[01:22] <rocko> when using cdrecord with the option tsize= do  you have to put an s after the numbers ?
[01:46] <s19113i> round circle, (dotted when clicked)upper left corner of each open window, what does it do?
[01:49] <_j1mc> s19113i: it takes the app you're working with, and places it onto all of your workspaces.
[01:49] <s19113i> Thanks, I would have never figured that one out!
[01:50] <_j1mc> s19113i: no problem
[01:50] <_j1mc> :)
[02:06] <Gershwin> load 7.04 on a PIII 128Mb RAM 20Gb HD a couple weeks ago
[02:06] <Gershwin> was pretty snappy
[02:07] <Gershwin> tried the same thing with 8.10 last week and 8.10 was significantly slower
[02:07] <j1mc> Gershwin: 7.04 isn't supported anymore
[02:07] <Gershwin> would you say that my experience is to be expected?
[02:07] <Gershwin> given the machien specs--PIII 1GHz, 128Mb RAM, 20Gb HD
[02:08] <j1mc> Gershwin: yeah - 8.10 did have a few more gnome-related applications, and the ubuntu-base is a little slower in 8.10
[02:08] <j1mc> 9.04 should be faster than 8.10.
[02:08] <Gershwin> i understand j1mc, was just curious about performance on dated hardware w/default CD install
[02:08] <j1mc> yeah... what you experienced is to be expected.
[02:09] <Gershwin> thank you j1mc
[02:09] <j1mc> you're welcome, Gershwin
[02:09] <j1mc> :)
[02:09] <Mood> why is 9.04 supposed to be faster than 8.10?
[02:17] <owen1> i just asked to do 'partial upgrade'. anyone received it as well?
[02:31] <Iradieh> Is there a way to see what is included in Xubuntu, because I am having a hard time choosing between Debian Xfce and Xubuntu
[02:35] <j1mc> Mood: they are doing work to improve boot times in ubuntu for 9.04
[03:12] <BattleStarJesus> do any of you know how to change miro settings?
[04:05] <Iradieh> Is there a way to mount SFTP disk's in Xubuntu/Thunar?
[04:20] <Iradieh> Does anyone here mount their OSX disks with sshfs? OR similar, I am trying to mount my macbook on Debian using SFTP
[04:21] <j1mc> Iradieh: i think you'd need to do it through fuse, but I wouldn't know how to do it exactly.
[04:21] <Iradieh> eh
[04:21] <j1mc> that should give you a bit of a start, though.
[04:21] <Iradieh> I did
[04:22] <j1mc> oh, ok
[04:22] <j1mc> no luck?
[04:22] <Iradieh> seivan@subby:~$ sudo sshfs seivan@192.168.1.2:Desktop/ /home/seivan/sMacBook/
[04:22] <Iradieh> read: Connection reset by peer
[04:22] <Iradieh> No
[04:22] <j1mc> :/
[08:36] <allen_> Great Gods of the Xubuntu IRC chat
[08:36] <allen_> how may I query your infinite knowledge
[08:37] <R1cochet> with another question
[08:37] <allen_> awesome
[08:37] <allen_> ok
[08:38] <allen_> cpuinfo is showing i have 1800 mhz cpu speed
[08:38] <allen_> but system is only running at 1200
[08:38] <allen_> ive tried a few things but to no avail
[08:38] <allen_> setting the on demand to performance resulted in no change
[08:39] <allen_> very new to linux so i dont really know what to do
[08:39] <TheSheep> how do you know that the system is running at 1200?
[08:39] <allen_> ill try to paste it here
[08:40] <Myrtti> please use pastebin
[08:40] <TheSheep> use a pastebin if it's more than few lines
[08:40] <Myrtti> !pastebin | allen_
[08:41] <allen_> paste bin
[08:41] <allen_> never heard of that
[08:41]  * allen_ doin stuff
[08:42] <allen_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121719/
[08:44] <allen_> dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[08:45] <allen_> id like to keep the power saving, i just need a little more go juice when im running virtualbox
[08:51] <TheSheep> hmm... wikipedia says: Running with very low average power consumption and much lower heat output than desktop processors, the Pentium M runs at a lower clock speed than the laptop version of the Pentium 4 (The Pentium 4-Mobile, or P4-M), but with similar performance - a 1.6 GHz Pentium M can typically attain the performance of a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4-M.
[08:52] <Myrtti> doesn't it have speedstep or similar as well
[08:52] <allen_> not sure its an old ass laptop
[08:52] <allen_> i can run xp pro in virtualbox alright
[08:52] <allen_> its just a little sluggish
[08:53] <allen_> i was hoping those few other cpu cycles might help
[08:53] <TheSheep> ah, sorry
[08:53] <TheSheep> it's not pentium-m
[08:53] <TheSheep> it's Pentium 4-M
[08:54] <TheSheep> intel makes it confuxing on purpose XD
[08:54] <allen_> also unrelated to the processor speed
[08:54] <allen_> might have to swing by the virtualbox forums
[08:54] <allen_> transfering files via usb to blackberry
[08:54] <TheSheep> allen_: I'm looking at it, because at one point the name of the processor (1.8Mhz) didn't reflect the actual speed
[08:55] <TheSheep> allen_: at least not the actual frquency
[08:55] <allen_> ah
[08:55] <allen_> so 1.8 does not = 1.8 operating speed
[08:55] <TheSheep> allen_: they used other optimizations and then claimed that it 'feels like 1.8' because of that, but I'm not sure this is the case with your particular model
[08:56] <TheSheep> allen_: can't find any information about that
[08:57] <allen_> i was just wondering if there was a simple way to control throttling
[15:26] <slow-motion> hi
[15:28] <charlie-tca> !hi | slow-motion
[15:28] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[16:15] <wormsxulla> hello hello. i have xubuntu gutsy with python2.5 installed on it, and for a game, i'd like to also install python 2.4. may i do that without breaking python 2.5?
