[00:00] <zoredache> xubuntu doesn't seem to be any more or less buggy then any other linux distro
[00:12] <pteague> it's less buggy than windows
[00:16] <keres> what is the o-shaped button in the top-left corner of the window for?
[00:16] <keres> ah, nm
[00:16] <keres> it sticks it to each deskto
[00:18] <benlinnoob> hi guy
[00:19] <benlinnoob> anyone know how to fix xubuntu's fan related problem?  I'm running a laptop, but xubuntu keeps having my laptop's fan running 100% of the time
[00:19] <benlinnoob> it's acting like as it it's a server lol
[01:12] <rocko> what does this command do "host hermes jerkface.net
[01:12] <rocko> Using domain server:
[01:12] <rocko> Name: jerkface.net
[01:12] <rocko> Address: 65.75.18.227#53
[01:12] <rocko> Aliases:
[01:12] <rocko> hermes has address 192.168.1.4
[01:12] <rocko> "
[01:12] <rocko> whoops
[01:14] <qwerkus> hello
[01:14] <qwerkus> i'm looking for a tool to paste together a large amount of small images
[01:15] <qwerkus> format is jpg
[01:15] <qwerkus> any ideas ?
[01:16] <zoredache> qwerkus: are you looking for cli tools, or just an image editor?
[01:16] <zoredache> gimp is graphics editor
[01:17] <qwerkus> i know gimp
[01:17] <qwerkus> but pasting 1024 files together with gimp seems unfeasable
[01:17] <qwerkus> what about command line alternatives ?
[01:19] <zoredache> !info metapixel
[01:19] <zoredache> that may be an option
[01:20] <zoredache> !info nip2
[01:21] <qwerkus> well
[01:21] <qwerkus> lets check this out
[01:21] <qwerkus> thanks a lot
[01:21] <zoredache> that is about all I can can come up with a search...  I believe gimp can be scripted....  Past that you are looking at writing a program using GD or something
[01:22] <zoredache> you might want to ask in #ubuntu, #linux or other channels.  This isn't really distro-specific question
[01:22] <qwerkus> ok
[04:08] <keisangi> hi there, how do i edit menu in current xfce ? i tryed this: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq#menu
[04:08] <keisangi> but ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/* doesn't exist
[04:08] <keisangi> where is located the autogenerated menu list ?
[04:09] <keisangi> i think i need to copy it to my home point xfce menu to use a custom file, and then edit the file to my liking.. would that be correct ?
[04:11] <keisangi> oh, and it seems the best i could install is xfce4 beta1, but xfce RC seems out already how can i update? is there's a ppa i could use ? or the package for ubuntu simply don't exist yet ?
[04:21] <keisangi> xfce4-about says: Xfce 4.6 BETA1
[04:36] <MysticKitsune1> what/where is the file i should edit to have my system logon with a new session every time?
[04:40] <keisangi> MysticKitsune1, yes i'd like to know about this too, i even tryed to delete ~/.config/xfce4* and it still didn't work ..
[04:41] <keisangi> each time i logged in previous session application were all restored.. xchat, terminal,firefox ...
[04:41] <keisangi> this was annoying
[04:43] <keisangi> i ended up deleting the whole .config* and all .gtk* and it then it worked .. empty new session .. there has to be a less radical approach ;)
[05:59] <zoredache_> MysticKitsune1 , keisangi try editing .config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc and changing SaveOnExit=false
[06:00] <keisangi> zoredache, for me the problem was solved by deleting .config*
[06:00] <keisangi> and .gtk*
[06:00] <keisangi> i guess there was some conflicting setting somewhere
[06:01] <keisangi> cause i tryed to delete .config/xfce4* first, without success
[06:01] <keisangi> btw editing menu in xfce is a pita ..
[06:02] <zoredache> don't try and edit it then... :/  Just accept it the way it is
[06:02] <keisangi> having to mess with .desktop files (adding Hidden=true or having to create own .desktop file)
[06:03] <keisangi> this is unacceptable answer, cause i needed to add eclipse launcher in the menu
[06:03] <zoredache> You should be able to add things new items without having to mess around to much
[06:03] <keisangi> my eclipse isn't the one packaged with ubuntu, i just downloaded it from eclipse.org
[06:04] <keisangi> so i add to manually create an eclipse.desktop, and add a <Filename>eclipse.desktop</Filename> entry in xfce-applications.menu
[06:05] <zoredache> well, or you could just create it and drop it in the directory /usr/share/applications
[06:06] <keisangi> but first i had to copy xfce-applications.menu in .config/menus/
[06:06] <keisangi> zoredache, yes, but then the autogenerated menu was filed with unnecessary stuff, like all kde stuffs
[06:07] <keisangi> i wanted to have a clean menu for testing xfce.. i didn't need all the apps from all the other desktop i have
[06:10] <keisangi> well maybe it's freedesktop.org fault i don't know .. but i feel like just for editing a menu, it's ridiculous the number of necessary step one must take..
[06:14] <keisangi> all's needed is a name, a path and icon..
