[00:02] OK. Test building that version. [00:30] quick question on the current daily live cd kde wallet doesn't allow me to save the password, no matter what i try so i can't connect to my wireless [00:31] haven't seen that one [00:31] aslo on the keyboard layout section i have selected USA and can't select back or forward, just have the little two balls spinning waiting [00:32] also in the root of my home drive is a file called screen-configurations.xml wat's that for? [00:38] intesting now it won't boot all the way on the bootable usb drive :( [00:38] cpufreq; no nforce2 chipset [00:39] jjesse: !!! [00:39] how are you? [00:39] DaSkreech: doing well [00:40] How goes Writing? [00:40] ummm [00:40] not very well [00:46] JontheEchidna: do you get sick of responding to the nepomuk crash bugs [00:46] I just go straight to the dupe link :P [00:47] * DaSkreech still has the proof reading/ quality control invite open if you like jjesse [00:47] but yes, I wish it didnt suck so much [00:47] DaSkreech: yes but that means i have to write [00:47] :-D [00:47] got a note from the editor today that i need to respond [00:48] what package is akondai a part of [00:49] Akonadi [00:49] thx [00:49] So I've discovered than using the box switch effect and then holding down alt-tab long enough for auto-repeat to kick in is a bad thing. [00:50] How do I convince the effects to turn back on? [00:52] ScottK: alt+shift+F12 [00:52] wow this is slow in the paritioning/formating part of the install [00:53] DaSkreech: Thanks. I missed the shift before the notification went away. [00:54] ScottK: Great lil keyboard shortcut I can shut it off if I need memory or I'm starting a game then just flip it back on [00:54] ScottK: There is plasmoid that allows you to flick them on and off as well [00:55] Thanks. [00:56] So I retried kdebinding on amd64 after python-qt4 was rebuilt. [00:56] FTBFS due to some smoke stuff. [00:57] NCommander: ^^^ If you want to build your FTBFS reputation .... [01:16] ScottK: there's a patch in bzr for smoke [01:16] did you include that? [01:16] Riddell: No, it was just a retry of the last upload. [01:17] I was curious if it'd build better after doko redid python-qt4. [01:18] Thinking through a kdebindings upload is probably more than I have in me tonight. [01:36] Nightrose: lol i love that picture in your dent [01:37] ;-) [01:38] dent? [01:38] identica, it got crossposted to twitter [01:38] although sometimes the links get screwed up [01:38] http://www.flickr.com/photos/heather/2674969888/ [01:40] <3 [01:54] JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace uploaded. [02:00] * DaSkreech is readin through the usabilty meeting [02:12] whats the link for the usability study? [02:12] meeting [02:14] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Meetings/2009Feb21 [02:14] thanks DaSkreech [02:49] BTW, I'm updating kdebase-workspace in intrepid-backports too. [02:51] the lights are flickering.... [02:51] and the router turned off, but luckily not my desktop or the modem [02:51] * jtechidna should probably turn off the computer [02:51] bbl [04:09] rgreening: you're up? [04:09] hey. ya [04:11] rgreening: recived my patch? [04:11] hmm.. checking [04:12] Quintasan: ya. got it. I'll review and upload [04:12] rgreening: ok :) [04:12] ty for your contribution :) [04:13] and Hi, first of all :d [04:14] time to school :O [04:14] ok [04:57] Riddell: I've uploaded an updated backport for kdebase-workspace that clears up a number of package conflict errors and generally brings it up to date with Jaunty. Would you please accept it. The LP U/I is timing out now, so I can't. [05:09] scottK: can you redo [05:09] rgreening: ? [05:09] I just updated kdebase-workspace with another patch [05:09] and it needs to get in [05:10] How much needs to get in? [05:10] It takes over an hour for that to build and I'd have to test it. [05:10] oh, nm... just realized you said backport [05:10] Yes. [05:10] heh. [05:10] I already uploaded kdebase-workspace a couple of hours ago for Jaunty. [05:10] What's your patch? [05:10] I updated the bzr branch with a patch for quicklaunch crash [05:11] fixed LP: 332233 [05:11] fixes bug 332233 [05:11] Launchpad bug 332233 in kdebase-workspace "Quicklaunch plasma applet causes Plasma crash w/ Qt 4.5 