[00:00] <bruce89> rather like my clan name
[00:00] <Stralytic> i don't like that apps they haven't fixed yet get crap notifications, ie, banshee
[00:00] <bruce89> therein lies my problem with it
[00:01] <BUGabundo1> Stralytic: add them to the list that needs pathing and file a bug
[00:01] <BUGabundo1> with a tag "notifications"
[00:01] <BUGabundo1> I've done it for 4 apps now
[00:02] <bruce89> patching stuff to work around downstream problems is not good
[00:03] <maco> bruce89: that's not the problem
[00:03] <maco> those apps are breaking the fd.o spec, that's why it doesnt work
[00:03] <maco> fd.o allows with or without actions. the apps are supposed to check and see if the notification framework is action-capable. if not, they shouldn't send actions. some apps (the broken ones) don't bother checking
[00:04] <BUGabundo1> bruce89: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD ?
[00:04] <BUGabundo1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[00:04] <bruce89> I suppose why bother when the (at the time) only notification daemon supports actions
[00:04] <bruce89> but removing actions is silly in some cases
[00:04] <BUGabundo1> I agree
[00:04] <bruce89> and dialogues are not the right way
[00:05] <maco> the dialoges are a workaround to prevent notifications that say "click ___ to ____" and lack buttons
[00:05] <maco> because if it's asking a question, it is *obviously* a dialog
[00:05] <maco> and if only has OK...why is it asking?
[00:06] <Stralytic> BUGabundo1, banshee already has the bug reported... #327640 and #331695
[00:06] <maco> but still, id like to be able to click the notification to open an IM
[00:06] <bruce89> I hope they goes upstream
[00:06] <BUGabundo1> Stralytic: why 2?
[00:06]  * bruce89 can't speak
[00:06] <BUGabundo1> bug 327640
[00:06] <BUGabundo1> bug 331695
[00:07] <BUGabundo1> Stralytic: do they have the notifications tag?
[00:07] <crdlb> nice, this is much better
[00:08] <crdlb> it's a bit inconsistent that the volume popup has that transparency patch and the brightness one doesn't, though
[00:08] <Stralytic> BUGabundo1, no
[00:09] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: I don't even see one on my laptop for bright
[00:09] <BUGabundo1> just sound
[00:09] <maco> transparency patch?
[00:10] <crdlb> on the gnome-dontmakemespellit-session, I get fancy volume and gtk+ brightness
[00:10] <maco> haha
[00:10] <crdlb> you know, it looks giant and mostly transparent
[00:10] <bruce89> I'd love icons in the brightness ones
[00:10] <crdlb> been in ubuntu since at least gutsy, maybe even feisty
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[00:11] <maco> you mean the compiz ones then?
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> if you enable composite on metacity
[00:11] <maco> the gtk+ ones arent huge, i dont think...
[00:11] <crdlb> it's a patch to gnome-settings-daemon
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> or compiz
[00:11] <BUGabundo1> but they are diff
[00:11] <crdlb> compiz isn't doing it
[00:12] <crdlb> maybe I can get them to just remove that patch since stock ubuntu won't be using it anyway
[00:13] <crdlb> also, gnome-terminal now switches between fake and real transparency
[00:13] <crdlb> awesome
[00:15] <alex-weej> yeah :D
[00:16] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: is that new?
[00:16] <crdlb> yeah, it used to only check once, when creating the window
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> ah
[00:17] <Andre_Gondim> my touchepad scroll is missing =/
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> hey nice... I can do layers of Gnome terminal now
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> with transparency
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> yay
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: did you install from alpha 4?
[00:17] <Stralytic> compiz sux
[00:17] <BUGabundo1> did you read the release notes?
[00:18] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, yeah
[00:18] <BUGabundo1> do you have a multi thouch touchpad?
[00:18] <BUGabundo1> Stralytic: I like it... just wished it was more stable
[00:18] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, no but i will
[00:18] <BUGabundo1> the Nvidia refresh probs are dragging them selfs on for way to long
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: see topic
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[00:19] <Stralytic> intel dont do gl and composite, well it does with uxa if you want bucket loads of instability
[00:19] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: do you have a multi thouch touchpad?
[00:19] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, i will read brb
[00:20] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: do you have a multi thouch touchpad?
[00:21] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, how do i know if a have multi thouch touchpad?
[00:21] <BUGabundo1> if you use two fingers to scroll, does it work?
[00:21] <BUGabundo1> put to fingers togheter and try
[00:22] <crdlb> is that the only multiouch feature enabled by default?
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> lots of users have multitouch and don't know
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> crdlb: I dunno
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> what others are there on most apps?
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> Firefox 3.1 trunk and 3.2 have way more
[00:22] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, well i think is not multi...
[00:22] <BUGabundo1> discussion is still opened if jaunty will have 3.1 or not
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: what laptop is it ?
[00:23] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, i have a scroll area
[00:23] <Stralytic> BUGabundo1, it is? i thought it would be too late to switch to 3.1
[00:23] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, dell inspiron 1525
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> Stralytic: depends
[00:23] <crdlb> Andre_Gondim: that's just for looks, there's nothing special telling ubuntu to enable a scroll area afaik
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> if by a miracle mozilla keeps the time frame, then good
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> but they ALWAYS slip
[00:23] <BUGabundo1> so NO
[00:24]  * BUGabundo1 know not much about the dell familly
[00:24] <BUGabundo1> Andre_Gondim: AFAIK only macs, a few imbs and eeepcs do it
[00:24] <BUGabundo1> but I may be wrong
[00:25] <crdlb> apparently, this T42 has multitouch
[00:25] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[00:25] <BUGabundo1> you didn't know?
[00:26] <crdlb> well, I guess I used it with the synaptics driver on gentoo years ago
[00:26] <BUGabundo1> really?
[00:26] <BUGabundo1> was it in there already?
[00:27] <BUGabundo1> I thought it required the new X >1.5
[00:27] <crdlb> maybe I'm misremembering
[00:27] <Stralytic> bye bye chanserv
[00:29] <Andre_Gondim> bugabundo, maybe the problem was reported here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/320585
[00:29] <BUGabundo1> I thought you DIDN'T have scroll
[00:29] <crdlb> I use the trackpoint most of the time, anyway
[00:31] <bruce89> !glasgow
[00:54] <miik> help, i cant play MIDI files in ubuntu
[00:54] <miik> why?
[00:55] <bruce89> !info wildmidi
[00:55] <miik> i think ubuntu should be able to play this by default
[00:55] <miik> i think Windows can do it
[00:56] <miik> when i clicked on my .mid files in ubuntu, i didnt even get any infobox or error, it just played it silent
[00:56] <bruce89> you need gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
[00:56] <BUGabundo1> yeah
[00:56] <BUGabundo1> no codec for it
[00:57] <bruce89> it requires a large set of sound patches though
[00:57] <miik> i already have gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
[00:57] <miik> but it doesnt play .midi files, its all just silent
[00:57] <bruce89> you also need freepats
[00:57] <xanax`> what's the command to migrate all my repositories (and my system) from ibex to jaunty ?
[00:57] <bruce89> xanax`: update-manager -d
[00:58] <miik> whats freepats? and why do i need all thse kind of different stuff i already have Totem, in Windows this just works
[00:58] <xanax`> ok thanks
[00:58] <bruce89> or do-release-upgrades d
[00:58] <darthanubis> xanax`, be careful
[00:58] <bruce89> miik: the actual sound fonts, they are too big for default installation
[00:58] <miik> oh
[00:59] <miik> if i have freepats, do i sill need gstreamer-ugly? do i still need wildmidi?
[00:59] <xanax`> yeah I know that could break my system.. I don't care that much.. I use ubuntu with Virtualbox..
[00:59] <bruce89> miik: depends how you want to play them
[00:59] <miik> oh
[00:59] <miik> i want play them in Totem
[00:59] <miik> or Rhythmbox or VLC
[01:00] <bruce89> command line: wildmidi, totem: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, VLC: not possible
[01:00] <miik> works in totem now, but when i skip in the song, it goes silent, cant skip
[01:01] <bruce89> that's why it's in the "bad" set
[01:01] <BUGabundo1> xanax`: save us the trouble, and PLEASE read release notes BEFORE upgrading
[01:01] <BUGabundo1> see topic
[01:01] <miik> oh
[01:01] <miik> someone should fix it, so its not bad anymore
[01:01] <miik> cuz i could play MIDI files on Windows 3.11
[01:01] <miik> that was 20 years ago
[01:01] <bruce89> clearly no-one can be bothered
[01:01] <bruce89> but source is that way --?
[01:01] <miik> and i cant play it on my computer with linux in 2009?
[01:01] <BUGabundo1> miik: fell free to help
[01:02] <bruce89> it's not the way FOSS works
[01:02] <bruce89> also, not all instruments are available due to there not being a free version
[01:02] <miik> BUGabundo1, i cant code... but i would think linux in 2009 would be able todo what windows could do 20 years ago...
[01:03] <xanax`> heh... that's not reassuring, BUGabundo1 (I mean... the topic).
[01:03] <bruce89> developers do what they think is important, so clearly no-one thinks MIDI is
[01:03] <BUGabundo1> xanax`: bah never mind bug
[01:04] <BUGabundo1> just chrck the last link
[01:04] <BUGabundo1> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[01:04] <BUGabundo1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[01:05] <bruce89> actually, the GStreamer MIDI plugin is in -bad because of wildmidi's GPL licence
[01:06] <bruce89> oops, my mistake, it's LGPL
[01:07] <syockit> isn't ubuntu's wildmidi a bit old?
[01:07] <syockit> the last time I used it to play anything, it sounded horrible
[01:09] <bruce89> it's the same version as the one in the past, but I see upstream is working on a new one
[01:09] <miik> anyone expericned that thing where the computer cant read anything from the disk and ubuntu locks up, but it kinda is responsive, but 'ls' and stuff dont work?
[01:10] <miik> then you goto the menu to press shutdown, and it appears, but when you press shutdown, nothing happens?
[01:12] <BUGabundo1> miik: bad disk??
[01:12] <BUGabundo1> run smartctl tests on it
[01:12] <miik> idk... it worked perfect until last week
[01:13] <miik> smartmontools want install postfix? wtf?
[01:14] <BUGabundo1> ehehe
[01:15] <BUGabundo1> bug no doubt
[01:15] <miik> smart-notifier dont work, cuz the python call it uses is deprecated
[01:15] <miik> usr/share/smart-notifier/smart_notifier/gui.py:51: DeprecationWarning: Passing the named_service parameter to add_signal_receiver by name is deprecated: please use positional parameters
[01:17] <BUGabundo1> one more bug
[01:25] <bruce89> the magic of Python
[01:27] <miik> smartctl seem to indicate no error
[01:55] <bugabundo> maco: akgraner reported back telling it was the FB plugin. is that your prob too?
[02:03] <maco> bugabundo: what?
[02:04] <bugabundo> didnt u say that pidgin was crashing a lot?
[02:04] <bugabundo> maybe Facebook account?
[02:04] <bugabundo> i know that my twitter account (microcode-purple) causes me a lot of trouble
[02:09] <burner> anyone out there using nvidia-glx-180 with dual screens who can tell me how to change the sides?  my left should be my right and my right my left!
[02:10] <burner> i get some modesetting not allowed gibberish when i try to use nvidia-settings
[02:12]  * bruce89 hopes (sort of) for Facebook adopting XMPP
[02:14] <bugabundo> burner: open nvidia setting and move it arround
[02:15] <bugabundo> but good luck getting the bars to stay where u want them
[02:42] <burner> bugabundo: i can move them, but when I hit apply, it doesn't work these days... that's where it kicks up an error
[02:42] <burner> failed to set metamode, blah blah balh
[02:58] <bugabundo> burner: will have to test it
[02:59] <bugabundo> it was working 2 weeks ago
[04:02] <WT-Udev> bug 317442
[04:05] <TuTUXG> #332270
[04:05] <TuTUXG> bug 332270
[04:07] <Stralytic> bug 1
[04:07] <Stralytic> timeout?
[04:07] <TuTUXG> apparently the broken one didn't affect me...
[04:07] <bruce89> !timeout
[04:08] <TuTUXG> bug 0
[04:08] <bruce89> bug 76757
[04:08] <Stralytic> bug -1
[04:08] <TuTUXG> don't abuse the bot
[04:08] <bruce89> bug 3.14
[04:08] <Stralytic> why not?
[04:09] <TuTUXG> you like to abuse stuff?
[04:10] <TuTUXG> bug 1 should be Microsoft has a majority market share
[04:10] <TuTUXG> !bot-snake
[04:10] <TuTUXG> !botsnake
[04:10] <TuTUXG> !snack
[04:11] <TuTUXG> !botsnack
[04:11] <Volkodav> anybody knows how to make print font bigger ?
[04:12] <TuTUXG> from cml?
[04:13] <TuTUXG> !lp
[04:14] <TuTUXG> ....
[04:16] <WT-Udev> TuTUXG: Yeah, that bug doesn't load
[04:17] <TuTUXG> becuz it's too big
[04:26] <Stralytic> bug 2
[04:26] <Stralytic> doh
[04:26] <Stralytic> bug 666
[04:32] <Stralytic> bug 8086
[04:33] <WT-Udev> Stralytic: here bug 6800
[04:34] <WT-Udev> that's potentially bad.  If there were a chain of bug reports mentioning each other in the subject...
[04:34] <Stralytic> lol
[04:35] <Stralytic> lets make some :D and call them all bug on ubottu
[04:35] <WT-Udev> That's not the kind of game I like to play
[04:35] <Stralytic> party pooper
[04:39] <maco> has anyone else's pidgin buddy list gone invisible?
[04:44] <amoblin> hello!
[05:03] <remu> Hey folks. How is the Alpha looking? I was considering putting it on my system....should I take the warning in the topic with a grain of salt? Or should I heed it completely and run, lol.
[05:06] <WT-Udev> remu: It seems to effect anyone using LVM.  A fix was in progress when I last went to bed, and workaround already exists.
[05:11] <billybigrigger>  /topic #ubuntu+1
[05:11] <billybigrigger> oops
[05:19] <lanoxx-> hi
[05:20] <lanoxx-> i just wanted to ask if there are any main showstoppers still in jaunty
[05:20] <lanoxx-> i was thinking to upgrade to jaunty once the beta is out
[05:20] <lanoxx-> which should be the day after tomorrow, right?
[05:21] <lanoxx-> :)
[05:21] <lanoxx-> trentlemon, are you using jaunty yet?
[05:22] <trentlemon> i am actually! on secondary box
[05:22] <trentlemon> i had question regarding notify-osd
[05:24] <lanoxx-> i saw it, but i cant help about that
[05:24] <lanoxx-> i was just wondering how stable jaunty is at the moment
[05:24] <trentlemon> i havn't had any problems thus far
[05:24] <trentlemon> happy to report
[05:24] <trentlemon> ext4 is very nice
[05:25] <lanoxx-> i want to upgrade once the beta is out, so i can do some bugreports
[05:25] <trentlemon> i see the next alpha is due in another few days
[05:25] <trentlemon> do you know when the beta is
[05:25] <lanoxx-> hehe, i can believe, do you actually notice a real speed improvement?
[05:25] <trentlemon> i don't think i'm imagining it...even the installer seemed faster with copying files
[05:26] <lanoxx-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[05:26] <lanoxx-> cool
[05:27] <lanoxx-> so are there any show stoppers/
[05:39] <remu> lanoxx, I'm on here for the same question, lol.
[05:39] <remu> I was thinking of hopping on either tomorrow onto the Alpha4, or waiting two more days for Alpha5
[05:40] <lanoxx-> hehe, good to know
[05:41] <lanoxx-> i think if i switch i might wait till alpha5
[05:41] <lanoxx-> thats a bit safer after all
[05:41] <remu> Yeah, its only two days away....however, its only two days, so I'm tempted, with the hope of upgrading to it with out a problem, lol.
[05:42] <remu> Boredom seems to tempt me too much, lol.
[05:42] <Lounge> what do ya got to loose?
[05:42] <lanoxx-> especially since it includes the rebuild test from 19th
[05:42] <remu> Lounge, just some time is all, lol.
[05:43] <lanoxx-> well im kinda working on a productive system so if there are major show stoppers at this time i would not upgrade
[05:43] <lanoxx-> for the smaller problems i think can fix a few of them my self or wait till they are fixed
[05:44] <remu> Yeah, I'm in the same boat, this is my main system, so I'm just worried about that stuff.
[05:44] <lanoxx-> e.g are there regressions from 8.10 and does resume/suspend work
[05:44] <lanoxx-> ?
[05:44] <remu> Though, I'm hoping my remote for the laptop might work with Jaunty, and sound "issues" should be gone too.
