[01:40] <poolie> hi
[01:40] <poolie> i have some strange behaviour in malone
[01:40] <poolie> bug 332960 is a duplicate of bug 333110
[01:40] <poolie> but this is not shown on the page of bug 333110
[01:41] <wgrant> poolie: Can you see 332960?
[01:41] <poolie> yes
[01:41] <poolie> hm
[01:41] <poolie> and the web site says it's public
[01:43] <wgrant> Ermmm.
[01:44] <wgrant> Bug 332960
[01:45] <wgrant> I can wget +text fine...
[01:49] <MTecknology> bug 333988 got fixed but hasn't been pushed yet
[01:49] <MTecknology> wrong chan, sorry
[01:49] <mwhudson> MTecknology: right
[01:49] <mwhudson> ah
[01:49] <mwhudson> poolie: i don't see any evidence that bug 332960 is a duplicate of bug 333110
[01:49] <MTecknology> I meant to put that in that ^ channel
[01:50] <mwhudson> 332960 is a dup of 331327 though
[01:50] <poolie> ah
[01:51] <poolie> wow, in place title editing!
[01:51] <MTecknology> mwhudson: It gets confusing - http://www.petaimg.com/uploads/1235610957.png
[01:52] <poolie> MTecknology: "invalid"
[01:53] <poolie> ok i see
[01:53] <poolie> so the problem here is that 332960 is public, but it's a dupe of a private bug
[01:54] <poolie> that being bug 331327
[02:01] <poolie> mwhudson: anyhow i filed bug 334130
[02:01] <mwhudson> ok
[02:40] <MTecknology> spm: how annoying am I getting?
[02:41] <spm> MTecknology: you need to work much harder at being annoying ;-)
[02:41] <MTecknology> really!?
[02:41] <spm> MTecknology: I think I've just finished all the stuff you wanted in 62115 btw
[02:43] <MTecknology> thanks for taking care of all that junk for me :)
[02:44] <spm> MTecknology: I've had to support windows users in the past. trust me, you aren't a patch on them for sheer irritation/annoyance/wish-that-murder-wasn't-illegal factor. :-)
[02:44] <spm> np!
[02:44] <MTecknology> lol!
[02:45] <MTecknology> ({)spm
[02:47] <spm> MTecknology: "({)" ? am not familiar with that one, and feeling too full from lunch/pizza to chase down :-)
[02:48] <MTecknology> spm: emiticon(MSN) - hug
[02:49] <wgrant> I thought that was rather ironic, actually.
[02:49] <spm> ahhh. thank you! :-)
[02:49] <MTecknology> wgrant: I know, it felt funny
[03:39] <MFen> cprov: i haven't tried the copy API, and i'm not having problems with the UI. but the wording of the API is kindof weird and not what i was expecting
[03:39] <MFen> in particular it reads as if it will always copy the source, but the ui will not let me copy the source in a such a way
[03:40] <cprov> MFen: copySource() ?
[03:40] <MFen> yeah
[03:41] <cprov> MFen: err, sorry, it's called syncSource()
[03:41] <MFen> right
[03:43] <cprov> MFen: API will fail on source-only (rebuild) copies in the same way API does.
[03:44] <cprov> in the same way WEB UI does, actually
[03:49] <MFen> cprov: ok, so source AND binary copies are ok?
[03:49] <MFen> i usually do binary copies without source
[03:50] <cprov> MFen: source-only (rebuilds) are also OK between different archives.
[03:50] <cprov> MFen: bin-only copies are not possible
[03:50] <cprov> MFen: you have to carry the source reference across suites and archives.
[03:51] <MFen> in the ui i just check the binary package to copy and say copy
[03:52] <savvas> what does the bomb icon mean? http://ppa.launchpad.net/medigeek/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/b/
[03:53] <lifeless> savvas: its apaches default icon for a 'core file', which its mistakenly identifying that file as
[03:54] <savvas> lifeless: I think I removed that source file, I thought it meant a crash or something - thanks for the tip :)
[03:55] <MFen> it means apache has identified you as a terrorist
[03:57] <savvas> that's right - fear me! heh :)
[04:19] <iShock> Hi, I know I had a launchpad account, because I ordered Ubuntu CDs with it, however, I'm no longer sure which e-mail I used, and are they case-sensitive?
[04:29] <spm> iShock: emails are not case-sensitive - I think is the question you're asking. ???
