[07:18] Good morning [07:51] morning pitti [07:53] bonjour didrocks [08:59] What is this new notification applet, and why does it look so utterly non-native? === mvo__ is now known as mvo [10:16] At least they reconsidered naming it "alsdorf" [10:19] But yeah, I hate it, and it's going to become my number one thing to customize on a new Ubuntu install [10:19] Which is slightly worrying since I've not found any way to do so without root access, for all users, yet. [10:29] Hi seb128 [10:29] hello didrocks [10:30] seb128: I was just wondering if I only open a bug on LP "implement better notification" for pidgin and link it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD [10:30] didrocks: what do you mean? === mvo__ is now known as mvo [10:31] seb128: it seems that there is some work to do for pidgin and the new notification system https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Pidgin [10:31] didrocks: I don't understand the bug question, what change do you want to request? [10:32] so, I just propose to handle it, and for that if I only open a bug on LP and assign it to myself to tell "I'm working on it" [10:32] didrocks: pidgin-libnotify in jaunty doesn't use actions and use the message indicator, it's installed by default and autoactivated [10:32] what other change is required? [10:33] seb128: oh, ok, from the wiki text, I thought there was still actions on the message indicator and so, have to remove them [10:33] ok, so, nothing to do with it [10:33] talk to ted when he's around [10:33] maxb: What is it meant to do? [10:33] seb128: oki [10:33] I'm not sure about it but from my point of view that's working correctly [10:33] wgrant: he's talking about the notifications, not the applet [10:34] wgrant: the applet will show recently received messages and the like. [10:35] james_w: Ah, I see. But it is the ugliest thing on the desktop, and leaves this strange dark grey bar when it has nothing to show... [10:35] seb128: I will check with him, thanks :) [10:39] ArneGoetje: if you dont test my fontconfig packages, I will be forced to just upload it after next alpha :) [11:43] asac: sorry, I was busy. [11:52] ArneGoetje: no problem. was ment to be a gentle reminder ;) [11:52] there are still a few days left until freeze is lifted [11:53] ArneGoetje: i expect some regressions with non-latin fonts and i already have some feedback that it gets worse for ttf fonts [11:53] would be good if we could find which cases needs to be fixed [11:53] without reintroducing the major rules.d hackfest we had before [11:54] asac: I got a bug about Chinese fonts in iceweasel on debian... if that is related? [11:54] ArneGoetje: i am not sure. i know that i dropped most of our tweakage ... just preserving the fontconfigurator ones for now [11:55] asac: Look at this: http://www.cs.ccu.edu.tw/~cyt93/images/Iceweasel-3.0.6_broken.png [11:55] ArneGoetje: hmm probably unrelated [11:55] ArneGoetje: the main issue we had is that fontconfig doesnt honour gnome settings anymore [11:55] slomo: could you have a look to backport https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base0.10/+bug/252237 for debian (would be better to sync that to upload that to ubuntu only)? [11:55] Ubuntu bug 252237 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "gstreamer alsa mixer renders gnome volume controls useless" [Low,Triaged] [11:56] slomo: ie the change you did to fix alsamixer [11:56] ArneGoetje: which happened because we just fixed various values [11:56] all over the place [11:56] so i dropped all that and want to readd the minimum really required [11:56] asac: AFAIK fontconfig never honored gnome settings. Gnome should honor fontconfig settings instead. [11:56] also performance has somewhat boosted for me after dropping the ANY metrics patch [11:57] ArneGoetje: well... whatever [11:57] ArneGoetje: we even overwrote user settings [11:57] asac: ... [11:57] asac: you are giving me a headache... [11:58] I will test your package tonight. [11:58] thanks [11:59] ArneGoetje: not honour gnome settings == not honour user settings [11:59] asac: what setting are you speaking about? [11:59] but lets look which rules we really need to add [11:59] seb128: font ;) [11:59] asac: user settings belong into ~/.font.conf [11:59] asac: dpi, font name, points? [12:00] ArneGoetje: right. still ;) [12:00] seb128: look at /etc/fonts/fonts.d/ [12:00] asac: problem with that is, you need to copy everything in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ into it and then change the bits you need to tweak. Otherwise it won't work :( [12:00] everything that comes after 50 is overwriting