[06:16] <zoredache> maybe, but it gets complicated when you try and build a system to allow programs to update the menu...  It is even more complicated because many people want menus to be the same from enviroment to enviroment (gnome,kde,xfce,etc..)
[06:16] <keisangi> sorry for the rent but i had to spent nearly 1h just to figure what files were used, how to edit them, and remove all unnecessary entries and add 1 new entry (eclipse)
[06:16] <keisangi> rant
[06:19] <keisangi> anyway .. is there package for xfce greater than beta1 available for ubuntu (intrepid) ?
[06:36] <dadda> Hi, I can't change my screen resoultion
[06:47] <keisangi> dada you could try manualy with xrandr
[06:48] <keisangi> xrandr --query
[06:48] <keisangi> to see all the available modes
[06:48] <dadda> ok
[06:49] <keisangi> the first listed one is 0 next is 1 next is 2 .. etc
[06:49] <keisangi> use xrandr --size 0 or anyother number to change the resolution
[06:49] <dadda> http://paste.ubuntu.com/122683/
[06:49] <dadda> I whant 1920x1200
[06:50] <dadda> How do I set that up?
[06:51] <dadda> If I change it will it stay the same allways?
[06:51] <keisangi> xrandr --output DVI --on
[06:51] <keisangi> xrandr --output VGA --off
[06:51] <keisangi> and then
[06:51] <keisangi> use xrandr --size 0
[06:51] <keisangi> should output on the dvi
[06:52] <keisangi> using the first listed resolution which seems to be : 1920x1200
[06:52] <dadda> I get a error while running xrandr --output DVI --on
[06:54] <dadda> keisangi, are you there?
[07:01] <dadda> I can't get xrandr to work
[09:27] <volo> hi
[09:38] <lab> hi. when I maximize windows, the bottom right corner is not accessibile and I cant resize them....
[09:39] <lab> what could I do ?
[09:49] <wormsxulla> (move the windows top-left so that you see the right-bottom corner?)
[09:50] <lab> wormsxulla: already tried
[09:50] <wormsxulla> not possible?
[09:50] <lab> wormsxulla: no
[09:51] <wormsxulla> erf. what about click+ALT to move the windows? (it works on my eee pc)
[09:52] <lab> it doesn't work
[09:52] <wormsxulla> i remember i had this problem with gaim long ago, but not with all windows
[09:52] <wormsxulla> (not in other applications)
[09:53] <wormsxulla> lab: you'll have to wait for a real xubuntu guru i'm afraid :)
[09:57] <ablomen> lab, you can set up margins somewhere
[09:57] <ablomen> lemme check
[09:58] <ablomen> ah yeah in the workspaces and margins window in the settings manager
[09:58] <lab> ablomen: where exactly ?
[09:59] <ablomen> lab, menu => settings => settings manager => workspaces and margins => 2nd tab
[09:59] <lab> ablomen: sorry I have italian labels... let me check
[10:08] <dquestions> i cant install open ssh
[10:08] <dquestions> wtf
[10:10] <lab> ablomen: it doesn't solve but thanks anyway
[10:15] <dquestions> i have 7.10
[11:13] <eth> hi
[11:16] <eth> hello anybody give a newbiw a hand?
[11:17] <Myrtti> just ask and we'll see
[11:18] <eth> Thanks Myrtti.  I want to install flash player for utube and am confused. i have zubuntu 8.1 forst time user
[11:18] <eth> sorry xubuntu
[11:21] <Darth_Tux> morning all
[11:22] <TheSheep> eth: just install flashplugin-nonfree from synaptic
[11:22] <TheSheep> eth: go to system->synaptic
[11:23] <TheSheep> eth: search for flashplugin-nonfree
[11:23] <TheSheep> eth: and install it there
[11:23] <eth> The Sheep: Thanks  - will try
[11:39] <eth> Successfully downloaded and installed using synaptic, but netscape still wants me to install on utube website. Is there more to do?
[11:39] <Myrtti> restart firefox
[11:41] <eth> Myrtti done that already. Also i have javascript turned on
[11:43] <knome> eth, sometimes firefox doesn't close properly even if all the windows have been closed. try to log out and back in.
[11:44] <G-Bleezy> how do i check the owner of a file?
[11:44] <knome> G-Bleezy, on thunar, right-click > properties > permissions
[11:45] <G-Bleezy> hmm..k...what is 644 permission?
[11:47] <knome> G-Bleezy, read and write for owner, read for group and others.
[11:48] <G-Bleezy> k
[11:53] <eth> knome : back again firefox is still looking for flash plugin. I logged out and re-started!
[11:54] <knome> eth, interesting.
[11:55] <eth> Knome; I had trouble earlier trying to install openoffice suite. it hung up at the last moment.
[11:57] <knome> hmm...
[11:58] <eth> knome I can see flashplayer in the synaptic list
[11:58] <knome> as installed?
[11:59] <eth> knome yes  marked in green
[11:59] <knome> ok... then it should work
[12:00] <knome> can you check some other site with flash
[12:00] <eth> name one
[12:01] <knome> myspace? :P
[12:01] <wormsxulla> :)
[12:05] <eth> knome  just a blank space where the movie should be.
