[00:01] <cwillu> died on 85 again :(
[00:01] <bruce89> hh
[00:01] <bruce89> +e
[00:01] <bruce89> Epiphany died on level 1 for me
[00:03] <cwillu> bruce89, you ever play starraiders, like, 20 years ago?
[00:03] <cwillu> the repair stations in the lightyears clone are a great knockoff :)
[00:03] <bruce89> I'm not even that old
[00:03] <cwillu> hmm
[00:03] <cwillu> well,
[00:03] <cwillu> you're missing out :p
[00:04] <bruce89> can't do much about that
[00:16]  * bruce89 wondered where "Wood" was, but it was the surname of the captain of one of the teams
[00:16] <Volkodav> I can't add the sensor plugin to xfce panel anymore for some reason
[00:19] <unixdawg> ok I have a major break
[00:24] <unixdawg> ok just fixed my issue i think
[00:24] <unixdawg> brb
[00:27] <unixdawg> ok all fixed
[00:27] <unixdawg> man
[00:29] <unixdawg> that was a close call
[00:29] <cwillu> how so?
[00:31] <unixdawg> i had some pkgs that did not upgrade fully
[00:31] <unixdawg> but I was able to boot into recover mode and then fix them
[00:31] <unixdawg> all back to working order
[00:35] <Turl> hello
[00:35] <Turl> I need to check if my CPU supports SSE3, but in /proc/cpuinfo I can see ssse3 (with 3 s)
[00:35] <Turl> is that SSE3?
[00:36] <bruce89> no, that's kind of SSE4
[00:36] <rww> Turl: all SSSE3-capable processors also support SSE3, as far as I know.
[00:37] <Turl> ok rww, it said sse & sse2, but I was confused with the 3 s's in ssse3 :p
[00:38] <siegie> are kubuntu jaunty user who are also experiencing flickering of the icons in dolphin?
[00:38] <bruce89> incidentally, why do you need to know your CPU supports SSE3?
[00:40] <Turl> bruce89: I was talking with a mac fanboy, who asked me whether I could install macos on my laptop or not, and as far as I know, you need sse3 for that, so I checked on /proc/cpuinfo to answer him
[00:40] <Turl> but I won't install macos on this anyway, I just don't like that apple SO
[00:40] <bruce89> heh
[00:40] <TuTUXG> there are patches for sse2 compatible
[00:41] <Turl> I just upgraded my good ol' pentium3 from Intrepid to Jaunty, everything went smooth :)
[00:41] <TuTUXG> i dont think atom support sse3 neither
[00:42] <bruce89> I'm slumming it without SSE3
[00:42] <unixdawg> intel atom does not have sse2/3
[00:43]  * DanaG doesn't like Apple's attitude.
[00:43] <DanaG> =þ
[00:43] <Turl> now the pentium3 is a fast-booter, it boots even faster than my dad's P4 2.8Ghz HT with XP. Jaunty rulz :p
[00:43]  * Turl doesn't like apple bricks
[00:44] <TuTUXG> well, actually the new 45nm atom does support ssse3
[00:45] <TuTUXG> n2xx series
[00:46] <TuTUXG> P4s are sinkers
[00:47] <Turl> well, even a livecd on that same pc boots faster that the hadr
[00:47] <Turl> hard-disk installed xp*
[00:51] <bruce89> yikes, Qt looks interesting in GNOME
[00:51] <TuTUXG> i remember how my first laptop (p3 256mb) boots xp
[00:52] <Turl> qt on gnome looks like win95 windows :p
[00:52] <TuTUXG> i like using ktorrent under gnome
[00:52] <Turl> TuTUXG: how many Ghz? my pc matches your ram/cpu config :p
[00:52] <Turl> Transmission works best for me
[00:52] <TuTUXG> Turl, i think it was 800mhz
[00:53] <TuTUXG> or even slower
[00:53] <Turl> TuTUXG: mine is a bit faster, 1Ghz
[00:53] <TuTUXG> not comparable, mine was a laptop
[00:53] <Turl> I think that it can be a decent machine if I add a little more ram, my lappy is most of the time just using 800Mhz :p
[00:53] <bruce89> Turl: not now it doesn't, it uses GTK+ for the drawing, so the effect is rather odd
[00:54] <Turl> bruce89: cool, I'll install picard later and check it out :=
[00:54] <Turl> :)*
[00:54] <TuTUXG> TuTUXG, i miss that laptop, it was a lenovo before they bought ibm
[00:55] <bruce89> so it looks the same, but acts differently (buttons wrong way round etc.)
[00:56] <TuTUXG> bruce89, i really cannot tell the difference of a kde4 app under gnome rather than kde4
[00:57] <bruce89> I can't help but feel as if it's EEE
[00:57] <Turl> EEE?
[00:58] <TuTUXG> eeepc i guess he means
[00:58] <bruce89> I was going for something else, but never mind
[00:58] <TuTUXG> ...
[00:59] <Turl> what about the dell mini 9?
[00:59] <TuTUXG> i rather choose hp mini
[01:00] <TuTUXG> or the new eeepc with 10' led
[01:01]  * bruce89 sees a 10 inch screen with only one pixel on it
[01:01] <TuTUXG> how so
[01:01] <Turl> LOL
[01:02] <bruce89> LED being a Light Emitting Diode
[01:04] <TuTUXG> oh
[01:04] <TuTUXG> led backlighting lcd
[01:04] <Turl> btw, what was broken in udev? haven't noticed anything odd recently
[01:11] <hggdh> Turl, a loop on boot while mounting/recognising LVMs
[01:13] <ubuntu_> how can i mount ext4 as ext3?
[01:13] <Turl> hggdh: can you explain me what a LVM is? I was always offered to make one on the setup program, but always answered no
[01:14] <Turl> ubuntu_: iirc, if your ext4 uses extends, you simply can't
[01:15] <ubuntu_> ah i see
[01:15] <hggdh> LVM is Logical Volume Manager: you can set up your harddisk under LVM, allowing for extending the partitions, even across different physical disks
[01:16] <ubuntu_> but intrepid has support for ext4 right? is it ext4dev or something? the reason im doing this is last batch of updates broke my jaunty, grub says error 13: unknown or unsupported executable format when trying to boot into jaunty. Anyone else experiencing it?
[01:21] <bruce89> I got 24 myself
[01:22] <Turl> hggdh: is LVM compatible with other OSes? (windows vista/xp mainly)
[01:22] <cwillu> ubuntu_, grub doesn't have support for ext4 while using extents, you need to use grub2 or a seperate boot aprtition
[01:22] <cwillu> Turl, no
[01:23] <Turl> cwillu: and can I use part of my disk with LVM and another part without?
[01:25] <bruce89> cwillu: ah, is that why it didn't work
[01:26] <hggdh> Turl, no
[01:26] <Turl> hggdh: is LVM related with M$ "dynamic disk" ?
