/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/24/#ubuntu+1.txt

bruce89rather like my clan name00:00
Stralytici don't like that apps they haven't fixed yet get crap notifications, ie, banshee00:00
bruce89therein lies my problem with it00:00
BUGabundo1Stralytic: add them to the list that needs pathing and file a bug00:01
BUGabundo1with a tag "notifications"00:01
BUGabundo1I've done it for 4 apps now00:01
bruce89patching stuff to work around downstream problems is not good00:02
macobruce89: that's not the problem00:03
macothose apps are breaking the fd.o spec, that's why it doesnt work00:03
macofd.o allows with or without actions. the apps are supposed to check and see if the notification framework is action-capable. if not, they shouldn't send actions. some apps (the broken ones) don't bother checking00:03
BUGabundo1bruce89: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD ?00:04
BUGabundo1https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines00:04
bruce89I suppose why bother when the (at the time) only notification daemon supports actions00:04
bruce89but removing actions is silly in some cases00:04
BUGabundo1I agree00:04
bruce89and dialogues are not the right way00:04
macothe dialoges are a workaround to prevent notifications that say "click ___ to ____" and lack buttons00:05
macobecause if it's asking a question, it is *obviously* a dialog00:05
macoand if only has OK...why is it asking?00:05
StralyticBUGabundo1, banshee already has the bug reported... #327640 and #33169500:06
macobut still, id like to be able to click the notification to open an IM00:06
bruce89I hope they goes upstream00:06
BUGabundo1Stralytic: why 2?00:06
* bruce89 can't speak00:06
BUGabundo1bug 32764000:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 327640 in banshee "Need to check notification daemon for actions capabilities" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32764000:06
BUGabundo1bug 33169500:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 331695 in notify-sharp "notify-sharp is broken now (banshee) in jaunty - wrong popups" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33169500:06
BUGabundo1Stralytic: do they have the notifications tag?00:07
crdlbnice, this is much better00:07
crdlbit's a bit inconsistent that the volume popup has that transparency patch and the brightness one doesn't, though00:08
StralyticBUGabundo1, no00:08
BUGabundo1crdlb: I don't even see one on my laptop for bright00:09
BUGabundo1just sound00:09
macotransparency patch?00:09
crdlbon the gnome-dontmakemespellit-session, I get fancy volume and gtk+ brightness00:10
macohaha00:10
crdlbyou know, it looks giant and mostly transparent00:10
bruce89I'd love icons in the brightness ones00:10
crdlbbeen in ubuntu since at least gutsy, maybe even feisty00:10
BUGabundo1yeah00:11
macoyou mean the compiz ones then?00:11
BUGabundo1if you enable composite on metacity00:11
macothe gtk+ ones arent huge, i dont think...00:11
crdlbit's a patch to gnome-settings-daemon00:11
BUGabundo1or compiz00:11
BUGabundo1but they are diff00:11
crdlbcompiz isn't doing it00:11
crdlbmaybe I can get them to just remove that patch since stock ubuntu won't be using it anyway00:12
crdlbalso, gnome-terminal now switches between fake and real transparency00:13
crdlbawesome00:13
alex-weejyeah :D00:15
BUGabundo1crdlb: is that new?00:16
crdlbyeah, it used to only check once, when creating the window00:16
BUGabundo1ah00:17
Andre_Gondimmy touchepad scroll is missing =/00:17
BUGabundo1hey nice... I can do layers of Gnome terminal now00:17
BUGabundo1with transparency00:17
BUGabundo1yay00:17
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: did you install from alpha 4?00:17
Stralyticcompiz sux00:17
BUGabundo1did you read the release notes?00:17
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, yeah00:18
BUGabundo1do you have a multi thouch touchpad?00:18
BUGabundo1Stralytic: I like it... just wished it was more stable00:18
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, no but i will00:18
BUGabundo1the Nvidia refresh probs are dragging them selfs on for way to long00:18
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: see topic00:19
BUGabundo1http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha400:19
BUGabundo1https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview00:19
Stralyticintel dont do gl and composite, well it does with uxa if you want bucket loads of instability00:19
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: do you have a multi thouch touchpad?00:19
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, i will read brb00:19
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: do you have a multi thouch touchpad?00:20
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, how do i know if a have multi thouch touchpad?00:21
BUGabundo1if you use two fingers to scroll, does it work?00:21
BUGabundo1put to fingers togheter and try00:21
crdlbis that the only multiouch feature enabled by default?00:22
BUGabundo1lots of users have multitouch and don't know00:22
BUGabundo1crdlb: I dunno00:22
BUGabundo1what others are there on most apps?00:22
BUGabundo1Firefox 3.1 trunk and 3.2 have way more00:22
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, well i think is not multi...00:22
BUGabundo1discussion is still opened if jaunty will have 3.1 or not00:22
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: what laptop is it ?00:23
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, i have a scroll area00:23
StralyticBUGabundo1, it is? i thought it would be too late to switch to 3.100:23
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, dell inspiron 152500:23
BUGabundo1Stralytic: depends00:23
crdlbAndre_Gondim: that's just for looks, there's nothing special telling ubuntu to enable a scroll area afaik00:23
BUGabundo1if by a miracle mozilla keeps the time frame, then good00:23
BUGabundo1but they ALWAYS slip00:23
BUGabundo1so NO00:23
* BUGabundo1 know not much about the dell familly00:24
BUGabundo1Andre_Gondim: AFAIK only macs, a few imbs and eeepcs do it00:24
BUGabundo1but I may be wrong00:24
crdlbapparently, this T42 has multitouch00:25
BUGabundo1yeah00:25
BUGabundo1you didn't know?00:25
crdlbwell, I guess I used it with the synaptics driver on gentoo years ago00:26
BUGabundo1really?00:26
BUGabundo1was it in there already?00:26
BUGabundo1I thought it required the new X >1.500:27
crdlbmaybe I'm misremembering00:27
Stralyticbye bye chanserv00:27
Andre_Gondimbugabundo, maybe the problem was reported here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/32058500:29
ubottuUbuntu bug 320585 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[Jaunty] Does not respond to tapping (scrolling fine)" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:29
BUGabundo1I thought you DIDN'T have scroll00:29
crdlbI use the trackpoint most of the time, anyway00:29
bruce89!glasgow00:31
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about glasgow00:31
miikhelp, i cant play MIDI files in ubuntu00:54
miikwhy?00:54
bruce89!info wildmidi00:55
ubottuwildmidi (source: wildmidi): software MIDI player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2-2 (jaunty), package size 10 kB, installed size 80 kB00:55
miiki think ubuntu should be able to play this by default00:55
miiki think Windows can do it00:55
miikwhen i clicked on my .mid files in ubuntu, i didnt even get any infobox or error, it just played it silent00:56
bruce89you need gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad00:56
BUGabundo1yeah00:56
BUGabundo1no codec for it00:56
bruce89it requires a large set of sound patches though00:57
miiki already have gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad00:57
miikbut it doesnt play .midi files, its all just silent00:57
bruce89you also need freepats00:57
xanax`what's the command to migrate all my repositories (and my system) from ibex to jaunty ?00:57
bruce89xanax`: update-manager -d00:57
miikwhats freepats? and why do i need all thse kind of different stuff i already have Totem, in Windows this just works00:58
xanax`ok thanks00:58
bruce89or do-release-upgrades d00:58
darthanubisxanax`, be careful00:58
bruce89miik: the actual sound fonts, they are too big for default installation00:58
miikoh00:58
miikif i have freepats, do i sill need gstreamer-ugly? do i still need wildmidi?00:59
xanax`yeah I know that could break my system.. I don't care that much.. I use ubuntu with Virtualbox..00:59
bruce89miik: depends how you want to play them00:59
miikoh00:59
miiki want play them in Totem00:59
miikor Rhythmbox or VLC00:59
bruce89command line: wildmidi, totem: gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, VLC: not possible01:00
miikworks in totem now, but when i skip in the song, it goes silent, cant skip01:00
bruce89that's why it's in the "bad" set01:01
BUGabundo1xanax`: save us the trouble, and PLEASE read release notes BEFORE upgrading01:01
BUGabundo1see topic01:01
miikoh01:01
miiksomeone should fix it, so its not bad anymore01:01
miikcuz i could play MIDI files on Windows 3.1101:01
miikthat was 20 years ago01:01
bruce89clearly no-one can be bothered01:01
bruce89but source is that way --?01:01
miikand i cant play it on my computer with linux in 2009?01:01
BUGabundo1miik: fell free to help01:01
bruce89it's not the way FOSS works01:02
bruce89also, not all instruments are available due to there not being a free version01:02
miikBUGabundo1, i cant code... but i would think linux in 2009 would be able todo what windows could do 20 years ago...01:02
xanax`heh... that's not reassuring, BUGabundo1 (I mean... the topic).01:03
bruce89developers do what they think is important, so clearly no-one thinks MIDI is01:03
BUGabundo1xanax`: bah never mind bug01:03
BUGabundo1just chrck the last link01:04
BUGabundo1http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha401:04
BUGabundo1https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview01:04
bruce89actually, the GStreamer MIDI plugin is in -bad because of wildmidi's GPL licence01:05
bruce89oops, my mistake, it's LGPL01:06
syockitisn't ubuntu's wildmidi a bit old?01:07
syockitthe last time I used it to play anything, it sounded horrible01:07
bruce89it's the same version as the one in the past, but I see upstream is working on a new one01:09
miikanyone expericned that thing where the computer cant read anything from the disk and ubuntu locks up, but it kinda is responsive, but 'ls' and stuff dont work?01:09
miikthen you goto the menu to press shutdown, and it appears, but when you press shutdown, nothing happens?01:10
BUGabundo1miik: bad disk??01:12
BUGabundo1run smartctl tests on it01:12
miikidk... it worked perfect until last week01:12
miiksmartmontools want install postfix? wtf?01:13
BUGabundo1ehehe01:14
BUGabundo1bug no doubt01:15
miiksmart-notifier dont work, cuz the python call it uses is deprecated01:15
miikusr/share/smart-notifier/smart_notifier/gui.py:51: DeprecationWarning: Passing the named_service parameter to add_signal_receiver by name is deprecated: please use positional parameters01:15
BUGabundo1one more bug01:17
bruce89the magic of Python01:25
miiksmartctl seem to indicate no error01:27
bugabundomaco: akgraner reported back telling it was the FB plugin. is that your prob too?01:55
macobugabundo: what?02:03
bugabundodidnt u say that pidgin was crashing a lot?02:04
bugabundomaybe Facebook account?02:04
bugabundoi know that my twitter account (microcode-purple) causes me a lot of trouble02:04
burneranyone out there using nvidia-glx-180 with dual screens who can tell me how to change the sides?  my left should be my right and my right my left!02:09
burneri get some modesetting not allowed gibberish when i try to use nvidia-settings02:10
* bruce89 hopes (sort of) for Facebook adopting XMPP02:12
bugabundoburner: open nvidia setting and move it arround02:14
bugabundobut good luck getting the bars to stay where u want them02:15
burnerbugabundo: i can move them, but when I hit apply, it doesn't work these days... that's where it kicks up an error02:42
burnerfailed to set metamode, blah blah balh02:42
bugabundoburner: will have to test it02:58
bugabundoit was working 2 weeks ago02:59
WT-Udevbug 31744204:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317442 in cryptsetup "initrd does not contain conf/conf.d/cryptroot file for encrypted root (dup-of: 325690)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31744204:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325690 in udev "udev has wrong name for devmapper devices, cryptsetup initramfs hook fails" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32569004:02
TuTUXG#33227004:05
TuTUXGbug 33227004:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332270 in udev "udev repeatedly generates "change" events for the same block device(s)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33227004:05
Stralyticbug 104:07
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)04:07
Stralytictimeout?04:07
TuTUXGapparently the broken one didn't affect me...04:07
bruce89!timeout04:07
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about timeout04:07
TuTUXGbug 004:08
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 0 could not be found04:08
bruce89bug 7675704:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 76757 in mesa "xserver-xgl crash in r200DestroyTexObj" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7675704:08
Stralyticbug -104:08
TuTUXGdon't abuse the bot04:08
bruce89bug 3.1404:08
Stralyticwhy not?04:08
TuTUXGyou like to abuse stuff?04:09
TuTUXGbug 1 should be Microsoft has a majority market share04:10
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)04:10
TuTUXG!bot-snake04:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about bot-snake04:10
TuTUXG!botsnake04:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about botsnake04:10
TuTUXG!snack04:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about snack04:10
TuTUXG!botsnack04:11
ubottuYum! Err, I mean, APT!04:11
Volkodavanybody knows how to make print font bigger ?04:11
TuTUXGfrom cml?04:12
TuTUXG!lp04:13
ubottuLaunchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/04:13
TuTUXG....04:14
WT-UdevTuTUXG: Yeah, that bug doesn't load04:16
TuTUXGbecuz it's too big04:17
Stralyticbug 204:26
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 2 could not be found04:26
Stralyticdoh04:26
Stralyticbug 66604:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66604:26
Stralyticbug 808604:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 8086 in initrd-tools "filesystem modules loaded unnecessarily?" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808604:32
WT-UdevStralytic: here bug 680004:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 6800 in libdebian-installer "anna does not install partman-partitioning (dup-of: 6797)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680004:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 6797 in libdebian-installer "does not display mount points for partitions anymore" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/679704:33
WT-Udevthat's potentially bad.  If there were a chain of bug reports mentioning each other in the subject...04:34
Stralyticlol04:34
Stralyticlets make some :D and call them all bug on ubottu04:35
WT-UdevThat's not the kind of game I like to play04:35
Stralyticparty pooper04:35
macohas anyone else's pidgin buddy list gone invisible?04:39
amoblinhello!04:44
remuHey folks. How is the Alpha looking? I was considering putting it on my system....should I take the warning in the topic with a grain of salt? Or should I heed it completely and run, lol.05:03
WT-Udevremu: It seems to effect anyone using LVM.  A fix was in progress when I last went to bed, and workaround already exists.05:06
billybigrigger /topic #ubuntu+105:11
billybigriggeroops05:11
lanoxx-hi05:19
lanoxx-i just wanted to ask if there are any main showstoppers still in jaunty05:20
lanoxx-i was thinking to upgrade to jaunty once the beta is out05:20
lanoxx-which should be the day after tomorrow, right?05:20
lanoxx-:)05:21
lanoxx-trentlemon, are you using jaunty yet?05:21
trentlemoni am actually! on secondary box05:22
trentlemoni had question regarding notify-osd05:22
