[00:37] <avuton> I'm running in a 256M environment, would xubuntu take less memory then ubuntu (which seems to tap at the sight of my ram)
[00:44] <charlie-tca> avuton: yes
[00:45] <charlie-tca> If you use the Xubuntu packages
[00:45] <avuton> charlie-tca: then it will take significantly less ram?
[00:45] <charlie-tca> If you chose to install open-office.org and other resource grabbers, it won
[00:45] <charlie-tca> s/won/won't
[00:46] <avuton> OK, I'll give it a shot then
[00:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know how significant, but it is less.
[01:16] <[AfZ]TomServo1> so how long do i have to lurk before i can ask questions here
[01:17] <zoredache> you can ask them immediatly, and if someone knows the answer, and they are awake they may answer
[01:17] <[AfZ]TomServo1> wow
[01:17] <[AfZ]TomServo1> awesome ;)
[01:19] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i need to figure out how to install my proprietary graphics driver, or at least how to roll back to the one i know works in case
[01:20] <charlie-tca> !nvidia
[01:20] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and i have an intel 82845G onboard vid chip
[01:23] <[AfZ]TomServo1> thanks for the link, though
[02:04] <rollthedice> For some reason during Xubuntu installation the installer hangs and crashes when starting the Partition editor, anyone experience this??
[02:05] <rollthedice> 8.10 / 8.04 both CD's and alternate disk installation.
[02:06] <charlie-tca> Do the cd's pass integrity checks
[02:06] <charlie-tca> ?
[02:06] <rollthedice> Yes
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Very strange, but I think there is a bug on it. If not, please file one, but make to give what your hardware is.
[02:07] <rollthedice> It is an old computer, I assume it is an issue with my harddrive
[02:07] <charlie-tca> I had it happen with cd-rw's before, but not with cd-r's
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Could be a bad hard drive, too.
[02:08] <rollthedice> When I start xubuntu in live CD mode, I can start the partition editor though.
[02:08] <rollthedice> It just fails on the install.
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it formats the disk during the install, after collecting the information
[02:09] <rollthedice> I assumed it would allow you to select the partition to format.
[02:09] <rollthedice> It just crashes before Checking Disk.
[02:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. It is also determined to have 80 pin IDE cables
[02:09] <rollthedice> Is there a way to work around that?
[02:09] <charlie-tca> If you have 40 wire cables, it will crash
[02:09] <rollthedice> That could be a possibility.
[02:10] <charlie-tca> New drive cables. ATA-133, I think they sometimes call them. the 80-wire cables
[02:10] <rollthedice> Should be compatible with my current hardware
[02:11] <charlie-tca> The end on the motherboard is normally blue. They are compatible with all the hardware except extremely old systems. Like the mid-90's or earlier won't work with them
[02:12] <charlie-tca> I have only come across one P2 motherboard that would not accept them
[02:12] <rollthedice> nice, could be a cheap fix
[02:13] <charlie-tca> yes, if that is it. It makes it look like the hard drive is dead.
[02:13] <rollthedice> Rather not spend a lot of money on a 10 year old computer
[02:13] <charlie-tca> You could try 7.10 and see if it works. It doesn't require the new cables.
[02:13] <rollthedice> I'm on it
[02:14] <charlie-tca> 8.04 and 8.10 both insisted on them, and they have to be connected correctly. The long end on the motherboard.
[02:14] <charlie-tca> Even 80-wire cables fail, if they are not connected correct.
[02:15] <rollthedice> I'll try 7.10 first.
[02:15] <charlie-tca> It will rule out the hard drive, at least.
[02:15] <rollthedice> Are the updates from 8.10 and 7.10 that noticable?
[02:16] <rollthedice> Er 7.10 and 8.10
[02:16] <rollthedice> If it is I might just try a different OS.
[02:16] <charlie-tca> yes. I think so. 8.10 has better wireless networking, easier configurations.
[02:17] <charlie-tca> The cable thing is the linux kernel. All distrobutions ran into it.
[02:17] <rollthedice> Doh
[02:17] <charlie-tca> I think it was found by redhat originally, but I am not sure.
[02:18] <rollthedice> Ahh
[02:18] <rollthedice> Well anything is better than XP S1
[02:18] <rollthedice> SP1
[02:18] <charlie-tca> Well, yeah.
[02:19] <charlie-tca> If 7.10 worked, you would know to get the new cables, right?
[02:19] <rollthedice> Yeah
[02:19] <rollthedice> It would rule out the HD
[02:19] <rollthedice> I'd just slap new cables on and allow it to update
[02:20] <rollthedice> If not, a cheap HD might be in order
[02:20] <rollthedice> I might have one laying aroundd
[02:20] <charlie-tca> yeah, that too.
[02:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> what cmd do i use to find what video driver is currently being used by my vid card
[02:27] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i tried the online docs already
[02:27] <charlie-tca> lspci -vv
[02:31] <rollthedice> Thanks for the help charlie, have a good evening.
[02:34] <[AfZ]TomServo1> well, maybe i should ask if i'm right before i try to change my video driver
[02:35] <[AfZ]TomServo1> will the proprietary drivers run the video more efficiently than the prepackaged ones
[02:36] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i mean, in general
[02:37] <charlie-tca> it's Intel?
[02:37] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah
[02:38] <charlie-tca> To the best of my knowledge, they are equal for Intel video
[02:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> ok
[02:39] <charlie-tca> Sorry. I don't think that was what you wanted.
[02:40] <[AfZ]TomServo1> well not really, but i don't want to try something that could destroy my installation if i don't have to
[02:41] <charlie-tca> Unless it is some of the latest stuff, it won't make much difference
[02:42] <[AfZ]TomServo1> it isn't, heh
[02:43] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but even so, i don't think my graphics should be running as slow as they are
[02:43] <charlie-tca> 8.04 or 8.10?