[04:29] <iShock> Partially, but I remembered the e-mail
[05:11] <ovnicraft> hi, anyone knows why launchpad support Other/Proprietary in type license?
[05:12] <poolie> ovnicraft: launchpad offers commercial hosting for proprietary projects
[05:13] <poolie> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[05:14] <ovnicraft> poolie, yes i am reading now.. thx
[07:12] <MTecknology> Did anyone ever think about a feature to keep track of a users max karma?
[07:13] <MTecknology> so if they work hard for a year, then walk away for a year, it's not magically gone
[07:13] <MTecknology> or should that be a feature request?
[07:15] <MTecknology> hi barry maybe you know - I asked this right before you came in
[07:15] <MTecknology> Did anyone ever think about a feature to keep track of a users max karma?
[07:16] <MTecknology> JanC: what's with the constant join/part?
[07:19] <BjornT> MTecknology: you mean somehow show that a user had a lot of karma before, even though he hasn't much now?
[07:19] <MTecknology> BjornT: ya
[07:22] <BjornT> MTecknology: that's a nice idea, but i suspect it's quite hard to actually do due to karma normalization. for example, i once had millions of karma points; something that is probably impossible to get today.
[07:23] <MTecknology> oh
[07:24] <MTecknology> BjornT: it just sucks that a year after being inactive, you get 0
[07:27] <MTecknology> BjornT: I had an awesome idea..... but it would probably take a while to impliment, that max would be easy
[07:27] <MTecknology> a graph - the way stocks are done
[07:28] <BjornT> MTecknology: yeah, that's true. i guess bug 287625 is more or less what you want.
[07:33] <MTecknology> heh - brainstorm.u.c uses drupal too? wow
[07:40] <MTecknology> BjornT: I added a solution to that - that was exactly what I meant :)
[11:26] <KIAaze> hi
[11:26] <KIAaze> what do I have to do to be able to push to my bzr branch from another PC?
[11:27] <KIAaze> I used bzr launchpad-login , but I get an error when trying to push
[11:27] <KIAaze> process_config_line: Unimplemented opcode 2
[11:27] <KIAaze> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[11:33] <juanje> KIAaze: do you have uploaded the public ssh key for this other pc?
[12:04] <savvas> KIAaze: post at www.pastebin.com the output of this command: ssh -v yourusername@bazaar.launchpad.net (where yourusername is your launchpad username)
[12:06] <savvas> KIAaze: or don't, for privacy reasons :)
[12:17] <KIAaze> no, I haven't uploaded the public ssh key yet
[12:17] <KIAaze> it's been a long time since I set up my launchpad account
[12:17] <KIAaze> forgot how to do it. But I'll google
[12:19] <beuno> KIAaze, https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys
[12:19] <KIAaze> thx
[12:22] <KIAaze> if I already have a id_rsa.pub for another server, can I use it for launchpad too?
[12:22] <KIAaze> or is this unsafe?
[12:24] <beuno> KIAaze, it's perfectly safe to use your ssh key in as many places as you like
[12:25] <KIAaze> ok, thx
[12:25] <wgrant> beuno: You mean the public key, I hope.
[12:25] <beuno> wgrant, of course I do  :)
[12:25] <wgrant> It wasn't entirely obvious, and it's a really bad thing to be ambiguous about.
[12:26] <beuno> sure, paranoia es healthy to some extent
[12:39] <KIAaze> is there also a way to change the names of public keys for security reasons?
[12:39] <KIAaze> instead of user@host
[12:40] <kiko> KIAaze, you can just edit the key file
[12:40] <LarstiQ> that's determined by how your key is generated, but I'm willing to bet it is purely descriptive
[12:41] <LarstiQ> what kiko said
[12:46] <KIAaze> mmh, still not working
[12:46] <KIAaze> process_config_line: Unimplemented opcode 2
[12:46] <KIAaze> bzr: broken pipe
[12:50] <KIAaze> redid bzr launchpad-login and now I get the same error message again:
[12:50] <KIAaze> process_config_line: Unimplemented opcode 2
[12:50] <KIAaze> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[12:50] <KIAaze> where is  -Dhpss supposed to be used?
[12:52] <KIAaze> could it have something to do with the real name linked to the user@host in "bzr whoami"?