[05:45] <Lounge> with big problems where i can't bootup - i just bootup into the stable system on the other half of the and and chroot into jaunty to try and fix things
[05:45] <dtchen_> there are significant regressions in terms of audio from 8.10, yes
[05:45] <Lounge> other half of teh hdd*
[05:45] <lanoxx-> hehe, i could do that, does it happen often
[05:45] <dtchen_> so if you're reliant on working sound, alpha 5 likely won't do anything for you
[05:46] <remu> Well, sound was easily fixed by adding a line into alsa-base
[05:46] <lanoxx-> hmm
[05:46] <lanoxx-> sound is kinda important for me
[05:46] <dtchen_> remu: i'm not referring to base quirks
[05:46] <remu> Oh
[05:46] <dtchen_> i'm referring to broken hwptr in the kernel, which really kills glitch-free pulseaudio
[05:47] <remu> I think I'm gonna try it anyways, and if it doesn't work, then I can always re-install Intrepid
[05:47] <remu> ah, understandable
[05:47] <dtchen_> i disabled glitch-free globally for jaunty users because of that regression
[05:47] <lanoxx-> oh, that sounds bad, when will a fix be to expected?
[05:47] <dtchen_> lanoxx-: we're investigating it upstream
[05:47] <remu> Hmm, good to know.
[05:47] <remu> Is there a bugreport we could follow?
[05:47] <lanoxx-> dtchen, ok, :-), could you point me to the bugreport?
[05:47] <dtchen_> bug 330814
[05:48] <remu> thanks dtchen
[05:49] <dtchen_> ugh, too bad a fsck completely hosed my lvm earlier; i have to use my hardy laptop until this rsync completes
[05:50] <remu> lvm?
[05:50] <dtchen_> yeah, my system has been on encrypted lvm for / since hardy
[05:50] <WT-Udev> Yup, same here.
[05:50] <WT-Udev> However I only had that no-cryptsetup issue once
[05:51] <dtchen_> earlier, post-resume, my primary laptop's / emergency remounted-ro, and when it rebooted to fsck, it hosed all of /sbin and /home
[05:51] <lanoxx-> its like partitioning but a different system
[05:51] <remu> Oh, okay
[05:51] <Lounge> just did the updates a few seconds ago and 2.6.28-8- is finally working right on my system
[05:52] <WT-Udev> dtchen_: that sounds painful... why would an FSCK mess up a filesystem though?
[05:52] <dtchen_> WT-Udev: no idea, and i no longer have the setup to debug. as my primary development machine, i _need_ it up and running.
[05:52] <WT-Udev> Yeah I understand
[05:53] <DoYouKnow> hi
[05:54] <DoYouKnow> is there any way to get around having to do a partial upgrade?
[05:54] <DoYouKnow> there isn't a way to force another dist-upgrade?
[05:54] <DoYouKnow> from jaunty alpha 4 to the latest stuff
[05:55] <WT-Udev> DoYouKnow: If you're running Jaunty already then it will remain synced with Jaunty
[05:56] <DoYouKnow> ok, the packages that won't install look like they are not-so-important
[05:56] <DoYouKnow> grub and rhythmbox
[05:56] <DoYouKnow> are the only ones I see
[05:56] <Lounge> looks like pulseaudio is no longer able to load :/
[05:56] <DoYouKnow> well, important but not to the stability issues I'm having
[05:57] <Lounge> module "module-alsa-sink" is failing to load
[05:58] <Lounge> sound works if i do "sudo alsa force-reload" as long as i not start pulseaudio
[05:59] <dtchen_> Lounge: can you pastebin the error from: pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -vv
[05:59] <Lounge> k
[06:00] <Lounge> and just copy it all here?
[06:00] <Lounge> paste it?
[06:00] <dtchen_> please use paste.ubuntu.com or another pastebin
[06:00] <WT-Udev> Lounge: Copy/paste it in to the paste.ubuntu.com buffer or pastebin.com or something, post the URL to your paste
[06:01] <Lounge> never seen that before
[06:01] <Lounge> do i past it in poster or content?
[06:02] <WT-Udev> Load paste.ubuntu.com,  type something like Lounge in Poster, put the huge thing in Content, hit paste
[06:03] <histo> is the mameworld.net site gone or is it just my dns?
[06:03] <Lounge> okay got it
[06:03] <histo> and if it is my dns how do I flush my bind9 server?
[06:03] <histo> its setup as a cache server.
[06:05] <Lounge> doing "pulseaudio" gave allot more error messages
[06:08] <histo> ugh they lost their url.
[06:09] <Lounge> k just pasted the results of pulseaudio -vv
[06:17] <Lounge> oh wait lol
[06:17] <Lounge> forgot to post it lol
[06:17] <Lounge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122212/
[06:26] <dtchen_> Lounge: sec, rsync is eating my bandwidth
[06:28] <dtchen_> Lounge: looks like something grabbed hw:0 while pa suspended
[06:28] <dtchen_> Lounge: what's the output from sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* ?
[06:29] <Lounge> this computer's intergraded sound card and linux's sound system never really got along
[06:30] <Lounge> nothing returned from that cmd
[06:31] <dtchen_> Lounge: ok, sanity-check: please download and execute http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh as a bash script, then tell me the url it generates
[06:31] <Lounge>                      USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[06:32] <Lounge> /dev/snd/controlC0:  lucian     7957 F.... mixer_applet2
[06:32] <Lounge>                      lucian     7964 F.... rhythmbox
[06:32] <Lounge> /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   lucian     7964 F...m rhythmbox
[06:32] <Lounge> /dev/snd/timer:      lucian     7964 F.... rhythmbox
[06:32] <Lounge> hope that wasn't spammy
[06:33] <dtchen_> ah, that makes sense
[06:34] <dtchen_> so GSt is using alsasink instead of pulsesink
[06:34] <dtchen_> please close/quit rhythmbox
[06:34] <Lounge> i turned odd rhythmbox and pulseaudio still errors
[06:34] <Lounge> off*
[06:34] <dtchen_> does speaker-test -c2 work?
[06:35] <dtchen_> it should use the default device, which is routed through pulse
[06:35] <Lounge> yes from the left and to the right and back
[06:35] <dtchen_> Lounge: which device does it say it's using?
[06:35] <Lounge> um
[06:36] <Lounge> says device is default
[06:36] <Lounge> sais default
[06:36] <dtchen_> good, and while speaker-test is running, what does the fuser command give you?
[06:37] <Lounge>                      USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[06:37] <Lounge> /dev/snd/controlC0:  lucian     7957 F.... mixer_applet2
[06:37] <Lounge>                      lucian     9257 F.... speaker-test
[06:37] <Lounge> /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   lucian     9257 F...m speaker-test
[06:37] <Lounge> /dev/snd/timer:      lucian     9257 f.... speaker-test
[06:37] <dtchen_> hmm.
[06:38] <dtchen_> Lounge: did you ever run that alsa-info.sh script?
[06:38] <Lounge> no
[06:38] <Lounge> should i do it?
[06:40] <dtchen_> yes, please
[06:40] <Lounge> where's the location to it?
[06:41] <dtchen_> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[06:43] <Lounge> i don't need root access for this right?
[06:43] <dtchen_> no, you don't
[06:43] <Lounge> k executing.....
[06:43] <Lounge>  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=8c1557a9b431376e1fbaadf8e463a5fc2b9a10ae
[06:46] <Lounge> also everytime i start my computer and boot into ubuntu (ever since) gutsy, i get sound crackling on the left side of the speaker/headphones, but then if i do "sudo alsa force-reload", the sound fixes its self
[06:46] <Lounge> and its normal again until i do a full shutdown
[06:58] <Lounge> brb
[07:14] <Lounge> okay teh new updates seem to fix pulseaudio
[07:14] <Lounge> if i shut it down by doing killall pulseaudio
[07:14] <Lounge> then i can start it using alt-f2
[07:15] <Lounge> however if i start it in the terminal, then i'll have to keep that terminal alive inorder for the pulseaudio daemon to continue running
[07:16] <Lounge> just thaught i'd make a note of that
[07:17] <Lounge> sometimes i don't always want pulseaudio running because of wine
[07:18] <Lounge> if i have a game running in wine and pulseaudio is also running, major problems with a hung X-server occurs
[07:19] <Lounge> i have to switch ttys and killall pulse audio and sudo alsa force-reload to fix the hung desktop
[07:19] <Lounge> "killall pulseaudio"
[07:20] <Lounge> but i think the problem is with wine and it's lack of support for pulseaudio
[07:26]  * maco snorts at dtchen's quit message
[07:26] <maco> Lounge: you should be able to use "pulseaudio -k"
[07:27] <maco> and i dont think start-pulseaudio-x11 requires that you keep the terminal open
[07:29] <crdlb> it's too bad he was allocated with g_slice :(
[07:30] <dtchen> Lounge: pass -D to pulseaudio if you want it to daemonise
[07:31] <dtchen> Lounge: otherwise it will remain in the foreground
[07:31] <Lounge> kk
[07:31] <Lounge> thanks for the info
[07:32] <Lounge> yes -D solved my issue
[07:39] <Lounge> time for a bowl of noodles
[07:43] <Lounge> i must say i like the new look on the song notifer when i have rhytmbox minimized to the pannel
[07:44] <Lounge> shows the new song and a thumbail of the album cover ^^
[07:44] <Lounge> thumbnail*
[07:47] <woody86> Wow! I'm loving the new Kubuntu. Is anyone else running it?
[07:48] <Lounge> wanted to say that the bootup speed with 2.6.28-8-generic is really impressive after the update
[07:48] <billybigrigger> Lounge, what's your bootchart say?
[07:49] <Lounge> i don't know >_>
[07:49] <Lounge> but it was faster at booting up
[07:49] <billybigrigger> install bootchart and reboot
[07:49] <Lounge> okay
[07:49] <billybigrigger> check your /var/log/bootchart/ for a .png
[07:50] <Lounge> will do
[07:50] <billybigrigger> will show you your boot speed
[07:50] <billybigrigger> 0:25 secs for me...updating now and will see what i get
[07:51] <billybigrigger> Lounge, http://billy.tharigga.com
[07:51] <Lounge> when i bootup, i have to put in my luks pass to unlock the root
[07:51] <woody86> are you guys running the ext4 filesystem? I hear that it's quicker to boot than ext3
[07:51] <billybigrigger> i get 25secs from an ext3 partition
[07:51] <woody86> wow
[07:51] <billybigrigger> and yes ext4 is supposed to be faster than ext3
[07:52] <billybigrigger> brb
[07:52] <Lounge> not i haven't setup ext4 yet
[07:52] <woody86> billybigrigger-  what specs?
[07:52] <billybigrigger> i think im going to setup ext4 tommarow
[07:52] <Lounge> can ext4 work well with cryptsetup and lvm2?
[07:53] <woody86> I'm not sure
[07:53] <Lounge> i'm thinking all setup ext4 for when alpha 5 is ready
[07:54] <Lounge> but ext4 its self is still in development right?
[07:54] <billybigrigger> ext4 is stable
[07:54] <woody86> +1
[07:54] <Lounge> well it be added into jaunty?
[07:54] <woody86> it has been for some time now
[07:55] <woody86> it's already in the setup
[07:55] <billybigrigger> it is in jaunty
[07:55] <Lounge> its is? why didn't i see it :/
[07:55] <Lounge> meh i'll just wait for alpha five
[07:55] <woody86> when you make new install select "manual" partitioning, and you can select it in there
[07:56] <Lounge> the way i have this rig setup is
[07:56] <billybigrigger> http://billy.tharigga.com/jaunty-20090224-1.png
[07:56] <woody86> works fine for me for about a month now
[07:56] <Lounge> i use the live cd first to unlock and mount all the lvm partitions first
[07:56] <billybigrigger> kernel update slowed me down 5s
[07:56] <billybigrigger> :(
[07:56] <Lounge> then i install the live cd onto those lvm partitions
[07:57] <Lounge> and i didn't seem to notice an option for ext4 on the format
[07:57] <Lounge> maybe i didn't look
[07:58] <woody86> yeah, it's in there. Just got to go into "Manual" partitioning like I said, and it's an option for "File Type"
[07:58] <Lounge> billybigrigger: what about setting up a boot profile?
[08:00] <Lounge> k im gonna reboot and check the b-chart
[08:00] <Lounge> brb
[08:06] <Lounge> looks like the bootchat clocked the time at 0.40 with kernel option at: ro quiet splash
[08:06] <Lounge> but there was a routine check on one of the partitions
[08:06] <Lounge> not sure if that delayed the time
[08:07] <Lounge> or if that was added in to the chart
[08:07] <Lounge> looks like half of the bootchart png got truncated
[08:24] <CosmiChaos> hehe got my bootup tuned from 29 to 21 seconds :by installing prelink and change from CONCURRENT=none to CONCURRENT=shell andre-profiling the kernel-load. Does anybody know where i can upload my bootchart to show you this incredible fast ootup?
[08:26] <CosmiChaos> !image
[08:26] <CosmiChaos> !paste
[08:27] <billybigrigger> CosmiChaos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting
[08:28] <billybigrigger> upload there
[08:28] <billybigrigger> compare with other user's
[08:29] <CosmiChaos> cannot upload anywhere on that site
[08:30] <Alexia_Death> I have 1200 dpi mouse thats way too sensitive and jitters all the time .  Anybody got aclue how to fix it?
[08:37] <WT-Udev> Alexia_Death: maybe
[08:37] <Alexia_Death> WT-Udev: Tell me?
[08:37] <WT-Udev> http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583533
[08:39] <Alexia_Death> WT-Udev: Seems like almost but not quite. I need to set it for an usb mouse that I hotplug...
[08:40] <Alexia_Death> any gnome/kde level thing fucks with touchpad aswell...
[08:40] <CosmiChaos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DESKTOP-JAUNTY-9.04-ALPHA5-C2D-2%2C67GHZ-EXT4-PRELOAD-PRELINK-CONCURRENTSHELL.png
[08:41] <Alexia_Death> Going to bother X people about this...
[08:41] <CosmiChaos> ups its alpha4 damnit
[08:41] <WT-Udev> Yeah
[08:41] <WT-Udev> You need some kind of per-device setting for xorg 1.6
[08:41] <WT-Udev> I don't think ubuntu has a way of modifying that yet; You MIGHT file a bug about that
[08:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Alexia_Death: Do you have gsynaptic installed to manage the touchpad? Here, I have that controlling the touchpad sensitivity and the regular mouse control-applet to set the USB mouse sensitivity
[08:54] <Alexia_Death> IntuitiveNipple: hmm, I do but never thought of that.
[08:57] <Alexia_Death> IntuitiveNipple:  some sort of balance can be tuned out this way. not perfect but better than before.
[08:58] <IntuitiveNipple> I bet the two configurations interact :)
[08:58] <Alexia_Death> yep. one balancing out against the other.
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Ha! Alexia_Death, you've caused me to discover a bug with the touchpad! I run dual X screens (:0.0, :0.1) and when the touchpad moves the cursor to screen 1 it can't move it back to screen 0 :)
[09:06] <Alexia_Death> heh:)
[09:09] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: Any news on udev stuff you might need tested?
[09:12] <IntuitiveNipple> WT-Udev: fixes releases overnight (udev 138-2 and lvm2 2.02.39-0ubuntu8)
[09:13] <WT-Udev> Ah, I'll have to remove your repository to install them
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I doubt it... I versioned my packages so they would be replaced
[09:13]  * WT-Udev shrugs
[09:14] <IntuitiveNipple> just do an update and they'll be listed
[09:14] <WT-Udev> wee... tons of update stuff
[09:14] <WT-Udev> I already removed the repository (well moved the file to a name that doesn't end in .list)
[09:16] <IntuitiveNipple> good plan
[09:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Any package version that has a ~ will be replaced by a version that matches or exceeds the version before the ~
[09:17] <IntuitiveNipple> So, 138-2 will replace 138-2~something
[09:23] <CosmiChaos> Can anyone familiar with bootup optimizing please watchover my bootchart and tell me if there is anything speial to optimize left? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DESKTOP-JAUNTY-9.04-ALPHA5-C2D-2%2C67GHZ-EXT4-PRELOAD-PRELINK-CONCURRENTSHELL.png
[09:37] <CosmiChaos> will ext4-defrag be a feature of jaunty?
[09:38] <CosmiChaos> or at least will it be available through later upgrades ie 9.04.1 or .2?
[09:41] <WT-Udev> wtf, why'd they disable ctrl+alt+backspace on xubuntu too... I can't remember that bloody extra thing that needs to be added to enable it again...
[09:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Zap something
[09:44] <WT-Udev> You know, I'm sick of this
[09:50] <billybigrigger> WT-Udev, dontzap
[09:50] <billybigrigger> apt-get install dontzap and then sudo dontzap --disable
[09:51] <WT-Udev> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/329150/comments/3 << Don't break
[09:51] <billybigrigger> atleast i had to install dontzap
[09:51] <billybigrigger> worst "feature" of jaunty IMO hands down
[09:55]  * Ng chuckles at the topic. udev not looking so fixed to me
[09:56] <WT-Udev> Ng: what system setup do you have?
[09:57] <Ng> WT-Udev: encrypted root LVM
[10:00] <WT-Udev> More precicely
[10:01] <WT-Udev> List all of the containers in your computer's storage tree
[10:03] <Ng> WT-Udev: I have sda1 as /boot, sda2 as swap and sda5 as the LVM. It's the default setup of intrepid's alternate installer when you pick the "LVM and encrypt my whole disk" option
[10:04] <WT-Udev> Ok, so you have encrypted root and nothing else, right?