[12:05] <wormsxulla> eth: you're not running greasemonkey by any chance?
[12:05] <knome> mm-hm.
[12:06] <eth> knome no its a black space with instructions it turn on javascript and download flash player 9 or higher
[12:07] <eth> wormsuxulla. Im a noob just insalled xubuntu last night.
[12:08] <wormsxulla> eth: ok
[12:08] <eth> not sure what greasemonkey is
[12:09] <wormsxulla> forget it :)
[12:09] <eth> ok.
[12:10] <eth> I may have screwed things up with my earlier attempt to install openoffice suite(not completely successful)
[12:11] <knome> if you were trying to install from synaptic, there is no reason why it should've broken anything.
[12:11] <eth> I used applications>system>add/remove
[12:12] <knome> no reason then either.
[12:12] <knome> do you got any error message about why the installation was not succesful?
[12:13] <eth> IK any other suggestions? This is a sacrificial old pentium III made up from bits I found lying around.
[12:13] <knome> *did
[12:13] <knome> eth, are you running out of hard disk space? how much ram do you havve?
[12:13] <knome> *have
[12:14] <eth> the office install hung up the machine. I had to pull the plug to get control back
[12:15] <eth> 320 mb ram
[12:15] <knome> ok, that should not bring you those problems
[12:15] <eth> i installed inside windows  15gig i think
[12:17] <wormsxulla> eth: what does about:plugins say in firefox?
[12:20] <eth> no mention of flash player in about:
[12:20] <eth> no mention in addons either.
[12:20] <wormsxulla> about:plugins (in the url bar)
[12:21] <eth> yes, in the url bar. its  not mentioned at all
[12:21] <wormsxulla> not installed then
[12:22] <eth> duh!
[12:22] <eth> no not installed .
[12:23] <eth> is there another way to do it - for a noob
[12:23] <wormsxulla> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash
[12:23] <wormsxulla> maybe you don't have enough ram and flash 10 refuses to install
[12:25] <eth> 320mb  i noticed it on the post screen last time i re-booted
[12:25] <wormsxulla> (it's an odd amount of RAM)
[12:26] <eth>  128 + 128+ 64
[12:26] <wormsxulla> eheh
[12:26] <wormsxulla> oldskool computer!
[12:27] <eth> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash  thats a lot of reading for a linux beginner.
[12:27] <eth> as i said. A re-cycling centre special
[12:28] <wormsxulla> you could try asking on moznet in #firefox, if nobody here has a better idea
[12:28] <wormsxulla> irc://irc.mozilla.org/ then /j #firefox
[12:28] <eth> maybe a re-install
[12:29] <wormsxulla> ö_ö
[12:30] <eth> is a 470mb p3 fast enough for this?
[12:30] <wormsxulla> sure it is
[12:31] <wormsxulla> i would _not_ re-install, not for the life of me!
[12:31] <eth> well I have (spit!) win xp home  on the same drive and it seems faster.
[12:31] <eth> I installed xubuntu inside windows
[12:31] <knome> with wubi, you mean
[12:31] <wormsxulla> oh
[12:31] <eth> it took ages to do
[12:33] <eth> yes i suppose it was wubi. Im not up on the jargon, but I got ubunti 8.1 installed on my main pc the same way.
[12:33] <eth> It works fine there
[12:34] <eth> real ubuntu 8.1 i mean. not xubuntu
[12:34] <eth> sorry if i offend :)
[12:40] <eth> is there some sort of sudo apt-get invocation I can make?
[12:44] <eth> wormsxulla, knome, Oh dear I've offended. Im sorry. Come back!
[12:47] <wormsxulla> heh?
[12:48] <mario_> love for all beings
[12:48] <eth> Wormsxulla, <eth> it took ages to do
 yes i suppose it was wubi. Im not up on the jargon, but I got ubunti 8.1 installed on my main pc the same way.
 It works fine there
 real ubuntu 8.1 i mean. not xubuntu
 sorry if i offend :)
 is there some sort of sudo apt-get invocation I can make?
[12:49] <mario_> i've installed xubuntu on a pentium4 and spanish language have been correctly set up, but not the menu title Application and Places
[12:49] <mario_> any help to change this items into spanish. items inside menus are in spanish
[12:49] <mario_> ?
[12:49] <mario_> thanks in advance
[12:50] <mario_> the only that changes is the X environment, there is not a real one eth :) just your X environment selection, gnome-ubuntu, kde kubuntu, xfce4 xubuntu
[12:50] <mario_> window manager more closer
[12:51] <mario_> what are you looking for eth ?
[12:55] <eth> mario_ : this is my first xubuntu and I think I'll write this install up to experience, and wipe and install again. I'm not giving up,  I'll be back.
[12:55] <eth> cu all.