[12:57] <KIAaze> process_config_line: Unimplemented opcode 2
[12:57] <KIAaze> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[12:57] <KIAaze> HPSS calls: 1 <bzrlib.smart.medium.SmartSSHClientMedium object at 0xeea050>
[12:57] <beuno> KIAaze, so are you doing:  bzr launchpad-login YOURLAUNCHPADUSERNAME?
[12:58] <KIAaze> yes
[12:58] <beuno> ok, can you try doing:  ssh username@bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:59] <KIAaze> ssh worked
[13:00] <beuno> hrm
[13:01] <beuno> try adding to ~/.ssh/config
[13:01] <beuno> Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[13:01] <beuno>      User yourusername
[13:01] <beuno> those two lines
[13:04] <juanje> KIAaze:  Also, could be a good idea to put in your "~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf":
[13:04] <juanje> [DEFAULT]
[13:04] <juanje> launchpad_username = juanje
[13:04] <juanje> well
[13:04] <juanje> your username
[13:05] <juanje> launchpada username
[13:05] <juanje> :-P
[13:06] <KIAaze> still not working :(
[13:06] <KIAaze> bazaar.conf already contained my username
[13:06] <juanje> :-/
[13:06] <KIAaze> I can't even use bzr branch
[13:06] <KIAaze> same error message
[13:07] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: coud you pastebin the output of where you get the Unimplemeneted opcode, but with -Derror -Dhpss added to t ecommandline?
[13:07] <juanje> hummm
[13:07] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: ie, bzr -Derror -Dhpss branch foo
[13:08] <juanje> KIAaze: a simple "bzr branch lp:something" doesn't work?
[13:08] <KIAaze> no
[13:08] <KIAaze> it worked before I used launchpad-login
[13:09] <KIAaze> http://pastebin.com/m2a0fdbf8
[13:09] <LarstiQ> right, that makes sense
[13:09] <juanje> KIAaze: and if you try with: bzr branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/PATHTOTHEBRANCH  ?
[13:10] <juanje> KIAaze: so before the login was working and now not.... interesting...
[13:10] <KIAaze> well, yes, anonymous checkout worked basically
[13:10] <LarstiQ> juanje: before login it uses http, not ssh
[13:11] <juanje> LarstiQ: that's true
[13:12] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: the proces_config_line seems to come from OpenSSH
[13:12] <juanje> but I got somtimes problem with lp:foo and then http:// or bzr+ssh:// did work
[13:12] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: do you have a non-standard openssh config?
[13:12] <KIAaze> possible
[13:12] <KIAaze> I'm not sure
[13:13] <KIAaze> I'm on openSUSE 10.3
[13:14] <KIAaze> [3][~]$  ssh -v
[13:14] <KIAaze> OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007
[13:14] <juanje> KIAaze: this is kind a random thought but... are you on your ~/.ssh directory? (seems so at the pastebin) could be the problem the pemissions there? (probably not, but...)
[13:14] <KIAaze> that's when I posted on the pastebin
[13:15] <KIAaze> I tried in a normal directory before, but thought that maybe using the same terminal would change something
[13:16] <geser> is the data displayed on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+builds accessible from the LP API? I see in the API doc that there are "build" object with the data I'm interested in, but I'm still looking how to get there
[13:17] <beuno> bigjools, cprov, ^
[13:18] <kiko> geser, yeah, it should be since last week
[13:19] <cprov> geser: it's not exposed in the API in the same way it's in the way the UI yet, i.e you can't get builds for Ubuntu or Jaunty.
[13:19] <KIAaze> it worked
[13:19] <KIAaze> yes, there was something wrong with the ssh binary
[13:20] <JanC_> MTecknology: flaky ADSL connection  :-(
[13:20] <cprov> geser: you have to get the ubuntu primary archive, select a source publication and then call getBuilds() on it.
[13:22] <geser> cprov: thanks, I'll try it out. I'm trying to get http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ use the LP API instead of screen scraping
[13:24] <cprov> geser: I see, It won't be sane before we export something like 'jaunty.getBuildRecords(status=FAILED)'
[13:24] <geser> cprov: do I understand the docs correctly that I can with archive.getPublishedSources(disto_series = "jaunty" (or the object for it), status = "published") get a list of published sources for jaunty?
[13:25] <cprov> geser: yup, that's correct and huge ;)
[13:25] <geser> and then iterate over this list to get the build records
[13:25] <geser> hmm, I guess the screen scraping is probably faster than going through the LP API
[13:26] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: how did you fix it?