[16:16] <SiDi> i dont know if it'll let you install both..
[16:16] <wormsxulla> that's my question :)
[16:17] <wormsxulla> on windows, i did it with no problem, but i don't know enough about xubuntu to tell
[16:17] <SiDi> doesnt work with python 2.5 ?
[16:17] <wormsxulla> nah, i get mismatch errors like that:
[16:18] <wormsxulla> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627910
[16:19] <charlie-tca> wormsxulla: I don't know if it is still possible. I did it in the past, but not recently
[16:20] <wormsxulla> yikes
[16:20] <wormsxulla> any directions you could give before i break everything? :)
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I will look for it. Give me a minute to research
[16:20] <wormsxulla> sure, thank you
[16:32] <charlie-tca> wormsxulla: Should be okay to do it
[16:34] <wormsxulla> charlie-tca: so just using synaptic and choosing python 2.4? will it let me choose a location to install it (i'd like it on my sdhc card if possible, as the hard disk of the eee pc is very crowded
[16:35] <charlie-tca> yes. It should not overwrite the 2.5 and programs should be able to use it. I don't know that it will allow you to chose the location
[16:35] <vidd> wormsxulla, it will install on the / directory
[16:35] <wormsxulla> ggggrrrrrrrrr
[16:35] <vidd> you cannot change the install location with synaptic....
[16:35] <wormsxulla> could i use apt-get then? (with your help)
[16:36] <vidd> you'd have to compile it by hand, and then add its path
[16:36] <wormsxulla> yikes yikes
[16:36] <vidd> but its small
[16:36] <wormsxulla> ok, so let's go :)
[16:36] <wormsxulla> (gggggrrrr @ synaptic)
[16:37] <vidd> you'd be better off moving you /home (or a portion of it) to your external drive
[16:37] <wormsxulla> i should do that!
[16:38] <vidd> do that and you can synaptic your heart away =]
[16:39] <wormsxulla> hehe :)
[16:39] <vidd> most of my systems only have 5GB or less allocated to the / partition
[16:40] <wormsxulla> that's what i have too, 4gb on the ssd disk and 4gb (still free) on the sdhc card
[16:41] <_Pete_> I have both python2.4 / 2.5 installed on my desktop and both from repositories
[16:42] <wormsxulla> cool
[16:42] <vidd> _Pete_, only reason i mentioned compile was because he wanted it in a strange place
[16:42] <_Pete_> right
[16:42] <wormsxulla> when it will be installed, will the game automagically find the right python?
[16:42] <wormsxulla> <--- girl
[16:42] <vidd> ok (s)he =]
[16:43] <wormsxulla> vidd: not "a strange place", a "place still available" :)
[16:43]  * vidd meant "strange" as in "not where linux normally looks for stuff"
[16:44] <wormsxulla> hehe
[16:44] <wormsxulla> i know, i'm strange
[16:44] <vidd> strange is a GOOD thing....wierd is bad =]
[16:46] <wormsxulla> off-topic; i fell in love with the linux australian conference mascot, it's a tasmanian devil plush disguised as a penguin
[16:46] <wormsxulla> that's how strange i ma
[16:46] <wormsxulla> am*
[16:46] <vidd> wormsxulla, what game you trying to use?
[16:53] <wormsxulla> connection hickups
[17:08] <wormsxulla> alright, so python2.4-minimal installed with success
[17:09] <vidd> wormsxulla, your game work?
[17:10] <wormsxulla> no, i still get the same exact errors, so i guess "python vroomDemo.py" wasn't able to find the right python version
[17:12] <wormsxulla> i do have python2.4 and python 2.5 in /usr/bin, though :)
[17:13] <wormsxulla> maybe "python2.4 vroomDemo.py" would work?
[17:14] <wormsxulla> much better!
[17:14] <wormsxulla> but not yet :s
[17:15] <wormsxulla> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627920 is all i get now
[17:16] <wormsxulla> i'll ask in #python-fr about that :)
[17:20] <vidd> wormsxulla, unfortunantly, python is not my cup of tea
[17:20] <wormsxulla> you prefer other animals? ;-)
[17:23] <vidd> hehe
[17:26] <SiDi> koalas maybe ? :o
[17:28]  * charlie-tca prefers llama
[17:28] <SiDi> april 2010 then :)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> and then I will be happy?
[17:29] <SiDi> dunno
[17:29] <SiDi> i'll compete for lobotomized lemur personnaly
[17:29] <SiDi> nally*
[17:29] <SiDi> w:e
[17:29] <SiDi> err, w/e actually *
[17:29] <charlie-tca> hehe
[17:29] <SiDi> tired :(
[17:57] <Southside_Cortez> Quick question, i have a Canon Multipass F60 Print/Copy/Scan that i just was given. anyone have a clue how i can get it to run. i'm currently using Xubuntu Dual Booted on a Inspiron 8500
[17:58] <Southside_Cortez> Anyone?
[17:59] <vidd> have you tried the printer setup?
[17:59] <Southside_Cortez> i currently dont have the CD for the device at all.
[18:00] <Southside_Cortez> where would Printer Setup be located in the Applications?
[18:00] <Southside_Cortez> or is is under a special menu?
[18:04] <PrntError> ?
[18:05] <vidd> PrntError, its in the settings menu
[18:06] <PrntError> in printer configuration?
[18:07] <vidd> if you cant find it, open terminal and type system-config-printer
[18:08]  * vidd does not see "printer configuration" in the settings menu =[
[18:08] <charlie-tca> depends on the version of Xubuntu
[18:08] <PrntError> latest one from Ubuntu website
[18:09] <charlie-tca> 8.04, 8.10, 9.04?
