| calc | jono: may be related to the cairo library change | 00:11 |
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| jono | calc, are you aware of the bug? | 00:11 |
| calc | jono: if you don't have your system set to subpixel hinting does it look properly? | 00:12 |
| calc | jono: i am aware of a bug with hinting with subpixel yes, cairo made a backwards incompatible change that has made OOo look a bit odd when font hinting is set to subpixel | 00:12 |
| calc | jono: i'm not certain if it is the same bug you are seeing though | 00:13 |
| jono | calc, yeah it looks better when I am not using subpixel smoothing | 00:14 |
| jono | calc, is there a fix for this? | 00:14 |
| calc | fonts look fine (i think) to me with subpixel full hinting, so i am not sure which subpixel mode is messed up with the new cairo | 00:14 |
| calc | jono: not that i know of :( | 00:14 |
| jono | oh that sucks | 00:14 |
| calc | i think i asked about a fix for this before, but i will email the developer list again to see if anyone has fixed it independently (eg in suse private branch or fedora) | 00:15 |
| jono | cool :) | 00:15 |
| calc | sometimes fixes are hidden unintentionally, heh | 00:15 |
| jono | haha | 00:16 |
| jono | indeed :) | 00:16 |
| jono | calc, does this build have the funky new anti aliasing in it, or is that 3.1? | 00:16 |
| calc | new anti aliasing? i'm not sure i know what you are talking about :) | 00:17 |
| calc | the builds for a while now (i think intrepid too) have had cairo support for anti aliasing which was broken with cairo 1.7.5 (iirc) | 00:17 |
| jono | calc, shapes in OOo are going to be anti aliased | 00:17 |
| calc | ah ok, probably in 3.1 if you read about recently, 3.1 is due out at the end of march if it makes it on time | 00:18 |
| jono | I think it wasnt turned on by default | 00:18 |
| jono | cool | 00:18 |
| calc | 3.1 won't be in official ubuntu until 9.10 but i should have some ppa debs shortly after release | 00:18 |
| calc | so it looks like i never asked on the developer list and just filed a bug about the cairo incompat issue, so perhaps emailing the developer list will help spur someone who knows more about it get it fixed quickly | 00:19 |
| jono | calc, cool :) | 00:22 |
| calc | jono: thanks for reminding me about this bug i think i know which patch adds support for it, so i can more easily search for if there are updates :) | 00:23 |
| * jono high fives calc :) | 00:23 | |
| calc | the patch i found that took from redhat originally for this to work at all apparently was integrated with OOo 3.0, so not sure what is going on | 00:25 |
| calc | but i know who to ask :) | 00:25 |
| calc | and the patch was later removed, hmm, ok emailing list | 00:27 |
| calc | the patch in ooo-build that is | 00:27 |
| calc | jono: maybe we will get lucky and have a fix for it for alpha 6 :) | 00:30 |
| jono | calc, that would be kick ass :) | 00:31 |
| calc | jono: caolan the redhat OOo guy seems to know quite a bit about gnome programming so may be able to fix it if he doesn't already have a patch for it | 00:31 |
| jono | :) | 00:31 |
| calc | jono: did you get my email a while back about fodt? | 00:33 |
| jono | odt? | 00:33 |
| jono | fodt? | 00:33 |
| calc | fodt == flat odt (one big uncompressed odt file) | 00:33 |
| jono | hmmm I don't think so | 00:34 |
| calc | ah ok | 00:34 |
| calc | well fodt might be useful for you for revision control since its just a single large uncompressed xml file | 00:34 |
| calc | a patch went in about a month ago that fixed the formatting of the file to have line breaks which made it actually usable in rcs situations :) | 00:35 |
| jono | oh nice :) | 00:35 |
| calc | jono: if you run into any problems with it be sure to file bugs :) its a feature added by novell so we can probably get fixes fairly quickly | 00:36 |
| jono | sounds great | 00:37 |
| jono | thanks dude :) | 00:37 |
| calc | np :) | 00:37 |
| maxb | Where is the best channel to ask for help debugging DBus? | 01:00 |
| calc | maxb: probably either here or a channel on irc.gnome.org | 01:01 |
| calc | maxb: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels | 01:01 |
| andreasn | maxb, try #gnome-hackers on irc.gnome.org | 01:09 |
| maxb | thanks | 01:10 |
| calc | is the evolution indicator supposed to pop up its window plus the regular top right black indicator? | 01:47 |
| * calc thinks there is a bug somewhere | 01:48 | |
| andreasn | MacSlow, ping | 01:49 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, pong | 01:50 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, dude ... should you not be sleeping at this late hour | 01:50 |
| andreasn | saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines | 01:50 |
| andreasn | ... and are located under /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/status. Until symlinks or updated icons for other icon-themes are installed using these without the icon-theme being set to Human will fail to display the intended icon. You can still of course use full file paths to .svg/.png/.jpg icons. The afore listed sourcecode-examples show the use of icons. | 01:50 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, yeah ... I'm still writing content for that | 01:50 |
| andreasn | shouldn't it be saner to install it into notification things private hicolor? | 01:51 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, I assume kwwii contacted you regarding this | 01:51 |
| andreasn | we spoke a bit about it on irc earlier today | 01:51 |
| andreasn | but he was about to fly away | 01:51 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, I have no real opinion on that topic... I trust you art/Tango folks to know the best solution for this | 01:52 |
| andreasn | it's what apps usually do with the icons they install | 01:52 |
| andreasn | http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppSpecificIcons/ | 01:52 |
| andreasn | rhytmbox, power-manager, evince, evolution etc, | 01:52 |