[01:27] <cwillu> bruce89, and it's cute too, because if you upgrade an existing partition, and turn on extents, your old kernels will still boot, because only new files will use extents :)
[01:27] <cwillu> Turl, similar idea, yes
[01:28] <cwillu> Turl, yes, you can make any particular block devices part of an lvm
[01:28] <bruce89> cwillu: so in other words, I need to use grub2
[01:28] <cwillu> Turl, hell, I've got a raid10 for testing that is across 4 partitions on a single drive :p
[01:28] <cwillu> bruce89, or a separate boot partition
[01:28] <cwillu> bruce89, grub2 is pretty painless though
[01:28] <bruce89> right, just as well it is
[01:28] <Turl> cwillu: heh :p
[01:29] <Turl> cwillu: try to use a USB flash drive :)
[01:29] <cwillu> Turl, well, it's on a usb external right now, but it's a rotary drive on that, not flash :p
[01:29] <bruce89> out of interest how do I get the "change theme" thing appear in KDE's system settings, I want to change kstars' theme
[01:30]  * cwillu is behind the times, is still using gnome :p
[01:30] <Turl> cwillu: do you have any idea how much does an internal2external disk "converter" costs?
[01:30] <cwillu> not very much
[01:30] <Turl> I mean, that boxes you put your hdd inside and plug it with usb
[01:30] <bruce89> so am I, I can just about tolerate kstars
[01:30] <cwillu> hell, with a sata drive, there isn't even any electronics necessary
[01:31] <cwillu> (in that alot of enclosures have an esata port, which is preferable to a usb port if you have one
[01:31] <Turl> cwillu: my PC doesn't have an eSATA port :p
[01:31] <cwillu> fix that first :p
[01:31] <Turl> well, it says esata, but it's covered and has no connector :/
[01:32] <Turl> it's a laptop, so I guess I cannot do anything (apart from hoping you can get an esata port using ExpressCards :p
[01:34] <ubuntu_> anyone else experiencing problems with today's update, ubuntu wont boot grub says error 13: unsupported/unknown executable format
[01:37] <siegie> just booted, and had no problem
[01:39] <Turl> ubuntu_: I didn't upgrade grub nor kernels so I don't see why this would happen?
[01:40] <bruce89> och well, bye kstars
[01:41] <hggdh> turl, the idea is similar, but I would bet the implementations are very different
[01:41] <ubuntu_> Turl: there was a kernel update, whats strange it didnt have a minor version so basically it update 2.6.26-8 with 2.6.28-8
[01:41] <ubuntu_> Turl: also im using ext4 here converted from ext3 with extents and all the feauters of ext4 enable
[01:41] <ubuntu_> err enabled
[01:42] <Turl> ubuntu_: I didn't get a kernel upgrade today, maybe your apt mirror is  broken or something?
[01:42] <ubuntu_> can reinstall grub from intrepid? does it know about ext4?
[01:42] <ubuntu_> hm
[01:42] <Turl> try reinstalling the kernel and see if it fixes grub
[01:42] <Turl> ubuntu_: intrepid kernel doesn't know about ext4 :(
[01:42] <ubuntu_> Turl: yesterday maybe? i havent updated for two days
[01:42] <Turl> try using a jaunty live cd
[01:46] <bruce89> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4#GRUB_Error_13
[01:47] <ubuntu_> is there any way to chroot into an installation and enable network?
[01:47] <Turl> ubuntu_: I believe so
[01:47] <Turl> chroot /your/mounted/install
[01:47] <Turl> and then do /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
[01:47] <Turl> you might need to mount your devices and whatelse too
[01:50] <bruce89> is there anything interesting that you need to do when installing grub2?
[01:51] <Turl> bruce89: install the grub-pc I think, and it'll copy over your config etc
[01:51] <bruce89> nothing else?
[01:51] <Turl> then you boot with grub2 and if it works, you run a command that deletes grub legacy
[01:51] <bruce89> right, that's fine
[01:52] <bruce89> I assume kernel upgrades are transparent
[01:52] <Turl> (when you install grub2, you'll have grub1 chainload grub2)
[01:52] <Turl> bruce89: yes, if you install the grub2 from the repos
[01:52] <bruce89> good, (hopefully) will be bacl
[01:52] <Turl> bruce89: bear in mind the way of modifying the grub config is totally different
[01:53] <Turl> so if you want to, for example, put XP first in the list, you'll have to investigate a little
[01:53] <bruce89> doesn't matter, I've only got Jaunty and Fedora, and I don't care about the order
[01:54] <Turl> do you have the "remote backup server (rsync)" thing on your "service configuration" window?
[01:55] <Turl> just disabled it, hope nothing bad happens
[01:55] <Turl> I think I'll install grub 2 too :D
[01:56] <Turl> grub 1 is slooooooow :p
[02:02] <Turl> well, I'm leaving
[02:02] <Turl> bye guys!
[02:12] <bruce89> error 11
[02:12] <bruce89> although I managed to boot into Fedora
[02:27] <bruce89> fixed
[02:41] <usser> wow that update really broke something, something screwed up, kernel grub i dunno.
[03:29] <helo> i'm still having trouble getting anything besides the 'pc speaker' to produce any sound on this 82801G in my hp mini... worked great in intrepid
[03:29] <helo> all audio players act as if they are playing, and the mixers are all settable with alsamixer
[03:29] <helo> i just don't get any sound
[03:30] <Stralytic> helo, did you install jaunty or upgrade from intrepid?
[03:30] <helo> i upgraded from intrepid
[03:30] <Stralytic> i installed jaunty, and wasnt added to the audio group
[03:30] <helo> hmmm
[03:33] <Stralytic> try killing pulseaudio and then:
[03:33] <Stralytic> aplay /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/dialog-question.wav
[03:35] <helo> no errors, but no sound :/
[03:36] <Stralytic> lsmod, see if you have snd_hda_intel there
[03:37] <Stralytic> i assume that is what the hp mini uses
[03:37] <helo> yeah, it is there (and was what worked in intrepid)
[03:38] <Stralytic> does that aplay thing work with a sudo in front of it?
[03:39] <helo> behaves exactly the same
[03:39] <Stralytic> bugger
[03:39] <helo> pulseaudio keeps restarting itself though...
[03:40] <Stralytic> i assume you've upgraded to the latest packages? i think there was a  bug in pulseaudio a few weeks ago
[03:41] <helo> yeah, just did a full upgrade a few hours ago (and rebooted)
[03:41] <helo> maybe i'll try it without X running
[03:41] <helo> no pulse for sure then... heh
[03:41] <Stralytic> yeah, good idea
[03:42] <helo> ok, i may be back in a bit... thanks for the suggestions
[03:53] <helo> hmm... no luck
[03:53] <helo> should there be a mute option on the PCM alsamixer meter?
[03:54] <helo> there is not one... maybe it is forced muted?
[03:54] <Stralytic> not sure, there is a mute option on mine
[03:54] <helo> hrm
[03:54] <Stralytic> if the aplay doesn't work with pulseaudio killed then i'd say it's a mixer issue
[04:06] <helo> if i plug something into my headphone jack, it plays through my laptop's speaker... hmm
[04:07] <helo> hrm... well it did for a minute... wth
[04:07] <helo> now it is just popping and clicking
[04:10] <helo> what determines whether an audio jack is output or input?
[04:55] <Guest10853> can anyone help me with a livecd customization issue?
[04:56] <Guest10853> I'm trying to remove packages to make the image smaller. I had a 720mb image so I used apt-get remove --purge gnome-games* ubiquity evolution* which freed up about 135mb, but now when I build the image it's 745 mb (actually 25mb BIGGER) ! Anyone have any idea why?