[13:27] <cprov> geser: right, that's my impression, too :( But we could export the bits you need very quickly (this week) in edge for you.
[13:27] <KIAaze> I installed ssh from source without X forwarding
[13:27] <juanje> kiko: hi. do you have a minute to talk about our (for Guadalinex) distro request?
[13:27] <KIAaze> so I just replaced the binary with the old one I had backed up
[13:27] <geser> cprov: thanks. Should I open a bug for it?
[13:27] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: ah ok
[13:28] <KIAaze> but why would bzr require X forwarding?
[13:28] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: it doesn't afaik
[13:28] <cprov> geser: yes, please, open a bug and we will find someone to get it done very soon for you.
[13:28] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: but it would explain the unimplemented opcode
[13:29] <KIAaze> opcode=options code?
[13:29]  * LarstiQ wonders how to figure out what causes that.
[13:29] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: no, more like an instruction
[13:29] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: an opcode for a cpu would be "add two numbers together"
[13:30] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: could you confirm you get the same error if you try to ssh manually and request X forwarding?
[13:32] <geser> cprov: what's the right project to file bug for?
[13:32] <cprov> geser: soyuz
[13:32] <KIAaze> works: http://pastebin.com/d3a10ee4f
[13:33] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: hmmm.
[13:34] <KIAaze> it was with the standard ssh of course
[13:34] <KIAaze> the one I compiled doesn't work with -X
[13:34] <LarstiQ> since your modified binary doesn't include -X?
[13:34] <LarstiQ> right
[14:44] <KIAaze> ok, managed to get an ssh without X11 and working bzr ;)
[14:45] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: how does it differ from before?
[14:45] <KIAaze> it has the missing opcode
[14:46] <KIAaze> there was no disable-X11 option in configure, so I hacked the code myself
[14:46] <KIAaze> now I did it the right way
[14:47] <LarstiQ> hah :)
[14:47] <LarstiQ> KIAaze: still, it would be nice to find out what tries to use X forwarding in bzr so we can get rid of that dependency
[14:48] <KIAaze> it might be because it reads an ssh config file
[14:48] <KIAaze> the opcode stuff is in readconf.c from the openssh source package
[14:49] <LarstiQ> eek, you can get that just by reading the config file?
[14:49] <KIAaze> there's a switch(opcode) statement
[14:50] <KIAaze> I think I just commented out the cases for forwardX11 last time (didn't have the modified source anymore)
[14:50] <KIAaze> this might have caused the opcode error if the ssh conf file contained a forwardX11= statement
[14:51] <LarstiQ> ok
[16:08] <MTecknology> JanC: that sucks
[16:14] <savvas> in case a launchpad bug is "won't fix", and other people came afterwards and really wish for it to be reconsidered and fixed, can I set it back to new? bug 273688
[16:15] <sm> morning all.. is there a feed for blueprints ?
[16:16] <mpt> savvas, the meaning of "Won't Fix" depends on the project, so it would be better to ask the project's maintainer or QA team
[16:17] <savvas> mpt: you mean to ask on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad ?
[16:21] <mpt> savvas, oh, I thought you were referring to a bug in loggerhead, I didn't realize it was a bug in Launchpad itself.
[16:22] <beuno> savvas, as I said in the bug, the breaks the layout
[16:22] <beuno> so fixing it in the way proposed, isn't an option
[16:23] <savvas> beuno: ok, thanks - I was about to highlight your nick :)
[16:23] <beuno> savvas, I'll try to explain better why it breaks
[16:23] <beuno> in the bug
[16:24] <savvas> I'd be grateful :)
[17:14] <mpt> BjornT, there's an unhappy indirect subscriber in bug 48860, maybe you could spare time to help him
[17:16] <javaJake> Launchpad is timing out on me: "(Error ID: OOPS-1152H2074)"
[17:24]  * javaJake realizes that the entire site is timing out, so he sits tight and waits for the storm to pass.
[17:25] <javaJake> Nvm, just that bug :P
[17:42] <BjornT> mpt: i'll see if i can help him
[18:18] <apw> has anyone been complaining about update performance
[18:18] <apw> for some bugs i've been seeing it take up to 40s to load a bug
[18:19] <apw> somewhere in the range of 10s right now, that seems pretty slow
[18:56] <BjornT> apw: is it better now? which bugs are you looking now. the one i tested took around 2 seconds to load.