[18:09] <vidd> PrntError, since your stuff and mine are different, just open teriminal and type system-config-printer
[18:09] <vidd> and if it says "not found" instrall it!
[18:09] <PrntError> installing it is the issue
[18:10] <PrntError> it's on currently and plugged into a USB port
[18:10] <vidd> sudo apt-get install system-config-printer
[18:10] <vidd> same way you install any linux app
[18:11] <PrntError> Package system-config-printer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:11] <PrntError> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[18:11] <PrntError> is only available from another source
[18:11] <PrntError> However the following packages replace it:
[18:12] <PrntError> system-config-printer-gnome system-config-printer-common
[18:12] <PrntError> E: Package system-config-printer has no installation candidate
[18:12] <vidd> !paste
[18:12] <PrntError> is what came up in T
[18:12] <PrntError> sorry bout that'
[18:12] <vidd> install the -gnome then
[18:13] <vidd> or, rather run it as it should already be installed
[18:13] <PrntError> 1 tidbit to add in i'm completely new to Linux in general
[18:15] <PrntError> !paste
[18:15] <PrntError> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121983/
[18:16] <PrntError> that's what came up
[18:19] <vidd> PrntError, so it is already installed....
[18:19] <vidd> just run it (dro the "sudo apt-get install"
[18:20] <PrntError> dro ?
[18:20] <vidd> drop
[18:21] <PrntError> when i go to print something it will only let me print to file
[18:21] <PrntError> it's not listed.
[18:21] <PrntError> Canon MultiPASS F60
[18:21] <vidd> run the printer setup utility!
[18:22] <PrntError> where is that located?
[18:23] <vidd> i thought we just went over this!
[18:24] <PrntError> i typed everything you told me and it didn't install anything.
[18:24] <dojero> Hi all.
[18:24] <vidd> PrntError, type system-config-printer-gnome
[18:25] <charlie-tca> !hi | dojero
[18:25] <PrntError> bash: system-config-printer-gnome: command not found
[18:25] <dojero> I've just been trying out xfmedia (I've used vlc for a long time).
[18:25] <vidd> PrntError, it didnt install anything because the printer configuration tool is already installed...now you just have to RUN the tool
[18:26] <PrntError> ?
[18:26] <dojero> Can anyone tell me about keys that can be used in xfmedia?
[18:26] <dojero> Like volume control?
[18:26] <PrntError> where do i go to run said tool. :( i' sorry for being a pain.
[18:26] <dojero> Space bar works for pause.  And up and down arrows seem to either slow or speed up the video.
[18:27] <dojero> Right and left arrows move forward and reverse.
[18:27] <vidd> PrntError, in terminal....
[18:27] <dojero> But I can't find a volume key.
[18:27] <PrntError> i'm in Term' what do i type to run it?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> dojero: We don't install it. Maybe ask on #xfce
[18:28] <vidd> hit the up arrow key until the "sudo apt-get .... " line comes up......
[18:28] <PrntError> i have Xubuntu 8.10 btw
[18:28] <vidd> PrntError, remove the "sudo apt-get install"
[18:28] <vidd> hit enter
[18:28] <vidd> pastebin the results
[18:28] <dojero> Thanks charlie-tca.  I'll check there.  I don't need to make the switch to xfmedia, but it doesn't look bad to me.
[18:29] <PrntError> remove the sudo apt-get install?
[18:29] <vidd> right
[18:29] <PrntError> what do you mean?
[18:30] <vidd> use the delete/backspace key and arrows to select and remove "sudo apt-get install"
[18:31] <PrntError> ok?
[18:31] <PrntError> so just delete the line and type in what?
[18:31] <vidd> not the line
[18:31] <vidd> the WORDS
[18:31] <PrntError> so now there's no command at all.
[18:32] <PrntError> !paste
[18:33] <PrntError> i pasted my entire terminal
[18:33] <PrntError> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121987/
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Print settings in 8.10 is in Applications -> Settings -> Printing
[18:34] <PrntError> it's connected to USB and it's not coming up in the Menu for Printing when i select New Printer
[18:35] <PrntError> it's USB but the option to select USB isn't appearing
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Do other USB devices work? Did you try all the USB ports? sometimes changing the port you plugged into helps
[18:37] <vidd> if the printer configuration tool is not helping....its outside my ability (this is why i only use HP printers---they are the ppl that MAKE CUPS)
[18:37] <PrntError> this printer was given to me. NOT my choice TRUST ME lol
[18:38] <PrntError> my USB mouse works. in every usb port and i'm plugging the printer into another port now.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Some of the ports have higher power than others
[18:38] <vidd> is the printer plugged into the wall?
[18:38] <PrntError> it's on and everything
[18:39] <vidd> pastebin the output for lsusb
[18:39] <PrntError> Green Lights on printer.
[18:40] <PrntError> http://paste.ubuntu.com/121988/
[18:41] <vidd> you have a usb hub?
[18:41] <PrntError> no.
[18:41] <PrntError> 2 ports in the back of the dell laptop
[18:41] <PrntError> i'm on Inspiron 8500
[18:42] <vidd> there are 4 usb slots?
[18:42] <PrntError> only 2.
[18:43] <PrntError> i dont know why it shows 4 diff bus.
[18:43] <vidd> strange....
[18:43] <PrntError> installed xubuntu 3 days ago
[18:43] <vidd> i dont suppose your printer is net-enabled?
[18:44] <vidd> (has a NIC)
[18:44] <PrntError> don't think so. it looks older than me
[18:44] <PrntError> i tried it in XP but the website's drivers dont even work on XP when they say there for XP
[18:45] <charlie-tca> maybe the printer doesn't work?
