[00:01] died on 85 again :( [00:01] hh [00:01] +e [00:01] Epiphany died on level 1 for me [00:03] bruce89, you ever play starraiders, like, 20 years ago? [00:03] the repair stations in the lightyears clone are a great knockoff :) [00:03] I'm not even that old [00:03] hmm [00:03] well, [00:03] you're missing out :p [00:04] can't do much about that [00:16] * bruce89 wondered where "Wood" was, but it was the surname of the captain of one of the teams [00:16] I can't add the sensor plugin to xfce panel anymore for some reason [00:19] ok I have a major break [00:24] ok just fixed my issue i think [00:24] brb [00:27] ok all fixed [00:27] man [00:29] that was a close call [00:29] how so? [00:31] i had some pkgs that did not upgrade fully [00:31] but I was able to boot into recover mode and then fix them [00:31] all back to working order [00:35] hello [00:35] I need to check if my CPU supports SSE3, but in /proc/cpuinfo I can see ssse3 (with 3 s) [00:35] is that SSE3? [00:36] no, that's kind of SSE4 [00:36] Turl: all SSSE3-capable processors also support SSE3, as far as I know. [00:37] ok rww, it said sse & sse2, but I was confused with the 3 s's in ssse3 :p [00:38] are kubuntu jaunty user who are also experiencing flickering of the icons in dolphin? [00:38] incidentally, why do you need to know your CPU supports SSE3? [00:40] bruce89: I was talking with a mac fanboy, who asked me whether I could install macos on my laptop or not, and as far as I know, you need sse3 for that, so I checked on /proc/cpuinfo to answer him [00:40] but I won't install macos on this anyway, I just don't like that apple SO [00:40] heh [00:40] there are patches for sse2 compatible [00:41] I just upgraded my good ol' pentium3 from Intrepid to Jaunty, everything went smooth :) [00:41] i dont think atom support sse3 neither [00:42] I'm slumming it without SSE3 [00:42] intel atom does not have sse2/3 [00:43] * DanaG doesn't like Apple's attitude. [00:43] =þ [00:43] now the pentium3 is a fast-booter, it boots even faster than my dad's P4 2.8Ghz HT with XP. Jaunty rulz :p [00:43] * Turl doesn't like apple bricks [00:44] well, actually the new 45nm atom does support ssse3 [00:45] n2xx series [00:46] P4s are sinkers [00:47] well, even a livecd on that same pc boots faster that the hadr [00:47] hard-disk installed xp* [00:51] yikes, Qt looks interesting in GNOME [00:51] i remember how my first laptop (p3 256mb) boots xp [00:52] qt on gnome looks like win95 windows :p [00:52] i like using ktorrent under gnome [00:52] TuTUXG: how many Ghz? my pc matches your ram/cpu config :p [00:52] Transmission works best for me [00:52] Turl, i think it was 800mhz [00:53] or even slower [00:53] TuTUXG: mine is a bit faster, 1Ghz [00:53] not comparable, mine was a laptop [00:53] I think that it can be a decent machine if I add a little more ram, my lappy is most of the time just using 800Mhz :p [00:53] Turl: not now it doesn't, it uses GTK+ for the drawing, so the effect is rather odd [00:54] bruce89: cool, I'll install picard later and check it out := [00:54] :)* [00:54] TuTUXG, i miss that laptop, it was a lenovo before they bought ibm [00:55] so it looks the same, but acts differently (buttons wrong way round etc.) [00:56] bruce89, i really cannot tell the difference of a kde4 app under gnome rather than kde4 [00:57] I can't help but feel as if it's EEE [00:57] EEE? [00:58] eeepc i guess he means [00:58] I was going for something else, but never mind [00:58] ... [00:59] what about the dell mini 9? [00:59] i rather choose hp mini [01:00] or the new eeepc with 10' led [01:01] * bruce89 sees a 10 inch screen with only one pixel on it [01:01] how so [01:01] LOL [01:02] LED being a Light Emitting Diode [01:04] oh [01:04] led backlighting lcd [01:04] btw, what was broken in udev? haven't noticed anything odd recently [01:11] Turl, a loop on boot while mounting/recognising LVMs [01:13] how can i mount ext4 as ext3? [01:13] hggdh: can you explain me what a LVM is? I was always offered to make one on the setup program, but always answered no [01:14] ubuntu_: iirc, if your ext4 uses extends, you simply can't [01:15] ah i see [01:15] LVM is Logical Volume Manager: you can set up your harddisk under LVM, allowing for extending the partitions, even across