| loic-m | salty-horse: Last time I checked, Jaunty uses the native amd64 beta | 00:01 |
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| salty-horse | loic-m, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/flashplugin-nonfree says it depends on nspluginwrapper (>= 0.9.91.4-2ubuntu1) [amd64] | 00:02 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: I dunnon, i just now it dl and install the amd64 beta | 00:03 |
| salty-horse | do you have nspluginwrapper installed? | 00:05 |
| loic-m | no | 00:08 |
| loic-m | on my system, it doesn't depends on ndiswrapper | 00:09 |
| salty-horse | how odd | 00:11 |
| loic-m | however I've got 3ubuntu2, not 3ubuntu3, there's been a change, see the changelog and you'll get your answer | 00:11 |
| loic-m | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.15.3ubuntu3/changelog | 00:11 |
| salty-horse | I don't see the answer.. :) it still claims to require nspluginwrapper ... | 00:13 |
| salty-horse | oh oh | 00:13 |
| salty-horse | ok | 00:13 |
| salty-horse | haven't looked at 3ubuntu2 :) | 00:13 |
| salty-horse | I wonder why the change was reverted. asac? | 00:14 |
| asac | salty-horse: thats ok. when it is final we will pull the native binary from archive.canonical | 00:15 |
| asac | the native thing comes from adobe.com which is error prone | 00:16 |
| asac | as there is no stable link for versions | 00:16 |
| salty-horse | I'm using it, and getting a better experience than with nspluginwrapper | 00:16 |
| salty-horse | somtimes the sound stops and I have to restart it, but still a better experience | 00:16 |
| directhex | salty-horse, you don't like grey rectangles? | 00:16 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: the change wasn't reverted. If you look at the changelog, it's still using native amd64 flash, the problem was AFAIU that it still need ia32 libs | 00:16 |
| asac | you didnt listen what i said ;) | 00:16 |
| asac | native has no stable link ;) | 00:16 |
| asac | like in URI | 00:17 |
| asac | salty-horse: which version of nspluginwrapper are you using? | 00:17 |
| salty-horse | asac, well, I'm reading you, and I didn't understand :) | 00:17 |
| asac | works nice here in its latest form ;) | 00:17 |
| asac | salty-horse: good. understood? | 00:17 |
| salty-horse | I'm not using it ever since the native client came out :) | 00:17 |
| asac | salty-horse: right. try it and you will see ;) | 00:17 |
| asac | better than native ;) ... you can kill npviewer if it consumes too much mem | 00:18 |
| salty-horse | asac, that's right, but then I don't have flash in *any* website.. not just the offending one :) besides, now I have a new computer and I don't mind restarting firefox with all of it's tabs. | 00:19 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: are you on Jaunty amd64 now? | 00:19 |
| salty-horse | yes | 00:19 |
| asac | salty-horse: reloading pages should start it again. doesnt it? | 00:19 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: do you see grey rectangles instead of video? | 00:19 |
| salty-horse | didn't use to, AFAIR | 00:20 |
| asac | loic-m: you see that with native or our package? | 00:20 |
| salty-horse | loic-m, I put the native one in ~/.mozilla/plugin and it works just fine | 00:20 |
| salty-horse | that's ~/.mozilla/plugins | 00:20 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: do you see grey rectangles with -3ubuntu3? | 00:20 |
| salty-horse | loic-m, never used it. want me to test? | 00:21 |
| asac | for me youtube works ;) | 00:21 |
| loic-m | asac: grey rectangles are there when using 32bits flash on amd64 | 00:21 |
| salty-horse | asac, I always test with homestarrunner.com :) | 00:21 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: if you can, yes please | 00:21 |
| salty-horse | downloading the specific package.. | 00:21 |
| asac | loic-m: you mean you dont see anything or just artifacts? | 00:22 |
| loic-m | asac: 32bits flash on amd64 works once out of ten, which means you need to reload the page at least 10 times before you see anything | 00:22 |
| loic-m | asac: 64bits flash on amd64 works all the time | 00:22 |
| asac | k | 00:22 |
| directhex | ctrl-f5 is your friend! | 00:22 |
| asac | didnt experience something like that for ages | 00:22 |
| loic-m | directhex: that, and unlimited patience | 00:23 |
| salty-horse | loic-m, why aren't you using the latest version? | 00:23 |
| loic-m | asac: me neither since i've been on native flash ;) | 00:23 |
| asac | loic-m: maybe your install is wrong? | 00:23 |
| asac | could be that the wrapper took your native plugin and tried to wrap that miserably ;) | 00:24 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: I'm on intrepid. i use backported packages, and didn't even know there was a new version in Jaunty | 00:24 |
| directhex | flash in general has exploded much less for me since i worked around bug 286119 | 00:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286119 in samba "firefox 3.0.3 crashes (no SIG) on most pages w/ images when using nss_wins: 8.10beta AMD64" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286119 | 00:24 |
| asac | loic-m: if you are on intrepid you should try the jaunty nspluginwrapper | 00:24 |
| asac | that should work mostly flawless ;) | 00:24 |
| salty-horse | loic-m, so do you still want to test it? :) | 00:24 |
| directhex | if you're on jaunty you should try the jaunty moonlight-plugin-mozilla! | 00:24 |
| loic-m | asac: nope, that's flash 32 bits expected behavior on amd64, since ages. Don't know if it's better in Jaunty though | 00:24 |
| salty-horse | directhex, is that moonlight 2.0? | 00:25 |
| directhex | salty-horse, nay, only 1.0 for now | 00:25 |
| salty-horse | :( | 00:25 |
| asac | loic-m: its for sure. as i said i havent seen something like that for ages here | 00:25 |
| loic-m | asac: why would I when -3ubuntu2 is native and works flawlessly? | 00:25 |
| directhex | salty-horse, i'm in daily contact with upstream - trust me, 1.0 is best for now | 00:25 |
| salty-horse | directhex, well, it's already packaged nicely as an extension :) | 00:25 |
| asac | loic-m: until adobe changes the binary ;) ... then things blow up. thats why we cant use it yet | 00:26 |
| loic-m | salty-horse: nope, if it's confirmed -3ubuntu3 uses 32 bits flash, I'd rather stay far from the pain. | 00:26 |
| salty-horse | explosions are pretty | 00:26 |
| salty-horse | thank you, loic-m :) | 00:26 |
| asac | loic-m: take nspluginwrapper too ;) and you will like it | 00:26 |
| asac | backports i mean | 00:26 |
| loic-m | asac: I've got the binary on my install, and adobe ain't gonna change it | 00:27 |
| asac | yes, but not for new installs or upgraders | 00:27 |
| loic-m | asac: I don't support running 32bits app under amd64 | 00:27 |
| directhex | salty-horse, also an option. depends on whether you want to use the MS binary codecs, really | 00:27 |
| loic-m | asac: that's ok. For me, if there's no reason to share the pain, I'd rather enjoy web browsing instead | 00:28 |
| salty-horse | directhex, I'm not that much of a purist to mind | 00:28 |
| loic-m | I'm not a purist either, but we've been asking for 64 bits flash enough not to want to go back to square one | 00:29 |
| loic-m | 32bits flash is so 2008 | 00:29 |
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| fruchtix | slangasek: and because you asked for a statement like that in such a nice way: Catspaw (insanecats.com) is a modern woman who stands up for women rights. and she qualifies for that role. because she does not play with men like your darling helix | 01:05 |
| slangasek | fruchtix: that would be off-topic here | 01:05 |
| fruchtix | slangasek: as i said, you asked for it in such a nice way | 01:06 |
| fruchtix | slangasek: maybe you should swing from girl (helix) to a real woman who teaches you about the power of feelings, emotions and social behaviour | 01:07 |
| slangasek | !ops | 01:07 |
| ubottu | Help! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, fbond, mneptok, gnomefreak, Seveas, dholbach, elkbuntu, PriceChild, or jpatrick! | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | thanks Hobbsee | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: nice timing! I just managed to poke holes thru the uni firewall, too | 01:08 |
| slangasek | heh | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | slangasek: fwiw chanserv says you can boot trolls from here as well | 01:09 |
| * Hobbsee dumps the guy on ignore | 01:09 | |
| slangasek | oh | 01:09 |
| slangasek | right, someone did stick me with ops here, didn't they | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | that was probably me | 01:09 |