[12:55] <mario_> you will learn more if you try to set it up, not reinstalling, usually there is no need to reinstall reboot, this is M$ windows way :
[12:56] <mario_> goo dluck
[12:57] <eth> Well I make a living fixing M$ PCs. The MAN's way is the only way I know:)
[12:57] <eth> Bye
[13:19] <PU160> hi everybody
[13:29] <vision4ce> Hello everyone. Has anyone had a problem with their LAN in 8.10? I just recently installed 8.10 and the LAN was working fine, then after downloading and installing the upadates it has suddenly stopped working
[13:30] <Myrtti> sounds like the bug I've seen couple of times
[13:33] <Myrtti> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/320268
[13:36] <vision4ce> thanks for the link
[13:39] <PU160> i can't find applications > system > network. so i can't configure proxy settings. Alt+F2 > network-manager > run > Failed to execute child process "network-manager" (No such file or directory)
[13:40] <PU160> what can i do?
[13:40] <TheSheep> PU160: right-click on the network icon besides your clock
[13:40] <TheSheep> PU160: and select 'edit connections'
[13:41] <TheSheep> besides, proxy settings are configured in the browser
[13:43] <PU160> i use it. i can arrive internet connection via firefox. but i can't arrive internet in terminal. i guess for terminal i need network-manager of system
[14:01] <land> guys, is there a chance i too can write my own Bot?
[14:02] <diginux> what do you mean?
[14:02] <diginux> bots are easy to write
[14:03] <land> create a my own Bot
[14:03] <land> really?
[14:03] <diginux> you mean an irc bot, or some other type of bot?
[14:04] <land> an irc bot, diginux
[14:04] <diginux> land: what programming language do you want to use?
[14:04] <_Pete_> land: http://www.jibble.org/pircbot.php and there's also channel #jibble for that
[14:04] <_Pete_> in this network
[14:05] <TheSheep> PU160: just set the http_proxy environment variable
[14:05] <TheSheep> PU160: programs that can use it, will use it
[14:05] <land> diginux, i dunno really
[14:05] <TheSheep> land: I really think this is not the right place to ask that :)
[14:06] <PU160> TheSheep: thnx
[14:06] <land> thesheep, i'm sorry
[14:06] <PU160> TheSheep: i will try it later.
[14:07] <TheSheep> land: it's nothing wrong, it's just there are no people here who can help you with it :)
[14:08] <land> i see
[14:08] <_Pete_> TheSheep: actually here is at least me :)
[14:08]  * land smiles
[14:08] <_Pete_> but join #jibble for instance and there's more it's irc bot using Java
[14:09] <land> tnx, _Pete_
[15:16] <usereth> hi all
[15:17] <usereth> i have a problem installing flash player for utube on xubuntu 8.1
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Did you install through Synaptic-Package-Manager?
[15:18] <usereth> I installed using wubi and re-installed again but my problem remains. Can anyone help?
[15:18] <usereth> Charlie, Yes, Flash-nonfree plus other dependencies.
[15:19] <charlie-tca> and it still don't work?
[15:19] <usereth> mozilla does not seem to pick up the install
[15:20] <ablomen> i had this problem a while back.. the flashplayer package not downloading the needed files
[15:20] <usereth> I did a re-install of xubuntu to make sure there were no other issues clouding things.
[15:20] <usereth> Mozilla did not pick up on the flash player at all
[15:21] <ablomen> usereth, try removing the package in synaptics, and then downloading and installing this: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[15:21] <ablomen> thats the deb from the adobe site
[15:21] <usereth> Maybe the packmanager is missing something. Is there a way to tell?
[15:22] <ablomen> when you click on that link you should be able to choose open with... gdebi installer or something like that
[15:22] <charlie-tca> reinstalling the os is a windows/microsoft thing, and seldom needed in Xubuntu
[15:22] <usereth> Ablomen Phew that looks tough. I am new to linux.
[15:23] <ablomen> usereth, it should be point&click :)
[15:23] <ablomen> usereth, try downloading the file and then dubble-clicking the file
[15:24] <ablomen> just like your typical windows exe :)
[15:25] <usereth> Choose an application to launch?
[15:25] <ablomen> usereth, does it ask that when you try to download it or when you double-click it?
[15:25] <usereth> after download.
[15:41] <usereth> Sorry, Back Again. Yes it installed this time . Thanks. Now to work on getting the sound working.
[15:53] <gray_> does anyone know how to keep conky from minimizing when i click show desktop?
[15:54] <charlie-tca> gray_: show desktop is designed to minimize all the applications so that you can see the entire desktop
[15:55] <gray_> can conky be left out?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I don't think anything can be left out
[15:55] <gray_> odd
[17:14] <crazygir> charlie-tca: conky could be told to write to the desktop background
[17:15] <charlie-tca> So it is possible to leave apps out of getting minimized?
[17:17] <crazygir> not necessarily, but with specifically for conky, it's output can be written to the root window (desktop)
[17:17] <crazygir> I dunno if stickying a window will change the minimize-all behaviour
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I see. Thanks for explaining that one.
[17:29] <crazygir> I don't want to automagickally update my kernel when updating the system.. how do I prevent these packages from updating on their own?
