[00:00] <maco> dtchen: how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfoOutput
[00:01] <nemo> dtchen: reverting to libqt 4.4 from apt cache seems to have worked well and fairly painlessly. thanks.
[00:01] <nemo> hopefully 4.5 gets unbroken
[00:01] <maco> nemo: what was wrong with qt 4.5?
[00:01] <nemo> maco: 100% CPU usage in Qt event processing
[00:01] <srid> update-grub says 2.6.28 kernel is found, but then menu.lst is still the same (with only 2.6.27).
[00:01] <srid> ?
[00:01] <maco> nemo: ouch
[00:02] <nemo> QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents
[00:02] <nemo> maco: ^^^
[00:02] <nemo> maco: couldn't get any respone in #qt
[00:02] <nemo> and found no open bugs
[00:02] <nemo> but apparently event processing has plenty of similar issues in the past
[00:07] <srid> ah. using the newest kernel fixed the wireless issue
[00:37] <tritium> Well, daily builds from 2/16 through 2/22 all hang at the partitioner so far for me.  No getting past that point.
[00:38] <maco> tritium: live or alternate?
[00:38] <jpds> tritium: Might want to bring that up in #ubuntu-testing
[00:38] <tritium> maco: mythbuntu live, actually
[00:38] <tritium> jpds: good suggestion
[00:38] <jpds> Ah, right.
[00:38] <tritium> Thanks!
[00:38] <jpds> Not sure if they do mythbuntu tho.
[00:42] <tritium> jpds: perhaps not.  I'll idle a while, and see if there is a response.  I would assume that partman is common to both.
[00:43] <tritium> I'm  using dailies in part because there was no alpha 4 for mythbuntu.
[01:26] <charlie-tca> I spoke with cjwatson earlier about the issues witht eh dailies not working. He said the fix probably would be out in two days
[01:26] <charlie-tca> All of the live cd's seem to be broken today
[02:32] <rww> I'm using Virtualbox on a Windows host with a Jaunty guest, and installed the Virtualbox Guest Additions into Jaunty. When Jaunty gets a kernel upgrade, will I have to reinstall the guest additions, or will they get applied to the new kernel automatically?
[02:48] <Ahmuck> rww: check #vbox
[02:58] <nemo> dtchen: in the end, was not that successful switching to 4.4
[02:58] <nemo> kept getting mysterious linking errors :(
[02:59] <nemo> oh well. guess I'll file a bug against 4.5 and hope it gets fixed.
[03:33] <DanaG> Anyone know how I can optimize my boot any further?
[03:33] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[03:37] <Stralytic> DanaG, compile your own kernel and disable initrd
[03:40] <DanaG> oh heck, the kernel has my AHCI driver compiled in... it just needs a root=/dev/sda5
[03:40] <DanaG> instead of uuid.
[03:41]  * DanaG goes to try it.
[03:54] <billybigrigger> DanaG, sup
[03:54] <DanaG> odd, look at my latest boot log.
[03:54] <DanaG> It actually took _longer_ without initramfs.
[03:54] <billybigrigger> how'd you make out with your boot times?
[03:54] <DanaG> And the bootchart is really odd.
[03:54] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[03:55] <DanaG> wtf.. the ones from today aren''''''t there.
[03:55] <billybigrigger> nope
[03:55] <billybigrigger> feb 19th are the latest
[03:56] <DanaG> ah, fixed it.
[03:56] <DanaG> had scp'd them to the wrong dir.
[03:56] <billybigrigger> 41secs is your best time?
[03:56] <billybigrigger> not bad :P
[03:57] <DanaG> oh, might be bridge_maxwait.
[03:57] <DanaG> 35 is my best, actually.
[03:57] <billybigrigger> just saw that
[03:57] <DanaG> What's with the thing on the left, though?  Nothing happening.
[03:58] <billybigrigger> not sure...when does bootchart start measuring?
[03:58] <billybigrigger> could it be grub wait time???
[03:58] <DanaG> Nope, that's too early for bootchart.
[03:58] <billybigrigger> im not all that familiar with bootchart, just installing it now
[03:59]  * DanaG tries again.
[03:59] <billybigrigger> just making an educated guess i'd say that's a good 3-4 secs of nothing
[04:00] <keith_> I am running Alpha 4 with full updates in VirtualBox and when I install Guest Additions, I only get a text login screen after I reboot. Does anyone know what is causing this, and if there is a workaround?
[04:01] <billybigrigger> gdm isn't started/starting
[04:01] <billybigrigger> ??
[04:01] <keith_> billybigrigger: Presumably, would it be an issue with the graphics driver the Guest Additions is trying to use?
[04:02] <billybigrigger> possibly, i dont use vbox...but i would guess that yes there might be a gfx problem
[04:02] <billybigrigger> login and check your logs
[04:02] <rww> I just installed Guest Additions on a Jaunty guest today and it works fine o.O
[04:02] <rww> keith_: are you using the latest version of VirtualBox?
[04:03] <keith_> No. I was considering upgrading, but I wasn't sure if that would help.
[04:03] <rww> keith_: it might. I'm using the latest version, and like I said, it works fine for me.
[04:04] <keith_> rww: Do you think that just upgrading would work? Or would I have to re-install the guest additions after?
[04:04] <rww> keith_: no idea, I'm not that smart about virtualbox
[04:05] <keith_> ok, well... I will try that. :)
[04:05] <keith_> rww: Thanks for letting me know it is at least possible
[04:07] <DanaG> STill a big wait.
[04:07] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/jaunty-20090222-5.png
[04:07] <billybigrigger> DanaG, thats odd
[04:07] <billybigrigger> it's getting bigger haha, no good
[04:07] <billybigrigger> what did you change?
[04:08] <billybigrigger> 15s wait, you'd have a nice boot time without that wait
[04:08] <DanaG> Not sure.
[04:08] <DanaG> I think I took out "quiet splash"
[04:08] <DanaG> or just "quiet"
[04:11] <DanaG> X_PM1a_EVT_BLK.bit_width (16) does not match PM1_EVT_LEN (4)
[04:12] <DanaG> X_PM1a_EVT_BLK.bit_width (16) does not match PM1_EVT_LEN (4)
[04:12] <DanaG> and later: [    0.004000] CPU: Processor Core ID: 1
[04:12] <DanaG> [    0.160620] CPU1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz stepping 06
[04:12] <DanaG> Note the big gap.
[04:13] <billybigrigger> 0:25
[04:13] <billybigrigger> i get a gap too
[04:13] <billybigrigger> only about 3 secs though
[04:15] <billybigrigger> look at your charts dana, you had that gap down to 3 secs, and i think when you removed "quiet splash" is when you added 10+s to your time
[04:17] <DanaG> ah.
[04:17] <DanaG> Perhaps just lag on printing messages?
[04:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does Fedora 10 have KMS?  If so, I might wanna' try native-booting it.
[04:17] <DanaG> KMS for Radeon, more specifically.
[04:17] <DanaG> R600.
[04:19] <DanaG> Still has a longer total boot time than with initramfs.
[04:53] <DanaG> wtf?  sudo gpt --help
[04:53] <DanaG> gpt: opção inválida: --
[04:54] <DanaG> ah, it's not the gpt I think it is.
[04:54] <DanaG> =þ
[05:43] <DoYouKnow> hi
[05:44] <DoYouKnow> this is weird... I'm getting an issue where after upgrading from 8.10 to jaunty, then installing stellarium, windows "shine through" onto the stellarium planetarium screen
[05:44] <DoYouKnow> from my desktop
[05:44] <DoYouKnow> just for a fraction of a second
[05:44] <ali1234> DoYouKnow: i may have a solution for you
[05:44] <DoYouKnow> really?
[05:44] <DoYouKnow> anything is worth a shot
[05:45] <ali1234> i had a similar problem with a program called eagle
[05:46] <ali1234> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598799
[05:46] <ali1234> have a look on that screenshot... is it similar?
[05:46] <ali1234> anyway the solution for eagle is just a little down that thread
[05:49] <DoYouKnow> this is more like a flicker
[05:49] <DoYouKnow> I tried the environment variable trick
[05:49] <DoYouKnow> and it didn't work
[05:49] <Stralytic> are you using compiz?
[05:50] <DoYouKnow> yeah
[05:50] <Stralytic> don't
[05:51] <WT-Udev> mmm what a nice PCB program.
[05:52] <DoYouKnow> ok, I'll try that
[05:53] <WT-Udev> ali1234: Are those test-points in the upper right? http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=48636&d=1193867373   It looks like you might have gnd/com slightly seperated (which I -really- like)
[05:54] <ali1234> WT-Udev: not my thread nor my circuit :)
[05:55] <WT-Udev> Ah
[05:57] <DoYouKnow> yeah, that works... awesome... now I can see the sun rise in france from my laptop in chicago :)
[06:00] <woody86> does anyone know if there's an easy way to make the calender week in Ubuntu start on Monday instead of Sunday?
[06:00] <WT-Udev> calendar in what?  Also, have you looked through the region settings?
[06:02] <ali1234> woody86: for me it starts on monday by default?
[06:02] <woody86> well, I want to keep en_US, but just have the week begin on Monday. In just the Clock applet I guess, or all of Ubuntu
[06:02] <woody86> ali1234-  what language and locale are you using?
[06:02] <ali1234> en_UK i guess?
[06:02] <maco> woody86: for the clock applet, change it in evolution
[06:02] <woody86> ali1234-  ah, thanks
[06:03] <woody86> maco, ok, let me try. Is it just in the normal settings in Evolution?
[06:03] <maco> woody86: i think in gconf-editor in /apps/evolution/calendar/display if you change week_start_day to 1, you can avoid opening evolution at all to do it
[06:04] <ali1234> maco: that's handy since i uninstalled it :)
[06:04] <woody86> maco, ok, cause Evolution was set to start on Monday by default, but the regular calender still starts on sunday
[06:05] <maco> oh
[06:05] <maco> >< the clock applet's supposed to always match evolution
[06:05] <woody86> hmmm...
[06:06] <woody86> well what does it go by if you uninstall Evo? I usually don't have it installed
[06:06] <ali1234> woody86: you can't full yuninstall it, only really the front end
[06:06] <woody86> ali1234-  ah, ok, well let me try gconf
[06:07] <maco> the clock applet's gconf preferences dont have a settiing for that
[06:07] <woody86> maco, well I'm trying out Evo's gconf
[06:08] <woody86> and it shows it starts on day 1? Is that Sunday or Monday?
[06:09] <woody86> ok, nvm, "Sunday(0) through Saturday(6)" so 1 would be Monday
[06:10] <woody86> but Clock applet has never shown Monday as start of week?
[06:11] <DoYouKnow> just tried installing selinux on ubunut+1 with sudo apt-get install selinux. Noticed that load_policy was not found in the sbin directory during boot
[06:11] <DoYouKnow> do I need some other package?
[06:12] <WT-Udev> woody86: it's precicely that kind of issue that drives me away from Gnome.  There aren't dials for sensiable things (let alone the stuff that should get tucked on to an 'advanced' tab... like Xine's configuration levels).  Also, the filesystem dialogue SUCKS... it's way too constraining.
[06:13] <ali1234> woody86: i think you may have to restart to make the calendar applet change? (or at least restart the applet)
[06:13] <woody86> WT-Udev-  true, but I'm not really a hard-core tweaker, and outside of this, I haven't had to deal with anything else that was this diffucult to change, so it's been fine by me. And I've just gotten used to the interface :)
[06:14] <quassel104> can i run the install kubuntu restricted extras on 9.04?