| * slangasek files that away in a different part of his brain for reference | 01:09 | |
| slangasek | I believe so :) | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | man, this guy is a complete nutter | 01:10 |
| directhex | and seems to hate erinn for some reason | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | hates me too | 01:11 |
| mrooney | Should I be using requestsync for packages not in Debian and if so, how? | 01:11 |
| directhex | mrooney, how "not in debian" is "not in debian"? some major third party repo? | 01:11 |
| mrooney | directhex: I mean, it is in Jaunty universe as an -0ubuntu1 package | 01:12 |
| mrooney | and I need an upstream sync | 01:12 |
| directhex | mrooney, oh, well no, you need to prepare that yourself | 01:12 |
| mrooney | directhex: okay, any instructions for that? | 01:12 |
| directhex | probably on the wiki. my helpfulness tails off past 1am. sorry | 01:13 |
| mrooney | Okay, I am looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess, I don't see anything for non-Debian packages | 01:25 |
| mrooney | I can file a sync request and see what happens! | 01:25 |
| RAOF | Where is it that you're syncing from? | 01:26 |
| directhex | what happens: bug marked invalid? | 01:26 |
| directhex | RAOF, nowhere. he wants an uupdate | 01:26 |
| directhex | RAOF, on a 0ubuntu1 | 01:26 |
| RAOF | Oh. | 01:26 |
| directhex | mrooney, did you notice feature freeze? is this a bugfix release? | 01:27 |
| slangasek | mrooney: "sync" refers to "there is an existing package that we can pull into the archive". If you're updating a package to a new upstream version, how is that a sync? | 01:27 |
| mneptok | slangasek: ooo! OOOOOO! i'll teach you! PICK ME! | 01:32 |
| slangasek | mneptok: about the power of feelings, emotions and social behaviour? | 01:32 |
| * Hobbsee snorts | 01:32 | |
| * mneptok preens Hobbsee | 01:33 | |
| mneptok | slangasek: mrf mmmff hrrmmm yeah *preen*preen* | 01:33 |
| * Hobbsee pets the crazy mneptok | 01:33 | |
| directhex | i'm confused :| | 01:34 |
| mneptok | or we could click like dolphins. or the ant-thing (but i hate the exertion). | 01:34 |
| directhex | i think i'll just go to bed | 01:34 |
| josephpiche | I have a question: there is a package (gnugo) that I would like build a deb for and put in a PPA. I know how to build the software normally (using make), but I don't know how to actually package it | 01:36 |
| josephpiche | is there a wiki page or or something that would help me? | 01:37 |
| RAOF | !packagingguide | 01:37 |
| ubottu | The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 01:37 |
| RAOF | josephpiche: Yes. ^^^ | 01:37 |
| josephpiche | sweet, thanks | 01:37 |
| mrooney | slangasek: well it is a sync with upstream | 01:46 |
| * Yagisan catches up on the scrollback and wonders how anyone could hate Hobbsee | 01:46 | |
| mrooney | I assumed the term "sync" derives from synchronizing the ubuntu version with its source | 01:46 |
| StevenK | But it isn't a sync in Ubuntu nomenclature | 01:46 |
| mrooney | okay | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: because he's paddy frank, and i'm female. There is no other reason | 01:47 |
| StevenK | mrooney: No, the term sync is synchronizing from Debian | 01:47 |
| mrooney | okay, that makes sense, now that I know | 01:47 |
| mrooney | so what should the bug report look like before subscribing universe sponsors? | 01:47 |
| mrooney | here is what I came with: bug 333639 | 01:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333639 in wxbanker "Please sync wxbanker 0.4.1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333639 | 01:47 |
| mrooney | I see now I should change the title | 01:47 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: s/female/an op/, I think :) | 01:48 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee, oh - I know your female - I vaguely recall meeting you when I was still young and optimistic ;) | 01:48 |
| StevenK | Haha | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: oh, was that it. I got targetted in a very "you are female" way in PM, so i just assumed it was that | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: heh :) | 01:49 |
| mrooney | StevenK: should I use "update" instead of "sync"? | 01:50 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: I believe that's tactical rather than indicative of his agenda | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: back many years ago? | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: you might be right there | 01:50 |
| StevenK | mrooney: Yup | 01:50 |
| slangasek | mrooney: that would be clearer, yes; and that would go through the generic sponsorship process | 01:50 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, yep - way back then. I must say, my beloved Ubuntu shirt is starting to wear out. Time for a new one I think. | 01:50 |
| StevenK | I'm still trying to work out his agenda, but I don't think even he knows | 01:51 |
| mrooney | slangasek: okay so, sync -> update, and subscribe u-u-s? | 01:51 |
| slangasek | mrooney: yes | 01:51 |
| mrooney | excellent, thanks! | 01:51 |
| slangasek | mrooney: as mentioned earlier, please check that if your request needs a feature freeze exception, that the bug report includes all of that relevant information | 01:52 |
| * Yagisan 's eyes glaze over as all these messages about update-manager pour into his inbox. | 01:52 | |
| slangasek | StevenK: I know but I'm not telling | 01:52 |
| mrooney | slangasek: okay, it is only a bugfix and translation update, I assume it doesn't require one? | 01:52 |
| slangasek | mrooney: "bugfix" is fuzzy - but I assume a sponsor will take it up with you if more detail is needed :) | 01:53 |
| mrooney | okay thanks again :) | 01:53 |
| mrooney | slangasek: okay one last question, I see people add comments when they subscribe sponsors like "subscribing u-u-s...", should I add one afterwards as well, or is that not important | 01:54 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, it's been so long since I last saw you - my little girl started school (and my $%#$%#%$#%$ uni degree still isn't over :( ) | 01:55 |
| slangasek | mrooney: not important - the subscription itself triggers mail to the appropriate parties | 01:55 |
| slangasek | mrooney: if *I* subscribe u-u-s to a bug, I comment to let the submitter know why it's happening | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: yeah, it has been awhile | 01:56 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, /me had, then come x-mas, didn't have a nice job as a sys-admin for Ubuntu boxes. People are still running Fiesty boxen on their networks. | 01:59 |
| * ajmitch thinks the oldest install here is probably gutsy by now | 02:00 | |
| ajmitch | though last I looked, that computer didn't even boot :) | 02:00 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, well, suggesting they go to hardy instead of making a franken-fiesty box didn't go down well. OTOH was nice to have an Ubuntu related job | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | apart from that, you've just been studying? | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | plenty of time to work on ubuntu then... | 02:02 |
| Yagisan | ha - I wish | 02:02 |
| Yagisan | enough time to realise jumping on jaunty right now would probably annoy me | 02:03 |
| StevenK | Does Jaunty want you jumping on it? | 02:03 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, it sure does. Isn't that how you fit it onto a CD ? | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah, my laptop is still running hardy | 02:04 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: I'd have to ask slangasek | 02:04 |
| * Yagisan is mixed hardy/intrepid here. | 02:04 | |
| slangasek | StevenK: jackalopes love nothing more than jumping | 02:05 |
| StevenK | That's *them* jumping, not them being jumped on | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | does it blend? | 02:06 |
| StevenK | My laptop was running Gardy at UDS Prague | 02:06 |
| * Yagisan can imagine a rabbit in a blender actually. buzzzzzzzzzzzz chunk chunk buzzzzzzzz .... | 02:08 | |
| * Yagisan now needs to make an important decision - save some money and get a Phenom x3 for my virtual machine server, or bite the bullet and get a Phenom II x3 | 02:10 | |
| tomhinkle | Hi all -- I'm an upstream developer who recently has (inadvertently) gotten into a conflict with the upstream packager of my software (i.e. a MOTU) and I was looking for some advice. Is this an okay forum to ask questions of this kind? | 02:14 |
