[00:16] <Bangers1> I have a Ubuntu Server inside VMWare ESX, I've increased the size of the VM Virtual Disk
[00:16] <Bangers1> how do I let ubuntu see this space increase?
[00:34] <orudie> can i find out what localhost resolves to ?
[00:34] <orudie> like what would be the address that i would put in the web browser
[00:34] <orudie> to access it
[00:38] <viezerd> euh
[00:38] <viezerd> http://localhost/
[00:40] <orudie> it says
[00:40] <orudie> no i'm in cpanel with this web hosting account
[00:43] <fruchtix> orudie: use the support system of your hosting provider for this type of question, please
[01:40] <orudie> how can i find out what the permission of a directory is set to
[01:45] <Bangers1> anyone got a sec to take a look at my ubuntu server thread?
[01:45] <Bangers1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6782472#post6782472
[01:52] <Yagisan> Bangers1, http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions
[01:52] <Yagisan> Bangers1, disclaimer: I have not done this. I am not representing Ubuntu and/or Canaonical
[01:52] <Yagisan> Bangers1, and before tying anything like that - back up important data
[01:56] <Bangers1> well, luckily for me it;s vmware so i can easily drop it, clone the volume and do it
[01:57] <Bangers1> Yagisan: my problem is though that  I  cannot move my swap to the end of the drive
[01:57] <Bangers1> to resize
[01:58] <Yagisan> swap on new vmware disk ??
[01:58]  * Yagisan runs kvm systems here
[02:01] <Yagisan> Bangers1, you could try shrinking the partition, put a new swap partition at the end of the disk, delete old swap, then try to extend - same disclaimer as before
[02:10] <Bangers1> it's the same disk
[02:10] <Bangers1> If you look at the screenshot, I think I need to move swap to the end of the disk
[02:10] <Bangers1> then a simple growfs should work
[02:12] <orudie> how can i give everyone permission to read some directory
[02:15] <isuporkchop> i have never set up a server before, but i would like to give it a try.  ive got an old computer tower, and would like to set it up so all of my roommates could access and share files across the server, as well as use it as a file server.  is this a fairly straightforward thing to do?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends. what do your roommates use on thier computers?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what you mean by "share files across the server" either
[02:18] <isuporkchop> like a 'shared folder'.  one person could put files in the folder, another person could get those files
[02:18] <isuporkchop> 2 run xp, 1 vista, but im working on converting them to ubuntu :P
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'll probably need samba then.
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure how you seperate the ideas of 'shared folder' and 'file server', but samba will probably manage both.
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i avoid it myself (thank goodness for no doze boxes)
[02:43] <Bangers1> I just cloned a ubuntu server in vmware
[02:43] <Bangers1> ive changed its hostname and ip etc
[02:44] <Bangers1> how do I now change it's ssh host key?
[02:45] <orudie>  can anyone recommend a good free webhost that has php, mysql, perl, and ssl access
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bangers1, ssh-keygen for generating keys
[02:47] <Yagisan> Kamping_Kaiser, actually samba works very nicely in an all *nix environment - it seems to be quicker than nfs
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yagisan, it may do, but i use nfs or ssh(scp,sftp)
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Every time I work on samba it drives me nuts, I've decided not to hurt myself on it again :)
[02:49] <Yagisan> :D should have a sticker on the side of the box - samba - some assembly required
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahaha.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:55] <Yagisan> anyone here notice any slowdown when using encrypted disk partitions ?
[02:57]  * Yagisan wishes he had the money to run lvm, on encryption, on raid5 for his "server"
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> never tried encrypting at the fs level.not seen a good point yet
[03:00] <Yagisan> depends on what is on the disk, and who you don't want to see it
[03:02]  * Yagisan used to work in a trading firm - I'd have loved to encrypt the disks that the trading algorithms were on.
[03:05] <orudie> can someone hook me up with a SSL user name on their box ?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ssl username?
[03:22] <orudie>  Kamping_Kaiser yeah , a user name
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> your question doesnt make sense
[03:24] <orudie> Kamping_Kaiser, i am looking for a free web host, but maybe somoene can set up with a user name, and a database on their box
[03:24] <orudie> so that i would be able to ssh
[03:49] <tsrk> My server stopped showing the System Information when I login.... why is that?
[04:08] <Bangers1> on my local ubuntu repo mirror, I'm doing apt-get mirror and I'm getting a whole bunch of "Sources.gz  404 Not Found"
[04:09] <Bangers1> and a "Packages.gz  Hash Sum mismatch"
[04:09] <Bangers1> Does this mean my mirror is configured wrongly?  Or my sources.list is wrong?
[04:09] <twb> Bangers1: it is often caused by a misconfigured caching web proxy.
[04:09] <Bangers1> Everything used to work, but I think I rebooted the server and since then it's been doing this.  Even other clients in my network cannot 'apt-get update' against my mirror
[04:09] <Bangers1> not running a proxy in my network
[04:09] <twb> What happens is, Packages.gz is big, so is cached, but the Release file (which contains the checksum) is small, and so is not cached.