[18:45] <vidd> if the thing wont work on XP with XP drivers....its quite possible the pinter (or usb cord) is broke
[18:47] <PrntError> it came up in the Auto Installation Wizard when you plug something in.
[18:47] <PrntError> name of it and everything
[18:47] <PrntError> i'll try a diff cable though i have extra
[18:47] <vidd> PrntError, just out of curiosity...what happens when you press the "scan" button?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> That only means windows detected the usb device, not that it actually works
[18:48] <enoztlane> i cannot change language with alt_shift.what should i do?
[18:48] <vidd> alt-shift changes language?
[18:48] <PrntError> well when i click scan that button lights up and says it's in scan mode. THEN i click Start but nothing..
[18:48] <PrntError> maybe busted....
[18:49] <PrntError> i hate hand me down electronics
[18:49] <enoztlane> in windows changes.in xubuntu?
[18:49] <vidd> use the "language" applet
[18:49] <enoztlane> where i should go?
[18:50] <PrntError> thanks anyway. thank you everyone for your help
[18:50] <vidd> right-click on a panel...add....[name of language switching applet]
[18:51] <enoztlane> you mean language support?
[18:51]  * charlie-tca needs a coffee break now
[18:51] <vidd> tbh...i only know english...so i havent played with it
[18:52] <enoztlane> which panel?
[18:52] <steve`rogers> hi guys
[18:52] <steve`rogers> i've problem with installation of xubuntu 8.10 in my ibook G4
[18:53] <steve`rogers> the cdrom is not detectred
[18:53] <steve`rogers> during installation
[18:53] <enoztlane> vidd can you help me?
[18:54] <vidd> enoztlane, where ever you want the applet to be
[18:54] <enoztlane> what should i do analytically
[18:54] <steve`rogers> someone could help me?
[18:54] <vidd> steve`rogers, is your ibook PPC or Intel?
[18:54] <steve`rogers> ppc
[18:54] <enoztlane> vidd please help
[18:55] <vidd> steve`rogers, use the PPC version
[18:55] <steve`rogers> vidd I'm using that
[18:55] <vidd> enoztlane, you need to install the language switching panel app you want to use
[18:55] <steve`rogers> vidd: I've this
[18:55] <steve`rogers> xubuntu-8.10-alternate-powerpc.iso
[18:56] <enoztlane> how can i do that?
[18:56] <vidd> steve`rogers, did you set bios to boot from cd?
[18:56] <steve`rogers> vidd: yes, cd boot
[18:56] <vidd> enoztlane, have you LOOKED into the panel apps?
[18:56] <enoztlane> no
[18:56] <steve`rogers> vidd: but after configure keyboard the installation doesn't find cdrom device
[18:56] <vidd> steve`rogers, ah
[18:57] <enoztlane> the only thing i find is language support
[18:59] <steve`rogers> vidd: what do you think could be the problem?
[19:01] <vidd> sorry guys....
[19:02] <vidd> had to step away for a sec
[19:02] <vidd> steve`rogers, i believe there is a known issue with the cd rom detection failing...but i dont know the cause or cure
[19:03] <vidd> enoztlane, try selecting the language support panel app and see if it does what you expect
[19:03] <steve`rogers> vidd: oh,
[19:03] <enoztlane> ok.see you guys i cannot find a solution
[19:04] <steve`rogers> vidd: is possible to find this issue?
[19:04] <vidd> enoztlane, i know there is a solution
[19:04] <vidd> i just dont know it myself
[19:04] <vidd> cody-somerville had suggested you go to #ubuntu-installer
[19:05] <steve`rogers> yes done
[19:05] <vidd> the PPC is no longer "officially" supported...and I have never personally laid hands on a MAC
[19:06] <steve`rogers> ah :(
[19:06] <steve`rogers> maybe some old version of xubuntu could work?
[19:06] <vidd> i believe 6.06 was the last official supported
[19:06] <rocko> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0217092samsung1.html
[19:06] <steve`rogers> I mean xubuntu...
[19:07] <steve`rogers> not ubuntu
[19:07] <vidd> there is a direct upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04
[19:07] <vidd> steve`rogers, do the sever install first
[19:07] <rocko> of course  this is xubuntu isn't it steve`rogers
[19:08] <steve`rogers> how can I do server install?
[19:08] <zoredache> debian was just released its ppc port is supported, and will be relatively up to date
[19:08] <vidd> with the alt cd, choose "cli-only"
[19:09] <steve`rogers> ok I try
[19:10] <steve`rogers> vidd: cli-powerpc is ok?
[19:10] <vidd> yes
[19:10] <vidd> once it is installed....run the gauntlet of updates
[19:10] <steve`rogers> vidd: what's does it means "cli" ?
[19:10] <vidd> go from 6.06 to 8.04
[19:11] <vidd> cli = Command Line Interface
[19:11] <vidd> then go 8.04 to 8.10
[19:11] <vidd> then install the desktop environment
[19:11] <steve`rogers> I've choosen cli, but same problem
[19:11] <vidd> with the 6.06 install disk?
[19:12] <steve`rogers> yes
[19:12] <vidd> that was a quick download and burn
[19:12] <steve`rogers> I've it burned
[19:14] <vidd> then im out of ideas
[19:14] <steve`rogers> I'm retrying with 8.10
[19:15] <steve`rogers> /dev/cdrom it says is not good
[19:15] <steve`rogers> but i don't know where is cd
[19:15] <vidd> what did -installer say?
[19:15] <steve`rogers> ls /dev don't reveal anything
[19:17] <vidd> steve`rogers, have you looked http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=133?
[19:18] <steve`rogers> now check
[19:49] <vidd> steve`rogers, any luck?
[19:49] <steve`rogers> vidd: not now, how can I check the integrity of image?