[10:04] <WT-Udev> bug 332270
[10:05] <Ng> I forget offhand if it creates a separate /home as well
[10:05] <WT-Udev> It's within the same LVM volume though?
[10:05] <Ng> yeah
[10:05] <WT-Udev> Have you followed the instructions in the link there?
[10:06] <mifritscher> hi
[10:06] <mifritscher> will there be an openvz kernel in the 9.04 release?
[10:07] <Ng> WT-Udev: not yet, on the basis that I should have the fixed packages installed - I updated and rebooted last night after the new packages were in the archive. I also don't see any of the messages people see in that bug
[10:07] <WT-Udev> Ah, Ng get back inside of it via the recovery steps again, but run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade  on the console to try and grab the fixed LVM2 packages
[10:08] <WT-Udev> Actually, you might not need to use anything more than the recovery mode to get there
[10:11] <Ng> WT-Udev: i just get busybox, it fsils to find anything
[10:11] <TuTUXG> nvidia driver can't start x, anybody mind to take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m7afcf74c  http://pastebin.com/mb60f024
[10:11] <WT-Udev> Ng: you did the break=top thing?
[10:12] <Ng> no
[10:12] <WT-Udev> TuTUXG: did you add the ignoreabi thing to your xorg yet?
[10:13] <WT-Udev> Ng: type 'mount'
[10:13] <WT-Udev> what's mounted?
[10:13] <Ng> if if luksOpen the sda5 partition myself in busybox, i get the partitions fine
[10:13] <Ng> WT-Udev: nothing
[10:13] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, ya, i did, but few hours ago that xorg.conf works fine
[10:14] <WT-Udev> Hum... Ng are you sure you didn't add break=top to your recovery line?
[10:14] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, even without the ignoreapi stuff
[10:14] <WT-Udev> It sounds like you're waiting around inside the initrd
[10:14] <Ng> WT-Udev: very
[10:14] <WT-Udev> Did it give you any error messages?
[10:14] <Ng> nope
[10:15] <WT-Udev> TuTUXG: You must add this section to your xorg.conf file
[10:15] <WT-Udev> Section "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[10:15] <WT-Udev> EndSection
[10:15] <WT-Udev> ... stupid irssi
[10:15] <WT-Udev> Section "ServerFlags"
[10:15] <WT-Udev> Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[10:15] <WT-Udev> EndSection
[10:16] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, k i will try that
[10:16] <WT-Udev> Ng: You said you already knew how to mount / and chroot in to it?
[10:16] <Ng> WT-Udev: yeah
[10:17] <Ng> well i can mount it  chrooting seems to hang
[10:17] <TuTUXG> brb
[10:18] <WT-Udev> chroot /where-ever /bin/bash hangs?
[10:18] <WT-Udev> Did you mount -o bind /dev /where-ever/dev
[10:18] <WT-Udev> Did you mount -o bind /sys /where-ever/sys
[10:18] <WT-Udev> Did you mount -o bind /proc /where-ever/proc
[10:19] <WT-Udev> Or you could mount them via the other method
[10:19] <Ng> i would normally mount those after chrooting
[10:20] <WT-Udev> that works too
[10:20] <Ng> huh. works now
[10:20] <WT-Udev> ... o k
[10:20] <Ng> its like the initramfs just doesnt call cryptsetup
[10:20] <WT-Udev> Yeah... that problem's been going around.
[10:21] <WT-Udev> Let me guess, you're naming your root device by uuid instead of mapper name?
[10:21] <Ng> no its /dev-mapper/hostname/root
[10:21] <Ng> err hostname-root
[10:22] <Ng> (bad typing, am using my phone ;)
[10:25] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, no that didn't work
[10:25] <WT-Udev> Ng: try update-initramfs -c -u `uname -r`
[10:28] <Ng> WT-Udev: no joy. gonna read the initramfs scripts
[10:37] <WT-Udev> Ng: no error messages either though?
[10:37] <WT-Udev> Hum... What you really need to do is get online and...
[10:37] <Ng> not that i can see
[10:37] <WT-Udev> aptitude reinstall lvm2 dmsetup cryptsetup
[10:38] <WT-Udev> That might still work offline if they're in your cache
[10:38] <Ng> i am booting now - one can continue bootimg once the root device appeaes
[10:39] <WT-Udev> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config
[10:39] <WT-Udev> You might verify everything that has you do.
[10:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I have several articles on the subject. You might find this one helpful: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/InstallToMultipleLVMsArbitraryEncryption
[10:44] <Ng> if my crypt setup is wrong, it's because intrepid installed it wrong. fixing it on my machine won't help everyone else who is hit by this. I'm going to leave it and file/subscribe bugs :)
[10:49] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: Yeah, shell logic is inverted.  That's because in the shell failure is non-unique but return is unique.
[10:50] <WT-Udev> rather, succeess is unique
[10:51]  * IntuitiveNipple wishes he had time to install his telepathy package :)
[10:52] <WT-Udev> Reading your key-by-usb-file script
[10:52] <Ng> (but I do appreciate the help, btw, and it's interesting to see a lack of much chatter about this - maybe there are few people with a setup like this, but maybe it's just my system)
[10:54] <IntuitiveNipple> WT-Udev: Ohhhh! lol
[10:55] <WT-Udev> Ng: file a bug
[10:55] <WT-Udev> you're person number two who's had issues with cryptsetup not working
[10:55] <WT-Udev> Unless you were the person I was chatting with about... 15 hours ago.
[10:56] <Ng> WT-Udev: that was not me :)
[10:56] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: Your documentation... skimming over it, I don't really see how one specifies the keyfile.  Also, using a keyfile could be problematic as that then gives others something to go look for.
[10:56] <Ng> just checking in #ubuntu-kernel before filing, mainly because I'm not quite sure which package to file it on
[10:56] <Ademan> is it possible for me to add the jaunty repos, install a couple packages from them, then disable them (i'm currently on intrepid) or do i absolutely need a dist-upgrade in order for that to work?  (it's just python2.6 so i don't think the deps will run too deep)
[10:56] <Ng> I want to suspect it's just the initrd scripts
[10:57] <IntuitiveNipple> WT-Udev: The key-file is specifiedin crypttab
[10:58] <WT-Udev> Ah, I see
[10:58] <IntuitiveNipple> then the cryptsetup hook script in initramfs-tools sees to the rest
[10:59] <Ng> hmm interesting, I do get errors about my crypttab entry during boot
[10:59] <IntuitiveNipple> The protection is great for anti-theft protection, provided the key device is kept separately. It means normal boots don't require user input
[10:59] <Ng> I wonder if that's why the initramfs isn't behaving properly
[11:00] <WT-Udev> Ng: probably, the scripts it uses are generated from information IN your crypttab
[11:00] <Ng> the file looks well formed to my eyes
[11:02] <WT-Udev> rootvolume /dev/ubuntu/encryptedroot none luks,retry=1
[11:02] <WT-Udev> All my crypt-tab lines look like that.
[11:02] <Ng> sda5_crypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/38b0be06-f925-48e6-a29f-0a3209bb47c7 none luks
[11:03] <WT-Udev> Ng: can you try commenting out the by uuid lines and replacing them with lines based off the device name?
[11:03] <WT-Udev> such as mine is?
[11:04] <Ng> WT-Udev: that still produces the error during update-initramfs; cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -
[11:04] <Ng> (assuming that the comment character for crypttab is #)
[11:05] <WT-Udev> Yeah, my crypttab has this line in it
[11:05] <WT-Udev> # <target name> <source device>         <key file>      <options>
[11:06] <WT-Udev> update-initramfs -c -u `uname -r`
[11:06] <WT-Udev> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-8-generic
[11:06] <WT-Udev> cryptsetup: NOTE: using /dev/mapper/ubuntu-encryptedroot instead of /dev/ubuntu/encryptedroot for rootvolume
[11:06] <Ng> I wonder if this is just because I did the cryptseutp by hand. Maybe I used a different name to what it expected and now it's confused
[11:07] <WT-Udev> I should note, ubuntu-encrypted root is because the lvm group name is ubuntu
[11:08] <amoblin> Hello everyone!
[11:08] <Ng> hmm yeah I think that's what this is, I did "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 kodachi" which got me /dev/mapper/kodachi-root (which is what I expected), but crypttab calls the device sda5_crypt
[11:09] <WT-Udev> You probably just want to drop the _crypt from the end
[11:10] <Ng> WT-Udev: I should probably reboot and do the manual cryptseutp again with sda5_crypt. That would cause less confusion overall, I think
[11:10] <WT-Udev> Ng: um no
[11:11] <WT-Udev> You don't really need to do that
[11:11] <WT-Udev> Well, maybe if you're re-naming the input/output devices
[11:15] <Ng> WT-Udev: I was right, rebooting and manually specifying the name as-per crypttab and then updating the initramfs again, produces a booting system
[11:15] <Ng> I'm not saying you're wrong, I just prefer not to change things like crypttab because I don't know for sure if anything else needs that name to be consistent
[11:15] <Ng> but it does mean that somehow, whatever generated the initramfs last before I rebooted, got it wrong and mucked up the cryptroot hook
[11:15] <LLStarks> gah.
[11:15] <Ng> sadly I have no way ot knowing what :/
[11:16] <LLStarks> why is phonon still not enabled for qt4?
[11:16] <WT-Udev> Ng: I changed mine
[11:16] <Ng> WT-Udev: fair enough :)
[11:16] <WT-Udev> now everything in crypt-tab uses a /dev/mapper/ubuntu-XXX name.
[11:17] <WT-Udev> You should use that if you have a map-created device, or a UUID/partition if you have a raw device
[11:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I force it to use UUIDs or LABELs
[11:23] <WT-Udev> See, an LVM volume and name -is- a label.
[11:26] <IntuitiveNipple> I meant as in /dev/disk/by-*
[11:27] <WT-Udev> An LVM entry isn't exactly a disc though is it?
[11:27] <WT-Udev> Would disk not then better be block/by or bdev ?
[11:29] <IntuitiveNipple> There was a bug in cryptsetup initramfs-tools hook that prevented it uing UUID/LABELS in crypttab ... I patched that so now it is okay to use LABEL/UUID in crypttab.
[11:34] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: patched the source or your script does that?
[11:35] <IntuitiveNipple> patched source; the package was published about a week ago I think
[11:41] <Bert_2> Hi, I'm going through lots of questions on launchpad and a lot are about jaunty, isn't there stated on the website that you should make bug reports about odd things and talk about stuff here and not make questions ?
[12:05] <maxb> Hmm, Jaunty's gnome-terminal seems to have broken Ctrl-Shift-U-four-hex-digits
[12:05] <maxb> it only accepts the first three
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Give me an example max - I'll try it here
[12:09] <maxb> Hold down Ctrl+Shift and type u20ac
[12:09] <maxb> then release Ctrl+Shift
[12:09] <maxb> You should get a euro-currency sign
[12:09] <IntuitiveNipple> It appears to not take the "C" then shows a "Ȋ"
[12:10] <WT-Udev> Well that completely doesn't work under my konsole running under kde4 on a gentoo system... so...
[12:10] <maxb> I observe it rejecting the input of the c, and producing the U+20a character instead
[12:10] <WT-Udev> must be specific to the gnome stuff
[12:10] <maxb> I assume it's some magic bit of gnome
[12:10] <maxb> I don't suppose anyone knows what it's called?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: It works here
[12:11] <maxb> works?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Press Ctrl+Shift+U. Release Ctrl+Shift. Press 20AC
 It appears to not take the "C" then shows a "Ȋ"
[12:11] <maxb> ^that's it not working, I'd say
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> maxb: When I hold down Ctrl+Shift whilst typing the 20AC it failed.
[12:12] <maxb> weird
[12:12] <maxb> well, it worked with holding them down in intrepid
[12:13] <IntuitiveNipple> maybe Ctrl+Shift+C is bound to something?
[12:15] <maxb> oh
[12:15] <maxb> \Thanks!
[12:15]  * maxb wonders *what* it's bound to
[12:16] <maxb> oh
[12:17] <maxb> copy, apparently
[12:17] <maxb> I'm sure this worked before, though
[12:17] <IntuitiveNipple> It is niggling when someone changes something like that in packages... frustrating and takes ages to figure out
[12:19] <WT-Udev> Yeah, like alt+ctrl+backspace / ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:21] <maxb> Yeah, like replacing the entire notification system hours just before FeatureFreeze
[12:21] <maxb> :-)
[12:21] <Oli``> Hmm what happened to the session dialogue? (The one where you change what loads on boot)
[12:22]  * IntuitiveNipple thinks someone is gonna get plenty of flack about that one
[12:22] <maxb> oops
[12:22] <maxb> fyi: Do *not* accidentally run gnome-session when you meant to run gnome-session-properties :-)
[12:23] <IntuitiveNipple> eeeek
[12:24] <maxb> Amusingly it seemed to get into an infinite loop spawning nautilus instances
[12:25] <maxb> Oli``: So, gnome-session-properties is still alive and well
[12:25] <maxb> Though you're right, it seems to have vanished from the menus
[12:26] <IntuitiveNipple> something has stolen the ability to left-click inside a window to switch focus in my compiz config... I have to click the window decoration... does that make sense?
[12:26] <DrHalan> hey odes anyone else at some sessions have indicator notifcations above the gnome panel
[12:27] <maxb> yes, that seems to have broken recently
[12:27] <maxb> I was just noticing it
[12:27] <DrHalan> but it is just at some sessions
[12:28] <DrHalan> so i guess indicator starts before gnome-panel
[12:28] <DrHalan> but it should be vice versa
[12:40] <Oli``> thanks maxb - you're right: it still exists but the menu entry has been nuked
[12:40] <DrHalan1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/333800 i reportet this bug
[12:40] <DrHalan1> for whoever had this issue too
[12:42] <Oli``> DrHalan1: can you expand on that? I don't understand what you mean and I wouldn't be surprised if others don't either
[12:42] <DrHalan1> best i make a screenshot of it
[12:46] <DrHalan1> Oli``: is that clear enough? http://www.image-ant.org/file/be6c63b5496cce666d61251ff527af3b.png
[12:49] <vbgunz> I am noticing some characters look funny... anyone have an idea why? not all my characters (fonts, text) *but* sometimes here and there I see funny-ass characters like glyphs. anyone know whats happening?
[12:52] <DrHalan1> maybe you set the worng encoding vbgunz :P
[12:53] <vbgunz> DrHalan1: but it doesn't happen all the time. where can I see what encoding I have set?
[12:53] <DrHalan1> loook for "SCIM" it should be in your setting menu
[12:53] <vbgunz> hmmm I had generic english under locale
[12:54] <vbgunz> I changed it to united states
[12:54] <vbgunz> you think that was it?
[12:55] <vbgunz> I dont have SCIM at all
[12:56] <vbgunz> well I made some changes *but* I have to log out and back in to see them
[12:56] <vbgunz> brb, hopefully it works. it can get messy sometimes. not sure what in the world is happening... brb
[12:58] <coz_> guys can ctrl+alt+backspace be enabled/
[12:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, there's some 'Zap' setting to add to xorg.conf
[12:59] <vbgunz> yes
[12:59] <Geforce88> good morning, i have a fresh install of 9.04 (which went well) but when i try to load t he older legacy drivers for the nvidia card i have the file system corrupts. could it be the wrong dirver package for the new kernal ?
[12:59] <WelshDragon> coz_, sudo apt-get install dontzap && sudo dontzap --disable
[13:00] <vbgunz> add Option "DontZap" "off" ... to ServerFlags section
[13:00] <coz_> ok guys thanks we have a guy that needs that to get nvidia crash report but maybe not ... just noticed he got the report without it but  goog to know I have thaat written down now :)
[13:00] <coz_> thanks gusy
[13:01] <vbgunz> damn... I still see funny characters here and there...
[13:01] <vbgunz> damn. I dont have SCIM in settings
[13:02] <Geforce88> the video card is nvidia riva tnt model 64 /model 64 pro (according to lspci)
[13:02] <coz_> I meant "thanks guys  not gusy duh
[13:03] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: Holy crap that's old
[13:03] <Geforce88> i also need to know where to find the 'screens and graphs' section in 9.04 so i can try to use the driver that comes with ubuntu rather than attempt to use the dep from nvidia.com
[13:03] <WT-Udev> You're probably better served with the open source drivers
[13:03] <Geforce88> WT-Udev, i know, but i don't have an extra one to test with
[13:04] <Geforce88> my geforce 8800 is in the good machine
[13:05] <Geforce88> in some of the older releases there was an option where i could manually configure my video drivers, i just can't seem to find it on 9.04
[13:06] <vbgunz> it may have something to do with the font I chose "lohit tamil"
[13:07] <Geforce88> can i just sudo apt-get install the nv package and it work ?
[13:07] <WT-Udev> xserver-xorg-video-nv
[13:08] <WT-Udev> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv
[13:09] <Geforce88> ok, ty
[13:18] <vbgunz> I think the font "lohit tamil" is borked. I changed it to bitstream vera sans 9 and its pretty much the same without the bork (so far)
[13:20] <Geforce88> where is the screens and graphs option to manually set a video driver under 9.04 ?
[13:20] <rootusr> Geforce88, jockey-gtk not working?