rc1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332233 [05:12] Ah. Yeah, definitely not for a backport. [05:12] nope. unless we bp qt4.5 [05:12] then its required [05:13] scottk: are you able to push out a new kdebase-workspace for jaunty then [05:13] I'm actually just about to go to bed. [05:13] ah. ok [05:13] Riddell: ^^ If you get this... can you do it? [05:18] scottk: so you released 0ubuntu7? [05:18] Yes [05:18] I dodnt realize it was [05:19] and not I've messed up the changelog [05:19] :( [05:19] and the LP bug comment [05:19] doh [05:19] * ScottK points to the commit message for his last bzr commit for the package... [05:20] I see it now. Never saw it when I did a bzr up [05:21] well, we'll need a ubuntu8 right away then [05:21] cause this patch is important [05:31] ScottK: Ok, update changelog :) [05:35] imean I updated it . [05:52] did anyone get the lancelot bug fixed yet for qt4.5? [06:00] Riddell: can we get kdeplasma-addons (4:4.2.0-0ubuntu3) pushed out? Lancelot is currently broken and this updated version has the fix from 3 days ago. ty [06:04] Tonio_: yo === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:13] * Lure is happy that kubuntu is behind ubuntu/gnome for once (notifications) ;-) [09:35] Is it only me or does the kde 4.2 (intrepid) konqueror ignore click on links sometimes? [09:36] Well, make that clicks on everything:-) One side I am seeing this is LP. === glatzor_ is now known as glatzor [10:57] * smarter waves [10:58] morning smarter [10:58] kdebase and kdeplasma-addons uploaded [10:58] hey Riddell [10:58] kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons uploaded rather [10:58] just received the sticers [10:58] *stickers [10:58] yay! [10:58] and HOLY HELL! That's a *lot* of stickers! :p [10:59] isn't it just, I was only expecting a sheet or two [10:59] I got fifty. [10:59] go and stick everything then blog about it :) [11:00] (fifty sheets, that is) [11:00] yeah, I was wondering what to do with all these I <3 kubuntu :p [11:00] * smarter starts by replacing the ubuntu stickers he has :P [11:00] fabo: the more I think about it, the more I recon phonon should be built from Qt [11:02] * smarter sticks the little one on the windows keys of his keyboard :P [11:07] good idea :) [11:13] Riddell and rgreening: I can confirm that dropping kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf in kdebase-workspace cured the double notifications. [11:14] Morning all. [11:14] I wonder why it didn't affect everybody [11:15] a|wen: that was your patch I believe, want to check if upstream changed something since? [11:22] Riddell: sure, i'll check if there are any changes in the upstream svn when i get back [12:42] rgreening: I hope my patch worked [12:42] :) [13:07] JontheEchidna, EagleScreen: \o [13:07] Good morning [13:07] hi [13:08] i am trying to package kmess2 (KDE4) from scratch [13:11] good luck! [13:41] i wonder how long stickers take to get across the pond [13:48] denpends on who is mailing them :) [13:48] email would be faster. [13:49] Riddell: Im working on qtjambi preview now. [13:50] Riddell: I'm thinking we ought to have the kdebindings FTBFS fixed before the next Alpha. Had you planned on uploading your patch todayish? [13:51] ScottK: oh yes I knew there was another one needing uploaded [13:51] I should test build it first I guess [13:51] OK. I'll leave that one to you then. [14:17] Riddell, ScottK: and the new kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons as well should be uploaded from bzr (plasma crash fixes fro quicklaunch and lancelot) [14:18] rgreening: did that [14:18] ScottK: when is next alpha due? [14:18] Riddell: cool. both? [14:18] :) [14:18] rgreening: This Thursday. [14:19] hmm, kdebindings fails [14:19] and so does amarok [14:19] waa [14:19] ScottK: ok. Riddell: I'll see if I can get qtjambi ready for then. [14:40] anyone playing shooters in here [14:40] like et or so [14:40] i have a nice loader that adds sdl sound i found it in the wild wild web [14:41] ghostcube: loader? [14:41] sdl? [14:41] alsa support [14:41] instead of oss support [14:41] ah [14:41] show me [14:41] moment [14:42] http://nullkey.ath.cx/et-sdl-sound/ [14:42] just get the file extract the tar.gz and make it executable [14:43] :) [14:43] works like charm [14:45] interesting [14:45] yeah i searched weeks to get