[10:15] tbird 3 dailies should be fixed in branch [10:15] fta: ^^ [10:15] please reenable [10:15] and maybe give it an extra run today [10:39] fta: lease please pleaes test my fontconfig fixes [10:40] i want to be sure about what kind of regressions folks that actually see font-issues (i am too blind for that) see before doing it [10:40] fta: they are are ~mozillateam PPA [10:49] fta: just assume that your obsolete files get removed by package ... toherwise i plan to just upload it [11:10] asac, the problem is that i have dropped one or two files in fontconfig, so i don't remember how to reproduce [11:11] fta: yeah. just --reinstall fontconfig-config [11:11] fta: then check the conffile list [11:11] fta: oh. also run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config [11:11] and select the defaults [11:12] one guy said the liberation fonts are ugly now [11:12] liberation fonts? [11:12] with my package? [11:13] yes [11:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2009-February/000626.html [11:42] fta: yeah. i think thats expected. I probably dropped some ttf tweakage [11:42] well ... not expected, but now that someone complained i think i know what to look at [11:47] asac, so for tb3, you basically did what sm2 is doing, i.e, drop the mega xpt and ship all the small ones individually. right? [11:47] unlike xul and ff [11:52] i still don't understand why my stuff was broken, .. [11:56] rawr. [11:57] why is british spelling default for firefox spellcheck? [12:01] brb. ext4 is acting up again. [12:25] fta: basically yes. [12:25] and thats even supported by packager.mk [12:26] so we just need to not make the test fatal [12:26] and all is good [12:26] currently have the hack in the removed-files [12:26] we should make that sensible to STATIC or !STATIC too there [12:26] instead of ifndef XP_UNIX ;) [12:28] asac, before i fire off 3 different bugs to the firefox packagers... i need your insight. [12:28] why do i get the feeling that i would need to run autoconf2.13 when building for a different version of ubuntu? [12:28] why is en-gb the default? [12:28] it is? [12:29] LLStarks: cant remember right now [12:29] <___< [12:29] i thought it followed the rules of the system default locale [12:29] i think its rather random [12:29] we ship both dics in the same package and ffox picks first seen [12:30] gnomefreak: tbird 3 is fixed ;) ... so new tbird might be there tomorrow [12:30] asac: thanks [12:33] you have got to be kidding me === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:34] crashes now connection. my day is starting to suck badly [12:35] kidding? [12:35] why ;)? [12:37] first my timer crashed now my connection is bad i have been here for all of 5 minutes and this happens what else can go wrong [12:37] fta: do you know why we dont do a static build? do we explicitly opt-out somehow or is that just not the default for tbird? [12:37] i guess its the later ... but since folks in the bug sounded a bit like that they think static is right, that souds a bit wierd at the same time [12:39] ack. how do i reset fontconfig? the patch is breaking subpixel as much as it is fixing it. [12:40] LLStarks: no change? [12:40] LLStarks: so ... dpkg --query fontconfig-config | grep obsolete [12:40] what files do you get there? [12:40] i'm getting the red tinge around my fonts [12:41] query is not a valid argument. <_< [12:41] LLStarks: try --status ;) [12:42] http://pastebin.com/m57cc0dbc [12:42] thx [12:42] LLStarks: ok. and ls /etc/fonts/conf.d/ ? [12:43] http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7804/thehorrorofsubpixel.png [12:43] chew on that for a second [12:43] oh this is going to piss me off. i may not be here long [12:43] look at the pastebin output box [12:43] (top box) [12:43] LLStarks: ok. thats monospace font [12:43] are all but the monospace fonts ok? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [12:43] LLStarks: does it help if you zoom in? [12:44] e.g. ctrl-+ [12:44] (for two times) [12:44] WORSE [12:44] wait [12:44] nvm i was looking at the screenshot [12:44] LLStarks: dont zoom the pic ;) [12:44] lol [12:44] still worse for the actual window [12:45] actually, a bit better [12:45] want a screenie? [12:46] http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3912/zoom2x.png [12:46] ls output: http://pastebin.com/m1af92e37 [12:46] LLStarks: what settings are you using in the fonts preferences? [12:47] just the default "subpixel (best for LCD" [12:47] or did you tweak something in the "Details..:" [12:48] http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/875/screenshotfonts.png [12:48] * gnomefreak away while update install than maybe email and i will work on seamonkey bullshit tomorrow [12:48] http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9696/screenshotfontrendering.png [12:48] LLStarks: can you please paste the content of /etc/fonts/conf.avail/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf [12:48] LLStarks: also did you paste the ls /etc/fonts/fonts.d yet? [12:49] yeah i did [12:49] ls output: http://pastebin.com/m1af92e37 [12:50] LLStarks: and the .conf? [12:50] one sec [12:51] http://pastebin.com/m1d2160a8 [12:51] ny times rendering: http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1774/screenshotadvertisingtr.png [12:51] notice the orange and blue tinge? [12:52] LLStarks: yeah. [12:52] (not the orange) [12:52] the yeah was about something else [12:53] please do: sudo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/53-monospace-lcd-filter.conf [12:53] and see if things change [12:53] btw, was the times page monospaced? [12:54] no difference. do i need to do anything? [12:54] yes [12:54] restart stuff [12:54] system or applications? [12:55] usually changing zoom also makes the new font stuff apply [12:55] LLStarks: are you using ffox 3.0` [12:55] ? [12:55] yah [12:55] damn it cnn. you guys are obsessed with tropicana too? [12:55] LLStarks: well. then all this isnt for you [12:55] its for those apps that really honour fontconfig/gnome [12:56] LLStarks: better try ffox 3.1 or 3.2 [12:56] from ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily [12:56] LLStarks: and also the gnome experience is what bothers me most. are there regressions over the previous package on the other desktop apps ;) [12:56] one sec.. [12:56] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive [12:57] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090223 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Shiretoko/3.1b3pre [12:57] that's daily, right? [12:57] would think so [12:57] if thats installed as a pacakge at least [12:58] if you downloaded fom mozilla it should be ok to test with it ... but i am not 100% sure [12:58] at any rate, 3.1 shares the subpixel woes. [12:58] the antialiasing is a lot better though. [12:59] LLStarks: i think one issue is with small fonts [12:59] e.g. bitstream vera does not support subpixel for small sizes (< 9?) [12:59] so there is a rule that disables it for small fonts [12:59] lemme give you pic of the mozilla homepage with zoom [13:00] http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7039/ughhhhhh.png [13:00] look at the text near the cursor [13:01] yeah. i see that there is some color [13:02] LLStarks: hmm ... maybe subpixel order setting is a rpboelm? [13:02] orange L [13:02] check fonts details [13:03] http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9696/screenshotfontrendering.png [13:05] full hinting seems to 'fix' the problem [13:05] LLStarks: does this change on higher/lower zoom level [13:05] seems i see a bit of red too at a certain zoom level [13:05] quick bash script question: how would i launch a tab in terminal? i have it to launch gnometerminal but not sure how to make it open a tab [13:06] but all other zoom levels dont have this problem [13:06] does what change? [13:06] LLStarks: the colorful subpixel mess up ;) [13:06] with full hinting? [13:07] LLStarks: no. zoom out or in a bit more [13:07] do you see the same effect on all zoom levels? [13:07] with the default slight hinting? [13:07] yeah [13:07] maybe tune the hinting too [13:08] if i zoom in far enough with slight hinting, the colors dissipate slightly. [13:09] it still remains though, but less noticeable [13:09] but this is zoom x5 [13:09] at least [13:09] so seems we need full hinting for large font sizes [13:09] medium for