user settings [12:00] asac: that's fontconfig yes [12:00] at least if they dont have proper tests [12:01] (which some of them dont) [12:01] ArneGoetje: lets look at it. i thin my package is not really worse than before [12:01] except for some ttf and non-latin fonts [12:02] but those can be done properly imo [12:02] asac: should be everything < 50 which is overwritten... [12:02] ArneGoetje: user settings can overwrite everything below 50 ... but not something that is greater 50 [12:02] asac: s/overwritten/overwriting/ [12:03] asac: other way round. The lower the number the higher the priority, IIRC [12:03] ArneGoetje: i am really sure that the rules are applied in alphabetic order [12:03] so if you set property1 to XXX in 20 ... you can still overwrite it in 40 [12:04] i can verify that in fontconfig code [12:04] but not now [12:04] ;) [12:06] ArneGoetje: bug 305394 and the upstream mozilla bug 458612 [12:06] "every file within that directory starting with an ASCII digit (U+0030 - [12:06] U+0039) and ending with the string ‘‘.conf’’ will be processed in [12:06] sorted order" [12:06] Launchpad bug 305394 in fontconfig "No subpixel smoothing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305394 [12:06] Mozilla bug 458612 in GFX: Thebes "(Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612 [12:09] seb128: oh i replied with @canonical.com to -desktop list [12:09] seb128: can you moderate that in and whitelist that address [12:09] Re: gnome-control-center [12:10] asac: let me look if I can find the moderation password somewhere ;-) [12:10] hehe [12:10] damn [12:10] i should just remove the magic that picks @canonical.com if someone from canonical is in the addresses ;) [12:13] asac: ok got it [12:13] seb128: thanks. and please whitelist asac@canonical.com for future (in case i forget again) [12:14] asac: done [12:14] * asac hugs seb128 the great [12:14] and checked the "whitelist this address" option too [12:14] * seb128 hugs asac [12:15] lunch time now [12:31] when is meeting today? [12:31] 1630 UTC. good === JanC_ is now known as JanC === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:38] The new GDM theme is pretty! [12:39] However, the colour of the background (which is what's shown on secondary monitors) is still set to a traditional Ubuntu brown/orange/beigeish colour, which doesn't look so good [12:41] right, the colour will be changed [12:41] pitti: let me know if you do an upload to sponsor the gtkrc thing you can tweak the color in the same upload ;-) [12:42] seb128: the background one? sure, is that easy to find, or do you know where it's defined? [12:42] seb128: btw, I uploaded a gnome-settings-daemon yesterday, with Alberto's fix for randr configuration [12:43] seb128: I know you don't like such "quick" uploads, but that bug was driving me mad [12:43] pitti: there is a 35_gdm.conf.patch or something [12:43] ah, nice [12:43] right, I guess switching it to brown was a patch :) [12:43] pitti: we change the color there, just set #00000 instead that's what dxteam asked some days ago === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:44] pitti: for g-s-d no problem I would have commented if a new GNOME was scheduled this week but it makes sense to get that for the alpha CD ;-) [12:44] seb128: while I'm at it, I should also check if I can easily disable the input line popup [12:46] pitti: just comment the tooltip [12:46] yeah, should be simple [12:46] just listing the things to change [12:47] greeter/greeter_canvas_item.c: tooltips = gtk_tooltips_new (); [12:47] anything else? [12:47] greeter/greeter_canvas_item.c: gtk_tooltips_set_tip (tooltips, GTK_WIDGET (entry), [12:47] I guess that's only that [12:47] pitti: bug #264834 is sitting in the sponsor queue since before intrepid, not sure if we should just upload that [12:47] Launchpad bug 264834 in gdm "RFE: Add gesture to start onboard and mousetweaks at login (patch supplied)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264834 [12:53] seb128: ah, that; I really don't like patches like those :/ [12:53] yeah, me neither, there is a reason why it's sitting there for a while [12:53] just ignore that for now if you want [12:54] well, bigger problem is that I don't know what to do with that file, it's not a patch [12:54] I'll ask again and do the current upload [13:28] seb128, hi, i see gwibber is still in the NEW queue? is that expected? [13:29] fta2: hello, yes, I've way too much to do and pinging me on IRC every day is not making that goes smoother [13:30] will do in a bit I forgot yesterday afternoon too many other things and people pinging me all around the place