something like this [14:45] though, might not be good with punkbuster [14:45] have to be checked [14:45] cause et isnt working on intrepid kde 4.2 [14:45] Tm_T: it isnt editing the settings [14:45] punkbuster works [14:45] its just oulling the preloads for sdl [14:45] *p [14:46] you see if u open it from terminal [14:46] ghostcube: it does not alter executable? [14:46] i thnk its just an preloader [14:46] like for windows tools to get hacked [14:47] i dont think its capturing the whole file [14:47] havent looked inside the code [14:47] oO [14:47] let's see then when I test it [14:47] but i could play on my ET box [14:47] if I get heavy sanctions due this, who I should crucify? [14:47] hmmm [14:47] heh [14:47] :) not me [14:47] (;) [14:47] anyway, later I will try [14:48] it works for me [14:48] i tested it already [14:48] :) [14:48] "worksforme" doesn't make me feel safe [14:48] lol [14:49] that isn't enough when you do official matches for example [14:49] yeah but if it works on my patchwork intrepid it shoul work for you too [14:49] :D [14:49] even punkbuster bugs are enough to make me feel unsafe [14:50] Tm_T: even the fact thats PB on linux is stressy to be running and updated makes me feel bad [14:54] JontheEchidna: thanks for the update (dunno if it was you, but lancelot works now :) [14:55] Thank Quintasan [14:55] Quintasan: ++ [14:55] :D [15:00] :D [15:02] JontheEchidna: I'm going to apply for members, but I'm going to do something more first :3 [15:17] How is the fgrlx package numbered? The lastest drivers available form amd is 9.2 (20th February) and the package version is 8.573 [15:24] ~twitter update grump [15:24] status updated [15:26] hey, is there a known bug in qt for Jaunty that prevents all qt applications to display correctly? [15:26] i checked launchpad but don't know where exactly to look === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-desktop [15:27] a few days ago, plasma wouldn't start. ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc seems to hold the problem (moving mine out of the way fixed it). i'm trying to figure out what setting broke plasma (debugging), so i've been bzr'ing the file and copying over little bits of the config at a time to see to get a diff where it breaks. can anyone help me figure out which part of this diff is the cause? [15:27] my current plasma-appletsrc is http://paste.ubuntu.com/121892/ and the diff that got it there is http://paste.ubuntu.com/121891/ [15:27] i moved the panel's screen edge (manually, couldnt figure it out in the config file) and changed the geometry of showdesktop to be on the other side of quicklaunch (by copying the geometry from my broken config). lots of geometries changed seemingly on their own though. should messed up geometries cause plasma not to start though? [15:27] >< is not making sense to me [15:28] maco, it could be. However, if you update today, kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons are updated with fixes for some applets. Maybe those fix your issues [15:28] fabo: ping [15:28] ok i'll try installing updates [15:38] quicklaunch was known to cause a crash [15:40] got today's kernel panic out of the way pretty early [15:40] JontheEchidna: I've sent a patch to rgreening yesterday so it should be in queue or something [15:40] Quintasan: its in and done :) [15:41] Quintasan: package was built and deployed afaik earlier today [15:41] :) [15:42] Riddell: any reason why language-support-translations-en is pulling in gobs of gnomish [15:42] and why we need it? [15:42] rgreening: good to know :D [15:43] Riddell: 34 new gnomish packages required for an en lang pack for Kubuntu is not pretty [15:43] rgreening: is this with the --no-install-recommends flag? [15:44] ?? [15:44] I was doing a dist-upgrade [15:44] like anyone else would [15:44] you'd want to use that flag since apt now installs recommends by default [15:45] a boneheaded decision imo [15:45] rgreening: nope [15:45] JontheEchidna: Its not a recommends issue. And we def shouldnt see this (even if it was) under Kubuntu. [15:46] Riddell: language-support-translations-en has a Dep on thunderbird and evolution (a hard dep). thats not right. [15:46] no it's not [15:46] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH [15:46] someone brok'd it. [15:46] * JontheEchidna