[17:31] <zoredache> you should put the linux-image package on hold
[17:32] <zoredache> something like this would probably work - dpkg --get-selections | grep 'linux-image' | sed -e 's/install/hold/' | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[17:34] <crazygir> err
[17:35] <zoredache> yes?  The command finds what linux-image packages you have installed, changes the state to 'hold'
[17:36] <crazygir> yea, that makes sense
[17:37] <crazygir> it'll work, I was hoping for something a little less hackish, but that's cool :P
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Process called holding: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction%20to%20Holding%20Packages
[17:37] <crazygir> thanks :)
[17:38] <zoredache> synaptic does have a method to hold stuff?  I swear I couldn't find that last time I looked... It was a couple years ago when I looked though, perhaps it is a more recent addition?
[17:39] <charlie-tca> maybe
[17:40] <zoredache> crazygir: remeber you'll probably want to undo your holds when you do a release upgrade to something like jaunty
[17:40] <crazygir> that's a xubuntu system (version) upgrade, correct?
[17:40] <crazygir> like 8.4 versus 8.10
[17:40] <charlie-tca> you're right, zoredache . It never used to be able to lock the version
[17:40] <zoredache> trying to hold some backages will break the upgrade.  Yes like intrepid to jaunty
[17:40] <crazygir> yes
[17:40] <crazygir> I'd probably just do a new install
[18:04] <exon> hello all
[18:05] <exon> i just installed xubuntu on this old pc-laptop runs smooth
[18:06] <neozen> welcome to the fold
[18:06] <exon> does anyone know how i can put a icon for example the launcher of terminal on my desktoopscreen?
[18:07] <zoredache> exon: does right click and choose 'create launcher' work for you?
[18:07] <knome> right-click > create launcher > command: xfce4-terminal
[18:07] <exon> nice
[18:09] <exon> and how do i get this same launcher in my top panel
[18:09] <exon> it seems not to be in the list when i try to add
[18:10] <knome> right-click > add new items > launcher > command: xfce4-terminal
[18:14]  * exon says @ knome nope it's not there
[18:14] <knome> exon, which menu item can't you see?
[18:15] <exon> i managed the icon on desktop  but i want the terminal icon also in my panel
[18:16] <knome> yes. if you follow the instructions (right-click > add new items > launcher > command: xfce4-terminal), which part of that you can't do?
[18:16] <exon> so i went to top panel ad new item > but if i type  xfce4-terminal there is nothing
[18:17] <exon> that icon ain't there
[18:17] <knome> exon, no, select "laucher" from the list
[18:17] <knome> exon, and then in the opening dialog, write xfce4-terminal in the command input
[18:20] <exon> thx
[18:20] <exon> does anyone know if skype runs on xubuntu
[18:21] <zoredache> !skype
[18:21] <crazygir> gah! skype!
[18:21]  * crazygir runs
[18:21] <exon> xubuntu
[18:21] <crazygir> xubuntu == ubuntu + very little
[18:22] <zoredache> the directions should be the same...
[18:23] <exon> ok i give it a try
[18:24] <zoredache> exon: you might want to make sure your sound is working before you start with skype
[18:26] <crazygir> heh
[18:27] <exon> mmm i have a fat32 partition on this laptop somewhere how can i access that
[18:28] <exon> in gnome i could find this partition
[18:31] <zoredache> do a 'sudo fdisk -l' to list the partitions then 'sudo mkdir /media/mountpoint ; sudo mount /dev/whatever /media/mountoint'
[18:32] <zoredache> !fat
[18:48] <crazygir> in the MountWindowsSharesPermanently ubuntu wiki, there are explanations for various ad/windows share configurations
[18:48] <crazygir> one uses libpam_mount, which is what I've attemped
[18:49] <crazygir> but there isn't much info regarding how to mount the share by hand
[18:49] <crazygir> anyone familiar with this process?
[18:49] <exon> i need access to fat32 /dev/sda5
[18:50] <crazygir> exon: did you follow the instructions from ubottu?
[18:50] <zoredache> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=username //server/share /mountpoint
[18:50] <zoredache> if the computer you are connected to is a domain member username may need to be domain\\username
[18:51] <spaceBARbarian> how can i set up samba for xubuntu ?
[18:51] <crazygir> heh
[18:51] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: server or accessing shares?
[18:51] <zoredache> spaceBARbarian: are you wanting to server, or access?
[18:51] <spaceBARbarian> i am trying to shared folder for acces with windows
[18:51] <exon> yes i was reading but i'm a newbie
[18:51] <spaceBARbarian> *create a shared
[18:51] <zoredache> !samba
[18:52] <zoredache> !fusesmb
[18:52] <crazygir> exon: well, newbies can still explain a). what they did and b). what went wrong
[18:52] <exon> sure
[18:52] <crazygir> zoredache: those wikis need to be updated
[18:52] <crazygir> libpam's config is totally different
[18:53] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> so i shouldnt use that link ?
