid on ALL of them.
[14:27] <mark> we (wikimedia) use non-LTS servers as well, and actually selected ubuntu for its quick release cycle
[14:28] <yann2> mark > you upgrade the servers every 6 months?
[14:28] <mark> not all of them
[14:28] <ivoks> i use mostly LTS for servers that don't have any feature requests
[14:28] <mark> but some of them, which need up to date packages
[14:28] <Nafallo> yann2: I use intrepid on my host to get the latest fixes for KVM/libvirt/whatever
[14:28] <mark> so we use LTS on servers that don't
[14:28] <yann2> I have quite some servers, and (to me) it sounds painful to upgrade so regularly
[14:28] <ivoks> but for some i use latest (even jaunty on one :)
[14:28] <Nafallo> hardy in the guests
[14:28] <mark> also, the support for non-LTS releases is longer than 6 months :)
[14:29] <ivoks> yann2: bottom line, your suggestion did't get approval ;)
[14:29] <yann2> Nafallo > if they are fixes they should be in hardy too :P
[14:29] <mark> we mostly use non-LTS on servers where the whole deployment is automated
[14:29] <ivoks> yann2: still, nice try
[14:29] <yann2> ivoks > yeah I kind of understood that :)
[14:29] <mark> so "upgrading" is a matter of a mostly automated reinstall
[14:30] <yann2> ivoks > to be fair it comes (mostly) from what happened on ubuntu-eu... the number of important bugs in hardy has been seriously impacting the quality of the service
[14:30] <yann2> (and still is)
[14:31] <mark> I agree that hardy could use some more love
[14:31] <ivoks> that's true
[14:31] <yann2> so this was just an attempt to understand how we could improve that for 10.4
[14:31] <ivoks> we have improve LTS support
[14:31] <ivoks> s/have/have to/
[14:31] <mark> and a bit too often the ubuntu support consists just of "fixed in the next release"
[14:31] <ivoks> yann2: which bugs are those?
[14:31] <yann2> well maybe not the support, but the testing before release?
[14:31] <mark> which is next to useless ;)
[14:31] <ivoks> mark: i agree
[14:32] <yann2> ivoks > bah, long list. apache, python, apache modules, and kernel issues - and then the universe ones :)
[14:32] <ivoks> we should have a rule that LTS bugs can't get 'fixed in LTS+1' status
[14:33] <yann2> I didnt know there was such status :D
[14:33] <ivoks> unless it's a 'feature bug'
[14:34] <ivoks> yann2: testing is really dificult; we can't test every situation
[14:34] <ivoks> yann2: we need more people to get involved for bigger scale
[14:34] <mark> just off the top of your heads, is this a known bug btw?
[14:34] <mark> [23781.151444] Call Trace:
[14:34] <mark> [23781.151446]  <IRQ>  [<ffffffff8042aafe>] tcp_enter_frto+0x27e/0x290
[14:34] <mark> [23781.151467]  [<ffffffff80431027>] tcp_write_timer+0x387/0x790
[14:34] <mark> [23781.151471]  [<ffffffff8020ef70>] do_IRQ+0x80/0x100
[14:35] <mark> (kernel trace)
[14:35] <ivoks> never seen that
[14:35] <mark> I have a hundred servers doing that over and over
[14:35] <mark> [23781.151435] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/net/ipv4/tcp_input.c:1675 tcp_enter_frto()
[14:35] <mark> [23781.151442] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.24-22-server #1
[14:36] <mark> I'll file a bug about it soon then
[14:36] <yann2> ivoks > i am managing like 50-70 servers (very lonely sometimes :P) - just trying to reduce my workload as much as possible :)
[14:36] <yann2> they use all different packages nearly so I am likely to be hit by pretty much any bug in main :P
[14:36] <ivoks> yann2: i have over 100, so i feel your pain :)
[14:36] <yann2> but you stay on hardy for the vms right
[14:37] <ivoks> for most of the servers, yes
[14:37] <yann2> ivoks > very interested to know how you manage security patches if you have that many :)
[14:37] <ivoks> those are file/mail servers
[14:37] <mark> hardy seems to have especially bad behaviour when it's under memory pressure
[14:37] <Nafallo> yann2: new features as well. and new upstream versions etc...
[14:41] <yann2> fair enough anyway :) I guess I'll wait for 10.04.1 :P
[14:42] <yann2> whoups.
[14:47] <ivoks> yann2: you could also help us make LTS better
[14:47] <ivoks> yann2: do some testing
[14:48] <ivoks> yann2: after all, i'm sure you want it to be as good as possible
[14:49] <yann2> ivoks > believe me I do a lot ;)
[14:49] <yann2> ivoks > any news on the fastcgi front btw?
[14:49] <ivoks> yann2: great
[14:49] <yann2> what's the plan for php6?
[14:52] <ivoks> i don't have time to fully implement faster PHP stack for jaunty
[14:52] <ivoks> and we are in FF
[14:52] <ivoks> but that could be something to do for koala
[14:52] <yann2> sorry I meant for the next LTS, what you were looking at :)
[14:53] <ivoks> mission one: complete mail stack for koala
[14:54] <ivoks> mission two: acl by default for koala
[14:54] <ivoks> everything else is bonus :)
[14:54] <ivoks> and i want to help on DIT, so...