[05:36] <Adys> the keybind problem is back again... was fixed for like a couple of days :/
[05:36] <Adys> alt-f1 always opens the panel menu, even if i tell it to open a terminal
[05:42] <tech404> I am finding contradicting information with google.... could someone please tell me what kind of support jaunty will have for GPT?
[05:45] <WT-Udev> tech404: I don't use GPT with ubuntu my self, however I do have another system, and I can't remember how I did it, but GPT and grub (1) aren't completely incompatiable.  Though like I said, I don't remember the voodo I did to get that working.  I have no idea what Jaunty's position on it will be though, so I can't really give you a good answer.
[05:55] <tech404> WT-Udev: Thank you for your reply anyways. Maybe someone else will see my question in a bit.
[05:56] <WT-Udev> Oh there is one thing I can tell you
[05:56] <WT-Udev> Linux, at least recently, still hasn't supported > 15 partitions per disk
[05:57] <WT-Udev> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+question/60466
[06:12] <tech404> WT-Udev: I unpacked the jaunty kernel and the config file says its compiled to support it and the jaunty version of grub2 says it supports it. I guess thats enough to give it a try. Thanks again for getting back to me.
[06:26] <WT-Udev> tech404: yes, grub 2 is supposed to support it; if you can get grub2 working
[06:28] <tech404> I've got it working with intrepid... it really takes its time drawing windows but it boots without fail for me.
[06:28] <WT-Udev> Yeah, I remember 'drawing' using bios calls in my x86 assembly class.  -massively- slow
[06:29] <Lounge> WT-Udev: i was wondering if "network-manager' is gonna make a come back in jaunty?
[06:29] <WT-Udev> Lounge: dunno, but it's already the default for network configuration on my laptop.  It actually understands different wifi networks and types too
[06:30] <Lounge> when i type 'sudo network-manager' it returns 'command not found' im i doing it wrong?
[06:31] <WT-Udev> NetworkManager << case sensitive?
[06:31] <WT-Udev> also, shouldn't you call it via
[06:31] <andersk> Network Manager is started via its initscript: sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start
[06:31] <WT-Udev> /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start/stop/restart ?
[06:32] <WT-Udev> Lounge: what issue are you actually having though?
[06:32] <WT-Udev> tech404: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/Grub2ByDefault
[06:32] <WT-Udev> GRUB2 will not be included on any CD images for jaunty, due to space considerations; it will only be available for installation to users who can download it from the network.
[06:32] <WT-Udev> * grub2 is 1.3M+96K (.deb sizes). grub-common will be needed on the CDs anyway for jaunty to support XFS, but the grub-pc package probably won't fit.
[06:32] <Lounge> well i just don't see "network" in the system-->administration anymore.. it made things so much easier for me
[06:33] <WT-Udev> I use xubuntu, no clue where that is
[06:33] <Lounge> not sure if it got deprecated
[06:33] <WT-Udev> I do know you can configure it in xubuntu by right-clickign on the network icon in the tray
[06:36] <Lounge> doesn't allow me to unlock it
[06:37] <tech404> yeah I was planning on installing grub2 from chroot after the install.
[06:37] <Lounge> and so i'll need to know the terminal command to launch it with with root
[06:39] <WT-Udev> Well, technically you can grab grub2 during install and it should present it as an option according to what I read, at least that's the idea.   However even if not, chaning boot-loaders can be done in normal mode.
[06:39] <WT-Udev> The change will only matter on next boot
[06:40] <tech404> Lounge: I don't remember the name but what you are trying to launch is not NetworkManager. It's some kind of front end.
[06:41] <tech404> Sorry that's not more help.
[06:41]  * WT-Udev searches for the package owning that init file, then for it's files
[06:43] <WT-Udev> nm-applet
[06:43] <WT-Udev> /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor
[06:43] <Lounge> yeah the network managing get real complicated in intepred :(
[06:44] <WT-Udev> I know, I liked a little simple text file
[06:44] <WT-Udev> I can't even find a way of bashing changes in to it from shell mode
[06:44] <Lounge> WT-Udev: thanks for finding it for me ^^
[06:46] <Lounge> i guess the upside for the new networking is that it works better with wireless
[06:47] <tech404> I'm off to tinker.... thanks for your help WT-Udev
[06:47] <tech404> quit
[06:49] <WT-Udev> Lounge: there is a small downside
[06:49] <WT-Udev> it only really does one connection at a time
[06:52] <Lounge> WT-Udev: i have a 2nd nic card (eth1) hooked up to an older tower via crossover cable, but i'll need to give eth1 a static
[06:52] <WT-Udev> Lounge: dunno if it will work
[06:52] <WT-Udev> you might have to check out server style configurations
[06:53] <Lounge> seems that without the other tower powered up, i can't really edit eth1 with nm
[06:54] <Lounge> actaully i stand corrected, i can't edit it at all
[06:54] <Lounge> gonna have to edit /etc/network/interfaces manually
[07:08] <Lounge> ok added eth1 as static and address as 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.245, saved and restarted the network
[08:47] <askand> Where do I find the bugreport about poor intel performance in Jaunty?
[08:50] <maco> launchpad
[08:50] <askand> askand: yep found it
[08:50] <maco> you're talking to yourself?
[08:57] <iandan> hi folks, i need some help: I'm planning to buy a new laptop with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 video chipset. do you know wherther I can find drivers for it?
[09:00] <maco> you can always try a live cd, but if the card's been in existence for > 4-6 months, you should be fine
[09:02] <iandan> maco, I don't have it yet :), I'm planning to buy it
[09:03] <maco> oh not  in a store then, you mean?
[09:03] <maco> well ati cards are supported in general
[09:03] <iandan> No. I want to buy it from an online shop
[09:03] <maco> ati has drivers on their site, and ubuntu ships whatever ati has made available around release
[09:04] <maco> the hardware driver manager thingy can download and install the ati drivers for you
[09:04] <iandan> so... should I risk and buy it?
[09:05] <maco> iandan: you could check ati's site and see if that card is listed currently
[09:05] <maco> if they have drivers for it for linux right now, then jaunty will very very likely support it
[09:05] <maco> at worst, you use vesa and miss out on 3d acceleration til karmic
[09:06] <maco> or until ati makes drivers available and you manually install them
[09:07] <iandan> I checked ATI support site and they support ATI Radeon 3000 series, but it says nothing for ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 (or mobility 3000 series)
[09:08] <maco> could possibly call during business hours and ask them what drivers to use for that card on linux
[09:08] <maco> i doint know if they differentiate the mobility ones for drivers
[09:09] <iandan> I think they do because they have listed Radeon and Mobility Radeon
[09:09] <iandan> I'll try to call them, or something
[09:11] <iandan> thank you!
[09:21] <scizzo-> anyone else using dual monitors in jaunty with notify-osd enabled?
[09:22] <scizzo-> I want to see if anyone can reproduce the bug: #334226
[09:22] <scizzo-> !bug 334226
[09:30] <baoji> Hello. Has anyone had trouble with garbled fonts for KDE4 in Jaunty? GTK and KDE3 apps still display properly. Updating the font-cache doesn't seem to have helped.