[06:14] <ali1234> gnome made me 200% more productive. when i was a KDE user i just used to sit and tweak settings all day :)
[06:15] <woody86> ali1234-  well I didn't change anything. Evo was already set to start on Monday, but the Clock aplet shows Sunday
[06:15] <WT-Udev> woody86: well it's little things.  Like x-mouse behavior (focus following mouse... generally.  -ideally- I like focus under mouse, UNLESS a dialogue pops up (Please drop the first 1-2 seconds of input you snag) which would preferably pop up without focus anyway, left click to raise window, any other clicks interact with it.)
[06:15] <ali1234> woody86: i can't think why mine shows monday. i mean you only select your location in the installer... that's all i have ever dne
[06:16] <ali1234> woody86: and i'm pretty sure that the british default is supposed to start on sunday
[06:16] <WT-Udev> ali1234: the idea behind having settings is you tweak them once, an initial investment, then don't have to touch them again
[06:16] <woody86> ali1234-  yeah, I think there is some minor differences in the calenders, clocks, etc between en_US, en_UK, etc
[06:16] <quassel104> how do i install nonfree codec on 9.04?
[06:16] <ali1234> WT-Udev: i know but i can't help it :)
[06:17] <woody86> ali1234-  haha, I'm the same way :) I love to tweak little things all the time
[06:17] <WT-Udev> http://www.medibuntu.org/ << quassel104 You'll want to start looking here.  Make sure you understand exactly what it is you're doing before you proceed... (Yeah right, as if windows users ever do that...)
[06:18] <woody86> I have my panel clock now showing ISO Time: "2009-02-23  00:18:04"
[06:19] <quassel104> thanks, but isn't there a one command to install all nonfree codecs?
[06:20] <woody86> quassel104-  possibly try this out? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766683
[06:21] <WT-Udev> quassel104: nope, there's not 'one command' but there are a few good places to start. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu has instructions.
[06:21] <quassel104> thanks, will take a look
[06:29] <woody86> ali1234-  well I logged out, switched my session to en_UK and logged back in, now calendar starts on Monday :) I wonder what other differences there are between UK and US?
[06:31] <Stralytic> the colours are probably different
[06:31] <woody86> huh ?
[06:31] <ali1234> lol
[06:31] <ali1234> color vs colour?
[06:31] <Stralytic> yep
[06:32] <Stralytic> the colours on the UK version have U in it
[06:32] <Lounge> hay guys i have the bug #325690:
[06:32] <Lounge> This report is public
[06:32] <Lounge> #325690:
[06:32] <Lounge> This report is public
[06:33] <woody86> ali1234-  ok, added color to dictionary
[06:33] <Lounge> i haven't been able to patch it - so udev is still not able to name or map my encrypted lvm root
[06:33] <WT-Udev> is that bug 332270 again?
[06:33] <woody86> and my time zone is still correct, and my toilet still flushes in the right direction ;)
[06:34] <ali1234> of course, same hemisphere
[06:34] <woody86> oh, man, I should try en_SA! see what happens :)
[06:35] <Lounge> WT-Udev: yes that's is totally what it does after i put in the password during boot up
[06:36] <Lounge> someone made a patch for 65-dmsetup.rules but it didn't help
[06:36] <woody86> oh man, it thinks cheque is a word ;P
[06:36] <WT-Udev> Lounge: you need 65 AND 60 rules fixed
[06:36] <Lounge> WT-Udev: is there a link to the patches?
[06:37] <Lounge> this was also right after i did a full fresh install of jaunty on the lvm partitions
[06:38] <WT-Udev> Lounge: It's either manual or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/31  << That plus maybe 65.   Manual >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/53  Don't forget the update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r)
[06:39] <WT-Udev> As mentioned in other poists the initrd retains the faulty udev settings otherwise
[06:39] <Lounge> okay thanx ^^
[06:39] <Lounge> thankfully i know how to chroot
[06:43] <Lounge> what version is udev supposed to be at the moment?
[06:43] <Lounge> mine says 138-1
[06:43] <WT-Udev> That's the latest normal one
[06:43] <Lounge> kk
[06:43] <WT-Udev> There's a PPA with some of the patches you need
[06:45] <Lounge> the intructions say to so sudo update-initramfs -c -k all but i've already done update-initramfs -u all many times :/
[06:45] <WT-Udev> I find -c works better than -u for me
[06:45] <WT-Udev> The important thing is rebuilding it
[06:46] <Stralytic> just dont use initramfs, problem solved :P
[06:46] <Lounge> okay im gonna execute that and then try to reboot into it normally and see
[06:47] <Lounge> i didn't know that -u was error prone
[06:47] <Lounge> k gonna reboot brb
[06:48] <WT-Udev> It broke the cryptosetup in initrd for me one time
[06:51] <andersk> update-initramfs -c and -u use the same code path for generating the initramfs.  The only difference is that -u does extra checks and backups.
[06:51] <Lounge> still no-go
[06:52] <Lounge> um i didn't patch the rules correctly i guess
[06:52] <WT-Udev> Probably, grep them, rebuild the initrd
[06:52] <Lounge> WT-Udev: cna you send me those links again? sorry
[06:52] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/53.
[06:52] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/53
[06:56] <Lounge> "sudo grep -ri watch /etc/udev" shows nothing :/
[06:56] <WT-Udev> Lounge: you've got to do /lib/udev/ too
[06:56] <WT-Udev> They moved the files, unlike every other dang linux dist
[06:56] <Lounge> yes but it returns with "File descriptor in bad state"
[06:57] <WT-Udev> remove the file, aptitude reinstall udev
[06:57] <Lounge> chrooting might be the cause, maybe?
[06:57] <WT-Udev> maybe
[06:58] <Lounge> okay i'll remove the 60-persistent-storage.rules and reinstall then?
[06:58] <Lounge> reinstall udev*
[06:59] <Lounge> oh actually
[07:00] <Lounge> i did grep -ri watch /lib/udev/rules.d/
[07:00] <Lounge> now i see the entries
[07:01] <WT-Udev> IDK why they even moved the files.   Config items should go under /etc.  It's not like they moved the udev files to another partition.
[07:08] <Lounge> okay commented them out with nano
[07:08] <WT-Udev> crdlb: they're text, control system behavior, are distribution dependent defaults which can be altered by the user, and are at least as 'config' as the /etc/init.d/ scripts
[07:08] <crdlb> the users is supposed to override them via /etc/udev.d/
[07:08] <crdlb> user*
[07:09] <Lounge> WT-Udev: is this gonna get corrected in the next update of udev?
[07:10] <WT-Udev> Lounge: we can only hope
[07:10] <Lounge> k im gonna reboot again
[07:27] <lounge> okay its fixed now
[07:27] <lounge> just had to install irssi
[07:28] <lounge> thanks for the help WT-Udev
[07:29] <lounge> well this is different - the lvm partitions are showing up as /dev/mapper/group-names instead of /dev/dm-*
[07:29] <lounge> but that's how it was in hardy
[07:45] <scizzo-> moin
[08:25] <Finnish> I'm trying to install Kdenlive, but APT can't find frei0r-package
[08:25] <Finnish> Do I have to enable all software sources?
[08:33] <tgpraveen> hi guys I just now upgraded to jaunty and one strange thing I noticed is that epiphany got installed automatically. how I sthat?
[08:33] <tgpraveen> is ubuntu moving from firefox to epiphany?
[08:35] <crdlb> I don't think so ... possibly a bad dep somewhere
[08:38] <tgpraveen> ok. and before upgrade I was using  darkroom theme
[08:38] <tgpraveen> and now although I have the same theme the text seems to be different
[08:38] <tgpraveen> I have different text globally
[08:39] <crdlb> the text size?
[08:39] <tgpraveen> no the font
[08:39] <crdlb> well, jaunty attempts to use your monitor's real DPI for font sizing
[08:39] <crdlb> I did notice a big difference in the font hinting from intrepid -> jaunty
[08:40] <crdlb> (a big improvement for me)
[08:41] <tgpraveen> well like I am saying the font has changed not the size
[08:41] <tgpraveen> and I liked the intrepid font better and was used to it
[08:41] <tgpraveen> anyway to change it back
[08:41] <tgpraveen> what was the name of the font in intrepid
[08:42] <tgpraveen> also overall the system seems to be much slower and less responsive
[08:42] <tgpraveen> the cpu usage goes high very frequently now
[08:43] <crdlb> the default font in both releases should be DejaVu Sans (and the GUI shows just Sans, since it's the default)
[08:43] <crdlb> what video card?
[08:48] <tgpraveen> ok. the font issues is resolved yeah its size was increeadsed which I thought made it look like another font so decreased and its alright now
[08:49] <tgpraveen> but the issues of high cpu usage is still there
[08:49] <tgpraveen> on nvidia card with proprietary drivers enabled
[08:49] <tgpraveen> 180
[08:49] <crdlb> the one vendor for which I have no idea
[08:51] <tgpraveen> damn does anybody else know anything
[08:51] <crdlb> could be a problem with the 180 driver over the 177 or 173 that you were using on intrepid
[08:51] <crdlb> or it might not be GPU-related at all
[08:52] <tgpraveen> hmm. lets say it wasn't gpu prob then what else could it be?
[08:53] <tgpraveen> you kwn I remember  ubuntu when I started using it with feist fawn damn that was such a slick and fast system but then on each vrsion seems to be slower
[08:53] <tgpraveen> and slower
[08:58] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: keep in mind that jaunty is still alpha
[08:59] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: have you checked the running processes and so on for things that might stick out a little more when it comes to cpu usage?
[09:00] <tgpraveen> seems I have found a bug report which matches my problems according to that bug report the cpu used is only 35 mhz or something instead of 2.4 ghz which I have
[09:00] <tgpraveen> let me check that out
[09:00] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: make sure you're using nvidia 180.29, not that it's just 'installed' but not in use.
[09:00] <crdlb> 35? oww
[09:02] <tgpraveen> WT-Udev: yeah it is
[09:06] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: ubuntu, xubuntu, or kubuntu (I have the middle)
[09:07] <tgpraveen> I have ubuntu
[09:08] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: start the 'System Monitor' if you have that.
[09:09] <tgpraveen> yes I do have it.
[09:09] <WT-Udev> Great... I login after a couple days of remote console use during this udev stuff... and the desktop flicker rapidly for a few min before subsiding.
[09:09] <tgpraveen> startyed now wht?
[09:09] <WT-Udev> ... what the hell, even ssh is laggy?
[09:09] <WT-Udev> Sort by CPU usage
[09:10] <WT-Udev> Well this is pathetic, X idling should not eat 20% cpu
[09:10] <WT-Udev>  4635 root      20   0  842m 401m  36m D   26 20.2   0:33.21 Xorg
[09:17] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: set view to All Processes, sort by CPU usage, tell me what you're seeing.  If there is one eating a LOT of cpu, or a lot of duplicates...
[09:17] <tgpraveen> no. nothing like that
[09:18] <tgpraveen> like I said my bug is
[09:18] <tgpraveen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/332017
[09:18] <WT-Udev> Oh, I don't have a p4
[09:19] <tgpraveen> btw I have upgraded to jaunty and have all updates and I get the new notification systems
[09:19] <tgpraveen> but I don't have that message indicator applet
[09:23] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: can you sudo echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ; cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[09:24] <WT-Udev> That -may- make your system respond more with more dynamic CPU use.
[09:26] <WT-Udev> tgpraveen: reading the bug-thread, it seems that you've already tried something like that.  Aside from experimenting with the ondemand and conservative scaling govs and their control files there's not much I can suggest.
[09:27] <WT-Udev> Oh, it seems I made a slight copy error, there's a cpu1 in there that may not work for you, use cpu0 in that case.
[09:28] <tgpraveen> WT-Udev: yeah thanks for trying . I think I have that under control. btw I have upgraded to jaunty and have all updates and I get the new notification systems
[09:28] <tgpraveen> tgpraveen: but I don't have that message indicator applet
[09:29]  * WT-Udev shrugs, doesn't use that stuff anyway so can't comment on it.