lanoxx-i saw it, but i cant help about that05:24
lanoxx-i was just wondering how stable jaunty is at the moment05:24
trentlemoni havn't had any problems thus far05:24
trentlemonhappy to report05:24
trentlemonext4 is very nice05:24
lanoxx-i want to upgrade once the beta is out, so i can do some bugreports05:25
trentlemoni see the next alpha is due in another few days05:25
trentlemondo you know when the beta is05:25
lanoxx-hehe, i can believe, do you actually notice a real speed improvement?05:25
trentlemoni don't think i'm imagining it...even the installer seemed faster with copying files05:25
lanoxx-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule05:26
lanoxx-cool05:26
lanoxx-so are there any show stoppers/05:27
remulanoxx, I'm on here for the same question, lol.05:39
remuI was thinking of hopping on either tomorrow onto the Alpha4, or waiting two more days for Alpha505:39
lanoxx-hehe, good to know05:40
lanoxx-i think if i switch i might wait till alpha505:41
lanoxx-thats a bit safer after all05:41
remuYeah, its only two days away....however, its only two days, so I'm tempted, with the hope of upgrading to it with out a problem, lol.05:41
remuBoredom seems to tempt me too much, lol.05:42
Loungewhat do ya got to loose?05:42
lanoxx-especially since it includes the rebuild test from 19th05:42
remuLounge, just some time is all, lol.05:42
lanoxx-well im kinda working on a productive system so if there are major show stoppers at this time i would not upgrade05:43
lanoxx-for the smaller problems i think can fix a few of them my self or wait till they are fixed05:43
remuYeah, I'm in the same boat, this is my main system, so I'm just worried about that stuff.05:44
lanoxx-e.g are there regressions from 8.10 and does resume/suspend work05:44
lanoxx-?05:44
remuThough, I'm hoping my remote for the laptop might work with Jaunty, and sound "issues" should be gone too.05:44
Loungewith big problems where i can't bootup - i just bootup into the stable system on the other half of the and and chroot into jaunty to try and fix things05:45
dtchen_there are significant regressions in terms of audio from 8.10, yes05:45
Loungeother half of teh hdd*05:45
lanoxx-hehe, i could do that, does it happen often05:45
dtchen_so if you're reliant on working sound, alpha 5 likely won't do anything for you05:45
remuWell, sound was easily fixed by adding a line into alsa-base05:46
lanoxx-hmm05:46
lanoxx-sound is kinda important for me05:46
dtchen_remu: i'm not referring to base quirks05:46
remuOh05:46
dtchen_i'm referring to broken hwptr in the kernel, which really kills glitch-free pulseaudio05:46
remuI think I'm gonna try it anyways, and if it doesn't work, then I can always re-install Intrepid05:47
remuah, understandable05:47
dtchen_i disabled glitch-free globally for jaunty users because of that regression05:47
lanoxx-oh, that sounds bad, when will a fix be to expected?05:47
dtchen_lanoxx-: we're investigating it upstream05:47
remuHmm, good to know.05:47
remuIs there a bugreport we could follow?05:47
lanoxx-dtchen, ok, :-), could you point me to the bugreport?05:47
dtchen_bug 33081405:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 330814 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio[4255]: segfault " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33081405:47
remuthanks dtchen05:48
dtchen_ugh, too bad a fsck completely hosed my lvm earlier; i have to use my hardy laptop until this rsync completes05:49
remulvm?05:50
dtchen_yeah, my system has been on encrypted lvm for / since hardy05:50
WT-UdevYup, same here.05:50
WT-UdevHowever I only had that no-cryptsetup issue once05:50
dtchen_earlier, post-resume, my primary laptop's / emergency remounted-ro, and when it rebooted to fsck, it hosed all of /sbin and /home05:51
lanoxx-its like partitioning but a different system05:51
remuOh, okay05:51
Loungejust did the updates a few seconds ago and 2.6.28-8- is finally working right on my system05:51
WT-Udevdtchen_: that sounds painful... why would an FSCK mess up a filesystem though?05:52
dtchen_WT-Udev: no idea, and i no longer have the setup to debug. as my primary development machine, i _need_ it up and running.05:52
WT-UdevYeah I understand05:52
DoYouKnowhi05:53
DoYouKnowis there any way to get around having to do a partial upgrade?05:54
DoYouKnowthere isn't a way to force another dist-upgrade?05:54
DoYouKnowfrom jaunty alpha 4 to the latest stuff05:54
WT-UdevDoYouKnow: If you're running Jaunty already then it will remain synced with Jaunty05:55
DoYouKnowok, the packages that won't install look like they are not-so-important05:56
DoYouKnowgrub and rhythmbox05:56
DoYouKnoware the only ones I see05:56
Loungelooks like pulseaudio is no longer able to load :/05:56
DoYouKnowwell, important but not to the stability issues I'm having05:56
Loungemodule "module-alsa-sink" is failing to load05:57
Loungesound works if i do "sudo alsa force-reload" as long as i not start pulseaudio05:58
dtchen_Lounge: can you pastebin the error from: pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -vv05:59
Loungek05:59
Loungeand just copy it all here?06:00
Loungepaste it?06:00
dtchen_please use paste.ubuntu.com or another pastebin06:00
WT-UdevLounge: Copy/paste it in to the paste.ubuntu.com buffer or pastebin.com or something, post the URL to your paste06:00
Loungenever seen that before06:01
Loungedo i past it in poster or content?06:01
WT-UdevLoad paste.ubuntu.com,  type something like Lounge in Poster, put the huge thing in Content, hit paste06:02
histois the mameworld.net site gone or is it just my dns?06:03
Loungeokay got it06:03
histoand if it is my dns how do I flush my bind9 server?06:03
histoits setup as a cache server.06:03
Loungedoing "pulseaudio" gave allot more error messages06:05
histough they lost their url.06:08
Loungek just pasted the results of pulseaudio -vv06:09
Loungeoh wait lol06:17
Loungeforgot to post it lol06:17
Loungehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/122212/06:17
dtchen_Lounge: sec, rsync is eating my bandwidth06:26
dtchen_Lounge: looks like something grabbed hw:0 while pa suspended06:28
dtchen_Lounge: what's the output from sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* ?06:28
Loungethis computer's intergraded sound card and linux's sound system never really got along06:29
Loungenothing returned from that cmd06:30
dtchen_Lounge: ok, sanity-check: please download and execute http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh as a bash script, then tell me the url it generates06:31
Lounge                     USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND06:31
Lounge/dev/snd/controlC0:  lucian     7957 F.... mixer_applet206:32
Lounge                     lucian     7964 F.... rhythmbox06:32
Lounge/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   lucian     7964 F...m rhythmbox06:32
Lounge/dev/snd/timer:      lucian     7964 F.... rhythmbox06:32
Loungehope that wasn't spammy06:32
dtchen_ah, that makes sense06:33
dtchen_so GSt is using alsasink instead of pulsesink06:34
dtchen_please close/quit rhythmbox06:34
Loungei turned odd rhythmbox and pulseaudio still errors06:34
Loungeoff*06:34
dtchen_does speaker-test -c2 work?06:34
dtchen_it should use the default device, which is routed through pulse06:35
Loungeyes from the left and to the right and back06:35
dtchen_Lounge: which device does it say it's using?06:35
Loungeum06:35
Loungesays device is default06:36
Loungesais default06:36
dtchen_good, and while speaker-test is running, what does the fuser command give you?06:36
Lounge                     USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND06:37
Lounge/dev/snd/controlC0:  lucian     7957 F.... mixer_applet206:37
Lounge                     lucian     9257 F.... speaker-test06:37
Lounge/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   lucian     9257 F...m speaker-test06:37
Lounge/dev/snd/timer:      lucian     9257 f.... speaker-test06:37
dtchen_hmm.06:37
dtchen_Lounge: did you ever run that alsa-info.sh script?06:38
Loungeno06:38
Loungeshould i do it?06:38
dtchen_yes, please06:40
Loungewhere's the location to it?06:40
dtchen_http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh06:41
Loungei don't need root access for this right?06:43
dtchen_no, you don't06:43
Loungek executing.....06:43
Lounge http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=8c1557a9b431376e1fbaadf8e463a5fc2b9a10ae06:43
Loungealso everytime i start my computer and boot into ubuntu (ever since) gutsy, i get sound crackling on the left side of the speaker/headphones, but then if i do "sudo alsa force-reload", the sound fixes its self06:46
Loungeand its normal again until i do a full shutdown06:46
Loungebrb06:58
Loungeokay teh new updates seem to fix pulseaudio07:14
Loungeif i shut it down by doing killall pulseaudio07:14
Loungethen i can start it using alt-f207:14
Loungehowever if i start it in the terminal, then i'll have to keep that terminal alive inorder for the pulseaudio daemon to continue running07:15
Loungejust thaught i'd make a note of that07:16
Loungesometimes i don't always want pulseaudio running because of wine07:17
Loungeif i have a game running in wine and pulseaudio is also running, major problems with a hung X-server occurs07:18
Loungei have to switch ttys and killall pulse audio and sudo alsa force-reload to fix the hung desktop07:19
Lounge"killall pulseaudio"07:19
Loungebut i think the problem is with wine and it's lack of support for pulseaudio07:20
* maco snorts at dtchen's quit message07:26
macoLounge: you should be able to use "pulseaudio -k"07:26
macoand i dont think start-pulseaudio-x11 requires that you keep the terminal open07:27
crdlbit's too bad he was allocated with g_slice :(07:29
dtchenLounge: pass -D to pulseaudio if you want it to daemonise07:30
dtchenLounge: otherwise it will remain in the foreground07:31
Loungekk07:31
Loungethanks for the info07:31
Loungeyes -D solved my issue07:32
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Loungetime for a bowl of noodles07:39
Loungei must say i like the new look on the song notifer when i have rhytmbox minimized to the pannel07:43
Loungeshows the new song and a thumbail of the album cover ^^07:44
Loungethumbnail*07:44
woody86Wow! I'm loving the new Kubuntu. Is anyone else running it?07:47
Loungewanted to say that the bootup speed with 2.6.28-8-generic is really impressive after the update07:48
billybigriggerLounge, what's your bootchart say?07:48
Loungei don't know >_>07:49
Loungebut it was faster at booting up07:49
billybigriggerinstall bootchart and reboot07:49
Loungeokay07:49
billybigriggercheck your /var/log/bootchart/ for a .png07:49
Loungewill do07:50
billybigriggerwill show you your boot speed07:50
billybigrigger0:25 secs for me...updating now and will see what i get07:50
billybigriggerLounge, http://billy.tharigga.com07:51
Loungewhen i bootup, i have to put in my luks pass to unlock the root07:51
woody86are you guys running the ext4 filesystem? I hear that it's quicker to boot than ext307:51
billybigriggeri get 25secs from an ext3 partition07:51
woody86wow07:51
billybigriggerand yes ext4 is supposed to be faster than ext307:51
billybigriggerbrb07:52
Loungenot i haven't setup ext4 yet07:52
woody86billybigrigger-  what specs?07:52
billybigriggeri think im going to setup ext4 tommarow07:52
Loungecan ext4 work well with cryptsetup and lvm2?07:52
woody86I'm not sure07:53
Loungei'm thinking all setup ext4 for when alpha 5 is ready07:53
Loungebut ext4 its self is still in development right?07:54
billybigriggerext4 is stable07:54
woody86+107:54
Loungewell it be added into jaunty?07:54
woody86it has been for some time now07:54
woody86it's already in the setup07:55
billybigriggerit is in jaunty07:55
Loungeits is? why didn't i see it :/07:55
Loungemeh i'll just wait for alpha five07:55
woody86when you make new install select "manual" partitioning, and you can select it in there07:55
Loungethe way i have this rig setup is07:56
billybigriggerhttp://billy.tharigga.com/jaunty-20090224-1.png07:56
woody86works fine for me for about a month now07:56
Loungei use the live cd first to unlock and mount all the lvm partitions first07:56
billybigriggerkernel update slowed me down 5s07:56
billybigrigger:(07:56
Loungethen i install the live cd onto those lvm partitions07:56
Loungeand i didn't seem to notice an option for ext4 on the format07:57
Loungemaybe i didn't look07:57
woody86yeah, it's in there. Just got to go into "Manual" partitioning like I said, and it's an option for "File Type"07:58
Loungebillybigrigger: what about setting up a boot profile?07:58
Loungek im gonna reboot and check the b-chart08:00
Loungebrb08:00
Loungelooks like the bootchat clocked the time at 0.40 with kernel option at: ro quiet splash08:06
Loungebut there was a routine check on one of the partitions08:06
Loungenot sure if that delayed the time08:06
Loungeor if that was added in to the chart08:07
Loungelooks like half of the bootchart png got truncated08:07
CosmiChaoshehe got my bootup tuned from 29 to 21 seconds :by installing prelink and change from CONCURRENT=none to CONCURRENT=shell andre-profiling the kernel-load. Does anybody know where i can upload my bootchart to show you this incredible fast ootup?08:24
CosmiChaos!image08:26
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about image08:26
CosmiChaos!paste08:26
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)08:26
billybigriggerCosmiChaos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting08:27
billybigriggerupload there08:28
billybigriggercompare with other user's08:28
CosmiChaoscannot upload anywhere on that site08:29
Alexia_DeathI have 1200 dpi mouse thats way too sensitive and jitters all the time .  Anybody got aclue how to fix it?08:30
WT-UdevAlexia_Death: maybe08:37
Alexia_DeathWT-Udev: Tell me?08:37
WT-Udevhttp://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58353308:37
Alexia_DeathWT-Udev: Seems like almost but not quite. I need to set it for an usb mouse that I hotplug...08:39
Alexia_Deathany gnome/kde level thing fucks with touchpad aswell...08:40
CosmiChaoshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DESKTOP-JAUNTY-9.04-ALPHA5-C2D-2%2C67GHZ-EXT4-PRELOAD-PRELINK-CONCURRENTSHELL.png08:40
Alexia_DeathGoing to bother X people about this...08:41
CosmiChaosups its alpha4 damnit08:41
WT-UdevYeah08:41
WT-UdevYou need some kind of per-device setting for xorg 1.608:41
WT-UdevI don't think ubuntu has a way of modifying that yet; You MIGHT file a bug about that08:41
IntuitiveNippleAlexia_Death: Do you have gsynaptic installed to manage the touchpad? Here, I have that controlling the touchpad sensitivity and the regular mouse control-applet to set the USB mouse sensitivity08:51
Alexia_DeathIntuitiveNipple: hmm, I do but never thought of that.08:54
Alexia_DeathIntuitiveNipple:  some sort of balance can be tuned out this way. not perfect but better than before.08:57
IntuitiveNippleI bet the two configurations interact :)08:58
Alexia_Deathyep. one balancing out against the other.08:58
IntuitiveNippleHa! Alexia_Death, you've caused me to discover a bug with the touchpad! I run dual X screens (:0.0, :0.1) and when the touchpad moves the cursor to screen 1 it can't move it back to screen 0 :)09:06
Alexia_Deathheh:)09:06
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WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Any news on udev stuff you might need tested?09:09
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: fixes releases overnight (udev 138-2 and lvm2 2.02.39-0ubuntu8)09:12
WT-UdevAh, I'll have to remove your repository to install them09:13
IntuitiveNippleI doubt it... I versioned my packages so they would be replaced09:13
* WT-Udev shrugs09:13
IntuitiveNipplejust do an update and they'll be listed09:14
WT-Udevwee... tons of update stuff09:14
WT-UdevI already removed the repository (well moved the file to a name that doesn't end in .list)09:14
IntuitiveNipplegood plan09:16
IntuitiveNippleAny package version that has a ~ will be replaced by a version that matches or exceeds the version before the ~09:17
IntuitiveNippleSo, 138-2 will replace 138-2~something09:17