[18:53] <zoredache> crazygir: yes, but they are a starting point
[18:53] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: no, use those links
[18:53] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: what i mentioned pertains to one type of configuraiton
[18:54] <crazygir> zoredache: so this tests fine, but I'm not so sure about how to test the libpam configuration
[18:54] <spaceBARbarian> hmm for some reason i cant to the archive
[18:54] <crazygir> (or get the system to mount using libpam_moutn)
[18:55] <spaceBARbarian> i just installed gedit tho
[18:55] <crazygir> meh, learn vim :)
[18:55] <crazygir> you'll be happier in the long run
[18:55] <crazygir> and a lot more efficient ;)
[18:56] <crazygir> zoredache: are you familiar with the libpam method? I'm not too sure I understand the last bits of the config options
[18:56] <exon> mount: can't find /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[18:57] <spaceBARbarian> i keep getting this error with apt-get : connect (113 no route to host)
[18:57] <exon> so i need to edit fstab
[18:57] <crazygir> zoredache: cifs gets passed: -o "user=domainuser,uid=user,gid=group%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)"
[18:57] <zoredache> crazygir: I had tried using the libpam thing working about a year ago.  it didn't really work they way I wanted
[18:57] <crazygir> I'm not so sure I understand the %(before....) stuff
[18:58] <crazygir> exon: yes
[18:58] <zoredache> crazygir: I don't remeber seeing that when I last looked at it
[18:58] <crazygir> the config is different
[18:59] <crazygir> zoredache: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=810247
[19:00] <crazygir> zoredache: but either way, I'm still not sure how to get the share mounted without doing it by hand
[19:00] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> i keep getting this error with apt-get : connect (113 no route to host)
[19:01] <crazygir> so check out your routes
[19:01] <zoredache> you could use fusesmb.  Or I use autofs.  But the flaw with both is that you must store you username and password in a text file... :|
[19:02] <crazygir> not going to happen :)
[19:02] <zoredache> crazygir: I encrypted my entire hard drive last time I installed.  Just so I could get things like this working without having to worrry to much
[19:02] <crazygir> zoredache: I'm a domain admin, and while my user's password wouldn't offer the keys to the car, it's infinitely harder to get those keys without my user's credentials
[19:03] <crazygir> zoredache: but that's meaningless when you keep your system running 24/7
[19:03] <crazygir> encrypted volumes are only helpful when the volume *isn't* mounted
[19:03] <crazygir> ;)
[19:03] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> will i be able to mount an xubuntu folder with samba ? i am trying to map a network drive in windows to a xubuntu folder
[19:04] <zoredache> that isn't entirely true.  If my system is up and 'secure' nobody will be able to access anything but me.  The encryption prevents them from rebooting and getting access to anything
[19:04] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: eventually
[19:04] <zoredache> So I simply have to hope that linux/gdm/etc doesn't have any bugs in the login code
[19:04] <crazygir> might help to figure out your network settings first spaceBARbarian
[19:05] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> i can already ping the IP ( windows to xubuntu and back)
[19:05] <crazygir> zoredache: or that xubuntu and the stuff it depends on doesn't fail miserably
[19:05] <crazygir> ..like with the debian debalacle last year
[19:05] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: but you can't install packages.. so fix your network settings :)
[19:06] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> i am running apt-get update, like it suggested after that error
[19:06] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> but even the update thing is throwing the same error, however it says its 20% done
[19:06] <crazygir> zoredache: so with the libpam_mount info on the wiki, it sort of leaves you hanging
[19:07] <crazygir> once you've made the proper configuration changes, how do you use it?
[19:07] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: FIX YOUR NETWORK SETTINGS
[19:07] <zoredache> crazygir: log out and login again
[19:07] <crazygir> :)
[19:07] <crazygir> ahh
[19:07] <crazygir> that's annoying :P
[19:07] <zoredache> by integrating with pam, it mounts when you login
[19:08]  * crazygir nods
[19:08] <zoredache> if you have updated your pam configuration correctly, you can test by ssh to localhost
[19:08] <crazygir> it totally makes sense
[19:08] <crazygir> oh sweet, that's a good point
[19:08] <zoredache> crazygir: I had tons of problems with it unmounting things correctly though...
[19:08] <crazygir> hopefully they've actually written code in the last year :)
[19:09] <crazygir> zoredache: is ssh not available by default?
[19:09] <zoredache> crazygir: no, no network servers are install by default...
[19:09] <zoredache> crazygir: apt-get install openssh-server
[19:09] <crazygir> so ssh has to be installed, then configured
[19:09] <crazygir> ok
[19:10] <zoredache> the default config is usually fine, unless you want to be paranoid and disable password authentication
[19:10] <zoredache> and work purely with keys
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Anybody testing the ISO images for alpha5 should grab the new images. They were just rebuilt
[19:11] <crazygir> yea, I'm from the openbsd world, ssh makes my life simple :)
[19:12] <crazygir> zoredache: how are services controlled?
[19:12] <zoredache> crazygir: what do you mean, are you asking how to start/stop them?