[02:43] <[AfZ]TomServo1> 8.1
[02:43] <[AfZ]TomServo1> xubuntu
[02:44] <charlie-tca> That seems to be one of the drawbacks to 8.10. I have heard that a lot.
[02:44] <charlie-tca> We're hoping Jaunty fixes whatever it is.
[02:45] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i hope so too
[02:47] <[AfZ]TomServo1> well thanks for your help
[02:49] <charlie-tca> good luck
[04:47] <whaboo> guys i need some help .. in xubuntu how do i change screen resolution? its not under settings
[04:50] <Mood> Settings->Settings Manager->Display
[04:51] <whaboo> Mood okay what if i have an external monitor?
[04:51] <whaboo> how can i see both under settings?
[04:51] <Mood> define "external monitor"
[04:51] <whaboo> i have a laptop connected on an external monitor
[04:52] <Mood> so you have two monitors?
[04:52] <whaboo> its on a 19 inch screen
[04:52] <whaboo> no im only using the 19 inch screen not the laptop's monitor
[04:53] <Mood> and changing the Desktop resolution under Settings Manager doesn't do it?
[04:53] <whaboo> no it only gives me 800x600
[04:53] <Mood> what's your max resolution of your 19 inch?
[04:53] <whaboo> my video card is recognised
[04:54] <whaboo> 1600x1200 i think
[04:54] <whaboo> not sure
[04:54] <whaboo> i know u can do it through the terminal somehow
[04:54] <whaboo> it used to work under pclinuxos and mint
[04:55] <Mood> hmm....
[04:55] <Mood> i only use one monitor myself
[04:55] <Mood> but looks like some people have different levels of luck w/ different solutions:
[04:55] <Mood> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[04:56] <Mood> seems dependent on video card
[04:56] <whaboo> well its a laptop .. but the laptop's screen is broken so i have a 19 inch monitor connected
[04:57] <whaboo> somehow it only sees the laptop's resolution
[04:57] <whaboo> laptop's screen resolution
[04:57] <Mood> yeah it seems from the online chatter that x/k/ubuntu have issues w/ dual monitors... goto that link i sent ya and start there
[06:22] <rollthedice> Anyone around?
[06:23] <Sw3RvE> yea but im not an expert.
[06:31] <Sw3RvE> roll do you need help with something?
[06:43] <rollthedice> Ah sorry, I was wondering why Xubuntu would fail installation when the partitioning part came around; yet when I run Wubi it installs fine.
[06:44] <rollthedice> And I was wondering if there is any disadvantage to running a dual boot(Wubi) compared to regular installation.
[06:44] <Sw3RvE> i cant help you with that. im sure someone here or in #ubuntu could help you with that.
[06:45] <rollthedice> You have no experience with Wubi?
[06:45] <Sw3RvE> i dont even know what it is. lol
[06:45] <Sw3RvE> i have dual boot with XP/Xubuntu using GRUB and it works fine.
[06:46] <rollthedice> Ah, well i assume the only disadvantage to dual-booting is a loss of HD space
[06:46] <rollthedice> Of which I have no concern since I have externals.
[06:46] <Sw3RvE> well yea of course
[06:46] <Sw3RvE> yea same here i dont keep a lot of things that i need on the computers drive.
[06:46] <Sw3RvE> i need a new external my 120gb is full
[06:48] <rollthedice> Yeah, they are super cheap now
[06:48] <rollthedice> Only problem is that the 250s are about 10 bucks cheaper than the 1TB's
[06:48] <Sw3RvE> i need a job so i can finish buying the rest of the parts for my new pc.
[06:49] <rollthedice> You get laid off or you schooling?
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> i still need: ram, cpu fan, motherboard, and a video card
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> i got fired and im in school now
[06:49] <Sw3RvE> i was making good money but i hated the job
[06:49] <rollthedice> Service Industry is booming now, I'd become a bartender.
[06:50] <rollthedice> I make around 56g a year and have a LOT of free time.
[06:50] <rollthedice> Thanks for the help.
[06:56] <Sw3RvE> quiet here tonight
[06:56] <zoredache> a little too quite...
[06:57] <Sw3RvE> zored brad is having trouble with his desktop
[06:58] <Sw3RvE> when he enabled xfce to manage his desktop his menu and icons went crazy.
[06:59] <Brad450> something is wrong with XFCE can i like reset it or something??
[07:00] <Sw3RvE> zoredache you there?
[07:03] <Brad450> my icons keep vanishing with any input. if i right click anyware on the desktop gone. if i try and start it gone. i already had ¨places¨ disapear i dont know how to bring it back? can somone please help me
[07:10] <Brad450> my icons keep vanishing with any input. if i right click anyware on the desktop gone. if i try and start it gone. i already had ¨places¨ disapear i dont know how to bring it back? can somone please help me
[07:13] <land> what's this place?
[07:15] <zoredache> I know nothing...
[07:15] <zoredache> !hi | land
[07:15] <zoredache> !xubuntu
[07:16]  * land says hi zoredache, ubottu
[07:16] <Sw3RvE> lol
[07:16] <land> guys, i need some help
[07:18] <zoredache> ask a question, if someone knows they answer, they might just anser you
[07:18] <land> i'm on Mint; i'm havin' a hard time activating proprietary driver for my ATI graphics
[07:18] <Brad450> Xfce keeps fucking with my desktop icons they keep vanashing with a click. evertime this happens i need to go into desktop settings and un check and re check allow Xfce to manage desktop
[07:20] <zoredache> !nvidia
[12:15] <rinovan> hi all
[12:15] <rinovan> where is xorg.conf xubuntu 8.10
[12:23] <Reno`> what do you want make with xorg.conf
[12:23] <Reno`> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:44] <rinovan> ye
[12:44] <rinovan> yes
[12:45] <rinovan> I do X -configure
[12:45] <Angolares> hi
[12:45] <Angolares> I have a problem with compilation libraries:   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122363/
[12:46] <Angolares> thats only happen at Xubuntu, i dont have this problem on ubuntu
[12:46] <Angolares> any idea?
