| LaserJock | sbalneav: hi | 04:01 |
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| sbalneav | LaserJock: Hey!!! | 04:03 |
| sbalneav | How's it going? | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: going alright | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: how are you? | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: I heard from #ltsp that you were neck deep in work | 04:05 |
| sbalneav | yeah | 04:06 |
| sbalneav | Still working on and off on the sabayon though | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah? awesome | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | I've been tackling moodle | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: you get anything usable out of sabayon yet? | 04:07 |
| sbalneav | Well, I think you nailed it right on the head. They've taken short cuts by assuming certain "seed" values for panels, apps, etc. | 04:08 |
| sbalneav | So, what I've been doing, in between getting a recalcitrant accounting system up and going... | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | is figuring out the "best" way to generalize how to search the panel gconf namespace. | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | This is the first night I've had a break for two weeks :) | 04:10 |
| sbalneav | how are you making out? | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | well | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | crazy times | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | last week my wife was gone and I had to speak at a funeral | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | Feature Freeze hit and there's still quite a bit to do in Edubuntu land | 04:11 |
| sbalneav | But we've still got time for bugs? | 04:11 |
| sbalneav | I was hoping to take Friday off to spend on it. | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | and we've got some room to play with for important stuff | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | like moodle I'm trying to get for Alpha 5 on Thursday | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | we've got lots and lots of bugs we can look at | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | then the usual doc/artwork sprint | 04:13 |
| sbalneav | ok | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | hey kids | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | Good, I'll book off firday then | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | Hey! How's it going? | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | RichEd has been a bit MIA so I've been trying to make sure the stuff he was going to push is covered | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | brb | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | sbalneav: busy is good | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | ok, back | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: so this Friday you're gonna work on bugs? | 04:24 |
| land | where am i? | 07:11 |
| pem725 | anyone know how to get 1440x900 resolution with the intel 945G chipset? | 11:34 |
| pem725 | specifically, do I use the 915resolution program via an xterm or via a local root term Ctl+Alt+F1? | 11:34 |
| pem725 | well I will give it a shot both ways... | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | Lns: I've got a question for you | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | I've been thinking about these silly Universe metapackages again | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | for tertiary and even perhaps for secondary education we'll likely want to split out subjects | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | so you could have like ubuntu-edu-tertiary-extras-physics or something | 18:44 |
| LaserJock | which seems extrordinarily long | 18:44 |
| Lns | LaserJock: hrm | 18:45 |
| Lns | LaserJock: Is there a possibility that some of these apps would bleed over into other situations where it wouldn't be so strictly tied to, say, "tertiary" ? | 18:46 |
| Lns | We don't want to get too specific imho, otherwise people wont' install and use apps even if it could be of use | 18:46 |
| Lns | you know what i mean? | 18:47 |
| LaserJock | Lns: secondary and tertiary will often overlap | 18:53 |
| Lns | ok | 18:53 |
| Lns | should we consider putting them together? | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | well, the point was that a secondary teacher is looking for secondary | 18:54 |
| LaserJock | and they are going to be slightly different | 18:54 |
| LaserJock | basically, metapackages suck for this kind of control | 18:55 |
| Lns | LaserJock: hrm | 18:56 |
| Lns | it seems as though maybe we're taking too much decision away from the individual school as to which apps they will have | 18:57 |
| Lns | is there any other way to have a collection of apps without mandating that certain ones belong in a certain metapackage and not another as well? Or can you do that? | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | well, it's not about taking decision away | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | it's more about how to get apps to people | 18:58 |
| Lns | LaserJock: right | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | especially in secondar and tertiary there are hundreds and hundreds of apps | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | so the goal would be to have a set of "install this and you should be pretty set" | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | packages can belong to any number of metapackages | 18:59 |
| Lns | LaserJock: oh ok cool | 18:59 |
| Lns | so that makes it much more flexible | 18:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 18:59 |
| Lns | hmmmm | 18:59 |
| LaserJock | the problem is if you select the metapackage you get everything in that metapackage | 18:59 |
| LaserJock | when you get to secondary and tertiary education that's a whole lot of stuff that you may or may not need | 19:00 |
| Lns | yeah | 19:00 |
| Lns | i think splitting the subjects would be a good thing(tm) | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | however, that's a lot of maintanence and packages for people to look at | 19:01 |
| Lns | LaserJock: on the other hand, maybe people (teachers?) who specialize in certain subjects would be better taking care of their subject's metapkgs | 19:02 |
| Lns | and then maybe a few people that overlook the groups overall | 19:03 |
| LaserJock | well, that would help but it's still an issue | 19:03 |
| Lns | sure but it'd be an issue either way wouldn't it? | 19:04 |
| LaserJock | if we even have 5 subjects that puts the number of Edubuntu metapackages at 22 | 19:04 |
| Lns | oh | 19:04 |
| LaserJock | most distros do *maybe* 5 | 19:05 |
| Lns | sounds like we're going about this the wrong way | 19:05 |
| LaserJock | well, that's what I'm wondering | 19:06 |
| Lns | especially if educational types aren't familiar with stuff like this...i'm almost thinking some web-based app description/howto install them thingie | 19:07 |