[13:21] <Geforce88> yea, it shows no propreitary drivers in use
[13:21] <Geforce88> but i knew that as i don't have them installed
[13:21] <rootusr> Geforce88, but it should show which options you have, right?
[13:21] <Geforce88> the card wasn't picked up on install, and because it's oooooold, i don't even know if i'll be able to use it
[13:21] <rootusr> Geforce88, which card is it
[13:22] <Geforce88> all it popped up was the propiarity drivers dialog, nothing else
[13:22] <Geforce88> nVidia corp nv5m64 riva tnt2 model 64 /model 64 pro
[13:23] <rootusr> wow, tnt2, old stuff
[13:23] <Geforce88> yes it's old, but this is a test of 9.04. i've got a better card to use when i'm ready to upgrade
[13:23] <Geforce88> (see nick name)
[13:23] <rootusr> i think nv driver should be good enough to handle that card
[13:24] <Geforce88> what i need is to find the way to make it use that driver package
[13:24] <rootusr> which should comes default
[13:25] <rootusr> Geforce88, well, i suppose if you install the 8800 and run that program again it should automatically show you what option you get
[13:26] <Geforce88> i don't want to take the 8800 out of the good machine. not now, all i want is the dialog (if it's even in use anymore) so i can change and select the driver package i want to use
[13:26] <Geforce88> on 8.04 i was able to enable the 3d effects, so at least as of 8.04 this card could handle the 3d
[13:27] <rootusr> just curious, the jockey-gtk dialog window is not what you looking for?
[13:28] <Geforce88> again, all it shows me on 9.04 is the propeiraty drivers in use box. there are no options as to select drivers
[13:29] <Geforce88> it's frustrating to want to play with this release, and i can't
[13:29] <rootusr> Geforce88, because there is not restricted drivers suitable for you card
[13:29] <Geforce88> rihgt, so if i have the old way of choosing which driver to use , i'd be happy
[13:30] <rootusr> ...
[13:30] <Geforce88> i take it that option has been removed for a more automated one ?
[13:30] <rootusr> there is no suitable drivers, even you installed them manually and enable them manually they still won't work
[13:32] <Geforce88> well dang, as of 8.04 this card had suitable driver.
[13:32] <Geforce88> ok, thanks for your time
[13:33] <WT-Udev> rootusr: wouldn't the nv driver be suitable?
[13:33] <rootusr> WT-Udev, i told him that
[13:33] <Geforce88> whats it mean when you go to install the nvnida package and it says it's set to manual install ?
[13:34] <Geforce88> "xserver-xorg-video-nv is set to manually installed"
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Geforce88: If you want to try identifying a driver that matches the PCI ID of the installed devices, I wrote a small script that does it. It might help you. http://tjworld.net/wiki/Howto/MatchDeviceIDtoDriver
[13:34] <WT-Udev> nvidia-glx-71 << Geforce88 that MAY work
[13:35] <rootusr> WT-Udev, he wants to use restricted driver for a tnt2, i don't think even 70xx driver can handle it?
[13:35] <WT-Udev> The following GPUs are supported: RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, Vanta/Vanta LT, RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro, GeForce 6800 Ultra, GeF orce 6800, GeForce 6800 GT, Quadro FX 4000, Aladdin ▒
[13:35] <Geforce88> i can use the open source if some one would tell me how to find the option to set it
[13:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Geforce88: What is the PCI device ID of the adaptor?
[13:35] <Geforce88> 03:09.0
[13:36] <IntuitiveNipple> no, the PCI ID... that is the Bus ID
[13:36] <IntuitiveNipple> lspci -nn
[13:36] <Geforce88> i don't know how to find it
[13:36] <Geforce88> ty
[13:36] <IntuitiveNipple> It'll be in [ ... ] brackets: VENDOR:PRODUCT
[13:36] <WT-Udev> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G [10de:0428] (rev a1)
[13:36] <WT-Udev> So 10de:0428 for mine
[13:36] <Geforce88> 10de:002d
[13:37] <WT-Udev> http://smolts.org/smolt-wiki/pci/10de/002d/1545/0002
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> grep '10de.*002d' /lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/modules.pcimap
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> rivafb               0x000010de 0x0000002d 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
[13:39] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: would that work better than xorg nv?
[13:39] <IntuitiveNipple> That's the framebuffer driver.
[13:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Now we need to identify the appropriate xorg driver
[13:40] <Geforce88> you guys have lost me
[13:41] <rootusr> Geforce88, how do you know you are not using the nv driver right now?
[13:42] <IntuitiveNipple> grep -i '10de.*002d' /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*
[13:42] <IntuitiveNipple> /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/nv.ids:10DE002D
[13:42] <rootusr> aha
[13:42] <Geforce88> i guess i am
[13:43] <WT-Udev> IntuitiveNipple: xserver-xorg-video-nv http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv  or nvidia-glx-71 for the binary ones.   It looks like http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix may work for Geforce88 as well
[13:43] <Geforce88> i guess i am
[13:44] <Geforce88> err, sorry, i mean, if i could have found the box i was looking for, i wouldn't have wasted your guys time
[13:46] <Geforce88> i suppose i'll go tear apart computers and find a 64 meg card or something as i know the 3d works (used too) on it
[13:47] <rootusr> Geforce88, so in 8.04 which driver did you use for you card?
[13:48] <Geforce88> i'm thinking it was a 93 or a 96 package number
[13:48] <Geforce88> but when i tried that one this last time i got the kernal mis match, then when i rebotoed the xserver was muffed up
[13:48] <Geforce88> so when i did dpkg-reconfigure, the file system got corrupt
[13:49] <Geforce88> and i had to start over.
[13:50] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: no, 93 or 96 would not work
[13:51] <Geforce88> i don't honestly remember.
[13:51] <Geforce88> meh, it's not a concern, i seriously need to just get a different card.
[13:52] <rootusr> Geforce88, if you go nvidia's web site http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and search for your card if will show you the 7186 driver
[13:52] <WT-Udev> Well, we've already said what drivers will work.
[13:52] <rootusr> WT-Udev, but jockey won't detect it for hime
[13:52] <Geforce88> you did ?
[13:53] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: >> IntuitiveNipple: xserver-xorg-video-nv http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv  or nvidia-glx-71 for the binary ones.   It looks like http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix may work for Geforce88 as well
[13:53] <WT-Udev> Install one of those things
[13:53] <Geforce88> via apt-get? or synaptic? or compile my own ?
[13:53] <WT-Udev> nvidia-glx-71 -may- work, but it probably won't work WITH jaunty as nvidia doesn't have the xorg 1.6 rev protocol in that.
[13:54] <WT-Udev> So for jaunty you'll have to make sure xserver-xorg-video-nv is installed (it should be by default I think) and then just tell it to use the 'nv' driver.
[13:54] <Geforce88> how do i just tell it ?
[13:54] <rootusr> WT-Udev, but the 173 driver works with jaunty
[13:55] <WT-Udev> Sorry, no clue.  It's always autoprobed on my systems and to change it I modify the xorg.conf file by hand
[13:55] <rootusr> I though that one wouldn't support xorg 1.6 neither
[13:55] <WT-Udev> rootusr: yeah, but that one doesn't seem to support that far back
[13:55] <WT-Udev> rootusr: it kind of does, a little (enough) if you ignoreabi
[13:56] <rootusr> WT-Udev, i seriously don't have ignoreabi in my xorg.conf when i tried that
[13:56] <WT-Udev> Well I needed it at the time in mine!
[13:57] <WT-Udev> for the nvidia-180 set
[13:57] <rootusr> huh...
[13:58] <rootusr> WT-Udev, which card?
[13:58] <WT-Udev> 20090224-05:36:31 < WT-Udev> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G [10de:0428] (rev a1)
[13:59] <rootusr> i just realize how fxxed up nvidia's drivers are
[13:59] <maxb> You used to need IgnoreABI. You don't since 180.22 I think?
[13:59] <WT-Udev> Ok, experiment time
[14:00] <Geforce88> i'm so lost now
[14:00] <rootusr> WT-Udev, you shouldn't need if you use 180.29
[14:01] <Geforce88> i used git to dl and now i'm trying to find the man page to find out how to compile it
[14:01] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: you don't need to compile it... these should all be packages in the repositories
[14:01] <rootusr> Geforce88, what did you download?
[14:02] <Geforce88> this is the nv package ?
[14:02] <Geforce88> i'm not smart enough to figure this out. i'll just change cards
[14:02] <Geforce88> cd src
[14:02] <Geforce88> whoops
[14:03] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: the nv package should come with X
[14:03] <WT-Udev> It should already be on your system
[14:03] <Geforce88> it is
[14:03] <Geforce88> this card is using it
[14:03] <WT-Udev> ... what's wrong with it then?
[14:03] <Geforce88>  no 3d support like in 8.04
[14:04] <Geforce88> i wanted to try a different driver like before, so i wanted to know where the option to change the driver via a cute little gui was
[14:05] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: this is the problem you face.  The nvidia-71 driver does -not- support the new X-server protocol.  Therefore, you have no driver with 3d support for that card IN jaunty at this time.
[14:05] <Geforce88> rgr that
[14:05] <WT-Udev> Newer nvidia drivers do not support the anchient card.
[14:05] <Geforce88> i'll continue to play with it and wait on support :)
[14:05] <WT-Udev> Nvidia won't give out the specs to write software for the anchient card.
[14:06] <WT-Udev> You will either need to use 8.10 or earlier on that system, or a different 3d card in order to get 3d effects from that system.
[14:06] <rootusr> nvidia won't give out the specs for all their cards
[14:06] <Geforce88> according to one of the websites , the riva was reverse engineered to be supported
[14:06] <Geforce88> ok, thanks for all your help guys
[14:07] <rootusr> to be supported with 3d acceleration
[14:07] <rootusr> ?
[14:07] <mnemo> how can I artificially injection a SEGV into a user space process for testing purposes??
[14:07] <Geforce88> so this one is not supportedi n 9.04 ? Version: 71.86.06
[14:07] <rootusr> i mean nv does support a little bit 3d tho
[14:08] <WT-Udev> rootusr: it seems he's already using that and it isn't cutting it
[14:08] <Geforce88> it's the only reason i can think of is the video card for the graphics to be 'choppy' on a 2.5 dual core amd with 4 gigs ddr2 ram
[14:08] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: you can install it, but I don't believe the new xserver likes it.  You can try.
[14:09] <rootusr> and add the server flag as well
[14:09] <WT-Udev> Worst case it'll fall back to recovery mode drivers
[14:09] <rootusr> ignoreabi
[14:09] <WT-Udev> #Section "ServerFlags"
[14:09] <WT-Udev> #       Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[14:09] <WT-Udev> #EndSection
[14:09] <WT-Udev> Like that, but without the # in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[14:09] <Geforce88> what does ignoreabi do ?
[14:09] <rootusr> WT-Udev, so u did comment it out
[14:10] <WT-Udev> rootusr: I just tried it after you said it, 'experiment time'
[14:10] <WT-Udev> It does work now.
[14:10] <WT-Udev> It didn't upgrade from 8.10 cleanly
[14:10] <rootusr> Geforce88, ignore the new xorg server's abi
[14:10] <rootusr> WT-Udev, good to hear that
[14:10] <Geforce88> well, can't hurt to try it
[14:10] <WT-Udev> Will that old driver even work?  Well... Geforce88 might find out.
[14:11] <rootusr> it's in the repo
[14:11] <WT-Udev> Yeah, but I don't know if anyone who runs alpha stuff bothers with systems that old.
[14:11] <Geforce88> lol, will i need to generate my own xorg.conf ?
[14:11] <WT-Udev> I do have a geforce2 system that might still boot
[14:11] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: no, but you will need to add that on to the auto-one
[14:11] <Geforce88> ahh, ok
[14:12] <WT-Udev> If you don't know how to do that, it's questionable if Jaunty is the right thing for you to run at this moment.
[14:12] <Geforce88> at this point, it may be worth the time to just simply go get another 8500 or 8800, there cheap now.
[14:12] <Geforce88> i just don't have a pci-e slot on this board
[14:13] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: better for everyone involved if you file a bug report in case that driver can't work.
[14:14] <Geforce88> the 71.86.06 one ?
[14:15] <WT-Udev> it's packaged as nvidia-glx-71 etc
[14:16] <WT-Udev> nvidia-71-modaliases - Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[14:16] <WT-Udev> nvidia-71-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
[14:16] <WT-Udev> nvidia-glx-71 - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[14:16] <WT-Udev> nvidia-glx-71-dev - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files
[14:18] <Geforce88> it's 71.86.08, think that last number will make a difference?
[14:18] <rootusr> no
[14:19] <Geforce88> btw, i love the firefox page where it opens to "welcome to ubuntu 8.10"
[14:19] <Geforce88> on 9.04
[14:19] <Geforce88> i thought i installed the wrong thing at first
[14:19] <Ienorand> Hia, got a bug (#329146) of mine that I'd like to see if I could dig some more in, would anyone have ideas what the next step would be? I'd guess atm that the bug lies in the libbrasero-media0 package somewhere...
[14:19] <rootusr> Geforce88, that will be fixed in beta release
[14:21] <Geforce88> doens't bother me. i just thought it was cute
[14:21] <rootusr> Geforce88, it's still in alpha, you can't ask it too much
[14:21] <Geforce88> rebooting and attempting to use the new driver pakage
[14:21] <Geforce88> meh, it really isn't a bother.
[14:22] <rootusr> just a explanation
[14:22] <Geforce88> do you knw of a way to remote in to a system sitting at hte login screen ?
[14:22] <Geforce88> i hate having to hook it up to stuff to login in then to remove it again
[14:23] <rootusr> ssh?
[14:24] <rootusr> well, that's not graphical tho
[14:24] <BUGabundo> good after noon everyone!
[14:25] <rootusr> Geforce88, how's that driver?
[14:26] <Geforce88> i'm having to hook up a monitor and kb to log in
[14:26] <Geforce88> gonna be a minute or 3
[14:28] <Geforce88> well the first thing i notice is the login screen is vaslty different
[14:28] <Geforce88> vastly*
[14:28] <rootusr> u mean the dark gdm theme?
[14:29] <Geforce88> yes
[14:29] <Geforce88> i like it
[14:29] <Geforce88> attempting to enable 'normal' desktop effects
[14:29] <Geforce88> fail
[14:30] <Geforce88> ok, there is not a xorg.cong to edit.
[14:30] <Geforce88> conf*
[14:31] <rootusr> did you add driver "nvidia" to the Device section in xorg.conf?
[14:31] <WT-Udev> O.o  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  what's that silly gnome sudo edit thing?
[14:31] <Geforce88> gedit
[14:31] <rootusr> nano
[14:31] <Geforce88> gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:31] <Geforce88> it's there but empty
[14:32] <rootusr> try sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:32] <Geforce88> not found
[14:32] <Geforce88> install ?
[14:33] <rootusr> try
[14:33] <Geforce88> did a search and wasn't found
[14:33] <WT-Udev> sudo aptitude install nvidia-71-modaliases nvidia-71-kernel-source nvidia-glx-71
[14:34] <rootusr> that driver may not have nvidia-xconfig
[14:34] <Geforce88> nvidia-settings maybe ?
[14:34] <scizzo-> why not use nvidia-settings
[14:34] <scizzo-> its the primary tool for the nvidia drivers
[14:34] <WT-Udev> Possibly, as long as it doesn't want to pull in anythign more than nvidia-common
[14:35] <scizzo-> Geforce88: did you really install the drivers from jockey before?
[14:35] <scizzo-> Geforce88: since that should allow you to enable the driver instantly...
[14:35] <rootusr> scizzo-, jockey won't show the legacy drivers
[14:35] <scizzo-> Geforce88: also....is this in jaunty or in intrepid?
[14:36] <Geforce88> jaunty
[14:36] <scizzo-> Geforce88: right...
[14:36] <scizzo-> Geforce88: I would try the nvidia-settings
[14:36] <Geforce88> it says " set to manually installed"
[14:37] <Geforce88> can i use dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[14:38] <rootusr> sure
[14:38] <Geforce88> will it break my system ?
[14:38] <rootusr> no
[14:39] <baoji> Hello. Anyone else had kde font problems since upgrading?
[14:39] <Geforce88> ok, now i have a basic xorg.conf.
[14:41] <BUGabundo> baoji: HUGE fonts?
[14:42] <Geforce88> well, that broke it
[14:43] <baoji> BUGabundo: Unreadable fonts. As though only a fraction of the font is coming through. But only on KDE4 applications.
[14:43] <BUGabundo> baoji: no idea then
[14:44] <BUGabundo> maybe you need to purge the font cache
[14:44] <BUGabundo> or rebuild it
[14:44] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:44] <BUGabundo> what was that fontconfig tool?
[14:44] <WT-Udev> Geforce88: hum...
[14:45] <baoji> BUGabundo: okay, good thought. Let me see what fc-cache can do for me.