[12:51] <Myrtti> I suppose the version of hylafax you're trying to compile has some very distinct differences to the one that can be installed with the package manager
[12:53] <Angolares> If i try with another older it could be better?
[12:53] <Myrtti> Angolares: why are you trying to compile it?
[12:54] <Myrtti> !info hylafax-client
[12:54] <Myrtti> !info hylafax-server
[12:55] <Angolares> beacuse i only have the source
[12:55] <Myrtti> erm.
[12:55] <Myrtti> so why don't you install it with the package manager so you'd have the binaries?
[12:56] <Myrtti> you don't need to compile it
[12:56] <Angolares> where can i find it?
[12:56] <Angolares> the binaries?
[12:56] <Myrtti> in synaptic, search for hylafax
[12:56] <Angolares> ok, i found it
[12:58] <Angolares> i tried and the OS said that could not find hylafax-doc
[13:18] <Angolares> Finally
[13:18] <Angolares> Hylafax is installed
[13:18] <Angolares> Myrtti?
[13:18] <Myrtti> yes?
[13:19] <Angolares> you know hylafax?
[13:19] <Myrtti> nope
[13:19] <Angolares> ok
[13:19] <Myrtti> I've used a fax machine about twenty years ago
[13:19] <Myrtti> :-D
[13:19] <Angolares> i have one how to of suse and hylafax... but i think is not the same
[13:20] <Angolares> i write faxsetup and not really runs setup
[13:27] <sebanio> Did anyone ever get OpenArena running in Xubuntu? It just doesn't start for me, any ideas?
[14:32] <volo> hi
[14:33] <SiDi> hi
[16:06] <cybernaut> hallo
[16:07] <vidd> hello cybernaut
[16:07] <cybernaut> hello, this is english-speaking, ok
[16:07] <vidd> yes
[16:08] <cybernaut> does anybody know if it exists for xfce: i am looking for something wich shows me when a cd is inserted and offers me the possibility to eject the cd within xfce
[16:08] <vidd> you mean "the drive shows up on the desktop"?
[16:08] <SiDi> When you put your CD in the drive, it should popup in Thunar's mounted devices list, and if you right click it, you should get the "Eject" option
[16:08] <SiDi> He "ejected" himself :p
[16:09] <SiDi> When you put your CD in the drive, it should popup in Thunar's mounted devices list, and if you right click it, you should get the "Eject" option
[16:10] <charlie-tca> SiDi: I think that was broke in Hardy, wasn't it?
[16:11] <SiDi> Don't know, i never used Xubuntu Hardy
[16:11] <osde8info> are you starting xfce from gdm or startx ?
[16:11] <cybernaut> SiDi: thank you, so thunar is the solution
[16:11] <cybernaut> vidd: the drive should show on desktop, i wish :
[16:11] <cybernaut> :)
[16:12] <cybernaut> btw, i am  using intrepid
[16:13] <cybernaut> which windowmanager do you use ?
[16:13] <vidd> cybernaut, it used to do that...but that functionality has dropped
[16:13] <cybernaut> dropped ? hmm sounds strange
[16:13]  * vidd uses slim on some machines and gdm on others
[16:14] <cybernaut> slim sounds interesting, never heard of
[16:14] <osde8info> with ootb xubu 8.04 xfce 4 and thunar 0.9.0 cd has popped up on desktop and a window of files
[16:14] <vidd> ootb?
[16:14] <SiDi> cybernaut: you can use nautilus's desktop at worse (i feel someone's gonna slap me for this)
[16:14] <SiDi> feel like *
[16:14] <osde8info> out-of-the-box
[16:15] <vidd> *slap* SiDi
[16:15] <SiDi> Thanks
[16:15] <cybernaut> so you think xfce is not the worst :)
[16:15] <SiDi> Does thunar/Xfce use the gconf settings for displaying volumes on the desktop ?
[16:15] <cody-somerville> no
[16:15]  * vidd actually prefers openbox/slim combo over xfce/gdm
[16:18] <charlie-tca> cybernaut: We do show the cd drive in Jaunty. Also, putting in a cd makes it show up on desktop
[16:20] <cybernaut> Hi charlie-tca, jaunty is a new information for me. i will check it out. thank yo
[16:20] <vidd> cybernaut, jaunty is the next release....still in testing...due out in april
[16:22] <cybernaut> jaunty is post intrepid. wow
[16:22] <cybernaut> and jaunty with xfce has new options you mean
[16:24] <SiDi> btw, when will xubuntu come with its own human-based theme ? :O
[16:25] <vidd> ive heard that ubuntu is leaving dirt-brown behind in 9.10
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Why would we?
[16:28] <SiDi> Because it'd look better after a fresh install, charlie-tca :p
[16:28] <SiDi> i don't like xfce's default xfwm :(
[16:42] <cybernaut> thank you for your infos
[17:13] <brandonban6> i like xfce's default theme....I think it's sharp. Each to their own I suppose.
[17:14]  * wormsxulla likes the rat
[17:18] <cybernaut> its a rat ? i thougt it is a mouse
[17:19] <wormsxulla> :) i prefer to think of it as a rat (black rat for me)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I thought it was a mouse, too
[17:20]  * wormsxulla sulks
[17:20] <charlie-tca> it could be a rat, maybe?
