| bryce | xrandr cleaned out (20 -> 0 bugs) | 02:28 |
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| pwnguin | 20 patches, or 20 "please test again"? | 02:33 |
| RAOF | Or 20 "not a bug in xrandr", or 20 "this bug is fixed" :) | 02:39 |
| bryce | mostly "not a bug in xrandr", and moved to the more appropriate package | 02:48 |
| bryce | http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/totals.svg | 02:50 |
| bryce_ | tjaalton, jcristau: what package handles capslock toggling? Is that -evdev or the server, or ...? trying to figure out where bugs like 207960 go... I'm figuring xkeyboard-config probably is not the right place | 06:36 |
| tjaalton | bryce_: I guess it's the server. would be nice to know if it works in jaunty though | 06:57 |
| * bryce_ nods | 06:58 | |
| bryce_ | ok, seems capslock issues are scattered around, I'll pull them into xorg-server and see if some sense can be made of them | 07:01 |
| tjaalton | did you see the list of deprecated input drivers by whot? what do you think if we should drop those, since I think none of them actually build anymore | 07:02 |
| tjaalton | or just leave them as is until debian drops them, and fix the build in the meantime if someone needs them | 07:02 |
| bryce_ | yep, I saw the list. I've been thinking we should deprecate them for quite some time | 07:05 |
| tjaalton | none of them have any bugs filed, which clearly shows that no-one is using them :) | 07:06 |
| bryce_ | whether to drop them now or wait 'til debian drops them, I'm open. | 07:06 |
| bryce_ | what's your opinion? | 07:06 |
| tjaalton | I'll ask them first | 07:07 |
| bryce_ | ok | 07:07 |
| tjaalton | IIRC it has been discussed before, so probably that's what will happen | 07:07 |
| bryce_ | btw, I'm hoping to continue my bug stomping tour through xserver and -intel before the release is out. Those are biggies though, so dunno that I'll make it through any other packages | 07:13 |
| bryce_ | if you have any time, it would be great if you could look through -evdev (and maybe -mouse) | 07:14 |
| tjaalton | ok, I'll see what I can do | 07:14 |
| Alexia_Death | Does x support any sort of per device mouse acceleration setting? I have a touchpad and an USB mouse I hotplug. the mouse is high DPI and generates a lot of jitter. However, truning aceleration down makes my touchpad unusable. | 08:49 |
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| tjaalton | Alexia_Death: not that I know of | 09:10 |
| Alexia_Death | tjaalton: :( that sucks. | 09:33 |
| tjaalton | at least xinput doesn't show any properties | 09:36 |
| tjaalton | maybe master is better | 09:36 |
| bryce | heh, after all that capslock work, turns out I think the main bug I was looking at is already fixed (at least it works for me). | 09:41 |
| bryce | anyway, night. | 09:41 |
| tjaalton | night :) | 09:42 |
| === mvo__ is now known as mvo | ||
| Ng | tjaalton: hrm, it feels like the vblank change didn't really change anything | 11:20 |
| tjaalton | Ng: really? | 11:21 |
| Ng | tjaalton: workspace switches feel like they get stuck for a fraction of a second and then just redraw the desktop. sometimes it does the smooth swipe, but some/most times it feels like it's jumping | 11:22 |
| Ng | it's kinda hard to describe ;) | 11:22 |
| tjaalton | sounds familiar | 11:22 |
| tjaalton | I need to check it out later | 11:22 |
| Ng | I suppose, for fairness, I should reset my compiz settings to the defaults | 11:22 |
| tjaalton | please do, or test with a new user :) | 11:24 |
| Ng | well that was fun, I switched profile in ccsm and X wedged | 11:26 |
| Ng | few of these in dmesg: [ 648.929470] [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0 | 11:26 |
| tjaalton | you've rebooted since the new mesa? | 11:26 |
| Ng | my last reboot was about 15 minutes ago, my last update was within the last couple of hours | 11:27 |
| tjaalton | ok | 11:27 |
| Ng | I have mesa 7.3-1ubuntu2 | 11:27 |
| tjaalton | I'm thinking if the patches that are already applied cause some regressions | 11:28 |
| tjaalton | but since we are not going to use vblank those could probably be dropped | 11:28 |
| tjaalton | from the kernel | 11:28 |
| Ng | even with pretty much default compiz settings I'm still seeing it, I guess I'll try a fresh user later | 11:36 |