[19:13] <crazygir> start/stop and whether they start on boot or not
[19:13] <zoredache> from a cli you can call the script it /etc/init.d/service (start|stop|restart)
[19:13] <zoredache> or you can use more generic 'invoke-rc.d service state' which basically just calles the script in /etc/init.d
[19:14] <crazygir> how do you define which services start on boot?
[19:14] <zoredache> or you can choose the 'services' off the menu under 'system'
[19:15]  * crazygir nods
[19:15] <crazygir> thanks
[19:16] <crazygir> woah.. permit root is on by default :|
[19:16] <crazygir> silly silly ubuntu
[19:16] <zoredache> root isn't enabled by default.  There isn't much a person can do with that being enabled
[19:17] <zoredache> though, I kinda agree with you, it would have been better to have it disabled, and expect people to be enable it if they need it for some reason
[19:17] <crazygir> zoredache: no, ssh has permit root login enabled by default
[19:18] <zoredache> I know, but I am saying the root account is disabled.  You can't login as root by default
[19:18] <charlie-tca> crazygir: but ssh-server is not installed by default
[19:18] <zoredache> doesn't really matter if ssh allows it by default or not
[19:18] <zoredache> or at least that is what some people think
[19:18] <crazygir> charlie-tca: doesn't matter
[19:19] <crazygir> I'm not talking about xubuntu defaults, but the *package* defaults
[19:19]  * charlie-tca should be quiet and pay attention
[19:19] <crazygir> zoredache: sure it does
[19:19] <crazygir> charlie-tca: no worries :)
[19:19] <charlie-tca> No? I could learn though. :-)
[19:20] <zoredache> crazygir: well you could submit it as a bug, but I think it has already been submited several timees and closed as wontfix
[19:20] <crazygir> meh, someone is being silly
[19:20] <crazygir> openbsd only has the default because no users are created in the installer
[19:21] <crazygir> hrm.. libpam failed somewhere
[19:21] <KenBW2> my networkmanager applet has disappeared from my xfce4-panel - how do i restore it?
[19:21] <crazygir> have you checked the xfce panel settings?
[19:22] <KenBW2> crazygir: settings?
[19:22] <crazygir> ?
[19:23] <zoredache> but 22136
[19:23] <zoredache> bug 22136
[19:23] <zoredache> !bug 22136
[19:23] <KenBW2> crazygir: was your comment @ me?
[19:23] <knome> bug #22136
[19:24] <zoredache> fine... be that way... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/22136
[19:24] <crazygir> KenBW2: yes
[19:24] <crazygir> O.o
[19:24] <KenBW2> crazygir: which settings am i looking at
[19:24] <crazygir> KenBW2: xfce's panel settings...
[19:24] <crazygir> that's what's broken..
[19:25] <crazygir> KenBW2: also check the network manager's settings
[19:25] <zoredache> crazygir: see the link and see /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/README.Debian.gz for the arguement about PermitRootLogin
[19:25] <KenBW2> crazygir: how do i get to the settings
[19:26] <crazygir> zoredache: it's ok
[19:26] <crazygir> I'll let the debian folks argue
[19:26] <crazygir> KenBW2: dunno. you'll have to hack around with it
[19:26] <crazygir> use your brain :)
[19:27] <KenBW2> crazygir: all i can find is the one that lets me change its position, size etc
[19:27] <_Pete_> !vnc
[19:29] <zoredache> KenBW2: have you tried something simple like logging out/in or rebooting... it isn't really a great long term solution but sometimes it will help you diagnose if it was just a temporary issue, or if it really broke
[19:30] <KenBW2> zoredache: yea i have
[19:30] <KenBW2> but ive since found its autoconnected to my wireless so i dont need it... for now
[19:31] <zoredache> try running 'nm-applet' and see if the icon shows up?
[19:31] <KenBW2> zoredache: crazygir suggested that
[19:32] <KenBW2> zoredache: oh wait, that was someone in #ubuntu
[19:38] <_Pete_> what is good/simple/noinstall.exe vncviewer for winxp?
[19:39] <zoredache> tightvnc is probably the better choice, but pretty much all of them are the same
[19:39] <_Pete_> ok ty will try that
[19:53] <slow-motion> hi
[20:36] <Sw3RvE> can xubuntu run from a usb flash drive?
[20:36] <zoredache> yes
[20:36] <Sw3RvE> i found a tutorial i just want to make sure the version doesnt matter like 6.10 vs. 8.10
[20:36] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: i am doing now :)
[20:37] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: do you know you can use the tool built into Intrepid?
[20:37] <zoredache> if you go to a really old version you'll have problems.  Pretty much everything recent works
[20:37] <Sw3RvE> o i can?
[20:37] <Darth_Tux> Sw3RvE, there is also an app called unetbootin that will set it up for you
[20:38] <Sw3RvE> KenBW2 where is it located? or do i need to install the app first?
[20:39] <tempuser> Xubuntu 8.10 installation did not put diskette drive in fstab. Is that intentional?
[20:40] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: do you have Ubuntu 8.10 anywhere?