[17:20]  * wormsxulla smiles
[17:21] <charlie-tca> (for somebody)
[17:21] <wormsxulla> :)
[17:24] <vidd> its a mouse....
[17:25] <wormsxulla> you guys are destroying my dreams
[17:25] <vidd> the rat's tail is proportinally larger compared to the body
[17:29] <knome> wormsxulla, your dreams are faulty. come up with replacement ones.
[17:32] <wormsxulla> http://vertex.corpsmoderne.net/main.php?g2_itemId=36
[17:32] <wormsxulla> that's my wallpaper, you can see it's a big RAT :p
[17:33] <charlie-tca> looks like a mouse to me...
[17:33] <charlie-tca> All the rats I have seen are definitely different
[17:34] <wormsxulla> ahahah
[17:34] <wormsxulla> i actually can't really tell the difference, it's a matter of perspective
[17:35] <vidd> wormsxulla, you see a rat, you will be able to tell =]
[17:35]  * charlie-tca nods
[17:47] <crazygir> which vm application (vmware/virtualbox) runs nicely on xubuntu?
[17:47] <crazygir> *runs/installs
[17:47] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox
[17:48] <charlie-tca> is the one I use
[17:48] <_Pete_> vmware server runs/installs nicely on my xubuntu
[17:49] <_Pete_> and also have virtualbox
[17:49] <zoredache> _Pete_: v1, or v2?
[17:49] <crazygir> _Pete_: would you suggest one over the other?
[17:49] <_Pete_> zoredache: v2
[17:50] <_Pete_> crazygir: it depends how you like to use those
[17:50] <crazygir> I've really only used vmware, but having watched a friend bang his head through vmware/ubuntu, I'm starting to wonder
[17:50] <zoredache> _Pete_: did you have to do something special to get the firefox-plugin for the console to work?
[17:50] <glitsj16> is there a way to get xfce 4.6 (rc1) into Xubuntu using a dpkg repository ?
[17:50] <_Pete_> zoredache: no
[17:51] <crazygir> trying to install vb returns an error, any way to find out what the actual error was?
[17:51] <zoredache> personally I prefer vmware over virtual box, but then I have a farm of 15 ESX servers, so I have a bit of a bias towards building vms compatible with the rest of our infrastucture.
[17:52] <crazygir> you sure do :)
[17:52] <crazygir> understandably
[17:52] <charlie-tca> glitsj16: it is in jaunty
[17:52] <charlie-tca> !daily
[17:53] <_Pete_> one thing that prevents me to use virtualbox is it's missing ability to run vm's in background which can be done with wmware workstation and server
[17:53] <crazygir> what do you mean by background?
[17:53] <crazygir> without the console up?
[17:53] <glitsj16> charlie-tca: thanks, i was specifically looking to see if the recent xfdesktop is able to present the right-click menu when compiz wallpaper plugin renders wallpapers on all workspaces
[17:53] <_Pete_> crazygir: yes
[17:54] <crazygir> in this case that's ok
[17:54] <crazygir> but yea, I see why that would be frustrating
[17:54] <crazygir> why does the package manager complain about errors but not *give* you the errors?
[17:55] <zoredache> crazygir: because errors frightten some people? So they hid them?
[17:55] <crazygir> zoredache: hiding is fine, but no "click here for more info" ?
[17:55] <crazygir> that's completely unacceptable
[17:56] <crazygir> sure, dumb down the system, that's fine, but don't limit the people who might know how to fix something
[17:56] <crazygir> or be able to figure it out
[17:56] <crazygir> *enable* the user
[17:56] <crazygir> zoredache: how would you find out what the package manager b0rked on?
[17:56] <zoredache> there is always the terminal if you want the nitty-gritty details
[17:57] <crazygir> that'd be nice if I knew how to use the package manager in the terminal :P
[17:57] <crazygir> guess I'll have to figure that one out
[17:57] <zoredache> ah, to install a package you use a command like 'apt-get install packagename'
[17:57] <crazygir> still seems unacceptably lame not to at least give you a way to get the error
[17:58] <zoredache> to update the package definitions do a 'apt-get update'
[17:58] <zoredache> to apply updates do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[17:58] <zoredache> put an sudo in front of all of those if you aren't  already in a root shell
[17:58] <crazygir> to search?
[17:58] <zoredache> apt-cache search pattern
[17:58] <crazygir> ah apt-cache
[17:58] <crazygir> silly linux
[17:59] <zoredache> or just look on packages.ubuntu.com
[17:59]  * crazygir nods
[17:59] <crazygir> thanks zoredache
[18:00] <crazygir> HAH, so it works with apt-get
[18:00] <crazygir> silly silly silly
[18:00] <crazygir> I guess the gui package manager didn't like figuring out dependencies and installing them
[18:02] <zoredache> maybe, it usually works mostly ok, but then I almost never actually use it
[18:03] <crazygir> question.. I'm using xubuntu at work cause it is (hopefully) simple and usable, and windows drives me insane. When I reinstall my own unix systems, I simply backup/restore /etc and /home to get my settings back. Is this as simple/straightforward in xubuntu?
[18:03] <cody-somerville> crazygir, yup
[18:03] <crazygir> (ie, could I simply backup/restore /etc and /home?)
[18:03] <crazygir> nice
[18:04] <zoredache> crazygir: there are some things under /var you would want to backup too maybe.
[18:04] <cody-somerville> there shouldn't be
[18:04] <crazygir> which apps/services?
