[02:20] _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1.1235355588.png [02:20] * _MMA_ clicks [02:20] Better or worse? IYO [02:21] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm diggin' that man. [02:21] Dark panel, lighter menus [02:21] Sweet [02:22] <_MMA_> I like the color variance between things. Light menu. Grey window and dark panel. Nice. [02:22] <_MMA_> Really, I think I'd like to use this with my alternative-desktop project once I get a little more of that worked out. [02:23] I have a mod with dark menus sort of like Dust, but Oo menubar us giving me issues [02:23] Awesome :) [02:24] Should I throw this one the wiki as an alternate version or make this the main and the lighter panel darker menus the mod? [02:24] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm using this with Dust atm. I'm emailing the artist for a hires one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stitch/3079514354/sizes/o/ [02:25] Ah that's nice. [02:25] <_MMA_> dashua: I would make this the main one. I think it is an improvement. But that's just me. :P [02:25] Yeah, same here. [02:26] Just wanted some other opinions. Thx. [02:26] <_MMA_> np [02:27] That start here icon Sebastien just posted is hot. [02:27] <_MMA_> Reminds me of the one used in KDE4 but that's fine. We'll see where he goes with it. [02:28] i like the black Ubuntu logo. [02:28] I always liked that on other icon themes. [02:29] Breathe is really picking up a buzz, that's great. [02:35] <_MMA_> You seen it mentioned anywhere else? [02:37] <_MMA_> dashua: ^^^ (forgot to use your name to highlight you) :P [02:38] Yeah, all over the art pages (GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.) [02:39] People are really digging it asking where to get it. [02:39] Now with the PPA it'll be easier to direct them. [02:40] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. I still gotta solidify my workflow. Making updates to trunk, then go to the packaging branch that end up in the PPA. I might have to script something. [02:41] Yeah, most build average users don't know how to build things, so this it'll be good. (packages) [03:04] which features I will implement in murrine tomorrow? any ideas? [03:12] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Have Murrine was my car and find me a job. [03:13] <_MMA_> s/was/wash [03:17] ok no features for you :) [03:19] <_MMA_> hehe [03:24] <_MMA_> dashua: Try this one as a background. http://www.flickr.com/photos/georgesgewels/2445842640 [03:27] Cimi_: How about shadows/gradients beneath progressbars and radio/checkbuttons like in MODERN Nodoka, that possible? [03:27] _MMA_: That's nice. [03:29] <_MMA_> dashua: When can I test what you're currently working on? [03:30] I'm working on it now. I lost my glazestyle on the selected items on the lighter menu. Trying to see what I messed up here. [03:32] <_MMA_> np. I'm just getting a little inspired for alt-desktop here. If you're ok with it, I'd like to use your new work. [03:34] Yeah, np. I'd be delighted. Just trying to work a few tweaks. :) [03:44] dashua, murrine already has shadows and gradients on those widgets [03:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Nodoka%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Widget_02012009.png [03:46] Like that? I may need to mess with some settings. [03:46] in murrine they are much more subtle [03:47] If you zoom in on it, looks like it's tilted or something. [03:47] Like a 3d effect. [03:47] Ah alright. [06:18] :D [13:49] <_MMA_> throwil: Where did you get the ratio numbers you posted? Because, 2560x1600 and 1920x1200 are 16:10. (a small detail as long as people just use the X&Y sizes to create) [13:56] _MMA_: quoting myself:"8:5 is often given as 16:10 ..." [13:57] <_MMA_> Weird. It's obviously half but here (states) I've never seen it posted that way. [13:58] <_MMA_> I guess people are so used to 16:9, 16:10 gives a more obvious mental picture. 16:9, but a little bigger. [13:59] yep [13:59] but i dislike inconsistencies :) [14:35] <_MMA_> dashua: Around? [19:01] discussing mailing list options, great [19:02] <_MMA_> I know. I know. [19:02] * _MMA_ shakes head. [19:02] nice lack of quotation markup in dilomo's mail [19:08] _MMA_: i can't imagine that it was directed to Sebastian. but it's a trainwreck of a message. he should leave that to our fail guys [19:10] <_MMA_> hahaha [19:11] <_MMA_> That's why I mentioned "I hope you just quoted something out of order." [19:57] * thorwil sends mail to Anton, regarding quotations [19:58] <_MMA_> He's a gmail user and he's the only one I seen that happen to. I don't know what he's doin' different. [20:01] * _MMA_ thinks he's gonna take a year or so away from Ubuntu and learn Blender. [20:01] 1 year for Blender? mwuhahahaha [20:02] plan for the "or so" [20:02] <_MMA_> I didn't say I'd be a guru or anything. :) Just as things are, I can't even get started. [20:03] <_MMA_> Hell, I'd go to school for it if there