| andreasn | and since hicolor is the lowest common detonator, it will work across whatever icon theme you select | 01:53 |
| andreasn | including HighContrast n stuff | 01:53 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, ehm... *tilt* | 01:53 |
| MacSlow | I'm not the one doing the packaging anyway, so :) | 01:54 |
| MacSlow | andreasn, I'm doing Python and C# atm ... I'm a bit "bleeding" ;) | 01:55 |
| andreasn | who does? | 01:55 |
| MacSlow | I'll raise the issue with kwwii tomorrow | 01:55 |
| MacSlow | kwwii does it afaik | 01:55 |
| andreasn | oh, I think he already knows that then | 01:55 |
| andreasn | as lapo and dobey also bugged him about it on irc :) | 01:55 |
| andreasn | that's all we do you know :) | 01:55 |
| MacSlow | :) | 01:56 |
| andreasn | how have the feedback been so far? | 01:56 |
| andreasn | from The Internet | 01:57 |
| MacSlow | mostly positive | 01:57 |
| MacSlow | negative feedback was mostly due to people not reading anything (or not the full monty) | 01:57 |
| andreasn | haha | 01:57 |
| MacSlow | everybody had no clue that sofar every app was using libnotify not according to the spec | 01:58 |
| MacSlow | not really testing for supported caps of the daemon | 01:58 |
| MacSlow | people were very fast with pointing fingers at us :) | 01:58 |
| Hammerhead | Hi all, | 05:55 |
| Hammerhead | having an issue installing desktop on a machine with a RAID controller in it. | 05:55 |
| Hammerhead | error #5 at 52% of install | 05:56 |
| Hammerhead | 3ware 8600 | 05:56 |
| Hammerhead | Ubuntu see's all the partitions starts the copying process then stops at 52% | 05:57 |
| Hammerhead | any help would be greatly appreciated. | 05:57 |
| Hammerhead | I have googled and read the fourms | 05:57 |
| Hammerhead | i tried the few hints that were out there.......running the install command as root...etc | 05:58 |
| Hammerhead | to no avail | 05:58 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:20 |
| didrocks | morning pitti o/ | 07:57 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu? | 07:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: gut | 08:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: sorry, my German is very poor | 08:00 |
| didrocks | I always tells this to dholbach. 6 years of German for... nothing :/ | 08:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: and you, how do you do? ;) | 08:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: "gut" was correct :) | 08:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: mir geht es gut, danke! | 08:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: es ist schwierig, mit einem Wort zu täuschen :) | 08:03 |
| pitti | hehe | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 :) | 08:34 |
| seb128 | hello didrocks | 08:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: nautilus-sendto is ready (bug #334067). Even if I didn't understand the "Add an evolution plugin to allow sending arbitrary attachments through nautilus-sendto". I see a new entry in evolution plugins configuration, but nothing evident appears | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334067 in nautilus-sendto "Please, sponsor nautilus-sendto 1.1.2 to jaunty" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334067 | 08:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: and don't forget gnome-python (bug #327933) when you will have time | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 327933 in gnome-python "Please, sponsor gnome-python 2.25.90 to jaunty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327933 | 08:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks: right | 08:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: FYI, I created a new bzr branch for nautilus-sendto, as there was only the init commit in the previous one almost 2 years ago. You can push it to the same location with --overwrite | 08:37 |
| didrocks | mvo__: thanks for the upload :) | 08:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks: ok | 08:37 |
| mvo__ | cheers didrocks | 08:37 |
| seb128 | hello slomo_, thanks for the glib changes | 08:40 |
| seb128 | slomo_: did you read my gstreamer question yesterday? | 08:40 |
| slomo_ | seb128: yes, i'll do that in the next days | 08:41 |
| seb128 | slomo_: thanks | 08:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks: no sponsoring today due to the freeze which is in effect | 08:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: as mvo__ sponsored libgtop yesterday, I thought that you can dput the .changes and as we are in Freeze for next alpha, it will just be queued for building until the alpha is realeased | 08:43 |
| didrocks | released* | 08:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks: no, that's a soft freeze for alphas, uploads are not blocked we just need to be civilized | 08:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks: yesterday was fine for uploads but better to not do changes today while they try to build cds | 08:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: of course. I thought it was more automatized, but civic rules are right too :) | 08:44 |
| didrocks | s/right/good | 08:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks: not sure why you would consider blocking uploads as a better technical solution, that would add extra work for people reviewing those items and mean you couldn't get universe fixes, etc in while the CD are being built | 08:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: I didn't say it was good, civic bahvior is always better. I just thought that because libgtop has been built (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=libgtop&build_state=built) but is no published yet: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgtop | 08:49 |