[18:57] <apw> BjornT, yeah its looking much better now, 2s ish
[19:06] <tgm4883> on bug reports, what populates the "also notified" list?
[19:18] <tgm4883> I don't know if there is a policy on what to do here, but a user posted his launchpad login info in a bug comment
[19:18] <kiko> tgm4883, it's already on the mailing lists.
[19:19] <tgm4883> kiko, I don't follow, the login info or the policy?
[19:19] <kiko> the bug comment :)
[19:19] <tgm4883> ah
[19:19] <javaJake> Is anyone else able to load this page? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/173890
[19:20] <javaJake> Oh, good, it's loading
[19:20] <javaJake> It's just taking unbelievably long to do it
[19:20] <intellectronica> javaJake: works fine for me. what's the problem?
[19:20] <tgm4883> kiko, so it's being discused then?
[19:20] <kiko> tgm4883, no, it's just too late to do anything useful about it
[19:21] <javaJake> intellectronica: slow loading times. Launchpad complained of timeouts earlier today
[19:21] <javaJake> intellectronica: I may still get an error, give me another few seconds...
[19:21] <javaJake> Yep, Timeout: "(Error ID: OOPS-1152F2268)"
[19:21] <intellectronica> javaJake: yeah, it's one of those ultra-popular bugs, and they do take a bit longer to render. should improve considerably after thursday's release - we've done some work on optimizing that this cycle
[19:22] <javaJake> This is after trying to submit changes to that bug
[19:22] <intellectronica> javaJake: are you using edge or the normal server? i'll only be able to see the oops in a few minutes
[19:22] <javaJake> intellectronica: normal server
[19:22] <javaJake> intellectronica: it appears after ~20 seconds
[19:23] <javaJake> I can wait :)
[19:24] <intellectronica> javaJake: right, so i can imagine that it times out a lot for you. everything will be much better after the release (or you can join our beta team and start using new versions before everyone else :)
[19:24] <javaJake> I'll join the beta team! :P
[19:24] <javaJake> I don't mind testing and bug reporting (that's why I'm here)
[19:25] <javaJake> Is it a "commitment" or is it a simple checkbox?
[19:25] <intellectronica> javaJake: excellent! if you join the team now i can make sure you're accepted immediately so it would be ineresting to see if it improves for you
[19:25] <intellectronica> javaJake: i don't understand the question
[19:26] <javaJake> Well, I don't want to be someone who joins in and then doesn't give anything back.
[19:26] <javaJake> I forsee some lengths of time in which I won't be using Launchpad actively.
[19:26] <intellectronica> javaJake: no requirements from you, other than to report problems when you can
[19:26] <javaJake> So as long as you don't mind members who are periodically idle...
[19:26] <javaJake> OK, sounds good to me then :)
[19:27] <javaJake> How do I join up?
[19:27] <javaJake> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers ?
[19:27] <kiko> yep
[19:28] <javaJake> OK
[19:30] <intellectronica> javaJake: ping me when you've requested to join
[19:31] <javaJake> intellectronica: blast, join page timed out
[19:31] <javaJake> jk, joined. ;)
[19:31] <intellectronica> javaJake: approved
[19:31] <intellectronica> try that bug page now, let's see if it works better for you
[19:32] <javaJake> OK
[19:34] <javaJake> Hmmmm...
[19:34] <javaJake> Interesting. edge.launchpad.net will not allow me to edit the status, while stable allows me. This must be an upcoming change in permissions.
[19:35] <intellectronica> really?! i can't think of any relevant change. are you logged in?
[19:35] <javaJake> Heh, no. I just realized that and switched to my IRC client to tell you. :>
[19:35] <intellectronica> :)
[19:38] <javaJake> intellectronica: it works. All's well!
[19:38] <intellectronica> javaJake: great!
[19:40] <Adri2000> when a branch is linked to a bug, where do I change the status of it, like "fix available"?
[19:41] <javaJake> One last thing I'd like to ask (as I read the beta-tester page one last time before closing) is: does my "real name" in my profile have to be a real name? Can it be my alias (Jacob Godserv) instead?
[19:42] <javaJake> Profile page: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~fun2program8
[19:46] <intellectronica> javaJake: we'd rather you used your real name, because we feel it contributes to the cultivation of a better community, but iirc that is no longer a requirement
[19:48] <javaJake> OK, thanks.