medium and slight for small ones [13:11] LLStarks: btw, after changing settings, just zoom will really apply the new settings - at least for me ;) [13:11] sounds like a headache. [13:11] (with regard to hinting) [13:11] its a bit of a problem to do that while still honouring gnome settings [13:11] btw, should i undo the edit made earlier? [13:11] LLStarks: which edit? [13:11] *i made [13:12] the monospace thing? [13:12] well. i think we need it [13:12] but i will think about it [13:12] if you want to track the pristine package bheaviour remove it for now [13:14] if i wanted to revert to repo fontconfig, is there anything exotic i need to do? [13:14] no [13:14] LLStarks: so the difference is that the hinting doesnt differntiate for fontsizes? [13:14] LLStarks: is that all that regressed next to the monospace thing? [13:15] i honestly wouldn't know what the expected behavior is. [13:16] LLStarks: please keep using the package for a while and tell me i there are bad experiences [13:16] besides from the above ;) [13:16] if you can live with them at all [13:17] gnome-terminal seems to be afflicted somewhat [13:17] even xchat [13:17] LLStarks: they changed of course. question is if its a problem ;) [13:17] lemme try using default ubuntu theme [13:17] almost everything should look a bit different now [13:18] if i choose to downgrade, will mt2 settings linger? [13:20] LLStarks: dont think so [13:20] there 4 or 5 packages to downgrade, right? [13:20] LLStarks: the repo package has "more" config ... and the mozilalteawm package has less [13:20] a strict subset ;) [13:20] LLStarks: not sure [13:20] just fontconfig stuff [13:20] and the libraries? [13:21] if they are called fontconfig then yes [13:23] my eyes feel relieved now. [13:23] LLStarks: because of the colorful bug for huge zoomlevels? [13:23] yeah. [13:24] you zoom that much? [13:24] but firefox 3.0 still seems afflicted. [13:24] i dont recognize it [13:24] lemme restart it. [13:24] that's better [15:17] fta2: i think i already have the same version installed were i bumped the changelog to. thats why i ment tomorrow ;) [15:18] well, the bot fetched trunk so we're on par [15:25] asac: ping [15:25] how was lunch? [15:25] BUGabundo: gone in two minutes [15:25] BUGabundo: good ;) [15:25] ehehe [15:26] you manage to be faster then me [15:26] LOL [15:26] meeting o'clock [15:26] ohh [15:26] after if, do you think you can manage a bit of time to work on bug 329798 ? [15:26] Launchpad bug 329798 in network-manager "NM will not connect to FON AP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329798 [15:26] I have 2 laptops, that fail to work.... [15:26] I manage only ONCE to connect to it, with this laptop [15:27] but it I need to hardreset the AP (la fonera) and my laptop [15:27] other then that, it will always fail [15:40] 30 minutes just to pack the chromium tarball, my disks suck [15:41] 8 16:11 ./debian/rules get-orig-source LOCAL_BRANCH=../upstream/chromium-browser.svn [15:41] 9 16:40 date [15:42] fta2 get a 16GiBs SSD [15:53] is there any option to display number of unread emails in thunderbird? [15:53] jagadeesh: on a ballon? [15:53] right now NO [15:53] damn it [15:53] he went away [15:55] BUGabundo: that should be ok [15:56] when I minimize window I want to know if there is any unread email [15:56] right now NO [15:56] but I just saw a post on identica about evo [15:57] jagadeesh: http://identi.ca/notice/2463547 [15:58] remember that many apps have to be patched to use libindicate [16:03] BUGabundo: thanks. it is interesting [16:15] improving notifications is on the agendafor tbird [16:15] problem is that tbird folks need to make 3.0 release happen soon [16:15] so most likely this will have to wait for 3.1 [16:15] notifications == indications [16:20] fta gwibber daily bug [16:21] it won't start by just isseing "$ gwibber" [16:21] I have to state the full PATH [16:21] ? [16:22] works for me [16:22] BUGabundo, ^^ [16:23] $ gwibber [16:23] bash: /usr/local/bin/gwibber: No such file or directory [16:23] bugabundo@blubug:/$ whereis gwibber [16:23] gwibber: /usr/bin/gwibber /usr/share/gwibber [16:23] bugabundo@blubug:/$ /usr/bin/gwibber [16:25] BUGabundo: exec bash [16:25] see if its fixed then [16:26] BUGabundo, it's an old one then. 0.9.1~bzr247-0ubuntu1~daily1 [16:26] i mean, run: exec bash [16:26] so bash updates his PATH cache [16:26] done [16:26] if you still have one in /usr/local/bin, it's no longer one of mine [16:27] now it starts [16:27] bash is evil [16:27] I run --purge and install before I came here [16:28] purge doesn't purge what you install with sudo python setup.py [16:29] just to be sure [16:29] since I had a bzr a while back [16:29] $ whereis gwibber [16:29] gwibber: /usr/bin/gwibber /usr/share/gwibber [16:30] better [16:30] BUGabundo: you got a gwibber update which remove dthe /usr/local/ thing and bash didnt notice because it caches the PATH completions [16:30] bash: /usr/local/bin/gwibber: No such file or directory <= good, it's no longer the python2.6 bug then [16:30] I just closed my terminals an opened new ones [16:31] its running fine now [16:31] but already saw two apport fires on it [16:31] maybe I should go back to run it from cli to catch them [16:31] how would I run a python based app with valgrind? [16:32] it was fun to see gedit / seahorse-plugins bloat yesterday for seb128 [16:55] hi stefanlsd [16:55] just ask what you want to discuss about gears 64 [16:55] k. thx [16:55] grr; this is getting on my nerves: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122453/ [16:55] i've noticed the wiki packages / tutorials on packaging extentions for mozilla. which is great. thx [16:56] seems like this is to do the the resulting .xpi [16:56] is this the preferred way of doing an extension? Would we prefer to build the xpi from source? [17:01] asac, are the graphs mentioned by rickspencer3 public? [17:02] fta2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-02-24/ [17:02] there are graphs [17:02] if thats what you mean [17:09] gonna go home quick. bbl :) [18:01] asac: so you are already leaving? [18:08] BUGabundo: now out. will look for a few minutes in 30 min ;) [18:08] ok [18:08] if you have the time, PLEASE, take a look at those FON logs [18:09] thanks so much [18:18] asac, there is any progress with pgo and firefox? [18:18] If I can help tell me [18:37] I am busy looking at packaging google gears for 64 bit. I patched the source, built against some 64bit libs (xpcom stuff) and have a resultant .xpi. Is it ok to package this xpi as an extension now? [18:40] stefanlsd: can you give me a link for it? [18:40] I would love to test the XPI [18:40] BUGabundo: sure, let me upload it somewhere for you. hang on [18:41] thanks [18:41] do you need feed back on it? [18:41] can you get it on mozilla store? [18:51] BUGabundo: http://www.lsd.co.za/files/gears-linux-opt-0.5.13.0.xpi [18:53] big isn't it ? [18:56] BUGabundo: a little. source code is 300mb [18:56] a lot of 3rd party stuff tho [18:56] xeee [18:56] actual gears stuff is 18mb [18:56] need to restart it now [18:56] and test GR [18:59] stefanlsd: humm google reader is not detecting it [18:59] need to log out and login again? [18:59] BUGabundo: let me try reader. i've tried gmail offline folders, and that was ok [19:00] pressing Gears Setting from the menu doesn't do anything either [19:00] FYI this is FF3.1 [19:00] from daily PPA [19:01] BUGabundo: aah. i think its only FF3.0 atm. need to look at 3.1 support still === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp [19:02] GAFYD : "You will need Gears for offline access, and the installer will restart your browser." [19:02] and 3.2 [19:03] BUGabundo: does addons display FF3.1 reports Gears not compatible? [19:11] what addon doesn't? [19:11] lol [19:11] I use nightly tools, so ALL work [19:11] do you want me to test it on a clean 3.2 profile ? [19:13] stefanlsd: "Google Gears 0.5.13.0 could not be installed because it is not compatible with Minefield 3.2a1pre." [19:15] BUGabundo: ok. so far its just 3.0 compatible. Will do some research on 3.1 and 3.2 [19:15] thanks [19:15] :( [19:16] ill have to keep waiting then [19:16] ping me (here or on identica) when you have some news and need testing [19:17] BUGabundo: kk. want to see if it will be possible to get this extension into jaunty. Will let you know. [19:20] stefanlsd: its pass FF [19:20] its gona be paperwork [19:21] BUGabundo: yeah. although considering getting gmail offline and reader and some other? may be worth it. will check if i can get it done soon. [19:35] fta: here is a daily regression for you [19:36] opening a new Window with ctrl-N [19:36] Script: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:782 [19:36] something is messing tabmixplus addon [19:36] and was working yesterday [19:50] brb === asac_ is now known as asac [22:27] <[reed]> gnomefreak: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2009/02/even_more_on_the_sunbirdlightn.html [22:34] BUGabundo, well, for regressions with the daily, it's better to report that directly to mozilla (aka [reed]) if you think it's an upstream bug (in opposition to a packaging bug). with the dailies, you immediately have two close rev-ids. [22:35] <[reed]> I am Upstream Guy. :) [22:35] need to start a new profile and test back [22:35] but since this is with an addon [22:35] .... grr I fall in the midlle [22:35] the addon did not get upgraded [22:35] and the only thing that changed was FF [22:36] hi [reed] [22:36] <[reed]> hi [22:36] as the packaging didn't change in weeks, it's most likely an upstream change, and i think moz would love to know it's breaking something [22:37] <[reed]> what are you running into? [22:37] if moz doesn't care, it brings some water to my fountain :P [22:37] [reed]: opening a new window seems to be giving an error with tabmixplus [22:38] it makes FF take too long to fork [22:38] <[reed]> what version of Firefox? [22:38] and then a popup asks to kill or wait [22:38] Script: chrome://osb/content/osb-main.js:5 [22:38] ff 3.1 from daily ppa [22:38] <[reed]> which maps to what rev? [22:38] 3.1~b3~hg20090222r23369+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 [22:38] <[reed]> hmm [22:39] Script: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:782 [22:39] Script: chrome://tabmixplus/content/tab/tab.js:821 [22:39] grab a previous daily from lp, test if it's still there, then isolate the rev ids [22:39] great now I'm on an endless popup state [22:40] that's the purpose of dailies, it's not just about running the newest ;) [22:40] <[reed]> :) [22:40] I know [22:40] and I don't! [22:40] for that I would be on 3.2 [22:40] but it messes a few of my NEEDED addons [22:40] ok [22:41] time to make a new profile and install tabmixplus to test it [22:41] * BUGabundo glad I got rid of the popup [22:43] [reed]: new (clean) profile doesn't have it [22:43] installing TB P now [22:43] http://tmp.garyr.net/tab_mix_plus-dev-build.xpi [22:44] no reports on their forum http://tmp.garyr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9864&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100 [22:45] new profile with tabmix plus aint showing it either [22:45] :( [22:47] can't reproduce it now [22:47] bbl [22:50] fta: online? [22:51] hyper_ch, yes [22:51] fta: did you submit your ppa repo on the repo generator? [22:52] repo generator? what is that? [22:52] obviously, i didn't :P [22:52] fta: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch [22:52] fta: I just got a submission for your repo and for some reason for each entry on the submission form there was your name added.... which is quite odd as I have never received such a "wrong" submission before :) [22:53] it's not me, that's for sure. [22:53] fta: but if it was not you who submitted it, I wonder what description shall I use for it? The one you have in the PPA description? The submitted info for the description was "Firefox, XUL and other latest buildsFabien Tassi" [22:54] this is no longer "latest builds", and my name is incomplete [22:55] fta: well, what name shall I give to the repo and what description? [22:55] difficult to say, it's my personal PPA and i have over 100 packages [22:56] fta: you can also chose to not have it included on my repo generator :) [22:56] this is the latest for mozilla: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [22:57] yep, don't include mine, enough people are using it, it's spreading by itself already. and i'm slowly moving to dedicated PPAs [22:57] fta: ok :) thx for pointint out the mozilla one, I'll add that one