| didrocks | (and so, the associated bug is not closed) | 08:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you want to look to libgtop2 source? | 08:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: Not really, I was just wondering why the bug was not closed and so, checked if it was built and published | 08:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks: did you open it on the correct source? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | ie libgtop against libgtop2 component in launchpad | 08:52 |
| didrocks | hum, you're right, I opened it against libgtop :/ | 08:52 |
| didrocks | sorry... | 08:52 |
| didrocks | Ok, I reattribute it and push it manually fixed released | 08:53 |
| didrocks | ok, no black magic though... my bad :/ | 08:53 |
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| crevette | hello gents | 09:00 |
| didrocks | lut crevette | 09:01 |
| crevette | hey didrocks | 09:01 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 09:02 |
| crevette | good morning seb128 | 09:03 |
| davmor2 | Guys quick query I got the new gdm theme but I've not got the new backdrop that popey displayed yesterday should it be in on the alpha 5 release candidates or not? | 09:39 |
| pitti | davmor2: gdm backdrop? | 09:43 |
| davmor2 | pitti: 2 ticks | 09:44 |
| pitti | davmor2: I'm not aware of anything pending which needs to land, so in theory it should be all in | 09:44 |
| pitti | davmor2: "2 ticks"? | 09:46 |
| davmor2 | pitti: I have this http://popey.com/~alan/screenshot.png but not this http://popey.com/~alan/background.png | 09:47 |
| pitti | davmor2: oh, you mean the background should be for the GNOME session, not gdm itself? | 09:48 |
| davmor2 | pitti: I still got intrepids background | 09:48 |
| pitti | since gdm itself does have that picture | 09:48 |
| pitti | right | 09:48 |
| pitti | that's still on the TODO list | 09:48 |
| * pitti asks kwwii | 09:49 | |
| davmor2 | pitti: Okay cool I just wondered as login theme was in but the desktop background wasn't :) | 09:49 |
| === mt is now known as mat_t | ||
| pitti | mvo, seb128: do you think that https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/331564/comments/5 (the FAQ) has sufficient information to do the change, or do we need more info from Mirco? | 10:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331564 in compiz "sometimes notification flickers when fading in" [High,New] | 10:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: would be a question for mvo_ | 10:14 |
| seb128 | I think they discussed it with MacSlow a week ago or so | 10:14 |
| mvo_ | which one? | 10:16 |
| pitti | mvo_: the compiz default settings changes for notifications, see above bug comment | 10:20 |
| seb128 | mvo_: <pitti> mvo, seb128: do you think that https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/331564/comments/5 (the FAQ) has sufficient information to do the change, or do we need more info from Mirco? | 10:20 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/331564/+text) | 10:20 |
| === aguai1 is now known as aguai | ||
| mvo_ | interessting, I have not seen this one since hte compiz update, let me try with a new iuser | 10:23 |
| pitti | neither have I, but David says it's still an issue we need to fix | 10:24 |
| mvo_ | hm, the faq entry looks a bit odd, I will talk to macslow when he is back | 10:28 |
| pitti | mvo_: ok, thanks | 10:28 |
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| Ng | are notify-osd bubbles supposed to appear over the top panel, or below it? | 10:49 |
| seb128 | Ng: below | 10:56 |
| seb128 | Ng: bug #332094 | 10:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 332094 in notify-osd "Jaunty: notifications overlap top panel " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332094 | 10:56 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| Ng | seb128: ta | 10:57 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 10:57 |
| === mpt__ is now known as mpt | ||
| sabdfl | hey desktop lovers | 11:57 |
| seb128 | hello sabdfl | 11:58 |
| sabdfl | thanks for joining the call last night seb | 11:58 |
| seb128 | np, I was interested in the discussion and I think that was productive ;-) | 11:59 |
| geser | is there a way to configure the look of the new notifications? It's easy to miss dark notifications on a dark desktop or on top of an maximized terminal | 12:14 |
| seb128 | MacSlow: can you reply to geser's question? | 12:21 |
| MacSlow | geser, no you can | 12:22 |
| MacSlow | geser, they are not themable (color-wise) | 12:22 |
| MacSlow | geser, well you can always patch it yourself... but it's not meant to be at runtime | 12:23 |
| geser | MacSlow: is it worth to open a wishlist bug for it? | 12:24 |
| MacSlow | geser, sure | 12:24 |
| mvo__ | MacSlow: hi, do you know more about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/331564 ? | 12:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331564 in compiz "sometimes notification flickers when fading in" [High,New] | 12:49 |
| MacSlow | mvo__, no ... atm I don't ... and David did a confusion answer related to that stating metacity (although he very likely meant compiz ... metacity does not have any plugins one could configure) | 13:16 |
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| mvo__ | MacSlow: yeah, I was confused by this as well :) | 13:34 |
| MacSlow | mvo__, atm I can't chase those as I'm far behind with the implementation for UIF | 13:45 |
| mvo__ | uif? | 13:47 |
| === mvo__ is now known as mvo | ||
| seb128 | mvo: user interface freeze | 13:57 |
| mvo | aha | 13:57 |
| mvo | thanks seb128 | 13:57 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 13:58 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| hggdh | seb128, ping | 14:19 |
| seb128 | hggdh: hi | 14:19 |
| hggdh | hi, seb128. Can you please have a look at the package I proposed for libpst? dholbach has looked at it, and asked for you to give it a spin. | 14:20 |
| hggdh | seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpst/+bug/317602 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 317602 in libpst "Please upgrade libpst from upstream at www.five-ten-sg.com/libpst" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:20 |