| RAOF | Absolutely. | 02:17 |
| RAOF | tomhinkle: What is the problem? | 02:18 |
| tomhinkle | The packager of my package is upset that I provide .deb files of my bleeding-edge releases for users on SF. Is this generally discouraged? I find I have a large number of users who want to try the newest packages (more than once every 6 months) and it's handy. | 02:18 |
| RAOF | That should be fine; we should be able to easily filter out those bug reports. | 02:19 |
| RAOF | Perhaps the packager was annoyed that you have a debian/ directory in the releases you ship? | 02:19 |
| tomhinkle | He asked me to get rid of that when he first packaged and I did. | 02:20 |
| tomhinkle | Then after I realized my users were struggling to build from source, I used his debian/ directory as a basis for my own releases (he'd made a number of fixes to the packaging that I took on) | 02:20 |
| tomhinkle | So now I'm releasing tarballs + .debs upstream, but the tarball has no debian/ directory. | 02:20 |
| RAOF | Hm. That seems strange. I don't know why a MOTU would be complaining about that. | 02:20 |
| tomhinkle | Yeah, that's what I thought. He's been upset about it for a while and we exchanged e-mails -- now he's said he's going to stop packaging the software. I wanted to check if I was breaking some established norms or something. | 02:21 |
| RAOF | No. Not from what you've said here. | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | er, that seems reasonable | 02:22 |
| tomhinkle | Hrmph. Well, that's good and bad for me I guess. Good because it seems reasonable, bad because it doesn't give me any information about why he's so mad. | 02:22 |
| * Hobbsee agrees with RAOF about it being strange that a MOTU is complaining about it | 02:23 | |
| ajmitch | the main reason I could see him complaining would be if the packages broke upgrades | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | but the packager should be able to sort through that with you | 02:24 |
| tomhinkle | That may be what's happened -- he mentioned the package being broken, but didn't get into specifics. He seemed to think I would just stop releasing them. | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | if that's gourmet, are you aware of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/grecipe-manager/+bugs? | 02:25 |
| tomhinkle | It is and I am -- is there something in that list that sticks out as a particular problem. | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | (as a somewhat unrelated statement) | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | no, i just noticed it existed | 02:26 |
| tomhinkle | ah, I see. | 02:27 |
| tomhinkle | Alright -- well thanks for your input. It doesn't look like there's too much I can do at this point. I'll offer to fix any packaging errors he points out in my .deb if the problem is that they're breaking updates. | 02:29 |
| tonyyarusso | what's the page for figuring out what's causing a segfault again? | 02:32 |
| anakron | ping Laney : hey, can you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcad/+bug/311476 | 06:17 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 311476 in qcad "qcad menu entry lacks a category" [Low,Triaged] | 06:18 |
| anakron | persia, can you look it please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcad/+bug/311476 | 06:18 |
| anakron | hi all, hi persia and Laney | 06:18 |
| anakron | or this one | 06:20 |
| anakron | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firestarter/+bug/301603 | 06:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 301603 in firestarter "Impossible to launch firestarter" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:20 |
| anakron | if someone can see them and review my patches | 06:21 |
| anakron | and the last one | 06:26 |
| anakron | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpfsgui/+bug/309740 | 06:26 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 309740 in qtpfsgui "no menu icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:26 |
| * RAOF should, perhaps, not have picked beagle as my first evolution-sharp transition upload. | 06:45 | |
| tonyyarusso | How can I figure out the value of a variable (in C) while my program is running? | 06:53 |
| tonyyarusso | It's not crashing, but I suspect something isn't being set right. | 06:53 |
| StevenK | Use gdb? | 06:54 |
| dtchen_ | and your friendly print | 06:55 |
| tonyyarusso | dtchen_: I don't really have a good place to print it, so while I could, it would likely be more work. | 06:56 |
| tonyyarusso | StevenK: I figured that would be involved, but I'm not familiar with gdb beyond the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace. Looking through output from that now to see if it's already there. | 06:56 |
| dtchen_ | huh? meaning not even setting breakpoints is feasible? | 06:56 |
| StevenK | tonyyarusso: gdb supports 'print <var>' | 06:56 |
| tonyyarusso | oooooh, sweet | 06:57 |
| StevenK | tonyyarusso: Set a breakpoint and poke around | 06:57 |
| tonyyarusso | erm, breakpoint? like, just 'break' in the code and kill it? | 06:57 |
| fabrice_sp | tonyyarusso, when needed to set a breakpoint, I use DDD | 07:00 |
| fabrice_sp | it's a gdb frontend | 07:00 |
| tonyyarusso | fabrice_sp: that's another package? | 07:01 |
| fabrice_sp | yes | 07:01 |
| fabrice_sp | called DDD :-) | 07:01 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:06 |
| fabrice_sp | good morning dholbach ;-) | 07:06 |
| dholbach | hiya fabrice_sp! :-) | 07:06 |
| tonyyarusso | fabrice_sp: man, that interface looked more confusing, not less... | 07:15 |
| fabrice_sp | tonyyarusso, I myself find it more useful to go through the source, but it's as you want | 07:17 |
| tonyyarusso | fabrice_sp: maybe once you know how to use it? dunno. | 07:18 |
| tonyyarusso | although in gdb proper I can't manage to define a break either. | 07:18 |
| tonyyarusso | (gdb) break save_pounce_cb | 07:18 |
| tonyyarusso | Function "save_pounce_cb" not defined. | 07:18 |
| tonyyarusso | Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) | 07:18 |
| StevenK | tonyyarusso: No, specify the file and line number | 07:21 |
| tonyyarusso | StevenK: that gives me "No source file named gntpounce.c" | 07:24 |
| tonyyarusso | oh, I suppose it needs a path to it. | 07:28 |
| tonyyarusso | nope, not that either | 07:28 |
| ara | morning! | 07:31 |
| tonyyarusso | StevenK: do you know what that would mean? | 07:36 |
| hyperair | hey what happened to revu? it seems to have disappeared | 07:41 |
| hyperair | $ host revu.ubuntuwire.com | 07:41 |
| hyperair | Host revu.ubuntuwire.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) | 07:41 |
| savvas | ScottK: any other packages in order to remove boost 1.34 completely?:) | 07:58 |
| mok0 | hyperair: try revu.tauware.de | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | what happens with revu ? is it down ? | 09:36 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/ | 09:37 |
| * Yagisan suggests someone update the topic to pint everyone looking for revu to the .org address | 09:37 | |
| dholbach | http://www.ubuntuwire.com/ | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: you've just volunteered yourself | 09:37 |
| slytherin | Tonio_: use .org instead of .com | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | slytherin: oki | 09:38 |
| dholbach | slytherin: aha! | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: yeah that was my problem... | 09:38 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, you really want to give me op's etc ??? I may even have time to google up how to keep it | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | slytherin: is that permanent change ? | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: topic isn't locked | 09:39 |
| geser | Tonio_: AFAIR someone is working on getting .com back (it didn't got renewed) | 09:40 |
| dholbach | Tonio_: the .com address expired - I think sistpoty and siretart talked to imbrandon about it | 09:40 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch, O-o | 09:43 |
| === Yagisan changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Jaunty Feature Freeze in effect - Go fix bugs! | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Fix RC bugs: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/bugs/rcbugs | Help to clear NBS list: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ | Revu is at http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/ | ||
