/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/24/#ubuntu-mozillateam.txt

asactbird 3 dailies should be fixed in branch10:15
asacfta: ^^10:15
asacplease reenable10:15
asacand maybe give it an extra run today10:15
asacfta: lease please pleaes test my fontconfig fixes10:39
asaci want to be sure about what kind of regressions folks that actually see font-issues (i am too blind for that) see before doing it10:40
asacfta: they are are ~mozillateam PPA10:40
asacfta: just assume that your obsolete files get removed by package  ... toherwise i plan to just upload it10:49
ftaasac, the problem is that i have dropped one or two files in fontconfig, so i don't remember how to reproduce11:10
asacfta: yeah. just --reinstall fontconfig-config11:11
asacfta: then check the conffile list11:11
asacfta: oh. also run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config11:11
asacand select the defaults11:11
ftaone guy said the liberation fonts are ugly now11:12
asacliberation fonts?11:12
asacwith my package?11:12
ftayes11:13
ftahttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2009-February/000626.html11:13
asacfta: yeah. i think thats expected. I probably dropped some ttf tweakage11:42
asacwell ... not expected, but now that someone complained i think i know what to look at11:42
ftaasac, so for tb3, you basically did what sm2 is doing, i.e, drop the mega xpt and ship all the small ones individually. right?11:47
ftaunlike xul and ff11:47
ftai still don't understand why my stuff was broken, <sigh> ..11:52
LLStarksrawr.11:56
LLStarkswhy is british spelling default for firefox spellcheck?11:57
LLStarksbrb. ext4 is acting up again.12:01
asacfta: basically yes.12:25
asacand thats even supported by packager.mk12:25
asacso we just need to not make the test fatal12:26
asacand all is good12:26
asaccurrently have the hack in the removed-files12:26
asacwe should make that sensible to STATIC or !STATIC too there12:26
asacinstead of ifndef XP_UNIX ;)12:26
LLStarksasac, before i fire off 3 different bugs to the firefox packagers... i need your insight.12:28
gnomefreakwhy do i get the feeling that i would need to run autoconf2.13 when building for a different version of ubuntu?12:28
LLStarkswhy is en-gb the default?12:28
gnomefreakit is?12:28
asacLLStarks: cant remember right now12:29
LLStarks<___<12:29
gnomefreaki thought it followed the rules of the system default locale12:29
asaci think its rather random12:29
asacwe ship both dics in the same package and ffox picks first seen12:29
asacgnomefreak: tbird 3 is fixed ;) ... so new tbird might be there tomorrow12:30
gnomefreakasac: thanks12:30
thunderstruckyou have got to be kidding me12:33
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
gnomefreakcrashes now connection. my day is starting to suck badly12:34
asackidding?12:35
asacwhy ;)?12:35
gnomefreakfirst my timer crashed now my connection is bad i have been here for all of 5 minutes and this happens what else can go wrong12:37
asacfta: do you know why we dont do a static build? do we explicitly opt-out somehow or is that just not the default for tbird?12:37
asaci guess its the later ... but since folks in the bug sounded a bit like that they think static is right, that souds a bit wierd at the same time12:37
LLStarksack. how do i reset fontconfig? the patch is breaking subpixel as much as it is fixing it.12:39
asacLLStarks: no change?12:40
asacLLStarks: so ... dpkg --query fontconfig-config | grep obsolete12:40
asacwhat files do you get there?12:40
LLStarksi'm getting the red tinge around my fonts12:40
LLStarksquery is not a valid argument. <_<12:41
asacLLStarks: try --status ;)12:41
LLStarkshttp://pastebin.com/m57cc0dbc12:42
LLStarksthx12:42
asacLLStarks: ok. and ls /etc/fonts/conf.d/ ?12:42
LLStarkshttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7804/thehorrorofsubpixel.png12:43
LLStarkschew on that for a second12:43
thunderstruckoh this is going to piss me off. i may not be here long12:43
LLStarkslook at the pastebin output box12:43
LLStarks(top box)12:43
asacLLStarks: ok. thats monospace font12:43
asacare all but the monospace fonts ok?12:43
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
asacLLStarks: does it help if you zoom in?12:43
asace.g. ctrl-+12:44
asac(for two times)12:44
LLStarksWORSE12:44
LLStarkswait12:44
LLStarksnvm i was looking at the screenshot12:44
asacLLStarks: dont zoom the pic ;)12:44
asaclol12:44
LLStarksstill worse for the actual window12:44
LLStarksactually, a bit better12:45
