[04:01] sbalneav: hi [04:03] LaserJock: Hey!!! [04:03] How's it going? [04:05] sbalneav: going alright [04:05] sbalneav: how are you? [04:05] sbalneav: I heard from #ltsp that you were neck deep in work [04:06] yeah [04:06] Still working on and off on the sabayon though [04:06] yeah? awesome [04:07] I've been tackling moodle [04:07] sbalneav: you get anything usable out of sabayon yet? [04:08] Well, I think you nailed it right on the head. They've taken short cuts by assuming certain "seed" values for panels, apps, etc. [04:09] So, what I've been doing, in between getting a recalcitrant accounting system up and going... [04:09] is figuring out the "best" way to generalize how to search the panel gconf namespace. [04:10] This is the first night I've had a break for two weeks :) [04:10] how are you making out? [04:10] well [04:10] crazy times [04:10] last week my wife was gone and I had to speak at a funeral [04:11] Feature Freeze hit and there's still quite a bit to do in Edubuntu land [04:11] But we've still got time for bugs? [04:12] I was hoping to take Friday off to spend on it. [04:12] yeah [04:12] and we've got some room to play with for important stuff [04:12] like moodle I'm trying to get for Alpha 5 on Thursday [04:13] we've got lots and lots of bugs we can look at [04:13] then the usual doc/artwork sprint [04:14] ok [04:14] hey kids [04:14] Good, I'll book off firday then [04:14] heh [04:14] Hey! How's it going? [04:14] RichEd has been a bit MIA so I've been trying to make sure the stuff he was going to push is covered [04:14] brb [04:15] sbalneav: busy is good [04:24] ok, back [04:24] sbalneav: so this Friday you're gonna work on bugs? [07:11] where am i? [11:34] anyone know how to get 1440x900 resolution with the intel 945G chipset? [11:34] specifically, do I use the 915resolution program via an xterm or via a local root term Ctl+Alt+F1? [11:37] well I will give it a shot both ways... [18:42] Lns: I've got a question for you [18:43] I've been thinking about these silly Universe metapackages again [18:43] for tertiary and even perhaps for secondary education we'll likely want to split out subjects [18:44] so you could have like ubuntu-edu-tertiary-extras-physics or something [18:44] which seems extrordinarily long [18:45] LaserJock: hrm [18:46] LaserJock: Is there a possibility that some of these apps would bleed over into other situations where it wouldn't be so strictly tied to, say, "tertiary" ? [18:46] We don't want to get too specific imho, otherwise people wont' install and use apps even if it could be of use [18:47] you know what i mean? [18:53] Lns: secondary and tertiary will often overlap [18:53] ok [18:53] should we consider putting them together? [18:54] well, the point was that a secondary teacher is looking for secondary [18:54] and they are going to be slightly different [18:55] basically, metapackages suck for this kind of control [18:56] LaserJock: hrm [18:57] it seems as though maybe we're taking too much decision away from the individual school as to which apps they will have [18:57] is there any other way to have a collection of apps without mandating that certain ones belong in a certain metapackage and not another as well? Or can you do that? [18:57] well, it's not about taking decision away [18:58] it's more about how to get apps to people [18:58] LaserJock: right [18:58] especially in secondar and tertiary there are hundreds and hundreds of apps [18:58] so the goal would be to have a set of "install this and you should be pretty set" [18:59] packages can belong to any number of metapackages [18:59] LaserJock: oh ok cool [18:59] so that makes it much more flexible [18:59] yeah [18:59] hmmmm [18:59] the problem is if you select the metapackage you get everything in that metapackage [19:00] when you get to secondary and tertiary education that's a whole lot of stuff that you may or may not need [19:00] yeah [19:00] i think splitting the subjects would be a good thing(tm) [19:01] however, that's a lot of maintanence and packages for people to look at [19:02] LaserJock: on the other hand, maybe people (teachers?) who specialize in certain subjects would be better taking care of their subject's metapkgs [19:03] and then maybe a few people that overlook the groups overall [19:03] well, that would help but it's still an issue [19:04] sure but it'd be an issue either way wouldn't it? [19:04] if we even have 5 subjects that puts the number of Edubuntu metapackages at 22 [19:04] oh [19:05] most distros do *maybe* 5 [19:05] sounds like we're going about this the wrong way [19:06] well, that's what I'm wondering [19:07] especially if educational types aren't familiar with stuff like this...i'm almost thinking some web-based app description/howto install them thingie [19:07] i keep wanting to say we should make videos on how to do these kinds of things and put them up on YT or something [19:08] yeah, but you don't want to have that for like 20-30 packages [19:08] It's such a good resource and it makes HOWTOs very easy to show with screencasts, etc [19:08] no, not each