[18:05] <zoredache> I for example really like knowing the list of packages installed which is found int /var
[18:05] <crazygir> the idea is to be able to get back up and running after a wipe/install/upgrade as simply and quickly as possible
[18:05] <crazygir> zoredache: good to know :)
[18:08] <Angolares> hi
[18:08] <zoredache> if you are running a web server or database server your data would be in /var/www or /var/lib/mysql
[18:08] <crazygir> sure
[18:08] <crazygir> that's not config though
[18:09] <zoredache> no, but it is data.  That is the type of thing you would want to backup/restore if you do a full system wipe
[18:10] <crazygir> sure
[18:10] <Angolares> could someone help me?? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122496/
[18:11] <zoredache> Angolares: try doing an 'apt-get install build-essential'
[18:11] <crazygir> I created a new partition and want to modify fstab to mount this, how do I determine what the UUID should be?
[18:12] <zoredache> the command  vol_id /dev/name would work
[18:12] <zoredache> you could also just put the device name into your fstab instead of the UUID
[18:12] <Angolares> i did it
[18:12] <Angolares> but always the same message
[18:13] <crazygir> cool cool
[18:13] <zoredache> Angolares: just out of curiosity, is there some reasy why are you trying to compile it instead of using the version from the repositories?
[18:14] <zoredache> Angolares: apt-get install hylafax-server hylafax-client
[18:16] <Angolares> i did it too apt-get... but one part of that have an error and do not install faxgetty, and after that they said that the solutio is do a new compile ...
[18:18] <m4rk> hi there! where can I get a fresh sources.list for my 7.10 xubuntu install?
[18:19] <Grrai> o/ !
[18:19] <zoredache> I see, you might try doing an apt-get build-dep hylafax-server hylafax-client and then an apt-get source hylafax and rebuilding from that
[18:20] <Angolares> ok, iḿ gonna trty
[18:20] <Angolares> try
[18:20] <zoredache> m4rk: did you delete the old one, or what?  If you are just needed the standard repositories then you should be able to copy a source.list for a current and replace the release name with fiesty or whatever 7.10 was
[18:21] <m4rk> zoredache: my old one is funted
[18:22] <m4rk> I messed it up. I just want a new one with standard repositories
[18:22] <Angolares> no, I think the problem is that the repositories is not saving at the correct place
[18:22] <charlie-tca> m4rk: I will get one and pastebin it for you.
[18:22] <m4rk> charlie-tca: thanks :-)
[18:23] <Grrai> I am about to install nvidia's driver for Geforce 9series, and I am recommended to set default run level so that system boots to vga-console. how do I do that? I know how to stop x, but not how not to boot to x... edit bootoptions in grublist?
[18:23] <charlie-tca> m4rk: 386 or amd64?
[18:23] <m4rk> i386
[18:25] <zoredache> charlie-tca: does your sources.list have the architecure listed in it?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> It should; let me bring it up and see
[18:26] <charlie-tca> bringing up 7.10 now
[18:27] <charlie-tca> zoredache: Only for the cd
[18:27] <Angolares> Serial port that modem is connected to [ttyS0]?   How can I know where is my modem conected to?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[18:28] <Angolares> are u talking to me?
[18:29] <Angolares> ahh, ok
[18:29] <zoredache> Angolares: gernerallyIf I don't know, generally, I just have to start guessing numbers it is usually something like /dev/ttyS?
[18:29] <Angolares> but there are a lot of ttyS
[18:29] <zoredache> it might be easier to find if you install minicom.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> m4rk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122502/
[18:30] <zoredache> really, on my system there are only 4
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Grrai: use recovery mode from the Grub menu; select root session
[18:32] <whabo> is there a way to get more than 800x600 resolution? on a 19 inch monitor connected to a laptop? help anyone?
[18:34] <Grrai> ah right, thanks charlie-tca
[18:35] <charlie-tca> whabo: try booting to recovery mode with it connected, select XFix from the menu.
[18:36] <whabo> ok thank you
[18:36] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't work, let us know
[18:37] <tempuser> Trying to get printing work by HP Laserjet 3100.
[18:38] <Trijntje> driver manager doesnt accept the sudo password. Any ideas whats wrong?
[18:38] <tempuser> Could I apply this: http://www.kivela.net/jaska/projects/lj3100/
[18:39] <Angolares> could someone tell me if found what port is conected to the modem??  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122504/
[18:39] <tempuser> I suppose I should downgrade ghostscript and find some alternative to printtool at least.
[18:39] <m4rk> charlie-tca: thanks for that mate. just about to eat my dinner, I will let you know how I go though!
[18:39] <m4rk> zoredache: thanks also :)
[18:40] <charlie-tca> You may need to login as the original user when Xubuntu was installed and use that password.
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Trijntje: ^ ^ ^
[18:40] <tempuser> Printing does not work in Xubuntu 8.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/332188
[18:41] <Trijntje> Thats is what i do. I can use the password to do sudo apt-get install foo, but not to acces driver management
[18:41] <charlie-tca> tempuser: That pretty well says it. Did you got to the answers link given?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> What version, Trijntje
[18:43] <whabo> guys i tried xfix no luck
[18:44] <whabo> just that as im using an external monitor its just letting me use the max resolution on 800x600
[18:44] <Trijntje> charlie-tca: I have just installed kubuntu 8.04 while keeping the home directory from ubuntu 8.04
[18:45] <Pres-Gas> Wow, there are just too many people in #ubuntu
[18:45]  * Pres-Gas wonders how questons get answered in there with so many people.
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Trijntje: that may be the problem. The config files might be fighting each other, I don't know.
[18:46] <Trijntje> charlie-tca: that is too bad, i thought it was quite possible to do that sort of thing with linux
[18:47] <nikolam> ok :) My girfriend is coming this evening
[18:47] <nikolam> And i can`t see external USB disk with movies
[18:47] <nikolam> It worked just hour ago and I umounted it and turned off
[18:47] <TheSheep> nikolam: does lsusb show it?