| Yagisan | ajmitch, better ? | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach, geser: oki | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: I guess :) | 09:45 |
| savvas | is there a team for lpia builds? | 09:54 |
| hyperair | mok0: okay i will thanks | 09:58 |
| mok0 | hyperair: .org works too | 10:00 |
| slytherin | savvas: AFAIK, no. | 10:05 |
| slytherin | savvas: What builds you are talking about, by the way? | 10:05 |
| savvas | slytherin: http://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/ppa/+build/880883 - libatlas-base-dev dependency is missing | 10:17 |
| slytherin | savvas: the build has failed on lpia - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/atlas/+builds See if you can debug the build failure. | 10:22 |
| savvas | slytherin: ah, thanks, I'll take a peek :) | 10:22 |
| * slytherin loves solving recursive FTBFS. :-D | 10:45 | |
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| ScottK | savvas: cgal and btk-core I think are the only two. | 11:15 |
| hggdh | dholbach, ping | 11:17 |
| dholbach | hggdh: pong | 11:17 |
| hggdh | good morning -- question: a get-orig-source is expected to be a manual target, correct? | 11:18 |
| hggdh | dholbach, ^^ | 11:19 |
| dholbach | hggdh: yep | 11:21 |
| hggdh | dholbach, k. another: although a build usually is not expected to run automake/conf/etc, should I adjust configure.in also? | 11:24 |
| dholbach | hggdh: in which way to you want to adjust it? | 11:24 |
| hggdh | dholbach, bloody thing recreates ./debian/changelog, among others | 11:25 |
| hggdh | so I wanted tp make sure it does not | 11:25 |
| hggdh | and I was getting tired of seeing my ./debian/changelog vanishing on each make | 11:26 |
| dholbach | ahhhhhhhhh, that's that thing where upstream does their own debian/ stuff | 11:27 |
| dholbach | sounds like a good idea to add a patch that modifies configure.in to not do that - indeed | 11:28 |
| hggdh | dholbach, thank you. Should have a new source package in a few | 11:29 |
| savvas | anyone else having problems with gmail? | 11:29 |
| dholbach | hggdh: excellent | 11:29 |
| hggdh | savvas, gmail is working here (3 accounts) | 11:33 |
| hggdh | savvas, correction: *was* working :-( | 11:33 |
| savvas | heh | 11:34 |
| savvas | :) | 11:34 |
| savvas | hggdh: 502 error? | 11:34 |
| savvas | ScottK: ok, sent patch for cgal: bug 331911 - I don't know how much luck mok0 had with upstream about btk-core, but I'm trying out a patch for boost1.35 anyway: http://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building | 11:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331911 in cgal "FTBFS on Jaunty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331911 | 11:38 |
| hggdh | savvas, I do not know (did not try via HTTP) -- I am getting SSL negotiation failure on POP3 | 11:38 |
| hggdh | hum. Now I am getting generic DNS resolution errors across the board | 11:42 |
| stefanlsd | savvas: my gmail doesnt work either | 11:42 |
| savvas | cc1plus: warning: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-long-double" | 11:43 |
| savvas | oops | 11:43 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, can someone help me with generating symbols control file, I understand that I should use dpkg-gensymbols, but dunno how | 12:45 |
| james_w | directhex/Laney: are you familiar with the evolution-sharp 5.0 transition? stefanlsd has posted debdiffs, and I just wanted to check if there was anything special to be aware of before I sponsored. | 12:49 |
| Laney | james_w: I think RAOF is the man for that | 12:49 |
| directhex | james_w, i've not been dealing with it... i think RAOF is your man | 12:50 |
| Laney | HIGH FIVE! | 12:50 |
| stefanlsd | hehe | 12:50 |
| james_w | heh :-) | 12:50 |
| directhex | in his oh-so-useful timezone | 12:50 |
| stefanlsd | i think thats an unanimous agreement. | 12:50 |
| stefanlsd | also kinda weird actually | 12:51 |
| james_w | stefanlsd: would you do me a favour and install the tasque that you built and have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasque/+bug/313683 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasque/+bug/319385 to confirm they are fixed? | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 313683 in tasque "Tasque 0.1.8-1 does not provide any backends" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:52 |
| stefanlsd | james_w: will do | 12:52 |
| directhex | sniff sniff, smells like mono-addins 0.4-2 | 12:52 |
| directhex | no, actual evo# bugs. wheee! | 12:53 |
| directhex | i assume errors about things missing are caused by that ;) | 12:53 |
| james_w | yeah tasque could use some triage love, I suspect several of the newer bugs are this problem | 12:54 |
| directhex | bam! @ monodevelop | 12:55 |
| directhex | the last 2 addins are there now, only an ickle bit past FF | 12:55 |
| Laney | worketh it? | 12:56 |
| directhex | just in need of a loving sponsor (yes, i test-built in pbuilder) | 12:56 |
| Laney | did you remember to update-maintainer?! | 12:56 |
| directhex | for once! :o | 12:56 |
| Laney | !!! | 12:56 |
| james_w | heh | 12:56 |
| james_w | Laney: are you going to sponsor those? | 12:56 |
| Laney | not now, at work | 12:57 |
| Laney | feel free | 12:57 |
| stefanlsd | i wonder if i work more on work or more on ubuntu at work | 12:57 |
| Laney | actually maybe not even today if I can't fix xorg | 12:57 |
| directhex | stefanlsd, shhhhhhhhh! | 12:57 |
| Laney | heh | 12:57 |
| Laney | there's some kind of pancake cooking going on right outside my office door | 12:58 |
| Laney | but I haven't been invited :( | 12:58 |
| directhex | ooh, pancakes! | 12:58 |
| Laney | I'll just walk through reeeeeeeally slowly | 12:58 |
| Laney | looking hungry | 12:58 |
| stefanlsd | mm. tasque is actually pretty cool | 12:59 |
| Laney | yep | 12:59 |
| Laney | is evo# in debian? | 12:59 |
| Laney | yep | 12:59 |
| Laney | stefanlsd: please forward patches | 13:00 |
| stefanlsd | Laney: the rebuild patches for lib-evolution3.0-cil to debian? | 13:07 |
| Laney | stefanlsd: are there changes? I didn't check it out | 13:08 |
| Laney | no-change rebuilds will be ok | 13:08 |
| stefanlsd | Laney: yeah, no change. Just build-deps | 13:08 |
| Laney | ok | 13:08 |
| Laney | check whether RAOF will just do it himself then | 13:09 |
| stefanlsd | james_w: both those bugs appear to be fixed. I do get backends. ie. EDS, local file and something called remember the milk | 13:10 |
| james_w | stefanlsd: thanks for testing | 13:11 |
| james_w | stefanlsd: I'll add the bug numbers to the changelog | 13:11 |
| directhex | stefanlsd, RTM is a website | 13:13 |
| directhex | http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ | 13:13 |
| stefanlsd | directhex: yeah. figured it was some backend that would keep a task list for you | 13:13 |
| stefanlsd | asac: were you doing something with google gears 64? | 13:14 |
| asac | stefanlsd: not sure. do we have a package? | 13:15 |
| asac | ;) | 13:15 |
| stefanlsd | asac: heh. someone was saying something about it. thought it was you. (i also wanna get it in actually) | 13:19 |
| asac | stefanlsd: i think i commented on a packaging request? | 13:20 |
| asac | cant remember | 13:20 |
| slytherin | gmail is back. :-) | 13:28 |
| RainCT | Hey | 13:32 |
| RainCT | jpds: I've just asked - "shouldn't be a problem" if I skip classes for UDS \o/ | 13:33 |
| Laney | :O! | 13:33 |
| directhex | RainCT, the last day of UDS is my wife's birthday, which doesn't bode well for attendance :| | 13:33 |
| Laney | RainCT: did you apply for sponsorship? | 13:33 |
| Laney | directhex: bring her! | 13:33 |
| RainCT | Laney: Nope. I wouldn't feel well doing so being only 30 minutes away from BCN :) | 13:34 |
| Laney | hah | 13:34 |
| * Laney will apply | 13:34 | |
| stefanlsd | fta: do you know of any work on packaging google gears for 64? | 13:36 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: I have it on my TODO :) | 13:36 |
| RainCT | feel free to take it if you want, though | 13:37 |
| slicer | I could use a bit of advice on bug #333573 . It fails to build since we've added Qt 4.5.0-rc1, which changes the way qmake works. I have a workaround ready, which I'll submit to debian, which should eventually result in a new package version available for syncing. At that point, I'll request a new sync. What do I do with the sync request I already have? Just mark it Invalid? | 13:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333573 in mumble "Please sync mumble 1.1.7-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333573 | 13:37 |