wipes a tear away from his eye [15:47] Ubuntu automatic language-pack builder [15:47] what kind of name is that? [15:47] dunno who it was that did it [15:47] arno is incharge of that [15:48] Riddell: ok. I'll ping... [15:49] Riddell: is the nick arno? [15:50] rgreening: ArneGoetje (and it's probably late where he is) [15:50] ok [15:50] rgreening: and obviously check your facts first, what's changed since intrepid and aa that [15:50] kk [15:51] changelog says it all 2 entries [15:57] rgreening: pong [16:13] fabo: hey. do yo uhave a qtjambi package? [16:27] hi [16:28] I have a little problem with KCmdLineArgs [16:28] KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) [16:28] sys.argv contains: ../βετα/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb [16:28] so there is utf-8 chars [16:29] after parsing, i get back ../????/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb [16:29] what can be the problem? [16:37] sianis-devel: I'm afraid that's not something I have experience with, one of the joys of being an English speaker [16:38] sianis-devel: but the contents of sys.argv are probably not unicode [16:38] Riddell, it should be: print 'sys.argv:' + sys.argv[1] give back: sys.argv:../βετα/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb [16:41] sianis-devel: try converting the contents to unicode or qstrings? (just a guess) [16:41] afile = unicode(afile, 'utf-8') [16:41] tried : give back ???? [16:41] Sime: any thoughts? ^^ [16:42] without it : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 9-12: ordinal not in range(128) === doc_ is now known as doc___ [16:43] rgreening: no. Debian doesn't have qtjambi (and I'm not a java fan). [16:49] fabo: hahaha [16:57] It seems it would be handy if someone would fix the amarok FTBFS before the Alpha 5 freeze .... [16:57] * ScottK is stabbing at koffice again. [17:00] ScottK: I was looking at amarok, it's not looking good, upstream has updates but they don't fix it and they don't seem to have many ideas on how to fix it [17:00] Rats. [17:01] ScottK: you stabbed koffice and rats came out? O_O [17:01] I have a new idea to try. [17:02] the problem code in amarok is just copied from qt [17:03] Lovely. [17:07] rgreening: are you a java fan ? :D [17:08] Riddell: qtjambi preview packaged and in my PPA. I still have a couple of issues 1) had to disable qtjambi_phonon and 2) some list missing stuff to update (shortly). Any ideas on if disabling the phonon is ok? [17:08] fabo: nope. Not at all. Though the qtjambi is nice all the same. and fast. [17:09] Nice comments on k3b: http://ttgnet.com/daynotes/2009/2009-09.html#Mon [17:10] Riddell: bug 333401 [17:10] Launchpad bug 333401 in evolution "language-support-translations-* installs evolution-documentation-* and should not be required." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333401 [17:12] Riddell: can you please upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/121947/ ? [17:13] rgreening: sorted [17:13] ScottK: seen that from devfil2? [17:14] Riddell: that bug should help somewhat. I am waiting for the update to verify. [17:15] Riddell: what about the qtjambi question :) I had to disable qtjambi_phonon to make it build... is that going to be an issue? [17:15] Riddell: the build log is on my ppa (~d.filoni/+archive/ppa), I just changed the changelog [17:15] devfil2: uncomment should be "comment out" ? [17:16] Riddell: yes [17:17] Riddell: No. Looking [17:18] Riddell: That's similar to what I've got test building right now. Let me see if mine works and if it doesn't I'll use that. [17:18] Anyone having issues with kde 4.2 in intrepid/backports? [17:18] * hunger can no longer click on anything in konqueror. [17:18] hunger: I know we have some additional conflicts/replaces stuff we need to do, but not that. [17:18] rgreening: how is kpackagekit coming? [17:19] * hunger sighs. [17:19] seele: on hold for a bit. Awaiting Tonio_ to package 0.4 [17:20] rgreening: does 0.4 have the changes you made to the application list or will you need to repatch it? [17:24] was kgrubeditor re/moved because it doesnt support grub2? [17:24] !kgrubeditor [17:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about kgrubeditor [17:24] !kgrubconfig [17:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about kgrubconfig [17:24] uhm [17:24] !info kgrubeditor [17:24] kgrubeditor (source: kgrubeditor): graphical editor for GRUB boot manager settings. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.5-0ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 250 kB, installed size 760 kB [17:24] !info kgrubeditor jaunty [17:24] oh, heh. thanks jussi01 [17:24] kgrubeditor (source: kgrubeditor): graphical editor for GRUB boot manager settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-0ubuntu3 (jaunty), package size 250 kB, installed size 760 kB [17:24] :) [17:26] Riddel: Arby: any more work on system-config-printer-kde [17:26] oops, arby isnt here [17:27] Nightrose: ping [17:34] seele: kgrubconfig got into technical discussions about its approach https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/262309 [17:34] Ubuntu bug 262309 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor MIR" [Undecided,Incomplete] [17:34] seele: nothing yet on system-config-printer-kde, maybe next week, it's pretty high priority though [17:34] oh I should fix the current bug though [17:36] Riddell: any news about integration about applications in jaunty? I mean how gtk will be in kubuntu etc... [17:36] Riddell: does that mean kgrubeditor will not be in jaunty by default? [17:36] * seele wonders if Artemis_Fowl is working on it at all [17:38] devfil2: huh? why would we have gtk? [17:39] seele: I guess it would take Artemis_Fowl to argue his case more [17:39] Riddell: for example koffice [17:40] hum.. oh well. it was a bit of work, too bad he's disappeared about it. [17:42] Riddell: s/koffice/openoffice/ . In kubuntu there is openoffice but it looks horrible [17:43] devfil2: openoffice has the kde/qt 3 integration still [17:45] seele: has he disappeared entirely? I would still like to see it in, I'd be happy to help him argue the case if he's still around [17:45] Riddell: there is no a way to show gtk and kde/qt3 applications beautiful using kde4? [17:47] Riddell: i'm pretty sure the semester has started for him by now and so he isn't available. i'll ping him and see what he's up to [17:47] devfil2: I'm not sure what you're seeing but openoffice still has the kde 3 integration for me and it looks a bit out of place on the kde 4 desktop but it looks the same as it always did [17:48] Riddell: I'm talking about the "bit out of place on the kde 4 desktop" [17:49] devfil2: well there's no working KDE 4 integration yet, there's some patches but they need work, and there's no oxygen icon theme yet either (long boring job digging out all 7000 icons that OO.o uses) [17:50] ok [17:52] there are really 7000 OO icons? [17:55] >lesspipe /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/config/images_crystal.zip | wc -l [17:55] 7514 [17:55] some are probably the same icon at different sizes [17:55] wow [17:57] wow [17:58] what about the bug where OOo on KDE ignores the fact that a file extension will be appended and says it'll overwrite a file named foo because you entered "foo" in the name box (though the actual name will be foo.odt)? [17:58] (it doesn't happen in gnome with the gtk or nautilus or whatever it is file browser) [17:59] bug 270750 [17:59] Launchpad bug 270750 in kdelibs "OpenOffice with KDE 3 behaves like saving will overwrite another file, even though there's the automatic file extension" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270750 [17:59] maco: unfortunately the KDE 3 openoffice integration isn't maintained currently. and if anyone did work on OO with KDE they should work on fixing up the KDE 4 stuff [18:00] er oh....didnt pay attention to the version # in there sorry [18:00] wait it wasnt tested on kde4 [18:00] Riddell: I did some more fixes in ubiquity (the changes are in my branch) just letting you know if you want to bring them into main [18:01] Riddell: did you see http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56776 ? [18:01] * maco goes to test [18:01] seele: I had to get the packagekit team to add some support in the back-end. There's a new app-install specification that we wrote to support this. [18:02] maco: there is no (working) kde 4 version currently [18:02] maco: so nothing to test [18:02] seele: So, I have to update my patch to work with our new specification and add in the remaining missing bits. I am hoping to