CosmiChaosCan anyone familiar with bootup optimizing please watchover my bootchart and tell me if there is anything speial to optimize left? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DESKTOP-JAUNTY-9.04-ALPHA5-C2D-2%2C67GHZ-EXT4-PRELOAD-PRELINK-CONCURRENTSHELL.png09:23
CosmiChaoswill ext4-defrag be a feature of jaunty?09:37
CosmiChaosor at least will it be available through later upgrades ie 9.04.1 or .2?09:38
WT-Udevwtf, why'd they disable ctrl+alt+backspace on xubuntu too... I can't remember that bloody extra thing that needs to be added to enable it again...09:41
IntuitiveNippleZap something09:43
WT-UdevYou know, I'm sick of this09:44
billybigriggerWT-Udev, dontzap09:50
billybigriggerapt-get install dontzap and then sudo dontzap --disable09:50
WT-Udevhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/329150/comments/3 << Don't break09:51
ubottuUbuntu bug 329150 in ubuntustudio-controls "[Feature Request] Add GUI option to enable ctrl-alt-backspace" [High,In progress]09:51
billybigriggeratleast i had to install dontzap09:51
billybigriggerworst "feature" of jaunty IMO hands down09:51
* Ng chuckles at the topic. udev not looking so fixed to me09:55
WT-UdevNg: what system setup do you have?09:56
NgWT-Udev: encrypted root LVM09:57
WT-UdevMore precicely10:00
WT-UdevList all of the containers in your computer's storage tree10:01
NgWT-Udev: I have sda1 as /boot, sda2 as swap and sda5 as the LVM. It's the default setup of intrepid's alternate installer when you pick the "LVM and encrypt my whole disk" option10:03
WT-UdevOk, so you have encrypted root and nothing else, right?10:04
WT-Udevbug 33227010:04
NgI forget offhand if it creates a separate /home as well10:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332270 in udev "udev repeatedly generates "change" events for the same block device(s)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33227010:05
WT-UdevIt's within the same LVM volume though?10:05
Ngyeah10:05
WT-UdevHave you followed the instructions in the link there?10:05
mifritscherhi10:06
mifritscherwill there be an openvz kernel in the 9.04 release?10:06
NgWT-Udev: not yet, on the basis that I should have the fixed packages installed - I updated and rebooted last night after the new packages were in the archive. I also don't see any of the messages people see in that bug10:07
WT-UdevAh, Ng get back inside of it via the recovery steps again, but run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade  on the console to try and grab the fixed LVM2 packages10:07
WT-UdevActually, you might not need to use anything more than the recovery mode to get there10:08
NgWT-Udev: i just get busybox, it fsils to find anything10:11
TuTUXGnvidia driver can't start x, anybody mind to take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m7afcf74c  http://pastebin.com/mb60f02410:11
WT-UdevNg: you did the break=top thing?10:11
Ngno10:12
WT-UdevTuTUXG: did you add the ignoreabi thing to your xorg yet?10:12
WT-UdevNg: type 'mount'10:13
WT-Udevwhat's mounted?10:13
Ngif if luksOpen the sda5 partition myself in busybox, i get the partitions fine10:13
NgWT-Udev: nothing10:13
TuTUXGWT-Udev, ya, i did, but few hours ago that xorg.conf works fine10:13
WT-UdevHum... Ng are you sure you didn't add break=top to your recovery line?10:14
TuTUXGWT-Udev, even without the ignoreapi stuff10:14
WT-UdevIt sounds like you're waiting around inside the initrd10:14
NgWT-Udev: very10:14
WT-UdevDid it give you any error messages?10:14
Ngnope10:14
WT-UdevTuTUXG: You must add this section to your xorg.conf file10:15
WT-UdevSection "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" "True"10:15
WT-UdevEndSection10:15
WT-Udev... stupid irssi10:15
WT-UdevSection "ServerFlags"10:15
WT-UdevOption "IgnoreABI" "True"10:15
WT-UdevEndSection10:15
TuTUXGWT-Udev, k i will try that10:16
WT-UdevNg: You said you already knew how to mount / and chroot in to it?10:16
NgWT-Udev: yeah10:16
Ngwell i can mount it  chrooting seems to hang10:17
TuTUXGbrb10:17
WT-Udevchroot /where-ever /bin/bash hangs?10:18
WT-UdevDid you mount -o bind /dev /where-ever/dev10:18
WT-UdevDid you mount -o bind /sys /where-ever/sys10:18
WT-UdevDid you mount -o bind /proc /where-ever/proc10:18
WT-UdevOr you could mount them via the other method10:19
Ngi would normally mount those after chrooting10:19
WT-Udevthat works too10:20
Nghuh. works now10:20
WT-Udev... o k10:20
Ngits like the initramfs just doesnt call cryptsetup10:20
WT-UdevYeah... that problem's been going around.10:20
WT-UdevLet me guess, you're naming your root device by uuid instead of mapper name?10:21
Ngno its /dev-mapper/hostname/root10:21
Ngerr hostname-root10:21
Ng(bad typing, am using my phone ;)10:22
TuTUXGWT-Udev, no that didn't work10:25
WT-UdevNg: try update-initramfs -c -u `uname -r`10:25
NgWT-Udev: no joy. gonna read the initramfs scripts10:28
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WT-UdevNg: no error messages either though?10:37
WT-UdevHum... What you really need to do is get online and...10:37
Ngnot that i can see10:37
WT-Udevaptitude reinstall lvm2 dmsetup cryptsetup10:37
WT-UdevThat might still work offline if they're in your cache10:38
Ngi am booting now - one can continue bootimg once the root device appeaes10:38
WT-Udevhttp://www.debuntu.org/how-to-encrypted-partitions-over-lvm-with-luks-page-3-install-and-config10:39
WT-UdevYou might verify everything that has you do.10:39
IntuitiveNippleI have several articles on the subject. You might find this one helpful: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/InstallToMultipleLVMsArbitraryEncryption10:41
Ngif my crypt setup is wrong, it's because intrepid installed it wrong. fixing it on my machine won't help everyone else who is hit by this. I'm going to leave it and file/subscribe bugs :)10:44
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Yeah, shell logic is inverted.  That's because in the shell failure is non-unique but return is unique.10:49
WT-Udevrather, succeess is unique10:50
* IntuitiveNipple wishes he had time to install his telepathy package :)10:51
WT-UdevReading your key-by-usb-file script10:52
Ng(but I do appreciate the help, btw, and it's interesting to see a lack of much chatter about this - maybe there are few people with a setup like this, but maybe it's just my system)10:52
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: Ohhhh! lol10:54
WT-UdevNg: file a bug10:55
WT-Udevyou're person number two who's had issues with cryptsetup not working10:55
WT-UdevUnless you were the person I was chatting with about... 15 hours ago.10:55
NgWT-Udev: that was not me :)10:56
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: Your documentation... skimming over it, I don't really see how one specifies the keyfile.  Also, using a keyfile could be problematic as that then gives others something to go look for.10:56
Ngjust checking in #ubuntu-kernel before filing, mainly because I'm not quite sure which package to file it on10:56
Ademanis it possible for me to add the jaunty repos, install a couple packages from them, then disable them (i'm currently on intrepid) or do i absolutely need a dist-upgrade in order for that to work?  (it's just python2.6 so i don't think the deps will run too deep)10:56
NgI want to suspect it's just the initrd scripts10:56
IntuitiveNippleWT-Udev: The key-file is specifiedin crypttab10:57
WT-UdevAh, I see10:58
IntuitiveNipplethen the cryptsetup hook script in initramfs-tools sees to the rest10:58
Nghmm interesting, I do get errors about my crypttab entry during boot10:59
IntuitiveNippleThe protection is great for anti-theft protection, provided the key device is kept separately. It means normal boots don't require user input10:59
NgI wonder if that's why the initramfs isn't behaving properly10:59
WT-UdevNg: probably, the scripts it uses are generated from information IN your crypttab11:00
Ngthe file looks well formed to my eyes11:00
WT-Udevrootvolume /dev/ubuntu/encryptedroot none luks,retry=111:02
WT-UdevAll my crypt-tab lines look like that.11:02
Ngsda5_crypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/38b0be06-f925-48e6-a29f-0a3209bb47c7 none luks11:02
WT-UdevNg: can you try commenting out the by uuid lines and replacing them with lines based off the device name?11:03
WT-Udevsuch as mine is?11:03
NgWT-Udev: that still produces the error during update-initramfs; cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -11:04
Ng(assuming that the comment character for crypttab is #)11:04
WT-UdevYeah, my crypttab has this line in it11:05
WT-Udev# <target name> <source device>         <key file>      <options>11:05
WT-Udevupdate-initramfs -c -u `uname -r`11:06
WT-Udevupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-8-generic11:06
WT-Udevcryptsetup: NOTE: using /dev/mapper/ubuntu-encryptedroot instead of /dev/ubuntu/encryptedroot for rootvolume11:06
NgI wonder if this is just because I did the cryptseutp by hand. Maybe I used a different name to what it expected and now it's confused11:06
WT-UdevI should note, ubuntu-encrypted root is because the lvm group name is ubuntu11:07
amoblinHello everyone!11:08
Nghmm yeah I think that's what this is, I did "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 kodachi" which got me /dev/mapper/kodachi-root (which is what I expected), but crypttab calls the device sda5_crypt11:08
WT-UdevYou probably just want to drop the _crypt from the end11:09
NgWT-Udev: I should probably reboot and do the manual cryptseutp again with sda5_crypt. That would cause less confusion overall, I think11:10
WT-UdevNg: um no11:10
WT-UdevYou don't really need to do that11:11
WT-UdevWell, maybe if you're re-naming the input/output devices11:11
NgWT-Udev: I was right, rebooting and manually specifying the name as-per crypttab and then updating the initramfs again, produces a booting system11:15
NgI'm not saying you're wrong, I just prefer not to change things like crypttab because I don't know for sure if anything else needs that name to be consistent11:15
Ngbut it does mean that somehow, whatever generated the initramfs last before I rebooted, got it wrong and mucked up the cryptroot hook11:15
LLStarksgah.11:15
Ngsadly I have no way ot knowing what :/11:15
LLStarkswhy is phonon still not enabled for qt4?11:16
WT-UdevNg: I changed mine11:16
NgWT-Udev: fair enough :)11:16
WT-Udevnow everything in crypt-tab uses a /dev/mapper/ubuntu-XXX name.11:16
WT-UdevYou should use that if you have a map-created device, or a UUID/partition if you have a raw device11:17
IntuitiveNippleI force it to use UUIDs or LABELs11:21
WT-UdevSee, an LVM volume and name -is- a label.11:23
IntuitiveNippleI meant as in /dev/disk/by-*11:26
WT-UdevAn LVM entry isn't exactly a disc though is it?11:27
WT-UdevWould disk not then better be block/by or bdev ?11:27
IntuitiveNippleThere was a bug in cryptsetup initramfs-tools hook that prevented it uing UUID/LABELS in crypttab ... I patched that so now it is okay to use LABEL/UUID in crypttab.11:29
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: patched the source or your script does that?11:34
IntuitiveNipplepatched source; the package was published about a week ago I think11:35
Bert_2Hi, I'm going through lots of questions on launchpad and a lot are about jaunty, isn't there stated on the website that you should make bug reports about odd things and talk about stuff here and not make questions ?11:41
maxbHmm, Jaunty's gnome-terminal seems to have broken Ctrl-Shift-U-four-hex-digits12:05
maxbit only accepts the first three12:05
IntuitiveNippleGive me an example max - I'll try it here12:07
maxbHold down Ctrl+Shift and type u20ac12:09
maxbthen release Ctrl+Shift12:09
maxbYou should get a euro-currency sign12:09
IntuitiveNippleIt appears to not take the "C" then shows a "ÈŠ"12:09
WT-UdevWell that completely doesn't work under my konsole running under kde4 on a gentoo system... so...12:10
maxbI observe it rejecting the input of the c, and producing the U+20a character instead12:10
WT-Udevmust be specific to the gnome stuff12:10
maxbI assume it's some magic bit of gnome12:10
maxbI don't suppose anyone knows what it's called?12:10
IntuitiveNipplemaxb: It works here12:11
maxbworks?12:11
IntuitiveNipplePress Ctrl+Shift+U. Release Ctrl+Shift. Press 20AC12:11
maxb<IntuitiveNipple> It appears to not take the "C" then shows a "ÈŠ"12:11
maxb^that's it not working, I'd say12:11
IntuitiveNipplemaxb: When I hold down Ctrl+Shift whilst typing the 20AC it failed.12:12
maxbweird12:12
maxbwell, it worked with holding them down in intrepid12:12
IntuitiveNipplemaybe Ctrl+Shift+C is bound to something?12:13
maxboh12:15
maxb\Thanks!12:15
* maxb wonders *what* it's bound to12:15
maxboh12:16
maxbcopy, apparently12:17
maxbI'm sure this worked before, though12:17
IntuitiveNippleIt is niggling when someone changes something like that in packages... frustrating and takes ages to figure out12:17
WT-UdevYeah, like alt+ctrl+backspace / ctrl+alt+backspace12:19
maxbYeah, like replacing the entire notification system hours just before FeatureFreeze12:21
maxb:-)12:21
Oli``Hmm what happened to the session dialogue? (The one where you change what loads on boot)12:21
* IntuitiveNipple thinks someone is gonna get plenty of flack about that one12:22
maxboops12:22
maxbfyi: Do *not* accidentally run gnome-session when you meant to run gnome-session-properties :-)12:22
IntuitiveNippleeeeek12:23
maxbAmusingly it seemed to get into an infinite loop spawning nautilus instances12:24
maxbOli``: So, gnome-session-properties is still alive and well12:25
maxbThough you're right, it seems to have vanished from the menus12:25
IntuitiveNipplesomething has stolen the ability to left-click inside a window to switch focus in my compiz config... I have to click the window decoration... does that make sense?12:26
DrHalanhey odes anyone else at some sessions have indicator notifcations above the gnome panel12:26
maxbyes, that seems to have broken recently12:27
maxbI was just noticing it12:27
DrHalanbut it is just at some sessions12:27
DrHalanso i guess indicator starts before gnome-panel12:28
DrHalanbut it should be vice versa12:28
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Oli``thanks maxb - you're right: it still exists but the menu entry has been nuked12:40
DrHalan1https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/333800 i reportet this bug12:40
ubottuUbuntu bug 333800 in notify-osd "Indicator ignoring gnome-panel" [Undecided,New]12:40
DrHalan1for whoever had this issue too12:40
Oli``DrHalan1: can you expand on that? I don't understand what you mean and I wouldn't be surprised if others don't either12:42
DrHalan1best i make a screenshot of it12:42
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DrHalan1Oli``: is that clear enough? http://www.image-ant.org/file/be6c63b5496cce666d61251ff527af3b.png12:46
vbgunzI am noticing some characters look funny... anyone have an idea why? not all my characters (fonts, text) *but* sometimes here and there I see funny-ass characters like glyphs. anyone know whats happening?12:49
DrHalan1maybe you set the worng encoding vbgunz :P12:52
vbgunzDrHalan1: but it doesn't happen all the time. where can I see what encoding I have set?12:53
DrHalan1loook for "SCIM" it should be in your setting menu12:53
vbgunzhmmm I had generic english under locale12:53
vbgunzI changed it to united states12:54
vbgunzyou think that was it?12:54
vbgunzI dont have SCIM at all12:55
vbgunzwell I made some changes *but* I have to log out and back in to see them12:56
vbgunzbrb, hopefully it works. it can get messy sometimes. not sure what in the world is happening... brb12:56
coz_guys can ctrl+alt+backspace be enabled/12:58
IntuitiveNippleYes, there's some 'Zap' setting to add to xorg.conf12:59
vbgunzyes12:59
Geforce88good morning, i have a fresh install of 9.04 (which went well) but when i try to load t he older legacy drivers for the nvidia card i have the file system corrupts. could it be the wrong dirver package for the new kernal ?12:59
WelshDragoncoz_, sudo apt-get install dontzap && sudo dontzap --disable12:59
vbgunzadd Option "DontZap" "off" ... to ServerFlags section13:00
coz_ok guys thanks we have a guy that needs that to get nvidia crash report but maybe not ... just noticed he got the report without it but  goog to know I have thaat written down now :)13:00