[14:54] <ivoks> if there would be time for php, great :)
[14:54] <ivoks> anyway, yann2, you are welcome to submit any patch
[14:54] <ivoks> :)
[14:54] <ivoks> or an idea
[14:55] <yann2> I guess I am better to put the finger on a problem than to solve it :(
[14:55] <ivoks> yann2: that's great too
[14:56] <ivoks> yann2: best companies in the world are the best just cause they look at their customers fingers
[14:56] <ivoks> and listen to their problems
[14:56] <yann2> canonical pretty good at that ;)
[14:56] <ivoks> wouldn't know; i don't work for canonical :)
[14:57] <yann2> some canonical guys coming to oxford on friday to see how we do... not many software vendors do that for us :P
[14:57] <ivoks> but yes, brainstorm is perfect example of communication between users and solution provider
[14:57] <yann2> usually they come *before* to sell us their product, and then we never see them again ^^
[15:00] <yann2> ivoks > sorry last question: you are working on the apache+php stack in ubuntu?
[15:00] <ivoks> yann2: no, but i did have some ideas how to improve it
[15:01] <yann2> written down somewhere?
[15:01] <ivoks> yann2: atm, apache+php isn't of big intrest for me and my company, so i'm not pushing anything yet :D
[15:01] <yann2> and who do you work for? ;)
[15:01] <ivoks> yann2: my self :D
[15:02] <yann2> :)
[15:02] <yann2> funny the first ping you find when searching ivoks on google :)
[15:02] <yann2> s/ping/pic
[15:03] <yann2> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/00202.jpg that's you ? :P
[15:03] <ivoks> lol
[15:04] <ivoks> i have to remove that one :D
[16:30] <arhitip> Äîáðûé âå÷åð, à êòî íèáóäü ìîæåò ìíå ïîìî÷ ?
[16:49] <arhitip> Ó ìåíÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ñåòåâîé êàðòî÷êîé, óñòàíîâèë ubuntu-8.10-server-i386, íà÷àë íàñòðàèâàòü ñåòü, ñäåëàë êîíôèãóðàöèþ ôàèëa /etc/network/intarfces ïîñòàâèë ñòàòèêó, ïåðåçàãðóçèë. Ifconfig ïîêàçàë êîíôóãóðàöèþ ñåòåôîãî èíòåðôåéñà. Íà÷àë ïèíãîâàòü øëþç, ìîë÷îê, ïèíã íå ïðîõîäèò. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü ðîóòåð íà í¸ì íàñòðîåí dchp, ðåøèë ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîñòàâèòü äèíàìèêó. Ïîïðàâèë /etc/network/intarfces, ïîñëå ïåðåçàãðóçêå ifconfig ïîêàçàë òîëå lo
[16:49] <arhitip> ïîïðàâèë /etc/network/intarfces íà ñòàòèêó, ïåðåçàãðóçèë, èíòåðôåéñ òàê è íå ïîäíÿëñÿ ifconfig ïîêàçàë òîëå loopback, ïîìîãèòå ïëèç ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ ñèòóàöèåé
[16:51] <jtaji> !ru
[16:51] <simplexio> :D
[17:14] <quench> i am having trouble resizing an xfs filesystem on hardware raid, the device shows the new space, but parted won't resize the partiion and xfs_growfs doesn't see the new space (i
[17:15] <quench> opps, and i'm not using lvm, any thoughts or ideas?
[18:02] <chrisadams> I'm clearly looking on the wrong places online - but I can't find a simple man page for adding users to a group
[18:02] <chrisadams> what tools is best fo this?
[19:32] <jpds> man adduser
[19:32] <jpds> chrisadams: ^--
[19:32] <chrisadams> got it
[19:32] <chrisadams> resolved - thanks
[19:39] <chrisadams> just a sanity check - can users in the same group delete each other's files?
[19:40] <chrisadams> i.e. can user A in group one delete user B's stuff if the file perms are 775?
[19:40] <chrisadams> assuming both are in the same group one
[19:40] <rdw200169> chrisadams, yes.
[19:41] <chrisadams> that's what I would expect too
[19:43] <chrisadams> i have one such scenario
[19:43] <chrisadams> I'm deploying with user called deploy, who is in the group www-data
[19:43] <chrisadams> and I am using it to rm a folder owned by www-data
[19:43] <rdw200169> chrisadams, yeah, i just tested this to make sure. yes, you can delete it
[19:43] <chrisadams> but I'm getting a permission denied error
[19:44] <rdw200169> hmm...
[19:46] <chrisadams> https://gist.github.com/76827b7f892925501e5d
[19:46] <chrisadams> see?
[19:48] <chrisadams> both users in the same group, with the correct perms, but still permission is denied
[19:52] <Nafallo> \☺/
[22:28] <chrisadams> is the www-data user new to ubuntu hardy?
[22:46] <chrisadams> do you need to reload sshd  once you've created a new user to allow them to log in via ssh?
[22:46] <Deeps> nope
[23:04] <orudie> how do i unzip a .zip file ?
[23:10] <CppIsWeird> gzip
[23:11] <dazman> orudie, apt-get install unzip, unzip file.zip
[23:29] <orudie> i have this webhost and cpanel
[23:30] <orudie> i copied index.html into www directory, not sure how to access it
[23:30] <orudie> in the web browser
[23:41] <Bangers1> Does anyone know if vmbuilder (ubuntu-vm-builder) supports building into a ESXi Guest, yet?