| dashua | _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1.1235355588.png | 02:20 |
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| * _MMA_ clicks | 02:20 | |
| dashua | Better or worse? IYO | 02:20 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I'm diggin' that man. | 02:21 |
| dashua | Dark panel, lighter menus | 02:21 |
| dashua | Sweet | 02:21 |
| _MMA_ | I like the color variance between things. Light menu. Grey window and dark panel. Nice. | 02:22 |
| _MMA_ | Really, I think I'd like to use this with my alternative-desktop project once I get a little more of that worked out. | 02:22 |
| dashua | I have a mod with dark menus sort of like Dust, but Oo menubar us giving me issues | 02:23 |
| dashua | Awesome :) | 02:23 |
| dashua | Should I throw this one the wiki as an alternate version or make this the main and the lighter panel darker menus the mod? | 02:24 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I'm using this with Dust atm. I'm emailing the artist for a hires one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stitch/3079514354/sizes/o/ | 02:24 |
| dashua | Ah that's nice. | 02:25 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I would make this the main one. I think it is an improvement. But that's just me. :P | 02:25 |
| dashua | Yeah, same here. | 02:25 |
| dashua | Just wanted some other opinions. Thx. | 02:26 |
| _MMA_ | np | 02:26 |
| dashua | That start here icon Sebastien just posted is hot. | 02:27 |
| _MMA_ | Reminds me of the one used in KDE4 but that's fine. We'll see where he goes with it. | 02:27 |
| dashua | i like the black Ubuntu logo. | 02:28 |
| dashua | I always liked that on other icon themes. | 02:28 |
| dashua | Breathe is really picking up a buzz, that's great. | 02:29 |
| _MMA_ | You seen it mentioned anywhere else? | 02:35 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: ^^^ (forgot to use your name to highlight you) :P | 02:37 |
| dashua | Yeah, all over the art pages (GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.) | 02:38 |
| dashua | People are really digging it asking where to get it. | 02:39 |
| dashua | Now with the PPA it'll be easier to direct them. | 02:39 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Yeah. I still gotta solidify my workflow. Making updates to trunk, then go to the packaging branch that end up in the PPA. I might have to script something. | 02:40 |
| dashua | Yeah, most build average users don't know how to build things, so this it'll be good. (packages) | 02:41 |
| Cimi_ | which features I will implement in murrine tomorrow? any ideas? | 03:04 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi_: Have Murrine was my car and find me a job. | 03:12 |
| _MMA_ | s/was/wash | 03:13 |
| Cimi_ | ok no features for you :) | 03:17 |
| _MMA_ | hehe | 03:19 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Try this one as a background. http://www.flickr.com/photos/georgesgewels/2445842640 | 03:24 |
| dashua | Cimi_: How about shadows/gradients beneath progressbars and radio/checkbuttons like in MODERN Nodoka, that possible? | 03:27 |
| dashua | _MMA_: That's nice. | 03:27 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: When can I test what you're currently working on? | 03:29 |
| dashua | I'm working on it now. I lost my glazestyle on the selected items on the lighter menu. Trying to see what I messed up here. | 03:30 |
| _MMA_ | np. I'm just getting a little inspired for alt-desktop here. If you're ok with it, I'd like to use your new work. | 03:32 |
| dashua | Yeah, np. I'd be delighted. Just trying to work a few tweaks. :) | 03:34 |
| Cimi_ | dashua, murrine already has shadows and gradients on those widgets | 03:44 |
| dashua | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Nodoka%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Widget_02012009.png | 03:45 |
| dashua | Like that? I may need to mess with some settings. | 03:46 |
| Cimi_ | in murrine they are much more subtle | 03:46 |
| dashua | If you zoom in on it, looks like it's tilted or something. | 03:47 |
| dashua | Like a 3d effect. | 03:47 |
| dashua | Ah alright. | 03:47 |
| rsc___ | :D | 06:18 |
| _MMA_ | throwil: Where did you get the ratio numbers you posted? Because, 2560x1600 and 1920x1200 are 16:10. (a small detail as long as people just use the X&Y sizes to create) | 13:49 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: quoting myself:"8:5 is often given as 16:10 ..." | 13:56 |
| _MMA_ | Weird. It's obviously half but here (states) I've never seen it posted that way. | 13:57 |
