[02:20] <dashua> _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1.1235355588.png
[02:20]  * _MMA_ clicks
[02:20] <dashua> Better or worse? IYO
[02:21] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm diggin' that man.
[02:21] <dashua> Dark panel, lighter menus
[02:21] <dashua> Sweet
[02:22] <_MMA_> I like the color variance between things. Light menu. Grey window and dark panel. Nice.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Really, I think I'd like to use this with my alternative-desktop project once I get a little more of that worked out.
[02:23] <dashua> I have a mod with dark menus sort of like Dust, but Oo menubar us giving me issues
[02:23] <dashua> Awesome :)
[02:24] <dashua> Should I throw this one the wiki as an alternate version or make this the main and the lighter panel darker menus the mod?
[02:24] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm using this with Dust atm. I'm emailing the artist for a hires one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stitch/3079514354/sizes/o/
[02:25] <dashua> Ah that's nice.
[02:25] <_MMA_> dashua: I would make this the main one. I think it is an improvement. But that's just me. :P
[02:25] <dashua> Yeah, same here.
[02:26] <dashua> Just wanted some other opinions.  Thx.
[02:26] <_MMA_> np
[02:27] <dashua> That start here icon Sebastien just posted is hot.
[02:27] <_MMA_> Reminds me of the one used in KDE4 but that's fine. We'll see where he goes with it.
[02:28] <dashua> i like the black Ubuntu logo.
[02:28] <dashua> I always liked that on other icon themes.
[02:29] <dashua> Breathe is really picking up a buzz, that's great.
[02:35] <_MMA_> You seen it mentioned anywhere else?
[02:37] <_MMA_> dashua: ^^^ (forgot to use your name to highlight you) :P
[02:38] <dashua> Yeah, all over the art pages (GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.)
[02:39] <dashua> People are really digging it asking where to get it.
[02:39] <dashua> Now with the PPA it'll be easier to direct them.
[02:40] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. I still gotta solidify my workflow. Making updates to trunk, then go to the packaging branch that end up in the PPA. I might have to script something.
[02:41] <dashua> Yeah, most build average users don't know how to build things, so this it'll be good. (packages)
[03:04] <Cimi_> which features I will implement in murrine tomorrow? any ideas?
[03:12] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Have Murrine was my car and find me a job.
[03:13] <_MMA_> s/was/wash
[03:17] <Cimi_> ok no features for you :)
[03:19] <_MMA_> hehe
[03:24] <_MMA_> dashua: Try this one as a background. http://www.flickr.com/photos/georgesgewels/2445842640
[03:27] <dashua> Cimi_: How about shadows/gradients beneath progressbars and radio/checkbuttons like in MODERN Nodoka, that possible?
[03:27] <dashua> _MMA_: That's nice.
[03:29] <_MMA_> dashua: When can I test what you're currently working on?
[03:30] <dashua> I'm working on it now.  I lost my glazestyle on the selected items on the lighter menu.  Trying to see what I messed up here.
[03:32] <_MMA_> np. I'm just getting a little inspired for alt-desktop here. If you're ok with it, I'd like to use your new work.
[03:34] <dashua> Yeah, np.  I'd be delighted.  Just trying to work a few tweaks. :)
[03:44] <Cimi_> dashua, murrine already has shadows and gradients on those widgets
[03:45] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Nodoka%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Widget_02012009.png
[03:46] <dashua> Like that?  I may need to mess with some settings.
[03:46] <Cimi_> in murrine they are much more subtle
[03:47] <dashua> If you zoom in on it,  looks like it's tilted or something.
[03:47] <dashua> Like a 3d effect.
[03:47] <dashua> Ah alright.
[06:18] <rsc___> :D
[13:49] <_MMA_> throwil: Where did you get the ratio numbers you posted? Because, 2560x1600 and 1920x1200 are 16:10. (a small detail as long as people just use the X&Y sizes to create)
[13:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: quoting myself:"8:5 is often given as 16:10 ..."
[13:57] <_MMA_> Weird. It's obviously half but here (states) I've never seen it posted that way.
[13:58] <_MMA_> I guess people are so used to 16:9, 16:10 gives a more obvious mental picture. 16:9, but a little bigger.
[13:59] <thorwil> yep
[13:59] <thorwil> but i dislike inconsistencies :)
[14:35] <_MMA_> dashua: Around?