[19:49] <Adri2000> https://code.launchpad.net/~adri2000/merge-o-matic/dev/+merge/572 there if you look at the linked bug reports, it says "fix available" but I'm unable to change it
[19:49] <Adri2000> and it seems it isn't shown (anymore) on the branch page itself and on the bug page
[19:51] <intellectronica> rockstar: maybe you know what's going on here? ^^^
[19:52] <rockstar> Adri2000, I see that linkage on bug page.
[19:52] <rockstar> ...and on the branch page.
[19:52] <Adri2000> I do as well
[19:52] <Adri2000> but I don't see "fix available"
[19:53] <rockstar> Adri2000, ah, I see.  Yes, we removed the ability to change that.  I think it should also be removed from the merge proposal page.
[19:56] <Adri2000> ok
[19:59] <rockstar> Adri2000, don't you think Fix Available is rather redundant?  "Here's a branch with the fix.  Also, there is a fix available."  :)
[20:02] <Adri2000> wasn't there also "best fix available" and others I don't remember?
[20:02] <rockstar> Adri2000, yeah, but if you don't think you have the best fix, then why are you working on it.  :)
[20:03] <rockstar> Adri2000, we just need less things with their own status.  Bugs have a status, branches have a status, bug-branch linkages don't need a status.
[20:04] <rockstar> It can be deduced by looking at the bug and branch statuses (stati?)
[20:05] <Adri2000> yeah, actually I don't care that much, just wondered why it disappeared from some pages and I wasn't able to change it :)
[21:06] <calc> can i make sub repos in code.l.n?
[21:07] <calc> eg lp:~openoffice-pkgs/openoffice/subrepo/branch ?
[21:07] <calc> since bzr won't let me do a partial branch checkout my repo will otherwise get very messy
[21:08] <mwhudson> calc: nope
[21:08] <MTecknology> what is a super project?
[21:08] <mwhudson> MTecknology: same thing as a project group, like launchpad.net/mysql
[21:10] <calc> hmm you can put a / in the project name which halfway achieves what i want but it doesn't have a way hide detail of the projects
[21:17] <MTecknology> mwhudson: what changes with it?
[21:17] <mwhudson> MTecknology: i don't understand sorry
[21:18] <MTecknology> mwhudson: Metcalfe suggested I see if I can have ubuntu-drupal turned into a super project.
[21:18] <mwhudson> a super project/project group is a container for other projects
[21:19] <MTecknology> mwhudson: Is there anything I'd need to change to have ubuntu-drupal changed to a super project?
[21:19] <mwhudson> well, i don't think you can convert a project into a project group
[21:19] <mwhudson> you'd have to get a project group created, add your project to it
[21:19] <mwhudson> and then probably rename things around to suit
[21:20] <MTecknology> mwhudson: so rename ubuntu-drupal to ubuntu-drupal-releases, then have an ubuntu-drupal superproject created?
[21:20] <mwhudson> something like that
[21:21] <MTecknology> mwhudson: then the owner for the projects would become the super project?
[21:22] <mwhudson> MTecknology: not owner, in the edit details of the project there's a field where you can set the containing project group
[21:23] <MTecknology> oh
[21:25] <MTecknology> mwhudson: would it make more sense to have ubutnu-drupal the super project or create it as ubuntu-drupal-project?
[21:25] <MTecknology> I'm guessing the first?
[21:25] <mwhudson> i can'
[21:25] <mwhudson> t answer that  for you
[21:25] <MTecknology> thanks
[21:26] <MTecknology> :)
[22:47] <wgrant> mwhudson: LP's Loggerhead confuses me.
[22:47] <wgrant> It is reporting unknown revisions (in a strange way), but checking out the branch over HTTP and running Loggerhead on it locally works perfectly.
[22:48] <lifeless> wgrant: what branch
[22:49] <wgrant> lifeless: lp:~wgrant/ivle/trunk-mirror
[22:49] <wgrant> The merged revision in r1119 is the problem one.
[22:49] <wgrant> It *was* a ghost, but it is clearly no longer, even on HTTP.
[22:50] <lifeless> interesting
[22:50] <lifeless> mwhudson: cache?