| seb128 | hggdh: asked where and when? | 14:20 |
| hggdh | seb128, this morning. I have added in the changes he proposed, but would like to know if you have more | 14:21 |
| seb128 | hggdh: do you have an updated version with the changes? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | hggdh: he didn't subscribe me to the bug so good that you ping on IRC ;-) | 14:21 |
| hggdh | seb128, no, not yet. You want me to submit it, then you would look? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:22 |
| hggdh | OK, will do | 14:22 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:23 |
| seb128 | sorry it's taking a while for the review rounds, etc, everybody is busy | 14:23 |
| seb128 | same for evolution-mapi I'm wondering what's going on there | 14:23 |
| seb128 | james_w: hey ;-) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | james_w: somebody told me you were reviewing this one do you know what's going on? | 14:24 |
| hggdh | I think we still have some problems on e-mapi... | 14:24 |
| james_w | seb128: evolution-mapi? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | james_w: yes | 14:24 |
| james_w | http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/evolution-mapi | 14:25 |
| james_w | package isn't too bad, but needs updating | 14:25 |
| seb128 | oh you guys are still using review for comments | 14:25 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:26 |
| seb128 | is there any motu who could work on getting this package uploaded? | 14:26 |
| seb128 | I was trying to avoid adding that to my todolist, too much to do already | 14:26 |
| seb128 | but we need that in jaunty and we are past feature freeze, things are not moving quickly | 14:27 |
| hggdh | seb128, latest libpst is published on https://launchpad.net/~hggdh2/+archive/ppa | 14:35 |
| seb128 | hggdh: oh you have an ical fix there? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | hggdh: e-d-s ical fix I mean rather | 14:37 |
| seb128 | hggdh: does it fix bug #334347 or bug #331428 ? | 14:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334347 in libical "evolution crashed opening Edit->Preferences" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334347 | 14:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331428 in libical "Jaunty - Evolution crash when I right click on a calendar entry." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331428 | 14:37 |
| hggdh | seb128, let me see | 14:39 |
| * kenvandine[work] is wondering why installing skype has completely broken sound | 14:42 | |
| * kenvandine[work] reboots | 14:45 | |
| seb128 | hggdh: not sure why you have makefiles in the debian directory? | 14:49 |
| seb128 | hggdh: otherwise looks good to me | 14:54 |
| hggdh | seb128, neither am I... I probably did not notice it when I cleaned up the upstream Makefile.am | 14:54 |
| hggdh | seb128, I will look at it | 14:54 |
| seb128 | the rules seems a bit complicated | 14:55 |
| seb128 | why do you run autotools at build time? | 14:55 |
| hggdh | because upstream did a basic (and wrong) debianisation, and Makefile.am was creating a lot of cruft for debian | 14:56 |
| hggdh | so I had to delete the original ./debian (and add in a get-orig-source), and patch Makefile.am/configure.in | 14:56 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:57 |
| seb128 | can you get upstream to fix that? ;-) | 14:57 |
| hggdh | believe me, this was *not* a package for a first-time packager :-( | 14:57 |
| hggdh | I contacted them, and got a response like "well, we expect you to adjust it as needed". I was thinking of proposing back to them the finished debdiff | 14:58 |
| kenvandine[work] | pitti: is your hal bug the reason why i have not audio devices suddenly? | 14:59 |
| kenvandine[work] | s/not/no | 14:59 |
| pitti | kenvandine[work]: yes (and sluggish graphics, and no camera/scanner access, etc.) | 14:59 |
| kenvandine[work] | hahaha | 14:59 |
| kenvandine[work] | ok | 14:59 |
| pitti | well, in my defence, I didn't break it :) | 15:00 |
| kenvandine[work] | i was blaming skype for screwing up my mixer levels or something | 15:00 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: is our call now or in an hour? | 15:00 |
| kenvandine[work] | it like broke right after i installed that proprietary crap :) | 15:00 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: yes. Still available? | 15:01 |
| pitti | itz all skype's fault!!!!11!! | 15:01 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: yes, done with firefighting; I need to hurry up the hal build, then I'm done | 15:01 |
| kenvandine[work] | :) | 15:01 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: | 15:01 |
| rickspencer3 | sounds good | 15:01 |
| pitti | done | 15:02 |
| seb128 | hggdh: right, the package is mostly good now though the autotools run is not optimal, we tend to have a patch to do that and have a simple rules | 15:03 |
| seb128 | hggdh: I will not ask you to redo it though, your way works too | 15:03 |
| hggdh | seb128, I did not know how to get it done in a complete way, guaranteeing that the resulting package could be built from source | 15:04 |
| seb128 | hggdh: what do you mean? | 15:05 |
| hggdh | if I changed Makefile.in, this would not survive a autoreconf | 15:05 |
| hggdh | well, I guess I could change Makefile.in and Makefile.am both. Would this be the patch you are referring to? | 15:07 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: (I'm ready, btw) | 15:07 |
| kenvandine[work] | pitti: how long before i see the hal update available? | 15:09 |
| pitti | kenvandine[work]: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/0.5.12~rc1+git20090204-0ubuntu3 | 15:10 |
| pitti | kenvandine[work]: I bumped up the build score, but buildds are still fairly clogged; should build within the hour, and be on archive.u.c. in two | 15:10 |
| kenvandine[work] | ah | 15:10 |
| kenvandine[work] | ok | 15:11 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| asac | mvo: anything to test on compiz startup time yet? | 15:29 |