| mvo_ | I'm seening very strange behaviour sometimes with jaunty X, some mouse actions (like clicking on the panel do not work) and some keys (like alt-tab, alt-f1) do not work. buttons in apps (like thunderbird) can not be clicked. its as if something has a grab on the mouse/keyboard and not letting go of it or something. have you seen bugreports like this? | 12:46 |
| mvo_ | IIRC evan had something similar during the sprint, so I think its not my spooky hardware | 12:47 |
| tjaalton | I've not seen that | 12:48 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: did you read this? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA4Ng | 16:25 |
| tseliot | weird | 16:26 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: the nouveau article? | 16:30 |
| tseliot | yep | 16:31 |
| tseliot | it looks like they will use it instead of nv | 16:31 |
| bryce | mvo_, I've seen some reports of weird grabbing behavior, in xserver-xorg-input-evdev iirc | 16:33 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: what's weird about it? :) | 16:34 |
| bryce | sounds like very good news to me; we've been needing someone to volunteer to guineapig it, so we can use it in karmic :-) | 16:34 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: does it mean that it works better than "nv" already? It would be great news | 16:34 |
| mvo | bryce: I have no idea where to even start debugging this, but I get it every now and than, nothing really unusual in the logs AFAICS | 16:35 |
| bryce | tseliot: if it didn't, I'm not sure that would stop fedora ;-) | 16:35 |
| tseliot | hehe | 16:35 |
| tseliot | right | 16:35 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: for some chips it actually works, so | 16:35 |
| tseliot | even better | 16:36 |
| tseliot | ;) | 16:36 |
| bryce | mvo: well, on the theory that it's an -evdev bug, if you have steps to reproduce reliably, an easy start might be to try running an older release of -evdev | 16:36 |
| bryce | (assuming this is a regression for you) | 16:36 |
| bryce | another possibility is a bug in the xserver, so reverting that back might be the next step, if it's not too difficult | 16:37 |
| mvo | bryce: ok, that sounds good. I will start with going back with -evdev . the trouble is that it seems to be not reliable to reporduce (or at least I have no pattern yet) | 16:39 |
| bryce | mvo: next two times it happens, check what processes are running to see if there are commonalities | 16:42 |
| bryce | it is possible there is something which is triggering the grab. There is one bug I'm aware of I looked at yesterday, let me find it again | 16:43 |
| bryce | tjaalton: thoughts on bug #320632 ? | 16:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 320632 in xfree86-driver-synaptics "tap-to-click and edge-scrolling broken in Jaunty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320632 | 16:45 |
| tjaalton | bryce: tseliot has been working on it recently, but I think there are some related fixes in 2.6.29 | 16:47 |
| * tseliot has a look at the bug report | 16:48 | |
| tseliot | bryce, tjaalton: there are some problems with ALPS touchpads but, since I don't own one yet, there is very little I can do | 16:51 |
| tseliot | this might change though ;) | 16:51 |
| bryce | ok, tseliot can I put you in touch with SteveA on 320632? He has reproduced the issue on a recent upgrade and has some questions about it | 16:53 |
| tseliot | bryce: ok | 16:53 |
| thomasdelbeke | Hi there | 17:41 |
| thomasdelbeke | I was referred to here by seb128 | 17:41 |
| thomasdelbeke | I reported earlier: | 17:41 |
| thomasdelbeke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/323694 | 17:42 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 323694 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "xorg + VGA driver + BIOS incompatibility ; Symtom: right keypad does no longer work." [Undecided,New] | 17:42 |
| thomasdelbeke | Now I have a new one: | 17:42 |
| thomasdelbeke | http://paste.ubuntu.com/122485/ | 17:45 |
| thomasdelbeke | Is it the same? | 17:45 |
| Laney | http://pastebin.com/f6da02497 is this normal? I'm experiencing incredible slowness on my desktop | 21:30 |