[19:50] <vidd> steve`rogers, when you boot, there should be an option to "check cd for defects"
[19:59] <brandon6> In Ubuntu.......I can right click an icon and select "Add to Panel".......but i've seem to lose that functionality in Xubuntu, anybody know the work around?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> click add a launcher and fill in the blocks
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not have the quick add thing
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Oh, click on the Panel, add new items, Launcher
[20:10] <brandon6> sweet! thanks charlie-tca ... hmm, what's the command to open terminal..........terminal nor sh works
[20:11] <worms_food> hello hello. i have file-roller installed, and synaptic says it supports .7z files, but it actually doesn't see them as archives
[20:11] <charlie-tca> brandon6: xfce4-terminal
[20:11] <brandon6> sick! thanks charlie-tca
[20:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:12] <steve`rogers> charlie-tca do you know if xubuntu 8.10 image for ppc has some bug? I've problem during installation, can't detect cd device
[20:12] <rocko> hello all
[20:12] <rocko> all to have a good night
[20:13] <rocko> for christmas
[20:13] <rocko> let it snow let it snow
[20:13] <charlie-tca> steve`rogers: I don't know of any off the top of my head. If you file it on launchpad, it will get linked if it is a duplicate
[20:13] <charlie-tca> rocko: NOOOOO snow here, please
[20:14] <rocko> charlie-tca where yo ufrom?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Boise, Idaho, USA
[20:15] <steve`rogers> charlie-tca: yes we can :D
[20:15] <rocko> YES WE CAN OBAMA
[20:16] <charlie-tca> worms_food: did you install p7zip ? You might need it to handle .7z files
[20:16] <vidd> lets keep politics out of this!
[20:16] <steve`rogers> ok vidd
[20:17] <charlie-tca> worms_food: looks like it should be p7zip-full
[20:18] <worms_food> charlie-tca: yes, i'm installing it right now, thank you
[20:19] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:19] <worms_food> :) you're always helpful
[20:19] <charlie-tca> When I am not wrong, anyway.
[20:19] <worms_food> heh
[20:21] <worms_food> it works now, at least file-roller sees the archive
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we don't install all the format files, to save resources
[20:28] <worms_food> stupid question: how do you enter a file name which has a space (e.g. second game.py) in command line. "second game.py" with quotation marks?
[20:28] <TheSheep> yes
[20:28] <TheSheep> or second\ game.py
[20:28] <Pres-Gas> That or second\ game.py
[20:28] <TheSheep> or 'second game.py'
[20:28] <Pres-Gas> Gaaa
[20:28] <Pres-Gas> LOL
[20:28] <worms_food> oh :)
[20:28] <worms_food> thanks all!
[20:29] <TheSheep> worms_food: use tab-completion
[20:29] <TheSheep> worms_food: type the beginning and press tab
[20:29] <worms_food> nice trick to know!
[20:29] <TheSheep> worms_food: it also works with package names with apt-get and many otehr places
[20:29] <TheSheep> even on irc
[20:30] <Pres-Gas> If you have a bunch of similarly named files, pressing tab twice will list all matches to what you have, worms_food.
[20:31] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep does that work in the package managers and what not?  I have not thought to try it.
[20:31]  * Pres-Gas tries
[20:32] <Pres-Gas> Yep, sho do.
[20:32] <TheSheep> it even works with remote files with scp
[20:32] <worms_food> hehe
[20:33] <worms_food> unveiled secrets!
[20:33] <TheSheep> next will be 'apt-get moo'
[20:34] <worms_food> this brings TheSheep to every computer? ;)
[20:34] <worms_food> oops, TheCow, i meant
[20:35] <Pres-Gas> The only thing for me is when I am in a room and trying to type a path for someone and I attempt to tab complete in the IRC window for the file path...I have been doing that alot lately.
[20:35] <Pres-Gas> :P
[20:37] <TheSheep> my irssi does it
[20:37] <Pres-Gas> Nice, TheSheep.  By default or an extra script?
[20:37] <TheSheep> by default
[20:37] <Pres-Gas> You are tempting me....
[20:38] <Pres-Gas> I have been using finch for all my IM needs...and I know it is not the ideal IRC client, but it gets the job done.
[20:38] <Myrtti> I use irssi for all my IM needs :-)
[20:39]  * charlie-tca uses XChat
[20:39] <Myrtti> bitlbee ♥
[20:39] <Pres-Gas> Elaborate, Myrtti for the class...ahhhhh, yeah, that has tempted me too
[20:39]  * worms_food is a great fan of chatzilla (which supports bitlbee too)
[20:40] <Pres-Gas> I used to use xchat and then went to weechat
[20:41] <zoredache> irssi + bitlbee is only true way to im...
[20:41] <worms_food> :)
[20:44] <Pres-Gas> Unfortunately, there are people that I wish to talk too that are Luddites and think Facebook IS the internet.  Instead of proslytizing to them about the wonders of jabber or OSS, it is sometimes easier to just get the Pidgin FB pluggin.
[20:44] <Pres-Gas> At least with the pluggin, I do not have to actually log in to that damnible page.
[20:45] <vidd> facebook has an IM?
[20:46] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, and the pluggin allows me to make FB just another IM protocol
[20:46] <Pres-Gas> I don't have to necessarily log in to do other things...just to accept friend requests for now.
[20:47] <Myrtti> vidd: it's in backports in intrepid
[20:48] <Grrai> helloes! how come I don't find any java packages in synaptic? I have all repositories suggested in the list enabled... (intrepid)
[20:49] <Grrai> and btw, via add/remove software I did install java... so there they were listed...
[20:50] <vidd> FB is evil
[20:50] <vidd> Grrai, what java package are you trying to install?