coz_thanks gusy13:00
vbgunzdamn... I still see funny characters here and there...13:01
vbgunzdamn. I dont have SCIM in settings13:01
Geforce88the video card is nvidia riva tnt model 64 /model 64 pro (according to lspci)13:02
coz_I meant "thanks guys  not gusy duh13:02
WT-UdevGeforce88: Holy crap that's old13:03
Geforce88i also need to know where to find the 'screens and graphs' section in 9.04 so i can try to use the driver that comes with ubuntu rather than attempt to use the dep from nvidia.com13:03
WT-UdevYou're probably better served with the open source drivers13:03
Geforce88WT-Udev, i know, but i don't have an extra one to test with13:03
Geforce88my geforce 8800 is in the good machine13:04
Geforce88in some of the older releases there was an option where i could manually configure my video drivers, i just can't seem to find it on 9.0413:05
vbgunzit may have something to do with the font I chose "lohit tamil"13:06
Geforce88can i just sudo apt-get install the nv package and it work ?13:07
WT-Udevxserver-xorg-video-nv13:07
WT-Udevhttp://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv13:08
Geforce88ok, ty13:09
vbgunzI think the font "lohit tamil" is borked. I changed it to bitstream vera sans 9 and its pretty much the same without the bork (so far)13:18
Geforce88where is the screens and graphs option to manually set a video driver under 9.04 ?13:20
rootusrGeforce88, jockey-gtk not working?13:20
Geforce88yea, it shows no propreitary drivers in use13:21
Geforce88but i knew that as i don't have them installed13:21
rootusrGeforce88, but it should show which options you have, right?13:21
Geforce88the card wasn't picked up on install, and because it's oooooold, i don't even know if i'll be able to use it13:21
rootusrGeforce88, which card is it13:21
Geforce88all it popped up was the propiarity drivers dialog, nothing else13:22
Geforce88nVidia corp nv5m64 riva tnt2 model 64 /model 64 pro13:22
rootusrwow, tnt2, old stuff13:23
Geforce88yes it's old, but this is a test of 9.04. i've got a better card to use when i'm ready to upgrade13:23
Geforce88(see nick name)13:23
rootusri think nv driver should be good enough to handle that card13:23
Geforce88what i need is to find the way to make it use that driver package13:24
rootusrwhich should comes default13:24
rootusrGeforce88, well, i suppose if you install the 8800 and run that program again it should automatically show you what option you get13:25
Geforce88i don't want to take the 8800 out of the good machine. not now, all i want is the dialog (if it's even in use anymore) so i can change and select the driver package i want to use13:26
Geforce88on 8.04 i was able to enable the 3d effects, so at least as of 8.04 this card could handle the 3d13:26
rootusrjust curious, the jockey-gtk dialog window is not what you looking for?13:27
Geforce88again, all it shows me on 9.04 is the propeiraty drivers in use box. there are no options as to select drivers13:28
Geforce88it's frustrating to want to play with this release, and i can't13:29
rootusrGeforce88, because there is not restricted drivers suitable for you card13:29
Geforce88rihgt, so if i have the old way of choosing which driver to use , i'd be happy13:29
rootusr...13:30
Geforce88i take it that option has been removed for a more automated one ?13:30
rootusrthere is no suitable drivers, even you installed them manually and enable them manually they still won't work13:30
Geforce88well dang, as of 8.04 this card had suitable driver.13:32
Geforce88ok, thanks for your time13:32
WT-Udevrootusr: wouldn't the nv driver be suitable?13:33
rootusrWT-Udev, i told him that13:33
Geforce88whats it mean when you go to install the nvnida package and it says it's set to manual install ?13:33
Geforce88"xserver-xorg-video-nv is set to manually installed"13:34
IntuitiveNippleGeforce88: If you want to try identifying a driver that matches the PCI ID of the installed devices, I wrote a small script that does it. It might help you. http://tjworld.net/wiki/Howto/MatchDeviceIDtoDriver13:34
WT-Udevnvidia-glx-71 << Geforce88 that MAY work13:34
rootusrWT-Udev, he wants to use restricted driver for a tnt2, i don't think even 70xx driver can handle it?13:35
WT-UdevThe following GPUs are supported: RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, Vanta/Vanta LT, RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro, GeForce 6800 Ultra, GeF orce 6800, GeForce 6800 GT, Quadro FX 4000, Aladdin â–’13:35
Geforce88i can use the open source if some one would tell me how to find the option to set it13:35
IntuitiveNippleGeforce88: What is the PCI device ID of the adaptor?13:35
Geforce8803:09.013:35
IntuitiveNippleno, the PCI ID... that is the Bus ID13:36
IntuitiveNipplelspci -nn13:36
Geforce88i don't know how to find it13:36
Geforce88ty13:36
IntuitiveNippleIt'll be in [ ... ] brackets: VENDOR:PRODUCT13:36
WT-Udev02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G [10de:0428] (rev a1)13:36
WT-UdevSo 10de:0428 for mine13:36
Geforce8810de:002d13:36
WT-Udevhttp://smolts.org/smolt-wiki/pci/10de/002d/1545/000213:37
IntuitiveNipplegrep '10de.*002d' /lib/modules/2.6.28-7-generic/modules.pcimap13:38
IntuitiveNipplerivafb               0x000010de 0x0000002d 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x013:38
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: would that work better than xorg nv?13:39
IntuitiveNippleThat's the framebuffer driver.13:39
IntuitiveNippleNow we need to identify the appropriate xorg driver13:40
Geforce88you guys have lost me13:40
rootusrGeforce88, how do you know you are not using the nv driver right now?13:41
IntuitiveNipplegrep -i '10de.*002d' /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/*13:42
IntuitiveNipple/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/nv.ids:10DE002D13:42
rootusraha13:42
Geforce88i guess i am13:42
WT-UdevIntuitiveNipple: xserver-xorg-video-nv http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv  or nvidia-glx-71 for the binary ones.   It looks like http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix may work for Geforce88 as well13:43
Geforce88i guess i am13:43
Geforce88err, sorry, i mean, if i could have found the box i was looking for, i wouldn't have wasted your guys time13:44
Geforce88i suppose i'll go tear apart computers and find a 64 meg card or something as i know the 3d works (used too) on it13:46
rootusrGeforce88, so in 8.04 which driver did you use for you card?13:47
Geforce88i'm thinking it was a 93 or a 96 package number13:48
Geforce88but when i tried that one this last time i got the kernal mis match, then when i rebotoed the xserver was muffed up13:48
Geforce88so when i did dpkg-reconfigure, the file system got corrupt13:48
Geforce88and i had to start over.13:49
WT-UdevGeforce88: no, 93 or 96 would not work13:50
Geforce88i don't honestly remember.13:51
Geforce88meh, it's not a concern, i seriously need to just get a different card.13:51
rootusrGeforce88, if you go nvidia's web site http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and search for your card if will show you the 7186 driver13:52
WT-UdevWell, we've already said what drivers will work.13:52
rootusrWT-Udev, but jockey won't detect it for hime13:52
Geforce88you did ?13:52
WT-UdevGeforce88: >> IntuitiveNipple: xserver-xorg-video-nv http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/nv  or nvidia-glx-71 for the binary ones.   It looks like http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix may work for Geforce88 as well13:53
WT-UdevInstall one of those things13:53
Geforce88via apt-get? or synaptic? or compile my own ?13:53
WT-Udevnvidia-glx-71 -may- work, but it probably won't work WITH jaunty as nvidia doesn't have the xorg 1.6 rev protocol in that.13:53
WT-UdevSo for jaunty you'll have to make sure xserver-xorg-video-nv is installed (it should be by default I think) and then just tell it to use the 'nv' driver.13:54
Geforce88how do i just tell it ?13:54
rootusrWT-Udev, but the 173 driver works with jaunty13:54
WT-UdevSorry, no clue.  It's always autoprobed on my systems and to change it I modify the xorg.conf file by hand13:55
rootusrI though that one wouldn't support xorg 1.6 neither13:55
WT-Udevrootusr: yeah, but that one doesn't seem to support that far back13:55
WT-Udevrootusr: it kind of does, a little (enough) if you ignoreabi13:55
rootusrWT-Udev, i seriously don't have ignoreabi in my xorg.conf when i tried that13:56
WT-UdevWell I needed it at the time in mine!13:56
WT-Udevfor the nvidia-180 set13:57
rootusrhuh...13:57
rootusrWT-Udev, which card?13:58
WT-Udev20090224-05:36:31 < WT-Udev> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G [10de:0428] (rev a1)13:58
rootusri just realize how fxxed up nvidia's drivers are13:59
maxbYou used to need IgnoreABI. You don't since 180.22 I think?13:59
WT-UdevOk, experiment time13:59
Geforce88i'm so lost now14:00
rootusrWT-Udev, you shouldn't need if you use 180.2914:00
Geforce88i used git to dl and now i'm trying to find the man page to find out how to compile it14:01
WT-UdevGeforce88: you don't need to compile it... these should all be packages in the repositories14:01
rootusrGeforce88, what did you download?14:01
Geforce88this is the nv package ?14:02
Geforce88i'm not smart enough to figure this out. i'll just change cards14:02
Geforce88cd src14:02
Geforce88whoops14:02
WT-UdevGeforce88: the nv package should come with X14:03
WT-UdevIt should already be on your system14:03
Geforce88it is14:03
Geforce88this card is using it14:03
WT-Udev... what's wrong with it then?14:03
Geforce88 no 3d support like in 8.0414:03
Geforce88i wanted to try a different driver like before, so i wanted to know where the option to change the driver via a cute little gui was14:04
WT-UdevGeforce88: this is the problem you face.  The nvidia-71 driver does -not- support the new X-server protocol.  Therefore, you have no driver with 3d support for that card IN jaunty at this time.14:05
Geforce88rgr that14:05
WT-UdevNewer nvidia drivers do not support the anchient card.14:05
Geforce88i'll continue to play with it and wait on support :)14:05
WT-UdevNvidia won't give out the specs to write software for the anchient card.14:05
WT-UdevYou will either need to use 8.10 or earlier on that system, or a different 3d card in order to get 3d effects from that system.14:06
rootusrnvidia won't give out the specs for all their cards14:06
Geforce88according to one of the websites , the riva was reverse engineered to be supported14:06
Geforce88ok, thanks for all your help guys14:06
rootusrto be supported with 3d acceleration14:07
rootusr?14:07
mnemohow can I artificially injection a SEGV into a user space process for testing purposes??14:07
Geforce88so this one is not supportedi n 9.04 ? Version: 71.86.0614:07
rootusri mean nv does support a little bit 3d tho14:07
WT-Udevrootusr: it seems he's already using that and it isn't cutting it14:08
Geforce88it's the only reason i can think of is the video card for the graphics to be 'choppy' on a 2.5 dual core amd with 4 gigs ddr2 ram14:08
WT-UdevGeforce88: you can install it, but I don't believe the new xserver likes it.  You can try.14:08
rootusrand add the server flag as well14:09
WT-UdevWorst case it'll fall back to recovery mode drivers14:09
rootusrignoreabi14:09
WT-Udev#Section "ServerFlags"14:09
WT-Udev#       Option "IgnoreABI" "True"14:09
WT-Udev#EndSection14:09
WT-UdevLike that, but without the # in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file14:09
Geforce88what does ignoreabi do ?14:09
rootusrWT-Udev, so u did comment it out14:09
WT-Udevrootusr: I just tried it after you said it, 'experiment time'14:10
WT-UdevIt does work now.14:10
WT-UdevIt didn't upgrade from 8.10 cleanly14:10
rootusrGeforce88, ignore the new xorg server's abi14:10
rootusrWT-Udev, good to hear that14:10
Geforce88well, can't hurt to try it14:10
WT-UdevWill that old driver even work?  Well... Geforce88 might find out.14:10
rootusrit's in the repo14:11
WT-UdevYeah, but I don't know if anyone who runs alpha stuff bothers with systems that old.14:11
Geforce88lol, will i need to generate my own xorg.conf ?14:11
WT-UdevI do have a geforce2 system that might still boot14:11
WT-UdevGeforce88: no, but you will need to add that on to the auto-one14:11
Geforce88ahh, ok14:11
WT-UdevIf you don't know how to do that, it's questionable if Jaunty is the right thing for you to run at this moment.14:12
Geforce88at this point, it may be worth the time to just simply go get another 8500 or 8800, there cheap now.14:12
Geforce88i just don't have a pci-e slot on this board14:12
WT-UdevGeforce88: better for everyone involved if you file a bug report in case that driver can't work.14:13
Geforce88the 71.86.06 one ?14:14
WT-Udevit's packaged as nvidia-glx-71 etc14:15
WT-Udevnvidia-71-modaliases - Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver14:16
WT-Udevnvidia-71-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source14:16
WT-Udevnvidia-glx-71 - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver14:16
WT-Udevnvidia-glx-71-dev - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files14:16
Geforce88it's 71.86.08, think that last number will make a difference?14:18
rootusrno14:18
Geforce88btw, i love the firefox page where it opens to "welcome to ubuntu 8.10"14:19
Geforce88on 9.0414:19
Geforce88i thought i installed the wrong thing at first14:19
IenorandHia, got a bug (#329146) of mine that I'd like to see if I could dig some more in, would anyone have ideas what the next step would be? I'd guess atm that the bug lies in the libbrasero-media0 package somewhere...14:19
rootusrGeforce88, that will be fixed in beta release14:19
Geforce88doens't bother me. i just thought it was cute14:21
rootusrGeforce88, it's still in alpha, you can't ask it too much14:21
Geforce88rebooting and attempting to use the new driver pakage14:21
Geforce88meh, it really isn't a bother.14:21
rootusrjust a explanation14:22
Geforce88do you knw of a way to remote in to a system sitting at hte login screen ?14:22
Geforce88i hate having to hook it up to stuff to login in then to remove it again14:22
rootusrssh?14:23
rootusrwell, that's not graphical tho14:24
BUGabundogood after noon everyone!14:24
rootusrGeforce88, how's that driver?14:25
Geforce88i'm having to hook up a monitor and kb to log in14:26
Geforce88gonna be a minute or 314:26
Geforce88well the first thing i notice is the login screen is vaslty different14:28
Geforce88vastly*14:28
rootusru mean the dark gdm theme?14:28
Geforce88yes14:29
Geforce88i like it14:29
Geforce88attempting to enable 'normal' desktop effects14:29
Geforce88fail14:29
Geforce88ok, there is not a xorg.cong to edit.14:30
Geforce88conf*14:30
rootusrdid you add driver "nvidia" to the Device section in xorg.conf?14:31
WT-UdevO.o  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  what's that silly gnome sudo edit thing?14:31
Geforce88gedit14:31
rootusrnano14:31
Geforce88gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf14:31
Geforce88it's there but empty14:31
rootusrtry sudo nvidia-xconfig14:32
Geforce88not found14:32
Geforce88install ?14:32
rootusrtry14:33
Geforce88did a search and wasn't found14:33
WT-Udevsudo aptitude install nvidia-71-modaliases nvidia-71-kernel-source nvidia-glx-7114:33
rootusrthat driver may not have nvidia-xconfig14:34
Geforce88nvidia-settings maybe ?14:34
scizzo-why not use nvidia-settings14:34
scizzo-its the primary tool for the nvidia drivers14:34
WT-UdevPossibly, as long as it doesn't want to pull in anythign more than nvidia-common14:34
scizzo-Geforce88: did you really install the drivers from jockey before?14:35
scizzo-Geforce88: since that should allow you to enable the driver instantly...14:35
rootusrscizzo-, jockey won't show the legacy drivers14:35
scizzo-Geforce88: also....is this in jaunty or in intrepid?14:35
Geforce88jaunty14:36
scizzo-Geforce88: right...14:36
scizzo-Geforce88: I would try the nvidia-settings14:36
Geforce88it says " set to manually installed"14:36
Geforce88can i use dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?14:37
rootusrsure14:38
Geforce88will it break my system ?14:38
rootusrno14:38