| _MMA_ | I guess people are so used to 16:9, 16:10 gives a more obvious mental picture. 16:9, but a little bigger. | 13:58 |
| thorwil | yep | 13:59 |
| thorwil | but i dislike inconsistencies :) | 13:59 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Around? | 14:35 |
| thorwil | discussing mailing list options, great | 19:01 |
| _MMA_ | I know. I know. | 19:02 |
| * _MMA_ shakes head. | 19:02 | |
| thorwil | nice lack of quotation markup in dilomo's mail | 19:02 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i can't imagine that it was directed to Sebastian. but it's a trainwreck of a message. he should leave that to our fail guys | 19:08 |
| _MMA_ | hahaha | 19:10 |
| _MMA_ | That's why I mentioned "I hope you just quoted something out of order." | 19:11 |
| * thorwil sends mail to Anton, regarding quotations | 19:57 | |
| _MMA_ | He's a gmail user and he's the only one I seen that happen to. I don't know what he's doin' different. | 19:58 |
| * _MMA_ thinks he's gonna take a year or so away from Ubuntu and learn Blender. | 20:01 | |
| thorwil | 1 year for Blender? mwuhahahaha | 20:01 |
| thorwil | plan for the "or so" | 20:02 |
| _MMA_ | I didn't say I'd be a guru or anything. :) Just as things are, I can't even get started. | 20:02 |
| _MMA_ | Hell, I'd go to school for it if there were local clasess. | 20:03 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: i learned mayn apps by simply fooling around with them. the notable excpetions are solidworks and blender | 20:04 |
| thorwil | for solidworks, i needed a little push to understand the basics | 20:04 |
| thorwil | and for blender i had to go through an introductionary tutorial | 20:05 |
| thorwil | and would need to read docs/tuts for anything new i havn't done before ... | 20:05 |
| _MMA_ | I'm also looking into Blender for video editing. I think it's actually the best thing we got atm. I made a .deb that launches Blender with a custom layout and menu entry. | 20:05 |
| thorwil | well, you read troy's blog, right? | 20:06 |
| _MMA_ | (.deb that installs a setup that is) | 20:06 |
| _MMA_ | Not lately. I got the .blend file from him for the UI. | 20:07 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: prepare ... take a deep breath ... | 20:11 |
| _MMA_ | ... | 20:12 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: the reason for Anton's lack of > is ... Outlook | 20:12 |
| _MMA_ | Nooo....... | 20:12 |
| _MMA_ | hehe :) | 20:12 |
| thorwil | windows because of autocad | 20:13 |
| _MMA_ | At *least* use Tbird. :P | 20:13 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Sure. Even I got XP around for a couple of apps. But unless Im usin' them Im in nix. | 20:13 |
| _MMA_ | Man. I can't think of 1 person I know that uses Outlook outside or the office. :) | 20:15 |
| _MMA_ | s/or/of | 20:15 |
| * thorwil passes on the thunderbird suggestion | 20:16 | |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Thunderbird imports Outlook accounts won't it? | 20:21 |
| thorwil | could be | 20:22 |
| dashua | _MMA_: Sup mate? | 21:08 |
| dashua | Just got home, finishing some final touches on Miu and I'm going to upload it. | 21:09 |
| SiDi | hey dashua, you're the one working on Miu ? :) | 21:12 |
| dashua | SiDi: Yes, I'm changing to a dark panel and some other tweaks. | 21:13 |
| SiDi | Well, i'd like to know then | 21:13 |
| SiDi | Could you look into an issue i'm having with Miu ? it really renders badly with Thunar | 21:13 |
| dashua | Screenshot? | 21:13 |
| SiDi | sec | 21:14 |
| SiDi | Also, i made an xfwm for it | 21:14 |
| SiDi | i posted the link on the mailing list and in gnome-look.org | 21:14 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Yo. When you get a min, I'd like to tinker with what you're working on. (just test here to get an idea of some things) | 21:15 |
| SiDi | Damn i don't have Miu's gtk in my Intrepid distro | 21:15 |
| dashua | _MMA_: Sure. Want me to send you what I have? | 21:15 |
| dashua | It's pretty much complete I'm just playing with BG[SELECTED] on the dark panel | 21:16 |
| dashua | Looks pretty good so far. | 21:16 |
| dashua | For the menubar. | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: coryisatm@ubuntu.com | 21:17 |
| dashua | _MMA_: One sec :) | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | Take your time. | 21:17 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I'm gonna rename it locally so I can install it in parallel. | 21:18 |
| dashua | Sure | 21:18 |
| dashua | Np | 21:18 |
| SiDi | Uploadin | 21:19 |