| mvo | asac: yes, could you please disable all plugins (in ccsm) but decoration and start compiz and give me the timings on the commandline | 15:30 |
| asac | mvo: err. i think we need more. a) i have hardy on that system ;) | 15:30 |
| asac | b) ... i dont know :) | 15:31 |
| mvo | asac: this is just for a baseline test (to see what overhaead the plugins have) | 15:31 |
| mvo | ccsm should already be installed | 15:31 |
| davmor2 | Guys out of interest with the fusa and mail/coms envelope will you be switching off the pidgin applet ? | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | By the way you can't read the session type on the new login page | 15:58 |
| dashua | mvo_: Not sure if this is feasible in Jaunty, but I just submitted a report bug #344426 | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 344426 could not be found | 16:11 |
| dashua | bug # 334426 | 16:11 |
| dashua | bug #334426 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 334426 in libcompizconfig "Add protobuf depencies for faster start up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334426 | 16:12 |
| mvo_ | dashua: fast sound *good* | 16:14 |
| mvo_ | dashua: I check it out, did you do some profiling how much it helps the startup speed? | 16:15 |
| dashua | No, I just notice a difference. | 16:15 |
| dashua | No tests done, yet. | 16:16 |
| davmor2 | does this team deal with ubuntu-gdm-theme or is it better on #ubuntu-devel | 16:16 |
| mvo_ | dashua: thanks, I plan to do something about the speed, so this is very welcome | 16:33 |
| dashua | mvo_: Np, works well as far as I can see. It's enabled by default as long as the dependencies are there. | 16:33 |
| mvo_ | dashua: on head or on 0.8 as well? we only have the later | 16:34 |
| dashua | mvo_: It's post 0.7.8, on libcompizconfig master now | 16:37 |
| dashua | Hopefully, they will do a plugins release soon and it will be there. | 16:40 |
| dashua | Not sure how they're going about it. | 16:40 |
| mvo_ | dashua: aha, cool. thanks for this info. I think I will prepare snapshots in the compiz ppa and check it out | 16:42 |
| dashua | Maybe grab a snapshot of libcompizconfig, compizconfig-pyhon, and ccsm | 16:42 |
| dashua | Maybe that'll work | 16:42 |
| dashua | Ah cool | 16:42 |
| dashua | python* | 16:42 |
| dashua | mvo_: Ah, you already snapped extras and main. I didn't see that. | 16:47 |
| mvo_ | dashua: yeah, the new wall move looks so nice :) and 0.8 should be around the corner | 16:49 |
| dashua | Yeah, that is awesome. | 16:50 |
| mvo_ | didrocks: I looked at the nautilus-sendto merge but it seems it does not merge into hte ~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus-sendto/ubuntu branch. maybe seb128 knows about it (he pushed the initial version it seems) | 16:54 |
| didrocks | mvo_: exactly, let me a minute to quote what I told to seb128 | 16:55 |
| didrocks | mvo_: [09:37] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, I created a new bzr branch for nautilus-sendto, as there was only the init commit in the previous one almost 2 years ago. You can push it to the same location with --overwrite | 16:56 |
| didrocks | from what I understood and experienced, --overwrite just remove all data in the branch history and push new ones | 16:57 |
| mvo_ | didrocks: ok, if seb is fine with that, I will do that :) | 16:57 |
| didrocks | mvo_: oh, btw, if you find what corresponds to "add evolution plugin...": I only see a new plugin in evolution with a checkbox to activate/deactivate it, but don't find what it is used for :) | 16:58 |
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| === aguai2 is now known as aguai | ||
| sabdfl | hey guys, are you using the tag "notifications" for any bugs related to the new notify-osd work? | 17:16 |
| mpt | mvo_, do you have time for a call now (or sometime today) about update-manager? | 17:24 |
| mvo_ | mpt: either in ~1h or tomorrow morning, does that work for you? | 17:25 |
| mvo_ | (dinner time now) | 17:25 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: Riddell: asac: ^^^^^^ | 17:25 |
| Riddell | I'm not, easily enough could start doing so | 17:26 |
| mpt | mvo_, ok, what time do you start tomorrow morning? | 17:27 |
| mvo_ | mpt: 9:00 my time (so 8:00 yours) | 17:28 |
| mvo_ | mpt: I have nothing scheduled in the morning, so anytime that is good for you works for me | 17:28 |
| mpt | mvo_, ok, I'll call you 10:00 your time, thanks! | 17:28 |
| mvo_ | mpt: thanks | 17:30 |
| pitti | rickspencer3, sabdfl: ah, so that's the tag, not dxteam? good, will use it from now | 17:36 |
| davidbarth | pitti: see the wiki page describing the tags in general | 17:37 |
| davidbarth | pitti: use notifications in every case, but please keep on using 'dxteam' when u expect us to actually work on the fix | 17:37 |
| Laney | Does the new update-manager behaviour take dist-upgrading with apt(itude) into account when deciding when to launch? | 17:41 |
| pitti | davidbarth: hm, shouldn't we use assignments for that? but well, works for me | 17:42 |
| Laney | also I find the new reboot dialog to be suboptimal - I seem to just stumble upon the dialog when doing other things rather than seeing it during the upgrade process | 17:43 |
| Laney | maybe this is a side-effect of my using docky though | 17:46 |
| james_w | is anyone else experiencing notify-osd "hanging" and not showing notifications? | 17:54 |
| james_w | I feel it might be related to showing dialogs, but I'm not sure | 17:54 |
| jcastro | mine "hangs" when I do the volume or brightness adjustments too quickly, as if there's a lag | 17:55 |
| jcastro | and then they eventually catch up | 17:55 |
| Laney | Hmm | 18:03 |
| Laney | can someone run "for i in $(seq 1 10); do notify-send $i; done" from a shell | 18:03 |
| Laney | see if you get them all appear | 18:04 |
| james_w | I didn't get 3 | 18:06 |
| Laney | If I just do it with seq 1 3 then I don't get 2 | 18:06 |
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| Laney | wow, how odd | 18:18 |