[18:47] <nikolam> Now I can`t see it in Xubuntu
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Trijntje: most things are possible. Sometimes though, it doesn´t quite work
[18:48] <nikolam> lsusb showed just the hub and mouse
[18:48] <TheSheep> nikolam: check the cable then
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Trijntje: that would be something to file a bug on, though
[18:48] <nikolam> And after re-connecting hub,  lsusb get stuck for few minutes
[18:48] <nikolam> and now it displays the same. no hub, no disk
[18:49] <nikolam> but i have partition`s icons on desktop
[18:49] <Trijntje> charlie-tca: i just tried again and i get a different 'password required' windows (without the option to remember) and it works now
[18:49] <zoredache> do you have enough ports to connect it directly without the hub?
[18:49] <nikolam> even after it is disconnected
[18:49] <Trijntje> its magic..
[18:49] <TheSheep> nikolam: what dmesg | tail  says?
[18:49] <nikolam> i have just a sec
[18:49] <TheSheep> nikolam: use a pastebin
[18:51] <nikolam> i think that dmesg | tail is useless because it is full of ppp0 output
[18:51] <nikolam> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122511/
[18:52] <nikolam> still no device on usb
[18:52] <nikolam> i mostly can connect usb disk on machine only once per boot
[18:53] <zoredache> do you properly unmount it before you disconnect it?
[18:53] <nikolam> it is 690g amd motherboard with sb600 south bridge
[18:53] <nikolam> yes i use panel applet, desktop umount, thunar umount and nothing
[18:53] <whabo> can anyone please help me .. i cant get a higher resolution than 800x600 :S i am using a laptop with an external monitor ... (19 inch wide) i really want a higher resolution i can't see anything TOO big. help
[18:53] <nikolam> only pcmanfm umount says it can umoumt it
[18:53] <nikolam> And i umount it with sudo
[18:54] <nikolam> whabo, lspci to find out what graphics chip you use. Also check maximal resolution for external monitor in nbook specifications. What is model?
[18:55] <nikolam> I am on 64-bit hardy
[18:56] <whabo> ok i will 1 sec
[18:56] <tempuser> charlie-tca: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by getting the answers link given.
[18:57] <charlie-tca> tempuser: from the bug report: There is more information in https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/54810 (Read especially my comments.)
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Did you read the question and answers?
[18:59] <whabo> yep its an ATI  and the max resolution is Resolution: 1,680x1050
[19:00] <tempuser> charlie-tca: Yes. I actually made the bug report.
[19:01] <nikolam> whabo, what ati
[19:01] <charlie-tca> tempuser: I see
[19:01] <whabo> ATI 340 M
[19:02] <whabo> its intergrated laptop graphics card
[19:02] <TheSheep> nikolam: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=164996
[19:02] <tempuser> http://www.kivela.net/jaska/projects/lj3100/ I got from the answers page.
[19:03] <nikolam> whabo, it is RS200 chip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_chipsets
[19:03] <charlie-tca> tempuser: Didn't look to me like the lj3100 is really gonna work in Ubuntu
[19:04] <whabo> yes it is that
[19:04] <TheSheep> nikolam: also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188802
[19:04] <whabo> thast what the lspci told me
[19:04] <whabo> RS200
[19:04] <whabo> RS200/RS200m chip
[19:05] <nikolam> TheSheep, great, maybe i will set it on internal drive in that external case. but i think it foes the same for usb memory flash drives, nevermind, i will reboot for now..
[19:06] <nikolam> whabo, it seems that open source driver is best for that chip
[19:06] <whabo> fglrx << should i try this one?
[19:06] <whabo> it says its for media accelerator drivers
[19:06] <nikolam> whabo, see #radeon, #radeonhd
[19:07] <TheSheep> nikolam: it's generally a hardware error, check the cable, the hub, the jumpers, etc.
[19:07] <nikolam> i don`t think you should try it
[19:07] <whabo> nikolam i am only getting 800x600 resolution
[19:07] <nikolam> TheSheep, ok, i think that is something about usb sontroller support on sb600 south bridge
[19:08] <nikolam> whabo, try to install radeon driver
[19:08] <whabo> ok thank you
[19:14] <nikolam> TheSheep, i found it : 690g/sb600 with usb: http://groups.google.com/group/x1250/browse_thread/thread/89b59d62236488e8?hide_quotes=no#msg_d7fee782ac1f7201
[19:15] <nikolam> http://groups.google.com/group/x1250/browse_thread/thread/6c00f58258a24c35#
[19:15] <nikolam> TheSheep, http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=120782765829450&w=2
[19:15] <nikolam> no luck for me, seems that it is fixed in 2.6.25+
[19:16] <TheSheep> nikolam: I bet iot's the cable, 99% of the time it is the cable
[19:16] <nikolam> TheSheep, in this case it`s not. on other machine works fine and flash have probs too
[19:17] <nikolam> nevermind TheSheep , will reboot
[19:19] <tempuser> charlie-tca: maybe so, but could http://www.kivela.net/jaska/projects/lj3100/ applied somehow in ubuntu?
[19:21] <Myrtti> tempuser: Last modified: Sat Sep 27 16:26:16 EET DST 2003
[19:22] <whabo> how can i switch from XOrg to Xrandr because my log file of XOrg says that Xrandr output would be 1680x1050 > here is my log file thank you guys for everything http://pastebin.com/m5121401c
[19:23] <TheSheep> whabo: you are confused
[19:23] <TheSheep> whabo: xrandr is part of xorg
[19:23] <TheSheep> whabo: see xrandr --help
[19:24] <Trijntje> Hi all, i'm trying to get flash working in firefox on a fresh install. I have flashplugin-nonfree installed (via firefoxs ´install missing plugin') but somehow firefox cant use it
[19:24] <tempuser> Myrtti: so it was working a long time ago.