[04:10] <twb> It may also be because the upstream mirror is in an inconsistent state, in which case re-running your mirror script should fix things.
[04:10] <twb> Also be aware that some (retarded) ISPs will perform transparent caching proxying of port 80.
[04:11] <twb> Finally, I *highly* recommend the "debmirror" package and strongly discourage use of the "partial" proxies apt-cacher and apt-proxy -- these are totally fucked and wasted far more of my time than they saved.
[04:11] <Bangers1> yep I  get you.  My ISP definitely arent proxy caching or anything.  I reran 'apt-mirror' and the 'clean.sh' it told me to do
[04:12] <twb> I'm not familiar with apt-mirror, sorry.
[04:12] <Bangers1> twb: ok um not to sure what you mean about 'apt-proxy', it's an inherited server i recieved
[04:12] <twb> apt-proxy is a package.
[04:13] <twb> Since you're using apt-mirror, you can forget about that remark.
[04:13] <Bangers1> so .. "apt-get update" .. does it try to download Sources.gz for each directory the client (sources.list) has configured?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> never knew about that, i should see if its better or as good as debmirror.
[04:14] <Bangers1> Because I just did find /mirror -name Sources.gz on my mirror serverm and it didnt find any file with that name
[04:34] <twb> Bangers1: Sources.gz is fetched only for deb-src entries
[04:34] <twb> Don't forget to find /mirror/ not /mirror, if /mirror is a symlink.
[04:36] <Bangers1> naa, it's not a symlink
[04:36] <Bangers1> hrmm, this is weird, i'm really stumped
[04:38] <Bangers1> twb: ok I've removed the 'deb-src' ines from my sources.list and now it's only complaining about :  Packages.gz  Hash Sum mismatch
[04:38] <Bangers1> how do i clear the hash md5 cache apt keeps?
[04:38] <twb> apt doesn't keep one.
[04:38] <twb> The checksum is stored in the Release file on the server.
[04:38] <twb> The error occurs when Release and Packages.gz are not in sync.
[04:39] <Bangers1> Oooh...how do I double check that?
[04:39] <Bangers1> This thread looks identical to my problem: http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-general/394063-apt-get-gpg-key-error-message.html
[04:39] <Bangers1> 100% identical
[04:40] <Bangers1> he seems to say "a cache purge" solved his problem
[04:40] <Bangers1> whats that and how do I do that?
[04:50] <rdw200169> twb, you mentioned transparent caching... i dealt with a *lot* of that when I ran a network off of the HughesNet Satellite systems
[04:51] <rdw200169> twb, so, on top of satellite delay (which was measurable), I also had to deal with heavy caching, which i kept to a minimum using traffic shaping (keeping the bucket low)
[04:51] <twb> Bangers1: he means purging the cache on the caching web server.
[04:52] <rdw200169> twb, they called it 'Turbo' or something like that... it was a real pain
[04:52] <twb> rdw200169: certainly the mere *presence* of caching won't break apt-get update; the problem is only if ONE of the two files is cached.
[04:55] <rdw200169> twb, well, i was referring to transparent caching in general. regardless, for the apt part, I found that apt-cacher worked great for a local lan... the only problem is that keys don't work with that particular package
[04:55] <twb> IIRC apt-cacher is the one that allows for injection of infected packages by any client using apt-get.
[04:56] <twb> Because it assumes <package name>_<version>_<arch>.deb is identical on all upstream servers, and it's not.
[04:56] <rdw200169> twb, for *this particular situation* we had a relatively small # of ubuntu users... it wasn't a big deal
[04:56] <twb> This is particularly evil and wrong if *any* client has- right, ubuntu and debian
[04:56] <rdw200169> twb, even though it was a large lan... i was aware of apt-cacher's drawbacks and went with it anyway
[04:56] <rdw200169> twb, the benefits outweighed the drawbacks at the time
[04:57] <twb> I now just advocate either a generic caching proxy, or a full deb mirror.
[04:57] <twb> Where "full" means modulo the exclusions you can punch into debmirror(8).
[04:57] <rdw200169> twb, i couldn't run a full mirror b/c we didn't have the bandwidth allocation for something like that
[04:57] <twb> rdw200169: nod.
[04:58] <twb> Although you could maybe use the "truck full of backup tapes" approach to syncing...
[04:58] <rdw200169> twb, we were dealing w/80+ subscribers with a total of about 30GB / month (total download mass)
[04:58] <twb> Most users won't give a shit about (non-security) updates being delayed by up to a month.
[04:58] <twb> Anyways... >wander off<
[04:59] <rdw200169> that, and apt-cacher required very little modification of users' apt configurations... a simple script to change the apt to a proxy
[04:59] <Bangers1> twb: but im not running a cache web server anywhere.   no where on my network ...
[05:00] <twb> rdw200169: personally I'd prefer a design that involves adding a proxy to /etc/apt/apt.conf instead of to every line in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:00] <Bangers1> mine is just a simple apt-mirror, and apache2 serving it up over http.  Everything was working fine until recently, I don't knwo what has changes.
[05:00] <twb> Bangers1: I've told you what I know.