[22:50] <maxb> what is a ghost, ooi, google "bzr ghost" is remarkably uninformative :-/
[22:50] <mwhudson> could, but shouldn't be
[22:51] <mwhudson> i guess if you fill a ghost without changing the tip loggerhead might not notice
[22:51] <wgrant> Ah, loggerhead does internal caching?
[22:51] <mwhudson> (until it's next restarted anyway)
[22:51] <wgrant> ... which is in an hour, I suppose.
[22:52] <mwhudson> yeah, it caches the merge sorted revision graph
[22:52] <wgrant> Plus it'll have a changed tip in about a minute or two, I suppose.
[22:52] <wgrant> I'll see if that fixes it.
[22:53] <mwhudson> let us know :)
[22:53] <mwhudson> wgrant: when did you fill the ghost?
[22:53] <mwhudson> maxb: a ghost is a revision not present in the repository
[22:54] <wgrant> mwhudson: I'm not entirely sure, but at least an hour ago.
[22:54] <wgrant> I'm not sure which upgrade would have caused the full remirror.
[22:54] <mwhudson> hm
[22:55] <maxb> .... but still somehow referenced within the repository?
[22:55] <mwhudson> loggerhead hasn't been restarted in a while i think
[22:55] <mwhudson> maxb: yes
[22:55] <wgrant> The reason this branch had them is that it's a bzr-svn import.
[22:55] <mwhudson> maxb: they frequently showed up in conversions from arch, where people would convert the mainline but not every merged branch
[22:55] <wgrant> Anything merged from a bzr branch into svn trunk becomes a ghost when you check out with bzr-svn again.
[22:55] <mwhudson> oh, indeed, bzr-sv
[22:56] <wgrant> I wonder if I can convince my update cronjob to fetch-ghosts from all recently merged branches automatically...
[22:57] <wgrant> Otherwise I have to do the fetch-ghosts, upgrade, upgrade dance.
[23:19] <wgrant> mwhudson: Changing the tip fixed it.
[23:19] <wgrant> Thanks mwhudson, lifeless.
[23:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: good, that means my mental model isn't completely broken :)(
[23:39] <mwhudson> wgrant: i guess you should file a bug, but i don't think it's tremendously important, feel free to argue otherwise
[23:40] <wgrant> mwhudson: Will do. I do have to get it to do a full remirror to fix ghosts, don't I?
[23:45] <soren> I uploaded a package 20 minutes ago, but still don't see it on the source package's overview page. Has upload processing already been turned off or am I experiencing a different problem?
[23:46] <mwhudson> wgrant: um, not sure
[23:46] <mwhudson> my experience with ghosts fits in here ><
[23:46] <mwhudson> i think bzr is fairly aggressive on filling them, but not sure
[23:47] <wgrant> I don't think LP filled them when pulling, but it may have (and just loggerhead was out of date).
[23:47] <spm> soren: most of the cron tasks are disabled in prep for the release in 10 mins - that could the issue you're experiencing?
[23:47] <soren> spm: I believe so, yes.
[23:47] <soren> spm: Thanks, I'll stop sitting around waiting for it to be picked up.
[23:47] <soren> :)
[23:47] <spm> soren: sorry! :-)
[23:48] <soren> spm: Oh, don't be. It gives me an excellent reason to stop hacking and go to bed.
[23:48] <soren> Good night.
[23:48] <spm> lol! night!
[23:49] <wgrant> Unfortunately, these days LP is often back quickly enough that it's not worth stopping hacking.
[23:50] <wgrant> (although it's still inconvenient having it vanish in the middle of the working day on a release day...)
[23:50] <soren> wgrant: I intend to run off before I have a chance to test that hypothesis.
[23:50] <wgrant> soren: Good idea.
[23:51] <soren> As in... Right *now*!
[23:51]  * soren goes *poof*
[23:54] <Andre_Gondim> after something being translated and reviewed, how the translation reaches the end user?
[23:54] <Andre_Gondim> the translation is packaged only once each release or there are periodic updates to the lang pack?
[23:56] <wgrant> Andre_Gondim: In Ubuntu, there are regular updates after release.
[23:56] <wgrant> For other projects, it is up to their maintainer.
[23:57] <Andre_Gondim> wgrant, but how long is happens?
[23:58] <Andre_Gondim>  I mean, how much is in how long?
[23:58] <Ursinha> wgrant: do you know if those updates are periodic? or it varies?
[23:59] <wgrant> Andre_Gondim, Ursinha: It seems to vary greatly.