during the day [13:30] seb128: when you have a few minutes, i want to chat about evo [13:30] kenvandine[work]: don't ask to ask just ask -) [13:30] ;-) [13:30] hehe [13:30] got a few? [13:30] i have a patch in my ppa, but i didn't do quite what we talked about [13:30] * didrocks is sure that seb128 has a shorcut for this sentence :) [13:31] seb128: basically, i am just changing the default settings in gconf, so it doesn't display the icon [13:31] kenvandine[work]: I've lot to do as just said but I can have a look, can you give me some details? [13:31] seb128, well, it was not my intention to ping you, i thought you did it yesterday when you asked me to resubmit but i still see it in the queue, maybe i misunderstood, sorry. i'll redirect all the requestees that keep asking me to a PPA. [13:32] fta2: sorry just got a bit too many people pinging me for a while and I've difficulties to get work done, nothing against you [13:32] seb128: that plugin now sends the dbus events on new mail... which some people are starting to use in other apps [13:32] so disabling it completely will probably not be popular [13:32] kenvandine[work]: hum [13:33] kenvandine[work]: and the new dx plugin doesn't do that? [13:33] seb128, np, i understand ;) [13:33] i don't think so [13:33] i think it just monitors [13:33] not sure though [13:33] fta2: I meant to do it but got sidetracked in a zillion of other things [13:33] this was a new feature in 2.25.x [13:33] sends a dbus event for new mail... other apps can listen for it [13:34] kenvandine[work]: the only thing I don't like about the gconf change is that the vanilla session will not get the applet since that's user config [13:34] applet -> icon rather [13:34] but that's a detail [13:34] yeah... i know [13:34] but [13:34] pitti: ^ what do you think? [13:34] the vanilla session isn't that vanilla yet :) [13:34] right [13:34] i am sure lots of packages tweak gconf defaults [13:35] so that is a harder problem to solve [13:35] right [13:35] I think that's ok [13:35] just checking what pitti thinks [13:35] i think we need to have 2 sets of schemas installed... one default and one ubuntu... and root a different one depending on session [13:35] just an idea [13:35] pita to implement... [13:38] qt isn't using the system font hinting settings in 9.04 [13:38] i've got unhinted set in both systemwide fontconfig settings and in gtk's xsettings [13:40] kenvandine[work]: we do have default and ubuntu, that's /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults and defaults [13:40] alex-weej: no clue about what qt is doing [13:40] ah [13:41] kenvandine[work]: the system path is not dynamic though, we could perhaps change that though [13:44] mvo: let's not troll? ;-) [13:44] mvo: should ping josselin about it rather [13:45] ups wrong chan [13:57] morning rickspencer3 [13:57] kenvandine[work]: good morning [13:58] that reminds me i owe rickspencer3 an email... [14:02] hey rickspencer3 [14:02] kenvandine[work]: good morning [14:02] hey pitti [14:02] good afternoon :) [14:05] hello rickspencer3 [14:05] hi seb128 [14:05] rickspencer3, pitti: sorry for the duplicate activity email [14:05] I got some mailer issues [14:06] seb128: hehe, no problem [14:06] seb128: I assumed that you had automated the generation of your activity reports, and had a bug in one of your loops ;) [14:06] ah, finally a mailbomb bug ;) [14:06] ah ah [14:06] asac: not so many emails dont worry ;-) [14:23] * asac (late-)lunch [15:26] pitti: filed another bug on apport-collect :) [15:26] calc: will I ever be able to close that one bug? :-) [15:26] pitti: i think after it is fixed that it will be perfect.. for my use anyway [15:26] cool [15:26] pitti: filed it as a new bug so i wouldn't keep beating the same old bug report ;-) [15:27] i noticed the new issue after i had someone use it for a bug report [15:32] asac: ping [15:33] rickspencer3: just go ahead ;) [15:33] funny how customs are different over the years and in different communities :) [15:34] rickspencer3: since my client is always online you can just ask and i will reply when i see it (given time constraints) [15:37] i think thats mostly true for the "always on" folks [15:42] hum [16:05] vuntz: hello [16:06] vuntz: how much feedback do you need on those gnome-session svn change? [16:06] vuntz: and how likely is a svn snapshot going to create issue on normal session if you don't try to store a session? [16:06] seb128: oh, thanks for pidgin sponsoring btw (just noticed now) [16:06] didrocks: you're welcome thanks for the update [16:14] desktop team meeting in 15 minutes [16:17] asac: I will continue to test