one [19:08] a single/few videos on how to do things in general like installing the edubuntu apps [19:08] and maybe quick vids on how to use each one [19:09] it would be a lot of work initially but once you get it out there it's really just there for good [19:09] right, but *how* do you install the edubuntu apps is the problem [19:10] well, i'd think a simple howto/vid/whatever on add/remove would be sufficient, wouldn't you? It doesn't get a whole lot easier than that [19:10] even if we did away with metapackages [19:10] of course that's an extreme [19:11] ok, but like I said, there are hundreds of apps [19:11] are we expecting teachers to pick through them all to figure out what they need? [19:11] i think we need to talk to some educational types about what they think would be most sane way to chunk them together [19:12] LaserJock: I have a feeling that a lot of teachers would want to pick single apps that they had heard about, and not see a bunch of others install and clutter up their systems.. [19:12] i'm sure that's not universal, but still [19:12] of course you can do that i'm sure [19:12] well, they don't want clutter, for sure [19:12] without metapkgs [19:13] we just need to establish the hierarchy [19:13] but if you're teaching chemistry I'm sure you want to be able to say "I want secondary Chemistry apps, go!" [19:13] not "ok, I guess I need to find a periodic table, hmm there are 3 of those. Now I need a 2D editor, gosh there are 5 of those. ..." [19:14] yeah [19:15] well [19:15] that's sort of the issue I'd like to be able to solve [19:15] but without creating a large headache for ourselves [19:15] i think the most logical way to do it would be to separate firstly by grade (primary/secondary/etc) [19:15] so we're doing that for Jaunty [19:15] of course that's just how schools are here in cali/US mostly. Not many K-12 schools [19:16] preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary [19:16] ok [19:16] and THEN by subject probably [19:16] that's where it gets tricky [19:16] ubuntuedu-primary-mathematics [19:17] right, but we've got Main/Universe split in there [19:17] so we end up with ubuntu-edu-primary-extras-mathematics [19:19] wow..yeah i see the predicement [19:20] Main/Universe split will eventually go away [19:20] when? [19:20] don't know yet [19:20] next release or two [19:20] but I think the concept of -extras is a good one [19:20] hmm [19:20] there's a lot of educational software out there [19:21] but I doubt we're going to get the kind of developer community that can really support it all [19:21] so it makes sense to have a "we can't support this fully but we think it's useful for you and want to make it easy to get" [19:22] or should I just ditch the Universe stuff for Jaunty? [19:22] I've got a seed branch ready to go [19:22] but still don't have package lists to put in them [19:23] nor has anybody reviewed the ubuntu-edu-* ones in Main [19:23] that's the kind of thing that is nice to workshop face to face [19:25] obviously we should make sure the Main apps are completely bulletproof and easy to install/use/etc [19:25] first [19:25] since they'll get the most exposure [19:27] well, yeah, that'd be nice [19:27] but there's an element of timing [19:27] for a new package I need to really hurry since we're already past Feature Freeze [19:28] finalizing the package lists has until around Beta [19:28] but we've also got docs and artwork to take care of [19:28] moodle and sabayon are still unusable [19:29] I'm trying to get it so you can install Edubuntu via the DVD but that's having some problems [19:29] and I'm just about out of steam [19:30] Well we don't want to have stuff in there that we've only tested a bit.. maybe it'd be better to push for a later date for some of this stuff [19:32] right now not much of anything has been tested on Jaunty [20:04] * Lns doesn't like that symlinks can't become immutable :( [20:55] Hello [20:55] Is there anybody who can help me? [20:58] !ask [20:58] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [20:58] I have installet ISO LINUX [20:59] but when starts Linux it require username and password [20:59] which is the username and password [20:59] Linux for Macedonia [20:59] Edubuntu Haier [21:13] Approximated: didn't you set up a user acct. during install? [21:17] Now [21:17] I didn't set it [21:17] No* [21:17] I didn't see any field for username and password [22:13] hi [22:13] hi dewmon689 [22:15] lns, do you use edubuntu alot? [22:15] dewmon689: what aspect of edubuntu? [22:16] well I'm looking for people who use it as a school soloution, specificly ltsp [22:16] dewmon689: edubuntu != ltsp anymore, LTSP is integrated with the core OS [22:16] Edubuntu is now a collection of educational applications, themes, artwork, etc [22:17] where do you think I could best recieve support fot the ltsp side of it? the ubuntu channle is overflowing with people [22:18] dewmon689: #ltsp [22:19] thank you [22:22] damn, no one is saying anything in there [22:23] dewmon689: just ask your question, if people can help you, they probably will...