[09:58] <mnemo> for the last few days I've been unable to open JPG, PNG files from nautilus... all I get is the "opening file blah..." thing in the taskbar but the file never finishes loading and eye of gnome never comes up.... does anyone else have this problem? is it a known bug; if so what the LP bug num??
[10:03] <maco> mnemo: can you open them in eog from the cli?
[10:04] <mnemo> nope, then it says "error while loading shared library libgnome-desktop-2.so.7"
[10:04] <mnemo> no such file or dir
[10:05] <maco> well there you go
[10:05] <maco> eog cant run because of that error
[10:05] <maco> id suggest searching for that library name
[10:05] <mnemo> indeed, yeah I just did
[10:05] <mnemo> nothing in LP it seems
[10:05] <mnemo> and I assume it didnt repro on your machine?
[10:08] <WT-Udev> libgnome-desktop-2-11 - Utility library for loading .desktop files - runtime files
[10:08] <WT-Udev> mnemo: are you using mixed repositories?  That is 9.04 and something else?
[10:08] <mnemo> its jaunty
[10:08] <mnemo> i got mediubuntu too, is that a problem?
[10:08] <mnemo> the only thing I installed from there was skype
[10:09] <WT-Udev> Not if you're using mediubuntu jaunty
[10:09] <WT-Udev> try opening a terminal
[10:09] <mnemo> yea I am
[10:09] <WT-Udev> sudo apt-get update
[10:09] <WT-Udev> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:09] <mnemo> yeah I did, i got the latest
[10:09] <mnemo> i also rebooted
[10:09] <WT-Udev> Just to make sure you haven't missed anything
[10:09] <mnemo> i had this problem for 3-4 days now
[10:10] <maco> with 2.25.91, i can launch eog
[10:10] <mnemo> dpkg -l | grep libgnome-desktop says I got two versions installed
[10:10] <mnemo> -2-11 and -2-7
[10:10] <mnemo> is that what you have as well?
[10:11] <mnemo> wait no... the -2-7 has status (rc) at the left
[10:12] <maco> that's 2.25.91 of eog
[10:13] <mnemo> this is what I got:
[10:13] <mnemo> http://pastebin.com/m6d1b34d1
[10:13] <mnemo> i wonder if the (rc) version of libgnome left some cruft in the config files or something?
[10:14] <mnemo> maco: if you start eog under gdb and do "info sharedlibrary" inside it, which version of libgnome-desktop is your eog using??
[10:15] <mnemo> maco: actually, can you run "ldd `which eog` | grep desktop" ??
[10:15] <maco> no sharedlibraries loaded at this time
[10:15] <maco> libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 => /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 (0xb7f3c000)
[10:15] <WT-Udev> That's correct then
[10:16] <mnemo> ahh, so your eog loads the proper libgnome-desktop then but mine decides to look for some old version?
[10:16] <mnemo> this is what my ldd says: http://pastebin.com/m7200c103
[10:17] <WT-Udev> Actually...
[10:17] <WT-Udev>     --- libgnome-desktop-2-11 (>= 1:2.25.90)
[10:17] <WT-Udev> that's what my package manager says
[10:17] <WT-Udev> Your eog is static linking the wrong thing
[10:17] <WT-Udev> Hum...
[10:17] <WT-Udev> ls -l /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop*
[10:18] <WT-Udev> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     28 2009-02-18 08:06 /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 -> libgnome-desktop-2.so.11.2.1
[10:18] <WT-Udev> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 160688 2009-02-17 05:34 /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11.2.1
[10:18] <WT-Udev> That's all I get on my system
[10:18] <WT-Udev> You should get something very similar
[10:19] <mnemo> i get: http://pastebin.com/m5d4c8120
[10:19] <mnemo> i also tried "sudo apt-get install --reinstall eog" now and it didnt solve it either
[10:19] <d-b> hi there i'm having some problems removing / making an initrd for the 2.6.27-11-server kernel whilst i'm upgraing
[10:19] <d-b> is this a known issue ? if so how should i fix it ? hold the package or ...
[10:20] <WT-Udev> d-b: the bugs database would be much more helpful
[10:20] <WT-Udev> !bug
[10:21] <d-b> WT-Udev: yes but i was wondering if some one hit it recently
[10:21] <d-b> and more importantly how should i fix it the best way
[10:21] <d-b> the bug is actually related to changes in udev (i'm guessing)
[10:22] <WT-Udev> bug 332270
[10:22] <WT-Udev> Read that then
[10:23] <WT-Udev> mnemo: sudo apt-get check
[10:23] <d-b> WT-Udev: that would be an issue if that as my default kernel i boot from.
[10:23] <d-b> thank you for the link ^^
[10:24] <WT-Udev> d-b: generally, upgrading you shouldn't re-make the kernel/initrd anyway, at least not until after it's already upgrading.
[10:25] <d-b> agreed
[10:25] <d-b> mmm odd i can only see a 2.6.27-11 in my repos but i know there is a 2.6.28
[10:30] <WT-Udev> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[10:30] <WT-Udev> update-manager -d
[10:32] <WT-Udev> mnemo: any luck on the apt-get check?
[10:33] <DPic> did the latest update break sound for everyone?
[10:33] <mnemo> WT-Udev: no, but I just found out what it was... for some weird reason I had a eog binary in /usr/local... I must have accidentally ran make install with that prefix while testing some patch..
[10:33] <mnemo> WT-Udev: thanks for the help though, it works now
[10:34] <WT-Udev> Geeze
[10:34] <WT-Udev> that's annoying
[10:35] <TuTUXG> how do i reload alsa?
[10:35] <WT-Udev> oh that's annoying, ubuntu doesn't have an init level alsa service....
[10:36] <TuTUXG> I lost all my sound devices
[10:36] <WT-Udev> It's got pulseaudio, but no alsa
[10:37] <TuTUXG> now in sound control i only have null output(pulseaudio mixer)
[10:37] <TuTUXG> WT-Udev, any idea?
[10:37] <WT-Udev> TuTUXG: I told mplayer to use Alsa when that happend.
[10:37] <WT-Udev> I had bigger issues (udev) to worry about at the time.
[10:38] <TuTUXG> hum...
[10:39] <DPic> TuTUXG, i think the latest update did this to everyone
[10:39] <DPic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6796718#post6796718
[10:40] <mnemo> yeah my audio certain is broken
[10:40] <TuTUXG> DPic, sweet
[10:40] <maco> WT-Udev: sudo alsa force-reload
[10:40] <DPic> maco, didn't work
[10:41] <maco> that's how you force it to reload the modules and junk
[10:41] <maco> that's all i was answering
[10:41] <DPic> o, sorry
[10:41] <WT-Udev> Oh that's -nice-
[10:41] <WT-Udev> Thanks maco
[10:41] <TuTUXG> DPic, any work around?
[10:42] <DPic> TuTUXG, don't think so. looks like we'll all just have to wait for a fix to be released
[10:42] <TuTUXG> aha
[10:42] <TuTUXG> so now im force to work
[10:43] <d-b-ubuntu> hi WT-Udev what was that link /
[10:43] <DPic> TuTUXG, haha me too
[10:43] <WT-Udev> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[10:43] <WT-Udev> update-manager -d
[10:44] <d-b-ubuntu> An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'intrepid' is not supported with this tool.
[10:44] <d-b-ubuntu> rofl.