[20:51] <Pres-Gas> vidd, I agree, but sometimes you have to go into Gehenna to rescue the fallen sometimes.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> click search, java, got over a hundred
[20:51] <Grrai> i thought I did install java 6
[20:51] <charlie-tca> It is listed in Synaptic-Package-Manager as sun-java6-???
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Are you installing the jre or jdk?
[20:53] <vidd> Pres-Gas, if the fallen have bitten into FB, they cannot be saved
[20:53] <SiDi> vidd: Pres-Gas what are you speaking about ? :)
[20:53] <Pres-Gas> LOL
[20:53] <Pres-Gas> SiDi, FaceBook
[20:53] <Grrai> charlie, as I said, to my big surprise neither quick, nor normal search deliver me any java-packages in synaptic. "add/remove software" does, now, why is that? and besies, I must admit that I don't really know which of those you suggested I should install
[20:53] <SiDi> Pres-Gas: makes even less sense now :(
[20:54] <SiDi> Grrai: do you have universe/multiverse ?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> Don't know why. Perhaps need to hit reload in S-P-M .
[20:54] <Grrai> yup
[20:54] <SiDi> The package for Java is sun-java6-jre and i think it's in multiverse
[20:54] <SiDi> since you added the repos, did you update your packages ? (just incase, don't slap me plx :p)
[20:55] <SiDi> update your package list *
[20:55] <Grrai> hehe, yes, I did
[20:55]  * charlie-tca wants to know if light taps are ok?
[20:55] <Grrai> and no, I won't slap
[20:55] <SiDi> Neither bite, huh ?
[20:55] <Grrai> Grrrrr :P
[20:55] <Grrai> hmm, well
[20:56] <SiDi> What if you just type sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre ? (be sure you removed openjdk before)
[20:56] <Grrai> O.O
[20:57] <Grrai> I reloaded the package list, and there is NOTHING
[20:57] <Grrai> could it be that main server is down?
[20:57] <zoredache> there are many mirrors, it is unlikely that all of them are down
[20:57] <TheSheep> Grrai: make sure you have the restricted repository enabled
[20:57] <TheSheep> !repos | Grrai
[20:57] <Grrai> oh, "main server" means, it checks all of them?
[20:58] <rocko> hello
[20:58] <rocko> hello
[20:58] <rocko> saluton
[20:58] <rocko> mi nomo estas tajlero
[20:58] <Grrai> TheSheep: thanks, I thought I knew about that, but I surely will read through it again :P
[20:58] <TheSheep> rocko: yeah, we get the point
[20:59] <rocko> I had to much sugar
[20:59] <ruben> Does anyone know how to monitor system health (temperature etc...) on xubuntu 8.10?
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Grrai: main server means main repository enabled, normally
[20:59] <rocko> in my french toast
[20:59] <rocko> added to much
[20:59] <TheSheep> ruben: there is a 'sensors' panel plugin
[20:59] <TheSheep> ruben: in the repositories
[20:59] <SiDi> rocko: was your 4th phrase an attempt to speak spanish ? :)
[20:59] <rocko> no SiDi
[21:00] <rocko> do you speak spanish SiDi ?
[21:00] <Grrai> charlie-tca, ok. (then I wonder, why I had to install pkg-config and xserver-xorg-dev manually)
[21:00] <SiDi> ruben: i think you can use cpuinfo for the temp. screenlets also have sensors for that, but only for GPU temp. either, cronky (or conky ?) should have such sensors info
[21:00] <SiDi> rocko: i speak spanish (more or less)
[21:01]  * TheSheep looks towards #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:01] <ruben> would xfce4 sensors plugin work?
[21:01] <TheSheep> ruben: it worked when I last tried it
[21:01] <charlie-tca> I don't know the whys, but check in Applications -> System -> Software Sources, first tab Ubuntu Software and make sure they all have checks
[21:01] <TheSheep> ruben: half a year ago
[21:01] <ruben> Lol
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Grrai: just to humor me
[21:02]  * Grrai nods at charlie-tca "Had that done."
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe there is a problem right now with the servers, too
[21:02] <ruben> hat my PC only works for more than half an hour without the case on
[21:03] <charlie-tca> That has happened before
[21:03] <ruben> And I think it may the temp.. But I'm not sure
[21:03] <SiDi> Grrai: where do you live?
[21:03] <Grrai> Finland
[21:03] <SiDi> Most likely your country's servers are down
[21:04] <Grrai> and using a finnish mirror doesn't help
[21:04] <SiDi> I think you can change them in software sources
[21:04] <Grrai> ah
[21:04] <Grrai> okies, I'll try that
[21:04] <SiDi> try the french/german ones, we have strong servers :>
[21:04] <Grrai> :)
[21:04] <ruben> No luck there
[21:05] <SiDi> ruben: did you ever clean your fans inside your pc ?
[21:06] <ruben> They look clean
[21:06] <ruben> The CPU one is fine, and that's the only one I can see
[21:06] <ruben> I can't get to the one inside the PSU
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Should be a fan inside the powersupply
[21:07] <ruben> Ye, how do I get to it?
[21:07] <TheSheep> ruben: you didn't remove the heat sink from the cpu? if you did, did you use that gel when you put it back?
[21:07] <ruben> I haven't touched it, it just looks clean
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I just blow canned air into the power supply, from the inside of the case
[21:07] <TheSheep> ruben: you might want to check the logs from the previous sessions in /var/logs
[21:08] <ruben> I'll try that charlie-tca
[21:08] <ruben> What I really want is a new fan
[21:08] <charlie-tca> ??