| SiDi | When i was in jaunty it was even more blatent, but still : http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miuthunar.png i'm using murrine SVN | 21:20 |
| SiDi | i might make a screen of nautilus/thunar next to each other next time i'll boot on jaunty so that you can see | 21:20 |
| SiDi | the icons in thunar are just almost twice as big as in nautilus | 21:21 |
| dashua | SiDi: That is fixed in the update. | 21:21 |
| dashua | Icon sizes. | 21:22 |
| SiDi | ah great then :) | 21:22 |
| dashua | _MMA_: Sent. | 21:22 |
| SiDi | also, would you mind including the xfwm ? that'd be cool for xfce users | 21:22 |
| dashua | SiDi: Sure, I'm not an XFCE user but I should be able to figure it out. :) | 21:22 |
| SiDi | thanks ;) | 21:23 |
| SiDi | http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=99823 i packaged it here | 21:23 |
| dashua | Ok, will look into tonight. | 21:23 |
| SiDi | if there are any changes in the metacity i'll just change the xfwm too. Anyways i have to redo it with a bigger height | 21:24 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Oh hell. What engine does this use? | 21:26 |
| dashua | Murrine | 21:26 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... | 21:26 |
| dashua | Anything over 130 something should work. | 21:26 |
| * SiDi wants an @ubuntu.com address too .. :) | 21:26 | |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Says it wants a theme called "CLASSIC". | 21:27 |
| dashua | Hrm, that's a mod of the metacity | 21:27 |
| dashua | Maybe the index is borked. | 21:27 |
| _MMA_ | I'm running studio so it's a little more bare-bones than Ubuntu. I thought I might be missing a depend. | 21:28 |
| dashua | What murrine version? | 21:29 |
| dashua | You definitely need a newer murrine package. | 21:29 |
| SiDi | If i remember well, on jaunty, with the murrine svn PPA enabled, i was having trouble with it too | 21:29 |
| SiDi | i just removed the index.theme and then it worked | 21:29 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: That's it. I'm running the repo version of Murrine. Got a link to a new .deb? | 21:29 |
| dashua | I'll have to make a new index then | 21:30 |
| dashua | Sure | 21:30 |
| SiDi | is the repo one actually the 139 ? | 21:30 |
| _MMA_ | It's murrine .60 here. | 21:30 |
| dashua | https://launchpad.net/~suraia/+archive | 21:30 |
| dashua | I'm on revision 143 | 21:30 |
| dashua | Dotted focus is gone :) | 21:30 |
| dashua | But the gtkrc should still work with that PPA | 21:31 |
| * _MMA_ sits back and watches him screw the Studio theme up. | 21:32 | |
| dashua | SiDi: Ha, yeah it will bork it, maybe. | 21:33 |
| dashua | Or you'll get a deprecation warning | 21:33 |
| SiDi | Well i was having a weird message with the index.theme, involving this line | 21:33 |
| SiDi | and when i removed it, the theme was available in the "customise" theme menu, but not in the appearence window | 21:33 |
| SiDi | though it was working | 21:34 |
| dashua | I guess I should those XFCE panel tweaks as well for the dark panel. | 21:34 |
| dashua | add* | 21:34 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: What is the classic theme? Part of GNOME themes or is this your index.theme issue? | 21:35 |
| dashua | It's the metacity theme name. I need to rename it. | 21:35 |
| SiDi | you can inherit metacity themes ? Oo | 21:36 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I think it needs a bit to tie in the brown. I'd play with making the menu highlights brown as well as the space between the buttons and the far left on the metacity. | 21:43 |
| * _MMA_ also doesn't know about the orange text on tabs. | 21:43 | |
| dashua | Yeah. | 21:44 |
| dashua | I'm torn with the orange. I like it sometimes and other times I play with black. | 21:44 |
| SiDi | Ah, the orange text on tabs isnt normal ? | 21:44 |
| dashua | Normal for now until we modify it. | 21:45 |
| SiDi | Okey | 21:45 |
| _MMA_ | Now the orange on the menu I don't feel real strong about it's just a idea but I think if you could make just that little space in the metacity match the panel that might be cool. | 21:45 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: I like how the area with the buttons is squared off or looks to lean out from the titlebar. | 21:46 |
| dashua | Okay. | 21:46 |
| dashua | Thx. | 21:47 |
| dashua | The theme is pretty much complete absent the color scheme tweaks and text. | 21:47 |
| dashua | It's pretty responsive too, not that matter too much. | 21:47 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: There's also an issue on roll up. There's a 2px or so line at the bottom that doesnt go to the very ends. | 21:48 |