do this from 0.4 rather than backporting individual bits. [18:02] slightly confused, but ok... [18:03] devfil2: hum, that's really not a nice solution [18:03] rgreening, have you already worked on a library to access the desktop cache? [18:04] glatzor: nope. I was waiting on Tonio_ to package KPackageKit 0.4 to continue my work. [18:04] rgreening, I added support to the postinst to fill the desktop cache with the app-inst data [18:04] maco: in short, OO KDE maintainers needed [18:04] glatzor: awesome. [18:04] ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-adjustableclock/+bug/328112 you are the last in changelog, conflicts and replaces are wrong [18:04] Ubuntu bug 328112 in plasma-widget-adjustableclock "package plasma-widget-adjustableclock None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/plasma-widget-adjustableclock.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_adjustableclock.so', which is also in package plasmoid-adjustableclock" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:05] Could be. If you would propose a fix I would sponsor it. [18:05] glatzor: was that in app-install-data? And what is the file it generates. [18:05] rgreening, furthermore I will add a small python module to access the desktop cache to implement the application filter as soon as possible [18:06] app-install-data ships all the desktop files in Ubuntu [18:06] glatzor: cool, packagekit has the filter definition in there, so, the back-end is what I am assuming you are writing for apt? [18:06] the postinst script called update-packagekit-app-install-data extracts the information and writes it to the desktop cache (sqlite database) [18:07] rgreening: ok sounds good [18:07] glatzor: what is the file name/location? not the same one packagekit writes, correct? [18:07] lex79: hi [18:07] seele: :) [18:08] glatzor: btw, great work on all this. It's really appreciated. I assume packagekit-gome will want to take advantage of this too. [18:08] devfil2: hi :) [18:12] rgreening, there will be only one desktop database [18:12] rgreening, Just run the update-packagekit-app-install-data script from backends/apt to create the db [18:15] rgreening, actually you can already start working, since the application filter will only reduce the number of returned packages [18:15] glatzor: will that conflict with the one packagekit provides/uses? [18:16] rgreening, which things should conflict? [18:17] In the spec we wrote, it does say there will be two files (iirc). I could be wrong. [18:17] rgreening, We are talking about implementing the spec. [18:17] let me look at app-install-date. has it been uploaded/promoted already? [18:18] rgreening, there is another file which holds a mapping of desktop-files/installed packages [18:18] rgreening, it is located in /var/lib/PackageKit/desktop-files.db [18:18] glatzor:yes, that's not being touched correct. [18:19] rgreening, right. this is managed by the packagekit daemon [18:19] cool. [18:19] hi there [18:19] * Tonio_ polishes k3b packaging... [18:19] glatzor: hi ! I looked at kpackagekit yesterday, but couldn't find your update on the ppa... [18:19] glatzor: is there a technical issue on that poinr ? [18:20] glatzor: ok, I'll start modifying my patch for Kpackagekit to use the new filter [18:21] glatzor: when will the new app-install-data be uploaded [18:21] Tonio_, I will check [18:21] glatzor: super :) [18:22] glatzor: oh, I just realized, you added this to packagekit apt backend and not app-install-data.. correct? [18:23] rgreening, the app-install-data is not yet involved. [18:23] rgreening, so yes. This will be part of the packagekit-backend-apt [18:24] glatzor: ok, so, I assume packagekit-backend-apt will need to run this script on a trigger of some sort... [18:25] I still cannot boot into a KDE session from KDM due to freezing after the "network" icon on Kubuntu Jaunty [18:26] Riddell / ScottK: i can see that rgreening played with upstream updates to the kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf.diff ; that didn't fix the double notifications that some had? [18:27] Tonio_: I was informed that you are likely the most knowledgeable about this particular issue, as it's likely related to the new version of NetworkManager [18:27] a|wen: wasn't me [18:27] a|wen: JontheEchidna [18:27] :( [18:27]