[14:45] <Geforce88> WT-Udev, i added the ignoreabi and restarted X
[14:45] <Geforce88> guess i shouldn't have doen it with out adding the driver section first
[14:46] <WT-Udev> Ah in the driver area tell it to use nvidia
[14:46] <WT-Udev> not nv
[14:46] <BUGabundo> baoji: im running it too
[14:46] <BUGabundo> just for the kicks
[14:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:47] <Geforce88> ok, stupid question time, do i add nvidia to the "device" section ?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> baoji: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122402/ FYI
[14:47] <Geforce88> or do i make a new section ?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> Geforce88: no
[14:48] <BUGabundo> run nvdia-xconfig
[14:48] <Geforce88> i have three sections, device, monitor and screen
[14:48] <WT-Udev> BUGabundo: won't that not work well with the new server?  the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 did a major number on my xorg.conf
[14:48] <BUGabundo> works for me
[14:49] <BUGabundo> WT-Udev: there was a time that needed to set the abi bump
[14:49] <WT-Udev> Oh well, then lets have Geforce88 do it the easy way
[14:49] <BUGabundo> but that is now fixed
[14:50] <BUGabundo> if it fails, we file a bug
[14:50] <BUGabundo> even jockey should handle that
[14:53] <baoji> BUGabundo: Let's see. It turned up two corrupted cache files. I shall try restarting X to see if that makes a difference...
[14:54] <BUGabundo> nice
[14:54] <BUGabundo> glad we could fix that
[14:54] <BUGabundo> and thanks for the reminder of the command
[15:01] <WT-Udev> I wonder how Geforce88 is doing
[15:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[15:03] <BUGabundo> its taking him too long
[15:03] <BUGabundo> for a simple X reboot
[15:12] <Ienorand> woo, new spliffy login screen
[15:13] <cwillu> BUGabundo, did you get that message about debian's uswsusp package working fine (aside from there being no usplash)?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> cwillu: haven't checked bugmail
[15:13] <cwillu> it was in here :p
[15:13] <BUGabundo> too tired
[15:13] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:13]  * BUGabundo takes a quick look at mail
[15:14] <BUGabundo> eheh kmail was still in offline mode! LOL
[15:14] <BUGabundo> pulling mail now
[15:14] <cwillu> as I said, sent that message in here, not on launchpad http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/uswsusp/download
[15:15] <cwillu> (link to said package)
[15:15] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[15:15] <BUGabundo> then I did not get that message
[15:15] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:16] <cwillu> something's screwy in our package, the build ends up littering X's all over in the makefile, something about sed acting differently and not cutting them off like it looks like it's supposed to
[15:16] <cwillu> the build completes (at least, once the usplash_open(mode) line is fixed to read usplash_open()), but it doesn't actually make any files
[15:17] <BUGabundo> xee
[15:17] <BUGabundo> so the actual bug is sed?
[15:17] <cwillu> no idea, as they managed to build it
[15:18] <cwillu> the source package is doing something differently, and sed is implicated
[15:18] <cwillu> but the actual bug is the usplash_open() line
[15:24]  * cwillu huggles his working s2both
[15:25] <BUGabundo> great
[15:25] <BUGabundo> I miss it a lot
[15:25] <DaSkreech> Hello
[15:25] <DaSkreech> I'm having a little issue with the daily CD
[15:26] <DaSkreech> It never seems to match up with the MD5SUM provided
[15:26] <DaSkreech> Is that a problem?
[15:28] <BUGabundo> yes
[15:28] <BUGabundo> it should match
[15:28] <BUGabundo> I don't have the BW to download it now, but it should match
[15:28] <charlie-tca> I matched all of them today
[15:28] <BUGabundo> it always does
[15:28] <BUGabundo> if it fail for you, either you have a bad downlioad manager
[15:28] <BUGabundo> OR there is a serious bug
[15:29] <BUGabundo> my rsync script always checks it, and it matchs all the time
[15:29] <BUGabundo> unless I get a bad donwload
[15:29] <BUGabundo> which happens from time to time
[15:29] <WT-Udev> It could also be a hardware or media issue.  DaSkreech Are you trying to burn the over-sized image to a CD?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[15:29] <BUGabundo> here my old script
[15:30] <BUGabundo> WT-Udev: that too
[15:30] <WT-Udev> Or is it bad on your hard drive?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> but I said ...
[15:30] <BUGabundo> oh didn't say image...
[15:30] <BUGabundo> just CD
[15:30] <DaSkreech> I haven't started burning
[15:30] <DaSkreech> I just download it and check the MD5SUM
[15:30] <WT-Udev> Odd... it should match if everything is correct
[15:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah I guessed that :)
[15:30] <WT-Udev> It's too bad that par2 files aren't provided
[15:31] <BUGabundo> DaSkreech:
[15:31] <WT-Udev> are you sure the whole thing transfred?
[15:31] <BUGabundo> use my rsync script to try again
[15:31] <DaSkreech> I'm guessing
[15:31] <WT-Udev> *transfered
[15:31] <DaSkreech> wget -c
[15:31] <BUGabundo> it should complete the bad bits
[15:31] <BUGabundo> or wget -c
[15:31] <BUGabundo> although I have seen it just append data...
[15:31] <cwillu> or hell, download the torrent file and resume it :p
[15:31] <DaSkreech> Grr
[15:32] <BUGabundo> or that
[15:32] <WT-Udev> cwillu: That would work well, but he's doing a daily CD right?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> we have WAY too many ways to get it
[15:32] <WT-Udev> Do those have torrents?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> WT-Udev: there are BT for dailies too
[15:32] <DaSkreech> I was just of the opinion that a daily torrent file would not be that useful as I can't imagine that many people seeding it
[15:32] <BUGabundo> just not too many sources
[15:32] <cwillu> mmmm, there's probably torrents, but probably not many/any seeders
[15:32] <BUGabundo> just MAIN
[15:32] <WT-Udev> DaSkreech: oh it's very useful
[15:32] <WT-Udev> If you have one or two bad parts for some reason
[15:32]  * BUGabundo checks the bt site
[15:32] <DaSkreech> MAIN has crazy number of seeders
[15:33] <DaSkreech> WT-Udev: I know normally i prefer BT just because of the auto check it does for completeness
[15:33] <BUGabundo> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[15:33] <WT-Udev> Yeah
[15:33] <BUGabundo> I just use rsync
[15:33] <BUGabundo> since I get the iso weekly
[15:33] <BUGabundo> actuall I get many isos
[15:33] <WT-Udev> Does rsync do it in binary?
[15:34] <WT-Udev> that is, binary deltas and such?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> 32 & 64, cd & dvd, ubuntu, kubuntu and mobile
[15:34] <BUGabundo> WT-Udev: check my previous link
[15:34] <BUGabundo> let me paste bin all my scripts
[15:34] <DaSkreech> WT-Udev: Yeah doing a checksum on that many is smart :)
[15:34] <BUGabundo> does pastebinit concatenate multi files?
[15:35] <DaSkreech> no but cat does
[15:35] <DaSkreech> cat file file2 foo foo1 | pastebinit
[15:35] <BUGabundo> $ cat rsync* | pastebinit -i -
[15:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122426/
[15:35] <BUGabundo> DaSkreech: yeah I tried that
[15:35] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:35] <DaSkreech> UNIX tools working 50 years after thought up ftw
[15:36] <DaSkreech> great philosophy :)
[15:36] <BUGabundo> yep
[15:36] <BUGabundo> that are a bunch of scripts
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I just use to get daily and release images
[15:37] <mnemo> too bad the UI apps dont to it as well, would be awesome to be able to pipe stuff into gedit etc
[15:37] <BUGabundo> although torrents would be nice too
[15:37] <BUGabundo> gotta look at it someday
[15:37] <DaSkreech> mnemo: You can't?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> sure he can
[15:37] <BUGabundo> cat FOO > /tmp/foo.txt ; gedit /tmp/foo.txt
[15:37] <DaSkreech> that's what I was thinking
[15:38] <DaSkreech> I was going with dbus :)
[15:38] <DaSkreech> But that works
[15:38] <BUGabundo> or that
[15:38] <mnemo> "ls -al | gedit" would be nice and clean
[15:38] <mnemo> its not like gedit is using stdin for something else anyway
[15:38] <DaSkreech> Windows still has the slickest pipe
[15:38] <mnemo> heh
[15:38] <DaSkreech> powershell is really cool
[15:39] <mnemo> never tried it
[15:39] <DaSkreech> but destined to be rewritten in 15 years and break everything
[15:39] <DaSkreech> You can pipe stuff into and out of GUI apps
[15:39] <DaSkreech> (All MS of course)
[15:39] <DaSkreech> But you can do a ls -l listing and pipe it into Excel
[15:39] <mnemo> powershell isnt installed by default on _all_ systems either
[15:39] <DaSkreech> With good reason
[15:40] <mnemo> i mean I dont use bash because its good, I use it because I can trust everyone has it
[15:40] <DaSkreech> Excel will open up with the columns in columns
[15:40] <mnemo> nice
[15:40] <DaSkreech> If you do a live listing the Excel doc will update live to  show you what's changing on the file system
[15:40] <DaSkreech> You can then save the data and pipe that out to something else
[15:40] <DaSkreech> really slick
[15:40] <DaSkreech> bound to get broken
[15:41] <DaSkreech> Ah well they can sell you a new powershell and excel and a tool to convert your scripts when that happens
[15:42] <Ienorand> I'm looking for a changelog for libbrasero-media0 package (specifically version 0_0.9.1-0ubuntu3 to 0_2.25.90-0ubuntu1), anyone know where to find?
[15:42] <DoYouKnow> I think someone said something on this... but... why is it that the current builds of jaunty are missing a shutdown option from the System menu?
[15:43] <DoYouKnow> in ubuntu (gnome)
[15:43] <mnemo> Ienorand: try "aptitude changelog brasero" ?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: LP?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> DoYouKnow: are they?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> my system has it
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but its an old system
[15:44] <mnemo> my jaunty is updated and its missing shutdown in system
[15:44] <BUGabundo> from where?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhh the system menu
[15:44] <BUGabundo> never use it
[15:44] <DoYouKnow> in System on the top-left menu bar
[15:44] <mnemo> i never use it as well, I just noticed now because you said it
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I just press my power button or use the FUSA applet
[15:45] <BUGabundo> I don't even have a full menu
[15:45] <BUGabundo> just an icon for it
[15:45] <DoYouKnow> ah
[15:45] <DoYouKnow> I thought I read that the power button on the upper right replaces it
[15:45] <DoYouKnow> but I'm not 100% sure
[15:45] <DoYouKnow> not sure where I read that
[15:46] <DoYouKnow> but then I thought I read on here that someone said they messed up the shutdown menu
[15:50] <charlie-tca> DoYouKnow: I thought they did that on purpose to cut down confusion. The two buttons never had the layout
[15:55] <DoYouKnow> charlie-tca: ok
[15:55] <DoYouKnow> it seems like a good idea, as long as you don't have any stuff running like compiz in your upper right hand corner that will zoom back to a display of desktops or something
[15:56] <DoYouKnow> as you move the mouse up there]
[15:56] <Ienorand> DoYouKnow: I have no shutdown either in that menu, don't know if there's supposed to be, they seemed to remove the shotdown one along with the introduction of FUSA and then the logout one's gone as well apparently.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Well, that is where all the new notifications come out, too.
[15:57] <DoYouKnow> yeah, I like those
[15:57] <DoYouKnow> the graphics for them is pretty neat
[15:57] <DoYouKnow> *are
[15:58] <Ienorand> By the way, anyone here experiencing bug 329146 ?
[16:02] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: ROLF
[16:02] <BUGabundo> are we going to open bug against ALL UI changes now?!
[16:02] <BUGabundo> ehehehehehehe
[16:02] <BUGabundo> ok I sick of this
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I'm emailing the DX and desktop team
[16:03] <BUGabundo> WE users and testrs can be kept on the dark!
[16:03] <BUGabundo> we deserve to be notified of this changes BEFORE they happen
[16:03] <DrHalan1> is indicator only able to show one notifcation at a time?
[16:04] <cwillu> no, they'll just stack up
[16:04] <BUGabundo> both wrong
[16:04] <BUGabundo> it will ONLY show ONE for each type
[16:04] <BUGabundo> and stack up to 3 diff queues
[16:04] <BUGabundo> and the queue is limited to 1000 events
[16:05] <BUGabundo> and shows 1st the higher importance
[16:05] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[16:05] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[16:05] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I am not filing bugs on all these changes.
[16:06] <BUGabundo> I know
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Suggestion:  Use Xubuntu if you want both shutdown buttons.
[16:06] <BUGabundo> just kidding about all this
[16:06] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:06] <BUGabundo> too many changes... no input
[16:06] <BUGabundo> just *reaction*
[16:06] <BUGabundo> no community feedback before changes
[16:07] <charlie-tca> agreed. Least they could do is tell us
[16:07] <charlie-tca> discovery is not a fun thing, in Jaunty.
[16:07] <BUGabundo> provides bugs like bug 332945
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Which is still going, even though it is marked invalid!
[16:08] <BUGabundo> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027338.html
[16:08] <BUGabundo> Got zero replies
[16:08] <DaSkreech> BUGabundo: Relax
[16:08] <DaSkreech> The next release will bring karma :)
[16:09] <BUGabundo> got some replies from dtchen on -discuss https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-February/006843.html
[16:09] <BUGabundo> but I'll email them a 3rd time
[16:09]  * BUGabundo xee I look like a zealot :(
[16:10] <BUGabundo> we should interact... instead we (users) get kicked into a corner and experimented on
[16:10] <BUGabundo> I have no prob on testdriving new stuff
[16:11] <BUGabundo> I like it, and im glad me/we can help improve FOSS in general (not only Canonical) products
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I been following the ubuntu-devel-discuss one.
[16:11] <BUGabundo> but doing it blind is stupid
[16:11] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: following what? its in dead water
[16:11] <DaSkreech> Well they did announce they were going to do it
[16:11] <BUGabundo> just the other day I was discussing this with asac
[16:11] <charlie-tca> You had, what, three replies from them on it?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> and he said he does not see a reason to list all upstream changes!
[16:12] <BUGabundo> but godam... WE don't know what they are, even if devs do
[16:12] <charlie-tca> DaSkreech: exactly, but announcing they will and actually doing it are not the same.
[16:12] <BUGabundo> DaSkreech: I pretty glad about meeting resumes
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Stock answer:  It was discussed and decided at UDS
[16:12] <BUGabundo> that's great help
[16:13] <BUGabundo> but i wonder how many of us here are on -devel and read those
[16:13] <BUGabundo> sure... make a UDS on every countrie
[16:13] <BUGabundo> DUH
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I don't subscribe to -devel. It didn't seem necessary to me.
[16:13] <BUGabundo> even my neibour spain aint easy for me to attend
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I know.
[16:14] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I'm on all list
[16:14] <BUGabundo> ok not all
[16:14] <BUGabundo> just a bunch
[16:14] <DaSkreech> BUGabundo: you were at TokamakII ?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> not in motu , X, bt, etc
[16:14] <BUGabundo> but on many other, sure
[16:14] <BUGabundo> DaSkreech: I helped co-organising it, yes
[16:14] <DaSkreech> Nice Thanks :)
[16:14] <BUGabundo> where you here?
[16:15] <BUGabundo> don't remember the nick!
[16:15]  * BUGabundo has lousy memory
[16:16] <DaSkreech> By RSs proxy yes :)
[16:17] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[16:20] <DaSkreech> I share your sentiments completely with X
[16:21] <c_korn> has someone jaunty installed in virtualbox?
[16:22] <DaSkreech> oooh virtualbox why didn't I think of that?
[16:22] <c_korn> ok, DaSkreech did not think of that. but has actually someone installed it in virtualbox?
[16:23] <DaSkreech> That I don't know
[16:23] <c_korn> because I only get a black screen
[16:24] <popey> i have jaunty in a vbox
[16:24] <popey> not updated it for a few weeks
[16:24] <popey> but it works
[16:25] <c_korn> popey: the issue only appears for some days
[16:25] <popey> do you have the virtualbox additions installed on the guest?
[16:25] <c_korn> it may have something todo with encryption
[16:25] <BUGabundo> popey: what is the use case to have a devel version NOT updated?
[16:25] <popey> BUGabundo: when you dont have time
[16:26] <DaSkreech> BUGabundo: Network issues?
[16:26] <popey> the host is jaunty too
[16:26] <c_korn> popey: I do not get this far. it is just black
[16:26] <popey> c_korn: from a live cd?
[16:26] <popey> s/cd/iso/
[16:26] <DaSkreech> c_korn: disc encryption ?
[16:26] <c_korn> yeah
[16:27] <charlie-tca> c_korn: I test in VirtualBox. It is working for me today.
[16:27] <c_korn> this is all I get: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/10115/bildschirmfoto_BecU8H.png
[16:27] <charlie-tca> disc encryption has issues even in hardware right now
[16:28] <DrHalan1> BUGabundo: but the mockup showed several notifcations at once :(
[16:29] <DaSkreech> DrHalan1: a) mockup b) possibly different channels
[16:29] <DrHalan1> hm alright
[16:31] <c_korn> charlie-tca: so you think it is encryption related? should I file a bug about that?
[16:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: is that the same as the udev bug?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> no, they have been
[16:34] <popey> eek - new gdm theme
[16:34] <charlie-tca> I don't think so, BUGabundo
[16:36] <c_korn> even in this recovery mode I do not get any more output
[16:37] <charlie-tca> home drive encrypted or LVM?