| RainCT | nhandler: about your merge request, that's not a bug but a feature :P | 13:37 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: oh cool. yeah. I think i'll start it out and get it into revu at least. Did you say you possibly had a ffe for it? | 13:37 |
| directhex | Laney, if you get to UDS and i don't, then you're gonna have to be the pkg-mono spokesman! | 13:37 |
| Laney | directhex: I will be your mouthpiece! | 13:38 |
| Laney | we should both go and crush the free desktop dream for good | 13:38 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: not yet, but 64 bit support is (according to asac) a good rationale :) | 13:38 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: kk. thanks | 13:38 |
| directhex | Laney, why are we asking canonical for sponsorship? getthefacts@microsoft.com! | 13:38 |
| directhex | Laney, they'll help! | 13:39 |
| Laney | haha | 13:39 |
| slytherin | directhex: Laney both of you should now take the microsoft certification for .net developers. :-P | 13:43 |
| directhex | slytherin, i don't believe in vendor certs. they lack "heart" | 13:43 |
| directhex | slytherin, i'd gladly make a macaroni picture depicting my work with c# for any prospective employer, though | 13:44 |
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| hyperair | when there's stuff in debian/tmp or wherever, just run dpkg-gensymbols | patch bla.symbols | 13:49 |
| james_w | slicer: you can just edit the old sponsorship request to request the new version | 13:52 |
| RainCT | «Ggfgf says: Oh look a Growl ripoff Mark Shuttleworth says: Oh look, an anonymous coward.» lol | 13:57 |
| slicer | james_w: Ok, thanks :) | 14:01 |
| ScottK | RainCT: Where is this? | 14:10 |
| savvas | ScottK: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/265 | 14:11 |
| ScottK | savvas: Thanks. | 14:12 |
| savvas | np :) | 14:12 |
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| AdamDH | hi all, what's the best way to find out what dependancies my package requires in order to be built from source? | 15:08 |
| bmm | The wiki states revu.ubuntuwire.com and my default /etc/dput.cf also states .com but it seems to be revu.ubuntuwire.org is that correct? | 15:09 |
| directhex | bmm, yup | 15:10 |
| directhex | AdamDH, a new package? try building it in a pbuilder, and keep fixing control until it works | 15:11 |
| bmm | K, then somebody needs to have the default dput changed and the wiki should be changed. Somebody with rights should get on it ;) | 15:11 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 15:12 |
| directhex | afternoon bazza | 15:13 |
| AdamDH | directhex: its a new package, will do that and keep modifying as required | 15:16 |
| bmm | New packages should be set to karmic instead of jaunty, right? | 15:24 |
| rexbron | bmm: we are in a feature freeze, so unless you file for an exception, that is correct | 15:25 |
| bmm | rexbron: thought so, thanks! | 15:25 |
| AdamDH | the .PHONY tag do I need to list each example: I use in my rules? say if I use one called extract: does that need to be listed? | 15:34 |
| directhex | .PHONY is your friend | 15:37 |
| hyperair | AdamDH: i don't think it's required, but it's good to add all rules that don't refer to a file to .PHONY | 15:39 |
| hyperair | AdamDH: as in, if i have a rule foo, that generates a file called foo, then don't add it to .PHONY, otherwise do so | 15:40 |
| directhex | e.g. clean | 15:40 |
| directhex | you really want clean in .PHONY ;) | 15:41 |
| AdamDH | clean is the rule I am having problems with now hence my question as what ever I do it does not seem to run | 15:42 |
| savvas | AdamDH: try clean:: instead of clean: :) | 15:46 |
| AdamDH | what does the extra : do? | 15:46 |
| savvas | I have no idea, I'm still learning, but it makes it run :) | 15:47 |
| savvas | good question though, what does it do? | 15:47 |
| AdamDH | im still learning as well, I am good with shell scripts just learning the way debian handles creating packages | 15:49 |
| savvas | well, debian/rules is a makefile | 15:50 |
| savvas | it's better to wait for someone else to reply, I'm really not that good :) | 15:51 |
| hyperair | adding rules to .PHONY basically means run the rule even if there is a file by that name | 15:51 |
| AdamDH | what about if its not ran when added to .PHONY? | 15:53 |
| savvas | there should an error message then about it | 15:53 |
| AdamDH | i will take a look at the logs once once in case I missed something | 15:54 |
| AdamDH | this is my rules: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122435/ I get no error on clean | 16:01 |
| ScottK | savvas: I fixed the depends problem on lpia for cgal. Now there's a header path issue: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/+build/881158 | 16:02 |
| hyperair | hmm is it possible to create a karmic pbuilder yet? | 16:03 |
| hyperair | AdamDH, savvas: rule:: means that you can declare it multiple times, and they're appended | 16:03 |
| hyperair | basically i can have somerule:: something at the top, and then somerule:: somethingelse at the bottom, and then it'll just append everything | 16:03 |
| hyperair | it's used a lot in CDBS | 16:03 |
| hyperair | basically CDBS declares the rules with ::, so you can hook onto the end of them and run some stuff | 16:03 |
| ScottK | I notice now that there's a rules change needed too. | 16:04 |
| AdamDH | this is my rules files, http://paste.ubuntu.com/122435/ not sure why clean is not been ran | 16:06 |
| AdamDH | will append a : | 16:06 |
| AdamDH | just not seen a clean: in the examples so was looking to see if anything else was wrong | 16:06 |
| AdamDH | clean:: sorry | 16:07 |
| stefanlsd | yay. built a x86_64 xpi of google gears. seems to work ok. | 16:08 |
| AdamDH | ah got it to work | 16:13 |
| Laney | stefanlsd: can you hax it to work with ff 3.1 at all? | 16:14 |
| AdamDH | if I paste my working rules files in a mo can some one just take a look to see if I missed anything? I will then add it to my ppa so I can get a few people to try it | 16:14 |
| stefanlsd | Laney: can have a look at it. i was just gonna start packaging a .deb now so we can maaaybe get it into jaunty | 16:15 |
| stefanlsd | Laney: do you want to try this xpi in 3.1? | 16:16 |
| RainCT | ls | 16:16 |
| stefanlsd | hehe | 16:16 |
| RainCT | :$ | 16:16 |
| AdamDH | my clean rule is ran at the start of the build but not after the build so it leaves temp files lying about any ideas why? | 16:18 |
| RainCT | AdamDH: that's the expected behaviour | 16:19 |
| AdamDH | ah did not know that | 16:19 |
| RainCT | AdamDH: you can run fakeroot debian/rules clean to clean up the source directory | 16:19 |
| Laney | stefanlsd: I will later. I tried it from google's site and it wasn't compatible. I just wondered if you haxed the xpi whether it would work | 16:21 |
| RainCT | if someone from motu-sru is around please have a look at bug #333902 | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333902 in webboard "Please upgrade webboard to version 0.2.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333902 | 16:22 |
| AdamDH | thanks RainCT I was not expecting that behaviour | 16:26 |
| RainCT | AdamDH: No problem. It's useful in case you have to debug something, etc. | 16:26 |
| AdamDH | this is my final rules file and it creates a working deb http://paste.ubuntu.com/122444/ can any one tell me if there is anything I could improve? | 16:28 |
| RainCT | uhh nice :) | 16:29 |
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| * RainCT falls asleep waiting for Launchpad to load a page :'( | 16:38 | |
| RainCT | oh, it opened | 16:39 |
| AdamDH | RainCT launchpad seems slow today, trying to upload a package to my ppa seems to be taking its time | 16:51 |
| RainCT | not only today, it feel it like this since a few weeks already | 16:53 |
| AdamDH | well we are on alpha4 so probally the reason why! | 16:54 |
| RainCT | nobody uses alpha 4 (compared with the amount of people who will use the final version..) | 16:55 |
| maxb | AdamDH: for the sanity of everyone else who ever needs to look at that rules file, *please* use standard 1-tab indentation | 16:58 |
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| maxb | also, as I've said before, the entire concept of remove-patch-stamp is fundamentally invalid | 16:59 |
| maxb | furthermore, use CURDIR | 16:59 |
| AdamDH | maxb, forgot I still have the clean patches in there I will remove that, I will clean up the rules a little | 17:01 |
| maxb | Also, cd-ing just to exec rm is overcomplicating things, rm -f $(CURDIR)/whatever | 17:02 |
| AdamDH | I always considered cding more robust | 17:04 |
| AdamDH | I will alter all these small things and get it put into my ppa | 17:04 |