[05:00] <rdw200169> twb, that's what i'm talking about
[05:03] <rdw200169> twb, i can't remember what line i modified in the apt conf, it was really simple though, and redirected all apt traffic to a proxy,
[05:03] <twb> rdw200169: for an http proxy, yes.  apt-cache and apt-proxy need changes to sources.list
[05:04] <twb> echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080/";' >>/etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:24] <Bangers1> Can anyone help me with this?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6782472#post6782472
[06:25] <twb> Sorry, forums like that are laid out so amazingly badly that I'm not even gonna read it.
[06:30] <tsrk> When I logged in it said I had a zombie process, is that normal?
[06:31] <tsrk> (I know what a zombie process is, but is it normal to have them?)
[06:31] <tsrk> all i have installed is a LAMP server and samba and proftpd
[06:31] <tsrk> the zombie process disappeared after a while (before i could figure out what it was)
[06:53] <tsrk> when I login, I get a bunch of system info, what's generation that?
[06:53] <tsrk> what command can i run to get it?
[06:53] <nobse> tsrk: uname -a?
[06:54] <tsrk> no, like system load, memory usage, swap usage, usage of /, processes
[06:55] <nobse> that's not the default behaviour
[06:55] <tsrk> it appears to be...
[06:55] <tsrk> i installed ubuntu server 8.10 on two machines today and both have it
[07:00] <twb> Because I am paranoid about security, I recommend vsftpd over proftpd.
[07:00] <twb> ...just FYI
[07:11] <nobse> tsrk: I've never seen this on any of my 8.10 servers.
[07:11] <tsrk> nobse, really?
[07:11] <nobse> tsrk: Really.
[07:11] <tsrk> i think i figured out why thought
[07:12] <tsrk> there's this thing updating the motd every 10 mins
[07:12] <tsrk> it's something related to landscape
[07:12] <tsrk> but i don't use landscape...
[07:25] <nobse> tsrk: aptitude purge landscape-common
[07:26] <nobse> tsrk: The output is from landscape-sysinfo, which is part of landscape-common package.
[07:26] <tsrk> nobse, i wasn't really wanting to get rid of it, i was wondering how to output that stuff using a shell script
[07:27] <tsrk> ah
[07:27] <tsrk> perfect, thanks
[07:59] <lwizardl> Hi
[07:59] <lwizardl> would this be the proper channel to get help with PXE server setup?
[08:25] <lwizardl> anyone here ever configured a PXE server to do network OS installs?
[08:35] <Yagisan> lwizardl, once a long time ago. it's very similar to setting up a standard network boot setup, like used by ltsp - so I'd go looking at their docs and the isc dhcp server manual if I where you
[08:37] <domas> lwizardl: yes
[08:37] <domas> in a way :)
[08:37] <domas> I don't know what is "PXE server", I'd usually use DHCP+TFTP :)
[08:39] <domas> lwizardl: http://p.defau.lt/?wwxyhf_F0dWD1HWSZs8rxw
[08:40] <domas> you may also want to have this:
[08:40] <lwizardl> ok I've never done this before
[08:40] <domas> http://p.defau.lt/?1ADT0i6RVb5TaPx9yvHM6A
[08:40] <lwizardl> I've only setup a few linux web servers , and about 30 desktops
[08:40] <lwizardl> yeah loading the page now
[08:41] <lwizardl> ok i don't understand that page
[08:41] <kraut> moin
[08:41] <domas> thats dhcp configuration
[08:42] <lwizardl> is that the /etc/networking/interfaces
[08:42] <domas> no, thats dhcpd.conf
[08:42] <lwizardl> hmm
[08:44] <lwizardl> ok my server doesn't seem to find it
[08:44] <lwizardl> i'll be back in a few going to do a fresh server install
[08:45] <domas> install dhcpd
[08:47] <lwizardl> what pport does PXE/tftp use?
[08:49] <hads> hads@sodium:~$ grep tftp /etc/services
[08:49] <hads> tftp		69/udp
[08:52] <lwizardl> k
[09:12] <lwizardl> ok clean server installed
[09:30] <lwizardl> ok i tried to do an apt-get install dhcpd and it failed
[09:30] <lwizardl> E: Package dhcpd has no installation candidate
[09:31] <domas> apt-cache search dhcp?
[09:32] <Yagisan> lwizardl, sudo apt-get install dhcp3-server
[09:32] <lwizardl> Yagisan, that worked thanks
[09:33] <Yagisan> np
[09:33] <lwizardl> ok just got an error after it installed and tried to start
[09:33] <lwizardl> how do i check syslog again
[09:33] <domas> ...
[11:55] <PC_Nerd> Hi,  I'm wondering what everyone uses to monitor their servers.  I'm wanting something extremely small and lightweight.... that only really monitors proccess/threads/memory usage (similar ot windows task manager), and network usage per proccess (packet sniffer sort of)... any suggestions?
[12:10] <soren> Something that monitor network usage per process is unlikely to be lightweight.
[12:10] <soren> PC_Nerd: What are you actually trying to achieve?