[09:40] <jimmyspark1> I've come up with the next ubuntu mascot for L : a Liger!!
[09:45] <WT-Udev> Lost Lion-tiger?
[09:46] <jimmyspark1> It can't be 'Lost' - that not very inspirational now is it?!
[09:46] <WT-Udev> It's better than lazy, lathargic, etc
[10:10] <idorock89> guys i just now upgraded to jaunty and am having problem of stuttering audio with some video files in totem. though they play fine with smplayer
[10:14] <scizzo-> idorock89: is it the same with music files?
[10:15] <idorock89> no
[10:15] <idorock89> not till now. but in totem also some files
[10:15] <idorock89> have this problem some dont
[10:15] <idorock89> but those which do they alwasys have it
[10:15] <scizzo-> rather strange behavious
[10:16] <scizzo-> behaviour
[10:16] <scizzo-> I had that also however that was for _all_ files in totem and other players also
[10:16] <scizzo-> after adding my user to pulse-rt group then it went away
[10:17] <scizzo-> not sure if it will help for you
[10:17] <scizzo-> NOTE: if you do try that remember that you need to logout and login again
[10:28] <Tecumseh> hi there, is there a known problem with kubuntu jaunty in regard to plasma not starting (black screen)
[10:28] <WT-Udev> Tecumseh: don't know my self, maybe search the bugs for plasma?
[10:28] <WT-Udev> or kde4?
[10:32] <Tecumseh> i searched all day but no sollutionn found yet
[10:33] <WT-Udev> Did you find any BUGS that match though?
[10:34] <Tecumseh> yeah, but that was one from december 2008
[10:36] <WT-Udev> Either add your info to it, or open a new one if you think it's different.
[10:36] <Tecumseh> wait, here's one on the forums from yesterday. Let's try that one
[10:37] <Tecumseh> brb
[10:39] <idorock89> scizzo-: i seem to have narrowed the problem down
[10:39] <Tecumseh> back, removing plasma-appletrc helped
[10:39] <idorock89> it seems mainly avi files
[10:39] <idorock89> are giving me the stuttering audio in movie player
[10:40] <idorock89> while in intrepid i used medibuntu site codecs so wwill that be causing a problem?
[10:41] <urkki> How can I install Kino to Jaunty? It seems version 1.3.2 is in the repos, but I need 1.3.3-version, and it is only for Intrepid
[10:43] <Hew> urkki: 1.3.0 is in both Intrepid and Jaunty. See bug 313470
[10:52] <urkki> What about these GetDeb-packages?
[10:52] <urkki> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Kino
[10:57] <Hew> Finnish: Getdeb is a third-party project, and not part of official Ubuntu. On saying that, I reckon if you just install that 1.3.3 package on Jaunty, there's a good chance it will work.
[10:57] <Finnish> I'll try that
[10:58]  * Hew hopes he finally defeated bug 332270. Restarting...
[11:03] <idorock89> guys which gstreamer plugin has support to play mkv files?
[11:03] <idorock89> as i seem to have lost it or messed it up when i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty?
[11:03] <cumulus007> Where can I find the translation of KPackageKit?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> idorock89: AFAIK none
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I instaled medibuntu mplayer to be able to open them
[11:04] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu
[11:04] <idorock89> BUGabundo: then how does one play mkv files in totem coz i used to play in totem mkv files in intrepid dont remember what codecs i installed
[11:05] <BUGabundo> humm maybe medibuntu has more ugly codecs that you can install ?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> I have them all, so I don't know.... I just know I OPEN anything
[11:06] <idorock89> BUGabundo: i also could do that in inepid going to jaunty seems to have messed it up
[11:06] <BUGabundo> no idea
[11:07] <Hew> Does anyone know a workaround on how to recover from bug 332270? I cannot boot to use apt.
[11:07] <BUGabundo> Hew: live cd and then chroot to disk ?
[11:08] <Hew> BUGabundo: I'm on a LiveCD atm and have just tried chroot but it doesn't seem to have fixed the problem (I probably did it wrong).
[11:09] <WT-Udev> wb Hew
[11:09] <Hew> BUGabundo: I just used chroot, then ran dpkg on the old udev deb. Does that sound right?
[11:09] <Hew> WT-Udev: Thanks, unfortunately I'm not back on Jaunty..
[11:09] <WT-Udev> Hew: Yes, there midway down in bug 332270 there are instructions involving grep and update-init...whatever
[11:10] <Hew> hmm I missed that earlier, I'll give it another go
[11:11] <Hew> I'm definitely getting rid of lvm for good in the near future, too much hassle
[11:11] <WT-Udev> My words are frequently missed or misunderstood.  Sometimes I wonder if that is because I'm trying to convey the ideas rapidly instead of concisely.
[11:12] <Hew> WT-Udev: I just meant I missed the relevant comment in the bug report, I must have skimmed over it :-)
[11:14] <WT-Udev> The problem is... it's a triage, there's still an underlying issue
[11:16] <Hew> WT-Udev: I understand, but Jaunty is my main system, and at this point I just want to workaround the issue. It's silly for all Jaunty development to stop for one bug.
[11:16] <BUGabundo> WT-Udev: maybe the OP desc should be changed to mention all steps?
[11:16] <BUGabundo> instead having them on the mid of the bug
[11:17] <Finnish> What do I need to do to enable in MPlayer?
[11:17] <Finnish> http://pastebin.com/m4a4906b0
[11:17] <Hew> BUGabundo: Yes, a WORKAROUND section is very helpful once one is known, especially for high/critical bugs.
[11:17] <Finnish> To enable video in MPlayer
[11:18] <BUGabundo> Finnish: go to settings
[11:18] <BUGabundo> and change the video output
[11:18] <BUGabundo> to X11 or something that works
[11:18] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/53
[11:18] <WT-Udev> That has the fix anythign instructions in it
[11:19] <WT-Udev> More or less
[11:25] <WT-Udev> Also, the bug isn't mine, and I don't have anything like mod pwoers... so I can't really put the instructions anyplace good.
[11:30] <Hew> and my keyboard died for some reason, great
[11:31] <WT-Udev> maybe ctrl+s ?  Type ctrl+q
[11:31] <Hew> I restarted
[11:32] <Hew> This bug is one of the most frustrating I've ever come across, it has wasted my whole afternoon.
[11:32] <Finnish> Any mencoder-experts around? How can I extract audio from avi, I want wav-files
[11:32] <Hew> Finnish: You may find more help in #ubuntu since that question is not Jaunty-specific
[11:33] <WT-Udev> Finnish: you don't need mencoder, you can just use mplayer and -ao pcm
[11:34] <Hew> I get various "not found" errors in the chroot, as well as complaints about not knowing the "ubuntu" hostname
[11:34] <WT-Udev> Hew: it's chroot
[11:34]  * Hew apt-get installs lvm2 again
[11:35] <WT-Udev> I'm saying chroot's different
[11:36] <Hew> so I can ignore those messages, or does it indicate something's wrong?
[11:36] <WT-Udev> Hostname issues, source /etc/profile issues, no startup script variable assigned.
[11:36] <WT-Udev> Depends what the messages are unfortunately
[11:36] <WT-Udev> Some have multiple paths that they could be fixed with
[11:36] <Hew> I'll try again, just installing / mounting atm, hopefully my keyboard won't die on me again
[11:36] <Hew> and thanks for your help WT-Udev
[11:36] <WT-Udev> Hostname for example, you could add whatever it thinks the hostname is to etc/hosts (localhost hostname)
[11:38] <Hew> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[11:38] <Hew> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
[11:39] <Hew> Those are probably all secondary problems though
[11:39] <WT-Udev> Hew: did you forget to mount -o bind /dev proc and sys before you chrooted?
[11:39] <Hew> WT-Udev: I did. I haven't used chroot before, and haven't stumbled across a howto guide
[11:41] <WT-Udev> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml#doc_chap2_sect8 << Rough guide, don't know if ubuntu has env-update
[11:41] <WT-Udev> it doens't
[11:47] <Hew> meh, I'm going to leave this until tomorrow. If there still isn't a fix I'll just reinstall. This is too frustrating to deal with.
[11:48] <WT-Udev> Hew: You'll -still- have it in the re-install.
[11:48] <WT-Udev> Have you tried booting an older kernel?
[11:48] <WT-Udev> They may have clean initrds and if the rules on the hard drive are clean too it should work.
[11:48] <WT-Udev> At least long enough for you to regenerate the main initrd.
[11:48] <Hew> WT-Udev: I won't reinstall anything with udev 138-1. I'll probably use my Intrepid iso
[11:49] <Hew> and I only have the latest kernel
[11:49] <Hew> thanks for your help WT-Udev, I'm going to get some rest
[11:49] <Hew> nite all
[11:49] <WT-Udev> Night
[12:00] <transsoup> hi: "huge" problem jaunty doesn't boot anymore. Waiting for root file system /sys/devices/virtual/block/dm-0 (increasing number)
[12:01] <transsoup> mounting the lvm with a different (debian) system still works with no errors
[12:02] <WT-Udev> see 332270
[12:02] <WT-Udev> see bug 332270
[12:02] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/332270/comments/53
[12:02] <transsoup> thx a lot I'll take a look
[12:03] <WT-Udev> transsoup: you -may- be able to boot with an older kernel (because it may have an older initrd)
[12:06] <transsoup> WT-Udev: thx as soon as I'm able to install another kernel version to my jaunty lvm I'll give it a try
[12:07] <cumulus007> Who can tell me where I can find the project website of KPackageKit?
[12:08] <cumulus007> I want to translate it
[12:15] <WT-Udev> cumulus007: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kpackagekit/0.3.1+20081211-0ubuntu3 is incomplete...
[12:15] <cumulus007> thanks
[12:16] <WT-Udev> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KPackageKit?content=84745
[12:16] <cumulus007> It's upstream
[12:17] <WT-Udev> yes, shouldn't you submit translations to the source?
[12:17] <cumulus007> Of course, but I didn't know it is upstream ;)
[12:20] <idorock89> guys i dont seem to have the message indicator applet though i have the new notification and all
[12:20] <idorock89> and all the latest updates
[12:20] <idorock89> any idea why and how to get it?
[12:22] <WT-Udev> idorock89: wait... what exactly do you mean?  It's not in the taskbar anymore?  (that's normal, they screwed around with it)
[12:22] <idorock89> well i upgraded today and havent got it. i remember seeing it in marks mockup video
[12:23] <idorock89> or have not implemented it at all.
[12:23] <idorock89> that applet which is supposed to store all the notifications so taht they
[12:23] <WT-Udev> !updates
[12:23] <idorock89> can be reviewed if we missed them
[12:24] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945
[12:27] <idorock89> WT-Udev: no this si not what i am talking abt . see mark's mockupo there he gets im msg which then gets stored in a envelope shape looking applet in panel
[12:27] <savvas> Anyone using kvm and qemu emulator for a x86_64 debian? my installation stops at final step, grub installation (50%). Using qemu x86 emulator and a 32-bit debian works ok
[12:32] <BUGabundo> LOL #u-bugs is having a nice discussion on our bug 332945
[12:32] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[12:34] <WT-Udev> idorock89: actaully it's pointless to discuss it with me further.  I never use it or bother with that app.
[12:42] <BUGabundo> bbl
[13:33] <ripps> For the first time, a bug I filed and proposed a workaround for has been passed to upstream. Even cooler, it was passed by Mark Shuttleworth himself.
[13:34] <siegie> sounds cool :)
[13:35] <WT-Udev> Indeed.  What was the bug?