[19:01] <thorwil> discussing mailing list options, great
[19:02] <_MMA_> I know. I know.
[19:02]  * _MMA_ shakes head.
[19:02] <thorwil> nice lack of quotation markup in dilomo's mail
[19:08] <thorwil> _MMA_: i can't imagine that it was directed to Sebastian. but it's a trainwreck of a message. he should leave that to our fail guys
[19:10] <_MMA_> hahaha
[19:11] <_MMA_> That's why I mentioned "I hope you just quoted something out of order."
[19:57]  * thorwil sends mail to Anton, regarding quotations
[19:58] <_MMA_> He's a gmail user and he's the only one I seen that happen to. I don't know what he's doin' different.
[20:01]  * _MMA_ thinks he's gonna take a year or so away from Ubuntu and learn Blender.
[20:01] <thorwil> 1 year for Blender? mwuhahahaha
[20:02] <thorwil> plan for the "or so"
[20:02] <_MMA_> I didn't say I'd be a guru or anything. :) Just as things are, I can't even get started.
[20:03] <_MMA_> Hell, I'd go to school for it if there were local clasess.
[20:04] <thorwil> _MMA_: i learned mayn apps by simply fooling around with them. the notable excpetions are solidworks and blender
[20:04] <thorwil> for solidworks, i needed a little push to understand the basics
[20:05] <thorwil> and for blender i had to go through an introductionary tutorial
[20:05] <thorwil> and would need to read docs/tuts for anything new i havn't done before ...
[20:05] <_MMA_> I'm also looking into Blender for video editing. I think it's actually the best thing we got atm. I made a .deb that launches Blender with a custom layout and menu entry.
[20:06] <thorwil> well, you read troy's blog, right?
[20:06] <_MMA_> (.deb that installs a setup that is)
[20:07] <_MMA_> Not lately. I got the .blend file from him for the UI.
[20:11] <thorwil> _MMA_: prepare ... take a deep breath ...
[20:12] <_MMA_> ...
[20:12] <thorwil> _MMA_: the reason for Anton's lack of > is ... Outlook
[20:12] <_MMA_> Nooo.......
[20:12] <_MMA_> hehe :)
[20:13] <thorwil> windows because of autocad
[20:13] <_MMA_> At *least* use Tbird. :P
[20:13] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sure. Even I got XP around for a couple of apps. But unless Im usin' them Im in nix.
[20:15] <_MMA_> Man. I can't think of 1 person I know that uses Outlook outside or the office. :)
[20:15] <_MMA_> s/or/of
[20:16]  * thorwil passes on the thunderbird suggestion
[20:21] <_MMA_> thorwil: Thunderbird imports Outlook accounts won't it?
[20:22] <thorwil> could be
[21:08] <dashua> _MMA_: Sup mate?
[21:09] <dashua> Just got home, finishing some final touches on Miu and I'm going to upload it.
[21:12] <SiDi> hey dashua, you're the one working on Miu ? :)
[21:13] <dashua> SiDi: Yes, I'm changing to a dark panel and some other tweaks.
[21:13] <SiDi> Well, i'd like to know then
[21:13] <SiDi> Could you look into an issue i'm having with Miu ? it really renders badly with Thunar
[21:13] <dashua> Screenshot?
[21:14] <SiDi> sec
[21:14] <SiDi> Also, i made an xfwm for it
[21:14] <SiDi> i posted the link on the mailing list and in gnome-look.org
[21:15] <_MMA_> dashua: Yo. When you get a min, I'd like to tinker with what you're working on. (just test here to get an idea of some things)
[21:15] <SiDi> Damn i don't have Miu's gtk in my Intrepid distro
[21:15] <dashua> _MMA_: Sure.  Want me to send you what I have?
[21:16] <dashua> It's pretty much complete I'm just playing with BG[SELECTED] on the dark panel
[21:16] <dashua> Looks pretty good so far.
[21:17] <dashua> For the menubar.
[21:17] <_MMA_> dashua: coryisatm@ubuntu.com
[21:17] <dashua> _MMA_: One sec :)
[21:17] <_MMA_> Take your time.
[21:18] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm gonna rename it locally so I can install it in parallel.