your fontconfig package tomorrow... this takes some longer time... [16:19] ArneGoetje: thats ok. i had a debugging session with some community guy in my mozillateam channel a few hours ago [16:19] so i already know a few regressions due to too aggressive rule dropping [16:20] i will try to address those issues and provide an updated font. anyway, i still need feedback on no-latin fonts [16:21] asac: that's what I also expected... but I will try to figure out what we can do to improve the situation... and I need to test on Kubuntu as well. [16:23] ArneGoetje: right. kubuntu feedback much appreciated [16:23] ArneGoetje: we can also have a call if that helps to get things started ... i think we will end up with a quick fix for jauty, but should review this whole complex for karmic imo [16:24] maybe the quick fix will be as conservative as removing obsolete/cruft config rules that seem to have accumulated for various folks [16:24] asac: I do some testing first. that will take already some time as I need to test multiple language environments... [16:25] ArneGoetje: right. thats much appreciated ... just wanted to kick this off [16:25] also to get myself used to this whole thing a bit [16:29] desktop team meeting in 1 minute [16:29] ok, enough nm testing for me for now [16:29] here [16:29] asac: evo 2.25 doesn't react to nm changes correctly for me not sure if you were keeping track of how buggy applications are in this regard [16:30] seb128: i am supposed to. i tried to test that a few times, but it wasnt obvious to me what means "correct" [16:30] seb128: what issue do you see? [16:30] seb128: hmm. lets discuss after the meeting or in -devel [16:31] hi all! [16:31] ;) [16:31] asac: it doesn't react to any change, ie doesn't get offline if I reselect the wireless connection while the applet spins [16:31] no pitti? [16:31] or if I unselect enable wireless or enable network in the applet directly [16:31] hi [16:31] morning [16:31] hi [16:31] asac: I'm discussing it upstream, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572962 for the record [16:31] Gnome bug 572962 in Shell "no longer goes offline when network disconnected" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:32] seb128: maybe upstream patched out the behaviour because too many complained about being offline (i think finally some upstreams gave in) [16:32] seb128: that works in 2.24.x [16:32] let's start the team meeting [16:32] hi pitti [16:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-02-24 [16:32] asac: right, they stopped using the lib and listen to dbus directly now [16:32] anyway meeting ;-) [16:32] outstanding issues [16:32] ACTION: bryce to re-sponsor xorg.conf editor in time for feature freeze. [16:32] that's done, right? [16:33] I think everything else has been done [16:33] ACTION: Riddell to move individual work items that will not get done for Jaunty to new blueprints/specs for later releases. [16:33] done, right? [16:33] rickspencer3: yep done [16:33] btw: I want to call out ArneGoetje for his awesome fortitude [16:34] rickspencer3: ? [16:34] we have a meeting in what was last night for me, and here he is again [16:34] extending those to mvo, who helped a lot with l-s [16:34] yeah [16:34] that's a long day for ArneGoetje :) [16:34] rickspencer3: normal working hours. ;) [16:34] pitti: ack - thanks to mvo for helping us get the language selector spec done [16:34] rickspencer3: mm no, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo is keeping track of the individual items, I'm not sure new specs are useful yet I'd rather just look at the Todo page at next UDS and write specs from there [16:35] * seb128 hugs mvo [16:35] moving on [16:35] Riddell: WFM [16:35] Release Bugs/Release Status [16:35] Riddell: we just need a clear status on the jaunty specs, to be able to chalk them off as implemented [16:35] As of 23:30 UTC yesterday, we have no opened alpha-5 milestoned bugs [16:35] * mvo is happy and congrats Arne for finishing the spec [16:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus isn't entirely up to date, though [16:36] * ArneGoetje hugs mvo [16:36] so looks like we aren't blocking alpha at all [16:36] it's the status from last Friday [16:36] pitti: ack [16:36] but since then, at least the two nss bugs were taken off the radar [16:37] pitti: anything regarding release status that we should be aware of or helping with? [16:37] meh, disconnect again [16:37] 17:37 < rickspencer3> pitti: anything regarding release status that we should be aware of or helping with? [16:37] the remaining issues on ReleaseStatus are pretty icky driver problems [16:38] asac: do you need help for bug 199140? [16:38] Launchpad bug 199140 in network-manager "Network manager shows and connects to virtual interfaces" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199140 [16:38] no [16:38] cool [16:38] thats rather simple ... even though a followup hack for a hack we have for a bad driver ;) [16:38] bug 331618 should land before UIF [16:38] Launchpad bug 331618 in firefox-3.0 "make new tab behaviour consistent in Firefox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331618 [16:38] that's my biggest thing on my radar so far [16:38] blocked on paperwork [16:39] with C or Mozilla? [16:39] once we have a go, we can make that happen at the same day [16:39] pitti: we are in a wait and see state on that [16:39] moz [16:39] okay, thanks [16:39] pitti: discussion/decision pending [16:39] they promissed to get back in 24h hours ... which was 23h ago ;) [16:39] lol [16:39] but well. lets hope we get something this week [16:40] move on? [16:40] from my side yes [16:40] looking at work items, we are slightly above the trend line if I draw the line to beta freeze [16:41] rickspencer3: nice graph! [16:41] this suggests that we may not get everything done in Jaunty in terms of work items [16:41] hopefully you publish your scripts in a bzr branch ;) [16:41] rickspencer3: split build is post beta freeze, well likely will be anyway [16:41] asac: right [16:41] in any case [16:41] rickspencer3: at least the graph shows we are mostly tracking the line, we just need to get below it [16:42] kenvandine[work]: ack [16:42] * kenvandine[work] likes burn down charts [16:42] one way to get below it is to postpone things now that we know won't get done [16:42] rickspencer3: it doesn't include the blocked things? [16:42] pitti: blocked, started, not started are all the same as far as a burndown chart is concerned [16:43] postponed and done are also the same [16:43] rickspencer3: OTOH, I have such funny things as [16:43] pitti:Advice Dx Team Regarding playing sounds to provide volume control feedback:not started [16:43] though I just realized I put the postponed bits in the wrong place, I'll update later [16:43] those account for some "noise" which doesn't affect the release cycle really [16:43] should we change blocked items to postponed or should they be treated as the postponed/done bits? [16:43] pitti: ack [16:44] the items i marked as blocked are blocked for the forseeable future [16:44] calc: if they are not going to get done this cycle, we should go ahead and communicate that now where possible. That way we can a) identify if we break anyone by not doing it when there is time to adjust, and b) we can stop tracking or generally worrying about the item [16:45] on a side note, please follow the syntax as my script is ridiculously brittle :) [16:45] rickspencer3: ok in the kde4/gio cases those are blocked on upstream issues [16:45] so maybe everyone of us should go through their blocked issues and try to resolve/postpone them this week [16:45] rickspencer3: ah so note them to the left of the : (in the description)? [16:46] calc: I'll add some comments to the next one that describes the syntax and allowable values [16:46] ok [16:46] will do [16:47] moving on ... [16:47] FFEs [16:47] feature freeze exception? [16:47] we already discussed bug 331618 make new tab behaviour consistent in Firefox [16:47] Launchpad bug 331618 in firefox-3.0 "make new tab behaviour consistent in Firefox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331618 [16:47] kenvandine[work]: yes [16:47] the only other one I saw that might be relevant is bug 329161 Transmission 1.50 should be considered for inclusion in 9.04 [16:47] Launchpad bug 329161 in transmission "Transmission 1.50 should be considered for inclusion in 9.04" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329161 [16:48] any other FFEs that we should be aware of? [16:48] rickspencer3: I'm expecting to have one for -ati 6.12.0, which will bring R6xx/7xx support [16:48] for the firefox case would that be opening tabs causes the home page to load? [16:49] rickspencer3: oh and one for -fglrx [16:49] rickspencer3: transmission> already acked by me, sponsoring pending [16:49] ah i see at the bottom of the bug page [16:49] pitti: schweet [16:49] both are awaiting upstream releases to get out [16:49] pitti: do we need to get bryce 's on the release team radar? [16:50] bryce: can we pre-test them in some PPA? [16:50] bryce: could you please add these to the team meeting wiki? [16:50] rickspencer3: I think that's bug 313027 [16:50] Launchpad bug 313027 in fglrx-installer "MASTER: fglrx does not