[13:40] <ripps> WT-Udev: https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/331383
[13:44] <Pici> Ooh. I was looking for that bug. /subscribed
[13:54] <idorock89> what package do i need installed if i want pidgin to display notfications?
[13:55] <syockit> they're not pushing the new notifier into jaunty as default, right?
[13:56] <idorock89> syockit: oh they definetely are
[13:56] <WelshDragon> idorock89, pidgin-libnotify
[13:56] <syockit> so far what is supported?
[13:56] <syockit> I know evolution is
[13:57] <idorock89> rythmbox,pidgin,network manager etc
[13:58] <idorock89> WelshDragon: what does pidgin-guifications do then?
[13:59] <idorock89> WelshDragon: i installed both and yet dont seem to get notifications with pidgin
[13:59] <WelshDragon> idorock89, not sure. I use pidgin-libnotify, that's what works with the notify-osd and should be installed by default for jaunty (bug 332719)
[14:00] <WelshDragon> idorock89, in pidgin, Tools > Plugins > Libnotify Popups
[14:00] <WelshDragon> Check it's ticked =)
[14:01] <ripps> Does anybody know if it's worth converting my filesystem to ext4 yet, or should I wait. Is it even worth it?
[14:03] <idorock89> WelshDragon: it is still no popups
[14:03] <idorock89> WelshDragon: never mind it does now
[14:03] <idorock89> thx
[14:04] <idorock89> anyidea if empathy will support it
[14:04] <idorock89> /join #telepathy
[14:05] <syockit> I wonder why there are so many projects registered on launchpad which do not fully utilize lp.net.
[14:08] <ronny> yo
[14:08] <ronny> my ubuntu still fails if tracker is generating high io loads in the background
[14:08] <ronny> (random apps hang at times)
[14:26] <Finnish> Whats a good tool to make mp3 from wav?
[14:27] <IntuitiveNipple> ffmpeg
[14:27] <Finnish> How?
[14:30] <WT-Udev> I rather like lame... but what you probably want is a frontend of some kind.  Finnish what are you trying to do in a more generic but larger context?
[14:31] <Finnish> Got it.. ffmpeg -i Apassi\ alku.wav -ac 2 -ab 192 Apassinalku.mp3
[14:40] <Finnish> Well whats a good GUI for lame?
[15:00] <scizzo-> Finnish: seems to be a program called soundconverter that works
[15:02] <serengeti> hi, I'm just curious if there's going to be a gui for installing fonts in jaunty?
[15:03] <WT-Udev> serengeti: I'm not sure about ubuntu, but gentoo has fonts in it's package management software.  Ubuntu might have the fonts in that as well.
[15:06] <serengeti> WT-Udev, there's fontypython which is a really nice app, but I think there should be some basic way to add a font to the system without having to download additional software
[15:06] <SiDi> soundconverter tends to fail at making ogg
[15:06] <serengeti> or play around with console
[15:06] <maco> you can just drop it into ~/.fonts
[15:06] <maco> like, in nautilus
[15:06] <SiDi> serengeti: in fact they're packaged.
[15:06] <SiDi> you should use font packages, or either put them in .fonts
[15:26] <serengeti> I see, thanks for the tip. (sorry for the delay ;)
[15:31] <jpedroza> Has anyone reported a bug with the current updates breaking all networking? I have lost eth0 as well as wlan0 connectivity.
[15:32] <charlie-tca> didn't break here
[15:34] <cwillu> something changed from 2.6.28-7 to 2.6.28-8 to make intel worse than it was (or rather, makes rendering performance horrible even on the -server kernels that didn't have that problem before)
[15:38] <SiDi> hey charlie-tca you're everywhere :)
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I monitor the channels I need
[15:40] <cwillu> can anyone check if the latest uswsusp's "sudo s2disk" segfaults immediately when run?
[15:40] <cwillu> (it'll get the chvt, and then crash, but chvt'ing back to 7 will work fine)
[15:43] <Laibsch> What is the current way to track bugs affecting jaunty?  The jaunty tag?  Nothing?
[15:43] <Laibsch> Seems like the latter to me.
[15:44] <maco> Laibsch: any bug reported is assumed to affect the current development release
[15:44] <maco> if it doesn't, it's closed as fix released
[15:45] <Laibsch> well, that is true
[15:45] <Laibsch> But doesn't help in testing out bugs specifically *known* to be in jaunty
[15:45] <maco> if it doesn't and there is the intention of fixing it in an older release, a task for the older release must be opened
[15:45] <maco> release notes?
[15:45] <Laibsch> maco, I've been triaging bugs for a long time
[15:45] <maco> ok
[15:45] <maco> so um....release notes?
[15:46] <maco> those list a few common annoying ones
[15:46] <Laibsch> I want the list that devs look and say "we need to fix *this* before release"
[15:46] <Laibsch> There are milestones
[15:46] <maco> but those arent what you want?
[15:46] <Laibsch> And I think that is a way some devs track it
[15:46] <Laibsch> I wouldn't set a milestone
[15:46] <Laibsch> I'd feel OK suggesting one, but not setting it
[15:47] <Laibsch> maco: Are you doing bug triaging for jaunty?
[15:48] <maco> a bit
[15:49]  * cwillu is buggled, why whould 2.6.28-8 break stuff, but not seem to have anything relevant in the changelogs?
[15:49] <Laibsch> Alright, fair enough.  How do you pick out the bugs you want to verify or wfm?  If you have no particular strategy, then maybe let somebody else answer.
[15:50] <cwillu> Laibsch, I typically poll the irc channels for issues people ask about, and look up relevant bugs, confirming or wfm'ing as appropriate
[15:51] <cwillu> Laibsch, on that note, mind installing uswsusp and checking if s2disk segfaults? :)
[15:51] <Laibsch> OK, working strategy, thanks for reporting
[15:51] <DrHalan> can i request a closed source package to be included into ubuntu?
[15:51] <Laibsch> cwillu: But not the one I want
[15:51] <cwillu> !restricted
[15:51] <Laibsch> cwillu: I want some list out of LP
[15:52] <Laibsch> DrHalan: the restricted answer from cwillu was directed at you
[15:52] <cwillu> but was unhelpful, and so I didn't point it out :p
[15:52] <DrHalan> cwillu:  the app is http://zattoo.com/de/download/linux?download=1
[15:52] <DrHalan> they already provide debs for ubuntu
[15:53] <cwillu> Laibsch, I presume you mean something more than https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?advanced=1
[15:54] <cwillu> new/incomplete with response is probably a reasonable start
[15:55] <cwillu> assignee:nobody might be relevant too
[15:55] <charlie-tca> cwillu: segfaulted for me
[15:55] <cwillu> charlie-tca, it did?  okay, it's not just me then :)
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, I just did it here on 64-bit
[15:56] <cwillu> they put a new version of uswsusp in, closing bug #132603
[15:56] <cwillu> bringing back s2ram, but completely breaking s2disk/s2both in the process
[15:58] <Laibsch> cwillu: That is not focused enough.  The relevant field seems to be "Nominated for Jaunty" as I was told in #ubuntu-bugs
[16:01] <BUGabundo> cwillu: hey... I'm affected by that!
[16:01] <BUGabundo> my s2disk is broken
[16:01] <cwillu> BUGabundo, yes, I just marked my bug as a duplicate of yours :p
[16:02] <cwillu> it was the upstream sync that broke it
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I think bug 331101
[16:02] <cwillu> as I said, I just marked mine as a duplicate of 331101 :p
[16:02] <BUGabundo> ah thanks
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I was going to test it again today, but it seems its not fixed yet
[16:02] <BUGabundo> mine could need a better description
[16:03] <BUGabundo> let me see what I can make of it, now that we now what is causing
[16:03] <BUGabundo> actually we only know what lead to it... not the prob inside it
[16:03] <cwillu> was a _big_ version jump though
[16:04] <BUGabundo> I don't care
[16:04] <BUGabundo> as long as it works
[16:04] <BUGabundo> kernel mode is SLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW
[16:04] <BUGabundo> I asked in the devel ML to improve that on koala
[16:05] <BUGabundo> got a single reply from maco
[16:05] <BUGabundo> :(((
[16:05] <BUGabundo> "they" just care for speed boots, not speedy resumes!
[16:05] <TuTUXG> ！332270
[16:05] <cwillu> bug #332270
[16:06] <WT-Udev> TuTUXG: a set of restoration instructions is being prepared by IntuitiveNipple right now
[16:07] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, i havent updated yet
[16:07] <TuTUXG> thanks anyway
[16:08] <srid> is there a command line cline to notify-osd? or a python wrapper?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> cwillu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-February/007165.html
[16:08] <srid> is notify-osd a replacement for libnotify?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> srid: no
[16:08] <srid> how do I use notify-osd myself in my programs?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> but libnotify is being patched to use it (libindicate0)
[16:09] <BUGabundo> srid: you can invoke it with
[16:09] <BUGabundo> notify-send
[16:09] <srid> BUGabundo: I don't have notify-send!
[16:10] <srid> there is `notification-properties', but no `notify-send'
[16:11] <srid> ok, it is in libnotify-bin
[16:11] <srid> nice
[16:12] <Pici> Its a cli tool
[16:14] <srid> hmm, no text wrap in notify-send
[16:19] <BUGabundo> great
[16:19] <BUGabundo> I have a BT GPS and can't pair it!!! Gnome BT ask me to enter a PIN on the GPS
[16:19]  * BUGabundo *stupid*
[16:21] <maxb> BUGabundo: It asks you to input a *generated* PIN? Or to enter the same PIN into gnome and the GPS?
[16:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Usually the default PIN is 0000 on GPS devices.
[16:27] <cwillu> well, uswsusp fails to build from source
[16:27] <cwillu> so, how we have a package at all, I'm not sure :p
[16:28] <cwillu> 'splash.c:104 error: too many arguments to function usplash_open'
[16:29] <cwillu> passes a mode, but the definition is void
[16:29] <IntuitiveNipple> cwillu: Was it originally copied across unchanged directly from Intrepid? I saw another package recently that FTBFS on Jaunty, but is in the Jaunty archive
[16:30] <cwillu> IntuitiveNipple, was 0.6 in jaunty, just got merged with debian up to .8 a month ago
[16:30] <cwillu> intrepid is still on .6
[16:31] <IntuitiveNipple> How about build- dependencies ? The same applies to them.
[16:32] <cwillu> I should have all the dependencies.  Doesn't look like one's missing from the error at least
[16:44] <BUGabundo> luckly there's a workaround https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-gnome/+bug/284994/comments/90
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> head count: how many of you are affected by bug 333366 ?
[17:30] <BUGabundo1> need a confirmation for seb128
[17:38] <DrHalan> hey, was teh new mixer-applet removed again?
[17:40] <cwillu> BUGabundo, debian's uswsusp package installs and works fine if you install libsplashy by hand first, as a workaround
[17:46] <danbhfive_jaunty> BUGabundo: well, Its a strange bug for me.     One way I get it is to switch focus from pidgin to firefox, then goto places and a folder.  Exactly every 3rd round of this, the window opens unfocused
[17:47] <danbhfive_jaunty> or maybe not
[17:48] <danbhfive_jaunty> maybe its every 4th time?
[17:48] <cwillu> btw, who was wondering about the alt-f1/f2 (apps menu and 'run') shortcuts the other day?
[17:52] <billybigrigger> opening a folder from places opens unfocused all the time for me
[17:52] <billybigrigger> seems every 3rd time for me it opens focused
[17:53] <danbhfive_jaunty> lol
[17:53] <billybigrigger> hmmmm nope
[17:53] <billybigrigger> nevermind, lol now they're opening all focused
[17:54] <billybigrigger> thats random, going from audacious to xchat, then places, then opening a folder.....sometimes opens unfocused..