[10:45] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: what are you trying to upgrade from?
[10:45] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: nar i'm on jaunty now... which is the funny part.
[10:45] <d-b-ubuntu> well i should be ... meh WT-Udev what was that link i'm trying to fix my issue. so i can finish the upgrade
[10:46] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: lsb_release -r
[10:46] <d-b-ubuntu> nm got it
[10:46] <d-b-ubuntu> sb_release -r
[10:46] <d-b-ubuntu> Release:	9.04
[10:47] <WT-Udev> Hum... you're already upgraded
[10:47] <WT-Udev> odd
[10:48] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: mmm yeah but i'm still stuck at the initrd problem :(
[10:48] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: have you tried sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade?
[10:48] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: .... yeah of course
[10:48] <d-b-ubuntu> i did that before now the initrd is being stupid.
[10:48] <d-b-ubuntu> i don't want a 2.6.27 kernel ...
[10:49] <WT-Udev> sudo update-initramfs -c -k `uname -r`
[10:49] <WT-Udev> Oh, replace the `` section with 'all'
[10:49] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: i know
[10:49] <WT-Udev> Yes, any errors resulting from that?
[10:49] <d-b-ubuntu> ah ?
[10:49] <WT-Udev> update-initramfs -c -k all
[10:49] <WT-Udev> any errors?
[10:49] <d-b-ubuntu> done that already
[10:50] <d-b-ubuntu> cpio: ./bin/udevinfo: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[10:51] <d-b-ubuntu> and no i can't apt-get update and apt-get upgrade because it will complain to dpkg ... can't i force it to ignore the updating of initrd ?
[10:52] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: there's something wrong with something on your system
[10:52] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: why ?
[10:52] <WT-Udev> My 9.04 has -no- udevinfo in the initrds and no udevinfo anywhere that which looks
[10:53] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: mmm. interesting.
[10:53] <d-b-ubuntu> in that case are there 9.04 cds out atm ? /on mirros (for alpha)
[10:54] <WT-Udev> sudo aptitude reinstall busybox-initramfs initramfs-tools initscripts module-init-tools
[10:55] <d-b-ubuntu> ah i have no initscritps
[10:55] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: manual install time ?
[10:55] <d-b-ubuntu> if you give me a link i can click it ...
[10:56] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: just drop re from the install
[10:56] <d-b-ubuntu> ah ?
[10:56] <d-b-ubuntu> can't i get it to hold the making of the initrd ?
[10:56] <d-b-ubuntu> like i asked earlier ...
[10:57] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: I don't believe you can
[10:57] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: and why not .. its just an instructions somewhere ... telling my install to do it
[10:57] <d-b-ubuntu> i dont' want that kernel..
[10:58] <WT-Udev> There are some things you can try if you absolutely must, but just try sudo aptitude  install busybox-initramfs initramfs-tools initscripts module-init-tools  first
[10:58] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: it doesn't matter, you don't -have- to reboot
[10:58] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: cant unless there is a magic force option
[10:58] <WT-Udev> Let it make an initrd you won't need
[10:58] <WT-Udev> Just -try- installing the packages it needs to make one first.
[10:58] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: like i said dpkg goes oh no you need to fix this first
[10:59] <d-b-ubuntu> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[10:59] <WT-Udev> Pastebin ( paste.ubuntu.com ) ... Ok, run that THEN pastebin what that says.  If nothing else we can force it to remove the package, I think...  Hum, that might not work either.
[11:00] <d-b-ubuntu>  WT-Udev sure your not oing to see anything extra
[11:01] <d-b-ubuntu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122767/
[11:01] <d-b-ubuntu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/122768/
[11:06] <popey> anyone else seeing audio breakage on intel in jaunty today?
[11:06] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: that last one was from running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ???
[11:06] <d-b-ubuntu> yeah
[11:07] <d-b-ubuntu> mmm can you tell me what /bin/udevinfo is
[11:07] <d-b-ubuntu> as it seems ok to have blank files for the rest of it
[11:07] <WT-Udev> Like I said, I have NOTHING there
[11:07] <d-b-ubuntu> rofl ?
[11:07] <WT-Udev> There IS no such file
[11:07] <d-b-ubuntu> mmm.
[11:09] <d-b-ubuntu> its fine i think i have worked how it is a link to /sbin/udevadm
[11:09] <d-b-ubuntu> i win
[11:09] <d-b-ubuntu> ^^
[11:09] <d-b-ubuntu> rofl at lulz in the files i wanted but didn't reallyneed
[11:10] <WT-Udev> Ok
[11:11] <WT-Udev> d-b-ubuntu: Don't forget to remove that file and do the initrd regeneration before rebooting
[11:11] <d-b-ubuntu> WT-Udev: i'm not stupid
[11:12] <d-b-ubuntu> sorry but yeah well i just had some fun with making an initrd with some 'lulz' as required files so ... i'm not going to leave it in a non-working state ^^
[11:13] <d-b-ubuntu> thank you for you help ^^.
[11:27] <urkki> How do I install Skype?
[11:27] <urkki> Ah, medibuntu...?
[11:28] <WT-Udev> !restricted
[11:28] <WT-Udev> hum... no
[11:28] <WT-Udev> !nonfree
[11:28] <WT-Udev> !mediubuntu
[11:28] <WT-Udev> !medibuntu
[11:28] <WT-Udev> There you go, you had the right spelling
[12:03] <BonezAU> hi, I want to play with jaunty in a VM. If I want the most current install, am I better off downloading Alpha 4 then downloading all update with apt or the daily build?
[12:04] <dns53> they should end up the same so it should not matter, there could be occasinally problems with the upgrade scripts but they are extreemly rare
[12:04] <BonezAU> basically what i want to know is, does the current daily build have any major known issues or should it be ok to use that?
[12:04] <BonezAU> ok thanks
[12:05] <BonezAU> so alpha 4 + fully updated is identical to the 'daily-live' ISO?
[12:06] <dns53> yes, it's only when you get a buggy package that does not uninstall then install the new version there may be a problem with that package
[12:06] <BonezAU> sweet thanks...
[12:06] <BonezAU> gotta reboot my pc... bbl
[12:06] <BonezAU> cheers
[12:15] <AlanJenkinsLapto> hey can someone wiht the jaunty sound issues confirm something for me?
[12:15] <marijus> yes
[12:16] <AlanJenkinsLapto> can you please try doing these commands:
[12:16] <AlanJenkinsLapto> sudo -i
[12:16] <AlanJenkinsLapto> pulseaudio &
[12:16] <AlanJenkinsLapto> paplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav
[12:16] <AlanJenkinsLapto> see if you hear anything
[12:16] <marijus> my pulseaudio douesnt work since todays updates...
[12:17] <AlanJenkinsLapto> marijus: yes I know
[12:17] <AlanJenkinsLapto> just try those commands
[12:17] <AlanJenkinsLapto> mine is in the same boat but for some reason under root pulseaudio works
[12:18] <AlanJenkinsLapto> I believe there has been some change somewhere that is denying normal users pulseaudio from accessing the cards
[12:18] <marijus> im using 0.9.15 from ppa though...