baojiHello. Anyone else had kde font problems since upgrading?14:39
Geforce88ok, now i have a basic xorg.conf.14:39
BUGabundobaoji: HUGE fonts?14:41
Geforce88well, that broke it14:42
baojiBUGabundo: Unreadable fonts. As though only a fraction of the font is coming through. But only on KDE4 applications.14:43
BUGabundobaoji: no idea then14:43
BUGabundomaybe you need to purge the font cache14:44
BUGabundoor rebuild it14:44
BUGabundohumm14:44
BUGabundowhat was that fontconfig tool?14:44
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WT-UdevGeforce88: hum...14:44
baojiBUGabundo: okay, good thought. Let me see what fc-cache can do for me.14:45
Geforce88WT-Udev, i added the ignoreabi and restarted X14:45
Geforce88guess i shouldn't have doen it with out adding the driver section first14:45
WT-UdevAh in the driver area tell it to use nvidia14:46
WT-Udevnot nv14:46
BUGabundobaoji: im running it too14:46
BUGabundojust for the kicks14:46
BUGabundoeheh14:46
Geforce88ok, stupid question time, do i add nvidia to the "device" section ?14:47
BUGabundobaoji: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122402/ FYI14:47
Geforce88or do i make a new section ?14:47
BUGabundoGeforce88: no14:47
BUGabundorun nvdia-xconfig14:48
Geforce88i have three sections, device, monitor and screen14:48
WT-UdevBUGabundo: won't that not work well with the new server?  the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 did a major number on my xorg.conf14:48
BUGabundoworks for me14:48
BUGabundoWT-Udev: there was a time that needed to set the abi bump14:49
WT-UdevOh well, then lets have Geforce88 do it the easy way14:49
BUGabundobut that is now fixed14:49
BUGabundoif it fails, we file a bug14:50
BUGabundoeven jockey should handle that14:50
baojiBUGabundo: Let's see. It turned up two corrupted cache files. I shall try restarting X to see if that makes a difference...14:53
BUGabundonice14:54
BUGabundoglad we could fix that14:54
BUGabundoand thanks for the reminder of the command14:54
WT-UdevI wonder how Geforce88 is doing15:01
BUGabundoyeah15:03
BUGabundoits taking him too long15:03
BUGabundofor a simple X reboot15:03
Ienorandwoo, new spliffy login screen15:12
cwilluBUGabundo, did you get that message about debian's uswsusp package working fine (aside from there being no usplash)?15:13
BUGabundocwillu: haven't checked bugmail15:13
cwilluit was in here :p15:13
BUGabundotoo tired15:13
BUGabundoeheh15:13
* BUGabundo takes a quick look at mail15:13
BUGabundoeheh kmail was still in offline mode! LOL15:14
BUGabundopulling mail now15:14
cwilluas I said, sent that message in here, not on launchpad http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/uswsusp/download15:14
cwillu(link to said package)15:15
BUGabundoahhh15:15
BUGabundothen I did not get that message15:15
BUGabundoLOL15:15
cwillusomething's screwy in our package, the build ends up littering X's all over in the makefile, something about sed acting differently and not cutting them off like it looks like it's supposed to15:16
cwilluthe build completes (at least, once the usplash_open(mode) line is fixed to read usplash_open()), but it doesn't actually make any files15:16
BUGabundoxee15:17
BUGabundoso the actual bug is sed?15:17
cwilluno idea, as they managed to build it15:17
cwilluthe source package is doing something differently, and sed is implicated15:18
cwillubut the actual bug is the usplash_open() line15:18
* cwillu huggles his working s2both15:24
BUGabundogreat15:25
BUGabundoI miss it a lot15:25
DaSkreechHello15:25
DaSkreechI'm having a little issue with the daily CD15:25
DaSkreechIt never seems to match up with the MD5SUM provided15:26
DaSkreechIs that a problem?15:26
BUGabundoyes15:28
BUGabundoit should match15:28
BUGabundoI don't have the BW to download it now, but it should match15:28
charlie-tcaI matched all of them today15:28
BUGabundoit always does15:28
BUGabundoif it fail for you, either you have a bad downlioad manager15:28
BUGabundoOR there is a serious bug15:28
BUGabundomy rsync script always checks it, and it matchs all the time15:29
BUGabundounless I get a bad donwload15:29
BUGabundowhich happens from time to time15:29
WT-UdevIt could also be a hardware or media issue.  DaSkreech Are you trying to burn the over-sized image to a CD?15:29
BUGabundohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync15:29
BUGabundohere my old script15:29
BUGabundoWT-Udev: that too15:30
WT-UdevOr is it bad on your hard drive?15:30
BUGabundobut I said ...15:30
BUGabundooh didn't say image...15:30
BUGabundojust CD15:30
DaSkreechI haven't started burning15:30
DaSkreechI just download it and check the MD5SUM15:30
WT-UdevOdd... it should match if everything is correct15:30
DaSkreechYeah I guessed that :)15:30
WT-UdevIt's too bad that par2 files aren't provided15:30
BUGabundoDaSkreech:15:31
WT-Udevare you sure the whole thing transfred?15:31
BUGabundouse my rsync script to try again15:31
DaSkreechI'm guessing15:31
WT-Udev*transfered15:31
DaSkreechwget -c15:31
BUGabundoit should complete the bad bits15:31
BUGabundoor wget -c15:31
BUGabundoalthough I have seen it just append data...15:31
cwilluor hell, download the torrent file and resume it :p15:31
DaSkreechGrr15:31
BUGabundoor that15:32
WT-Udevcwillu: That would work well, but he's doing a daily CD right?15:32
BUGabundowe have WAY too many ways to get it15:32
WT-UdevDo those have torrents?15:32
BUGabundoWT-Udev: there are BT for dailies too15:32
DaSkreechI was just of the opinion that a daily torrent file would not be that useful as I can't imagine that many people seeding it15:32
BUGabundojust not too many sources15:32
cwillummmm, there's probably torrents, but probably not many/any seeders15:32
BUGabundojust MAIN15:32
WT-UdevDaSkreech: oh it's very useful15:32
WT-UdevIf you have one or two bad parts for some reason15:32
* BUGabundo checks the bt site15:32
DaSkreechMAIN has crazy number of seeders15:32
DaSkreechWT-Udev: I know normally i prefer BT just because of the auto check it does for completeness15:33
BUGabundohttp://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/15:33
WT-UdevYeah15:33
BUGabundoI just use rsync15:33
BUGabundosince I get the iso weekly15:33
BUGabundoactuall I get many isos15:33
WT-UdevDoes rsync do it in binary?15:33
WT-Udevthat is, binary deltas and such?15:34
BUGabundo32 & 64, cd & dvd, ubuntu, kubuntu and mobile15:34
BUGabundoWT-Udev: check my previous link15:34
BUGabundolet me paste bin all my scripts15:34
DaSkreechWT-Udev: Yeah doing a checksum on that many is smart :)15:34
BUGabundodoes pastebinit concatenate multi files?15:34
DaSkreechno but cat does15:35
DaSkreechcat file file2 foo foo1 | pastebinit15:35
BUGabundo$ cat rsync* | pastebinit -i -15:35
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/122426/15:35
BUGabundoDaSkreech: yeah I tried that15:35
BUGabundoLOL15:35
DaSkreechUNIX tools working 50 years after thought up ftw15:35
DaSkreechgreat philosophy :)15:36
BUGabundoyep15:36
BUGabundothat are a bunch of scripts15:36
BUGabundoI just use to get daily and release images15:37
mnemotoo bad the UI apps dont to it as well, would be awesome to be able to pipe stuff into gedit etc15:37
BUGabundoalthough torrents would be nice too15:37
BUGabundogotta look at it someday15:37
DaSkreechmnemo: You can't?15:37
BUGabundosure he can15:37
BUGabundocat FOO > /tmp/foo.txt ; gedit /tmp/foo.txt15:37
DaSkreechthat's what I was thinking15:37
DaSkreechI was going with dbus :)15:38
DaSkreechBut that works15:38
BUGabundoor that15:38
mnemo"ls -al | gedit" would be nice and clean15:38
mnemoits not like gedit is using stdin for something else anyway15:38
DaSkreechWindows still has the slickest pipe15:38
mnemoheh15:38
DaSkreechpowershell is really cool15:38
mnemonever tried it15:39
DaSkreechbut destined to be rewritten in 15 years and break everything15:39
DaSkreechYou can pipe stuff into and out of GUI apps15:39
DaSkreech(All MS of course)15:39
DaSkreechBut you can do a ls -l listing and pipe it into Excel15:39
mnemopowershell isnt installed by default on _all_ systems either15:39
DaSkreechWith good reason15:39
mnemoi mean I dont use bash because its good, I use it because I can trust everyone has it15:40
DaSkreechExcel will open up with the columns in columns15:40
mnemonice15:40
DaSkreechIf you do a live listing the Excel doc will update live to  show you what's changing on the file system15:40
DaSkreechYou can then save the data and pipe that out to something else15:40
DaSkreechreally slick15:40
DaSkreechbound to get broken15:40
DaSkreechAh well they can sell you a new powershell and excel and a tool to convert your scripts when that happens15:41
IenorandI'm looking for a changelog for libbrasero-media0 package (specifically version 0_0.9.1-0ubuntu3 to 0_2.25.90-0ubuntu1), anyone know where to find?15:42
DoYouKnowI think someone said something on this... but... why is it that the current builds of jaunty are missing a shutdown option from the System menu?15:42
DoYouKnowin ubuntu (gnome)15:43
mnemoIenorand: try "aptitude changelog brasero" ?15:43
BUGabundoIenorand: LP?15:43
BUGabundoDoYouKnow: are they?15:43
BUGabundomy system has it15:43
BUGabundobut its an old system15:43
mnemomy jaunty is updated and its missing shutdown in system15:44
BUGabundofrom where?15:44
BUGabundoahhhhhhh the system menu15:44
BUGabundonever use it15:44
DoYouKnowin System on the top-left menu bar15:44
mnemoi never use it as well, I just noticed now because you said it15:44
BUGabundoI just press my power button or use the FUSA applet15:44
BUGabundoI don't even have a full menu15:45
BUGabundojust an icon for it15:45
DoYouKnowah15:45
DoYouKnowI thought I read that the power button on the upper right replaces it15:45
DoYouKnowbut I'm not 100% sure15:45
DoYouKnownot sure where I read that15:45
DoYouKnowbut then I thought I read on here that someone said they messed up the shutdown menu15:46
charlie-tcaDoYouKnow: I thought they did that on purpose to cut down confusion. The two buttons never had the layout15:50
DoYouKnowcharlie-tca: ok15:55
DoYouKnowit seems like a good idea, as long as you don't have any stuff running like compiz in your upper right hand corner that will zoom back to a display of desktops or something15:55
DoYouKnowas you move the mouse up there]15:56
IenorandDoYouKnow: I have no shutdown either in that menu, don't know if there's supposed to be, they seemed to remove the shotdown one along with the introduction of FUSA and then the logout one's gone as well apparently.15:56
charlie-tcaWell, that is where all the new notifications come out, too.15:56
DoYouKnowyeah, I like those15:57
DoYouKnowthe graphics for them is pretty neat15:57
DoYouKnow*are15:57
IenorandBy the way, anyone here experiencing bug 329146 ?15:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 329146 in nautilus "nautilus unable to start on login" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32914615:58
BUGabundocharlie-tca: ROLF16:02
BUGabundoare we going to open bug against ALL UI changes now?!16:02
BUGabundoehehehehehehe16:02
BUGabundook I sick of this16:02
BUGabundoI'm emailing the DX and desktop team16:02
BUGabundoWE users and testrs can be kept on the dark!16:03
BUGabundowe deserve to be notified of this changes BEFORE they happen16:03
DrHalan1is indicator only able to show one notifcation at a time?16:03
cwilluno, they'll just stack up16:04
BUGabundoboth wrong16:04
BUGabundoit will ONLY show ONE for each type16:04
BUGabundoand stack up to 3 diff queues16:04
BUGabundoand the queue is limited to 1000 events16:04
BUGabundoand shows 1st the higher importance16:05
BUGabundohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD16:05
BUGabundohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines16:05
charlie-tcaBUGabundo: I am not filing bugs on all these changes.16:05
BUGabundoI know16:06
charlie-tcaSuggestion:  Use Xubuntu if you want both shutdown buttons.16:06
BUGabundojust kidding about all this16:06
charlie-tca:-)16:06
BUGabundotoo many changes... no input16:06
BUGabundojust *reaction*16:06
BUGabundono community feedback before changes16:06
charlie-tcaagreed. Least they could do is tell us16:07
charlie-tcadiscovery is not a fun thing, in Jaunty.16:07
BUGabundoprovides bugs like bug 33294516:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332945 in update-notifier "[Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33294516:07
charlie-tcaWhich is still going, even though it is marked invalid!16:07
BUGabundosee https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027338.html16:08
BUGabundoGot zero replies16:08
DaSkreechBUGabundo: Relax16:08
DaSkreechThe next release will bring karma :)16:08
BUGabundogot some replies from dtchen on -discuss https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-February/006843.html16:09
BUGabundobut I'll email them a 3rd time16:09
* BUGabundo xee I look like a zealot :(16:09
BUGabundowe should interact... instead we (users) get kicked into a corner and experimented on16:10
BUGabundoI have no prob on testdriving new stuff16:10
BUGabundoI like it, and im glad me/we can help improve FOSS in general (not only Canonical) products16:11
charlie-tcaI been following the ubuntu-devel-discuss one.16:11
BUGabundobut doing it blind is stupid16:11
BUGabundocharlie-tca: following what? its in dead water16:11
DaSkreechWell they did announce they were going to do it16:11
BUGabundojust the other day I was discussing this with asac16:11
charlie-tcaYou had, what, three replies from them on it?16:11
BUGabundoand he said he does not see a reason to list all upstream changes!16:12
BUGabundobut godam... WE don't know what they are, even if devs do16:12
charlie-tcaDaSkreech: exactly, but announcing they will and actually doing it are not the same.16:12
BUGabundoDaSkreech: I pretty glad about meeting resumes16:12
charlie-tcaStock answer:  It was discussed and decided at UDS16:12
BUGabundothat's great help16:12
BUGabundobut i wonder how many of us here are on -devel and read those16:13
BUGabundosure... make a UDS on every countrie16:13
BUGabundoDUH16:13
charlie-tcaI don't subscribe to -devel. It didn't seem necessary to me.16:13
BUGabundoeven my neibour spain aint easy for me to attend16:13
charlie-tcaI know.16:13
BUGabundocharlie-tca: I'm on all list16:14
BUGabundook not all16:14
BUGabundojust a bunch16:14
DaSkreechBUGabundo: you were at TokamakII ?16:14
BUGabundonot in motu , X, bt, etc16:14
BUGabundobut on many other, sure16:14
BUGabundoDaSkreech: I helped co-organising it, yes16:14
DaSkreechNice Thanks :)16:14
BUGabundowhere you here?16:14
BUGabundodon't remember the nick!16:15
* BUGabundo has lousy memory16:15
DaSkreechBy RSs proxy yes :)16:16
BUGabundoahh ok16:17
DaSkreechI share your sentiments completely with X16:20
c_kornhas someone jaunty installed in virtualbox?16:21
DaSkreechoooh virtualbox why didn't I think of that?16:22
c_kornok, DaSkreech did not think of that. but has actually someone installed it in virtualbox?16:22
DaSkreechThat I don't know16:23
c_kornbecause I only get a black screen16:23
popeyi have jaunty in a vbox16:24
popeynot updated it for a few weeks16:24
popeybut it works16:24
c_kornpopey: the issue only appears for some days16:25
popeydo you have the virtualbox additions installed on the guest?16:25
c_kornit may have something todo with encryption16:25
BUGabundopopey: what is the use case to have a devel version NOT updated?16:25
popeyBUGabundo: when you dont have time16:25
DaSkreechBUGabundo: Network issues?16:26
popeythe host is jaunty too16:26
c_kornpopey: I do not get this far. it is just black16:26
popeyc_korn: from a live cd?16:26
popeys/cd/iso/16:26
DaSkreechc_korn: disc encryption ?16:26
c_kornyeah16:26
charlie-tcac_korn: I test in VirtualBox. It is working for me today.16:27
c_kornthis is all I get: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/10115/bildschirmfoto_BecU8H.png16:27
charlie-tcadisc encryption has issues even in hardware right now16:27
DrHalan1BUGabundo: but the mockup showed several notifcations at once :(16:28
DaSkreechDrHalan1: a) mockup b) possibly different channels16:29
DrHalan1hm alright16:29
c_korncharlie-tca: so you think it is encryption related? should I file a bug about that?16:31
BUGabundocharlie-tca: is that the same as the udev bug?16:32
charlie-tcano, they have been16:34