[17:55] <billybigrigger> danbhfive_jaunty, hmmmm your right, about the 4th round for me is when it goes unfocused
[17:57] <billybigrigger> what a wierd bug....4 rounds of this, then 3, and 3, and 2
[17:57] <billybigrigger> it seems kinda random
[18:07] <maco> DrHalan: "again"?
[18:07] <maco> it was removed, yes....because it didnt offer a way to adjust individual channels, and it only worked for people using pulseaudio
[18:09] <DrHalan> hmm is there a way to install it anyways?
[18:11] <DrHalan> maco, or was it removed completely from gnome?
[18:11] <maco> its in upstream
[18:12] <DrHalan> so are there debs that make me get it back?
[18:16] <DrHalan> what do you mean with individual channles maco?
[18:16] <DrHalan> like PCM etc?
[18:35] <cwillu> DrHalan, it's still in the repo's, and I think it might still be installed by default, just not in the default layout of the panel
[18:35] <cwillu> afaik
[18:36] <DrHalan> hm i dont find it in the repos
[18:37] <DrHalan> actually there is /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 is taht the new one? But it seems to be al ib how do i start it?
[18:38] <DrHalan> well it seems to be  the old one :(
[18:43] <transsoup> I'm suffering from bug 332270. How can I reinstall jaunty - without losing all my data stored inside the crypto LVM? I ran update-initramfs inside a chroot from a rescue system and now the kernel doesn't ask for the crypto PW. after 3 min a initramfs shell is droped :-( Any help appreciated
[18:44] <WT-Udev> transsoup: you don't need to reinstall
[18:45] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: has a working temporary solution and method of getting in (t's slow but works)  Just read the very top of the bug page.
[18:45] <WT-Udev> ... transsoup Oh that's harder
[18:46] <WT-Udev> You've lost the cryptsetup part of the initrd?
[18:47] <WT-Udev> transsoup: the good news: Your data isn't -inherently- lost.  The -bad- news.  It's going to be difficult to get it back.  You'll have to operate from within a recovery CD/usb of some kind, and then -manually- open everything.
[18:47] <transsoup> yes - problem is the IntuitiveNipple workaround didn't work
[18:47] <WT-Udev> transsoup: do you have an older kernel?
[18:48] <transsoup> so I tried to install an older kernel from within a chrooted enviroment
[18:48] <IntuitiveNipple> transsoup: The chroot was run from a live-CD?
[18:48] <transsoup> no from another debian system on another HD
[18:49] <WT-Udev> transsoup: x.x That's what broke it... You have to use the ubuntu system's one.... wait... what kind of system setup do you have?
[18:49] <transsoup> and then from a live rescue cd
[18:49] <transsoup> okay I tried a few things - I think the initramfs is broken now
[18:50] <WT-Udev> Good news, you probably haven't broken it to the point of loosing your data -yet-
[18:50] <WT-Udev> The bad news.  You have to get inside of it manually
[18:50] <WT-Udev> What -exactly- is your partition layout?
[18:51] <transsoup> mom
[18:51] <WT-Udev> Example, mine:  sda4 == boot, sda3 -> LVM -> CryptoVolumes -> Unlocked devices.
[18:52] <transsoup> sda5 == boot       sda1 -> LVM -> Crypto
[18:54] <WT-Udev> Ok, you an boot a normal recovery dvd/cd/usb that knows about crypto, or work through this the same way you installed it (if the install disc doesn't have crypto support on it you install the packages from a network connection).  Once you've got that you can manually run the cryptsetup commands to unlock your devices.
[18:54] <WT-Udev> http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:_g97MMVRsJAJ:feraga.com/library/howto_use_cryptsetup_with_luks_support_0+debian+OR+ubuntu+luks+cryptsetup&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> The problem will be the initramfs build scripts didn't catch the crypto hook, and therefore the crypto binaries and scripts weren't added to the initrd
[18:54] <WT-Udev> luksOpen
[18:54] <WT-Udev> root@host:~$ cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop/0 testfs
[18:55] <WT-Udev> Replace the /dev/loop/0 and test with /dev/mapper/whatever whatever  << the whatever's being the cryptedLVM partition and then the mapper name you want your root partition to show up as.
[18:56] <transsoup> WT-Udev: thx a lot - this is what I've done already - IntuitiveNipple: how do I add those binaries?
[18:56] <WT-Udev> Then you can mount that someplace, and follow the normal chrooting steps to get back inside of it where you'll be able to FIX your initrd
[18:57] <transsoup> sry, but I haven't found a well documented explanation how to enable the ubuntu crypto lvm binaries and scripts into the initrd, yet :-(
[18:58] <WT-Udev> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config << THERE that's what I was looking for
[18:59] <IntuitiveNipple> transsoup: crypsetup package will install initramfs-tools hook scripts so that each time the initrd is updated, they check if the system is using crypto, and if so, install the scripts/binaries automatically
[19:00] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: that page I just linked... that even tells you how to chroot nicely
[19:00] <WT-Udev> Mostly
[19:00] <WT-Udev> It's missing things like the resolv.conf and possible hostname fixes
[19:01] <transsoup> and that's exactly the point where I'm stucked now, damn. I think I've done exactly those steps, but I'm not asked for the pw anymore :-( Okay thx a lot for your help - I'll try it again, perhaps I missed a step...
[19:02] <WT-Udev> transsoup: are you sure you're chrooted inside of your hard drive?
[19:02] <WT-Udev> aptitude reinstall lvm2 cryptsetup
[19:02] <transsoup> yep
[19:02] <WT-Udev> run that
[19:02] <WT-Udev> (in # (root) obviously)
[19:02] <transsoup> okay - I'll try
[19:02] <WT-Udev> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config <<  Then make sure the files it talks about after that are setup correctly, like /etc/crypttab
[19:02] <transsoup> found a "new" /etc/defaults/cryptmount ? which hasn't been on 8.10
[19:03] <WT-Udev> # update-initramfs -k all -c << then that
[19:03] <WT-Udev> I don't have a cryptmount there
[19:04] <WT-Udev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ << if it's not sensitive can you paste anything that's in there to here?
[19:04] <WT-Udev> Also...
[19:05] <WT-Udev> dpkg -S /etc/defaults/cryptmount
[19:06] <transsoup> thx again - I'll get back to you when the rescue system is up and running again...
[19:06] <WT-Udev> If you see something like this, that means you own the file: dpkg: /etc/crypttab not found.
[19:06] <WT-Udev> transsoup: I'll try to remain awake, if not, someone else can repaste the link
[19:07] <WT-Udev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122002/
[19:10] <WT-Udev> You know...
[19:10] <syockit> What's wrong with galago's implementation of notification daemon that made ubuntu opt for new OSD design?
[19:10] <WT-Udev> I've got the most terriable suspission that transsoup may have created a fresh initrd from whatever environment they were trying to chroot out of.
[19:33] <orbisvicis> hi, im trying to downgrade a package, no idea how to do it smoothly.. apt, dpkg .. or even some other tool
[19:34] <kuaera> orbisvicis: This is likely an issue for #ubuntu or #kubuntu, but I'm fairly certain that if you reference the exact version of the package, you can downgrade to that version
[19:34] <ikonia> orbisvicis: I'd suggest you re-install your system
[19:34] <kuaera> orbisvicis: i.e. apt-get install package-1.4.5
[19:34] <IntuitiveNipple> orbisvicis: apt-get install <package>=<version>
[19:34] <kuaera> IntuitiveNipple: Thank you
[19:34] <ikonia> orbisvicis: you have forced jaunty packages onto intrepid
[19:34] <ikonia> orbisvicis: your repos will be corrupted and dependencies will be out of sync
[19:35] <kuaera> ikonia: Where are you extrapolating this information from?
[19:35] <orbisvicis> ikonia: no forcing was done ...
[19:35] <ikonia> orbisvicis: I'd then strongly advise you not to mix packages out of different repos
[19:35] <ikonia> kuaera: he was asking in #ubuntu
[19:36] <kuaera> ikonia: Ah.
[19:36] <ikonia> orbisvicis: it must have been forced, as jaunty packages would complain of unmet dependencies on intrepid
[19:36] <orbisvicis> i just installed apache2 from jaunty and I didnt know how to get apt to see an older version to install
[19:36] <orbisvicis> ikonia: well yes I also built gcc/c-classpath/c-linker from jaunty but I want to keep those
[19:37] <orbisvicis> basically I built the entire tree to not force anything
[19:37] <ikonia> so you've messed up your install
[19:37] <orbisvicis> no...
[19:37] <orbisvicis> did I?
[19:37] <ikonia> you're going to have mixed package dependencies
[19:37] <ikonia> well you've just said you did ?
[19:38] <maxb> ikonia: You're being slightly over-alarmist with "<ikonia> orbisvicis: your repos will be corrupted and dependencies will be out of sync"
[19:39] <orbisvicis> what exactly do you mean by 'mixed package dependencies' and what could this lead to ?
[19:39] <maxb> system potentially broken? Yes. Corrupt "repos"? What's a "repos"?
[19:39] <sadam> is it a known issue to not have gnome-panel or nautilus running after login?
[19:40] <maxb> orbisvicis: apt-get install packagename/intrepid is likely the syntax you're looking for.
[19:40] <maxb> However, you MUST be aware that mixing packages from intrepid and jaunty repositories is *emphatically* not supported.
[19:40] <maxb> i.e. if if breaks, you get to keep the pieces :-)
[19:40] <orbisvicis> ; )
[19:40] <maxb> And don't expect support on fixing it
[19:41] <maxb> Are you running a mostly-jaunty system with a few intrepid pkgs? Or vice versa?
[19:41] <orbisvicis> what exactly could happen if I have both gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.3 and i try to upgrade (which I probably wont anyway)
[19:41] <orbisvicis> maxb: hardy with a bit of jaunty
[19:42] <maxb> !!!!
[19:42] <orbisvicis> >_>
[19:42] <orbisvicis> when I tried to upgrade feisty->hardy it didnt go so well, used space doubled
[19:42] <orbisvicis> so I manually upgrade packages I want now
[19:43] <WT-Udev> orbisvicis: you need to purge the old ones
[19:43] <maxb> orbisvicis: Well, see, this is the problem. No one tests upgrades from ambiguous mixed states. It *might* work, on  the other hand.... if it doesn't, it's up to you to fix it or reinstall
[19:43] <maxb> orbisvicis: waaait you tried to go directly feisty->hardy?
[19:43] <WT-Udev> Hum... that should be automatic though
[19:43] <orbisvicis> (the feisty upgrade was completely fesity, though granted I had installed lots of feisty packages)
[19:43] <maxb> Do you like playing with unsupportedness? :-)
[19:44] <transsoup> WT-Udev: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122008/ I created a new initramfs. Removed and backup the /etc/default/cryptmount file. Still: Gave up waiting for root device... The kernel doesn't ask for the PW to unlock the crypto lvm
[19:44] <orbisvicis> maxb: oh typo, and im forgetful with version numbers.. no it was feisty -> version after feisty
[19:44] <orbisvicis> gutsy?
[19:44] <maxb> yes
[19:44] <orbisvicis> heheh oh theyre alphebetical
[19:44] <WT-Udev> transsoup: are you inside the thing you're chrooting in from right now?  It's pointless to talk unless you have the chroot open. (or are trying to opne it)
[19:44] <kuaera> Intentionally, too.
[19:45] <ikonia> orbisvicis: I suggest you do a resinstall of a sane system
[19:45] <orbisvicis> ikonia: unfortunately ... remotely ... not really possible
[19:45] <WT-Udev> transsoup: what devices are sypposed to be crypted?
[19:45] <ikonia> orbisvicis: your doing this on a remote machine ???