| Laney | the missing notification does appear if I change workspace | 18:18 |
| kenvandine[work] | yay... i have sound again | 18:20 |
| pitti | kenvandine[work]: \o/ | 18:23 |
| mvo_ | didrocks: so seb128 is fine with --override? (just to confirm before I run it) | 18:26 |
| * kenvandine[work] is a bit afraid to try skype again ... :) | 18:28 | |
| rickspencer3 | asac: ArneGoetje: bryce: calc: kenvandine[work]: pitti: regarding sabdfl's question ... | 18:28 |
| rickspencer3 | heno will send us detailed instructions regarding how to tag the bugs so that when we see them, we can quickly tag them | 18:29 |
| rickspencer3 | (just fyi) | 18:29 |
| kenvandine[work] | rickspencer3: which question? | 18:30 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine[work]: are we tagging bugs with "notifications" properly | 18:30 |
| kenvandine[work] | oh... | 18:30 |
| kenvandine[work] | ok | 18:31 |
| sabdfl | "notifications" means "this has something to do with the new notifications subsystem" | 18:31 |
| sabdfl | and "dxteam" means "the dx team will work on fixing it asap!" | 18:31 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine[work]: you're probably more dialed into this than the rest of us, but we need to get dialed in | 18:31 |
| kenvandine[work] | ok | 18:31 |
| * kenvandine[work] has been looking over those today :) | 18:31 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ok, thanks | 18:32 |
| * pitti -> Taekwondo, cu tomorrow! | 18:32 | |
| kenvandine[work] | later pitti | 18:32 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: thanks for all your help today! | 18:32 |
| calc | ah ok :) | 18:33 |
| calc | that reminds me i need to ask seb128 if evolution is supposed to be popping up a separate notification window now | 18:34 |
| calc | its been doing that on my system since the new notification system appeared (i think) | 18:34 |
| kenvandine[work] | calc: yeah... we are working on that | 18:35 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: do the windows have buttons on them? Are they notifications with actions, in other words? | 18:35 |
| kenvandine[work] | i have a patch | 18:35 |
| kenvandine[work] | calc: you mean in the notification area, right? | 18:35 |
| calc | ah its bug 331571 i think | 18:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331571 in evolution "disable Mail Notification eplugin by default" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331571 | 18:36 |
| kenvandine[work] | yeah | 18:36 |
| kenvandine[work] | i think we have agreed on the fix now | 18:36 |
| calc | rickspencer3: real windows with buttons in the middle of my screen | 18:36 |
| rickspencer3 | see, this is exactly what the tag is for | 18:36 |
| rickspencer3 | just go here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=notifications | 18:36 |
| kenvandine[work] | calc: oh... | 18:36 |
| rickspencer3 | if it's not on the list, it should be, and you can add it to the list by tagging it | 18:37 |
| calc | rickspencer3: ok | 18:37 |
| kenvandine[work] | rickspencer3: i am going to add jaunty-uif tags for bugs that need to be done before UIF | 18:37 |
| rickspencer3 | I think it may actually be this one Bug #328596 | 18:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 328596 in evolution "evolution shouldn't use notifications with actions" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328596 | 18:37 |
| rickspencer3 | which is on the list | 18:38 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine[work]: thanks. if we can be proactive about helping the dx team to manage UIF and UIFEs, that would be, uh, helpful | 18:38 |
| calc | oh it might be, not completely certain | 18:38 |
| calc | the window it pops up looks like a regular gtk window with a button telling me that i have new mail | 18:38 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: I'm pretty certain that's the bug | 18:39 |
| calc | 328596 refers to a bubble though? | 18:39 |
| calc | this is a full window managed window | 18:39 |
| calc | if i can get it to happen again i can take a screenshot of it | 18:39 |
| kenvandine[work] | calc: please do | 18:40 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: notify-osd turns notifications with actions into gtk windows | 18:40 |
| calc | ah ok | 18:40 |
| rickspencer3 | that's why there shouldn't be an action | 18:40 |
| kenvandine[work] | i bet that is what it is | 18:40 |
| kenvandine[work] | not sure why you are seeing that though | 18:40 |
| rickspencer3 | in this way, no program will fail | 18:40 |
| calc | ok | 18:40 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine[work]: was there a plugin or something that calc should enable? | 18:41 |
| calc | fwiw i'm using metacity but do generally get the other black upper right notifications | 18:41 |
| kenvandine[work] | rickspencer3: no | 18:41 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: yeah, that means the system is working | 18:41 |
| * kenvandine[work] looks at something | 18:41 | |
| rickspencer3 | calc: does OOo offer any notifications? | 18:41 |
| calc | rickspencer3: not afaik | 18:42 |
| rickspencer3 | k | 18:42 |
| kenvandine[work] | calc: ah... | 18:43 |
| kenvandine[work] | yeah... my patch will fix that | 18:43 |
| calc | kenvandine[work]: great :) | 18:43 |
| kenvandine[work] | if you have the mail notification plugin enabled and a few things checked under it... you get this | 18:44 |
| kenvandine[work] | go to the plugins and look at the options | 18:44 |
| kenvandine[work] | uncheck the icon stuff | 18:44 |
| kenvandine[work] | which is what my patch does by default | 18:44 |
| kenvandine[work] | uncheck "Show icon in notification area" | 18:45 |
| calc | rickspencer3: we might want to mention helping out with the alsainfo thing on the ubuntu wiki at our next meeting, aiui that is to help with PA/ALSA for karmic (?) | 18:45 |
| calc | kenvandine[work]: ok | 18:45 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: please add it to the agenda for the next team meeting | 18:46 |