popeyeek - new gdm theme16:34
charlie-tcaI don't think so, BUGabundo16:34
c_korneven in this recovery mode I do not get any more output16:36
charlie-tcahome drive encrypted or LVM?16:37
c_kornshould I file a bug?16:37
c_korncharlie-tca: LVM16:37
charlie-tcaThe bug is on file and in work. We are hoping it is fixed before alpha5 releases16:38
c_korn100MB unencrypted boot partition. 8.5gig encrypted partition with 1GB swap LV 7GB root LV and 500MB home LV16:39
WT-Udevc_korn: Are those all within one lvm PV or do you have multiple pvs?16:39
charlie-tcaYep, already been filed16:39
* c_korn has to look up PV16:40
c_kornWT-Udev: I am not sure what you mean. I have one encrypted volume. in there I created a logical group and in that group I created three partitions for home,swap and root16:41
DaSkreechc_korn: one PV then16:44
WT-Udevc_korn: LVM has three types of containers.   PVs are block devices that have been marked as physical devices.  PVs can contain 0 or more VGs (volume groups) which can then contain a number of LVs or Logical Volumes.16:44
WT-UdevTypically you'd make one PV per drive and then use one or more VGs within it or between it and other drives in a kind of JBOD setup16:45
DoYouKnowredirection operators and dd work on block devices?16:45
DoYouKnowI forget16:45
c_kornah,ok16:46
DoYouKnow> /dev/blockdevice... or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/blockdevice ?16:46
c_kornwhere is the bug report for that? I want to subscribe16:46
WT-UdevDoYouKnow: Technically yes, anything that can be treated like a file16:46
DaSkreechc_korn: PV = partition essentially16:46
DoYouKnowok16:46
WT-Udevc_korn: bug 332270 ?16:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332270 in udev "udev repeatedly generates "change" events for the same block device(s)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33227016:46
c_kornthis is marked as fix released? why do I still get the bug in the daily (from today)16:48
c_korn(I use the alternate-i386 current daily I forgot to say)16:49
WT-Udevc_korn: if you still get the bug, read all the posts in that bug report, comment if you have anything to add.   A working reproducable test case would be good.16:49
profanephobiawhat version of gnome will 9.04 be using?16:55
gandican I get help with nightly jaunty installation from today? Installation crashes during clock setup near the end16:56
IntuitiveNipplec_korn: I don't think the updated package (udev 138-2) will have made it onto last night's daily. Check the version installed.16:57
c_kornIntuitiveNipple: 5bccfb655622b112eec6cbb00c3973b9  ./pool/main/u/udev/udev_138-1_i386.deb16:58
c_kornindeed, thank you. I will wait for the new daily then16:58
gandi  File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 412, in run17:00
gandi    self.configure_timezone()17:00
gandi  File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 1262, in configure_timezone17:00
gandi    raise InstallStepError("ClockSetup failed with code %d" % ret)17:00
gandiInstallStepError: ClockSetup failed with code 217:00
charlie-tcagandi: I got the same failure. I don't know if it has been reported yet17:03
gandidid you figure out how to workaround it? :/17:03
DaSkreechHmm ok17:03
charlie-tcanot yet17:04
DaSkreechwget -c stops at 99%17:04
DaSkreechThat might explain a lot17:05
charlie-tcagandi: should be fixed tomorrow17:06
charlie-tcarather, in tomorrows images17:07
gandidamn :/17:09
hanasakiw32codecs <= is this avialable yet in juanty? 32bit? 64bit?17:32
nemohuh. I thought the ubuntu-restricted-extras meta pulled in w32codecs.17:33
nemodidn't even think to look17:33
* nemo fires up his jaunty laptop17:33
hanasakiwhy is that?17:34
cwillu!info w32codecs17:34
ubottuPackage w32codecs does not exist in jaunty17:34
nemoaww17:34
cwilluweird, I have it17:34
nemo!info ghc17:35
ubottuPackage ghc does not exist in jaunty17:35
nemolliar17:35
nemoubottu must not be up to date17:35
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:35
DaSkreech!info ubuntu-desktop17:35
ubottuubuntu-desktop (source: ubuntu-meta): The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.137 (jaunty), package size 28 kB, installed size 56 kB17:35
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nemowhen I first updated to jaunty I got all panicky that ghc and fpc and whatnot weren't in it17:37
nemobut. it was just that the update procedure didn't automatically pick up latest jaunty. apparently I had to refresh repos.17:37
nemodoesn't even automatically do it after the reboot oddly17:37
DaSkreech!info ghc17:38
ubottuPackage ghc does not exist in jaunty17:38
DaSkreech!info ghc intrepid17:38
ubottuPackage ghc does not exist in intrepid17:38
nemohm. w32codecs is *not* in ubuntu-restricted-extras17:38
nemogo figure17:38
nemoalso don't see the package at all17:39
nemoand I have multiverse and restricted enabled17:39
nemooh well. my main concern right now with Jaunty is the broken broken libqt 4.5...17:39
HanaPhonethanks folks17:42
nemo!info fpc17:46
HanaPhonehttp://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/w32codecs.html17:46
ubottufpc (source: fpc): Free Pascal Compiler - Meta Package. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.2-8 (jaunty), package size 10 kB, installed size 40 kB17:46
nemohmmm17:46
nemomaybe I got the package name wrong for ghc?17:46
nemooh. no17:46
nemosilly me. I didn't install ghc on the jaunty machine :)17:47
HanaPhoneArchitecture Version Package size Installed Size MD5Sum   i386 20071007-0medibuntu4 14285000 B 33216 kB ea8b5a7155a0a57dc940bfea2999f35d   lpia17:47
nemoHanaPhone: ah. I'll have to add back medibuntu17:47
HanaPhonehuh?17:47
HanaPhonehmm but not 64bit anyways17:47
BUGabundocharlie-tca: finally the team meeting ended!17:48
BUGabundolots of talk about UM17:48
HanaPhoneum?17:48
charlie-tcaBut will they inform us of changes?17:48
BUGabundodunno17:48
BUGabundowasn't there17:48
BUGabundojust got online17:48
BUGabundowe shall receive an email about it17:48
BUGabundoand there the log of the meeting17:48
DaSkreechwhat's UM ?17:49
BUGabundohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/17:49
BUGabundoUpdate Manager17:49
DaSkreechOh Ubuntu Mobile17:49
DaSkreechdamn it17:49
BUGabundoDUH17:49
BUGabundono17:49
DaSkreech:)17:49
DaSkreechand notifications?17:49
BUGabundono idea17:50
DaSkreechok17:50
BUGabundogona check the logs now17:50
BUGabundohttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html17:51
BUGabundohttp://identi.ca/notice/246543917:52
nemohm. I think I'll move my Jaunty laptop to ext417:54
BUGabundo"sabdfli think the majority of TB discussions could be public, which lends support to the idea that tb@ be public"17:54
BUGabundosomeone should let Mr Mark know that all Ubuntu decisions should be made public17:54
BUGabundoor else this is not a community project but a Canonical!17:55
DaSkreechbut not all canonical ones17:55
DaSkreechand far as I know the desktop notifications are a canonical project17:55
* BUGabundo reminds earing from Mark's mouth that Canonical wish(ed) to just be 10% of Ubuntu opposed to the current 80%17:55
nemohm. a new gdm theme.17:56
nemoand, is dark. I wonder if the default jaunty theme will go dark.17:56
nemothat might have useability issues, unfortunately. so many stupid UIs out there.17:56
vigoIf or when I install Jaunty on HD2, slave, will it interfere or conflict with the stable 8.04.2 I have on HDD Master?17:56
DaSkreechhaven't they said that for 4 releases of Ubuntu?17:56
nemoat the very least, might need overrides in the browser - I've run into some really dumb sites17:57
nemolike. ones that will literally use color: windowText without using background-color: window;17:57
nemoSAP forums do that foolishiness17:57
nemofoolishness17:58
BUGabundovigo: NO. just install ONE grub18:00
BUGabundoyou will have to use the advance option on the last installer step18:00
vigoThank you, I will do more research on that. Or leave the GRUB alone and do not install the one from Jaunty?18:01
vigoLike a dual boot setup so I can test it with the Win2k that is on 10g of HDD2.slave. I think?18:03
BUGabundovigo: no no18:03
vigoOh ok18:03
BUGabundoubuntu WILL install a new grub18:03
BUGabundoand that may mess your system18:03
vigoAhhhh18:03
BUGabundodepending where it installs it18:03
BUGabundoso you need to SET that option18:03
BUGabundoto use a common GRUB from SDA18:03
vigoThat is making sense.18:04
vigoI thank you kindly.18:05
BUGabundovigo: since you are at it18:05
vigoYes?18:05
BUGabundocan you please debug something for me?18:05
vigoPossibly18:05
ronnyhelp - pulseaudio tells red-written lies18:05
BUGabundoI need to check if BOTH system get a kernel update (abi bump)18:05
ronnypulseaudio claims linux has bugs if one sends sigint, waits, then sends sigcont18:05
BUGabundoone of the GRUBs detects it correctly18:06
cwilluronny, link?18:06
BUGabundoronny: either ask on #pulseaudio or dtchen or themuso (on #ubuntu-devel)18:06
BUGabundovigo: do you think you can do that?18:07
BUGabundoa new kernel is do to ibex in a few weeks18:07
BUGabundoand jaunty is having one each week18:07
nemoodd. I installed ubuntu studio themeing, just to see if it looked any different.18:07
vigoOk, So I follow the graphical installer, use the advance option, reboot and shoot18:07
BUGabundothere are reports that GRUB gets out of sinc18:07
nemoin Appearance Preferences->Theme, I selected Ubuntu Studio, it applied.  I closed.  When I open preferences again, it says I'm using a "Custom" theme that just happens to be identical to ubuntu studio18:07
ronnycwillu: what link?18:07
nemois this new theme behaviour?18:07
nemoalways make a custom theme?18:08
BUGabundothat should do it to install it with only one grub, yes vigo18:08
BUGabundomvo_ ping18:08
cwilluronny, "pulseaudio claims linux has bugs if one sends sigint, waits, then sends sigcont"18:09
vigoOK.downloading now, will install and check back in after install18:09
vigoThank You18:09
BUGabundomvo did that discussion the other day leave to something about UM and ubuntu-desktop ?18:09
BUGabundoI had to leave on the hurry mvo18:09
BUGabundohumm thinking about vigo idea: does anyone here ever installed ubuntu with LUBI? ubuntu inside ubuntu ?18:10
BUGabundomvo_ are you here?18:10
ronnycwillu: i just found that by accident when running it myself18:11
ronnyctrl+z makes an sigint18:11
ronnybg makes a sigcont18:11
ronnythe red output is extra fun18:11
cwilluI know there's been issues there, don't know of anything in particular though18:11
cwilluit sounded like you were referring to something documented or something18:12
cwillumind you, if you're talking about ctrl-z, I think you mean sigstop, not sigint18:13
cwilluctrl-c is sigint18:13
cwilluronny, you don't mean "...returned a vlue that is exceptionally large.  Most likely this is a linux bug." do you?18:17
ronnyyup18:17
ronnyits a nice little special case that doesnt actually hurt, but makes fun messages18:18
cwilluthat's not a bug, it's merely a check for sane values that noticed that a weird amount of time had passed (because you stopped it)18:18
cwilluif that happened in normal operation, it'd be a bug18:18
sadamwith the latest jaunty, after logging in with gdm the desktop is displayed, but gnome-panel and metacity/nautilus don't appear to have been launched18:24
sadamthere doesn't seem to be anything related in .xsession-errors and the behavior is replicable with a new user18:24
sadamhas anyone seen this behavior?18:25
idorock89shouldnt rythmbox notifications have the album cover as picture instead of rythmbox icon?18:42
BUGabundoidorock89: not that I use RB but that would be great18:43
BUGabundofile a bug and tag it with "notifications"18:43
DasKreechPlease tell me there is a way to highlight windows asking for attention19:17
Sa[i]nTHow long we looking at before JJ comes out?19:17
BUGabundoSa[i]nT: april19:17
BUGabundo !release19:18
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases19:18
DasKreech!jaunty19:18
ubottuJaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.19:18
BUGabundoDasKreech:  release has more info19:18
Sa[i]nTI wonder what all is going to be different.19:18
BUGabundoDasKreech: how about not setting the unfocus flag?19:18
DasKreechBUGabundo: yes but !jaunty more directly answers his question19:18
DasKreechBUGabundo: Hmm ?19:19
DasKreechSa[i]nT: read the release notes19:19
BUGabundoSa[i]nT: see techinal overview and release note, or test a daily image (on CD or liveusb)19:19
BUGabundodamn... now you were faster19:19
DasKreechwhich unfocus flag?19:19
BUGabundoeheh19:19
Sa[i]nTI'm looking right now.19:19
BUGabundohumm let me get my old session to get the link19:19
DasKreechBUGabundo: Before you do what does it do ?19:19
BUGabundoah??19:20
BUGabundothe focus?19:20
BUGabundoit sets the window behind or in front19:20
DasKreechhow?19:20
DasKreechShortcut key?19:21
BUGabundodunno19:21
DasKreechoh19:21
BUGabundoI just read it19:21
DasKreechyou mean when it asks for attention it just jumps to the front ?19:21
BUGabundoDasKreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines19:23
BUGabundoNormal window19:23
BUGabundoWhen a notification is not time-critical, and there is a relevant window to display it in, present the notification as a banner or other text in that window. Depending on its importance, you can have the window request attention. And if the window is not currently open, you can open it automatically, in the background to minimize accidental clicks. (The window manager uses heuristics to guess whether a new window should open in the background, but you 19:23
BUGabundohttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWindow.html#GtkWindow--focus-on-map19:23
DasKreechThat's for Metacity or COmpiz?19:23
DasKreech cause Ubuntu has compiz by default doesn't it?19:24
* BUGabundo wonders why me gets such a complicated question19:24
BUGabundoDasKreech: known bug19:24
BUGabundoits on LP19:24
BUGabundoand devs are looking at it19:24
BUGabundowhere did I read that?19:24
BUGabundoit was just today I think19:25
DasKreech:-)19:25
BUGabundoahh ML on devel-discuss19:25
BUGabundoI think19:25
* BUGabundo looks at archive19:25
BUGabundohmm can't find the bug19:27
* BUGabundo never give up, and you will reach it19:28
* DasKreech laughs19:28
BUGabundoDasKreech: bug 33328419:28
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/333284/+text)19:28
* DasKreech kicks ubottu19:28
BUGabundolaugh at will.... but I got it19:28
BUGabundoDasKreech: bug 33328419:28
DasKreechok19:28
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/333284/+text)19:29
* charlie-tca thinks, kick it again!19:29
DasKreechLp is down?19:30
BUGabundonop19:30
DasKreechI can't get to it19:30
BUGabundoI got that link to open19:30
charlie-tcaomg, it opened as a text file19:30
BUGabundobut it could be on cache19:30
BUGabundoROFL19:30
BUGabundoremove the end part19:30
BUGabundoDUH19:30
BUGabundothat's what the bot reads19:30
BUGabundonot what WE humans want19:30
charlie-tcaI see that. Thanks. It did open19:31
Lenin_Catdo the ATI binary drivers work with jaunty yet?19:40
maxbdoubtful. I don't recall seeing a new version in a long time19:41
Lenin_Catmaxb, what verison of Xorg is 9.0419:44
maxbLenin_Cat: There's a wonderful tool called rmadison in the devscripts package which enables you to find out these things :-)19:44
maxbThere's also http://packages.ubuntu.com19:45
maxbxserver-xorg-core |          2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu7 |          jaunty | amd64, i38619:46
DasKreechmaxb: Doesn't that change through the releases' lifetime19:46
maxb(ftr)19:46
maxbDasKreech: doesn't what change?19:46
PiciTheres also http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=ubuntu+madison19:46
DasKreechBefore a release can't the version of the packages change?19:47
Lenin_Cathttp://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/x11/xorg19:47
Lenin_Catxorg is verison 7.419:47
DasKreechso knowing what it is now doesn't mean that's what it iwll be when it ships19:47
Lenin_Cataccording to ATI's PDF19:47
Lenin_Catit supports 7.419:47
Lenin_Catwith the latest drivers19:47
Lenin_Catlet me try it19:47
Lenin_Catrebooting19:47
maxbhttp://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/fglrx-installer_8.573-0ubuntu4/changelog19:48