[21:08] <TheSheep> we don't have any spare one:(
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Take the house fan and blow it at the case
[21:09] <charlie-tca> The air movement will tell you if something is overheating
[21:10] <SiDi> or put your hand on it
[21:10] <charlie-tca> (when the time is changed)
[21:10] <Grrai> >.< hehe... I was stupid... I missed a mouse-click.... so, I can see the packages again, but still no java *sigh*
[21:10] <SiDi> i suggest you call the hospital BEFORE though
[21:10] <SiDi> Grrai: what ubuntu version do you have ? :/
[21:10] <Grrai> latest
[21:10] <Grrai> 8.10
[21:10] <SiDi> damn that's so weird
[21:11] <SiDi> info sun-java6-jre 22:11	ubottu	sun-java6-jre (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-10-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 6213 kB, installed size 14232 kB
[21:11] <SiDi> Try to download it from packages.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <Grrai> well, I guess there is nothing wrong with add/remove software app?
[21:12] <Grrai> or well, I'll do apt-get
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I use the Synaptic-Package-Manager instead
[21:13] <SiDi> its the same actually
[21:13] <SiDi> i use aptitude in command line :>
[21:13] <charlie-tca> The only thing I see in Add/Remove is java-jdk, which you need if you develop programs
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Oh, that is OpenJava, too
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Sun-java is not listed
[21:16] <Grrai> hmm, I have java jre installed
[21:16] <Grrai> only, it doesn't work, that's why I asked all that fuss
[21:17] <Grrai> I also have java-plugin installed
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to remove the OpenJava from Add/Remove
[21:17] <Grrai> but... does it maybe simply require a reboot?
[21:17] <TheSheep> or run update-alternatives
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Are you on 64-bit ?
[21:18] <Grrai> no, 32-bit
[21:18] <Grrai> according to add/remove openjava is not installed
[21:19] <Grrai> um, openjdk
[21:19] <charlie-tca> that's the one. Then it should be a restart or run update-alternatives, like TheSheep suggested
[21:19] <Grrai> hmm, I'll just reboot and see if anything changes
[21:20] <Grrai> how do I run update-alternatives?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> A reboot takes care of it
[21:21]  * TheSheep always does --all, because I can't remember the names
[21:21]  * charlie-tca restarts, because I can't remember run-alternatives
[21:21] <SiDi> sun-java6-jre is in multiverse for 32/64 bits for sure
[21:21] <Grrai> ok's.
[21:21] <Grrai> I'll do the reboot. See you in a min or 2.
[21:22] <SiDi> alright
[21:29] <Grrai> heya again, SiDi , TheSheep and charlie-tca. XD reboot made Java work
[21:29] <charlie-tca> yw. That is kinda what we are here for
[21:29] <SiDi> Grrai: that's weird :P
[21:30] <SiDi> charlie-tca: make java work ?
[21:30] <Grrai> hmm, but I still don't see java things in synaptic
[21:30] <charlie-tca> no... help with Xubuntu doing what he wants
[21:30] <Grrai> hehe
[21:30] <Grrai> hmm, do I need to add any third-party software repos?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> medibuntu for restricted codecs, if you want them
[21:31] <SiDi> Grrai: multiverse should be enough for java
[21:31] <Grrai> I only have archive.canonical.com... ah ok
[21:31]  * Grrai scratches head
[21:31] <SiDi> free (in terms of cost) proprietary is in multiverse, and medibuntu is for non-free or sometimes illegal packages
[21:32] <vidd> Grrai, what java packages are you looking for?
[21:32] <vidd> if we know what you are looking for, we can help you find them
[21:33] <Grrai> well, actually now I don't need any, because Java works... but I am just very confused that I see and can install Java jre ( and openjdk) from "add/remove" (which I did), but synaptic doesn't list any java-related packages
[21:33] <vidd> Grrai, are you hitting "search" or "quick search"?
[21:34] <Grrai> I tried both.
[21:34] <SiDi> honnestly, open a terminal and type "sudo aptitude update && aptitude search java6"
[21:35] <charlie-tca> It's working, isn't it?
[21:35] <Grrai> it is, charlie-tca
[21:36] <Grrai> (don't fix anything unless it's really broken :P)
[21:36]  * charlie-tca nods
[21:37] <SiDi> Would there be gentoo users, they'd shout at you for saying this :)
[21:37] <Grrai> oops :P
[21:38] <Grrai> SiDi, ok, I really need to do all software related stuff via terminal :)
[21:38] <SiDi> Grrai: i do it just because it's much faster
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Ah, well. This is Xubuntu instead
[21:38] <SiDi> and when i see a windows user having trouble to install an app
[21:38] <SiDi> i go next to him, and tell him to look at how apps should be easy to install
[21:38] <SiDi> (that's my evil side..)
[21:38] <Grrai> hehe
[21:39] <vidd> Grrai, i just did a search for "java" in synaptic and it returned 1154 packages
[21:39] <SiDi> try java6-jre instead :P
[21:39] <Grrai> I can so understand you... I am unfortunately still more close to that windows user
[21:39]  * charlie-tca when asked about windows, explain they are in the wall, where they belong
[21:39] <Grrai> although I have learned...
[21:39] <vidd> hehe
[21:39] <worms_food> tsk tsk :)
[21:39] <SiDi> hehe charlie-tca
[21:39] <Grrai> vidd
[21:39] <SiDi> my mother got dualboot windows/ubuntu on her laptop, each time she asks me about windows i say : dunno, but on ubuntu it's like that
[21:39] <Grrai> oops
[21:40] <Grrai> vidd, I have like ... *count* ... 13...
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I tried putting windows on by computer, they would not balance
[21:41] <charlie-tca> so I put it back in the wall
[21:41] <Grrai> I actually now have a dualboot again (vista >.<, which I left on my new laptop), and I find windows really annoying
[21:41] <vidd> charlie-tca, the old lady says she wants her next machine to have windows....i said im not cutting open the case, and she needs to pick out her own drapes for it =]
[21:41] <Grrai> but well, off topic.