[12:12]  * Yagisan er uses Virtual Machine Manager for somewhat obvious reasons
[12:12] <PC_Nerd> Basically, nothign as complex a monitoring as nagios etc.....   mainly jsut monitoring/counting bandwidth - and being able to use monitoring to graph ram usage per proccess( so i can compare it to events in the server I'm building etc).
[12:13] <PC_Nerd> if I know the proccess is chewing up RAM etc - then I can kill it or fix it.....  ultimately ill build it into a web based panel for myself - but I only want it minimal at the moment.
[12:15] <soren> PC_Nerd: No, finish this sentence:
[12:15] <soren> I want to do all this monitoring, so that I....
[12:16]  * soren heads to lunch... be back in half an hour
[12:18] <PC_Nerd> "I want to do all this monitoring, so that I can display it and analyse it ( graph it etc) on a web based interface, without having to install large systems like nagios.
[12:46] <soren> PC_Nerd: If you're not going to *do* anything with it, what's the point?
[12:47] <soren> PC_Nerd: Just showing it is pointless if you're never going to take any action based on it, and until you know what sort of action you might take on it, it's virtually impossible to perform the correct monitoring.
[12:48] <fruchtix> well, you can also use data from forensics to learn more about your system
[12:49] <fruchtix> and what nagios does is basically to combine certain functions and tools. for each and every aspect there is command line tools that provide the raw data
[12:50] <PC_Nerd> eventually, the action ill be taking is restricting operations of the server based on the logging - such as RAM and networking.   I essentially want to replicated a web based  "windows task manager" for the server.
[12:50] <fruchtix> when you feed the right keywords to sites like freshmeat.net you can find loads of useful tools
[12:50] <fruchtix> PC_Nerd: sorry, but that does not make much sense what you just said
[12:50] <fruchtix> are we talking about user limits?
[12:51] <fruchtix> you plan to limit resources per user?
[12:52] <fruchtix> if you dont know much about how certain system components work, then you might do better to use a framework like cpanel or similar
[12:57] <PC_Nerd> I'm trying  to avoid bulky systems like cpanel or nagios..... ultimately- as i jsut said I want to create a web based task manager for my server...... with minimal features of displaying memory usage, network usage etc. - are there any tools that do this, or will I have to write my own?
[12:58] <henkjan> PC_Nerd: phpmyinfo ?
[13:04] <PC_Nerd> never heard of it - and google's not returning anything useful.... do you mean phpmyadmin ( which is the web based mysql system as im sure you know)
[13:06] <fruchtix> either you use console tools or you go by frameworks
[13:07] <fruchtix> anything graphical that is also web based wont fit in the category "slim and non bulky"
[13:08] <fruchtix> any usability feature is adding extra layers which is adding lots of code which is adding complexicty
[13:08] <PC_Nerd> ok, so the best method would be to write a small daemon that calls the console tools to find the data I want, and write it to a log - then get the web based Cgi or php script to read that log and display the results accordingly ?
[13:09] <fruchtix> nagios is doing exactly that
[13:09] <soren> *bzzzzzt*
[13:09] <PC_Nerd> hm ok ( I just dont like it thats all)... ill look into doing that custom for myself.
[13:09] <PC_Nerd> thanks
[13:09] <fruchtix> good luck
[13:09] <soren> PC_Nerd: Really... The best method would be to *really* find out what you need the data for and how you intend to use it.
[13:10] <fruchtix> soren: i think the problem is that he does not have much of an overview yet
[13:10] <soren> PC_Nerd: I honestly doubt that you'll be spending much time actually looking at the output of stuff like "free" and "df".
[13:10] <soren> It's really not very useful.
[13:10] <fruchtix> the situation is a bit like a young man who wants to build a house without knowing how to carry a stone
[13:11] <PC_Nerd> ok
[13:11] <fruchtix> and trust me, you need to carry lots of stones to build a house
[13:13] <soren> PC_Nerd: It's hard to help and guide with such vague requirements. What I've gathered so far is that you want to "look at stuff" and "do stuff with it".
[13:14] <soren> Oh, and it must be lightweight.
[13:14] <PC_Nerd> basically - its sort of like a live control panel - i only have ssh access to the server (as in most cases I would assume) - thus instead of being able to simply view the system resources through a gui..... i want to be able to place that online....
[13:15] <PC_Nerd> I guess I havent investigated nagios extremely closely... but my understanding is that it is fairly bulky?
[13:15] <fruchtix> there is not much understanding, i can see that
[13:15] <soren> "live control panel" is exactly "I want to look at stuff and do stuff with it".
[13:16] <PC_Nerd> * the "do stuff with it" be external to the system, for example ill end up tailoring it to monitor speciic details about a given list of proccesses - and should they need shutting down i have to do that through a speperate control panel et.c
[13:17] <soren> "specific details" is -- somewhat ironically -- really not specific at all.
[13:17] <fruchtix> PC_Nerd: let me guess, somebody told you "using nagios is uncool because its bloated" and you depend on such statements a lot?
[13:17] <Koon> PC_Nerd: well nagios adds something important, which is defining what abnormal behavior is. Which points us back to soren's question.