LLStarkswant a screenie?12:45
LLStarkshttp://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3912/zoom2x.png12:46
LLStarksls output: http://pastebin.com/m1af92e3712:46
asacLLStarks: what settings are you using in the fonts preferences?12:46
asacjust the default "subpixel (best for LCD"12:47
asacor did you tweak something in the "Details..:"12:47
LLStarkshttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/875/screenshotfonts.png12:48
* gnomefreak away while update install than maybe email and i will work on seamonkey bullshit tomorrow12:48
LLStarkshttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9696/screenshotfontrendering.png12:48
asacLLStarks: can you please paste the content of /etc/fonts/conf.avail/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf12:48
asacLLStarks: also did you paste the ls /etc/fonts/fonts.d yet?12:48
LLStarksyeah i did12:49
LLStarksls output: http://pastebin.com/m1af92e3712:49
asacLLStarks: and the .conf?12:50
LLStarksone sec12:50
LLStarkshttp://pastebin.com/m1d2160a812:51
LLStarksny times rendering: http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1774/screenshotadvertisingtr.png12:51
LLStarksnotice the orange and blue tinge?12:51
asacLLStarks: yeah.12:52
asac(not the orange)12:52
asacthe yeah was about something else12:52
asacplease do: sudo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf12:53
asacand see if things change12:53
LLStarksbtw, was the times page monospaced?12:53
LLStarksno difference. do i need to do anything?12:54
asacyes12:54
asacrestart stuff12:54
LLStarkssystem or applications?12:54
asacusually changing zoom also makes the new font stuff apply12:55
asacLLStarks: are you using ffox 3.0`12:55
asac?12:55
LLStarksyah12:55
LLStarksdamn it cnn. you guys are obsessed with tropicana too?12:55
asacLLStarks: well. then all this isnt for you12:55
asacits for those apps that really honour fontconfig/gnome12:55
asacLLStarks: better try ffox 3.1 or 3.212:56
asacfrom ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily12:56
asacLLStarks: and also the gnome experience is what bothers me most. are there regressions over the previous package on the other desktop apps ;)12:56
LLStarksone sec..12:56
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive12:56
LLStarksMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090223 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Shiretoko/3.1b3pre12:57
LLStarksthat's daily, right?12:57
asacwould think so12:57
asacif thats installed as a pacakge at least12:57
asacif you downloaded fom mozilla it should be ok to test with it ... but i am not 100% sure12:58
LLStarksat any rate, 3.1 shares the subpixel woes.12:58
LLStarksthe antialiasing is a lot better though.12:58
asacLLStarks: i think one issue is with small fonts12:59
asace.g. bitstream vera does not support subpixel for small sizes (< 9?)12:59
asacso there is a rule that disables it for small fonts12:59
LLStarkslemme give you pic of the mozilla homepage with zoom12:59
LLStarkshttp://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7039/ughhhhhh.png13:00
LLStarkslook at the text near the cursor13:00
asacyeah. i see that there is some color13:01
asacLLStarks: hmm ... maybe subpixel order setting is a rpboelm?13:02
LLStarksorange L13:02
asaccheck fonts details13:02
LLStarkshttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9696/screenshotfontrendering.png13:03
LLStarksfull hinting seems to 'fix' the problem13:05
asacLLStarks: does this change on higher/lower zoom level13:05
asacseems i see a bit of red too at a certain zoom level13:05
gnomefreakquick bash script question: how would i launch a tab in terminal? i have it to launch gnometerminal but not sure how to make it open a tab13:05
asacbut all other zoom levels dont have this problem13:06
LLStarksdoes what change?13:06
asacLLStarks: the colorful subpixel mess up ;)13:06
LLStarkswith full hinting?13:06
asacLLStarks: no. zoom out or in a bit more13:07
asacdo you see the same effect on all zoom levels?13:07
LLStarkswith the default slight hinting?13:07
asacyeah13:07
asacmaybe tune the hinting too13:07
LLStarksif i zoom in far enough with slight hinting, the colors dissipate slightly.13:08
LLStarksit still remains though, but less noticeable13:09
LLStarksbut this is zoom x513:09
LLStarksat least13:09
asacso seems we need full hinting for large font sizes13:09
asacmedium for medium and slight for small ones13:09
asacLLStarks: btw, after changing settings, just zoom will really apply the new settings - at least for me ;)13:11