[21:18] <dashua> Sure
[21:18] <dashua> Np
[21:19] <SiDi> Uploadin
[21:20] <SiDi> When i was in jaunty it was even more blatent, but still : http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miuthunar.png i'm using murrine SVN
[21:20] <SiDi> i might make a screen of nautilus/thunar next to each other next time i'll boot on jaunty so that you can see
[21:21] <SiDi> the icons in thunar are just almost twice as big as in nautilus
[21:21] <dashua> SiDi: That is fixed in the update.
[21:22] <dashua> Icon sizes.
[21:22] <SiDi> ah great then :)
[21:22] <dashua> _MMA_: Sent.
[21:22] <SiDi> also, would you mind including the xfwm ? that'd be cool for xfce users
[21:22] <dashua> SiDi: Sure, I'm not an XFCE user but I should be able to figure it out. :)
[21:23] <SiDi> thanks ;)
[21:23] <SiDi> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=99823 i packaged it here
[21:23] <dashua> Ok, will look into tonight.
[21:24] <SiDi> if there are any changes in the metacity i'll just change the xfwm too. Anyways i have to redo it with a bigger height
[21:26] <_MMA_> dashua: Oh hell. What engine does this use?
[21:26] <dashua> Murrine
[21:26] <_MMA_> Hmm...
[21:26] <dashua> Anything over 130 something should work.
[21:26]  * SiDi wants an @ubuntu.com address too .. :)
[21:27] <_MMA_> dashua: Says it wants a theme called "CLASSIC".
[21:27] <dashua> Hrm, that's a mod of the metacity
[21:27] <dashua> Maybe the index is borked.
[21:28] <_MMA_> I'm running studio so it's a little more bare-bones than Ubuntu. I thought I might be missing a depend.
[21:29] <dashua> What murrine version?
[21:29] <dashua> You definitely need a newer murrine package.
[21:29] <SiDi> If i remember well, on jaunty, with the murrine svn PPA enabled, i was having trouble with it too
[21:29] <SiDi> i just removed the index.theme and then it worked
[21:29] <_MMA_> dashua: That's it. I'm running the repo version of Murrine. Got a link to a new .deb?
[21:30] <dashua> I'll have to make a new index then
[21:30] <dashua> Sure
[21:30] <SiDi> is the repo one actually the 139 ?
[21:30] <_MMA_> It's murrine .60 here.
[21:30] <dashua> https://launchpad.net/~suraia/+archive
[21:30] <dashua> I'm on revision 143
[21:30] <dashua> Dotted focus is gone :)
[21:31] <dashua> But the gtkrc should still work with that PPA
[21:32]  * _MMA_ sits back and watches him screw the Studio theme up.
[21:33] <dashua> SiDi: Ha, yeah it will bork it, maybe.
[21:33] <dashua> Or you'll get a deprecation warning
[21:33] <SiDi> Well i was having a weird message with the index.theme, involving this line
[21:33] <SiDi> and when i removed it, the theme was available in the "customise" theme menu, but not in the appearence window
[21:34] <SiDi> though it was working
[21:34] <dashua> I guess I should those XFCE panel tweaks as well for the dark panel.
[21:34] <dashua> add*
[21:35] <_MMA_> dashua: What is the classic theme? Part of GNOME themes or is this your index.theme issue?
[21:35] <dashua> It's the metacity theme name.  I need to rename it.
[21:36] <SiDi> you can inherit metacity themes ? Oo
[21:43] <_MMA_> dashua: I think it needs a bit to tie in the brown. I'd play with making the menu highlights brown as well as the space between the buttons and the far left on the metacity.
[21:43]  * _MMA_ also doesn't know about the orange text on tabs.
[21:44] <dashua> Yeah.
[21:44] <dashua> I'm torn with the orange.  I like it sometimes and other times I play with black.
[21:44] <SiDi> Ah, the orange text on tabs isnt normal ?
[21:45] <dashua> Normal for now until we modify it.
[21:45] <SiDi> Okey
[21:45] <_MMA_> Now the orange on the menu I don't feel real strong about it's just a idea but I think if you could make just that little space in the metacity match the panel that might be cool.
[21:46] <_MMA_> dashua: I like how the area with the buttons is squared off or looks to lean out from the titlebar.
[21:46] <dashua> Okay.
[21:47] <dashua> Thx.
[21:47] <dashua> The theme is pretty much complete absent the color scheme tweaks and text.
[21:47] <dashua> It's pretty responsive too, not that matter too much.
[21:48] <_MMA_> dashua: There's also an issue on roll up. There's a 2px or so line at the bottom that doesnt go to the very ends.