[21:42]  * charlie-tca agreed, bidd
[21:42] <charlie-tca> vidd
[21:42] <Grrai> *sigh* next step would be to get my graphics card driver
[21:43] <keres> Grrai, that's easy. if you're on #ubuntu type !nvidia or !ati and ubottu will guide you through it
[21:43] <Grrai> \o/
[21:43] <Grrai> !nvidia
[21:43] <SiDi> or just go to jockey-gtk and click on activate \o/
[21:43] <worms_dual> next i need to move stuff from my /home to the sdhc card, safely
[21:44] <worms_dual> !relocate
[21:44] <worms_dual> :)
[21:44] <racecar56__> omg the code how to remove gnome and install xfce actually worked without breaking my install!!! w00t
[21:45] <SiDi> i wish it could for me too : half the apps i'm using are gnome ones xD
[21:45] <Grrai> well, late here. I guess, I'll continue tomorrow...
[21:46] <SiDi> Are you currently reinstalling ubuntu Grrai ?
[21:47] <vidd> worms_dual, try this:
[21:47] <vidd> create a new user.....
[21:47] <vidd> log in as that user....
[21:48]  * worms_dual reads vidd
[21:48] <vidd> move all files from /home/[original user] to /home/[new user]
[21:49] <vidd> delete /home/[original user]
[21:49] <vidd> create fstab entry for /home/[original user] on the other drive
[21:50] <vidd> move files from /home/[new user] to /home/[original user]
[21:50] <vidd> log on to original user
[21:50] <vidd> belay that....
[21:50] <Grrai> SiDi, I did yesterday, after wrecking several things, so bad ( I thought), that a reinstall seemed the best
[21:50] <worms_dual> heh
[21:50] <vidd> COPY...not MOVE
[21:50] <vidd> very all is well....
[21:51] <vidd> delete /home/[new user]
[21:51] <worms_dual> copy files from /home... to /home, not move them? does it make a difference?
[21:51] <vidd> ya want to make sure it works...right?
[21:52] <worms_dual> if i move them, linux will remember their paths or stuff and throw errors :)
[21:52] <SiDi> worms_dual: if it fails you still hhave stuff
[21:52] <SiDi> damn, having 2 vms running just killed my battery
[21:52]  * vidd has to go home now
[21:52] <SiDi> me too in 5 mins
[21:52] <SiDi> time to figure out how to install and setup a DNS server :(
[21:52] <SiDi> if anyone knows..
[21:53] <worms_dual> yes. one thing worries me though. i have to click on the icon of the sdhc card for it to mount, so having /home on it won't be a problem at bood?
[21:53] <worms_dual> thank you, vidd
[21:53] <worms_dual> too late
[21:53] <worms_dual> *boot
[21:53] <charlie-tca> worms_dual: put the mount for it in /etc/fstab, and it should be okay
[21:54] <zoredache> worms_dual: what filesystem is on that shdc card?  You probably won't really want your homedir on fat
[21:54]  * worms_dual goes to see what is in /etc/fstab right now
[21:54] <worms_dual> there is a 4gb ext3 partition and a void 4gb
[21:55] <Grrai> night!
[21:55]  * Grrai waves
[21:55] <worms_dual> goodnight Grrai
[21:56] <zoredache> personally, I would set it up through autofs so the card is only mounted when it is needed, but that may be more work then it is worth
[21:57] <worms_dual> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627956 is what i have
[21:58] <worms_dual> in /etc/fstab
[21:58] <SiDi> bye peeps, out of power
[21:59] <zoredache> worms_dual: post the output of 'sfdisk -l' as well
[22:01] <worms_dual> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627957
[22:01] <worms_dual> in french, sorry about this :)
[22:03] <zoredache> no worries... so what you would need to do is add a line to your /etc/fstab that looks like this '/dev/sdb1 /home  ext3  defaults,noatime 0 1'
[22:04] <zoredache> backup/move everything in /home to you shdc drive first though
[22:05] <worms_dual> what does the "noatime" mean?
[22:06]  * worms_dual tries to read 'man fstab"
[22:07] <zoredache> it makes your filesystem access a little faster because it doesn't update the 'last access time' whenever you look at a file
[22:08] <worms_dual> ah
[22:08] <zoredache> you don't have to include that if you don't want.... It is just what I always use for any flash based storage device
[22:09] <worms_dual> i want to include everything that makes my life easier. may i also include in that line that i want every user to be able to mount the card?
[22:10] <zoredache> by adding the line I mentioned, the card will be mounted when the computer boots... users will not be able to mount/unmount the card at all.
[22:11] <worms_dual> oh
[22:11] <zoredache> remind me again, about what you are trying to do?
[22:13] <worms_dual> i'd like to move some things from my /home on the ssd currently, to the sdhc card, because i'm running out of space on the ssd, because xubuntu _insists_ on installing programs on it :)
[22:13] <zoredache> right, but are you trying to move everything from /home onto your sdhc card, or just some stuff?
[22:14] <worms_dual> so in /home, i have ./things (applications data i guess), some documents, and two applications (seamonkey and another one)
[22:14] <worms_dual> zoredache: i don't know... some, maybe the two applications?
[22:15] <worms_dual> which are "big"
[22:15] <zoredache> where did you install those applications from?   Anything you got from the repository would not install programs into /home
[22:15] <zoredache> brb
[22:15] <worms_dual> ok
[22:16] <worms_dual> i got seamonkey from the mozilla ftp and the other one is a mobile phone theme creator which i got from the sony website
[22:17] <worms_dual> because i needed seamonkey 2.0xpre and not the iceape installed in xubuntu, which is old and doesn't do svg as well as the 2.0xpre
[22:18] <worms_dual> now you know all my secrets and i can die! :)