[13:18] <Koon> if the final idea is to get alerts on abnormal behavior, then nagios is better than a web-based memory usage list
[13:18] <PC_Nerd> im not trying to isolate and find abnormal behaviour - just monitor behavior full stop - so that I can decide what is abnormal and take action on it ( stop the proccess, restart apache, whatever)
[13:18] <fruchtix> cpanel and similar
[13:18] <soren> At this point, I don't even know if he wants qualitative or quantitative monitoring.
[13:19] <PC_Nerd> whats the difference between the 2... ?
[13:20] <soren> It's difference between answering either/or sort of questions vs. "how much" sort of questions.
[13:20] <fruchtix> PC_Nerd: did you ever google for "ubuntu graphical system monitoring" and spend more than 30 minutes with the results?
[13:21] <soren> E.g. "Am I close to being out of memory" vs. "how much memory do I have available?"
[13:21] <fruchtix> that could be a good training for the monitoring job
[13:22] <PC_Nerd> ok.....  im running 8.04 server, and I want to replicate a very basic implementation of the desktop's "System Monitor"... but as a web based control panel.....   I dont want it to make any decisions on what is normal behavior - or take any action.  its simply a web implementation of the desktop program.
[13:23]  * fruchtix goes AFK for lunch
[13:23] <soren> PC_Nerd: Is that "gnome-system-monitor"?
[13:24] <PC_Nerd> yes
[13:25] <PC_Nerd> i guess at the momen its easier to:
[13:25] <PC_Nerd> write the daemon to get a constant flow of data - write to file, web interface to read form data and proccess into the page - which I can do myself fairly easily
[14:06] <Egonis> I was hoping to deploy a Ubuntu Server w/ a GNOME Desktop environment for remote development -- is it possible to use something similar to Terminal Server for Ubuntu so that multiple users may have active remote logons from Windows PC's?
[14:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> that probably counts as an #ubuntu question, but vnc is usually suggested
[14:08] <soren> Egonis: GDM, X, VNC, GNOME and such are all off-topic for this channel. You want a desktop related help channel, or perhaps ltsp related.
[14:17] <Egonis> soren: Thank you
[14:17] <soren> Egonis: Any time :)
[14:17] <soren> Oh.
[14:17] <soren> He buggered off.
[15:44] <kirkland> nijaba: ping
[15:55] <Adri2000> anybody knows if mathiaz will be here today, later this week, or if he's away?
[15:57] <zul> he probably will be on later today
[15:57] <Adri2000> ok, thanks
[16:07] <fruchtix> Adri2000: is he a famous admin? :)
[16:42] <Adri2000> fruchtix: I just need him for an upload :)
[16:42] <fruchtix> :P
[17:36] <olavimmanuel> Hello. My web server cant be visited... it opens a popup asking for username and password
[17:36] <olavimmanuel> apache
[17:47] <soren> olavimmanuel: Then you must have configured it to do so. Knowingly. It's really not something you do by accident.
[17:48] <olavimmanuel> well, how come i haven't modified my apache settings and it still asks?
[17:49] <olavimmanuel> i added proftp and set it up with tls/ssl and edited hosts to my dns adress...
[17:50] <AnRkey> olavimmanuel, u going through a proxy perhaps?
[17:50] <olavimmanuel> the site works without any prompt for me... its others it asks...
[17:50] <soren> ftp and apache have nothing to do with each other.
[17:50] <olavimmanuel> no, no proxy
[17:51] <AnRkey> i agree with soren on this one, proftp and apache dont even share the same directories for config files so it's not that
[17:51] <soren> I'm guessing you're not all really accessing the same server.
[17:51] <olavimmanuel> i know... thats why i dont understand what happend. permissions are drwxrwxr-x on all files
[17:51] <AnRkey> was my next guess
[17:52] <soren> Perhaps DNS's resolving differently, NATing..
[17:52] <AnRkey> tracepath it and see
[17:52] <olavimmanuel> ok, will try...
[17:52] <AnRkey> ciao all, gotta go feed my son :)
[17:53] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: or did you install multiple services and tools in one row and one of these tools adds some sort of proxy layer or adds security measures?
[17:54] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: or is that a modified version of ubuntu that was pre-installed by a hosting provider?
[17:54] <olavimmanuel> maybe... i did that trying to install tovid
[17:54] <olavimmanuel> no
[17:56] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: have a look at the dpkg.log in /var/log and see if there is a package installed that restricts the access to the web server. a php framework could try to do that also
[17:56] <olavimmanuel> ok, will do...
[17:57] <olavimmanuel> running tracroute here and there now..
[17:57] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: i dont think you get much useful data from a traceroute. i would compare your apache configuration against the default configuration
[17:58] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: and browse your web root for files like ".htaccess" and such
[17:58] <olavimmanuel> done that... nothing there
[17:58] <fruchtix> and make sure you follow the sym links in the web root to its origin and check there too
[17:59] <olavimmanuel> i have no symlinks yet
[18:00] <fruchtix> then i would "xxdiff" all apache config files against the corresponding file from the original apache package to see what changed
[18:01] <olavimmanuel> the other person uses a proxy to the ip the server has... maybe a localhost restriction..?