| AdamDH | maxb I am using msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 as my version as I am applying a patch to the upstream binutils. If my next package is msp430-gcc-3.2.3-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 in control for the next package how do I tell it to depend on msp430-binutils? just put msp430-binutils-2.18? | 17:09 |
| maxb | msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 is not a version, nor a package_version fragment of a dpkg filename, please clarify what you actually mean | 17:10 |
| AdamDH | I used msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 as the version for my package, where msp430-binutils-2.18 was the upstream version and the rest showing the patch came from cvs | 17:11 |
| AdamDH | I came up with that after asking for advice here | 17:11 |
| maxb | No, 2.18 is the upstream version | 17:11 |
| AdamDH | yup thats what I said? | 17:12 |
| maxb | You said msp430-binutils-2.18 | 17:12 |
| AdamDH | sorry yes see what you mean | 17:12 |
| AdamDH | 2.18 is the upstream version and msp430-binutils is the package | 17:12 |
| maxb | 2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 is a bad version because versions should not contain multiple - characters unless the upstream version does | 17:13 |
| maxb | s/does/contains any/ | 17:13 |
| AdamDH | my version should be 2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.2009022 | 17:13 |
| maxb | Is the patch contained within your .diff.gz? Or is part of the patch applied in the .orig.tar.gz ? | 17:14 |
| maxb | Where is the cvs repository in question? | 17:15 |
| AdamDH | mspgcc.sf.net is where the CVS repository is | 17:16 |
| AdamDH | I am applying it to the upstream source and the patch is contained within the tar.gz I do not have have a .orig.tar.gz I just called it binutils-2.18.tar.gz and applied the patch to that | 17:17 |
| AdamDH | I created the patch from CVS sources | 17:17 |
| maxb | binutils-2.18.tar.gz is horribly misleading because that is a name that is used by a real upstream binutils release | 17:18 |
| AdamDH | yup maxb I agree but my patch is applied to that upsream release to create a cross compiler | 17:19 |
| AdamDH | the whole project is a mess and missleading | 17:19 |
| AdamDH | so it seemed better to show what upstream version I was working on | 17:19 |
| maxb | The cvs repo you pointed me to contains "binutils/NO_LONGER_MAINTAINED" that requests people now use official binutils releases, so where's the patch coming from? | 17:21 |
| maxb | "The standard binutils package, available at http://sources.redhat.com/binutils, now contains this MSP430 support. " says the website | 17:21 |
| AdamDH | that is not true, the patches are inside packaging/patches | 17:22 |
| AdamDH | the mailing list discusses what patches need to be applied to create a working version, nothing has been taken upstream | 17:22 |
| AdamDH | so there is 3 patches to be applied to 2.18 before it will work with all msp430 devices | 17:22 |
| maxb | You might consider asking upstream to fix their website, then :-) | 17:23 |
| AdamDH | maxb its all a mess so my packages were supposed to take the headache out and leave programmers to programme instead of spending hours getting a working toolchain | 17:24 |
| AdamDH | my binutils package works and so does gcc just need to work on libc | 17:24 |
| maxb | Right. The nicest way to package this is to use the *original* *upstream* binutils-2.18 tarball, and to include the three patchfiles from mspgcc cvs within the debian/patches/ directory of your package, and to apply them in debian/rules | 17:25 |
| maxb | Your version number then can simply be 2.18-0ubuntu1 | 17:27 |
| AdamDH | my package uses the orginal upstream tar ball and inclues the patches in a folder called patches, the patch as they just give the modified files on the cvs and expect you to copy over to the upstream source, I instead created a patch that could be applied to the upstream source. But how do I show what revision the patch is as that comes from CVS? | 17:27 |
| AdamDH | *tarball | 17:27 |
| AdamDH | if I keep with the 2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090224 in the control for gcc that depends on binutils what do I put? just msp430-binutils and it uses what ever version is in the ppa? | 17:28 |
| maxb | <AdamDH> my package uses the orginal upstream tar ball and inclues the patches in a folder called patches, the patch as they just give the modified files on the cvs and expect you to copy over to the upstream source, I instead created a patch that could be applied to the upstream source. But how do I show what revision the patch is as that comes from CVS? | 17:30 |
| maxb | huh? | 17:30 |
| maxb | I see three patch files for 2.18 in the cvs directory you pointed me to | 17:30 |
| AdamDH | ah there are now, gcc has no patches tho that is the same case as before | 17:33 |
| maxb | OK, but since binutils does have patches, I stand by what I said. | 17:35 |
| AdamDH | so you would just call it by its upstream name in the case of binutils? | 17:39 |
| maxb | AdamDH: I suggest you've reached the point where you should put your binutils package at least to REVU | 17:49 |
| AdamDH | I have a PPA on launchpad will that do? | 17:55 |
| maxb | AdamDH: PPAs build binaries, REVU doesn't, but it allows users to add comments. | 18:02 |
| AdamDH | i will take a look at revu | 18:02 |
| maxb | wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 18:02 |
| hyperair | does anyone knoew if karmic packages will be reviewed? =\ | 18:04 |
| hyperair | can you even get a chroot for testing on karmic? | 18:04 |
| RainCT | hyperair: that depends on how generous you are :P | 18:04 |
| ScottK | Not until after Jaunty release most likely. | 18:04 |
| hyperair | RainCT: how generous *I* am? | 18:05 |
| hyperair | RainCT: if i'm very generous, then the revu queue will grow bigger ;) | 18:06 |
| RainCT | heh | 18:09 |
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| fabrice_sp_ | Hi, pigment-python is marked as FTBFS in qa.ubutnuwire.org/ftbfs, but I've built it successfully with an updated sbuild. I think that the dependency was compiling when the build was running (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23007901/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.pigment-python_0.3.10-1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz). Is it possible for some admin to relaunch the build? Or do I have to force a new version with a debdiff? | 19:00 |
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| pochu | fabrice_sp: if it's in universe, I can retry it | 19:02 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi pochu! yes, it's in universe | 19:02 |
| fabrice_sp | :-D | 19:03 |
| pochu | err | 19:03 |
| pochu | fabrice_sp: it didn't FTBFS, it's DEPWAIT | 19:03 |
| pochu | fabrice_sp: it will be built once the dependency it needs is available | 19:03 |
| savvas | ScottK: I forgot who, but someone in the channel suggested that we could also debug the atlas problem: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/atlas/+builds | 19:03 |
| pochu | so nothing to retry ;) | 19:03 |
| ScottK | savvas: atlas is a hairy mess. I'd prefer to avoid it if we can. If you can fix that, it'd be wonderful. | 19:04 |
| savvas | pochu: in PPA? they're automatically retried once the dependency is satisfied? | 19:04 |
| pochu | savvas: no, in the archive | 19:04 |
| savvas | ah, I was prepared for a hug :P | 19:05 |
| pochu | savvas: I guess it's the same in the PPA, but I'm not sure | 19:05 |
| fabrice_sp | hmm: pigment 0.3.14 has been build :-/ | 19:05 |
| emgent | hello | 19:05 |
| savvas | ScottK: I'll try both sides, see what can be done :) | 19:05 |
| fabrice_sp | pochu, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23033637/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.pigment_0.3.14-1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz. (14 hours ago). What is the frequency of the retry? | 19:06 |
| a|wen | fabrice_sp: did the binaries get out of binary new? | 19:07 |
| fabrice_sp | a|wen, good point. How can I check that? | 19:07 |
| a|wen | fabrice_sp: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pigment/0.3.14-1/+build/879857 ... look to the right | 19:08 |
| a|wen | fabrice_sp: "Binaries awaiting acceptance:" so not yet | 19:08 |
| fabrice_sp | got it! | 19:09 |
| a|wen | :) | 19:09 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks and sorry for the noise :-) | 19:09 |
| savvas | architecture armel in ubuntu is arm in debian? | 19:21 |