[16:37] <c_korn> should I file a bug?
[16:37] <c_korn> charlie-tca: LVM
[16:38] <charlie-tca> The bug is on file and in work. We are hoping it is fixed before alpha5 releases
[16:39] <c_korn> 100MB unencrypted boot partition. 8.5gig encrypted partition with 1GB swap LV 7GB root LV and 500MB home LV
[16:39] <WT-Udev> c_korn: Are those all within one lvm PV or do you have multiple pvs?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Yep, already been filed
[16:40]  * c_korn has to look up PV
[16:41] <c_korn> WT-Udev: I am not sure what you mean. I have one encrypted volume. in there I created a logical group and in that group I created three partitions for home,swap and root
[16:44] <DaSkreech> c_korn: one PV then
[16:44] <WT-Udev> c_korn: LVM has three types of containers.   PVs are block devices that have been marked as physical devices.  PVs can contain 0 or more VGs (volume groups) which can then contain a number of LVs or Logical Volumes.
[16:45] <WT-Udev> Typically you'd make one PV per drive and then use one or more VGs within it or between it and other drives in a kind of JBOD setup
[16:45] <DoYouKnow> redirection operators and dd work on block devices?
[16:45] <DoYouKnow> I forget
[16:46] <c_korn> ah,ok
[16:46] <DoYouKnow> > /dev/blockdevice... or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/blockdevice ?
[16:46] <c_korn> where is the bug report for that? I want to subscribe
[16:46] <WT-Udev> DoYouKnow: Technically yes, anything that can be treated like a file
[16:46] <DaSkreech> c_korn: PV = partition essentially
[16:46] <DoYouKnow> ok
[16:46] <WT-Udev> c_korn: bug 332270 ?
[16:48] <c_korn> this is marked as fix released? why do I still get the bug in the daily (from today)
[16:49] <c_korn> (I use the alternate-i386 current daily I forgot to say)
[16:49] <WT-Udev> c_korn: if you still get the bug, read all the posts in that bug report, comment if you have anything to add.   A working reproducable test case would be good.
[16:55] <profanephobia> what version of gnome will 9.04 be using?
[16:56] <gandi> can I get help with nightly jaunty installation from today? Installation crashes during clock setup near the end
[16:57] <IntuitiveNipple> c_korn: I don't think the updated package (udev 138-2) will have made it onto last night's daily. Check the version installed.
[16:58] <c_korn> IntuitiveNipple: 5bccfb655622b112eec6cbb00c3973b9  ./pool/main/u/udev/udev_138-1_i386.deb
[16:58] <c_korn> indeed, thank you. I will wait for the new daily then
[17:00] <gandi>   File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 412, in run
[17:00] <gandi>     self.configure_timezone()
[17:00] <gandi>   File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 1262, in configure_timezone
[17:00] <gandi>     raise InstallStepError("ClockSetup failed with code %d" % ret)
[17:00] <gandi> InstallStepError: ClockSetup failed with code 2
[17:03] <charlie-tca> gandi: I got the same failure. I don't know if it has been reported yet
[17:03] <gandi> did you figure out how to workaround it? :/
[17:03] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[17:04] <charlie-tca> not yet
[17:04] <DaSkreech> wget -c stops at 99%
[17:05] <DaSkreech> That might explain a lot
[17:06] <charlie-tca> gandi: should be fixed tomorrow
[17:07] <charlie-tca> rather, in tomorrows images
[17:09] <gandi> damn :/
[17:32] <hanasaki> w32codecs <= is this avialable yet in juanty? 32bit? 64bit?
[17:33] <nemo> huh. I thought the ubuntu-restricted-extras meta pulled in w32codecs.
[17:33] <nemo> didn't even think to look
[17:33]  * nemo fires up his jaunty laptop
[17:34] <hanasaki> why is that?
[17:34] <cwillu> !info w32codecs
[17:34] <nemo> aww
[17:34] <cwillu> weird, I have it
[17:35] <nemo> !info ghc
[17:35] <nemo> lliar
[17:35] <nemo> ubottu must not be up to date
[17:35] <DaSkreech> !info ubuntu-desktop
[17:37] <nemo> when I first updated to jaunty I got all panicky that ghc and fpc and whatnot weren't in it
[17:37] <nemo> but. it was just that the update procedure didn't automatically pick up latest jaunty. apparently I had to refresh repos.
[17:37] <nemo> doesn't even automatically do it after the reboot oddly
[17:38] <DaSkreech> !info ghc
[17:38] <DaSkreech> !info ghc intrepid
[17:38] <nemo> hm. w32codecs is *not* in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:38] <nemo> go figure
[17:39] <nemo> also don't see the package at all
[17:39] <nemo> and I have multiverse and restricted enabled
[17:39] <nemo> oh well. my main concern right now with Jaunty is the broken broken libqt 4.5...
[17:42] <HanaPhone> thanks folks
[17:46] <nemo> !info fpc
[17:46] <HanaPhone> http://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/w32codecs.html
[17:46] <nemo> hmmm
[17:46] <nemo> maybe I got the package name wrong for ghc?
[17:46] <nemo> oh. no
[17:47] <nemo> silly me. I didn't install ghc on the jaunty machine :)
[17:47] <HanaPhone> Architecture Version Package size Installed Size MD5Sum   i386 20071007-0medibuntu4 14285000 B 33216 kB ea8b5a7155a0a57dc940bfea2999f35d   lpia
[17:47] <nemo> HanaPhone: ah. I'll have to add back medibuntu
[17:47] <HanaPhone> huh?
[17:47] <HanaPhone> hmm but not 64bit anyways
[17:48] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: finally the team meeting ended!
[17:48] <BUGabundo> lots of talk about UM
[17:48] <HanaPhone> um?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> But will they inform us of changes?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> dunno
[17:48] <BUGabundo> wasn't there
[17:48] <BUGabundo> just got online
[17:48] <BUGabundo> we shall receive an email about it
[17:48] <BUGabundo> and there the log of the meeting
[17:49] <DaSkreech> what's UM ?
[17:49] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/
[17:49] <BUGabundo> Update Manager
[17:49] <DaSkreech> Oh Ubuntu Mobile
[17:49] <DaSkreech> damn it
[17:49] <BUGabundo> DUH
[17:49] <BUGabundo> no
[17:49] <DaSkreech> :)
[17:49] <DaSkreech> and notifications?
[17:50] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[17:50] <BUGabundo> gona check the logs now
[17:51] <BUGabundo> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[17:52] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/notice/2465439
[17:54] <nemo> hm. I think I'll move my Jaunty laptop to ext4
[17:54] <BUGabundo> "sabdfli think the majority of TB discussions could be public, which lends support to the idea that tb@ be public"
[17:54] <BUGabundo> someone should let Mr Mark know that all Ubuntu decisions should be made public
[17:55] <BUGabundo> or else this is not a community project but a Canonical!
[17:55] <DaSkreech> but not all canonical ones
[17:55] <DaSkreech> and far as I know the desktop notifications are a canonical project
[17:55]  * BUGabundo reminds earing from Mark's mouth that Canonical wish(ed) to just be 10% of Ubuntu opposed to the current 80%
[17:56] <nemo> hm. a new gdm theme.
[17:56] <nemo> and, is dark. I wonder if the default jaunty theme will go dark.
[17:56] <nemo> that might have useability issues, unfortunately. so many stupid UIs out there.
[17:56] <vigo> If or when I install Jaunty on HD2, slave, will it interfere or conflict with the stable 8.04.2 I have on HDD Master?
[17:56] <DaSkreech> haven't they said that for 4 releases of Ubuntu?
[17:57] <nemo> at the very least, might need overrides in the browser - I've run into some really dumb sites
[17:57] <nemo> like. ones that will literally use color: windowText without using background-color: window;
[17:57] <nemo> SAP forums do that foolishiness
[17:58] <nemo> foolishness
[18:00] <BUGabundo> vigo: NO. just install ONE grub
[18:00] <BUGabundo> you will have to use the advance option on the last installer step
[18:01] <vigo> Thank you, I will do more research on that. Or leave the GRUB alone and do not install the one from Jaunty?
[18:03] <vigo> Like a dual boot setup so I can test it with the Win2k that is on 10g of HDD2.slave. I think?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> vigo: no no
[18:03] <vigo> Oh ok
[18:03] <BUGabundo> ubuntu WILL install a new grub
[18:03] <BUGabundo> and that may mess your system
[18:03] <vigo> Ahhhh
[18:03] <BUGabundo> depending where it installs it
[18:03] <BUGabundo> so you need to SET that option
[18:03] <BUGabundo> to use a common GRUB from SDA
[18:04] <vigo> That is making sense.
[18:05] <vigo> I thank you kindly.
[18:05] <BUGabundo> vigo: since you are at it
[18:05] <vigo> Yes?
[18:05] <BUGabundo> can you please debug something for me?
[18:05] <vigo> Possibly
[18:05] <ronny> help - pulseaudio tells red-written lies
[18:05] <BUGabundo> I need to check if BOTH system get a kernel update (abi bump)
[18:05] <ronny> pulseaudio claims linux has bugs if one sends sigint, waits, then sends sigcont
[18:06] <BUGabundo> one of the GRUBs detects it correctly
[18:06] <cwillu> ronny, link?
[18:06] <BUGabundo> ronny: either ask on #pulseaudio or dtchen or themuso (on #ubuntu-devel)
[18:07] <BUGabundo> vigo: do you think you can do that?
[18:07] <BUGabundo> a new kernel is do to ibex in a few weeks
[18:07] <BUGabundo> and jaunty is having one each week
[18:07] <nemo> odd. I installed ubuntu studio themeing, just to see if it looked any different.
[18:07] <vigo> Ok, So I follow the graphical installer, use the advance option, reboot and shoot
[18:07] <BUGabundo> there are reports that GRUB gets out of sinc
[18:07] <nemo> in Appearance Preferences->Theme, I selected Ubuntu Studio, it applied.  I closed.  When I open preferences again, it says I'm using a "Custom" theme that just happens to be identical to ubuntu studio
[18:07] <ronny> cwillu: what link?
[18:07] <nemo> is this new theme behaviour?
[18:08] <nemo> always make a custom theme?
[18:08] <BUGabundo> that should do it to install it with only one grub, yes vigo
[18:08] <BUGabundo> mvo_ ping
[18:09] <cwillu> ronny, "pulseaudio claims linux has bugs if one sends sigint, waits, then sends sigcont"
[18:09] <vigo> OK.downloading now, will install and check back in after install
[18:09] <vigo> Thank You
[18:09] <BUGabundo> mvo did that discussion the other day leave to something about UM and ubuntu-desktop ?
[18:09] <BUGabundo> I had to leave on the hurry mvo
[18:10] <BUGabundo> humm thinking about vigo idea: does anyone here ever installed ubuntu with LUBI? ubuntu inside ubuntu ?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> mvo_ are you here?
[18:11] <ronny> cwillu: i just found that by accident when running it myself
[18:11] <ronny> ctrl+z makes an sigint
[18:11] <ronny> bg makes a sigcont
[18:11] <ronny> the red output is extra fun
[18:11] <cwillu> I know there's been issues there, don't know of anything in particular though
[18:12] <cwillu> it sounded like you were referring to something documented or something
[18:13] <cwillu> mind you, if you're talking about ctrl-z, I think you mean sigstop, not sigint
[18:13] <cwillu> ctrl-c is sigint
[18:17] <cwillu> ronny, you don't mean "...returned a vlue that is exceptionally large.  Most likely this is a linux bug." do you?
[18:17] <ronny> yup
[18:18] <ronny> its a nice little special case that doesnt actually hurt, but makes fun messages
[18:18] <cwillu> that's not a bug, it's merely a check for sane values that noticed that a weird amount of time had passed (because you stopped it)
[18:18] <cwillu> if that happened in normal operation, it'd be a bug
[18:24] <sadam> with the latest jaunty, after logging in with gdm the desktop is displayed, but gnome-panel and metacity/nautilus don't appear to have been launched
[18:24] <sadam> there doesn't seem to be anything related in .xsession-errors and the behavior is replicable with a new user
[18:25] <sadam> has anyone seen this behavior?
[18:42] <idorock89> shouldnt rythmbox notifications have the album cover as picture instead of rythmbox icon?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> idorock89: not that I use RB but that would be great
[18:43] <BUGabundo> file a bug and tag it with "notifications"
[19:17] <DasKreech> Please tell me there is a way to highlight windows asking for attention
[19:17] <Sa[i]nT> How long we looking at before JJ comes out?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> Sa[i]nT: april
[19:18] <BUGabundo>  !release
[19:18] <DasKreech> !jaunty
[19:18] <BUGabundo> DasKreech:  release has more info
[19:18] <Sa[i]nT> I wonder what all is going to be different.
[19:18] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: how about not setting the unfocus flag?
[19:18] <DasKreech> BUGabundo: yes but !jaunty more directly answers his question
[19:19] <DasKreech> BUGabundo: Hmm ?
[19:19] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: read the release notes
[19:19] <BUGabundo> Sa[i]nT: see techinal overview and release note, or test a daily image (on CD or liveusb)
[19:19] <BUGabundo> damn... now you were faster
[19:19] <DasKreech> which unfocus flag?
[19:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:19] <Sa[i]nT> I'm looking right now.
[19:19] <BUGabundo> humm let me get my old session to get the link
[19:19] <DasKreech> BUGabundo: Before you do what does it do ?
[19:20] <BUGabundo> ah??
[19:20] <BUGabundo> the focus?
[19:20] <BUGabundo> it sets the window behind or in front
[19:20] <DasKreech> how?
[19:21] <DasKreech> Shortcut key?
[19:21] <BUGabundo> dunno
[19:21] <DasKreech> oh
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I just read it
[19:21] <DasKreech> you mean when it asks for attention it just jumps to the front ?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[19:23] <BUGabundo> Normal window
[19:23] <BUGabundo> When a notification is not time-critical, and there is a relevant window to display it in, present the notification as a banner or other text in that window. Depending on its importance, you can have the window request attention. And if the window is not currently open, you can open it automatically, in the background to minimize accidental clicks. (The window manager uses heuristics to guess whether a new window should open in the background, but you 
[19:23] <BUGabundo> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWindow.html#GtkWindow--focus-on-map
[19:23] <DasKreech> That's for Metacity or COmpiz?
[19:24] <DasKreech>  cause Ubuntu has compiz by default doesn't it?
[19:24]  * BUGabundo wonders why me gets such a complicated question
[19:24] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: known bug
[19:24] <BUGabundo> its on LP
[19:24] <BUGabundo> and devs are looking at it
[19:24] <BUGabundo> where did I read that?
[19:25] <BUGabundo> it was just today I think
[19:25] <DasKreech> :-)
[19:25] <BUGabundo> ahh ML on devel-discuss
[19:25] <BUGabundo> I think
[19:25]  * BUGabundo looks at archive
[19:27] <BUGabundo> hmm can't find the bug
[19:28]  * BUGabundo never give up, and you will reach it
[19:28]  * DasKreech laughs
[19:28] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: bug 333284
[19:28]  * DasKreech kicks ubottu
[19:28] <BUGabundo> laugh at will.... but I got it
[19:28] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: bug 333284
[19:28] <DasKreech> ok
[19:29]  * charlie-tca thinks, kick it again!
[19:30] <DasKreech> Lp is down?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> nop
[19:30] <DasKreech> I can't get to it
[19:30] <BUGabundo> I got that link to open
[19:30] <charlie-tca> omg, it opened as a text file
[19:30] <BUGabundo> but it could be on cache
[19:30] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[19:30] <BUGabundo> remove the end part
[19:30] <BUGabundo> DUH
[19:30] <BUGabundo> that's what the bot reads
[19:30] <BUGabundo> not what WE humans want
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I see that. Thanks. It did open
[19:40] <Lenin_Cat> do the ATI binary drivers work with jaunty yet?
[19:41] <maxb> doubtful. I don't recall seeing a new version in a long time
[19:44] <Lenin_Cat> maxb, what verison of Xorg is 9.04
[19:44] <maxb> Lenin_Cat: There's a wonderful tool called rmadison in the devscripts package which enables you to find out these things :-)
[19:45] <maxb> There's also http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <maxb> xserver-xorg-core |          2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu7 |          jaunty | amd64, i386
[19:46] <DasKreech> maxb: Doesn't that change through the releases' lifetime
[19:46] <maxb> (ftr)
[19:46] <maxb> DasKreech: doesn't what change?
[19:46] <Pici> Theres also http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=ubuntu+madison
[19:47] <DasKreech> Before a release can't the version of the packages change?
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/x11/xorg
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> xorg is verison 7.4
[19:47] <DasKreech> so knowing what it is now doesn't mean that's what it iwll be when it ships
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> according to ATI's PDF
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> it supports 7.4
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> with the latest drivers
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> let me try it
[19:47] <Lenin_Cat> rebooting
[19:48] <maxb> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-installer_8.573-0ubuntu4/changelog
[19:48] <maxb>     - This release still does *not* meet the Xorg server 1.6 ABI.