[18:01] <fruchtix> that would not be default behaviour
[18:02] <olavimmanuel> traceroute to xxx.gotdns.com (ip), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
[18:02] <olavimmanuel> 1  xxx.customer.lyse.net (same ip)  1.734 ms  1.272 ms  1.244 ms
[18:03] <olavimmanuel> that was her traceroute... ill check with xxdiff now
[18:03] <fruchtix> hang on, just to make sure
[18:03] <fruchtix> the IP of the server's internet interface is matching the IP your friend gets from gotdns?
[18:04] <olavimmanuel> jes
[18:04] <olavimmanuel> *yes
[18:04] <fruchtix> okay, not that you waste your time :)
[18:04] <olavimmanuel> ?
[18:05] <fruchtix> some people forget to update the dynamic name service or configure it wrong. so when the IP of the server changes the DNS entry points to the old IP
[18:06] <fruchtix> i was guessing you were past that check when i jumped in the conversation
[18:07] <olavimmanuel> ok :P no, i made sure that it would update every 10 and tested it :) still have access here :)
[18:08] <olavimmanuel> =dyndns has the correct ip
[18:09] <fruchtix> very good, so we take the next step and see who bad thing fiddled with your apache config without asking you first
[18:10] <olavimmanuel> could you try the page? http://oib.gotdns.com/index.html
[18:10] <olavimmanuel> if it works for you it has to be a localhost block. perhaps the router?
[18:11] <fruchtix> works fine, shows the default page "Welcome"
[18:11] <fruchtix> oh
[18:11] <fruchtix> me silly forgot to ask for that, your friend is on the local network? :)
[18:11] <olavimmanuel> mhm
[18:11] <fruchtix> oh no
[18:12] <olavimmanuel> ?? the router?
[18:12] <fruchtix> i am sorry. should have asked that ages ago
[18:12] <olavimmanuel> np
[18:12] <fruchtix> your friend needs to use the lan IP not the internet IP in that case
[18:12] <olavimmanuel> you suffered as much as i
[18:12] <olavimmanuel> ok. will tell her :p Thanks a ton! :D
[18:13] <fruchtix> otherwise you need post- and pre-routing setup in that way so the data packets can travel from the LAN to the Internet and back to the LAN. which is very unlikely to work with most hardware routers
[18:14] <olavimmanuel> Ok. Great fruchtix. Thank you!
[18:14] <fruchtix> olavimmanuel: welcome :)
[19:00] <geekboxjockey> I have several Ubuntu 8.04.1 VMs running on 8.04.1. When I run xm shutdown (domain name) the console output shows a shutdown sequence and then halts without completely "turning off" and disappearing from the xm list listing. (it state is 's' indefinately unless i run xm destroy)
[19:00] <geekboxjockey> How can I fix this so that xm shutdown completely shuts a  VM down and removes it from the listing?
[19:01] <geekboxjockey> i tried adding the apm power_off=1 to /etc/modules as some sites list as a solution to this issue but it did not fix this issue.
[19:14] <Fenix|work> Greetings...
[19:15] <Fenix|work> ... a quick quesiton.  user accounts stored in /etc/passwd would be authenticated using a PAM module correct?
[19:16] <nicetry> I'm going to create a virtual machine running 8.10 server with lamp, what are the minimum hd and ram allotments I can get away with?
[19:17] <geekboxjockey> I'm running an apache2 vm and a mysql-server vm, each has about 512mb ram, db is 40gig, webserver is 20gig
[19:17] <geekboxjockey> the hdds are only at about 10% use right now
[19:17] <geekboxjockey> depends a lot on your application though
[19:18] <geekboxjockey> how many users accessing it, etc
[19:18] <nicetry> I'm bascially testing the waters, going to try running open-audit on it
[19:19] <geekboxjockey> both vms are the minimal debootstrap-ed installs of 8.04 @ just under 500mb OS footprint
[19:19] <geekboxjockey> i think for testing you could get away with less than 512mb of ram,
[19:19] <jmedina> Fenix|work: actually not only a module, but yes, pam_unix.so is the one
[19:19] <geekboxjockey> hdd size is really personal preference
[19:20] <Fenix|work> jmedina, I was thinking about using PAM auth for Apache, and would require an Apache module... so that's where module comes from.  Thanks :)
[19:25] <nicetry> both vms are the minimal debootstrap-ed installs of 8.04 @ just under 500mb OS footprint
[19:26] <nicetry> sorry, didn't mean to paste that there, I was trying to google what you ment by deboostrapped
[19:26] <geekboxjockey> its an installation method
[19:27] <geekboxjockey> basically pulls a minimal command-line based system down from the ubuntu repositories
[19:27] <geekboxjockey> on sec
[19:27] <geekboxjockey> one*
[19:30] <geekboxjockey> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-8.04-server-install-xen-from-ubuntu-repositories
[19:30] <geekboxjockey> it should be similar for 8.10
[19:30] <geekboxjockey> nicetry: thats where i figured out how to do the basic xen VM installs (its a lot less intimidating after you go through it once)