[19:46]  * cwillu giggles
[19:46] <orbisvicis> unless I install in a chroot and replace the filesystem with the installation
[19:46] <orbisvicis> yep
[19:46] <WT-Udev> transsoup:  update-initramfs -k 2.6.28-generic -u -v
[19:46] <cwillu> orbisvicis, might I ask, (dear god) why?
[19:46] <orbisvicis> i want newer releases...
[19:46] <Pici> This is a trainwreck
[19:46] <WT-Udev> transsoup:  update-initramfs -k 2.6.28-generic -u -v   <<<   update-initramfs -k 2.6.28-generic -c -v   << Do the second one instead.  Tell me if it then works.
[19:46] <orbisvicis> i got stuck way back when with a release-based distro and now I dont have the time to switch
[19:47] <salty-horse> hi. I can't get my music player to mount automatically when connecting it, unless rhythmbox is working. I have set "ask me what to do when connecting a music player" in nautilus. any idea why that happens?
[19:48] <orbisvicis> maxb: in any case, theoretically, with gcc3.3 and gcc4.3 installed on the same system and I upgrade, what could theoretically happen?
[19:49] <maxb> It'll probably be fine.
[19:49] <WT-Udev> transsoup: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config << You will also want to make sure things are sane like this is saying.  It also explicitly tells you to put the mapper name in place of the device's uuid in your fstab.
[19:51] <orbisvicis> i mean, i see problems with modular packages like perl/python in which upgrading perl might break every module + every script that depends on every module ... so I dont do that
[19:51] <orbisvicis> but since gcc3.3 isnt in januty, the upgrade wont affect any gcc3.3 related packages, and only upgrade the gcc4.3 packages, so ill be fine
[19:51] <orbisvicis> theoretically/conceptually/if-i-ever-was-going-to-upgrade
[19:53] <cwillu> orbisvicis, python 2.4/2.5/2.6/3.0 are all installable concurrently
[19:53] <M25> anybody know if the gnome font display app is going to work in Jaunty?
[19:55] <orbisvicis> cwillu: but python3.0 conflicts with python-xml... b/c there really arent any modules for python3.0 avail. yet. So if I install python-default and set my default python to 3.0, probably python-pased packages will fail
[19:56]  * cwillu has both python3.0 and python-xml installed
[19:57] <orbisvicis> basically scripting languages updating != good b/c scripted programs arent built against a specific version and assembled to binary, but rather use the default interpreter
[19:57] <orbisvicis> cwillu: ??
[19:58] <orbisvicis> python-xml depends python >>2.60
[19:58] <orbisvicis> 2.6.x...
[19:58] <cwillu> and we aren't using python3.0 as the default python afaict
[19:59]  * cwillu doesn't have 2.6 installed, and removing 3.0 doesn't remove anything else
[20:00]  * orbisvicis is incredulous cwillu removed 3.0 on a whim
[20:01] <orbisvicis> ah well, ok thanks anyway
[20:01] <orbisvicis> now I know how to downgrade/regress a package
[20:01] <WT-Udev> orbisvicis: yeah... you have to specify a version
[20:03] <maxb> or a distro
[20:03] <cwillu> orbisvicis, you can mark a package for removal without actually removing it to check the dependencies, and you can do all sorts of things on a whim in a vm
[20:04] <transsoup> WT-Udev: okay I changed all the uuid to the dev mapper name, also the vol_id didn't change. Running  update-initramfs -k 2.6.28-generic -c -v  hopefully from inside the chroot: Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.28-generic. ls -la /lib/modules shows the directory
[20:04] <WT-Udev> transsoup: Sorry, try to use.... Ah right.
[20:04] <WT-Udev> This one is probably easy
[20:04] <transsoup> WT-Udev: hopefully ;-)
[20:05] <WT-Udev> You're chrooting, so uname -r won't work, because you're telling it ot use the kernel from the thing you're chrooting in from
[20:05] <WT-Udev> Are -all- your normal boot-menu entries broken?
[20:05] <WT-Udev> If that's the case, use the keyword all to have the initrd rebuilt for everything.
[20:05] <cwillu> orbisvicis, dpkg-divert is a good thing to have some familiarity with if you have to work with sketchy packages, allows you to prevent modifications to particular files, or at least hold the changes in a different file until you can check them (vaguely like how anything in /etc is handled by default)
[20:05] <WT-Udev> You might also want to: grep watch /lib/udev/rules.d/*
[20:06] <WT-Udev> if you have any matches that don't start with # you will need to fix those before making the initrd
[20:07] <WT-Udev> transsoup: If that still doesn't fix it, please use http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config and help from others to resolve things.  I've got to go to bed... I'm nodding off very badly.
[20:07] <orbisvicis> cwillu: like pacman.pacnew in the arch system ; )
[20:07] <orbisvicis> dpkg-divert and pacman are reasons ubuntu should go rolling
[20:07] <transsoup> WT-Udev: watch is already commented out. Thx again for your time!
[20:08] <WT-Udev> orbisvicis: I rather like gentoo's slots system.  though they require the use of a selector system to cope with switching system defaults for things like 'gcc'
[20:10] <orbisvicis> WT-Udev: wouldnt the changes be placed in /etc/default/file.new ... or whatever manages the switching
[20:10] <orbisvicis> btw, how do I find the package owning a particular file
[20:11] <WT-Udev> orbisvicis: no, I mean switching -slots- like having gcc 3.3 and 4.3 installed at the same time.
[20:12] <orbisvicis> oh, like an environment variable (slot) declaring which version of java you want ?
[20:12] <WT-Udev> I think it uses symlinks
[20:12] <orbisvicis> i dont know gentool, im sorry ; (
[20:12] <WT-Udev> but yeah
[20:12] <orbisvicis> *gentoo
[20:13] <orbisvicis> i kind of think using an env-var and then replacing the actualy binary with a script to select the current runtime to be a pain
[20:15] <WT-Udev> orbisvicis: it isn't an environment variable.
[20:16] <WT-Udev> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jan 25 03:39 /usr/bin/java -> run-java-tool
[20:16] <orbisvicis> whatever the implementation the distro devs still have to write their own selector
[20:16] <orbisvicis> oh..
[20:16] <orbisvicis> interesting
[20:17] <orbisvicis> well, its better than tacking an extra start-up script per package that uses java
[20:17] <WT-Udev> Just as an example, since I seem to only have one gcc
[20:17] <WT-Udev> anyway, 15 min later than I wanted, ngiht
[20:18] <transsoup> WT-Udev: Ah,ha after generating the initramfs doesn't contain the nessesary Cryptroot file which causes the problem   conf/conf.d/cryptroot - which is reported as bug 317442. Interesting. Have a good night!
[20:21] <Laney> text looks different somehow on Jaunty
[20:21] <Laney> what's changed?
[20:21] <bruce89> Laney: slight hinting?
[20:21] <Laney> I don't think so
[20:21]  * Laney changed it to full
[20:23] <Laney> it might even be a different font
[20:23] <bruce89> shouldn't be
[20:24] <Laney> I mean maybe it changed my profile or something
[20:24] <Laney> DPI? /me shrucs
[20:24] <Laney> g*
[20:24] <bruce89> a screenshot would be useful
[20:25] <Laney> I doubt it - it probably looks how it should
[20:25] <Laney> it's not bad, just different
[20:26] <bruce89> could be one of a lot of things anyway
[20:26] <Laney> quite
[20:27]  * bruce89 the noticed ligatures such as "fi" are smaller than they used to be
[20:34] <jonaskoelker> how do I see which of my installed packages are from jaunty?
[20:34] <bruce89> they should all be
[20:35] <jonaskoelker> not when I'm running jaunty-1 plus a few packages from jaunty
[20:35] <jonaskoelker> (jaunty-1 being intrepid)
[20:36] <bruce89> that doesn't sound like a good idea
[20:36] <jonaskoelker> right
[20:36] <jonaskoelker> that's why I want to know which packages are problematic so I can downgrade them
[20:36] <jonaskoelker> ...
[20:36] <jonaskoelker> such that I'll end up with a pure intrepid system
[20:36] <bruce89> perhaps aptitude may class them as locally created or something
[20:37] <jonaskoelker> uh... okay...
[20:37] <jonaskoelker> so how do I do it? ;-)
[20:37] <bruce89> $ aptitude
[20:37] <bruce89> !aptitude
[20:38] <maxb> apt-show-versions, also
[20:40] <bruce89> that looks more like it
[20:43] <jonaskoelker> meh
[20:43] <jonaskoelker> none of $(apt-show-versions | grep -v intrepid) have anything to do with my crashing
[20:43] <jonaskoelker> s/$/ firefox/
[20:43] <jonaskoelker> (apparently)
[20:44] <bruce89> I thought jaunty packages were the issue
[20:45] <jonaskoelker> I thought so to
[20:45] <jonaskoelker> based on a description of an identical problem someone posted on the web
[20:45] <jonaskoelker> :)
[20:47] <bruce89> !mixing
[20:48] <bruce89> !cocktails
[20:52] <jonaskoelker> my firefox crashes whenever I play flash video; here's some firefox output: http://rafb.net/p/eB2SJt64.html
[20:52] <jonaskoelker> it doesn't seem to happen with embedded wmv-files (which are played back with totem)
[20:53] <jonaskoelker> what gives?  How do I play flash stuff?
[20:53] <bruce89> where are your pulseaudio and firefox packages from
[20:55] <jonaskoelker> firefox/jaunty upgradeable from 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 to 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[20:55] <jonaskoelker> according to `apt-show-versions firefox`
[20:55] <Laney> xorg is chewing my CPU like it's going out of fashion
[20:56] <bruce89> jonaskoelker: get rid of the jaunty entries in sources.list
[20:56] <jonaskoelker> pulseaudio/jaunty upgradeable from 0.9.10-2ubuntu9.3 to 0.9.14-0ubuntu7
[20:57]  * Akgraner waves to BUGabundo   finally got a image to boot for me..:)
[20:58] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: humm please remind me of the background
[20:58]  * BUGabundo memory is empty
[20:58] <jonaskoelker> firefox/intrepid-security uptodate 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1
[20:58] <jonaskoelker> pulseaudio/intrepid-updates uptodate 0.9.10-2ubuntu9.3
[20:58] <Akgraner> BUGabundo: the Chronicles.....
[20:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:58] <bruce89> jonaskoelker: flashplugin-nonfree?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> the lovelly mum
[20:58] <BUGabundo> eehehh
[20:58] <BUGabundo> amber
[20:58] <Akgraner> BUGabundo: yes that is me....
[20:59] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: nice to meet u, irc to irc
[20:59] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[20:59] <jonaskoelker> flashplugin-nonfree/intrepid-security uptodate 10.0.15.3ubuntu1~intrepid1
[20:59] <BUGabundo> who is your Discovery going?
[20:59] <Akgraner> harder that I thought...
[20:59] <bruce89> jonaskoelker: nothing unusual there
[20:59] <BUGabundo> already decided between virtual machine or dual boot?
[20:59] <Akgraner> dual boot
[20:59] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: you come to the right place
[21:00] <Akgraner> but not today
[21:00] <BUGabundo> not that others would not be as good
[21:00] <Akgraner> :)
[21:00] <BUGabundo> sure... you have time
[21:00] <BUGabundo> took me years to use DB
[21:00] <BUGabundo> and you have been using a 3rd OS just for a few days
[21:00] <BUGabundo> its AMAZING what you have done
[21:00] <BUGabundo> already started using a cheat code document to store all usefull comands?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> all us GEEKs have one somewhere in some form
[21:01] <Akgraner> I looked through some wiki pages...
[21:01]  * bruce89 quite likes messaging
[21:01] <BUGabundo> hummm that will not sufice
[21:01] <bruce89> private that is
[21:02] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[21:02] <orbisvicis> how do i list packages installed on my system by release version ?