LLStarkssounds like a headache.13:11
LLStarks(with regard to hinting)13:11
asacits a bit of a problem to do that while still honouring gnome settings13:11
LLStarksbtw, should i undo the edit made earlier?13:11
asacLLStarks: which edit?13:11
LLStarks*i made13:11
asacthe monospace thing?13:12
asacwell. i think we need it13:12
asacbut i will think about it13:12
asacif you want to track the pristine package bheaviour remove it for now13:12
LLStarksif i wanted to revert to repo fontconfig, is there anything exotic i need to do?13:14
asacno13:14
asacLLStarks: so the difference is that the hinting doesnt differntiate for fontsizes?13:14
asacLLStarks: is that all that regressed next to the monospace thing?13:14
LLStarksi honestly wouldn't know what the expected behavior is.13:15
asacLLStarks: please keep using the package for a while and tell me i there are bad experiences13:16
asacbesides from the above ;)13:16
asacif you can live with them at all13:16
LLStarksgnome-terminal seems to be afflicted somewhat13:17
LLStarkseven xchat13:17
asacLLStarks: they changed of course. question is if its a problem ;)13:17
LLStarkslemme try using default ubuntu theme13:17
asacalmost everything should look a bit different now13:17
LLStarksif i choose to downgrade, will mt2 settings linger?13:18
asacLLStarks: dont think so13:20
LLStarksthere 4 or 5 packages to downgrade, right?13:20
asacLLStarks: the repo package has "more" config ... and the mozilalteawm package has less13:20
asaca strict subset ;)13:20
asacLLStarks: not sure13:20
asacjust fontconfig stuff13:20
LLStarksand the libraries?13:20
asacif they are called fontconfig then yes13:21
LLStarksmy eyes feel relieved now.13:23
asacLLStarks: because of the colorful bug for huge zoomlevels?13:23
LLStarksyeah.13:23
asacyou zoom that much?13:24
LLStarksbut firefox 3.0 still seems afflicted.13:24
asaci dont recognize it13:24
LLStarkslemme restart it.13:24
LLStarksthat's better13:24
asacfta2: i think i already have the same version installed were i bumped the changelog to. thats why i ment tomorrow ;)15:17
fta2well, the bot fetched trunk so we're on par15:18
BUGabundoasac: ping15:25
BUGabundohow was lunch?15:25
asacBUGabundo: gone in two minutes15:25
asacBUGabundo: good ;)15:25
BUGabundoehehe15:25
BUGabundoyou manage to be faster then me15:26
BUGabundoLOL15:26
asacmeeting o'clock15:26
BUGabundoohh15:26
BUGabundoafter if, do you think you can manage a bit of time to work on bug 329798 ?15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 329798 in network-manager "NM will not connect to FON AP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32979815:26
BUGabundoI have 2 laptops, that fail to work....15:26
BUGabundoI manage only ONCE to connect to it, with this laptop15:26
BUGabundobut it I need to hardreset the AP (la fonera) and my laptop15:27
BUGabundoother then that, it will always fail15:27
fta230 minutes just to pack the chromium tarball, my disks suck15:40
fta2     8  16:11   ./debian/rules get-orig-source LOCAL_BRANCH=../upstream/chromium-browser.svn15:41
fta2     9  16:40   date15:41
BUGabundofta2 get a 16GiBs SSD15:42
jagadeeshis there any option to display number of unread emails in thunderbird?15:53
BUGabundojagadeesh: on a ballon?15:53
BUGabundoright now NO15:53
BUGabundodamn it15:53
BUGabundohe went away15:53
jagadeeshBUGabundo: that should be ok15:55
jagadeeshwhen I minimize window I want to know if there is any unread email15:56
BUGabundoright now NO15:56
BUGabundobut I just saw a post on identica about evo15:56
BUGabundojagadeesh: http://identi.ca/notice/246354715:57
BUGabundoremember that many apps have to be patched to use libindicate15:58
jagadeeshBUGabundo: thanks. it is interesting16:03
asacimproving notifications is on the agendafor tbird16:15
asacproblem is that tbird folks need to make 3.0 release happen soon16:15
asacso most likely this will have to wait for 3.116:15
asacnotifications == indications16:15
BUGabundofta gwibber daily bug16:20
BUGabundoit won't start by just isseing "$ gwibber"16:21
BUGabundoI have to state the full PATH16:21
fta2?16:21
fta2works for me16:22
fta2BUGabundo, ^^16:22
BUGabundo$ gwibber16:23
BUGabundobash: /usr/local/bin/gwibber: No such file or directory16:23
BUGabundobugabundo@blubug:/$ whereis gwibber16:23
BUGabundogwibber: /usr/bin/gwibber /usr/share/gwibber16:23
BUGabundobugabundo@blubug:/$ /usr/bin/gwibber16:23
asacBUGabundo: exec bash16:25
asacsee if its fixed then16:25