[19:32] <geekboxjockey> also you might want to apt-get remove network-manager (it tries to assign a dhcp address to the network bridge 'device' xen creates) otherwise your vms may not get network connectivity
[19:32] <nicetry> ah
[19:32] <geekboxjockey> if you are using the bridge network xen config (default)
[19:32] <nicetry> I've already setup vmware on the 8.10 server thats on the box
[19:33] <nicetry> Now I'm attempting to create vms on vmware one of which will be another server
[19:35] <geekboxjockey> ah ok, sorry, disregard that im in xen mode, lol
[19:35] <geekboxjockey> hopping between here and ##xen, my bad
[19:37] <nicetry> haha, its cool. I'm really just feeling out how small I can make ubuntu.  I found this http://www.howtoforge.com/minimal-ubuntu-8.04-server-install which is for 8.04 and uses a desktop cd to install a minimal server, which is interesting
[19:48] <geekboxjockey> I did the same for my xen VM host (8.04.1). There are .seed files on the Ubuntu discs, not sure of the exact location, but you can search for them,
[19:48] <geekboxjockey> they are referred to in the command you launch from the boot menu of the installation disc
[19:49] <geekboxjockey> so you can change desktop.seed or whatever to cli.seed and that basically does the command line only installation
[19:49] <geekboxjockey> I had to do it that way because for some reason there was not another visible method for doing a command line only install from the "alternate" cd
[20:01] <nicetry> I see, so you followed a similar path to one in that howtoforge link?
[20:02] <geekboxjockey> yup for the vms, I'm just not sure how similar the process would be for vmware
[20:22] <Deeps> 3 interfaces on my ubuntu router; atm0: usb adsl modem, eth0: lan, eth1: second lan connected to second adsl line with some generic soho adsl modem/router
[20:22] <Deeps> both adsl lines are with the same isp
[20:22] <Deeps> transfers from atm0 to the router get a full 600k/s, transfers from the second line via eth1 also get full speed to the router
[20:22] <Deeps> transfers from atm0 to clients on eth0 tend to be slower, ~300k/s per thread max
[20:23] <Deeps> transfers from the second line on eth1 to clients on eth0 dont have such issues
[20:23] <Deeps> i take that back
[20:23] <Deeps> transfers from the second line on eth1 to clients also seem to be limited around 300k/s per thread
[20:25] <Deeps> suggests the issue may be on the router
[20:58] <SerWou> Hi
[20:59] <KillMeNow> Howdy
[20:59] <SerWou> Got a problem : "unknown keyword "map_static=/etc/.."
[21:00] <SerWou> I want to share NFS between my linux box and another one with different UID/GID
[21:01] <KillMeNow> i assume you're using Ubuntu?
[21:02] <SerWou> yep
[21:02] <SerWou> ubuntu-server
[21:04] <KillMeNow> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/q=using+NFS+Ubuntu
[21:05] <KillMeNow> sorry, that won't help you
[21:05] <soren> SerWou: Which nfs server are you using?
[21:07] <SerWou> nfs-kernel-server but I've tested nfs-user-server but it seems to not export anything at all
[21:07] <KillMeNow> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=using+NFS+ubuntu
[21:07] <soren> I don't think map_static works with the kernel one.
[21:07] <KillMeNow> there that would work better
[21:08] <SerWou> thanks KillMeNow : already googled
[21:08] <KillMeNow> ahh...  k
[21:08] <soren> How exactly to they address the specific problem of the nfs server not knowing map_static?
[21:08] <soren> Err..
[21:09] <KillMeNow> usually ppl who come in and say "How do i...." haven't googled
[21:09] <SerWou> Well, is there another solution instead of map_static
[21:09] <SerWou> remote uid/gid is : 501/20 and I want to map to 1001/1001
[21:09] <soren> KillMeNow: If you're going to teach folks to google for solutions to their problem, you might want to actually include some search terms from their question.
[21:10] <SerWou> missing "unknown keyword map_static" for example
[21:11] <KillMeNow> sorry, having a rough and frosty day today...  probably shouldn't be taking it out on ppl in here
[21:11] <soren> You can either use the up/down-call mapping mechanism from nfsv4 or go with the nfs-user-server, afaics.
[21:12] <geekboxjockey> that site is golden btw, site of the day! (letmegooglethatforyou.com)
[21:12] <SerWou> hold on, man export should say more about uid/gid mapping
[21:12] <soren> It does.
[21:15] <KillMeNow> http://www.scribd.com/doc/2329085/The-Linux-Network-Administrators-Guide
[21:15] <KillMeNow> page 294
[21:15] <KillMeNow> has some info about the exports file and UID's
[21:15] <KillMeNow> not sure if it's a big help, but hopefully it does
[21:15] <SerWou> ok, thanks, let me chec
[21:18] <AnRkey> how many append lines can i have in my menu.list file?
[21:19] <KillMeNow> you referring to GRUB?
[21:20] <soren> AnRkey: Per boot entry? I'm going to guess just one.