different physical disks [01:16] but intrepid has support for ext4 right? is it ext4dev or something? the reason im doing this is last batch of updates broke my jaunty, grub says error 13: unknown or unsupported executable format when trying to boot into jaunty. Anyone else experiencing it? [01:21] I got 24 myself [01:22] hggdh: is LVM compatible with other OSes? (windows vista/xp mainly) [01:22] ubuntu_, grub doesn't have support for ext4 while using extents, you need to use grub2 or a seperate boot aprtition [01:22] Turl, no [01:23] cwillu: and can I use part of my disk with LVM and another part without? [01:25] cwillu: ah, is that why it didn't work [01:26] Turl, no [01:26] hggdh: is LVM related with M$ "dynamic disk" ? [01:27] bruce89, and it's cute too, because if you upgrade an existing partition, and turn on extents, your old kernels will still boot, because only new files will use extents :) [01:27] Turl, similar idea, yes [01:28] Turl, yes, you can make any particular block devices part of an lvm [01:28] cwillu: so in other words, I need to use grub2 [01:28] Turl, hell, I've got a raid10 for testing that is across 4 partitions on a single drive :p [01:28] bruce89, or a separate boot partition [01:28] bruce89, grub2 is pretty painless though [01:28] right, just as well it is [01:28] cwillu: heh :p [01:29] cwillu: try to use a USB flash drive :) [01:29] Turl, well, it's on a usb external right now, but it's a rotary drive on that, not flash :p [01:29] out of interest how do I get the "change theme" thing appear in KDE's system settings, I want to change kstars' theme [01:30] * cwillu is behind the times, is still using gnome :p [01:30] cwillu: do you have any idea how much does an internal2external disk "converter" costs? [01:30] not very much [01:30] I mean, that boxes you put your hdd inside and plug it with usb [01:30] so am I, I can just about tolerate kstars [01:30] hell, with a sata drive, there isn't even any electronics necessary [01:31] (in that alot of enclosures have an esata port, which is preferable to a usb port if you have one [01:31] cwillu: my PC doesn't have an eSATA port :p [01:31] fix that first :p [01:31] well, it says esata, but it's covered and has no connector :/ [01:32] it's a laptop, so I guess I cannot do anything (apart from hoping you can get an esata port using ExpressCards :p [01:34] anyone else experiencing problems with today's update, ubuntu wont boot grub says error 13: unsupported/unknown executable format [01:37] just booted, and had no problem [01:39] ubuntu_: I didn't upgrade grub nor kernels so I don't see why this would happen? [01:40] och well, bye kstars [01:41] turl, the idea is similar, but I would bet the implementations are very different [01:41] Turl: there was a kernel update, whats strange it didnt have a minor version so basically it update 2.6.26-8 with 2.6.28-8 [01:41] Turl: also im using ext4 here converted from ext3 with extents and all the feauters of ext4 enable [01:41] err enabled [01:42] ubuntu_: I didn't get a kernel upgrade today, maybe your apt mirror is broken or something? [01:42] can reinstall grub from intrepid? does it know about ext4? [01:42] hm [01:42] try reinstalling the kernel and see if it fixes grub [01:42] ubuntu_: intrepid kernel doesn't know about ext4 :( [01:42] Turl: yesterday maybe? i havent updated for two days [01:42] try using a jaunty live cd [01:46] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext4#GRUB_Error_13 [01:47] is there any way to chroot into an installation and enable network? [01:47] ubuntu_: I believe so [01:47] chroot /your/mounted/install [01:47] and then do /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start [01:47] you might need to mount your devices and whatelse too [01:50] is there anything interesting that you need to do when installing grub2? [01:51] bruce89: install the grub-pc I think, and it'll copy over your config etc [01:51] nothing else? [01:51] then you boot with grub2 and if it works, you run a command that deletes grub legacy [01:51] right, that's fine [01:52] I assume kernel upgrades are transparent [01:52] (when you install grub2, you'll have grub1 chainload grub2) [01:52] bruce89: yes, if you install the grub2 from the repos [01:52] good, (hopefully) will