[21:02]  * BUGabundo wonders if bruce89 is telling me to shut up
[21:02] <jonaskoelker> so... what to do next?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> orbisvicis: dpkg -l ?
[21:02]  * Akgraner was wonder same thing...I am sorry
[21:03] <bruce89> och, I'm too evil
[21:03] <BUGabundo> I rather like doing this stuff in public... it's a bit noisy, but others can intervin and provide extra ideas
[21:03] <BUGabundo> either that, or I'm to used to µblogging
[21:03] <Akgraner> I can't keep pidgin up
[21:03] <Akgraner> I log in and it goes away
[21:03] <BUGabundo> by the way WHO in here on Identica?
[21:03] <orbisvicis> BUGabundo: what search string should i use to only list jaunty packages ?
[21:03] <Akgraner> akgraner
[21:03] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: humm bug with Pulse Audio?
[21:04] <BUGabundo> or some plugin you may have enabled
[21:04] <BUGabundo> pidgin is quite temperamental
[21:04] <bruce89> Empathy isn't
[21:04] <Akgraner> so I need to unplug something then...
[21:04] <BUGabundo> orbisvicis: don't you tell me you are using multiple sources !??!
[21:04] <BUGabundo> that's madness!
[21:04] <Akgraner> ok disable it is the right term the yes
[21:05] <bruce89> Ubuntu isn't like Debian where you can do that with unstable and experimental
[21:05] <BUGabundo> bruce89: empaty still doesn't do IRC (and yes I know that pidgin isn't supposed to be used with IRC)
[21:05] <BUGabundo> and I like pidgin better!
[21:05] <BUGabundo> I found in the likes of it!
[21:05] <bruce89> BUGabundo: that's interesting, I'm using Empathy right now
[21:05] <BUGabundo> empathy UI is not as good
[21:05] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:05]  * BUGabundo has to retest big E then!
[21:05] <bruce89> telepathy-idle by the way
[21:06] <orbisvicis> well, i might be a bit mad, but its probably a valid question
[21:08] <BUGabundo> orbisvicis: its RECOMMENDED that you just use on version
[21:08] <bruce89> orbisvicis: what's the question
[21:08] <BUGabundo> having multiple distro versions can and WILL cause big trouble
[21:08] <orbisvicis> id like to only show packages of a certain release
[21:08] <BUGabundo> on your system, correct?
[21:08] <orbisvicis> yep
[21:08] <BUGabundo> if not, visit package.ubuntu.com
[21:08] <BUGabundo>  !packages
[21:08] <bruce89> someone else mentioned apt-show-version
[21:09] <bruce89> s
[21:09] <biouser>  libgpod4-nogtk: Conflicts: libgpod4 but 0.7.0-1 is to be installed. libgpod4: Conflicts: libgpod4-nogtk but 0.7.0-1 is installed.
[21:09] <biouser> stopping my other updates...
[21:09] <bruce89> the apt:// url in KDE? Sounds nice (if GVFS did the same)
[21:10] <BUGabundo> bruce89: that will not list ALL packages
[21:10] <BUGabundo> biouser: you have to wait for it to finish building
[21:10] <BUGabundo> DON'T FORCE IT
[21:12] <bruce89> Debian would have need for something like this, as people use unstable with some experimental packages
[21:13] <BUGabundo> bruce89: I'm pretty sure APTITUDE can do it
[21:13] <bruce89> hang on
[21:14] <BUGabundo> so who is already in love with the new notifications
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ???
[21:15] <bruce89> BUGabundo: If you're being sarcastic, yes
[21:15]  * charlie-tca thinks it doesn't matter
[21:15] <orbisvicis> youre right, with selector systems this can be a bit of a pain
[21:16] <BUGabundo> bruce89: im not
[21:16] <BUGabundo> I like them
[21:16] <andersk> Somehow my dpkg managed to lose the state of all its diversions recently.  Anyone know what could have caused that?
[21:16]  * orbisvicis isstalking dangling symlinks
[21:16] <BUGabundo> andersk: humm you are screed sir
[21:16] <bruce89> BUGabundo: you like dialogues then?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: piece of advice: NEVER post long content of terminal to IM... it sucks
[21:18] <BUGabundo>  !paste Akgraner
[21:18] <BUGabundo> bad ubottu
[21:19] <Akgraner> BUGabundo: Ack
[21:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:19] <bruce89> I didn't see any "long content"
[21:20] <Akgraner> bruce89: it was quite just for you...:)
[21:20] <BUGabundo> bruce89: pvt... not in public channel
[21:20] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: just flooded me
[21:20] <bruce89> oh
[21:20] <BUGabundo> so, I had to come here to warn her
[21:20] <BUGabundo> hehe
[21:21]  * bruce89 thought that telepathy-idle had a flood remover
[21:21] <maco> i think we mentioned pastebin in -women before, but when it's in a PM it doesn't really disrupt everybody else...
[21:21] <BUGabundo> bruce89: Freenode has one too
[21:21] <bruce89> /nick plaque
[21:21] <bruce89> ha
[21:21] <BUGabundo> I get hit by it a loot
[21:22] <BUGabundo> when I do the wrong pidgin execution command
[21:22] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[21:22] <BUGabundo> empathy doesn't interpet irc commands
[21:22] <bruce89> I just wondererd
[21:22] <bruce89> with extra "er"
[21:22] <BUGabundo> maco: yeah, I just let Akgraner know about it again
[21:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:23] <BUGabundo> by the way, there's this wonderful app, called pastebinit
[21:23] <BUGabundo> Akgraner that will allow you to paste content of files to pastebin
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and give you back the link
[21:23]  * BUGabundo wonders if gnome do can do the same for PASTE content!?
[21:24] <maco> BUGabundo: there's a pastebin applet
[21:24] <maco> i think gwibber just crashed since i dont see its window anymore; however, i'm still getting gwibber notifications. freaky.
[21:24] <BUGabundo> is there?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> don't know about it
[21:24] <BUGabundo> maco notifications get in queue
[21:24] <BUGabundo> I get some even 15 min AFTER gwibber is closed
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I just kill notifications-osd a few times a day
[21:25] <BUGabundo> the 1000 queue is too big for IM
[21:26] <BUGabundo> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:27] <BUGabundo> UM no longer tells me the number of updates to be installed
[21:27] <BUGabundo> mvo please revert that....
[21:27]  * bruce89 always uses aptitude anyway
[21:29] <BUGabundo> bruce89: WHY?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> UM is so good...
[21:30] <BUGabundo> why do ppl like aptitude so much?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I'm more of an apt-get/cache kinda guys
[21:30] <bruce89> 'cause of its automatic dependency thingy
[21:31] <bruce89> I know apt has that a bit too, but I've used aptitude for years
[21:31] <BUGabundo> humm that's not aptitude
[21:31] <BUGabundo> that's the APT protocol
[21:31] <bruce89> !aptitude
[21:31] <BUGabundo> aptitute, aptget, UM, packagekit, are ALL front ends to it
[21:31] <BUGabundo> and to dpkg
[21:31] <bruce89> I know
[21:32] <crdlb> he means automatic depclean
[21:32]  * BUGabundo looks to chart about it
[21:32]  * BUGabundo recommends EVERYONE to read: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/
[21:33] <maco> crdlb: you mean like apt-get autoremove?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> maco: Akgraner: ^^^^^^^^^
[21:33] <bruce89> yup
[21:33]  * crdlb uses apt-get
[21:34] <maco> why is aptitude a front-end and apt-get isn't? is it because aptitude offers a tui?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> maco BOTH are front ends
[21:34] <SiDi> maco: no
[21:35] <BUGabundo> dpkg is the middlewere
[21:35] <SiDi> aptitude does the same thing except a few details
[21:35] <Akgraner> maco: BUGabundo thanks...
[21:35] <maco> apt-get is not listed in the front-end part of that chart
[21:35] <maco> though aptitude is
[21:35]  * BUGabundo checks again
[21:35] <maco> the tui is the only explanation i can come up with
[21:35] <SiDi> it doesn't have the source command (well, at least i didnt find it), and it removes unused packages after a package depending on them is removed
[21:35] <maco> aptitude sorts alphabetically!
[21:36] <maco> when you search
[21:36] <bruce89> aptitude has now a GUI too (in experiemental)
[21:36] <maco> O_O
[21:36] <maco> why?
[21:36] <bruce89> why not
[21:36] <crdlb> what kind of gui?
[21:36] <bruce89> GTK+
[21:37] <crdlb> that's funny
[21:37] <maco> because we already have a bunch of GUIs for it...
[21:37] <maco> they missed one: tasksel
[21:38] <bruce89> well, GTK+ and cwidget
[21:38] <maco> i think that's a frontend to dselect...right?
[21:39] <maco> seriously kmail, it'd be really nice if you could stop crashing
[21:40] <BUGabundo> maco good knews: it should be fixed in trunk
[21:40] <BUGabundo> just have to wait some k/ubuntu dev ports the patch
[21:40] <BUGabundo> 'cause upstream kontak will not patch 4.2
[21:40] <BUGabundo> :((((((
[21:41] <maco> AH!
[21:41]  * BUGabundo tips Akgraner: every advice started with '$' is meant to be executed on a terminal
[21:42] <BUGabundo> its a major bug and "they" don't fix it
[21:42] <maco> Akgraner: if it starts with #, that means it's supposed to be run as root, so use sudo
[21:42] <BUGabundo> maco: can you use your super powers (of persuation) to get one of our guys to backport it?
[21:42] <bruce89> tasksel appears to be a frontend to aptitude actually
[21:42] <Akgraner> wow
[21:42]  * BUGabundo maco I didn't know that abreviation!!!
[21:42] <BUGabundo> see Akgraner we all learn something
[21:43] <maco> BUGabundo: sudo -i, and you'll see it
[21:43]  * BUGabundo "Akgraner: says waiting for headers"
[21:44] <BUGabundo> humm where the heck does that happen?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> any idea guys?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> I just asked Akgraner to install pidgin-dbgsym
[21:45] <maco> apt-get update
[21:45] <maco> did you do that first, Akgraner?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:46] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pidgin-dbgsym
[21:46] <BUGabundo> maco: I guess her network is just slow
[21:48]  * BUGabundo loves the new vino server.... it has UPNP
[21:50] <bruce89> where Avahi already seemed to work
[21:52] <BUGabundo> does gdb show a copyright?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> Akgraner is seeing one every time she runs it
[21:52] <bruce89> yes
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I don't see it
[21:53] <ph03n1ks> can anyone help me with the jaunty alpha 4 netbook remix install?
[21:53] <maco> Akgraner: gdb? you're trying to read gdb output? *shudder*
[21:53] <Akgraner> maco: important word it trying...
[21:53] <bruce89> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122067/
[21:54] <maco> Akgraner: well good for you. i dont even try. im just like "yep. there's a backtrace. *attach to bug report* let someone else try to figure that out"
[21:55] <BUGabundo> maco: from my experience
[21:55] <maco> i never learned to use a debugger for any of the languages i use. i just printf and see when it stops printing
[21:55] <BUGabundo> pidgin devs really enjoy getting full bts
[21:55] <ph03n1ks> im trying to do the netbook remix install but the gui window is too big for the acer one screen, someone here suggested moving the screen with alt but that didnt work
[21:55] <BUGabundo> so I just wanna know if hers is the same as one of mine
[21:55] <maco> oh i submit the bt with the bug. ijust dont try to read it myself :P
[21:55] <BUGabundo> I don't either
[21:56] <Alexia_Death> Ok. time for another round of is it a known bug
[21:56] <BUGabundo> I'm just giving a ADVANCED crash course on out to use gdb
[21:56] <BUGabundo> gdb --args PROGRAM
[21:56]  * Alexia_Death just updated
[21:56] <BUGabundo> run
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bt full
[21:56] <Alexia_Death> Plasma not startig with KDE. Known or not?