fta2BUGabundo, it's an old one then. 0.9.1~bzr247-0ubuntu1~daily116:26
asaci mean, run: exec bash16:26
asacso bash updates his PATH cache16:26
BUGabundodone16:26
fta2if you still have one in /usr/local/bin, it's no longer one of mine16:26
BUGabundonow it starts16:27
fta2bash is evil16:27
BUGabundoI run --purge and install before I came here16:27
fta2purge doesn't purge what you install with sudo python setup.py16:28
BUGabundojust to be sure16:29
BUGabundosince I had a bzr a while back16:29
BUGabundo$ whereis gwibber16:29
BUGabundogwibber: /usr/bin/gwibber /usr/share/gwibber16:29
fta2better16:30
asacBUGabundo: you got a gwibber update which remove dthe /usr/local/ thing and bash didnt notice because it caches the PATH completions16:30
fta2<BUGabundo> bash: /usr/local/bin/gwibber: No such file or directory <= good, it's no longer the python2.6 bug then16:30
BUGabundoI just closed my terminals an opened new ones16:30
BUGabundoits running fine now16:31
BUGabundobut already saw two apport fires on it16:31
BUGabundomaybe I should go back to run it from cli to catch them16:31
BUGabundohow would I run a python based app with valgrind?16:31
BUGabundoit was fun to see gedit / seahorse-plugins bloat yesterday for seb12816:32
asachi stefanlsd16:55
asacjust ask what you want to discuss about gears 6416:55
stefanlsdk. thx16:55
fta2grr; this is getting on my nerves: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122453/16:55
stefanlsdi've noticed the wiki packages / tutorials on packaging extentions for mozilla. which is great. thx16:55
stefanlsdseems like this is to do the the resulting .xpi16:56
stefanlsdis this the preferred way of doing an extension?  Would we prefer to build the xpi from source?16:56
fta2asac, are the graphs mentioned by rickspencer3 public?17:01
asacfta2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-02-24/17:02
asacthere are graphs17:02
asacif thats what you mean17:02
stefanlsdgonna go home quick. bbl :)17:09
BUGabundoasac: so you are already leaving?18:01
asacBUGabundo: now out. will look for a few minutes in 30 min ;)18:08
BUGabundook18:08
BUGabundoif you have the time, PLEASE, take a look at those FON logs18:08
BUGabundothanks so much18:09
surfazasac, there is any progress with pgo and firefox?18:18
surfazIf I can help tell me18:18
stefanlsdI am busy looking at packaging google gears for 64 bit. I patched the source, built against some 64bit libs (xpcom stuff) and have a resultant .xpi.  Is it ok to package this xpi as an extension now?18:37
BUGabundostefanlsd: can you give me a link for it?18:40
BUGabundoI would love to test the XPI18:40
stefanlsdBUGabundo: sure, let me upload it somewhere for you. hang on18:40
BUGabundothanks18:41
BUGabundodo you need feed back on it?18:41
BUGabundocan you get it on mozilla store?18:41
stefanlsdBUGabundo: http://www.lsd.co.za/files/gears-linux-opt-0.5.13.0.xpi18:51
BUGabundobig isn't it ?18:53
stefanlsdBUGabundo: a little. source code is 300mb18:56
stefanlsda lot of 3rd party stuff tho18:56
BUGabundoxeee18:56
stefanlsdactual gears stuff is 18mb18:56
BUGabundoneed to restart it now18:56
BUGabundoand test GR18:56
BUGabundostefanlsd: humm google reader is not detecting it18:59
BUGabundoneed to log out and login again?18:59
stefanlsdBUGabundo: let me try reader. i've tried gmail offline folders, and that was ok18:59
BUGabundopressing Gears Setting from the menu doesn't do anything either19:00
BUGabundoFYI this is FF3.119:00
BUGabundofrom daily PPA19:00
stefanlsdBUGabundo: aah. i think its only FF3.0 atm. need to look at 3.1 support still19:01
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BUGabundoGAFYD : "You will need Gears for offline access, and the installer will restart your browser."19:02
BUGabundoand 3.219:02
stefanlsdBUGabundo: does addons display FF3.1 reports Gears not compatible?19:03
BUGabundowhat addon doesn't?19:11
BUGabundolol19:11
BUGabundoI use nightly tools, so ALL work19:11
BUGabundodo you want me to test it on a clean 3.2 profile ?19:11
BUGabundostefanlsd: "Google Gears 0.5.13.0 could not be installed because it is not compatible with Minefield 3.2a1pre."19:13
stefanlsdBUGabundo: ok. so far its just 3.0 compatible. Will do some research on 3.1 and 3.219:15
BUGabundothanks19:15
BUGabundo:(19:15
BUGabundoill have to keep waiting then19:16
BUGabundoping me (here or on identica) when you have some news and need testing19:16
stefanlsdBUGabundo: kk. want to see if it will be possible to get this extension into jaunty. Will let you know.19:17
BUGabundostefanlsd: its pass FF19:20