support xserver 1.6" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313027 [16:50] asac, yes on -ati; for -fglrx it probably is irrelevant, since we'll get what we get and that's all we'll have (and we have nothing now) [16:50] i think fglrx sounds essential [16:50] so there is no way around. right [16:52] I can do a git snapshot of the 6xx/7xx branch for -ati [16:52] bryce: is nvidia working with xorg 1.6 now? [16:53] while bryce is working on that [16:53] .. [16:53] our next gate is UI Freeze on March 5th [16:53] any concerns there (other then the firefox new tab change)? [16:54] kenvandine[work]: yep [16:54] bryce: great [16:55] looks like UI Freeze is not a concern, so moving on [16:55] these next few items are more like announcements, I suppose [16:56] Performance Reviews and Goals: everyone should revisit these to ensure that the work they have been doing is reasonable in line with their goals ... [16:56] rickspencer3: UIF> well, there will be some more patches to applications wrt. notifications [16:56] typically, change the goals, not the work [16:56] I understand the goal setting web site is a tad, shall we say "tempermental" [16:56] asac: is nm-applet already changed, notification-wise? [16:57] so please eel free to use text files and email [16:57] pitti: yes. all done in ubuntu. upstream will commit it after rc2 [16:57] asac: rocking [16:57] * rickspencer3 hands mike to pitti for UIF discussion [16:57] rickspencer3: sorry; I'm done [16:57] pitti: oh. text changes are still missing [16:57] pitti: wanted to apply them in a batch once we have all [16:57] plan was to look later this week [16:57] rickspencer3: goal changes> hm, doesn't that somewhat defeat setting goals? [16:58] pitti: some of them should still be relevant, some of them won't be, and you probably have added some goals [16:58] that's all [16:58] seb128: (sorry if this is a meeting) gnome-session trunk is basically 2.25.91 + the session saving patch. So it shouldn't cause any major issues for people not saving their session [16:59] my intention is to make review time as easy as possible on us, as it will clash with UDS, etc... [16:59] rickspencer3: thanks for taking a practical approach about goals ... which often change in our interrupt driven environment [16:59] vuntz: (that's a meeting indeed) want to get feedback on it? [17:00] seb128: of course we want ;-) [17:00] rickspencer3, kenvandine[work]: did you hear anything pending from DX which we still need to integrate? [17:00] pitti: we still have quite oem patches pending review [17:00] not directly... but there is that wiki page of notification related stuff that needs some work [17:00] I also think we still need a new desktop background, and a new gdm/usplash theme [17:00] I've uploaded the g-c-c ones some days ago [17:00] pitti: but those should not an UI change on normal desktop use [17:00] pitti: i got a new gdm theme in todays update [17:01] ACTION: rickspencer3 to follow up with design team regarding artwork and UIF dates [17:01] I want to ensure they are well dialed in [17:01] ah, ubuntu-gdm-themes (0.31ubuntu5) apparenlty then [17:01] kenvandine[work]: could you please try to generate a list of all the UI changes driven from the dx work that will happen before UIF, and also a list of ones that may come later? [17:02] yes... should i focus on the items in main? [17:02] it is quite a mix now [17:02] ACTION: kenvandine[work] to organize dx changes wrt UIF timing [17:02] kenvandine[work]: do it however makes sense, I just want us (the desktop team) to be hyper aware of what changes they are planning when [17:02] http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-mock-up.html ;-) [17:03] moving on ... [17:03] All hands ... everyone on the desktop team should plan to do a presentation at all hands [17:03] (at least one) [17:04] thoughts? [17:04] rickspencer3: we're triaging all dx bugs, and setting as HIGH all that need to be fixed before UIF [17:04] * pitti submitted one proposal, but didn't hear back anything [17:04] * rickspencer3 checks off pitti on list [17:04] kenvandine[work]: usplash/other artwork> kwwii (Ken Wimer) is best contact for that [17:04] * davidbarth thinks that pitti's proposal is fine and quite balanced [17:05] ACTION: rickspencer3 to email reminder to team about all hands, along with links, etc... [17:05] pitti, kenvandine[work]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=dxteam+notifications&field.tags_combinator=ANY [17:05] next quick announcement ... [17:05] davidbarth: oh, I meant a proposal for a talk at allhands, not for u-m, but that's urgent to solve as well :) [17:05]