[19:49] <maxb> DasKreech: Well, of course versions could change, otherwise no development would happen ever :-)
[19:49]  * DasKreech hates Xorg
[19:49] <DasKreech> maxb: Ok Unless I was mistaking his question he was asking what version it would be on Shipdate not what it is now
[19:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Now we're into feature freeze upstream versions are unlikely to change,
[19:50] <Alexia_Death> DasKreech: xserver 1.6, Xorg 7.5 most likely
[19:51] <Alexia_Death> IntuitiveNipple: 1.5.99 is RC of 1.6
[19:52] <BUGabundo> brb
[19:54] <DasKreech> IntuitiveNipple: interesting nick
[19:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a way to get sed to stop processing after the first match?
[19:55] <DasKreech> yes
[19:55] <maxb> sure, just write the sed scriptlet in that way
[19:56] <maxb> can't really give an example without knowing what the match is being used to do, though
[19:56] <IntuitiveNipple> The aim is to have sed stop processing the file once it finds the first match... been looking at branches but they don't work for this.
[19:59] <avis> whats the release date of jaunty alpha 5 ?
[19:59] <BUGabundo> avis: ! releases
[19:59] <BUGabundo>  !releases
[19:59] <avis> ty
[20:00] <BUGabundo>  !alpha
[20:00] <BUGabundo>  !alpha5
[20:00] <BUGabundo>  !milestones
[20:00] <IntuitiveNipple> avis: April 23rd
[20:01] <avis> Feb 26, is what the chart says, for alpha 5.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[20:02] <IntuitiveNipple> oh sorry... I misread ... Thursday is A5
[20:02] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought you asked about *the* release :)
[20:02] <Pici> !schedule
[20:04] <BUGabundo> ahhh Pici that was the one
[20:06] <Sa[i]nT> ext4? Is that what I just read?
[20:06] <Sa[i]nT> wooo, I wonder.
[20:06] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: not by default
[20:07] <Sa[i]nT> It does'nt say much about it.
[20:09] <BUGabundo> just a sec
[20:09]  * BUGabundo looks at bookmark cace
[20:09] <BUGabundo> not here sorry
[20:09] <BUGabundo> google it
[20:09] <Sa[i]nT> I would like it to atleast tell me what ext4 changes.
[20:10] <BUGabundo> google it
[20:12] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: If you don't know you probably shouldn't be playing with ext4 :) But look at kernelnewbie.org
[20:12] <DasKreech> Good site for Kernel info explained easily
[20:13] <Sa[i]nT> It has a wiki page.
[20:13] <Sa[i]nT> Holy.. The ext4 filesystem can support volumes with sizes up to 1 exabyte[6] and files with sizes up to 16 terabytes.
[20:14] <TuTUXG> altho that means nothing for desktop users
[20:15] <Sa[i]nT> Well..
[20:16] <Sa[i]nT> 1024terras could be useful for large servers, if the machine can handle it. Could save some money.
[20:16] <maco> there's also data-loss dangers
[20:16] <maco> so i dont think servers will be switching to it too soon
[20:17] <Sa[i]nT> Well, it -could- be useful. But your right, people won't use it to it's potential.
[20:17] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: It would be a problem if people could
[20:17] <maco> if your system locks or the power goes out on a desktop etc...if its not shut down properly, ext4 could lose a lot of data, while ext3 can recover better
[20:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Can't get this sed quit to work - very annoying
[20:17] <DasKreech> You want to use a File system to it's potential run FAT16
[20:17] <DasKreech> See how fun that is
[20:17] <BUGabundo> maco do you know that for sure?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> ext4 has at least the same abilities of ext3 for file repair / log redo
[20:18] <Sa[i]nT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[20:18] <Sa[i]nT> I think you should read on that.
[20:18] <Sa[i]nT> I can't wait.
[20:18] <BUGabundo> *possible* data loss is only marginal known on another context
[20:18] <BUGabundo> and that is when kernel buffer outrun
[20:18] <maco> BUGabundo: its a timing issue
[20:19] <Sa[i]nT> 64,000 subdirs.
[20:19] <Sa[i]nT> Finally, a defragmenter.
[20:20] <maco> BUGabundo: if it hasnt hit the journal, it cant be recovered, simple enough. ext3 is sending things to the journal more often than ext4 is, so its possible your data hasnt hit the journal yet and will go *poof* with ext4. unless that bug's been fixed in the last few weeks...
[20:20] <maco> BUGabundo: of course if it reaches they journal, they're equal
[20:20] <DasKreech> You can defragment ext2
[20:21] <Sa[i]nT> Ext4 has an online defragmenter. Even with the various techniques used to avoid it, a long lived file system does tend to become fragmented over time. Ext4 will have a tool which can defragment individual files or entire file systems.
[20:21] <TuTUXG> "will"
[20:22] <remu> Hey folks, I'm considering replacing my install of Intrepid with Jaunty, and I am running on a livecd right now of Jaunty. My sound works, however, the volume keys on my keyboard change the master channel, I need it to effect the PCM channel. I have the applet set to control the PCM channel, but I also need the media keys to do so.
[20:22] <maco> remu: system -> preferences -> sound (i think that still exists) should let you set that
[20:22] <remu> Under Intrepid I was able to do this by going to System>Preferences>Sound and then clicking on PCM at the bottom. However, it is a different window under Jaunty.
[20:22] <remu> maco, it still does exist, but it looks completely different from Intrepid
[20:23] <Sa[i]nT> I would not suggest upgrading so soon.
[20:23] <maco> remu: lemme log into gnome...
[20:23] <remu> maco, thanks.
[20:23] <remu> Sa[i]nT, too many show stoppers or something?
[20:24] <Sa[i]nT> Well, the bug list is pretty long.
[20:24] <Sa[i]nT> Tho, I wanna use that new ext4.
[20:24] <remu> Sa[i]nt, well, I'm planning on running off of the liveCd for a bit, to see if I encounter any major problems using it the way I normally do, and if I don't, then I'm gonna go and install it.
[20:25] <remu> Yeah, thats my reasoning too, lol.
[20:25] <TuTUXG> the installer on daily_built livecd is fixed?
[20:25] <Sa[i]nT> I've known liveCD's that show you something, then when you full install, the X server does'nt work, or some crazy shit happens.
[20:25] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: I used to defrag my old laptop on ext3
[20:26] <Sa[i]nT> How do you defrag? did I miss that memo?
[20:26] <remu> Sa[i]nt, well, in the event that that happens, I will be forced to go back to Intrepid. I dunno, I've been wanting to get on this for a while now, and the Beta, seems to far to wait for, let alone the RC or the Final release
[20:26] <TuTUXG> defrag an ext3 volume can be danger
[20:27] <DasKreech> BUGabundo: ext3 is functionally the same as ext2 with journalling
[20:27] <DasKreech> Oooh defrag a  file
[20:27] <DasKreech> I like that
[20:28] <Sa[i]nT> ext4 might be what we're waiting for. On the whole it should be faster.
[20:28] <maco> remu: >< i only see "Master" not all the other mixer elements when i look in GNOME. that could be because i didnt log out of here and just tried with an unprivileged user though :-/
[20:29] <TuTUXG> Sa[i]nT, btrfs should be more worth to wait
[20:29] <remu> maco, I know under Intrepid, at the bottom, I only see "Master" unless I switch the dropdown to "HDA Intel", then I get a long list.
[20:29] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: never gave trouble over 2 years doing it
[20:29] <remu> However, sound>properties looks completely different in Jaunty
[20:29] <BUGabundo> and I noticed how fast it got the 1st time
[20:29] <maco> remu: yeah, im not sure...
[20:30] <maco> >< both sound people are AFK right now
[20:30]  * bruce89 regrets saying ext4 worked find
[20:30] <TuTUXG> BUGabundo, im just saying, theoretically
[20:30] <BUGabundo> bruce89: what got wrong?
[20:30] <BUGabundo> besides the udev
[20:30] <bruce89> grub error 24
[20:31] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: look at brtfs and Tux3
[20:32] <bruce89> just back from reinstalling Jaunty thanks to that
[20:32] <IntuitiveNipple> ext4 is a *lot* faster than ext3 for source-code trees; especially the kernel. deletion operations (make clean) are blindingly fast.
[20:33] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: you are the second to say that
[20:34] <IntuitiveNipple> For anyone else who ever needs it: Quitting processing in sed after a match is like this example: "sed -n -e '/address/ {s/\(regexp\)/\1/p;q;}'" - the {} are the key
[20:34] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: is that for the s2disk bug ?
[20:35] <IntuitiveNipple> huh?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> earlier today, I think it was charlie-tca, mention that the current bug with s2disk
[20:35] <IntuitiveNipple> The sed quit thing? No, its for one of my scripts
[20:35] <BUGabundo> was related to sed
[20:36] <IntuitiveNipple> I've 'improved' my device2driver script and this was the last thing that was annoying - sed would match multiple lines in modules.pcimap for some devices and I wanted it to stop after the first match
[20:36] <IntuitiveNipple> instead of a grep ... | cut ... | tr ...  I now have one sed
[20:37] <shadeslayer> hi im a n00b,was wondering if i could help by upgrading to jaunty
[20:37] <shadeslayer> how stable is the alpha 4 version
[20:37] <IntuitiveNipple> it's alpha... that means it will break
[20:38] <shadeslayer> and can i go back to 8.10
[20:38] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:38] <Pici> No
[20:38] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: if you are asking : ITS NOT STABLE
[20:38] <bruce89> not without re-installing
[20:38] <shadeslayer> ok ok i got it
[20:38] <shadeslayer> so basically it works one way
[20:38] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:38] <Pici> It should show a warning before installing: HERE BE DRAGONS
[20:38] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d
[20:38] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:39] <BUGabundo> oh damn! I gave him the  key to hell
[20:39] <shadeslayer> so when will beta be out??
[20:39] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[20:39] <Sa[i]nT> LoL.
[20:39] <BUGabundo> ehhehe /me winks at Pici
[20:39] <bruce89> nice, but about a month away still
[20:39] <Sa[i]nT> I'm thinking about upgrading.
[20:39] <bruce89> not that beta means anything
[20:39] <Sa[i]nT> But I don't wanna have to revert.
[20:39]  * shadeslayer has no idea what they are talking about
[20:40] <Sa[i]nT> My HD has had more installs than Madonna.
[20:40] <Teddy___> Ubuntu has an old version of my package.  How can I make sure the newer (actually working) version is included in Jaunty?
[20:40] <shadeslayer> ok thanks guys
[20:40] <shadeslayer> bye and best of luck
[20:40] <Pici> Teddy___: Best place to start asking would be in #ubuntu-motu
[20:40] <DasKreech> Sa[i]nT: I guess that makes sense to someone...
[20:40] <Teddy___> Pici: Thanks, will do
[20:41] <BUGabundo> Teddy___: it's a bit late...
[20:41] <BUGabundo> we are past Feature Freeze
[20:41] <maco> Teddy___: you'd need a feature freeze exception
[20:41] <BUGabundo> its gona take some paperwork
[20:41] <BUGabundo>  !FFE
[20:41] <shadeslayer> have one lil question
[20:41] <BUGabundo> Teddy___: what is your package?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> is it in debian?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> can it be autosync?
[20:42] <maco> which means demonstrating that it really does need to be upgraded to a new version, maybe due to a massive amount of bugs or security issues or something being fixable only by upgrading
[20:42] <bruce89> feature freeze isn't the same as package freeze
[20:42] <Teddy___> BUGabundo: Package "mandos", it is already in Debian unstable.
[20:42] <shadeslayer> beta release is slated for march 26,a month away
[20:42] <Sa[i]nT> I've been thinking about writing perl packages for Ubuntu. But I have no ambition.
[20:42] <shadeslayer> oh all right i answered my question myself
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:43] <BUGabundo> bruce89: you are correct
[20:43] <maco> bruce89: oh does feature freeze only block new packages, but not new versions of packages?
[20:43] <BUGabundo> I got under the idea that the package was not on ubuntu... but it is
[20:43] <bruce89> that's why I said it
[20:43] <BUGabundo>  !info mandos
[20:43] <maco> BUGabundo: we fail :(
[20:43] <bruce89> it's just a thing developers say to get away with not doing anything
[20:43] <BUGabundo> maco FF blocks any major change
[20:44] <remu> So those of you running Jaunty with ext4, is the speed increase really noticeable? Or is it more of a benchmarking improvement?
[20:44] <BUGabundo>  !package mandos
[20:44] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: I certainly notice it all the time when building software
[20:44] <maco> bruce89: lol
[20:44] <remu> IntuitiveNipple, alright, and bootup wise? Or application load wise (dunno if that would even make a difference)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> Description: a server giving encrypted passwords to Mandos clients This is the server part of the Mandos system, which allows computers to have encrypted root file systems and at the same time be capable of remote and/or unattended reboots.
[20:45] <Sa[i]nT> I am currently making some proggy's for DnD user's.
[20:45] <bruce89> remu: can't tell myself, but it takes time
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: Generally it 'feels' more responsive. When doing stuff on large trees it is very fast compared to ext3
[20:45] <remu> bruce89, ah, I see
[20:45] <DasKreech> !info mandos
[20:45] <remu> Okay, yeah, I don't care if it is or isn't faster, as long as it "feels" faster
[20:45] <bruce89> it takes time to be faster, if that makes sense
[20:46] <remu> bruce89, yeah, it does.
[20:46] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: When you're got several hundred-thousand files in a tree, it is noticable
[20:46] <remu> bruce89, yeah, it does.
[20:47] <remu> Lol, fair enough
[20:47] <bruce89> I heard that before somewhere
[20:54] <vigo> I did not get an Advanced, I will just install with a windows HD and that should work?
[20:54] <remu> I just noticed, under the livecd my touchpad behaves a little weird, I can't tap to click, or scroll....is there a fix/workaround for this?
[20:56] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: You'd need the gsynaptics driver
[20:56] <remu> I see, pretty much just sudo apt-get install gsynaptics
[20:57] <vigo> I will plug another HDD in do this again.
[20:57] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: Not sure - it requires a setting to allow it to access shared memory
[20:57] <BUGabundo> this went quiet for a while
[20:57] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: Maybe live-CD can't/won't be able to do that.
[20:58] <IntuitiveNipple> remu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[21:00] <maco> IntuitiveNipple: most things have moved out of synclient / SHMConfig (bad security nastiness) and into syndaemon
[21:01] <maco> but no tapping or scrolling could be the driver version. various touchpads have issues with the various synaptics versions in jaunty
[21:01] <maco> gsynaptics is really a bad idea (and i say this as the person that made the acceleration tab)
[21:03]  * maco listens to the crickets
[21:04] <DasKreech> Soothing eh?
[21:04] <bruce89> aye, such a boring game
[21:04] <maco> remu: see what i just said
[21:05] <maco> also, the way to change touchpad settings without using xorg.conf for it is shown: http://jann.is/daily/archives/823-Kubuntu-8.10-beta-KDE-4.1-synaptics-TouchPad-problem.html
[21:06] <maco> and someone....james_w? was working on syndaemon and how to turn off tapping while typing
[21:06] <IntuitiveNipple> maco: The hal FDI instructions are on the Ubuntu wiki page I pointed to
[21:06] <maco> IntuitiveNipple: oh that's new
[21:06] <maco> ok then
[21:07] <IntuitiveNipple> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Configuration%20with%20HAL%20fdi%20files
[21:07] <maco> i should see what the current state of that is before i look for mystery-dev's mailing list post too then
[21:07] <maco> oh hey syndaemon's on there too now, great!
[21:07]  * maco stops hunting
[21:07] <IntuitiveNipple> hehehe
[21:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I prefer the direct SHM method... I don't use a computer to have it prevent me doing things
[21:08] <maco> SHM creates a 777 area of shared memory though
[21:08] <IntuitiveNipple> so?
[21:08] <maco> much evilness can insue
[21:08]  * maco smiles wickedly
[21:09] <bruce89> is MoM still on the go?
[21:09] <maco> MoM?
[21:10] <bruce89> Merge-o-Matic
[21:10] <DasKreech> The older version of StepMoM
[21:10]  * maco just learned that the GNOME HIG limits the number of tabs on a dialog to 6, after which they should be a list on the left instead of tabs
[21:11]  * maco wonders why KDE doesn't do the same
[21:11] <maco> kmail runs out of space for tabs at the top when asking for identity info and then the tabs scroll off the edge
[21:11] <maco> it's ugly and annoying
[21:11] <DasKreech> really?
[21:11] <DasKreech> never noticed
[21:12] <maco> oh wait fixed in kmail for kde4
[21:12] <maco> yay!
[21:12] <maco> intrepid's kmail did that
[21:14] <IntuitiveNipple> hehehe  "... 'Yes. Red Hat will indeed be pushing the Linux desktop again.'" Sounds like their car broke down :)
[21:14]  * bruce89 would like a better solution to the GtkNotebook arrow scroll thin
[21:14] <bruce89> IntuitiveNipple: what are they doing now?