| ScottK | savvas: No. armel in bother | 19:22 |
| ScottK | bother/both | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Debian released Lenny with arm and armel, but arm is to be dropped soonish. | 19:22 |
| savvas | oh, ok :) | 19:22 |
| savvas | ScottK: is it similar to arm, something like i386 with lpia? | 19:25 |
| savvas | with = and | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Not exactly, but not so far off. | 19:25 |
| ScottK | I don't recall exactly. | 19:25 |
| * savvas crosses fingers | 19:31 | |
| savvas | I've noticed that in atlas there's not a folder for lpia nor for armel in debian/, but there is one for the rest of the architectures | 19:32 |
| savvas | I'll have to make a pbuilder for lpia for this one, seems quite big to upload to a ppa :) | 19:33 |
| salty-horse | hi. vlc on jaunty has the video detached from the controls, and it seems to not respect the "integrate video in interface" option. compiled from git it works fine... known bug? | 19:35 |
| savvas | salty-horse: known :) | 19:36 |
| salty-horse | I'm not worrying then :D | 19:37 |
| savvas | salty-horse: you should be - it's a killer bug, if they allow integration, vlc will crash: bug 314038 | 19:38 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/314038/+text) | 19:38 |
| savvas | woops | 19:38 |
| savvas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/314038 | 19:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 314038 in vlc "Integrated video interface is broken in Jaunty" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:38 |
| savvas | salty-horse: I have a package for it integrated, but vlc crashes when I press stop :P | 19:39 |
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| ianto | With the Debian Policy Manual, does anyone know what section a code analyser for C++ would come under? “utils” perhaps? | 20:02 |
| RainCT | ianto: devel? | 20:05 |
| RainCT | ianto: Btw, if you look at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/, you have the sections there but with a description :) | 20:05 |
| RainCT | (they have fancy names there, but if you look where the URLs point to you'll get the real name) | 20:05 |
| ianto | RainCT: Ah right OK thanks, I thought that devel was more for the compilers & coding tools themselves rather than analysers; although I guess that it is too a development tool :-/ | 20:06 |
| _ruben | when using module-assistant, is it possible for a -source package to have a dependency on package-x.y.z-dev, where x.y.z is the kernel version for which you want to build a kernel using module-assistant? | 20:06 |
| directhex | m-a? how retro | 20:07 |
| _ruben | never got the hang of dkms | 20:07 |
| _ruben | and dkms doesnt produce "distributable" packages, or does it? like i said, never really got the hang of that one | 20:08 |
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| RainCT | _ruben: afaik it compiles the modules at boot, so that if the kernel version changes they are just recompiled on the user's systems and the users don't have to wait for a new version | 20:08 |
| superm1 | it also has support for mkdeb or mkdsc if you want to build distributable packages | 20:09 |
| _ruben | RainCT: which is not what i want really, as i dont want a build environment on all machines | 20:09 |
| _ruben | superm1: interesting | 20:09 |
| _ruben | but the question kinda remains the same .. is just a dependency possible? | 20:10 |
| superm1 | _ruben, it's almost inevitable to have a build environment on all machines unless you can control them to never run different kernels | 20:10 |
| _ruben | superm1: i upgrade my "m-a packages" when i upgrade kernel .. no build env needed | 20:11 |
| _ruben | got a buildhost to build new packages when needed | 20:11 |
| superm1 | _ruben, well you can do the same thing with dkms, it's the same tools you need for building | 20:12 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: i have a gg 64 ff3.0+ xpi built | 20:12 |
| superm1 | _ruben, DKMS can just handle that portion for you | 20:12 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: as a .deb? | 20:13 |
| _ruben | superm1: i'll definately look into dkms once again, hopefully 3rd time's a charm ;-) | 20:14 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: xpi mainly. i just built a test .deb of the xpi following the mozilla-team extensions guidlines. so i do have a .deb and it installed. its just not really clean yet.. (changelog, copyright etc) | 20:14 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: OK. Got the source from Google Code? | 20:15 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: yeah | 20:15 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: Great. Poke me once it's ready and I'll review it :) | 20:15 |
| * RainCT hugs stefanlsd | 20:15 | |
| _ruben | as for the initial query .. i currently have 2 -source packages, but the 2nd has a dependency on a Symbols.symvers file that's created by the first .. which unless im missing something is a nasty dependency to properly fix ;) | 20:15 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: do you know if it will be acceptable to use the compiled xpi? | 20:15 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: the .xpi should be created at build time | 20:16 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: the mozilla team currently uses .xpis they get. maybe those xpi's dont contain .so's tho | 20:17 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: source is bout 300mb :| | 20:18 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: Oh (yeah, it took some time to checkout the source here but I haven't looked at it yet). Where does the xpi come from then? | 20:18 |
| RainCT | and, how are you patching it for 64bit? | 20:18 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: the make of the source generates the xpi. the source is patched to get it to compile | 20:19 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: So what's the problem? | 20:20 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: that you want to generate the xpi locally and only put the xpi into the source package to avoid the 300mb, or what? | 20:20 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: yeah. essentially | 20:21 |
| ScottK | savvas: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/+build/881570 | 20:21 |
| tonyyarusso | All right, I'm back at this and need a bit about gdb usage explained to be, specifically breakpoints and printing variables. So far whenever I've tried to set a break I get Function not defined, make depend on future shared library? | 20:21 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: 19M gears/ | 20:22 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: did you get ride of the .svn directories? | 20:22 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: i did. i also builds against some of the 3rd party stuff. need to check exactly what. i know gecko_1.8 and gecko_1.9. | 20:23 |
| stefanlsd | and theres a hack there also. You need to copy the xulrunner-dev xpcom 64 .so's over those... | 20:24 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: that third_party directory looks really evil :P | 20:24 |
| savvas | ScottK: that's great! one more to go then :) | 20:24 |
| RainCT | stefanlsd: well, best ask asac if you have any problem, he's the real Fx master :) | 20:24 |
| ScottK | savvas: mok0 filed a removal bug for btk-core, so I think we're done. | 20:25 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: kk. will do. I essentially wanna find out if we need to go from source. if so, i'll start cleaning it up, hopefully get the size down | 20:25 |
| savvas | ScottK: does that mean that atlas wasn't necessary? | 20:25 |
| stefanlsd | RainCT: at least then we can also link against the ubuntu build time libaries. | 20:25 |
| ScottK | It will build without it. If you look in debian/control you'll see it's excluded on quite a number of architectures. | 20:26 |
| savvas | true, I missed that | 20:31 |
| ScottK | savvas: You've been a big help on this. | 20:34 |
| savvas | ScottK: I wish I could provide more help, but my knowledge in programming and packaging is limited - it was good for learning and practice! Do you have anything else similar on transitions? :) | 20:40 |
| Teddy___ | Ubuntu has an old version of my package. How can I make sure the newer (actually working) version is included in Jaunty? | 20:41 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: What package? | 20:41 |
| ScottK | savvas: Nothing comes immediately to mind. | 20:42 |