be bacl [01:52] bruce89: bear in mind the way of modifying the grub config is totally different [01:53] so if you want to, for example, put XP first in the list, you'll have to investigate a little [01:53] doesn't matter, I've only got Jaunty and Fedora, and I don't care about the order [01:54] do you have the "remote backup server (rsync)" thing on your "service configuration" window? [01:55] just disabled it, hope nothing bad happens [01:55] I think I'll install grub 2 too :D [01:56] grub 1 is slooooooow :p [02:02] well, I'm leaving [02:02] bye guys! [02:12] error 11 [02:12] although I managed to boot into Fedora [02:27] fixed [02:41] wow that update really broke something, something screwed up, kernel grub i dunno. === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [03:29] i'm still having trouble getting anything besides the 'pc speaker' to produce any sound on this 82801G in my hp mini... worked great in intrepid [03:29] all audio players act as if they are playing, and the mixers are all settable with alsamixer [03:29] i just don't get any sound [03:30] helo, did you install jaunty or upgrade from intrepid? [03:30] i upgraded from intrepid [03:30] i installed jaunty, and wasnt added to the audio group [03:30] hmmm [03:33] try killing pulseaudio and then: [03:33] aplay /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/dialog-question.wav [03:35] no errors, but no sound :/ [03:36] lsmod, see if you have snd_hda_intel there [03:37] i assume that is what the hp mini uses [03:37] yeah, it is there (and was what worked in intrepid) [03:38] does that aplay thing work with a sudo in front of it? [03:39] behaves exactly the same [03:39] bugger [03:39] pulseaudio keeps restarting itself though... [03:40] i assume you've upgraded to the latest packages? i think there was a bug in pulseaudio a few weeks ago [03:41] yeah, just did a full upgrade a few hours ago (and rebooted) [03:41] maybe i'll try it without X running [03:41] no pulse for sure then... heh [03:41] yeah, good idea [03:42] ok, i may be back in a bit... thanks for the suggestions [03:53] hmm... no luck [03:53] should there be a mute option on the PCM alsamixer meter? [03:54] there is not one... maybe it is forced muted? [03:54] not sure, there is a mute option on mine [03:54] hrm [03:54] if the aplay doesn't work with pulseaudio killed then i'd say it's a mixer issue [04:06] if i plug something into my headphone jack, it plays through my laptop's speaker... hmm [04:07] hrm... well it did for a minute... wth [04:07] now it is just popping and clicking [04:10] what determines whether an audio jack is output or input? [04:55] can anyone help me with a livecd customization issue? [04:56] I'm trying to remove packages to make the image smaller. I had a 720mb image so I used apt-get remove --purge gnome-games* ubiquity evolution* which freed up about 135mb, but now when I build the image it's 745 mb (actually 25mb BIGGER) ! Anyone have any idea why? === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo === rww_ is now known as rww [05:36] the keybind problem is back again... was fixed for like a couple of days :/ [05:36] alt-f1 always opens the panel menu, even if i tell it to open a terminal [05:42] I am finding contradicting information with google.... could someone please tell me what kind of support jaunty will have for GPT? [05:45] tech404: I don't use GPT with ubuntu my self, however I do have another system, and I can't remember how I did it, but GPT and grub (1) aren't completely incompatiable. Though like I said, I don't remember the voodo I did to get that working. I have no idea what Jaunty's position on it will be though, so I can't really give you a good answer. [05:55] WT-Udev: Thank you for your reply anyways. Maybe someone else will see my question in a bit. [05:56] Oh there is one thing I can tell you [05:56] Linux, at least recently, still hasn't supported > 15 partitions per disk [05:57] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+question/60466 [06:12] WT-Udev: I unpacked the jaunty kernel and the config file says its compiled to support it and the jaunty version of grub2 says it supports it. I guess thats enough to give it a try. Thanks again for getting back to me. [06:26] tech404: yes, grub 2 