[21:14] <maco> theyve been talking about a scroll bar for notebooks
[21:15] <maco> but i think that was a strawman
[21:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm waiting for the bean-can GUI element
[21:15] <DasKreech> maco: Probably why I didn't notice it :-)
[21:16] <DasKreech> IntuitiveNipple: I thought Redhat's purpose was NOT to push the desktop
[21:16] <remu> thanks maco
[21:17] <maco> DasKreech: it wast created, jut talked about on gnome-usability
[21:17] <IntuitiveNipple> I want to rotate something I'm reading horizontally like reading a tin can
[21:17] <maco> w/ mockups
[21:17] <DasKreech> maco: No I meant the Kmail Tabs thing
[21:17]  * bruce89 waits for GNOME just being a tabbed interface with tabs for everything in it
[21:17] <DasKreech> Only really used Kmail seriously in KDE4
[21:17] <DasKreech> bruce89: With subtab classes
[21:18] <IntuitiveNipple> I wish OS/2 ideas were still around, along with the NeXT desktop. That object orientation was fantastic
[21:18] <bruce89> tabs along the top to replace programs, tabs along the bottom for documents
[21:19] <maco> DasKreech: oh ok
[21:19] <maco> bruce89: actually the gnome-usability people *hate* tabs
[21:19] <maco> DasKreech: well kmail for kde4 didnt release until about 6 months ago or so. it was not in hardy's kde4.
[21:19] <bruce89> that reminds me of that tab madness on planet GNOME
[21:20] <crdlb> that was kind of scary until I saw totem
[21:21] <bruce89> heh
[21:22] <BUGabundo> what? totem with tabs?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> although I apreciate them on Nautilus!
[21:23] <BUGabundo> great addition
[21:23] <bruce89> BUGabundo: it was a joke on Planet GNOME
[21:24] <bruce89> when Nautilus got tabs, people came up with insane tab mockups
[21:24] <bruce89> such as tabs in tabs
[21:25] <Laney> omg
[21:25] <Laney> how do I turn off the pidgin online alerts?
[21:27] <DasKreech> bruce89: The Gnome HIG actually says that apps should relegate tabs to the window manager
[21:27] <DasKreech> but that was written years ago and needs to be rewritten
[21:27] <bruce89> wow
[21:28] <mdeslaur> Laney: tools/plugins/libnotify/Configure plugin
[21:29] <Laney> mdeslaur: Nice one, didn't think to look in plugins
[21:30] <bruce89> http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7060/screenshotb.png
[21:30] <Teddy___> !info mandos-client
[21:30] <bruce89> !seed
[21:47] <Royall_> WHenever I boot jaunty I get about 4 windows a secocd opening
[21:47] <Royall_> they're not visivle except for in the panel
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Sounds like nautilus going nuts?
[21:53] <bruce89> Royall_: perhaps the mad notification thing
[21:54] <vigo> Hello , can anyone show me a site or something to dual boot 8Hardy and 9Jaunty, hardy is on master and jaunty is on slave.
[21:54] <CarlFK> vigo: install it - it says "I see another OS, want that included in grub?"
[21:56] <vigo> CarlFK: Ooops,,I did not see that, will reinstall , I was told not to select Grub from Jaunty, I may have misread it.
[21:57] <CarlFK> well, standard disclaiomer: its beta.. back up your stuff...
[21:57] <CarlFK> any idea why "no gurb"?
[21:57] <vigo> It is all backed up, I deselected Grub in Advanced, one said that it would cause troubles
[21:58] <CarlFK> huh - it's worked fine for me
[21:58] <vigo> On two HDDs?
[21:58] <CarlFK> funny thing is I didn't want it to include the other one, wasn't paying attention, and now I have lots of grub menu entires :)
[21:59] <vigo> Yeehaw
[21:59] <CarlFK> yep
[21:59] <vigo> Fun
[21:59] <bruce89> wahey
[22:00] <vigo> I did not want the two to conflict or something, so I tried the dual HDD install
[22:01] <vigo> Drive 1, Master has Ubuntu full, Drive 2, slave has Jaunty
[22:02] <vigo> I can unplug 1 and run Jaunty, but there has to be a better way.
[22:02] <CarlFK> worst case, you may have to boot the live cd and fix up grub, (which seems to take me 2 or 3 tires)
[22:03] <vigo> So two Grubs will not conflict?
[22:03] <CarlFK> it is spozed to work, so try it.  if it fails, report a bug
[22:03] <CarlFK> it's only 1 grub
[22:03] <vigo> Oh wait,,you said you have 4
[22:03] <CarlFK> I have about 7 entries in my menu.lst
[22:04] <CarlFK> and actually, I am not sure which drive it is on...
[22:04] <bruce89> two grubs are fine, I had Ubuntu and Fedora ones fine until today
[22:04] <Royall> Is there any way to downgrade from Jaunty to Intrepid, since Jaunty makes nautilus flip out opening failed starts for me upon login (or maybe fix that problem)?
[22:05] <Royall> It spawns /infintely/
[22:05] <bruce89> no
[22:05] <Royall> I'm only able to go on my computer because I'm in a Failsafe Terminal session
[22:05] <vigo> Yes, that make sense, sorta, everything is backed up again now, so I re-install Jaunty and include Grub,,or I can unplug HD1 and wget or apt-get grub whil one Jaunty.
[22:06] <vigo> on*
[22:08] <vigo> Now I am starting to make sense, I think,that could be fun, boot into Jaunty, apt-get Grub, log out, plug HD1 back up and should be fixed.
[22:09] <bruce89> apt-getting grub doesn't do anything in this case
[22:09] <adelie42> I just finished greatly customized ubuntu install. Is there a simple way to take the full installation and make it a liveCD / installable?
[22:09] <unixdawg> ok ever since updating yesterday now firefox and seamonkey keep locking up my system
[22:10] <vigo> While on Jaunty with HD1 disconnected, install grub, then rewire, reboot and see if is fixed
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Royall: you could try going to a tty and running updates
[22:11] <BUGabundo> vigo: back
[22:11] <BUGabundo> give me the resume of what's up!
[22:12] <vigo> BUGabundo: Didnt install Grub. Jaunty is in, but no boot select
[22:12] <BUGabundo> vigo: just have to run sudo update-grub
[22:13] <BUGabundo> on the other OS
[22:13] <vigo> BUGabundo: Yes, on the Jaunty?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> no
[22:13] <BUGabundo> on the previous OS
[22:13] <BUGabundo> where the grub is installed
[22:14] <vigo> This one works,,oh install another grub ?
[22:15] <vigo> No windows on this box anymore, other OS/Disk is Ubu8.04. Master, Jaunty is on Slave, I was thinking log over to Jaunty and install Grub into it?
[22:16]  * unixdawg starts kicking jaunty
[22:16] <unixdawg> stop locking up
[22:18] <bruce89> unixdawg: anything relevant upgraded yesterday?
[22:18] <vigo> Oh ok, I get ya now, been twenty years since I worked with UNIX. That sorta lit a bulb over my head.
[22:19] <vigo> I Thank you kindly.
[22:20] <unixdawg> I did a full dist upgrade
[22:20] <unixdawg> and then a fuull standard upgrade with apt-get
[22:21] <unixdawg> all went well
[22:21] <bruce89> ah
[22:21] <unixdawg> but now firefox and seamonky keep locking up my system and causing it to reboot
[22:21] <bruce89> that's a bit odd
[22:22] <unixdawg> yes
[22:23] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: strange
[22:23] <ZenithDK> Hi, is non-working flash a known issue?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> not many ppl complain about that
[22:23] <bruce89> I didn't think there was ever a working non-free flash
[22:23] <BUGabundo> did you use update-manager -d ?
[22:23] <ZenithDK> I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 a few days ago, and it has not been working since
[22:23] <ZenithDK> BUGabundo: yes
[22:23] <bruce89> !expand
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ZenithDK: 80% here
[22:24] <ZenithDK> BUGabundo: you are upgrading?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ZenithDK: i have flash 64 bits
[22:24] <BUGabundo> and works great
[22:24] <Royall> Seriously, nautilus is opening infinitly whenever I boot to anything other than a Failsafe Terminal Session. Either I need some way to downgrade to Intrepid or to fix the problem, or I'll have to format the whole partition
[22:25] <bruce89> Royall: any warnings or anything somewhere
[22:25] <ZenithDK> how about the ssh-agent, anyone having problems with that? it seems to ask me for my pw quite a few times here
[22:25] <Royall> When I installed Jaunty there was something about pythonxgtk-2.0 or something
[22:25] <Royall> an error
[22:26] <Royall> It basically crashed the updating thing
[22:26] <Royall> It was supposed to go to "Cleaning Up" and then "Restarting Computer" but it crashed before it could do either, it seems
[22:26] <Royall> not 2.0, it was 2.6
[22:26] <Royall> a conflict or something between 2.6 and 2.8
[22:27] <bruce89> that shouldn't matter Nautilus-wise
[22:28] <charlie-tca> That won't be fixed on the images until tomorrow, I think. They said it is in bzr already
[22:28] <Royall> I tried uninstalling brasero because I read it was causing the problem for some people
[22:28] <Royall> charlie-tca: ha, so if I would have waited a day I would be fine? -_-
[22:29] <charlie-tca> maybe... It doesn't mean something else didn't get broken.
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Can you get to a terminal using Ctrl+Alt+F2?
[22:29] <Royall> Is there a way to reinstall Jaunty without losing my data?
[22:30] <charlie-tca> You could run the updates, from there
[22:30] <bruce89> if you have a /home partition, yes
[22:30] <Royall> charlie-tca: I can
[22:31] <charlie-tca> run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", restart it and see if that fixes it.
[22:32] <ZenithDK> tried removing the "nonfree" flash version, installed the "adobe-flash" instead, that seems to work for some reason
[22:32] <Royall> was dist-upgrade supposed to take two seconds?
[22:32] <Royall> also it says "two packages were held back"
[22:32] <Royall> would those be important?
[22:33] <bruce89> Royall: not likely
[22:33] <Royall> well I did both commands, I'll try restarting
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Did it ask you to okay it?
[22:35] <charlie-tca> or did it have 0 updates?
[22:35] <bruce89> "Royall has left the room"
[22:35] <charlie-tca> oh, well.
[22:36] <bruce89> I don't know how people get into such a fankle, I've never seen anything like that
[22:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:37] <Royall> Nope
[22:37] <charlie-tca> I think there must be a trick to it
[22:37] <charlie-tca> No go, huh?
[22:38] <Royall> Nah, nautilus still flipping out
[22:38] <charlie-tca> Well, do we know it is nautilus?
[22:38] <maco> bruce89: fankle?
[22:38] <Royall> That's what most of the bug entries say when I search for the problem
[22:39] <bruce89> scots word, a mess
[22:39] <bruce89> mix-up perhaps
[22:39] <bruce89> what precisely occurs?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I can't get nautilus to do that. The best I got on two systems was a crash report on one.
[22:41] <Royall> bruce89: Me? When I boot, everything seems normal, and then gnome-panel appears with "Starting..[someting]" (it shrinks too fast to read) windows spawning infinitely. Eventually it uses up my dualcore and Ubuntu freezes entirely.
[22:41] <bruce89> sounds nice
[22:41] <Royall> I can't click on the windows, and they're minimized it seems
[22:42] <Royall> I can't identify the offending process in system monitor, partially because I don't know what it would look like
[22:42] <bruce89> anything unusual installed?
[22:43] <Royall> jaunty
[22:43] <bruce89> package-wise
[22:43] <Royall> deluge, xchat, firefox, a bunch of applets, and...Gnome Do start on boot
[22:43] <Royall> and pidgin, wicd
[22:44] <bruce89> gnome-do could be playing up I suppose
[22:44] <Royall> I don't know what would be considered unusual
[22:44] <Royall> I think I tried killing Gnome Do in system monitor one time
[22:44] <Royall> I don't think that's it
[22:45] <Royall> I don't think I saw nautilus on the list of processes when getting to the monitor, which leads me to believe that that's it
[22:45] <bruce89> is there anything going mad on top?
[22:45] <Royall> Nope
[22:48] <Royall> I'm gonna quit xchat so I can run firefox
[22:49] <bruce89> hmm, maybe we should have mentioned xchat &
[22:53] <maco> bruce89: or nohup
[22:57] <bruce89> heh, notify-osd needs compiz and use of the human icon theme to work properly
[22:58] <crdlb> how does it behave w/ metacity?
[22:59] <bruce89> perhaps I was a bit mad saying the above, but the blur doesn't work
[22:59] <crdlb> erm, obviously? :>
[23:00] <bruce89> forget that bit, but the icon theme thing is a big issue
[23:00] <crdlb> this gpu doesn't support blur
[23:00] <Royall> Ok, I was able to fix it by downgrading nautilus
[23:01] <Royall> Thanks to a .sh from a bug comment
[23:02] <crdlb> bruce89: it really doesn't inspire confidence in notify-osd in general :/
[23:02] <bruce89> I didn't have much when I heard of it all those months ago when it was planned
[23:05] <veritos> Will Ubuntu+1 include any KDE 3 stuff?
[23:05] <bruce89> AFAIK Hardy didn't even
[23:06] <veritos> bruce89: Amarok?
[23:06] <veritos> Amarok 2 wasn't released yet, so it was just 1 (which was KDE 3).
[23:08]  * bruce89 should have kept quiet
[23:09] <veritos> that's fine; i suppose that i can actually LOOK AT THE METAPACKAGE.
[23:09] <bruce89> !info amarok
[23:10] <veritos> yep, that's the new release.
[23:10] <veritos> !info bibletime
[23:10] <bruce89> Any good reason Ubuntu's Amarok uses mysql?
[23:13] <Laney> ah hax on top of hax
[23:13] <Laney> downgraded to Intrepid's xorg, works much better
[23:15] <kane77> bruce89, does it?
[23:15] <cwillu> bruce89, why shouldn't it?
[23:16] <unixdawg> ok apt-get says thereis 275 megs in updates but it keeps lockign up when reading the pkg db
[23:16] <bruce89> a SQL server is surely a bit heavyweight
[23:16] <cwillu> for a database?
[23:16] <bruce89> for a music player
[23:16] <cwillu> anyways, it can use sqlite as well, no idea which one is the default (either will fulfill the dependencies)
[23:17] <cwillu> bruce89, if you want a music player, you know where to find totem and company
[23:17] <kane77> actually I found exaile to satisfy my needs and fit to gnome desktop better :D
[23:17] <cwillu> but it's silly for an app to reinvent a database when so many are already stable and tested :p
[23:17]  * bruce89 doesn't do music anyway
[23:18] <cwillu> exaile uses sqlite as well kane77 :p
[23:18] <kane77> yup
[23:18] <bruce89> yikes, the amarok package allegedly has a copy of mysql in it
[23:18] <unixdawg> I am gettting hash sum miss matches
[23:18] <cwillu> it can use mysql, I doubt they've statically included one as well
[23:19] <bruce89> "New package with mysql sources included, as discussed with security team" says the changelog
[23:19] <cwillu> still not sure why you'd care
[23:19] <cwillu> so it uses a database, big deal
[23:19]  * bruce89 is a nosey bastard
[23:20] <bruce89> with no life to speak of
[23:20] <cwillu> better they use a database then reinvent the damn thing and get a dozen details wrong out of the hundreds one has to get right :p
[23:22] <bruce89> I mean, I'm watching the Woman's Scottish Curling Championchips
[23:27] <cwillu> bruce89, tell you what, I'll give you something worthwhile to do:
[23:28] <cwillu> bruce89, beat the 100 levels mode of casualcollective.com's desktop tower defense
[23:28] <cwillu> been going a week on it, can't get past level 85
[23:31] <bruce89> rather like 20,000 lightyears of space
[23:33] <bruce89> in fact, almost a clone
[23:33] <cwillu> eh?
[23:33] <cwillu> tower defense
[23:33] <cwillu> (and it's 20,000 lightyears _in_ space)
[23:33] <cwillu> !info lightyears
[23:33] <cwillu> oh, come on, give the full name at least :/
[23:34] <cwillu> ooo, I didn't even notice that one :)
[23:34] <bruce89> och, close enough
[23:34] <cwillu> http://www.casualcollective.com/games/DesktopTD was what I was referring to though
[23:35] <bruce89> I'm there, amazed swfdec can do it actually
[23:42] <vigo> This thing rox!
[23:44]  * cwillu pokes the over-enthusiastic user with a stick
[23:53] <Volkodav> U have a real weird thing going on - I get nautilus to run in my xfce session and along with it the desktop changes to gnome's (icons etc)
[23:53] <Volkodav> when I killall -9 nautilus the desktop changes back to xfce but nautilus pops back up
[23:53] <Volkodav> ?
[23:55] <cwillu> Volkodav, nautilus provides the desktop in gnome, it's probably confused into thinking you want it managing the desktop
[23:55] <cwillu> nautilus --no-desktop
[23:55] <Volkodav> probably
[23:55] <cwillu> or set it in the preference
[23:56] <cwillu> +s
[23:56] <Volkodav> I managed to kill it now all the icons from xfce desktop are gone
[23:56] <Volkodav> darn it
[23:56] <cwillu> you may have to rerun whatever app is responsible for the desktop in xfce
[23:57] <Volkodav> yeah
[23:57] <Volkodav> xfdesktop
[23:58] <cwillu> damn, level 85 again :(
[23:58] <Volkodav> huh ?
[23:58] <cwillu> not you :p
[23:58] <cwillu> bruce89 ^^
[23:58] <bruce89> hmm?