[19:24] <Myrtti> tempuser: what I mean is that I wouldn't blindly go attempting to use that page since it's quite old
[19:25] <TheSheep> tempuser: don't use that, install flashplugin-nonfree with synaptic
[19:25] <TheSheep> tempuser: sorry
[19:25] <TheSheep> Trijntje: that was for you :)
[19:26] <nikolam> whabo did you install radeon driver, also check #radeon and #radeonh channels for support
[19:27] <Trijntje> thesheep: I already have that installed, i think firefox did that
[19:28] <vidd> Trijntje, no... install it via synaptic or it wont install correctly
[19:31] <Trijntje> vidd, ok, ill uninstall it first, and then reinstall it
[19:33] <Trijntje> vidd, Plugin is not installed: md5 mismatch
[19:33] <Trijntje> says apt-get
[19:48] <Trijntje> well, ill try to fix it some other time, cu later all
[19:48] <likemindead> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:48] <likemindead>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[19:48] <likemindead>   linux-restricted-modules-generic lp-solve openoffice.org
[19:48] <likemindead>   openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc
[19:48] <likemindead>   openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw
[19:48] <likemindead>   openoffice.org-filter-binfilter openoffice.org-impress
[19:48] <likemindead>   openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-officebean
[19:48] <likemindead>   openoffice.org-style-human openoffice.org-writer python-uno
[19:48] <likemindead> Why is this?
[19:49] <zoredache> !pastebin | likemindead
[19:49] <likemindead> And how do I get them to install?
[19:49] <likemindead> M'kay.
[19:50] <likemindead> Any help?
[19:50] <zoredache> don't know, whatever it was that you tried to post didn't come through for me
[19:50] <likemindead> Ah... one sec.
[19:51] <crazygir> likemindead: use a fscking paste bin service damn it
[19:51] <likemindead> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122535/
[19:51] <likemindead> M'kay.
[19:52] <likemindead> Why are they being "held back" & how do I rectify?
[19:52] <zoredache> ah, I was expecting more detail.  What are you doing, what command did you run that gave you that output?
[19:53] <likemindead> Just a good ol' sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade is all.
[19:53] <likemindead> Weird.
[19:53] <zoredache> you probably want to use 'dist-upgrade'
[19:53] <zoredache> upgrade will not add/remove packages
[19:53] <likemindead> Ah. Those are Jaunty packages?
[19:53] <zoredache> if a package depends on something new, then it won't be allowed to be upgraded
[19:54] <likemindead> Oh. So this is normal for 8.10 users?
[19:54] <zoredache> likemindead: I don't know, are they?  Are you pointed at jaunty in your sources.list?
[19:55] <likemindead> Negative. Ibex all the way.
[19:55] <zoredache> I don't know if it is normal.  I have mostly been letting the update manager do all that stuff lately
[19:56] <likemindead> Yeah, if I run the GUI update mangaer it warns me that I can only do a "partial upgrade" but doesn't say why.
[19:57] <zoredache> do you have backports, or some other unofficial repositories enabled?
[19:58] <zoredache> anyway run the dist-upgrade.  Apt will tell you exactly what it wants to add/remove
[19:58] <likemindead> No backports. Maybe the Banshee and OOo 3.0 repos.
[19:58] <likemindead> Ah. Cool.
[19:59] <likemindead> Just "sudo dist-upgrade" ?
[19:59] <zoredache> apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:59] <zoredache> sudo as well, if you aren't in a root shell
[19:59] <likemindead> Thanks. Also: http://paste.ubuntu.com/122536/
[20:09] <crazygir> how come some packages are available from apt-get (cli) and not the gui package manager?
[20:10] <Myrtti> crazygir: depends on what package manager you use
[20:10] <Myrtti> gui one, I mean
[20:10] <Myrtti> I've noticed that Add/Remove doesn't list them all
[20:10] <Myrtti> synaptic has everything, though
[20:11] <zoredache> crazygir: I almost never use the gui except for automatic updates... It sure seems like the same should be avaiable in both though
[20:13] <crazygir> yea, add/remove sucks :P
[20:13] <crazygir> its searching capability is also rather blah
[20:14] <crazygir> I don't quite understand why both are distributed though
[20:14] <crazygir> seems like a good place for confusion
[20:17] <Myrtti> the other is for beginners, other for intermediate/experts
[20:17] <Sw3RvE> whats that ubuntu and xubuntu?
[20:18] <Myrtti> no, add/remove and synaptic
[20:19] <Sw3RvE> oh they seem to work about the same for me. lol
[20:22] <crazygir> Sw3RvE: not everything is available in add/remove
[20:23]  * crazygir curses GNU mv
[20:23] <Sw3RvE> oh
[20:23] <crazygir> why can't it operate the same as every other unix mv?
[20:23]  * crazygir growls
[20:23] <zoredache> whats does it do differently?
[20:23] <Sw3RvE> i wish i could get the internet to work on dsl
[20:29] <rocko> intronets
[20:29] <rocko> intertubes
[20:29] <rocko> interotubes
[20:45] <tempuser> Myrtti: There is newer upload at http://www.linuxprinting.org/download/printing/hplj_3100_3150/ bu the msgs are from year 2000.
[20:58] <charlie-tca> zoredache: apt-get, synaptic-package-manger, and add/remove use different databases, as I understand it.
[21:12] <atrox_> Could somebody help me with repository indexes failing to download?