is supposed to support it; if you can get grub2 working [06:28] I've got it working with intrepid... it really takes its time drawing windows but it boots without fail for me. [06:28] Yeah, I remember 'drawing' using bios calls in my x86 assembly class. -massively- slow [06:29] WT-Udev: i was wondering if "network-manager' is gonna make a come back in jaunty? [06:29] Lounge: dunno, but it's already the default for network configuration on my laptop. It actually understands different wifi networks and types too [06:30] when i type 'sudo network-manager' it returns 'command not found' im i doing it wrong? [06:31] NetworkManager << case sensitive? [06:31] also, shouldn't you call it via [06:31] Network Manager is started via its initscript: sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start [06:31] /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start/stop/restart ? [06:32] Lounge: what issue are you actually having though? [06:32] tech404: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/Grub2ByDefault [06:32] GRUB2 will not be included on any CD images for jaunty, due to space considerations; it will only be available for installation to users who can download it from the network. [06:32] * grub2 is 1.3M+96K (.deb sizes). grub-common will be needed on the CDs anyway for jaunty to support XFS, but the grub-pc package probably won't fit. [06:32] well i just don't see "network" in the system-->administration anymore.. it made things so much easier for me [06:33] I use xubuntu, no clue where that is [06:33] not sure if it got deprecated [06:33] I do know you can configure it in xubuntu by right-clickign on the network icon in the tray [06:36] doesn't allow me to unlock it [06:37] yeah I was planning on installing grub2 from chroot after the install. [06:37] and so i'll need to know the terminal command to launch it with with root [06:39] Well, technically you can grab grub2 during install and it should present it as an option according to what I read, at least that's the idea. However even if not, chaning boot-loaders can be done in normal mode. [06:39] The change will only matter on next boot [06:40] Lounge: I don't remember the name but what you are trying to launch is not NetworkManager. It's some kind of front end. [06:41] Sorry that's not more help. [06:41] * WT-Udev searches for the package owning that init file, then for it's files [06:43] nm-applet [06:43] /usr/bin/nm-connection-editor [06:43] yeah the network managing get real complicated in intepred :( [06:44] I know, I liked a little simple text file [06:44] I can't even find a way of bashing changes in to it from shell mode [06:44] WT-Udev: thanks for finding it for me ^^ [06:46] i guess the upside for the new networking is that it works better with wireless [06:47] I'm off to tinker.... thanks for your help WT-Udev [06:47] quit [06:49] Lounge: there is a small downside [06:49] it only really does one connection at a time [06:52] WT-Udev: i have a 2nd nic card (eth1) hooked up to an older tower via crossover cable, but i'll need to give eth1 a static [06:52] Lounge: dunno if it will work [06:52] you might have to check out server style configurations [06:53] seems that without the other tower powered up, i can't really edit eth1 with nm [06:54] actaully i stand corrected, i can't edit it at all [06:54] gonna have to edit /etc/network/interfaces manually [07:08] ok added eth1 as static and address as 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.245, saved and restarted the network === Stralytic_ is now known as Stralytic [08:47] Where do I find the bugreport about poor intel performance in Jaunty? [08:50] launchpad [08:50] askand: yep found it [08:50] you're talking to yourself? [08:57] hi folks, i need some help: I'm planning to buy a new laptop with a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 video chipset. do you know wherther I can find drivers for it? === mvo__ is now known as mvo [09:00] you can always try a live cd, but if the card's been in existence for > 4-6 months, you should be fine [09:02] maco, I don't have it yet :), I'm planning to buy it [09:03] oh not in a store then, you mean? [09:03] well ati cards are supported in general [09:03] No. I want to buy it from an online shop [09:03] ati