BUGabundoits gona be paperwork19:20
stefanlsdBUGabundo: yeah. although considering getting gmail offline and reader and some other? may be worth it. will check if i can get it done soon.19:21
BUGabundofta: here is a daily regression for you19:35
BUGabundoopening a new Window with ctrl-N19:36
BUGabundoScript: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:78219:36
BUGabundosomething is messing tabmixplus addon19:36
BUGabundoand was working yesterday19:36
BUGabundobrb19:50
=== asac_ is now known as asac
[reed]gnomefreak: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2009/02/even_more_on_the_sunbirdlightn.html22:27
ftaBUGabundo, well, for regressions with the daily, it's better to report that directly to mozilla (aka [reed]) if you think it's an upstream bug (in opposition to a packaging bug). with the dailies, you immediately have two close rev-ids.22:34
[reed]I am Upstream Guy. :)22:35
BUGabundoneed to start a new profile and test back22:35
BUGabundobut since this is with an addon22:35
BUGabundo.... grr I fall in the midlle22:35
BUGabundothe addon did not get upgraded22:35
BUGabundoand the only thing that changed was FF22:35
BUGabundohi [reed]22:36
[reed]hi22:36
ftaas the packaging didn't change in weeks, it's most likely an upstream change, and i think moz would love to know it's breaking something22:36
[reed]what are you running into?22:37
ftaif moz doesn't care, it brings some water to my fountain :P22:37
BUGabundo[reed]: opening a new window seems to be giving an error with tabmixplus22:37
BUGabundoit makes FF take too long to fork22:38
[reed]what version of Firefox?22:38
BUGabundoand then a popup asks to kill or wait22:38
BUGabundoScript: chrome://osb/content/osb-main.js:522:38
BUGabundoff 3.1 from daily ppa22:38
[reed]which maps to what rev?22:38
BUGabundo3.1~b3~hg20090222r23369+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd122:38
[reed]hmm22:38
BUGabundoScript: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:78222:39
BUGabundoScript: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:82122:39
ftagrab a previous daily from lp, test if it's still there, then isolate the rev ids22:39
BUGabundogreat now I'm on an endless popup state22:39
ftathat's the purpose of dailies, it's not just about running the newest ;)22:40
[reed]:)22:40
BUGabundoI know22:40
BUGabundoand I don't!22:40
BUGabundofor that I would be on 3.222:40
BUGabundobut it messes a few of my NEEDED addons22:40
BUGabundook22:40
BUGabundotime to make a new profile and install tabmixplus to test it22:41
* BUGabundo glad I got rid of the popup22:41
BUGabundo[reed]: new (clean) profile doesn't have it22:43
BUGabundoinstalling TB P now22:43
BUGabundohttp://tmp.garyr.net/tab_mix_plus-dev-build.xpi22:43
BUGabundono reports on their forum http://tmp.garyr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9864&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10022:44
BUGabundonew profile with tabmix plus aint showing it either22:45
BUGabundo:(22:45
BUGabundocan't reproduce it now22:47
BUGabundobbl22:47
hyper_chfta: online?22:50
ftahyper_ch, yes22:51
hyper_chfta: did you submit your ppa repo on the repo generator?22:51
ftarepo generator? what is that?22:52
ftaobviously, i didn't :P22:52
hyper_chfta: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch22:52
hyper_chfta: I just got a submission for your repo and for some reason for each entry on the submission form there was your name added.... which is quite odd as I have never received such a "wrong" submission before :)22:52
ftait's not me, that's for sure.22:53
hyper_chfta: but if it was not you who submitted it, I wonder what description shall I use for it? The one you have in the PPA description? The submitted info for the description was "Firefox, XUL and other latest buildsFabien Tassi"22:53
ftathis is no longer "latest builds", and my name is incomplete22:54
hyper_chfta: well, what name shall I give to the repo and what description?22:55
ftadifficult to say, it's my personal PPA and i have over 100 packages22:55
hyper_chfta: you can also chose to not have it included on my repo generator :)22:56
ftathis is the latest for mozilla: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa22:56
ftayep, don't include mine, enough people are using it, it's spreading by itself already. and i'm slowly moving to dedicated PPAs22:57
hyper_chfta: ok :) thx for pointint out the mozilla one, I'll add that one22:57

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