maxb    - This release still does *not* meet the Xorg server 1.6 ABI.19:48
maxbDasKreech: Well, of course versions could change, otherwise no development would happen ever :-)19:49
* DasKreech hates Xorg19:49
DasKreechmaxb: Ok Unless I was mistaking his question he was asking what version it would be on Shipdate not what it is now19:49
IntuitiveNippleNow we're into feature freeze upstream versions are unlikely to change,19:50
Alexia_DeathDasKreech: xserver 1.6, Xorg 7.5 most likely19:50
Alexia_DeathIntuitiveNipple: 1.5.99 is RC of 1.619:51
BUGabundobrb19:52
DasKreechIntuitiveNipple: interesting nick19:54
IntuitiveNippleIs there a way to get sed to stop processing after the first match?19:54
DasKreechyes19:55
maxbsure, just write the sed scriptlet in that way19:55
maxbcan't really give an example without knowing what the match is being used to do, though19:56
IntuitiveNippleThe aim is to have sed stop processing the file once it finds the first match... been looking at branches but they don't work for this.19:56
aviswhats the release date of jaunty alpha 5 ?19:59
BUGabundoavis: ! releases19:59
BUGabundo !releases19:59
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases19:59
avisty19:59
BUGabundo !alpha20:00
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about alpha20:00
BUGabundo !alpha520:00
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about alpha520:00
BUGabundo !milestones20:00
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about milestones20:00
IntuitiveNippleavis: April 23rd20:00
avisFeb 26, is what the chart says, for alpha 5.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule20:01
IntuitiveNippleoh sorry... I misread ... Thursday is A520:02
IntuitiveNippleI thought you asked about *the* release :)20:02
Pici!schedule20:02
ubottuA schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule20:02
BUGabundoahhh Pici that was the one20:04
Sa[i]nText4? Is that what I just read?20:06
Sa[i]nTwooo, I wonder.20:06
DasKreechSa[i]nT: not by default20:06
Sa[i]nTIt does'nt say much about it.20:07
BUGabundojust a sec20:09
* BUGabundo looks at bookmark cace20:09
BUGabundonot here sorry20:09
BUGabundogoogle it20:09
Sa[i]nTI would like it to atleast tell me what ext4 changes.20:09
BUGabundogoogle it20:10
DasKreechSa[i]nT: If you don't know you probably shouldn't be playing with ext4 :) But look at kernelnewbie.org20:12
DasKreechGood site for Kernel info explained easily20:12
Sa[i]nTIt has a wiki page.20:13
Sa[i]nTHoly.. The ext4 filesystem can support volumes with sizes up to 1 exabyte[6] and files with sizes up to 16 terabytes.20:13
TuTUXGaltho that means nothing for desktop users20:14
Sa[i]nTWell..20:15
Sa[i]nT1024terras could be useful for large servers, if the machine can handle it. Could save some money.20:16
macothere's also data-loss dangers20:16
macoso i dont think servers will be switching to it too soon20:16
Sa[i]nTWell, it -could- be useful. But your right, people won't use it to it's potential.20:17
DasKreechSa[i]nT: It would be a problem if people could20:17
macoif your system locks or the power goes out on a desktop etc...if its not shut down properly, ext4 could lose a lot of data, while ext3 can recover better20:17
IntuitiveNippleCan't get this sed quit to work - very annoying20:17
DasKreechYou want to use a File system to it's potential run FAT1620:17
DasKreechSee how fun that is20:17
BUGabundomaco do you know that for sure?20:17
BUGabundoext4 has at least the same abilities of ext3 for file repair / log redo20:18
Sa[i]nThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext420:18
Sa[i]nTI think you should read on that.20:18
Sa[i]nTI can't wait.20:18
BUGabundo*possible* data loss is only marginal known on another context20:18
BUGabundoand that is when kernel buffer outrun20:18
macoBUGabundo: its a timing issue20:18
Sa[i]nT64,000 subdirs.20:19
Sa[i]nTFinally, a defragmenter.20:19
macoBUGabundo: if it hasnt hit the journal, it cant be recovered, simple enough. ext3 is sending things to the journal more often than ext4 is, so its possible your data hasnt hit the journal yet and will go *poof* with ext4. unless that bug's been fixed in the last few weeks...20:20
macoBUGabundo: of course if it reaches they journal, they're equal20:20
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DasKreechYou can defragment ext220:20
Sa[i]nTExt4 has an online defragmenter. Even with the various techniques used to avoid it, a long lived file system does tend to become fragmented over time. Ext4 will have a tool which can defragment individual files or entire file systems.20:21
TuTUXG"will"20:21
remuHey folks, I'm considering replacing my install of Intrepid with Jaunty, and I am running on a livecd right now of Jaunty. My sound works, however, the volume keys on my keyboard change the master channel, I need it to effect the PCM channel. I have the applet set to control the PCM channel, but I also need the media keys to do so.20:22
macoremu: system -> preferences -> sound (i think that still exists) should let you set that20:22
remuUnder Intrepid I was able to do this by going to System>Preferences>Sound and then clicking on PCM at the bottom. However, it is a different window under Jaunty.20:22
remumaco, it still does exist, but it looks completely different from Intrepid20:22
Sa[i]nTI would not suggest upgrading so soon.20:23
macoremu: lemme log into gnome...20:23
remumaco, thanks.20:23
remuSa[i]nT, too many show stoppers or something?20:23
Sa[i]nTWell, the bug list is pretty long.20:24
Sa[i]nTTho, I wanna use that new ext4.20:24
remuSa[i]nt, well, I'm planning on running off of the liveCd for a bit, to see if I encounter any major problems using it the way I normally do, and if I don't, then I'm gonna go and install it.20:24
remuYeah, thats my reasoning too, lol.20:25
TuTUXGthe installer on daily_built livecd is fixed?20:25
Sa[i]nTI've known liveCD's that show you something, then when you full install, the X server does'nt work, or some crazy shit happens.20:25
BUGabundoDasKreech: I used to defrag my old laptop on ext320:25
Sa[i]nTHow do you defrag? did I miss that memo?20:26
remuSa[i]nt, well, in the event that that happens, I will be forced to go back to Intrepid. I dunno, I've been wanting to get on this for a while now, and the Beta, seems to far to wait for, let alone the RC or the Final release20:26
TuTUXGdefrag an ext3 volume can be danger20:26
DasKreechBUGabundo: ext3 is functionally the same as ext2 with journalling20:27
DasKreechOooh defrag a  file20:27
DasKreechI like that20:27
Sa[i]nText4 might be what we're waiting for. On the whole it should be faster.20:28
macoremu: >< i only see "Master" not all the other mixer elements when i look in GNOME. that could be because i didnt log out of here and just tried with an unprivileged user though :-/20:28
TuTUXGSa[i]nT, btrfs should be more worth to wait20:29
remumaco, I know under Intrepid, at the bottom, I only see "Master" unless I switch the dropdown to "HDA Intel", then I get a long list.20:29
BUGabundoTuTUXG: never gave trouble over 2 years doing it20:29
remuHowever, sound>properties looks completely different in Jaunty20:29
BUGabundoand I noticed how fast it got the 1st time20:29
macoremu: yeah, im not sure...20:29
maco>< both sound people are AFK right now20:30
* bruce89 regrets saying ext4 worked find20:30
TuTUXGBUGabundo, im just saying, theoretically20:30
BUGabundobruce89: what got wrong?20:30
BUGabundobesides the udev20:30
bruce89grub error 2420:30
DasKreechSa[i]nT: look at brtfs and Tux320:31
bruce89just back from reinstalling Jaunty thanks to that20:32
IntuitiveNippleext4 is a *lot* faster than ext3 for source-code trees; especially the kernel. deletion operations (make clean) are blindingly fast.20:32
BUGabundoIntuitiveNipple: you are the second to say that20:33
IntuitiveNippleFor anyone else who ever needs it: Quitting processing in sed after a match is like this example: "sed -n -e '/address/ {s/\(regexp\)/\1/p;q;}'" - the {} are the key20:34
BUGabundoIntuitiveNipple: is that for the s2disk bug ?20:34
IntuitiveNipplehuh?20:35
BUGabundoearlier today, I think it was charlie-tca, mention that the current bug with s2disk20:35
IntuitiveNippleThe sed quit thing? No, its for one of my scripts20:35
BUGabundowas related to sed20:35
IntuitiveNippleI've 'improved' my device2driver script and this was the last thing that was annoying - sed would match multiple lines in modules.pcimap for some devices and I wanted it to stop after the first match20:36
IntuitiveNippleinstead of a grep ... | cut ... | tr ...  I now have one sed20:36
shadeslayerhi im a n00b,was wondering if i could help by upgrading to jaunty20:37
shadeslayerhow stable is the alpha 4 version20:37
IntuitiveNippleit's alpha... that means it will break20:37
shadeslayerand can i go back to 8.1020:38
shadeslayer:)20:38
PiciNo20:38
BUGabundoshadeslayer: if you are asking : ITS NOT STABLE20:38
bruce89not without re-installing20:38
shadeslayerok ok i got it20:38
shadeslayerso basically it works one way20:38
BUGabundoyep20:38
PiciIt should show a warning before installing: HERE BE DRAGONS20:38
BUGabundoupdate-manager -d20:38
shadeslayerhehe20:38
BUGabundooh damn! I gave him the  key to hell20:39
shadeslayerso when will beta be out??20:39
BUGabundo !schedule20:39
ubottuA schedule of Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule20:39
Sa[i]nTLoL.20:39
BUGabundoehhehe /me winks at Pici20:39
bruce89nice, but about a month away still20:39
Sa[i]nTI'm thinking about upgrading.20:39
bruce89not that beta means anything20:39
Sa[i]nTBut I don't wanna have to revert.20:39
* shadeslayer has no idea what they are talking about20:39
Sa[i]nTMy HD has had more installs than Madonna.20:40
Teddy___Ubuntu has an old version of my package.  How can I make sure the newer (actually working) version is included in Jaunty?20:40
shadeslayerok thanks guys20:40
shadeslayerbye and best of luck20:40
PiciTeddy___: Best place to start asking would be in #ubuntu-motu20:40
DasKreechSa[i]nT: I guess that makes sense to someone...20:40
Teddy___Pici: Thanks, will do20:40
BUGabundoTeddy___: it's a bit late...20:41
BUGabundowe are past Feature Freeze20:41
macoTeddy___: you'd need a feature freeze exception20:41
BUGabundoits gona take some paperwork20:41
BUGabundo !FFE20:41
shadeslayerhave one lil question20:41
ubottuuvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d620:41
BUGabundoTeddy___: what is your package?20:41
BUGabundois it in debian?20:42
BUGabundocan it be autosync?20:42
macowhich means demonstrating that it really does need to be upgraded to a new version, maybe due to a massive amount of bugs or security issues or something being fixable only by upgrading20:42
bruce89feature freeze isn't the same as package freeze20:42
Teddy___BUGabundo: Package "mandos", it is already in Debian unstable.20:42
shadeslayerbeta release is slated for march 26,a month away20:42
Sa[i]nTI've been thinking about writing perl packages for Ubuntu. But I have no ambition.20:42
shadeslayeroh all right i answered my question myself20:42
shadeslayer:P20:42
BUGabundobruce89: you are correct20:43
macobruce89: oh does feature freeze only block new packages, but not new versions of packages?20:43
BUGabundoI got under the idea that the package was not on ubuntu... but it is20:43
bruce89that's why I said it20:43
BUGabundo !info mandos20:43
macoBUGabundo: we fail :(20:43
bruce89it's just a thing developers say to get away with not doing anything20:43
BUGabundomaco FF blocks any major change20:43
remuSo those of you running Jaunty with ext4, is the speed increase really noticeable? Or is it more of a benchmarking improvement?20:44
BUGabundo !package mandos20:44
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about package mandos20:44
IntuitiveNippleremu: I certainly notice it all the time when building software20:44
macobruce89: lol20:44
remuIntuitiveNipple, alright, and bootup wise? Or application load wise (dunno if that would even make a difference)20:44
BUGabundoDescription: a server giving encrypted passwords to Mandos clients This is the server part of the Mandos system, which allows computers to have encrypted root file systems and at the same time be capable of remote and/or unattended reboots.20:44
Sa[i]nTI am currently making some proggy's for DnD user's.20:45
bruce89remu: can't tell myself, but it takes time20:45
IntuitiveNippleremu: Generally it 'feels' more responsive. When doing stuff on large trees it is very fast compared to ext320:45
remubruce89, ah, I see20:45
DasKreech!info mandos20:45
ubottumandos (source: mandos): a server giving encrypted passwords to Mandos clients. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.2-1 (jaunty), package size 33 kB, installed size 188 kB20:45
remuOkay, yeah, I don't care if it is or isn't faster, as long as it "feels" faster20:45
bruce89it takes time to be faster, if that makes sense20:45
remubruce89, yeah, it does.20:46
IntuitiveNippleremu: When you're got several hundred-thousand files in a tree, it is noticable20:46
remubruce89, yeah, it does.20:46
remuLol, fair enough20:47
bruce89I heard that before somewhere20:47
vigoI did not get an Advanced, I will just install with a windows HD and that should work?20:54
remuI just noticed, under the livecd my touchpad behaves a little weird, I can't tap to click, or scroll....is there a fix/workaround for this?20:54
IntuitiveNippleremu: You'd need the gsynaptics driver20:56
remuI see, pretty much just sudo apt-get install gsynaptics20:56
vigoI will plug another HDD in do this again.20:57
IntuitiveNippleremu: Not sure - it requires a setting to allow it to access shared memory20:57
BUGabundothis went quiet for a while20:57
IntuitiveNippleremu: Maybe live-CD can't/won't be able to do that.20:57
IntuitiveNippleremu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad20:58
macoIntuitiveNipple: most things have moved out of synclient / SHMConfig (bad security nastiness) and into syndaemon21:00
macobut no tapping or scrolling could be the driver version. various touchpads have issues with the various synaptics versions in jaunty21:01
macogsynaptics is really a bad idea (and i say this as the person that made the acceleration tab)21:01
* maco listens to the crickets21:03
DasKreechSoothing eh?21:04
bruce89aye, such a boring game21:04
macoremu: see what i just said21:04
macoalso, the way to change touchpad settings without using xorg.conf for it is shown: http://jann.is/daily/archives/823-Kubuntu-8.10-beta-KDE-4.1-synaptics-TouchPad-problem.html21:05
macoand someone....james_w? was working on syndaemon and how to turn off tapping while typing21:06
IntuitiveNipplemaco: The hal FDI instructions are on the Ubuntu wiki page I pointed to21:06
macoIntuitiveNipple: oh that's new21:06
macook then21:06
IntuitiveNipplehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Configuration%20with%20HAL%20fdi%20files21:07
macoi should see what the current state of that is before i look for mystery-dev's mailing list post too then21:07
macooh hey syndaemon's on there too now, great!21:07
* maco stops hunting21:07
IntuitiveNipplehehehe21:07
IntuitiveNippleI prefer the direct SHM method... I don't use a computer to have it prevent me doing things21:08
macoSHM creates a 777 area of shared memory though21:08
IntuitiveNippleso?21:08
macomuch evilness can insue21:08
* maco smiles wickedly21:08
bruce89is MoM still on the go?21:09
macoMoM?21:09
bruce89Merge-o-Matic21:10
DasKreechThe older version of StepMoM21:10
* maco just learned that the GNOME HIG limits the number of tabs on a dialog to 6, after which they should be a list on the left instead of tabs21:10
* maco wonders why KDE doesn't do the same21:11
macokmail runs out of space for tabs at the top when asking for identity info and then the tabs scroll off the edge21:11
macoit's ugly and annoying21:11
DasKreechreally?21:11
DasKreechnever noticed21:11
macooh wait fixed in kmail for kde421:12
macoyay!21:12
macointrepid's kmail did that21:12
IntuitiveNipplehehehe  "... 'Yes. Red Hat will indeed be pushing the Linux desktop again.'" Sounds like their car broke down :)21:14
* bruce89 would like a better solution to the GtkNotebook arrow scroll thin21:14