[21:13] <cody-somerville> Certainly
[21:13] <cody-somerville> What error are you getting?
[21:13] <Sw3RvE> is there a way to install a network adapter driver using terminal
[21:13] <atrox_> hold on a sec, im just about to pastebin it
[21:14] <atrox_> http://pastebin.com/m3d9bab33
[21:14] <atrox_> im a new linux user, so still finding my way around the system
[21:16] <atrox_> any ideas?
[21:19] <TheSheep> atrox_: try a different mirror
[21:24] <whabo> can anyone help me with screen resolution
[21:25] <brandonban6> what is the issue exactly?
[21:25] <brandonban6> whabo,  i meant :)
[21:25] <whabo> i want to change my LVDS to VGA-0 permanently . as my laptop screen is broken .. and its only giving me a 1024x768 on a 19 inch wide screen
[21:26] <whabo> i can show you my xorg.log
[21:26] <whabo> and my xrandr file
[21:26] <whabo> it is only giving me what my laptop's screen resolution is on my 19 inch wide screen
[21:27] <brandonban6> are you using ati or Nvidia drivers? how are you editing the screen resolution?
[21:27] <whabo> i am using an ATI
[21:27] <whabo> its a 340 m laptop intergrated chip
[21:28] <whabo> i am editing my screen resolution through the settings manager in xubuntu
[21:28] <brandonban6> so are you trying to set this with ATIconfig in terminal or through a GUI?
[21:28] <whabo> its only giving me what my aptop is capable of
[21:28] <whabo> GUI
[21:29] <whabo> however i tried xrandr command to shutoff LVDS woked but when i made VGA-0 as auto i lost my menu and icons i couldnt see anything but only the opened window
[21:30] <whabo> brandon do you want me to paste bin any logs?
[21:32] <brandonban6> i sent you a message whabo
[21:33] <whabo> i saw it i sent u 1 back thx
[21:56] <m4rk> charlie-tca: are you still here?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:57] <m4rk> cool. I am getting connection timeoutes from some of the sources in that sources.list you gave me... us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <m4rk> is that just me? some of them seem to work
[21:58] <charlie-tca> They may just be real busy. You can try removing the us. from them. Then it goes straight to the main server.
[21:59] <m4rk> ok dokey
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Updates all over the USA go through us.archive for all versions
[21:59] <m4rk> what about the security. ones?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know any other server for them. It's just a very busy server right now.
[22:00] <m4rk> okey dokey
[22:00] <m4rk> I am in the UK, but I was getting timeouts from UK server also
[22:00] <m4rk> sounds like we need more mirrors :)
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Yeah, as the user base grows, so must the servers
[22:08] <rocko> BIG
[22:12] <m4rk> I got http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty-backports/main/debian-installer Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[22:13] <m4rk> is this significant?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> You should not have any feisty sources
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Is that in 8.10?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> 7.10?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Feisty has no more sources, so that should give a 404 error
[22:15] <m4rk> I dunno, I got it when running apt-get update using the sorces.list u gave me :(
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Nope. There are no Feisty sources in that list
[22:17] <m4rk> yeah I see that, I dunno what is going on
[22:18] <zoredache> do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:18] <m4rk> however I can now boot to the xfce again, so this is progress
[22:18] <charlie-tca> no, not for 7.10
[22:18] <m4rk> no, I don't have sources.list.d
[22:20]  * charlie-tca keep my mouth shut. He wasn't talking to me.
[22:21] <m4rk> I ran apt-get dist_upgrade which seemed to finish but did not update a bunch of stuff. now I can get into xfce again (it kept dying before) and wicd seems to be working again. The Update Manager is offering me a partial upgrade now
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Did you run an apt-get update first?
[22:21] <m4rk> charlie-tca: yep
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Maybe it could only apply part of the updates, then it needs a restart, then update again
[22:22] <m4rk> ok
[22:25] <m4rk> oh crap, I actually do have a bunch of stuff in sources.list.d
[22:25] <m4rk> medibuntu.list, medibuntu.list.save and prerequisits-sources.list
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Then you need to make sure they get changed from feisty to gutsy
[22:40] <m4rk> do I just change "feisty" to "gutsy" in those files or do I need to get the latest files?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Yes, you should be able to do that.
[22:41] <zoredache> you can try changing them from fiesty to gutsy.  If it doesn't work, then you'll need to disable/update them
[22:42]  * charlie-tca nods. What zoredache said.
[22:55] <m4rk> well thanks guys. it is "running partial upgrade" with about 1 hours 5 minutes remaining
[22:55] <m4rk> I am gonna go and hit the sack now. I'll check it out in the morning. thanks for your help! :)
[23:08] <brandonban6> man.....i could sure use some sleep right now........tis only 4:00 in the afternoon though
[23:24] <pteague> seems the 64bit doesn't have support for atom 330 yet :(
[23:24] <charlie-tca> What is atom 330?
[23:24] <pteague> from intel
[23:25] <pteague> here's the kernel panic trace i got - http://pastebin.com/m10cd6b0e
[23:30] <pteague> i've tried adding hpet, nohpet, noapic, acpi=off ... i keep getting same trace
[23:30] <charlie-tca> What does uname -m give you?
[23:33] <pteague> the problem is i can't get past the install screen... only thing that successfully works that i've tried is "test memory"... "boot from first hard disk" should probably work as well... but i can't even check cd for defects
[23:33] <pteague> & yes, the atom 330 is a 64bit...  so is the atom 230
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Only thing I could suggest then is install the 32bit version
[23:34] <charlie-tca> It will work.
[23:57] <rocko> why is xubuntu so buggy ?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> You will have to expand greatly on that one.