were local clasess. [20:04] _MMA_: i learned mayn apps by simply fooling around with them. the notable excpetions are solidworks and blender [20:04] for solidworks, i needed a little push to understand the basics [20:05] and for blender i had to go through an introductionary tutorial [20:05] and would need to read docs/tuts for anything new i havn't done before ... [20:05] <_MMA_> I'm also looking into Blender for video editing. I think it's actually the best thing we got atm. I made a .deb that launches Blender with a custom layout and menu entry. [20:06] well, you read troy's blog, right? [20:06] <_MMA_> (.deb that installs a setup that is) [20:07] <_MMA_> Not lately. I got the .blend file from him for the UI. [20:11] _MMA_: prepare ... take a deep breath ... [20:12] <_MMA_> ... [20:12] _MMA_: the reason for Anton's lack of > is ... Outlook [20:12] <_MMA_> Nooo....... [20:12] <_MMA_> hehe :) [20:13] windows because of autocad [20:13] <_MMA_> At *least* use Tbird. :P [20:13] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sure. Even I got XP around for a couple of apps. But unless Im usin' them Im in nix. [20:15] <_MMA_> Man. I can't think of 1 person I know that uses Outlook outside or the office. :) [20:15] <_MMA_> s/or/of [20:16] * thorwil passes on the thunderbird suggestion [20:21] <_MMA_> thorwil: Thunderbird imports Outlook accounts won't it? [20:22] could be [21:08] _MMA_: Sup mate? [21:09] Just got home, finishing some final touches on Miu and I'm going to upload it. [21:12] hey dashua, you're the one working on Miu ? :) [21:13] SiDi: Yes, I'm changing to a dark panel and some other tweaks. [21:13] Well, i'd like to know then [21:13] Could you look into an issue i'm having with Miu ? it really renders badly with Thunar [21:13] Screenshot? [21:14] sec [21:14] Also, i made an xfwm for it [21:14] i posted the link on the mailing list and in gnome-look.org [21:15] <_MMA_> dashua: Yo. When you get a min, I'd like to tinker with what you're working on. (just test here to get an idea of some things) [21:15] Damn i don't have Miu's gtk in my Intrepid distro [21:15] _MMA_: Sure. Want me to send you what I have? [21:16] It's pretty much complete I'm just playing with BG[SELECTED] on the dark panel [21:16] Looks pretty good so far. [21:17] For the menubar. [21:17] <_MMA_> dashua: coryisatm@ubuntu.com [21:17] _MMA_: One sec :) [21:17] <_MMA_> Take your time. [21:18] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm gonna rename it locally so I can install it in parallel. [21:18] Sure [21:18] Np [21:19] Uploadin [21:20] When i was in jaunty it was even more blatent, but still : http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miuthunar.png i'm using murrine SVN [21:20] i might make a screen of nautilus/thunar next to each other next time i'll boot on jaunty so that you can see [21:21] the icons in thunar are just almost twice as big as in nautilus [21:21] SiDi: That is fixed in the update. [21:22] Icon sizes. [21:22] ah great then :) [21:22] _MMA_: Sent. [21:22] also, would you mind including the xfwm ? that'd be cool for xfce users [21:22] SiDi: Sure, I'm not an XFCE user but I should be able to figure it out. :) [21:23] thanks ;) [21:23] http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=99823 i packaged it here [21:23] Ok, will look into tonight. [21:24] if there are any changes in the metacity i'll just change the xfwm too. Anyways i have to redo it with a bigger height [21:26] <_MMA_> dashua: Oh hell. What engine does this use? [21:26] Murrine [21:26] <_MMA_> Hmm... [21:26] Anything over 130 something should work. [21:26] * SiDi wants an @ubuntu.com address too .. :) [21:27] <_MMA_> dashua: Says it wants a theme called "CLASSIC". [21:27] Hrm, that's a mod of the metacity [21:27] Maybe the index is borked. [21:28] <_MMA_> I'm running studio so it's a little more bare-bones than Ubuntu. I thought I might be missing a depend. [21:29] What murrine version? [21:29] You definitely need a newer murrine package. [21:29] If i remember well, on jaunty, with the murrine svn PPA enabled, i was having trouble with it too [21:29] i just removed the index.theme and then it worked [21:29] <_MMA_> dashua: That's it. I'm running the repo version of Murrine. Got a link to a new .deb? [21:30] I'll have to make a new index then [21:30] Sure [21:30] is the repo one actually the 139 ? [21:30] <_MMA_> It's murrine .60 here. [21:30] https://launchpad.net/~suraia/+archive [21:30] I'm on revision 143 [21:30] Dotted focus is gone :) [21:31] But the gtkrc should still work with that PPA [21:32] * _MMA_ sits back and watches him screw the Studio theme up. [21:33] SiDi: Ha, yeah it will bork it, maybe. [21:33] Or you'll get a deprecation warning [21:33] Well i was having a weird message with the index.theme, involving this line [21:33] and when i removed it, the theme was available in the "customise" theme menu, but not in the appearence window [21:34] though it was working [21:34] I guess I should those XFCE panel tweaks as well for the dark panel. [21:34] add* [21:35] <_MMA_> dashua: What is the classic theme? Part of GNOME themes or is this your index.theme issue? [21:35] It's the metacity theme name. I need to rename it. [21:36] you can inherit metacity themes ? Oo [21:43] <_MMA_> dashua: I think it needs a bit to tie in the brown. I'd play with making the menu highlights brown as well as the space between the buttons and the far left on the metacity. [21:43] * _MMA_ also doesn't know about the orange text on tabs. [21:44] Yeah. [21:44] I'm torn with the orange. I like it sometimes and other times I play with black. [21:44] Ah, the orange text on tabs isnt normal ? [21:45] Normal for now until we modify it. [21:45] Okey [21:45] <_MMA_> Now the orange on the menu I don't feel real strong about it's just a idea but I think if you could make just that little space in the metacity match the panel that might be cool. [21:46] <_MMA_> dashua: I like how the area with the buttons is squared off or looks to lean out from the titlebar. [21:46] Okay. [21:47] Thx. [21:47] The theme is pretty much complete absent the color scheme tweaks and text. [21:47] It's pretty responsive too, not that matter too much. [21:48] <_MMA_> dashua: There's also an issue on roll up. There's a 2px or so line at the bottom that doesnt go to the very ends. [21:49] Ah alright. [21:50] <_MMA_> dashua: Your bottom corners, the round parts, also need to have the same grey line go from the side to the bottom. Right now, the frame looks broken. [21:50] I'm actually using Impression's metacity now. I think that has some potential if the button issues are worked out. [21:50] The bottom right and left corners seemed a bit off to me. [21:51] <_MMA_> Yeah. Looks like the corners are nipped off. [21:52] <_MMA_> dashua: And don't get me wrong. I think this has alot of potential. God. If people only knew how much tinkering went into the Studio theme. Back and forth. Back and forth. [21:53] Yeah. I know. People will never understand. [21:53] It's is a lot work. You change one thing, it messes up something else. [21:53] <_MMA_> Yes sir. [21:53] Just let me know, and I'll tweak it up. [21:54] It seems like people may actually like and use this theme if I get it right. [21:54] <_MMA_> Well the note above are all Ill do for now. :) Don't wanna overwhelm ya. :) [21:54] Alright [21:55] _MMA_: do you actually work at Ubuntu ? Just curious [21:55] I just want to make sure I keep it warm and it says "Ubuntu" to some extent. [21:58] gd night [21:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: I started Ubuntu studio and am currently it's lead artist. I handed over the main reigns at the start of Jaunty. I know Ken pretty well. Now a bunch of Ubuntu folks. But to answer directly, I have only contributed little pieces to Ubuntu proper. [21:58] <_MMA_> Oh well. [21:59] * dashua heard you :) [22:00] <_MMA_> :P [22:00] <_MMA_> dashua: You know how you hit a menu option and it turns Orange with the menu below? [22:01] On the Menu Bar (Upper left) [22:01] ? [22:01] <_MMA_> The menu. [22:01] That is what I'm toying with. [22:01] <_MMA_> File Edit Blah blah blah [22:02] I tried black, but this gives now action [22:02] Ah [22:02] Yeah [22:02] <_MMA_> I think the bottom of the orange button things looks odd with rounded bottom corners. It's like a button on top of a menu. Doesnt flow well. [22:02] Ok [22:02] * _MMA_ fires up gedit. [22:02] Let me mess with that and the color. [22:03] The button should be an easy fix with roundness [22:05] menu_item fixes the roundness issue [22:05] Maybe 1 or 2? [22:05] was 3 [22:06] <_MMA_> Maybe: menubaritemstyle = 1 [22:07] style "menu_item" { [22:08] Yeah, that does it. [22:08] 1 and 2 look decent. [22:08] <_MMA_> dashua: No. That should effect the hightlight over a menu option. [22:08] 3 was too round. [22:08] <_MMA_> We're talking about 2 different things. [22:08] Ah [22:09] <_MMA_> Change line 96, then click on the menu in a app. [22:09] I thought you were talking about the orange highlight on the menubar. [22:11] <_MMA_> dashua: But I think changing those 2 settings actually look better. [22:11] Yeah, it does [22:13] "menu_item" roundness = 1 looks good with menubaritemstyle = 1 [22:21] _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-2.png [22:24] * _MMA_ clicks [22:25] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. Thats what I got here. I edited the file. [22:25] Kk [22:26] <_MMA_> dashua: Hmm... I dont have the same amount of padding as you in the metacity. Much thinner. I think it's because of some Studio settings. [22:28] I will work on the metacity a bit more. That was something new for me. [22:28] <_MMA_> np. [22:28] * _MMA_ takes a break for a bit. (I got a headache) [22:29] Yeah, np [23:01] hi, is there a list of current proposals, and maybe votes for current proposals of jaunty artwork? [23:01] how is it decided what the art will be?