[10:26] <davmor2> cjwatson, evand: On today's image ubiquity is crashing is this known or do you want the apport uploading to a bug?
[10:26] <cjwatson> ImportError? that's bug 332978
[10:27] <cjwatson> evand: why does timezone_map use numpy.array? it seems a pretty heavyweight dependency - it's multiple megabytes added to the live cD
[10:27] <cjwatson> CD
[10:27] <StevenK> Ah ha. That explains the UNR bug I got this morning.
[10:27]  * StevenK will make that a dupe
[10:27] <davmor2> cjwatson: yeap that's the one :)
[10:30] <evand> good timing, I was just going over that bug.  Indeed, I'm going to try to work around that.
[10:31] <cjwatson> I read the code and couldn't understand what it was doing and why it wasn't just a straightforward tuple or list
[10:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: I've just done an lvm at 20% and it doesn't seem to like it.  I'll try and get the logs off the system for you
[10:43] <cjwatson> ok
[10:43] <cjwatson> "at 20%"?
[10:43] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[10:43] <cjwatson> coffee++
[10:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: using the new lvm resizing thingy in d-i
[10:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: bugger rescue mode on install doesn't want to know either
[10:46]  * davmor2 moves onto rescue mode on cd
[11:01] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3053 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/hw_detect.py):
[11:01] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Hide some excessively detailed progress messages from hw-detect
[11:01] <CIA-3> ubiquity: (LP: #91792).
[11:04] <davmor2> cjwatson: on an lvm install does /boot contain any logs as /var isn't mounted so it can't write to it?
[11:06] <cjwatson> (a) logs don't go to /boot (b) why wouldn't /var be mounted?
[11:06] <cjwatson> I think one of us is confused. Aren't you talking about an error that happens during installation?
[11:08] <davmor2> cjwatson: No install seemed to go okay however after reboot it just dies black screen flashing cursor and nothing else
[11:09] <cjwatson> this could be the udev bug that Keybuk hasn't quite yet figured out
[11:09] <cjwatson> unfortunate that we're doing the testing day at the same time as that :-/
[11:09] <cjwatson> bug 332270
[11:09] <davmor2> you could always reschedule the testing till after that, maybe
[11:10] <cjwatson> not my decision
[11:10] <cjwatson> still, the udev bug needs to be fixed anyway
[11:10] <cjwatson> I suggest taking this to a channel where Keybuk is :-)
[11:10] <cjwatson> it would be good to confirm that this actually is the same issue
[16:39] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r213 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog perform_recipe_by_lvm): Strip leading whitespace from output of 'vgs' (LP: #333349).
[16:40] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r214 ubuntu/debian/po/ (63 files): debconf-updatepo
[16:41] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r215 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 32ubuntu3
[16:41] <cjwatson> evand: sorry to nag, but is the numpy thing going to be fixed today?
[16:44] <evand> cjwatson: I'm hoping I can.  I'm trying to find a way around using get_pixel_array.  I'll bump its priority in my workload and focus on it until I have it sorted.
[16:44] <evand> (get_pixel_array returns a numpy.ndarray)
[16:44] <cjwatson> ah, is that what it is
[16:45] <evand> indeed
[16:46] <cjwatson> evand: if it's really needed, please just add a dependency for the moment and keep it as a TODO item; we can't leave people unable to install though
[16:46] <evand> cjwatson: will do
[16:46] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3054 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control):
[16:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Add a dependency on python-numpy for the GTK frontend until we can
[16:49] <CIA-3> ubiquity: replace it in the time zone code.
[17:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3055 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/timezone_map.py): Refactor the time zone code to avoid a dependency on python-numpy.
[17:50] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3056 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Add LP bug reference to previous commit.
[19:03] <steve`rogers> hi
[19:05] <steve`rogers> i can't install my xubuntu 8.10 on my ibook g4 ppc, because cdrom device si not detected, anyone has some idea?
[19:06] <cjwatson> this is *usually*, although not always, a kernel bug. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection lists the bits we need
[19:07] <steve`rogers> hi cjwatson, thank you for reply, so i need to change image?
[19:11] <cjwatson> steve`rogers: err, who knows whether changing image would help. The best approach is to gather the data in the above wiki page so that we can ensure that it gets fixed for later releases
[19:12] <cjwatson> also, we would need that information in order to be able to advise on possible workarounds
[19:14] <steve`rogers> I know that apple is shit.
[19:19] <cjwatson> I'm not particularly interested in blaming vendors; on the face of it, if Ubuntu doesn't work with some piece of hardware, it's Ubuntu's problem
[19:20] <cjwatson> we would only blame a vendor reluctantly after investigation
[19:20] <steve`rogers> yes but today I've noticed so many error in ubuntu image
[19:21] <steve`rogers> ubuntu 7.10 give me error during installation in APT, "mirror not valid"....
[19:21] <steve`rogers> now xubuntu don't detect cd device...
[19:21] <steve`rogers> I'm so sad
[19:21] <cjwatson> please extract the data requested above and file a bug report
[19:22] <cjwatson> we can't fix this sort of thing unless we get good bug reports :)
[19:22] <steve`rogers> I don't want bore anyone with my problems :(
[19:22] <cjwatson> you will not bore us
[19:22] <cjwatson> if I thought it would be boring I would not have asked you to file a bug
[19:23] <steve`rogers> so you told me this:
[19:23] <steve`rogers> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[19:24] <cjwatson> yes; you may need to use a live CD to get at that information (assuming that a live CD works)
[19:24] <steve`rogers> argh
[19:24] <cjwatson> if a live CD works, that's actually useful information in itself, so please mention that
[19:24] <steve`rogers> livecd don't works for me
[19:24] <steve`rogers> installation stop, because don't detect cd
[19:24] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3057 ubiquity/debian/control: Remove python-numpy dependency.
[19:25] <cjwatson> you can get it using the alternate install CD too (alt-f2, and just drop the 'sudo' bit), but I'm afraid you'll probably have to copy-type the information
[19:25] <cjwatson> or take photos if you have a digital camera, I guess
[19:25]  * cjwatson -> dinner
[19:25] <steve`rogers> I'm using alternate image
[22:40] <ph03n1ks_> hey
[22:40] <ph03n1ks_> ive been trying to get help in ubuntu+1 for the install of the netbook remix alpha 4 but no joy
[22:40] <ph03n1ks_> they suggested i try here
[22:41] <ph03n1ks_> is anyone aware of a problem with the install of the netbook remix alpha 4 that makes the gui too big that the buttons cant be viewed, i cant do the install :(
[22:42] <ph03n1ks_> any suggestions?
[23:32] <btil> anyone around?
[23:33] <btil> anyone?