has drivers on their site, and ubuntu ships whatever ati has made available around release [09:04] the hardware driver manager thingy can download and install the ati drivers for you [09:04] so... should I risk and buy it? [09:05] iandan: you could check ati's site and see if that card is listed currently [09:05] if they have drivers for it for linux right now, then jaunty will very very likely support it [09:05] at worst, you use vesa and miss out on 3d acceleration til karmic [09:06] or until ati makes drivers available and you manually install them [09:07] I checked ATI support site and they support ATI Radeon 3000 series, but it says nothing for ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430 (or mobility 3000 series) [09:08] could possibly call during business hours and ask them what drivers to use for that card on linux [09:08] i doint know if they differentiate the mobility ones for drivers [09:09] I think they do because they have listed Radeon and Mobility Radeon [09:09] I'll try to call them, or something [09:11] thank you! [09:21] anyone else using dual monitors in jaunty with notify-osd enabled? [09:22] I want to see if anyone can reproduce the bug: #334226 [09:22] !bug 334226 [09:22] Launchpad bug 334226 in notify-osd "Dual monitor keeps notify on right most window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334226 [09:30] Hello. Has anyone had trouble with garbled fonts for KDE4 in Jaunty? GTK and KDE3 apps still display properly. Updating the font-cache doesn't seem to have helped. [09:58] for the last few days I've been unable to open JPG, PNG files from nautilus... all I get is the "opening file blah..." thing in the taskbar but the file never finishes loading and eye of gnome never comes up.... does anyone else have this problem? is it a known bug; if so what the LP bug num?? [10:03] mnemo: can you open them in eog from the cli? [10:04] nope, then it says "error while loading shared library libgnome-desktop-2.so.7" [10:04] no such file or dir [10:05] well there you go [10:05] eog cant run because of that error [10:05] id suggest searching for that library name [10:05] indeed, yeah I just did [10:05] nothing in LP it seems [10:05] and I assume it didnt repro on your machine? [10:08] libgnome-desktop-2-11 - Utility library for loading .desktop files - runtime files [10:08] mnemo: are you using mixed repositories? That is 9.04 and something else? [10:08] its jaunty [10:08] i got mediubuntu too, is that a problem? [10:08] the only thing I installed from there was skype [10:09] Not if you're using mediubuntu jaunty [10:09] try opening a terminal [10:09] yea I am [10:09] sudo apt-get update [10:09] sudo apt-get upgrade [10:09] yeah I did, i got the latest [10:09] i also rebooted [10:09] Just to make sure you haven't missed anything [10:09] i had this problem for 3-4 days now [10:10] with 2.25.91, i can launch eog [10:10] dpkg -l | grep libgnome-desktop says I got two versions installed [10:10] -2-11 and -2-7 [10:10] is that what you have as well? [10:11] wait no... the -2-7 has status (rc) at the left [10:12] that's 2.25.91 of eog [10:13] this is what I got: [10:13] http://pastebin.com/m6d1b34d1 [10:13] i wonder if the (rc) version of libgnome left some cruft in the config files or something? [10:14] maco: if you start eog under gdb and do "info sharedlibrary" inside it, which version of libgnome-desktop is your eog using?? [10:15] maco: actually, can you run "ldd `which eog` | grep desktop" ?? [10:15] no sharedlibraries loaded at this time [10:15] libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 => /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 (0xb7f3c000) [10:15] That's correct then [10:16] ahh, so your eog loads the proper libgnome-desktop then but mine decides to look for some old version? [10:16] this is what my ldd says: http://pastebin.com/m7200c103 [10:17] Actually... [10:17] --- libgnome-desktop-2-11 (>= 1:2.25.90) [10:17] that's what my package manager says [10:17] Your eog is static linking the wrong thing [10:17] Hum... [10:17] ls -l /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop* [10:18] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2009-02-18 08:06 /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11 -> libgnome-desktop-2.so.11.2.1 [10:18] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 160688 2009-02-17 05:34 /usr/lib/libgnome-desktop-2.so.11.2.1 [10:18] That's all I get on my system [10:18] You should get something very similar [10:19] i get: http://pastebin.com/m5d4c8120 [10:19] i also tried "sudo apt-get install --reinstall eog" now and it didnt solve it either [10:19] hi there i'm having some problems removing / making an initrd for the 2.6.27-11-server kernel whilst i'm upgraing [10:19] is this a known issue ? if so how should i fix it ? hold the package or ... [10:20] d-b: the bugs database would be much more helpful [10:20] !bug [10:20] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [10:21] WT-Udev: yes but i was wondering if some one hit it recently [10:21] and more importantly how should i fix it the best way === aguai1 is now known as aguai [10:21] the bug is actually related to changes in udev (i'm guessing) [10:22] bug 332270 [10:22] Launchpad bug 332270 in udev "udev repeatedly generates "change" events for the same block device(s)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332270 [10:22] Read that then [10:23] mnemo: sudo apt-get check [10:23] WT-Udev: that would be an issue if that as my default kernel i boot from. [10:23] thank you for the link ^^ [10:24] d-b: generally, upgrading you shouldn't re-make the kernel/initrd anyway, at least not until after it's already upgrading. [10:25] agreed [10:25] mmm odd i can only see a 2.6.27-11 in my repos but i know there is a 2.6.28 [10:30] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4 [10:30] update-manager -d [10:32] mnemo: any luck on the apt-get check? [10:33] did the latest update break sound for everyone? [10:33] WT-Udev: no, but I just found out what it was... for some weird reason I had a eog binary in /usr/local... I must have accidentally ran make install with that prefix while testing some patch.. [10:33] WT-Udev: thanks for the help though, it works now [10:34] Geeze [10:34] that's annoying [10:35] how do i reload alsa? [10:35] oh that's annoying, ubuntu doesn't have an init level alsa service.... [10:36] I lost all my sound devices [10:36] It's got pulseaudio, but no alsa [10:37] now in sound control i only have null output(pulseaudio mixer) [10:37] WT-Udev, any idea? [10:37] TuTUXG: I told mplayer to use Alsa when that happend. [10:37] I had bigger issues (udev) to worry about at the time. [10:38] hum... [10:39] TuTUXG, i think the latest update did this to everyone [10:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6796718#post6796718 [10:40] yeah my audio certain is broken [10:40] DPic, sweet [10:40] WT-Udev: sudo alsa force-reload [10:40] maco, didn't work [10:41] that's how you force it to reload the modules and junk [10:41] that's all i was answering [10:41] o, sorry [10:41] Oh that's -nice- [10:41] Thanks maco [10:41] DPic, any work around? [10:42] TuTUXG, don't think so. looks like we'll all just have to wait for a fix to be released [10:42] aha [10:42] so now im force to work [10:43] hi WT-Udev what was that link / [10:43] TuTUXG, haha me too [10:43] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4 [10:43] update-manager -d [10:44] An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'intrepid' is not supported with this tool. [10:44] rofl. [10:45] d-b-ubuntu: what are you trying to upgrade from? [10:45] WT-Udev: nar i'm on jaunty now... which is the funny part. [10:45] well i should be ... meh WT-Udev what was that link i'm trying to fix my issue. so i can finish the upgrade [10:46] d-b-ubuntu: lsb_release -r [10:46] nm got it [10:46] sb_release -r [10:46] Release: 9.04 [10:47] Hum... you're already upgraded [10:47] odd [10:48] WT-Udev: mmm yeah but i'm still stuck at the initrd problem :( [10:48] d-b-ubuntu: have you tried sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade? [10:48] WT-Udev: .... yeah of course [10:48] i did that before now the initrd is being stupid. [10:48] i don't want a 2.6.27 kernel ... [10:49] sudo update-initramfs -c -k `uname -r` [10:49] Oh, replace the `` section with 'all' [10:49] WT-Udev: i know [10:49] Yes, any errors resulting from that? [10:49] ah ? [10:49] update-initramfs -c -k all [10:49] any errors? [10:49] done that already [10:50]