[21:49] <dashua> Ah alright.
[21:50] <_MMA_> dashua: Your bottom corners, the round parts, also need to have the same grey line go from the side to the bottom. Right now, the frame looks broken.
[21:50] <dashua> I'm actually using Impression's metacity now.  I think that has some potential if the button issues are worked out.
[21:50] <dashua> The bottom right and left corners seemed a bit off to me.
[21:51] <_MMA_> Yeah. Looks like the corners are nipped off.
[21:52] <_MMA_> dashua: And don't get me wrong. I think this has alot of potential. God. If people only knew how much tinkering went into the Studio theme. Back and forth. Back and forth.
[21:53] <dashua> Yeah. I know.  People will never understand.
[21:53] <dashua> It's is a lot work.  You change one thing, it messes up something else.
[21:53] <_MMA_> Yes sir.
[21:53] <dashua> Just let me know, and I'll tweak it up.
[21:54] <dashua> It seems like people may actually like and use this theme if I get it right.
[21:54] <_MMA_> Well the note above are all Ill do for now. :) Don't wanna overwhelm ya. :)
[21:54] <dashua> Alright
[21:55] <SiDi> _MMA_: do you actually work at Ubuntu ? Just curious
[21:55] <dashua> I just want to make sure I keep it warm and it says "Ubuntu" to some extent.
[21:58] <SiDi> gd night
[21:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: I started Ubuntu studio and am currently it's lead artist. I handed over the main reigns at the start of Jaunty. I know Ken pretty well. Now a bunch of Ubuntu folks. But to answer directly, I have only contributed little pieces to Ubuntu proper.
[21:58] <_MMA_> Oh well.
[21:59]  * dashua heard you :)
[22:00] <_MMA_> :P
[22:00] <_MMA_> dashua: You know how you hit a menu option and it turns Orange with the menu below?
[22:01] <dashua> On the Menu Bar (Upper left)
[22:01] <dashua> ?
[22:01] <_MMA_> The menu.
[22:01] <dashua> That is what I'm toying with.
[22:01] <_MMA_> File Edit Blah blah blah
[22:02] <dashua> I tried black, but this gives now action
[22:02] <dashua> Ah
[22:02] <dashua> Yeah
[22:02] <_MMA_> I think the bottom of the orange button things looks odd with rounded bottom corners. It's like a button on top of a menu. Doesnt flow well.
[22:02] <dashua> Ok
[22:02]  * _MMA_ fires up gedit.
[22:02] <dashua> Let me mess with that and the color.
[22:03] <dashua> The button should be an easy fix with roundness
[22:05] <dashua> menu_item fixes the roundness issue
[22:05] <dashua> Maybe 1 or 2?
[22:05] <dashua> was 3
[22:06] <_MMA_> Maybe: menubaritemstyle    = 1
[22:07] <dashua> style "menu_item" {
[22:08] <dashua> Yeah, that does it.
[22:08] <dashua> 1 and 2 look decent.
[22:08] <_MMA_> dashua: No. That should effect the hightlight over a menu option.
[22:08] <dashua> 3 was too round.
[22:08] <_MMA_> We're talking about 2 different things.
[22:08] <dashua> Ah
[22:09] <_MMA_> Change line 96, then click on the menu in a app.
[22:09] <dashua> I thought you were talking about the orange highlight on the menubar.
[22:11] <_MMA_> dashua: But I think changing those 2 settings actually look better.
[22:11] <dashua> Yeah, it does
[22:13] <dashua> "menu_item" roundness = 1 looks good with menubaritemstyle = 1
[22:21] <dashua> _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-2.png
[22:24]  * _MMA_ clicks
[22:25] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. Thats what I got here. I edited the file.
[22:25] <dashua> Kk
[22:26] <_MMA_> dashua: Hmm... I dont have the same amount of padding as you in the metacity. Much thinner. I think it's because of some Studio settings.
[22:28] <dashua> I will work on the metacity a bit more.  That was something new for me.
[22:28] <_MMA_> np.
[22:28]  * _MMA_ takes a break for a bit. (I got a headache)
[22:29] <dashua> Yeah, np
[23:01] <mib_5ueehj> hi, is there a list of current proposals, and maybe votes for current proposals of jaunty artwork?
[23:01] <mib_5ueehj> how is it decided what the art will be?