[12:19] <AlanJenkinsLapto> ah ok im still on 0.9.14
[12:20] <AlanJenkinsLapto> still run those commands see if the sound plays
[12:20] <marijus> anyway... it works
[12:20] <marijus> as sudo
[12:20] <AlanJenkinsLapto> kk
[12:20] <aprilhare> hello: i'm trying to connect to my wireless router using my laptop and jaunty. the router uses WPA-PSK security. will WPA Personal work?
[12:24] <TuTUXG> aprilhare, works here
[12:25] <TuTUXG> wpa2 personal
[12:27] <aprilhare> ic
[12:27] <aprilhare> doesnt here. might need to experiment more
[12:28] <aprilhare> pops up "authenication required by wireless network" and gives me a choice between wep, leap and dynamic wep
[12:28] <aprilhare> confusing
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> lol
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> ok guys found a way of getting sound working after the pulse update
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> as I guessed its something to do with permissions
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> if you open a terminal and cd /dev/snd/
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> and run sudo chmod 777 *
[12:34] <AlanJenkinsLapto> and then restart pulseaudio
[12:35] <AlanJenkinsLapto> you can then listen to your music or whatever
[12:35] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, thats not the right way, actually
[12:35] <marijus> for me it says: Failed to open module "module-alsa-card": file not found
[12:36] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, look at what group owns the files in /dev/snd and make sure you are a member of that group
[12:36] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: did that
[12:36] <shadowhywind> hay all random issue, knetworkmanager lately, when i select a wireless network, it doesn't even act as it is trying to connect to it
[12:36] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: for some odd reason didnt work tho
[12:36] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, hm
[12:36] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: unless the user needs execute rights on it O.o
[12:36] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, no not really
[12:37] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, crw-rw----+ thats my permissions
[12:38] <AlanJenkinsLapto> mine were until I just did 777 to test my theory
[12:38] <AlanJenkinsLapto> just changed em back now (gonna see if i can get the group working again)
[12:38] <TuTUXG> AlanJenkinsLapto, that does work
[12:38] <TuTUXG> AlanJenkinsLapto, how to change them back?
[12:39] <AlanJenkinsLapto> TuTUXG: sudo chmod 660 *
[12:39] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, also i remember i had to fiddle with it, groups that i remember i needed is plugdev and audio
[12:39] <TuTUXG> AlanJenkinsLapto, so which group should be add to?
[12:39] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: ah I just did audio didnt think of plugdev
[12:40] <AlanJenkinsLapto> thats probs why it did not work then
[12:40] <aprilhare> aww jaunty doesn't support my laptops built-in memory card reader
[12:40] <aprilhare> :)
[12:40] <aprilhare> got the wireless working though
[12:41] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, make sure that files there are owned by root:audio
[12:41] <AlanJenkinsLapto> mmm usser i was already a member of plugdev
[12:41] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: they are checked that
[12:42] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, can u run alsamixer without 777 perm?
[12:42] <AlanJenkinsLapto> nope doesnt detect the cards
[12:42] <usser> weird
[12:42] <AlanJenkinsLapto> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:43] <AlanJenkinsLapto> anyway brb gonna reboot to make sure it has realised I have added myself to the audio group
[12:43] <usser> did you relogin after you added yourself to audio
[12:43] <AlanJenkinsLapto> usser: I did but it didnt seem to work
[12:43] <AlanJenkinsLapto> gonna try a reboot
[12:43] <AlanJenkinsLapto> brb
[12:43] <usser> ok good luck
[12:47] <AlanJenkinsLapto> mmm still not working usser
[12:47] <usser> AlanJenkinsLapto, well i guess leave it at 777, cant see any harm in that :)
[12:48] <AlanJenkinsLapto> mmm suppose not
[12:49] <WT-Udev> Oh what a lovely upgrade
[12:49] <WT-Udev> Make a new group 'audio' and don't add existing users to it on upgrade
[12:50] <IntuitiveNipple> The Silence of the Linux ?
[12:51] <AlanJenkinsLapto> WT-Udev: it does however add the pulse group to the list
[12:51] <AlanJenkinsLapto> but that obviously doesnt work =)
[12:52] <TuTUXG> hum, my epson printer's not working
[12:53] <Sa[i]nT> Is there any screenshots of JJ up yet?
[12:57] <usser> WT-Udev, what a lovely upgrade, bork a new kernel setup stage, so grub doesnt recognize it, its still alpha you kind of expect things like that ;)
[13:00] <WT-Udev> Did anyone file the audio owner stuff yet?
[13:04] <aprilhare> trying jaunty using alpha 4 cd and i think it has audio issues - a "popping" sound after audio is played
[13:04] <aprilhare> is this expected?
[13:59] <diginux> uggh
[14:00] <diginux> i just did the latest updates for jaunty, now after my computer is finished booting, both the monitors just turn off, no X or console or anything :(
[14:00] <diginux> how do i tell ubuntu to just boot into terminal mode with no x?
[14:00] <WT-Udev> diginux: I think that's the recovery mode option
[14:01] <diginux> WT-Udev: yeah, i am in recovery mode right now, i'd like to boot into normal mode though, with just text, and see if I can figure out what is going on
[14:01] <WT-Udev> You need to disable gdm
[14:02] <WT-Udev> Unfortunately I set my laptop to shut down... so I don't ... actually my router might be close enough
[14:02] <diginux> ok, also, how do i stop the plash screen from appearing during boot, so i can see whats going on
[14:02] <WT-Udev> ls /etc/rc?.d/*gdm
[14:02] <WT-Udev> update-rc.d -h
[14:03] <diginux> yeah, i know how to do that
[14:03] <diginux> i also want to know how to drop into text mode during the actual booting process
[14:03] <WT-Udev> diginux: that's easy hit e in grub, and then select the quiet line, press d to delete it
[14:03] <diginux> WT-Udev: thanks
[14:03] <diginux> bbiab
[14:03] <WT-Udev> diginux: you also
[14:03] <WT-Udev> want to get rid of splash or whatever it is
[14:15] <diginux> quick question, what would cause gdm to fail, but Xorg to not have anything in the error log?
[14:15] <diginux> nm, think I found it...
[14:25] <gwern> so I just upgraded to jaunty for a bug report, and I've noticed something - .gnomerc seems to be getting ignored, ie I have 'export WINDOW_MANAGER=xmonad' and that worked fine in intrepid, but in jaunty GNOME comes up with Metacity every time. any ideas?
[14:26] <gwern> (obviously I've been unable to find any existing bug reports)
[14:27] <gwern> changing it to WINDOW_MANAGER=/home/gwern/bin/bin/xmonad doesn't help either, so I don't think it's any sort of path problem
[14:31] <gwern> (maybe I'll just symlink metacity to xmonad...)
[14:56] <diginux> WT-Udev: got my problem fixed, how do i re-enable gdm? update-rc.d gdm add gives me some error missing LSB information
[14:56] <WT-Udev> update-rc.d [-n] <basename> defaults
[14:56] <WT-Udev> so
[14:56] <WT-Udev> update-rc.d gdm defaults
[14:56] <WT-Udev> probably
[14:56] <diginux> got it, thanks!