| ScottK | Getting rid of old GCC versionsis always 'fun'. | 20:42 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: "mandos" | 20:42 |
| savvas | mandos seems to be taken from debian | 20:44 |
| savvas | http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=mandos | 20:44 |
| Teddy___ | savvas: Yes, it is. | 20:44 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: Is it just bug fixing between what we have and what's in Debian? | 20:45 |
| Teddy___ | savvas: But Debian now has version 1.0.5-1, and will soon have 1.0.7-1, but Ubuntu is still on 1.0.2... | 20:45 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: Yes, more or less. | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: Ubuntu works on 6 month release cycles. In the first part of the cycle we automatically sync packages from Debian that we get unmodified from them. At this point a sync would have to be requested. | 20:46 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: ... So what do I do? The 1.0.2 version has some rather bad bugs, and 1.0.7 is completely compatible with only minor feature additions. | 20:47 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: Or since the latest version isn't in Debian yet, you could file a bug in Launchpad and attach the .diff.gz to the bug. If you 1.0.7-1/-0ubuntu1 and unstable/jaunty your package should be equally good for Ubuntu | 20:47 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: Since we are post feature freeze for this release you'll need to give the information for a feature freeze exception. | 20:48 |
| savvas | I think it fits the freeze exception :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze%20Exceptions | 20:48 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: ...And what information is that? And to whom do I give it? | 20:49 |
| ScottK | You put it in the bug and subscribe motu-release to the bug. It's described in the link savvas just gave you. | 20:49 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: Thanks, I'll check it out. | 20:50 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: To report a bug on launchpad, I'll have to register Yet Another Damn Account... | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Yes. Yes you will. | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Sorry. | 20:59 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: And it doesn't even support OpenID | 20:59 |
| ScottK | It does, but only as a provider. It'd actually be better if supported it less from a security perspective. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | For developers Launchpad passwords have actual security implications which makes OpenID completely inappropriate. | 21:00 |
| aeg37 | hello everyone | 21:06 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: I'll drop this for now; I don't like registering new accounts all the time. Maybe someone else has an existing Launchpad account. | 21:12 |
| ScottK | Teddy___: Ping me after it's in Debian | 21:13 |
| Teddy___ | ScottK: Ping? Sure, will do. | 21:14 |
| jdstrand | \sh: hi-- on bug #331410, were you able to reproduce it? | 21:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331410 in net-snmp "CVE-2008-6123: not fixed in latest security releases" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331410 | 21:15 |
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| ScottK | savvas: If you want another puzzle, there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bmpx/0.40.14-1ubuntu1/+build/876596 | 21:28 |
| ScottK | That will also block the boost removal. | 21:28 |
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| savvas | hm.. checking for C64_clockSpeed in -lsidplay... no | 21:38 |
| savvas | configure: error: libsidplay 1.x not found! | 21:38 |
| savvas | dependency error? | 21:38 |
| savvas | I'll check it out | 21:39 |
| RainCT | jpds: What do you think about backporting espeak? (The version in Jaunty has support for Catalan :)). | 21:55 |
| ScottK | I suspect it'll end up being a kernel bug, but I don't know for sure. I didn't have time to research it. | 21:55 |
| RainCT | bah he's away | 21:55 |
| savvas | can I use pbuilder to create powerpc packages? | 22:42 |
| mdke | hi there. I've been looking through the various guides on the wiki and it is all very good. But I can't see how to actually upload a package to ubuntu, short of "use dput". Is there a more detailed document? | 22:43 |
| ScottK | savvas: No, you need powerpc hardware for that. TheMuso might be able to help you out. | 22:44 |
| mdke | Launchpad has some quite good instructions on dput for PPAs but I wondered if there is an equivalent guide for Ubuntu | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | savvas: Is there a specific reason you need to make powerpc packages? | 22:44 |
| savvas | TheMuso: I'm looking at a failed build on bmpx powerpc: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bmpx/0.40.14-1ubuntu1/+build/876596 - but no, not yet, I'll let you know if I come up with something :) | 22:46 |
| TheMuso | savvas: hrm ok. Unfortunately I can't currently help, since I don't have a working powerpc jaunty install, due to various testing, and discovering some bits of breakage, however I should have that sorted by later today. | 22:48 |
| mdke | ah, I've found this now, looks to be what I'm after - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperGuide/Uploading | 22:49 |
| savvas | TheMuso: ok, thanks! | 22:50 |
| savvas | ScottK: could we possibly disable sid in debian/rules? --disable-sid instead of --enable-sid ? | 22:53 |
| RainCT | mdke: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New | 22:53 |
| ScottK | savvas: Dunno. I haven't taken a look at it. | 22:53 |
| mdke | james_w: thanks for that page (DeveloperGuide/Uploading), very useful - I think it would be useful to put a link on UbuntuDevelopment | 22:53 |
| mdke | RainCT: ok, thanks | 22:53 |
| james_w | mdke: too much of a WIP for that yet in my opinion | 22:54 |
| mdke | james_w: ok, your call, but I found it very clear | 22:55 |
| mdke | james_w: so thanks :) | 22:56 |
| james_w | mdke: glad to help | 22:56 |
| * RainCT agrees, nice page :) | 22:56 | |
| RainCT | james_w: ppa:<name> is only available on Jaunty, or? | 22:56 |
| james_w | erm | 22:56 |
| james_w | yeah, I think that's right | 22:57 |
| james_w | Cody's clever idea | 22:57 |
| RainCT | Yeah, it's *much* better than having to edit dput.cf | 22:57 |
| savvas | When using -lsomelibname does it retrieve libsomelibname.so (as in, "lib" in filename) ? | 23:10 |
| savvas | ah, yes | 23:15 |
| slicer | quadrispro: Hi. About bug #333573. I was told earlier today by james_w to edit the original sync request once the bug was fixed in debian (it now is, 1.1.7-3 was released a few hours ago -- just waiting for PPA build on i386 to finish to be absolutely sure). Should I still do that, or should I create a new sync request? | 23:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333573 in mumble "Please sync mumble 1.1.7-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333573 | 23:35 |
| quadrispro | hi slicer, no, updating #333573 is good | 23:37 |
| anakron | hi all | 23:37 |
| anakron | ping Laney: Hi !! how are you? im interested to show you some things that i worked | 23:38 |
| Laney | anakron: Hi! Sorry I've been away | 23:38 |
| slicer | quadrispro: Ok. So I just set it back to it's original state (new, undecided) and post a comment with the changelog? (Assuming the PPA build finishes successfully) | 23:38 |
| anakron | ok | 23:38 |
| Laney | let's have a look | 23:39 |
| quadrispro | slicer: setting "new" again and change the description (instead of adding another comment) | 23:39 |
| quadrispro | is good :) | 23:39 |
| slicer | quadrispro: Ok, will do. Thanks. | 23:39 |
| quadrispro | slicer: I'm already subscribed, feel free to assign that but to me | 23:41 |
| quadrispro | s/but/bug | 23:41 |
| anakron | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpfsgui/+bug/309740 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 309740 in qtpfsgui "no menu icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:42 |
| anakron | I'll review one now and then I'll tell iy to you Laney | 23:44 |
| anakron | HI again | 23:57 |
| anakron | damned mplayer | 23:57 |
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| Laney | hi anakron | 23:58 |
| Laney | anakron: Are you familiar with patch systems? | 23:58 |
| anakron | yes | 23:58 |
| anakron | why? | 23:59 |
| Laney | I notice you changed project.pro without using it, when the package uses quilt | 23:59 |
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