| calc | rickspencer3: ok | 18:46 |
| calc | kenvandine[work]: so just turn off the master checkbox and it will work? | 18:47 |
| calc | kenvandine[work]: the one that has two checkboxes underneath it | 18:47 |
| kenvandine[work] | yes | 18:47 |
| calc | ok, thanks | 18:47 |
| kenvandine[work] | which is exactly what my patch does | 18:47 |
| * kenvandine[work] is ordering his new laptop... T400 :) | 18:48 | |
| calc | kenvandine[work]: thinkpads are cool :) i got a x200 | 18:49 |
| calc | it was between a x200 and t400 for me, i wish the x300 was cheaper since it would have been perfect | 18:50 |
| calc | i bought the cheapest hd (160gb) and replaced it with a 500gb 7200rpm drive | 18:50 |
| kenvandine[work] | tedg: anything meaningful here? http://dpaste.com/1485/ | 19:09 |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: Is it in the state with no Pidgin after that? | 19:10 |
| kenvandine[work] | tedg: yes | 19:13 |
| kenvandine[work] | i have a message... the icon is blinking | 19:13 |
| kenvandine[work] | but nothing showing in the indicator | 19:13 |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: Hmm, okay. That's definitely a bug in the indicator. Message is on the bus, but somehow it lost it. | 19:14 |
| kenvandine[work] | ok, what info can i provide on the bug? | 19:16 |
| kenvandine[work] | tedg: interesting thing to note... i can send a message to it from my other account/box and it still shows up in the indicator | 19:17 |
| kenvandine[work] | so it is like one message got dropped or something | 19:17 |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: Hmm, could you post the log of both? I wonder if they got the same ID or something. | 19:18 |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: IE the full listen-and-print log. | 19:18 |
| kenvandine[work] | yeah | 19:18 |
| kenvandine[work] | tedg: the next line (after sending another message) looks like this | 19:19 |
| kenvandine[work] | ** (process:4132): DEBUG: Indicator Added: :1.29 2 message | 19:19 |
| kenvandine[work] | so 2 messages | 19:19 |
| kenvandine[work] | went from 0 to 2 | 19:19 |
| * kenvandine[work] adds to bug | 19:20 | |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: I'll look at it, but he other thing that'd be useful is the debug messages from teh applet. If you do "killall indicator-applet && /usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet" and then click the reload button on the dialog that pops up you can get those in a terminal. | 19:21 |
| kenvandine[work] | tedg: ok... done | 19:23 |
| kenvandine[work] | next dropped message i will grab the output and post it in the bug | 19:23 |
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| kenvandine[work] | tedg: ok, happened again and i posted the applet output to the bug | 19:58 |
| xhaker | asac, pitti need your help regarding firefox-3.0 and language-packs i'm seeing bug #222673 again on jaunty | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 222673 in language-pack-gnome-zh "language-pack-gnome-pt-base has pt-br translation" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222673 | 20:00 |
| xhaker | There is a new report that confirms it.. bug #333799 is about jaunty | 20:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 333799 in firefox "Firefox uses en-GB by default instead of en-US" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/333799 | 20:01 |
| tedg | kenvandine[work]: Hmm, nothing obvious. Thank you for all the data. | 20:01 |
| kenvandine[work] | np | 20:02 |
| asac | xhaker: please paste your chrome.manifest from /usr/lib/firefox-addons/langpack-pt*/ | 20:53 |
| asac | xhaker: its /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/... | 20:54 |
| === kenvandine2 is now known as kenvandine[work] | ||
| asac | bryce: any clue why xev doesnt see Button* events in gtk apps? | 21:24 |
| bryce | asac: something lower down is either blocking, consuming, or ignoring them - could be kernel level or hal | 21:25 |
| asac | bryce: hmm. i see it if i dont use -id | 21:25 |
| bryce | asac: we've got a troubleshooting page set up for these sorts of issues | 21:25 |
| bryce | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/ | 21:25 |
| asac | bryce: err. thats not about hotkeys ;) | 21:26 |
| asac | Mouse clicks | 21:26 |
| asac | ;) | 21:26 |
| asac | so just running xev opens a window and you see Button* events when you click | 21:26 |
| asac | but i dont see any such even in gtk windows | 21:26 |
| asac | bryce: actually i want a tool to see all x events for a window | 21:27 |
| asac | do you know anything better than xev? | 21:27 |
| bryce | no not offhand | 21:28 |
| bryce | it's possible to set something up to spy on the communication traffic between the xserver and clients; that would probably do it, but might be more trouble than worth to set up | 21:29 |
| bryce | google on xscope iirc | 21:29 |
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| asac | hmm | 21:32 |
| bryce | xmond is another similar tool | 21:33 |
| asac | bryce: not in the archiv? | 21:34 |
| bryce | hmm, I thought it was; I used it a few months back but you're right apt-cache search doesn't see it | 21:39 |
| asac | heh | 21:39 |
| bryce | xmond -> xmon | 21:40 |
| bryce | http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xmon | 21:40 |
| bryce | hmm, seems missing from jaunty | 21:41 |
| asac | bryce: not avail in jaunty | 21:41 |
| bryce | xmon | 1.5.6-2 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages | 21:41 |
| asac | !info xmon | 21:41 |
| ubottu | xmon (source: xmon): An interactive X protocol monitor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.6-3 (intrepid), package size 60 kB, installed size 236 kB | 21:41 |
| asac | bryce: Deleted in jaunty-release (Reason: (From Debian) RoQA; orphaned for a long time, superceded,...) | 21:42 |
| bryce | superseded by ...? | 21:42 |
| asac | pitti: ^^ do we know more? | 21:42 |
| bryce | asac: well meantime I bet you can snag the dsc from the above page | 21:43 |