| Lns | i keep wanting to say we should make videos on how to do these kinds of things and put them up on YT or something | 19:07 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but you don't want to have that for like 20-30 packages | 19:08 |
| Lns | It's such a good resource and it makes HOWTOs very easy to show with screencasts, etc | 19:08 |
| Lns | no, not each one | 19:08 |
| Lns | a single/few videos on how to do things in general like installing the edubuntu apps | 19:08 |
| Lns | and maybe quick vids on how to use each one | 19:08 |
| Lns | it would be a lot of work initially but once you get it out there it's really just there for good | 19:09 |
| LaserJock | right, but *how* do you install the edubuntu apps is the problem | 19:09 |
| Lns | well, i'd think a simple howto/vid/whatever on add/remove would be sufficient, wouldn't you? It doesn't get a whole lot easier than that | 19:10 |
| Lns | even if we did away with metapackages | 19:10 |
| Lns | of course that's an extreme | 19:10 |
| LaserJock | ok, but like I said, there are hundreds of apps | 19:11 |
| LaserJock | are we expecting teachers to pick through them all to figure out what they need? | 19:11 |
| Lns | i think we need to talk to some educational types about what they think would be most sane way to chunk them together | 19:11 |
| Lns | LaserJock: I have a feeling that a lot of teachers would want to pick single apps that they had heard about, and not see a bunch of others install and clutter up their systems.. | 19:12 |
| Lns | i'm sure that's not universal, but still | 19:12 |
| Lns | of course you can do that i'm sure | 19:12 |
| LaserJock | well, they don't want clutter, for sure | 19:12 |
| Lns | without metapkgs | 19:12 |
| Lns | we just need to establish the hierarchy | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | but if you're teaching chemistry I'm sure you want to be able to say "I want secondary Chemistry apps, go!" | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | not "ok, I guess I need to find a periodic table, hmm there are 3 of those. Now I need a 2D editor, gosh there are 5 of those. ..." | 19:13 |
| Lns | yeah | 19:14 |
| Lns | well | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | that's sort of the issue I'd like to be able to solve | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | but without creating a large headache for ourselves | 19:15 |
| Lns | i think the most logical way to do it would be to separate firstly by grade (primary/secondary/etc) | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | so we're doing that for Jaunty | 19:15 |
| Lns | of course that's just how schools are here in cali/US mostly. Not many K-12 schools | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary | 19:16 |
| Lns | ok | 19:16 |
| Lns | and THEN by subject probably | 19:16 |
| LaserJock | that's where it gets tricky | 19:16 |
| Lns | ubuntuedu-primary-mathematics | 19:16 |
| LaserJock | right, but we've got Main/Universe split in there | 19:17 |
| LaserJock | so we end up with ubuntu-edu-primary-extras-mathematics | 19:17 |
| Lns | wow..yeah i see the predicement | 19:19 |
| LaserJock | Main/Universe split will eventually go away | 19:20 |
| Lns | when? | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | don't know yet | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | next release or two | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | but I think the concept of -extras is a good one | 19:20 |
| highvoltage | hmm | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | there's a lot of educational software out there | 19:20 |
| LaserJock | but I doubt we're going to get the kind of developer community that can really support it all | 19:21 |
| LaserJock | so it makes sense to have a "we can't support this fully but we think it's useful for you and want to make it easy to get" | 19:21 |
| LaserJock | or should I just ditch the Universe stuff for Jaunty? | 19:22 |
| LaserJock | I've got a seed branch ready to go | 19:22 |
| LaserJock | but still don't have package lists to put in them | 19:22 |
| LaserJock | nor has anybody reviewed the ubuntu-edu-* ones in Main | 19:23 |
| highvoltage | that's the kind of thing that is nice to workshop face to face | 19:23 |
| Lns | obviously we should make sure the Main apps are completely bulletproof and easy to install/use/etc | 19:25 |
| Lns | first | 19:25 |
| Lns | since they'll get the most exposure | 19:25 |
| LaserJock | well, yeah, that'd be nice | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | but there's an element of timing | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | for a new package I need to really hurry since we're already past Feature Freeze | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | finalizing the package lists has until around Beta | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | but we've also got docs and artwork to take care of | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | moodle and sabayon are still unusable | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to get it so you can install Edubuntu via the DVD but that's having some problems | 19:29 |
| LaserJock | and I'm just about out of steam | 19:29 |
| Lns | Well we don't want to have stuff in there that we've only tested a bit.. maybe it'd be better to push for a later date for some of this stuff | 19:30 |
| LaserJock | right now not much of anything has been tested on Jaunty | 19:32 |
| * Lns doesn't like that symlinks can't become immutable :( | 20:04 | |
| Approximated | Hello | 20:55 |
| Approximated | Is there anybody who can help me? | 20:55 |
| alkisg | !ask | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 20:58 |
| Approximated | I have installet ISO LINUX | 20:58 |
| Approximated | but when starts Linux it require username and password | 20:59 |
| Approximated | which is the username and password | 20:59 |
| Approximated | Linux for Macedonia | 20:59 |
| Approximated | Edubuntu Haier | 20:59 |
| Lns | Approximated: didn't you set up a user acct. during install? | 21:13 |
| Approximated | Now | 21:17 |
| Approximated | I didn't set it | 21:17 |
| Approximated | No* | 21:17 |
| Approximated | I didn't see any field for username and password | 21:17 |
| dewmon689 | hi | 22:13 |
| Lns | hi dewmon689 | 22:13 |
| dewmon689 | lns, do you use edubuntu alot? | 22:15 |
| Lns | dewmon689: what aspect of edubuntu? | 22:15 |
| dewmon689 | well I'm looking for people who use it as a school soloution, specificly ltsp | 22:16 |
| Lns | dewmon689: edubuntu != ltsp anymore, LTSP is integrated with the core OS | 22:16 |
| Lns | Edubuntu is now a collection of educational applications, themes, artwork, etc | 22:16 |
| dewmon689 | where do you think I could best recieve support fot the ltsp side of it? the ubuntu channle is overflowing with people | 22:17 |
| Lns | dewmon689: #ltsp | 22:18 |
| dewmon689 | thank you | 22:19 |
| dewmon689 | damn, no one is saying anything in there | 22:22 |
| alkisg | dewmon689: just ask your question, if people can help you, they probably will... | 22:23 |
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