bruce89IntuitiveNipple: what are they doing now?21:14
macotheyve been talking about a scroll bar for notebooks21:14
macobut i think that was a strawman21:15
IntuitiveNippleI'm waiting for the bean-can GUI element21:15
DasKreechmaco: Probably why I didn't notice it :-)21:15
DasKreechIntuitiveNipple: I thought Redhat's purpose was NOT to push the desktop21:16
remuthanks maco21:16
macoDasKreech: it wast created, jut talked about on gnome-usability21:17
IntuitiveNippleI want to rotate something I'm reading horizontally like reading a tin can21:17
macow/ mockups21:17
DasKreechmaco: No I meant the Kmail Tabs thing21:17
* bruce89 waits for GNOME just being a tabbed interface with tabs for everything in it21:17
DasKreechOnly really used Kmail seriously in KDE421:17
DasKreechbruce89: With subtab classes21:17
IntuitiveNippleI wish OS/2 ideas were still around, along with the NeXT desktop. That object orientation was fantastic21:18
bruce89tabs along the top to replace programs, tabs along the bottom for documents21:18
macoDasKreech: oh ok21:19
macobruce89: actually the gnome-usability people *hate* tabs21:19
macoDasKreech: well kmail for kde4 didnt release until about 6 months ago or so. it was not in hardy's kde4.21:19
bruce89that reminds me of that tab madness on planet GNOME21:19
crdlbthat was kind of scary until I saw totem21:20
bruce89heh21:21
BUGabundowhat? totem with tabs?21:22
BUGabundoalthough I apreciate them on Nautilus!21:23
BUGabundogreat addition21:23
bruce89BUGabundo: it was a joke on Planet GNOME21:23
bruce89when Nautilus got tabs, people came up with insane tab mockups21:24
bruce89such as tabs in tabs21:24
Laneyomg21:25
Laneyhow do I turn off the pidgin online alerts?21:25
DasKreechbruce89: The Gnome HIG actually says that apps should relegate tabs to the window manager21:27
DasKreechbut that was written years ago and needs to be rewritten21:27
bruce89wow21:27
mdeslaurLaney: tools/plugins/libnotify/Configure plugin21:28
Laneymdeslaur: Nice one, didn't think to look in plugins21:29
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bruce89http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7060/screenshotb.png21:30
Teddy___!info mandos-client21:30
ubottumandos-client (source: mandos): do unattended reboots with an encrypted root file system. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.2-1 (jaunty), package size 60 kB, installed size 300 kB21:30
bruce89!seed21:30
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about seed21:30
Royall_WHenever I boot jaunty I get about 4 windows a secocd opening21:47
Royall_they're not visivle except for in the panel21:47
charlie-tcaSounds like nautilus going nuts?21:48
bruce89Royall_: perhaps the mad notification thing21:53
vigoHello , can anyone show me a site or something to dual boot 8Hardy and 9Jaunty, hardy is on master and jaunty is on slave.21:54
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CarlFKvigo: install it - it says "I see another OS, want that included in grub?"21:54
vigoCarlFK: Ooops,,I did not see that, will reinstall , I was told not to select Grub from Jaunty, I may have misread it.21:56
CarlFKwell, standard disclaiomer: its beta.. back up your stuff...21:57
CarlFKany idea why "no gurb"?21:57
vigoIt is all backed up, I deselected Grub in Advanced, one said that it would cause troubles21:57
CarlFKhuh - it's worked fine for me21:58
vigoOn two HDDs?21:58
CarlFKfunny thing is I didn't want it to include the other one, wasn't paying attention, and now I have lots of grub menu entires :)21:58
vigoYeehaw21:59
CarlFKyep21:59
vigoFun21:59
bruce89wahey21:59
vigoI did not want the two to conflict or something, so I tried the dual HDD install22:00
vigoDrive 1, Master has Ubuntu full, Drive 2, slave has Jaunty22:01
vigoI can unplug 1 and run Jaunty, but there has to be a better way.22:02
CarlFKworst case, you may have to boot the live cd and fix up grub, (which seems to take me 2 or 3 tires)22:02
vigoSo two Grubs will not conflict?22:03
CarlFKit is spozed to work, so try it.  if it fails, report a bug22:03
CarlFKit's only 1 grub22:03
vigoOh wait,,you said you have 422:03
CarlFKI have about 7 entries in my menu.lst22:03
CarlFKand actually, I am not sure which drive it is on...22:04
bruce89two grubs are fine, I had Ubuntu and Fedora ones fine until today22:04
RoyallIs there any way to downgrade from Jaunty to Intrepid, since Jaunty makes nautilus flip out opening failed starts for me upon login (or maybe fix that problem)?22:04
RoyallIt spawns /infintely/22:05
bruce89no22:05
RoyallI'm only able to go on my computer because I'm in a Failsafe Terminal session22:05
vigoYes, that make sense, sorta, everything is backed up again now, so I re-install Jaunty and include Grub,,or I can unplug HD1 and wget or apt-get grub whil one Jaunty.22:05
vigoon*22:06
vigoNow I am starting to make sense, I think,that could be fun, boot into Jaunty, apt-get Grub, log out, plug HD1 back up and should be fixed.22:08
bruce89apt-getting grub doesn't do anything in this case22:09
adelie42I just finished greatly customized ubuntu install. Is there a simple way to take the full installation and make it a liveCD / installable?22:09
unixdawgok ever since updating yesterday now firefox and seamonkey keep locking up my system22:09
vigoWhile on Jaunty with HD1 disconnected, install grub, then rewire, reboot and see if is fixed22:10
charlie-tcaRoyall: you could try going to a tty and running updates22:11
BUGabundovigo: back22:11
BUGabundogive me the resume of what's up!22:11
vigoBUGabundo: Didnt install Grub. Jaunty is in, but no boot select22:12
BUGabundovigo: just have to run sudo update-grub22:12
BUGabundoon the other OS22:13
vigoBUGabundo: Yes, on the Jaunty?22:13
BUGabundono22:13
BUGabundoon the previous OS22:13
BUGabundowhere the grub is installed22:13
vigoThis one works,,oh install another grub ?22:14
vigoNo windows on this box anymore, other OS/Disk is Ubu8.04. Master, Jaunty is on Slave, I was thinking log over to Jaunty and install Grub into it?22:15
* unixdawg starts kicking jaunty22:16
unixdawgstop locking up22:16
bruce89unixdawg: anything relevant upgraded yesterday?22:18
vigoOh ok, I get ya now, been twenty years since I worked with UNIX. That sorta lit a bulb over my head.22:18
vigoI Thank you kindly.22:19
unixdawgI did a full dist upgrade22:20
unixdawgand then a fuull standard upgrade with apt-get22:20
unixdawgall went well22:21
bruce89ah22:21
unixdawgbut now firefox and seamonky keep locking up my system and causing it to reboot22:21
bruce89that's a bit odd22:21
unixdawgyes22:22
BUGabundounixdawg: strange22:23
ZenithDKHi, is non-working flash a known issue?22:23
BUGabundonot many ppl complain about that22:23
bruce89I didn't think there was ever a working non-free flash22:23
BUGabundodid you use update-manager -d ?22:23
ZenithDKI upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 a few days ago, and it has not been working since22:23
ZenithDKBUGabundo: yes22:23
bruce89!expand22:23
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about expand22:23
BUGabundoZenithDK: 80% here22:23
ZenithDKBUGabundo: you are upgrading?22:24
BUGabundoZenithDK: i have flash 64 bits22:24
BUGabundoand works great22:24
RoyallSeriously, nautilus is opening infinitly whenever I boot to anything other than a Failsafe Terminal Session. Either I need some way to downgrade to Intrepid or to fix the problem, or I'll have to format the whole partition22:24
bruce89Royall: any warnings or anything somewhere22:25
ZenithDKhow about the ssh-agent, anyone having problems with that? it seems to ask me for my pw quite a few times here22:25
RoyallWhen I installed Jaunty there was something about pythonxgtk-2.0 or something22:25
Royallan error22:25
RoyallIt basically crashed the updating thing22:26
RoyallIt was supposed to go to "Cleaning Up" and then "Restarting Computer" but it crashed before it could do either, it seems22:26
Royallnot 2.0, it was 2.622:26
Royalla conflict or something between 2.6 and 2.822:26
bruce89that shouldn't matter Nautilus-wise22:27
charlie-tcaThat won't be fixed on the images until tomorrow, I think. They said it is in bzr already22:28
RoyallI tried uninstalling brasero because I read it was causing the problem for some people22:28
Royallcharlie-tca: ha, so if I would have waited a day I would be fine? -_-22:28
charlie-tcamaybe... It doesn't mean something else didn't get broken.22:29
charlie-tcaCan you get to a terminal using Ctrl+Alt+F2?22:29
RoyallIs there a way to reinstall Jaunty without losing my data?22:29
charlie-tcaYou could run the updates, from there22:30
bruce89if you have a /home partition, yes22:30
Royallcharlie-tca: I can22:30
charlie-tcarun "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", restart it and see if that fixes it.22:31
ZenithDKtried removing the "nonfree" flash version, installed the "adobe-flash" instead, that seems to work for some reason22:32
Royallwas dist-upgrade supposed to take two seconds?22:32
Royallalso it says "two packages were held back"22:32
Royallwould those be important?22:32
bruce89Royall: not likely22:33
Royallwell I did both commands, I'll try restarting22:33
charlie-tcaDid it ask you to okay it?22:34
charlie-tcaor did it have 0 updates?22:35
bruce89"Royall has left the room"22:35
charlie-tcaoh, well.22:35
bruce89I don't know how people get into such a fankle, I've never seen anything like that22:36
charlie-tcaheh22:37
RoyallNope22:37
charlie-tcaI think there must be a trick to it22:37
charlie-tcaNo go, huh?22:37
RoyallNah, nautilus still flipping out22:38
charlie-tcaWell, do we know it is nautilus?22:38
macobruce89: fankle?22:38
RoyallThat's what most of the bug entries say when I search for the problem22:38
bruce89scots word, a mess22:39
bruce89mix-up perhaps22:39
bruce89what precisely occurs?22:39
charlie-tcaI can't get nautilus to do that. The best I got on two systems was a crash report on one.22:39
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Royallbruce89: Me? When I boot, everything seems normal, and then gnome-panel appears with "Starting..[someting]" (it shrinks too fast to read) windows spawning infinitely. Eventually it uses up my dualcore and Ubuntu freezes entirely.22:41
bruce89sounds nice22:41
RoyallI can't click on the windows, and they're minimized it seems22:41
RoyallI can't identify the offending process in system monitor, partially because I don't know what it would look like22:42
bruce89anything unusual installed?22:42
Royalljaunty22:43
bruce89package-wise22:43
Royalldeluge, xchat, firefox, a bunch of applets, and...Gnome Do start on boot22:43
Royalland pidgin, wicd22:43
bruce89gnome-do could be playing up I suppose22:44
RoyallI don't know what would be considered unusual22:44
RoyallI think I tried killing Gnome Do in system monitor one time22:44
RoyallI don't think that's it22:44
RoyallI don't think I saw nautilus on the list of processes when getting to the monitor, which leads me to believe that that's it22:45
bruce89is there anything going mad on top?22:45
RoyallNope22:45
RoyallI'm gonna quit xchat so I can run firefox22:48
bruce89hmm, maybe we should have mentioned xchat &22:49
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macobruce89: or nohup22:53
bruce89heh, notify-osd needs compiz and use of the human icon theme to work properly22:57
crdlbhow does it behave w/ metacity?22:58
bruce89perhaps I was a bit mad saying the above, but the blur doesn't work22:59
crdlberm, obviously? :>22:59
bruce89forget that bit, but the icon theme thing is a big issue23:00
crdlbthis gpu doesn't support blur23:00
RoyallOk, I was able to fix it by downgrading nautilus23:00
RoyallThanks to a .sh from a bug comment23:01
crdlbbruce89: it really doesn't inspire confidence in notify-osd in general :/23:02
bruce89I didn't have much when I heard of it all those months ago when it was planned23:02
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veritosWill Ubuntu+1 include any KDE 3 stuff?23:05
bruce89AFAIK Hardy didn't even23:05
veritosbruce89: Amarok?23:06
veritosAmarok 2 wasn't released yet, so it was just 1 (which was KDE 3).23:06
* bruce89 should have kept quiet23:08
veritosthat's fine; i suppose that i can actually LOOK AT THE METAPACKAGE.23:09
bruce89!info amarok23:09
ubottuamarok (source: amarok): easy to use media player based on the KDE 4 technology platform. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.0.1.1mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 9396 kB, installed size 28008 kB23:10
veritosyep, that's the new release.23:10
veritos!info bibletime23:10
ubottubibletime (source: bibletime): A bible study tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.5.1-1 (jaunty), package size 1097 kB, installed size 2668 kB23:10
bruce89Any good reason Ubuntu's Amarok uses mysql?23:10
Laneyah hax on top of hax23:13
Laneydowngraded to Intrepid's xorg, works much better23:13
kane77bruce89, does it?23:15
cwillubruce89, why shouldn't it?23:15
unixdawgok apt-get says thereis 275 megs in updates but it keeps lockign up when reading the pkg db23:16
bruce89a SQL server is surely a bit heavyweight23:16
cwillufor a database?23:16
bruce89for a music player23:16
cwilluanyways, it can use sqlite as well, no idea which one is the default (either will fulfill the dependencies)23:16
cwillubruce89, if you want a music player, you know where to find totem and company23:17
kane77actually I found exaile to satisfy my needs and fit to gnome desktop better :D23:17
cwillubut it's silly for an app to reinvent a database when so many are already stable and tested :p23:17
* bruce89 doesn't do music anyway23:17
cwilluexaile uses sqlite as well kane77 :p23:18
kane77yup23:18
bruce89yikes, the amarok package allegedly has a copy of mysql in it23:18
unixdawgI am gettting hash sum miss matches23:18
cwilluit can use mysql, I doubt they've statically included one as well23:18
bruce89"New package with mysql sources included, as discussed with security team" says the changelog23:19
cwillustill not sure why you'd care23:19
cwilluso it uses a database, big deal23:19
* bruce89 is a nosey bastard23:19
bruce89with no life to speak of23:20
cwillubetter they use a database then reinvent the damn thing and get a dozen details wrong out of the hundreds one has to get right :p23:20
bruce89I mean, I'm watching the Woman's Scottish Curling Championchips23:22
cwillubruce89, tell you what, I'll give you something worthwhile to do:23:27
cwillubruce89, beat the 100 levels mode of casualcollective.com's desktop tower defense23:28
cwillubeen going a week on it, can't get past level 8523:28
bruce89rather like 20,000 lightyears of space23:31
bruce89in fact, almost a clone23:33
cwillueh?23:33
cwillutower defense23:33
cwillu(and it's 20,000 lightyears _in_ space)23:33
cwillu!info lightyears23:33
ubottulightyears (source: lightyears): single player real-time strategy game with steampunk sci-fi. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3a-4 (jaunty), package size 620 kB, installed size 1172 kB23:33
cwilluoh, come on, give the full name at least :/23:33
cwilluooo, I didn't even notice that one :)23:34
bruce89och, close enough23:34
cwilluhttp://www.casualcollective.com/games/DesktopTD was what I was referring to though23:34
bruce89I'm there, amazed swfdec can do it actually23:35
vigoThis thing rox!23:42
* cwillu pokes the over-enthusiastic user with a stick23:44
VolkodavU have a real weird thing going on - I get nautilus to run in my xfce session and along with it the desktop changes to gnome's (icons etc)23:53
Volkodavwhen I killall -9 nautilus the desktop changes back to xfce but nautilus pops back up23:53
Volkodav?23:53
cwilluVolkodav, nautilus provides the desktop in gnome, it's probably confused into thinking you want it managing the desktop23:55
cwillunautilus --no-desktop23:55
Volkodavprobably23:55
cwilluor set it in the preference23:55
cwillu+s23:56
VolkodavI managed to kill it now all the icons from xfce desktop are gone23:56
Volkodavdarn it23:56
cwilluyou may have to rerun whatever app is responsible for the desktop in xfce23:56
Volkodavyeah23:57
Volkodavxfdesktop23:57
cwilludamn, level 85 again :(23:58
Volkodavhuh ?23:58
cwillunot you :p23:58
cwillubruce89 ^^23:58
bruce89hmm?23:58

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