[14:56] <diginux> forgot it was a different syntax
[14:56] <diginux> too used to gentoo yet :)
[14:57] <cwillu> gdm is missing the lsb header block though, kinda a long standing problem :)
[14:57] <WT-Udev> Yeah
[15:00] <gwern> so, turns out there's something funky in my ~/.gconf that's causing this
[15:00] <gwern> strange
[15:16] <UnixDawg_> wow I just update dmy laptop 2 days ago and now there is a full update
[15:16] <UnixDawg_> geesh
[15:18] <Pici> I always do a full-upgrade
[15:18] <UnixDawg_> it will have to wait till tonight
[15:18] <UnixDawg_> well 2 days ago it was 256 megs of updates
[15:18] <UnixDawg_> now it seems to be about the same
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Jaunty updates are hitting hard right now.
[15:21] <diginux> WT-Udev: so its weird, if i boot into text mode and start gdm manually, it works, if i let it start itself it gives me nothing
[15:21] <diginux> ill wait until things settle with the latest round of updates before making a big fuss though
[15:22] <WT-Udev> diginux: that sounds like a timing issue to me
[15:22] <WT-Udev> ls /etc/rc?.d/*gdm*
[15:22] <WT-Udev> /etc/rc0.d/K01gdm  /etc/rc1.d/K01gdm  /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm  /etc/rc3.d/S30gdm  /etc/rc4.d/S30gdm  /etc/rc5.d/S30gdm  /etc/rc6.d/K01gdm
[15:22] <WT-Udev> Is that where your GDM is set?
[15:22] <UnixDawg_> jaunty the new windows os
[15:23] <UnixDawg_> lol
[15:23] <UnixDawg_> ducking
[15:24] <diginux> WT-Udev: hmm, it appears to only be set in init.d
[15:24] <diginux> WT-Udev: i could have sworn it said it was making the symlinks though to the other rc levels..
[15:24] <diginux> hmm
[15:24] <CarlFK> whats the command to generate a vanilla xorg.conf?  (so I can add a line)
[15:24] <WT-Udev> Run the command and test again
[15:26] <UnixDawg_> xorxconfig
[15:26] <UnixDawg_> xorgconfig
[15:28] <CarlFK> -bash: xorgconfig: command not found - I was thinking soemthing like dpkg -reconfigure xorg-something
[15:28] <WT-Udev> UnixDawg_: it's gdm, diginux had to disable it to fix something... but now the sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[15:28] <WT-Udev> isn't fixing it
[15:30] <UnixDawg_> CarlFK, seems ubuntu does not include
[15:30] <UnixDawg_> it
[15:31] <WT-Udev> You know, that is a bug
[15:31] <diginux> has anyone here been having firefox+flash issues with jaunty?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> CarlFK: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:31] <WT-Udev> Even if it's not including it should at LEAST be a nearly empty shellscript to do the damn thing
[15:31] <diginux> whenever i listen to npr(which uses flash), then close that window, it crashes ff
[15:32] <CarlFK> charlie-tca: that's the one.  thanks
[15:32] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:43] <danbhfive> diginux: I have found flash to be a bit unstable
[15:44] <diginux> danbhfive: any chances it will stabilize in jaunty? flash was also hit and miss in ibex
[15:45] <WT-Udev> diginux: I think you'd have to ask Adobe that question
[15:45] <diginux> WT-Udev: :P
[15:49] <danbhfive> you know what would be cool?, is an easy way to switch between gnash and adobe.  That way, you could at least use gnash where it works...
[15:56] <BUGabundo> danbhfive: how about using galternatives?
[15:56] <danbhfive> BUGabundo: Ill take a look, thanks
[17:14] <danser> does anyone else notice heavy cpu usage by the latest firefox update?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:16] <diginux> danbhfive: yes
[17:16] <diginux> danser: yes
[17:16] <diginux> danbhfive: sorry
[17:16] <diginux> danser: for me it seemed to be only when i was using flash though, but i havent had time to test extensively
[17:16] <danser> diginux: ah, will test with flash disabled then
[17:19] <danser> haven't disabled flash yet but restarted the browser after updating some hal packages, not sure whether it's related but firefox seems to act normal for now
[17:39] <urkki> Touchpad in my laptop is not working, it has worked ok in hardy and intrepid
[17:45] <martijn81> can someone backport ktorrent 3.2 to intrepid please?
[17:49] <martijn81> anyone?
[17:49] <danielsan474> there will be a chance for the new upstart version in 9.04?
[18:02] <Volkodav> I just did an upgrade and I only have Null Output for Pulse
[18:02] <Volkodav> that's it
[18:03] <Volkodav> Anybody else another pulse f**k up ?
[18:03] <martijn81> danielsan474: reading tweakers.net it is only going to be included on 9.10
[18:12] <DoYouKnow> how come in the latest ubuntu I can't do "cat /bin/ls > /dev/audio" anymore?
[18:13] <DoYouKnow> as a user
[18:17] <DoYouKnow> my permissions got borked somehow
[18:17] <DoYouKnow> weird
[18:17] <DoYouKnow> had to do sudo chmod 666 /dev/audio
[18:19] <UnixDawg_> 151 pkgs to update
[18:19] <UnixDawg_> wholly crap
[18:19] <cwillu> 151 packages of whole crap?  I somehow doubt that :p
[18:40] <Volkodav> chmod 666 /dev/audio was my solution too
[19:36] <shadeslayer> will there be  any harm to my machine if i install alpha on a Vbox??
[19:37] <shadeslayer> and arent the alpha CD's available on a torrent??
[19:37] <fosco__> no to the first
[19:37] <fosco__> yes to the second
[19:37] <shadeslayer> torrent please
[19:38] <shadeslayer> where can i find it??
[19:38] <shadeslayer> !torrents
[19:38] <fosco__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-4/
[19:39] <shadeslayer> which one is the torrent??
[19:39] <shadeslayer> nm
[19:39] <shadeslayer> found it
[19:40] <shadeslayer> thanks guys
[19:50] <FFForever> after running this morning updates i have no sound and whne i launch alsamixer i get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[19:51] <SwedeMike> I lost sound as well.
[19:51] <FFForever> SwedeMike, do u get the same thing on alsa mixer?
[19:52] <SwedeMike> let me see
[19:52] <SwedeMike> yes.
[19:52] <FFForever> dtchen, any idea?
[19:56] <Pici> Ah
[20:00] <Ienorand> Are there any plans on fixing the way the desktop icons work for Jaunty, it's basiacally same old pain as ever...
[20:12] <yofel> hm /dev/audio isn't the only one with wrong permissions - on my intel 945GME graphics card hardware rendering is disabled unless i chmod 666 /dev/dri/card0 :(
[20:13] <yofel> which reduces fps in glxgears from 600 to 100
[20:13] <maco> 666??
[20:14] <maco> what are teh permissions before you chmod that?
[20:14] <maco> and how'd you get 666 as opposed to something more...sane?
[20:16] <yofel> it was 660, i tried 664 but that didn't help, 666 works
[20:24] <FFForever> anyways to increase this?, chris@chris-laptop:~$ glxgears 7489 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1497.722 FPS
[20:25] <yofel> FFForever: graphics card?
[20:26] <FFForever> laptop =\, nvidia something
[20:26] <FFForever> 750m
[20:26] <yofel> and what does 'glxinfo | grep render' give you?