| dashua | Ah alright. | 21:49 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Your bottom corners, the round parts, also need to have the same grey line go from the side to the bottom. Right now, the frame looks broken. | 21:50 |
| dashua | I'm actually using Impression's metacity now. I think that has some potential if the button issues are worked out. | 21:50 |
| dashua | The bottom right and left corners seemed a bit off to me. | 21:50 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. Looks like the corners are nipped off. | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: And don't get me wrong. I think this has alot of potential. God. If people only knew how much tinkering went into the Studio theme. Back and forth. Back and forth. | 21:52 |
| dashua | Yeah. I know. People will never understand. | 21:53 |
| dashua | It's is a lot work. You change one thing, it messes up something else. | 21:53 |
| _MMA_ | Yes sir. | 21:53 |
| dashua | Just let me know, and I'll tweak it up. | 21:53 |
| dashua | It seems like people may actually like and use this theme if I get it right. | 21:54 |
| _MMA_ | Well the note above are all Ill do for now. :) Don't wanna overwhelm ya. :) | 21:54 |
| dashua | Alright | 21:54 |
| SiDi | _MMA_: do you actually work at Ubuntu ? Just curious | 21:55 |
| dashua | I just want to make sure I keep it warm and it says "Ubuntu" to some extent. | 21:55 |
| SiDi | gd night | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | SiDi: I started Ubuntu studio and am currently it's lead artist. I handed over the main reigns at the start of Jaunty. I know Ken pretty well. Now a bunch of Ubuntu folks. But to answer directly, I have only contributed little pieces to Ubuntu proper. | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | Oh well. | 21:58 |
| * dashua heard you :) | 21:59 | |
| _MMA_ | :P | 22:00 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: You know how you hit a menu option and it turns Orange with the menu below? | 22:00 |
| dashua | On the Menu Bar (Upper left) | 22:01 |
| dashua | ? | 22:01 |
| _MMA_ | The menu. | 22:01 |
| dashua | That is what I'm toying with. | 22:01 |
| _MMA_ | File Edit Blah blah blah | 22:01 |
| dashua | I tried black, but this gives now action | 22:02 |
| dashua | Ah | 22:02 |
| dashua | Yeah | 22:02 |
| _MMA_ | I think the bottom of the orange button things looks odd with rounded bottom corners. It's like a button on top of a menu. Doesnt flow well. | 22:02 |
| dashua | Ok | 22:02 |
| * _MMA_ fires up gedit. | 22:02 | |
| dashua | Let me mess with that and the color. | 22:02 |
| dashua | The button should be an easy fix with roundness | 22:03 |
| dashua | menu_item fixes the roundness issue | 22:05 |
| dashua | Maybe 1 or 2? | 22:05 |
| dashua | was 3 | 22:05 |
| _MMA_ | Maybe: menubaritemstyle = 1 | 22:06 |
| dashua | style "menu_item" { | 22:07 |
| dashua | Yeah, that does it. | 22:08 |
| dashua | 1 and 2 look decent. | 22:08 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: No. That should effect the hightlight over a menu option. | 22:08 |
| dashua | 3 was too round. | 22:08 |
| _MMA_ | We're talking about 2 different things. | 22:08 |
| dashua | Ah | 22:08 |
| _MMA_ | Change line 96, then click on the menu in a app. | 22:09 |
| dashua | I thought you were talking about the orange highlight on the menubar. | 22:09 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: But I think changing those 2 settings actually look better. | 22:11 |
| dashua | Yeah, it does | 22:11 |
| dashua | "menu_item" roundness = 1 looks good with menubaritemstyle = 1 | 22:13 |
| dashua | _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-2.png | 22:21 |
| * _MMA_ clicks | 22:24 | |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Yeah. Thats what I got here. I edited the file. | 22:25 |
| dashua | Kk | 22:25 |
| _MMA_ | dashua: Hmm... I dont have the same amount of padding as you in the metacity. Much thinner. I think it's because of some Studio settings. | 22:26 |
| dashua | I will work on the metacity a bit more. That was something new for me. | 22:28 |
| _MMA_ | np. | 22:28 |
| * _MMA_ takes a break for a bit. (I got a headache) | 22:28 | |
| dashua | Yeah, np | 22:29 |
| mib_5ueehj | hi, is there a list of current proposals, and maybe votes for current proposals of jaunty artwork? | 23:01 |
| mib_5ueehj | how is it decided what the art will be? | 23:01 |
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