[21:20] <AnRkey> ok thanks
[21:21] <AnRkey> i am going to throw this box through the wall
[21:21] <SerWou> hehehe AnRkey
[21:21] <AnRkey> fighting the good fight with a pxe and preseed.cfg  setup
[21:22] <KillMeNow> ahh, sounds like too much fun AnR
[21:22] <KillMeNow> i've only played with pxe on windows deployment stuff
[21:23] <AnRkey> KillMeNow, i am the master in that department, my kungfu is strong in the RIS, ghost and sysprep department
[21:24] <AnRkey> i have a problem.... i cant stop automating things :)
[21:25] <KillMeNow> LOL
[21:25] <KillMeNow> cool...  i've been wanting to grab an image of my windowsXP box
[21:25] <KillMeNow> not much documentation out there - well good documentation that is - describing how to do it
[21:26] <AnRkey> i know, i almost died on that project
[21:26] <KillMeNow> and i thought MS now calls RIS - Windows Deployment Services after SP2
[21:26]  * AnRkey remembers his fallen brothers in arms
[21:26] <KillMeNow> LOL
[21:27] <AnRkey> at least ubuntu/debian has loads of documentation
[21:27] <KillMeNow> lots of stuff on "How to" for Vista - squat for WinXP
[21:27] <KillMeNow> yub yub
[21:27] <AnRkey> vista has some awesome imaging thingy that i read about a while ago
[21:27] <KillMeNow> course i am not a fan of vista
[21:27] <AnRkey> never tried it though
[21:27] <AnRkey> vista is the reason i switched everything to ubuntu
[21:28] <AnRkey> pluss i saved myself tons of cash when i set my business up
[21:28] <AnRkey> pluss now all i do is linux work :)
[21:28] <AnRkey> funny how things change
[21:28] <KillMeNow> heh yep
[21:29] <KillMeNow> it's too hard now to know both environments really well
[21:31] <AnRkey> well that's what worried me, now i don't care because most of my work is going to be asterisk pbx work
[21:32] <KillMeNow> LOL...  yep, that's alot of my work lately as well
[21:32] <AnRkey> i'm tired of EUs
[21:32] <KillMeNow> in fact i'm beating my head against the table right now to get a FOP panel to work on a separate server that will monitor 6 asterisk boxes
[21:33] <AnRkey> sounds fun
[21:33] <KillMeNow> got apache installed and working properly...  now it's just to figure out all the flash operator planel configs and such
[21:33] <AnRkey> the guy i am doing this preseeding for is doing a 22 site asterisk rollout
[21:34] <KillMeNow> asterisk roxxors my soxxors
[21:37] <SerWou> I think rpc.ugidd should do the trick but still looking for an howto
[21:37] <AnRkey> damn!!! looks like i am going to have to switch back do my working kickstart config instead for 2mrw, cant get this friggen preseed to work properly now
[21:37] <AnRkey> bah
[22:54] <methods> are some of the offensive fortunes like encrypted ???
[23:01] <LH[> thank god I dont use mysql just yet :P
[23:06] <domas> why? :)
[23:06] <LH[> idk it says bug I guess its a bad thing
[23:06] <domas> just the package... ;-)
[23:07] <mark> it's a bug in ubuntu! so ubuntu must be a bad thing...
[23:07] <LH[> so its not the end of the world just yet
[23:07] <LH[> mark yes I just removed ubuntu
[23:07] <LH[> thanks for your concern
[23:07] <mark> :)
[23:09] <domas> =)
[23:10] <LH[> so fellas
[23:14] <methods> does the forutne command have the ability to convert rot13?
[23:15] <hads> fortune | rot13
[23:15] <methods> i dont have a rot13 command
[23:15] <hads> You should get one.
[23:15] <methods> well i have one now
[23:15] <fruchtix> awww, i just prepared a nice lecture on "what is a bug" for LH[
[23:15] <methods> but still... won't that break non rotted fortunes
[23:15] <domas> 'apt-get install bsdgames'
[23:16] <domas> this reminds me, how much time I've spent in slackware's /usr/games back in '95ies
[23:16] <domas> games floppies were most valuable asset
[23:16] <fruchtix> domas: haha, you old fart :P
[23:16] <fruchtix> did you also play the telnet based multi user dungeons?
[23:17] <domas> thats what my boss did
[23:17] <fruchtix> for a few months i only stopped playing to sleep, get food or buy smokes
[23:17] <methods> yea but if I'm not in the offensive directory then 'fortune limerick' for instance says no fortunes found
[23:18] <fruchtix> like the inventors of the game planned to create the perfect addiction
[23:20] <oh_noes> hello, anyone got a second to help with a ubuntu mirror (apt-mirror) problem?
[23:20] <methods> doesn't seem like i need top pipe it to rot13 after its installed
[23:20] <oh_noes> when clients hit my mirror, most things work except repository fails with a GPG error
[23:21] <oh_noes> W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.company.com hardy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 409636EEF435D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[23:21] <oh_noes> I have a thread here with full details if someone could be so kind to take a look:  http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=758220