[20:27] <FFForever> direct rendering: Yes
[20:27] <FFForever> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[20:27] <FFForever>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[20:28] <yofel> no idea then, sry
[20:29] <FFForever> yofel, any idea on how 2 fix meh sound?
[20:30] <yofel> no, same problem here
[20:36] <yofel> FFForever: add yourself to group audio 'gpasswd -a your_name audio' and re-login
[20:46] <nroot7> I am using Jaunty with compiz and my notifications are not well formed. Like volume bar's dont come up - only a translucent black box
[20:47] <nroot7> how can i fix this
[20:59] <DoYouKnow> hi... for some reason my /dev/audio keeps losing its user group permissions
[21:00] <DoYouKnow> in the current build of jaunty
[21:00] <DoYouKnow> so sound doesn't play
[21:01] <DoYouKnow> brb, let's see if it sticks if I just logout and don't reboot
[21:03] <DoYouKnow> well, some sounds play - like the login drumbeat
[21:04] <DoYouKnow> but not after I log i
[21:04] <DoYouKnow> *in*
[21:04] <DoYouKnow> it shows up as pulseaudio null output
[21:04] <DoYouKnow> in sound settings
[21:07] <DoYouKnow> E: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hw:0: No such file or directory
[21:07] <DoYouKnow> after killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio
[21:08] <DoYouKnow> this is a ati ixp ac97
[21:08] <DoYouKnow> *an
[21:49] <carlFK_lt> http://dpaste.com/1555/  pidgin crashs - how can I get a better bt?
[22:07] <DoYouKnow> bt>
[22:07] <DoYouKnow> ?
[22:07] <DoYouKnow> bt?
[22:08] <carlFK_lt> (gdb) bt
[22:08] <carlFK_lt> that
[22:10] <DoYouKnow> ah, backtrace
[22:11] <DoYouKnow> so you're looking for a backtrace of pidgin with more information?
[22:11] <DoYouKnow> that will help you debug the problem?
[22:11] <carlFK_lt> well, not me personally - bu someone
[22:11] <carlFK_lt> ill just post a bug report to lp
[22:11] <DoYouKnow> ok
[22:12] <DoYouKnow> well, I'm just a beginner and programming and stuff
[22:12] <DoYouKnow> so I don't know much about it
[22:12] <DoYouKnow> *at
[22:14] <carlFK_lt> no prob
[22:22] <Sjimmie> carlFK_lt: kill -s QUIT $(pidof banshee-1); cp ~/.config/banshee-1/log ~/Desktop/banshee.log
[22:22] <Sjimmie> that creates an extensive logfile for the banshee-1 process, should work for any other process aswell I supose
[22:23] <Sjimmie> and attach the banshee.log file that is now on your Desktop. The kill -s QUIT part of that command doesn't actually close Banshee; it tells Banshee to output more information useful for debugging.
[22:25] <carlFK_lt> pgrep pidgin shows 7131, so kill -s 7131- where do I find it's log?
[22:33] <Sjimmie> hmmm good question, in banshee's case in it's config dir, but I doubt if thats the same for pidgin
[22:33] <Sjimmie> did you check pidgin bug reporting procedures?
[22:35] <Sjimmie> carlFK_lt: or start it from a terminal and then watch in there?
[22:40] <Sjimmie> carlFK_lt: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/TipsForBugReports
[22:48] <UnixDawg_> 135 updated pkgs since sunday
[22:49] <UnixDawg_> carl killall -9 pidgin
[22:52] <carlFK_lt> siegie: did you look at the url I posted?
[22:57] <akio> I wonder where I would find a guide to using vanilla kernel in ubuntu?
[22:57] <akio> a moderatley easier one
[22:58] <akio> It would be a first for me though.
[23:00] <carlFK_lt> akio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlKarsten "My kernel howto"  not exactly what you asked for, but maybe wat you want
[23:02] <akio> carlFK_lt: thanks, I was dreaming about using KMS
[23:02] <bruce89> http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2009/02/jaunty-kernel-bits.html#
[23:02] <bruce89> without the #
[23:08] <bruce89> http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2008/07/totem-tab-support
[23:08] <akio> cool
[23:08] <akio> i see the kernel-ppa/mainline
[23:14] <marijus2> akio: this kernel doesnt have kms enabled
[23:16] <akio> hence the usage of the word "dreaming"
[23:16] <akio> I believe it is enabled in 2.6.29
[23:16] <akio> And that was what I was looking to learn more about using in my current environment.
[23:17] <bruce89> out of interest, what is it?
[23:17] <marijus2> kernel mode setting
[23:17] <akio> extreme currently is a centos webhosting account
[23:17] <akio> i have two machines with jaunty
[23:18] <akio> one has a 915 and the other a 945 Intel GM(E) graphics chipsets
[23:18]  * bruce89 feels very stupid
[23:19]  * akio wonders why
[23:19] <Sa[i]nT> My laptop has 945GM intel vid card lol.
[23:19] <akio> they run smooth as silk
[23:20] <marijus2> how do you get the stars infront of nickname?
[23:20]  * bruce89 does /me
[23:20] <akio> use "/me"
[23:21]  * marijus2 :)
[23:21] <marijus2> cool
[23:24] <bruce89> I couldn't figure out what Kernel Mode Setting meant, but I suppose it doesn't matter
[23:25] <akio> google it
[23:27] <bruce89> ah, seamless mode setting
[23:28] <akio> what interests me most is using the computer like the old days, console mode the whole time - only
[23:29] <akio> currently that is almost impossible with one of my machines, a 1024x600 screen using intelfb
[23:29] <akio> I have seen it accomplished but after much hacking.
[23:29] <akio> KMS should make things a LOT easier
[23:32] <zooko> Argh.  I just upgraded my box to jaunty, and it has somehow screwed up
[23:32] <zooko>         my grub menu.  It gives a prompt saying "grub press escape in the next
[23:32] <zooko>         X seconds to see the menu", and then X counts down from 2.
[23:32] <zooko> But, if I hit escape then it flashes the menu (or something) for a
[23:32] <zooko>         split second before going ahead and trying to book the jaunty kernel.
[23:32] <zooko>         :-(
[23:33] <zooko> also, once the jaunty kernel boots and everything starts, then when I log in it hangs instead of giving me a bash prompt.  :-(
[23:33] <zooko> Same over ssh.
[23:34] <bruce89> I doubt that's recoverable
[23:34] <zooko> Oh wait, nevermind about the hanging part.
[23:34] <zooko> It just wasn't showing me the prompt.
[23:34] <zooko> :-)
[23:34] <zooko> Now I can experiment with grub.
[23:34] <bruce89> perhaps the motd updating thing
[23:35] <zooko> Yeah, it showed the motd and then didn't show the prompt for a while.
[23:35] <zooko> Yeah, now it doesn't do that since the motd is now upgraded.
[23:36]  * zooko sees what happens if he joins #ubuntu+2...
[23:36] <zooko> Aww.
[23:36] <zooko> Not invited.
[23:37] <ian1> is patch testing needed for this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/330476
[23:38] <bruce89> !schedule
[23:44] <zooko> Hm.
[23:45] <zooko> This time it definitely showed the grub menu for a second before going ahead and booting the first kernel in the list.
[23:45] <zooko> I guess I can just edit my grub menu.lst and re-run update-grub if I ever want to boot a different kernel.  ;-)