| asac | yeah lets see | 21:43 |
| bryce | asac: ah xtrace is another such tool | 21:43 |
| bryce | xtrace | 0.10.0-1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages | 21:44 |
| asac | hmm ... somehow the description seems not to match my search terms ;) | 21:44 |
| bryce | btw, when I was messing with xmond, I found that the X we have in ubuntu disables remote X stuff that xmond needed, so I had to flip off that option. possibly that would need done with xtrace too | 21:46 |
| bryce | I think it's the -nolisten flag iirc | 21:47 |
| bryce | iirc it can be controlled via your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf | 21:47 |
| bryce | DisallowTCP=true --> false | 21:47 |
| asac | bryce: so xtrace frooze my X | 21:50 |
| bryce | sweet | 21:50 |
| asac | and terminal had splash screen -> reboot | 21:51 |
| asac | hard reset | 21:51 |
| asac | xtrace seems to be a wrapper ... maybe it was just a bad coincident | 21:51 |
| asac | too bad that one cannot filter the wanted events up-front | 21:51 |
| asac | ok one more try ;) | 21:52 |
| bryce | yep, like I mentioned, I found xmond to be a bit of trouble to get set up initially, but with sufficient googling and fiddling I got it working. I wish I had documented the process... but xtrace is probably different in subtle ways anyway | 21:53 |
| asac | too bad ... seems it would need something like -f for strae | 21:54 |
| asac | strace | 21:54 |
| asac | but doesnt have it :( | 21:55 |
| asac | now firefox forks away and events are not captured anymore | 21:55 |
| asac | let me check xmon ;) | 21:55 |
| asac | hmm. the ui doesnt really look intuitive ;) | 22:00 |
| bryce | heh | 22:00 |
| hggdh | seb128, ping | 22:00 |
| seb128 | hggdh: re | 22:00 |
| hggdh | seb128, libpst was submitted to revu. Would you mind sponsoring it? | 22:01 |
| seb128 | I don't have a revu account | 22:01 |
| seb128 | I will let motu deal with that | 22:01 |
| hggdh | k | 22:01 |
| seb128 | hggdh: I will make sure they sponsor it though, thanks for the work ;-) | 22:03 |
| seb128 | I've that and evolution-mapi on things I want motu look at this cycle | 22:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, Laney: ^ | 22:04 |
| hggdh | seb128, welcome. Glad to be able to help | 22:04 |
| Laney | seb128: You're waving the FFe wand? | 22:05 |
| seb128 | Laney: right, those are non trivial changes but evolution 2.26 can benefit of them so would be good to have them in jaunty | 22:05 |
| Laney | hggdh: lintian warnings reported by REVU | 22:06 |
| hggdh | Laney, I know. I just am not sure what to do there | 22:06 |
| Laney | hggdh: For the first one you need to write something different for each package's long description describing what they do | 22:08 |
| Laney | for the second I bet you didn't call it XSBC-Original-Maintainer | 22:08 |
| Laney | oh you did, weird | 22:08 |
| hggdh | heh | 22:09 |
| Laney | I'll do a proper review on friday or the weekend | 22:10 |
| hggdh | meanwhile I will add the descriptions & resubmit | 22:10 |
| * seb128 is on an evolution bug triaging and filling sprint today | 22:12 | |
| dobey | shouldn't be hard to file bugs against evo. it has plenty to choose from :) | 22:17 |
| seb128 | dobey: well, there is some thousand of those opened upstream so you have to pick new ones ;-) | 22:18 |
| dobey | heh | 22:19 |
| seb128 | the good thing is that the #evolution guys are responsive, they do IRC debugging if you are around and fix issues quickly | 22:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: can I help to sponsor a package? :) | 22:19 |
| seb128 | there is too many bugs but it come with a crasher | 22:19 |
| didrocks | (not tonight but tomorrow, it will be ok) | 22:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks: right, evolution-mapi (new package which is on revu) and libpst (update, sort of new package they changed upstream etc) | 22:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you still have gedit-plugins that you can update and upload too | 22:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: will have a look at them tomorrow | 22:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, it's in my backlog, but tonight, I had to do that: www.ubuntu-fr.org | 22:20 |
| didrocks | and I'm sure you don't want to know how ubuntu-fr's css are :) | 22:21 |
| seb128 | k | 22:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks: no I don't ;-) | 22:21 |
| didrocks | :-) | 22:21 |
| didrocks | it's better for you health, you know ^^ | 22:21 |
| didrocks | your* | 22:21 |
| seb128 | right | 22:22 |
| seb128 | brb | 22:22 |
| xhaker | asac: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/123052/ | 22:46 |
| xhaker | asac: this is probably useful too http://paste.ubuntu.com/123053/ | 22:47 |
| asac | xhaker: hmm. so there is no -pt at all | 22:54 |
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| xhaker | asac: yes.. neither en_US | 22:57 |
| asac | en_US is ok | 22:58 |
| asac | thats shipped inside firefox/xulrunner itself | 22:58 |
| asac | xhaker: can you check whether there is more in xulrunner-addons ? | 22:58 |
| xhaker | nope.. just en-gb and pt-br there | 22:59 |
| xhaker | i did some dpkg -L on the language-pack* packages I have installed | 23:00 |
| xhaker | pt-br is inside language-pack-pt | 23:00 |
| xhaker | not sure where pt-pt should be, probably on this same package no? | 23:01 |
| asac | no ... should be there too | 23:03 |
| asac | guess i would need a current export | 23:03 |
| asac | lets see | 23:03 |
| soren | 2/win 21 | 23:07 |
| soren | Err... No. | 23:07 |
| asac | xhaker: when did this start? | 23:08 |
| asac | just today? or rather one/two weeks ago? | 23:09 |
| xhaker | asac: I'm not sure, i've been using the English language. installed the pt support about a week ago | 23:12 |
| asac | xhaker: ok. | 23:16 |
| seb128 | enough work for today time to get some sleep bbl | 23:59 |
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