| * Ng wonders if bug 296167 would be worth an SRU - it's the top bug in a "by number of users affected" search on xorg-xserver, by some margin | 21:48 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 296167 in ubuntu "X.org will stop responding to mouse clicks on Ibex with Xinerama. Occurs frequently, Fatal Error." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296167 | 21:48 |
| Ng | I do like that search mode :) | 21:48 |
| bryce | Ng: is there a regression-free patch identified? | 21:49 |
| Ng | I had a quick poke in the linked fedora bug and it doesn't look like they've linked/attached a patch, just pointed at a cause and a build with it fixed :/ | 21:50 |
| bryce | heh, I see I asked someone already to locate the patch, and the responses are just "is it fixed yet?" | 21:50 |
| bryce | yeah I tried to poke at it myself but couldn't find the patch | 21:50 |
| bryce | so no SRU until we have a patch | 21:50 |
| Laney | I just filed bug 334066 | 22:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334066 in xorg "xorg is terribly slow after Intrepid -> Jaunty upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334066 | 22:09 |
| Laney | quite welcome to bisect if someone can assist | 22:09 |
| Laney | s/welcome/willing/ | 22:10 |
| tjaalton | Laney: purge fglrx | 22:15 |
| Laney | tjaalton: It happens with -ati too though | 22:16 |
| tjaalton | it doesn't support the new xserver, and having the module loaded means that you get no DRI | 22:16 |
| Laney | but right, I will do that anyway | 22:16 |
| maxb | This is a bit perplexing. Many times today, I have: right clicked the update notifier, chosen "install all updates". Waited. Brought the "Untitled window" of synaptic to the front. At this point compiz crashes. | 22:17 |
| maxb | metacity seems to autostart in its place | 22:18 |
| maxb | any thoughts on things I could include to make a useful bugreport? | 22:18 |
| tjaalton | maxb: more in the -desktop territory | 22:18 |
| maxb | ah, fair enough | 22:18 |
| Laney | hmm | 22:30 |
| Laney | actually that bug isn't right | 22:30 |
| Laney | if I disable the metacity compositor it returns to normal speed | 22:30 |
| albert23 | Ng, bryce: 296167 seems to be http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18668. Steven Harms reports the fix works in Intrepid. | 22:37 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 18668 in Server/general "Mouse buttons sometimes stop responding when moving from one xinerama screen to another" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 22:38 |
| albert23 | Pushed as 9fe9b6e4ef669b192ee349e3290db5d2aeea273c and nominated for 1.6 | 22:38 |
| bryce | Laney: see wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting and the bit about fglrx conflicting with ati and how to fix | 22:38 |
| bryce | albert23: thanks, can you update the lp bug report? | 22:39 |
| albert23 | bryce: sure, I will | 22:40 |
| Ng | albert23: win :) | 22:42 |
| Laney | bryce: It all seems removed (that uninstallation script is nowhere to be found though) | 23:16 |
| bryce | Laney: ok, and after rebooting is the issue still present? | 23:17 |
| Laney | bryce: With the metacity compositor off it's mostly fine | 23:17 |
| Laney | moving/resizing windows is much better | 23:17 |
| Laney | but scrolling in applications seems pretty sluggish still | 23:18 |
| bryce | Laney: lspci | grep VGA ? | 23:21 |
| Laney | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1950 GT | 23:21 |
| bryce | hmm, that's a r580 | 23:22 |
| bryce | in theory that should be well supported by -ati, however the support is relatively new so there could still be bugs | 23:23 |
| bryce | Laney: is there anything of interesting note in your Xorg.0.log? In particular look to see if you're using XAA or EXA acceleration | 23:23 |
| bryce | also if you're using EXA, test if XAA makes a difference (or vice versa) | 23:24 |
| bryce | beyond that, please file a bug via `ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati` and we can follow up on launchpad. | 23:24 |
| Laney | roger | 23:29 |
| Laney | (II) RADEON(0): XAA Render acceleration unsupported on Radeon 9500/9700 and newer. Please use EXA instead. | 23:29 |
| Laney | (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) | 23:29 |
| Laney | is that normal? | 23:29 |
| Laney | not supported, using it anyway :( | 23:29 |
| Laney | looks like I should wait for 6.12 | 23:57 |
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