[21:57] <Alexia_Death> Knetworkmanager broken(wont connect to anything, wireless anyway) known or not?
[22:00] <LLStarks|Bored> Is it just me, or is Jaunty being treated like a bastard son?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> LLStarks|Bored: big question: WHY?
[22:03] <LLStarks|Bored> It seems to be underdelivering.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: thank you so much for Confirming that annoying bug on gedit
[22:04] <LLStarks|Bored> Debian is holding back a lot of things.
[22:04] <LLStarks|Bored> And we aren't breaking off enough.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> why isn't there a bug for in on launchpad? doesn't anyone else get a crash after closing gedit (from cli) ?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> filling now a new bug against gedit
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ok bug filed against gedit
[22:08] <BUGabundo> should I file it against glibc6 too?
[22:08] <billybigrigger> bah what do i need to enable to have my ctrl-alt-bkspace active again?
[22:09] <cwillu> dontzap --disable in a console
[22:09] <billybigrigger> command not found
[22:09] <billybigrigger> even as root
[22:10] <bruce89> apt:dontzap
[22:10] <bruce89> och
[22:11] <ph03n1ks> can anyone suggest how i can get alpha 4 installed on my netbook?
[22:11] <ph03n1ks> the gui window is too big :(
[22:12] <cwillu> alt drag to move it as necessary
[22:12] <ph03n1ks> thats what someone said here yesterday, i tried alt but it dosent do anything
[22:12] <billybigrigger> alt clicking on the window should move it
[22:12] <cwillu> you know what we mean by that though?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> bug 333558
[22:13] <cwillu> alt-drag is a shortcut to moving the window
[22:13] <BUGabundo> Akgraner: I you want, you can subscribe to that bug too
[22:13] <ph03n1ks> do i have to click on a topbar or can i click on the body?
[22:13] <billybigrigger>   ph03n1ks body
[22:13] <ph03n1ks> ok, thanks, will try again,
[22:13] <cwillu> anywhere
[22:13] <billybigrigger> hold alt, click on the window and move it
[22:14] <billybigrigger> hold alt, and hold your mouse click too
[22:14] <cwillu> alternatively, changing the screen dpi in appearances -> fonts might make it small enough to view, although I don't know for sure that the it'll help
[22:14] <ph03n1ks> cool, thanks
[22:14] <cwillu> alt-middledrag will resize a window too :)
[22:14] <bruce89> found upstream
[22:15] <bruce89> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535241
[22:15] <BUGabundo> thanks bruce
[22:15] <BUGabundo> will link both
[22:15] <bruce89> I've done it already
[22:16] <BUGabundo> oh ok
[22:16] <bruce89> though this may not be the same issue based on the backtrace
[22:16] <BUGabundo> my 3G just went 2G
[22:16] <BUGabundo> so _everything is slowwwwwwwwww_
[22:16] <billybigrigger> anyone here running 9.04 on an ext4 partition?
[22:16] <bruce89> as of today, yes
[22:16] <billybigrigger> how much quicker is the boot time? im getting 0:25 on my ext3 install
[22:17] <bruce89> I don't know, I upgraded from ext3 in place
[22:17] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: if you have a free 200GiBs disk, send it my way, so I can backup and format mine
[22:17] <BUGabundo> lolol
[22:17] <billybigrigger> hehe
[22:17] <BUGabundo> bruce89: did you "thouched" all your files?
[22:17] <bruce89> I can't be bothered
[22:17] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:18] <BUGabundo> if they are needed, they will eventually be touched
[22:18]  * billybigrigger has a spare 500gb seagate 7200.10 PATA disk sitting here....doing nothing
[22:18] <BUGabundo> and then, performance will show
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ohh don't mock me!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I need that
[22:18] <BUGabundo> all my 4TiBs are fulled
[22:18] <BUGabundo> need to buy a new 1TiBs
[22:19] <billybigrigger> your desktop has 4tb of storage? you do lots of video work or what haha, or just a big movie collector?
[22:20]  * Alexia_Death is willing to bet BUGabundo has a decent p0rncollection :P
[22:21] <billybigrigger> hah
[22:21]  * charlie-tca got all the way up to a 400GB drive this month
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Alexia_Death: it aint that big!
[22:21] <BUGabundo> tv shows and movies is bigger
[22:22] <Alexia_Death> BUGabundo: On 4TB of space, 1/3 p0rn makes a lot of porn:P
[22:22] <SwedeMike> 1080p uses a lot of drive space
[22:23] <bruce89> Dirac springs to mind
[22:23] <Alexia_Death> almost nothing off the net is that quality
[22:23] <SwedeMike> and if you don't have a 1080p screen you probably don't want it anyway.
[22:24] <ph03n1ks> im back :(
[22:24] <ph03n1ks> alt didnt work for the netbook remix install
[22:24] <ph03n1ks> for moving the oversized window
[22:25] <Alexia_Death> You cant use the alternate installer?
[22:25] <ph03n1ks> whats the alternate installer?
[22:25] <ph03n1ks> is that txt mode?
[22:25] <Alexia_Death> yes
[22:26] <ph03n1ks> i cant remember the menu, is that available for the netbook remix?
[22:26] <Alexia_Death> I dont know...
[22:26] <Alexia_Death> Netbok remix has its own repros?
[22:27] <ph03n1ks> i dont know about repros, this is the alpha4 image i got from the cdimages place
[22:27] <bruce89> what kind of a window manager is that?
[22:27] <Alexia_Death> not a window manager
[22:27] <BUGabundo> bruce89: Maximized
[22:28] <BUGabundo> last time I talked to ogra
[22:28]  * bruce89 has no knowledge of netbooks
[22:29] <Alexia_Death> If you only have a CD image youll just have to see if you have the alternate installer there. I havent installed my ubuntu off CD since I installed thiis machine. with a broken edgy netinstall using feisty repros.
[22:30] <ph03n1ks> ok, ill reboot again and see if there is a txt install, brb
[22:34] <kane77> I just read about new notification in 9.04 is it already in? (I am running 9.04 in vbox, but haven't updated in a while)
[22:36] <charlie-tca> kane77: yes, they are already in
[22:36] <kane77> wohooo.. am updating now
[22:36] <ph03n1ks> back again :(
[22:37] <ph03n1ks> no text mode available on the netbook remix image.
[22:37] <kane77> it is great, I think something like that is needed in linux, to unify all the popups
[22:37] <ph03n1ks> is there a dedicated channel or something for the netbook remix?
[22:37] <ph03n1ks> this seems lke a big problem imo...
[22:38] <charlie-tca> ph03n1ks: you could try in #ubuntu-installer, since the installer seems broken
[22:38] <ph03n1ks> ok, thanks will try and join that now
[23:05]  * billybigrigger is tempted to go try out a fresh ext4 install
[23:14] <teh_plague> hi
[23:14] <teh_plague> can someone tell me why jaunty switches between mysql 5.0 and 5.1 so often in the past weeks?
[23:16] <bugabundo> nope
[23:16] <bugabundo> didnt see anything on the team meetings
[23:16] <bugabundo> maybe this week will let us know a bit more
[23:16] <teh_plague> it stopped some days ago
[23:17] <teh_plague> but before there were at least 3 switches in each direction
[23:17] <bugabundo> didnt noticed
[23:19] <bruce89> bad planning, look at mysql-server's version number
[23:19] <bruce89> 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu6
[23:20] <bruce89> there should be a sort of soft epoch thing for Ubuntu
[23:21] <teh_plague> i updated the system two hours ago, mysql-common is the only package with that version number
[23:21] <teh_plague> mysql-server has 5.1.31-1ubuntu1
[23:24] <teh_plague> btw, mysql itself is really version 5.1, so i'm really wondered why mysql-common still has this versioning
[23:30] <cafuego> billybigrigger: be careful; my install stopped mounting root when i added it as ext4 with noextents
[23:32] <bruce89> I've had no problems with ext4 with extents
[23:38]  * cafuego doesn't want to use it withe xtents, as that would then prevent fedora, debian and windows from moutning the fs
[23:45] <bruce89> fair enough
[23:50] <maco> how do i get my pidgin buddy list?
[23:51] <markginter24> just installed Jaunty and after updating the System-->Logout/Shutdown options disappeared - is this just a broken package?
[23:51] <bruce89> markginter24: nope, it's gone now
[23:51] <maco> i can tell pidgin's running because i'm getting notifications
[23:51] <maco> however, pidgin is not in my alt+tab
[23:51] <markginter24> bruce89 - so it's a 'feature'?  Hmmm...
[23:52] <charlie-tca> could come back in a day or two, though
[23:52] <bruce89> markginter24: allegedly fusa "replaces" it
[23:52] <maco> markginter24: its in FUSA
[23:52] <markginter24> what's fusa?
[23:52] <maco> the fast user switch applet
[23:52] <markginter24> oh - that fusa
[23:52] <bruce89> fast-user-switch-applet, Ubuntu messed it up big time
[23:52] <markginter24> I usually remove that from my panel --
[23:53] <markginter24> but I've had to keep it there because the shutdown/restart option disappeared
[23:53] <bruce89> its main purpose would be pointless with the new GDM anyway
[23:53] <markginter24> how soon will the 'new' gdm hit the street...?
[23:53] <bruce89> never probably in Ubuntu
[23:53] <BUGabundo1> maco those are CACHED notifications
[23:54] <markginter24> eh?  b/c of this fusa?
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> kill notification-osd
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> and you will be fine
[23:54] <bruce89> there were regressions, loads of features removed
[23:54] <maco> BUGabundo1: no, i just rebooted, remember?
[23:54] <bruce89> Fedora uses it anyway
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> markginter24: there is a version for testing in a PPA
[23:54] <crdlb> fedora used it even before gnome released it
[23:54] <BUGabundo1> should be in koala (jaunty+1)
[23:54] <maco> BUGabundo1: i booted up, launched pidgin. no windows ever opened. i did begin to get pidgin notifications though.
[23:55] <BUGabundo1> maco: pidof pidgin ?
[23:55] <markginter24> got a quick link BUGabundo1?  I'm not afraid to break things :)
[23:55] <maco> 12286
[23:55] <maco> i can *receive* IMs
[23:55] <BUGabundo1> markginter24: no Im sorry... its on the devel-discuss ML
[23:55] <markginter24> oh
[23:55] <maco> but i cant reach the buddy list to send new ones
[23:55] <BUGabundo1> maco log in into gnome
[23:55] <BUGabundo1> eheheheheheheeeheheheheheeeheh
[23:55]  * BUGabundo1 ducks
[23:56] <crdlb> btw, will there be any way to switch off notify-osd?
[23:56] <markginter24> I must say I like the transition from boot to GDM - desktop in Fedora 10 - but the ati driver on my laptop is too unstable
[23:56] <bruce89> crdlb: not as such
[23:56] <crdlb> like uninstall something, install something else ...
[23:57] <Stralytic> crdlb, gnome-stracciatela-session
[23:57] <maco> use the gnome vanilla system
[23:57] <maco> its some italian name
[23:57] <maco> there we go
[23:57] <bruce89> crdlb: see that package which ends in session, with an unpronounceable name at start
[23:58] <bruce89> I might use that normally if they insist with this notification nonsensce
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> I like it
[23:58]  * BUGabundo1 hands the postal address to get his check for making free pun
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> *pub
[23:59] <bruce89> I don't mind the black boxes, but dialogues are bloody barmy
[23:59] <crdlb> I don't like that they're empty :<
[23:59] <maco> bruce89: strack-ee-a-TELL-a ...i think