[20:40] <Sw3RvE> yea on my desktop. im running xubuntu 8.10 on my laptop now.
[20:40] <TheSheep> tempuser: I think it might be handled by HAL
[20:40] <Sw3RvE> i want xubuntu tho not ubuntu...
[20:40] <zoredache> tempuser: are you talking about a cd or floppy?
[20:41] <Sw3RvE> or will i still need the ISO to make it
[20:41] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: System > Administration > Make a bootable USB disk or similar
[20:41] <zoredache> on my usb floppy drive I just click on it and it mounts.
[20:41] <Sw3RvE> ken will i need the iso?
[20:41] <zoredache> the floppy drive in my old computer doesn't do that though
[20:42] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: yea
[20:43] <Sw3RvE> i need to download the 32bit version then so it will be more versatile
[20:45] <tempuser> zoredache: I am talking about floppy.
[20:45] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: youll need to allocate it some reserved storage space
[20:45] <Sw3RvE> the app doesnt do that for me?
[20:46] <KenBW2> Sw3RvE: well, it has a slider on it to set the amount
[20:46] <KenBW2> take a look
[20:46] <Sw3RvE> oh alright
[20:46] <Sw3RvE> what is the minimum needed. im going to use a 1GB usb drive.
[20:46] <KenBW2> erm
[20:47] <KenBW2> it might tell you
[20:48] <zoredache> Sw3RvE: the livecd will fit on a cd, so a 1GB drive should work.  It won't leave you much room for other stuff
[20:48] <Sw3RvE> the iso is 589 mb
[20:49] <Sw3RvE> 589MB*
[20:56] <Sw3RvE> zored couldnt i just select discard on shutdown
[20:57] <tempuser> TheSheep: how would floppy drive be handled by HAL. I don't see any automount here.
[20:57] <zoredache> if you don't wany anything then what is on the livecd, then yeah
[20:57] <TheSheep> tempuser: I don't know, haven't had a floppy drive since years
[20:59] <Sw3RvE> so if i saved space i could add apps?
[21:04] <tempuser> TheSheep: It seem that ubuntu has forgotten them, too.
[21:04] <charlie-tca> tempuser: I think 8.10 you have to start the system with the floppy in the drive; it then picks it up
[21:06] <tempuser> charlie-tca: odd
[21:07] <charlie-tca> very. There should be a bug report on it.
[21:07] <Sw3RvE> it says Invalid or damaged Bootable partition
[21:07] <Sw3RvE> when i try to boot from the USB drive
[21:11] <tempuser> Anyone know how could you do the step "Configure LPRng printing using printtool" of http://www.kivela.net/jaska/projects/lj3100/ in Xubuntu?
[21:12] <tempuser> and suppress ghostscript package from being updated, if you need the special version of it to print by HP LaserJet 3100?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Process called holding: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction%20to%20Holding%20Packages
[21:14] <Sw3RvE> ill try to get this usb thing to work later. i have to go to class.
[21:17] <slow-motion> n8
[21:18] <tempuser> charlie-tca: thanks
[21:39] <rocko> http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm
[21:55] <Kholby> I can't get my Broadcom wireless card to work with Xubuntu.
[21:57] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> i fixed my network problems can you help me with the samba setup
[22:01] <Kholby> Can anyone help with a Broadcom wireless card?
[22:05] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: what's up?
[22:11] <spaceBARbarian> crazygir=> i installed the samba package (sudo apt-get install samba), i am trying to share a folder with my windows pc
[22:11] <spaceBARbarian> do i just add the information in /etc/samba/smb.conf ? or is there an easier way ?
[22:15] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: you'll have to look at those wiki files about sharing directories from linux --> windows. I have only setup samba to read windows shares
[22:15] <crazygir> !samba
[22:15] <crazygir> spaceBARbarian: ^
[22:18] <Mood> I've never seen this behavior before, but "ls -l" is showing me all .* files/dirs... is this normal behavior?
[22:19] <zoredache> Mood: you could force something like that to happen with an alias
[22:20] <Mood> zoredache: "env|egrep -i ls" is not showing any aliases... anywhere else i can check?
[22:20] <crazygir> Mood: look at the manpage
[22:22] <Mood> ok- i got it... alias...
[22:24] <Mood> strange... no man for alias...
[22:28] <brandonban6> spaceBARbarian, in nutshell you need to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf to add your linux machine to same workgroup as your windows box, next you can create a share either under the [shared definitions] section of the same file, or simple right click and edit the sharing permissions of a folder from the GUI.
[22:29] <spaceBARbarian> brandonban6=> yeah i got it just had to uncomment two lines in smb.conf
[22:30] <brandonban6> sweet!
[22:31] <Brad450> can someone help me get passed this
[22:31] <Brad450>                      brad450@PS3-LINUX:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:31] <Brad450> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[22:31] <Brad450>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090225173034
[22:39] <brandonban6> Brad450, .........what do you mean by "get passed this", does that come up at bootup? were you editing your xorg/video card settings?
[22:39] <crazygir> is mpd required for listen?
[22:40] <crazygir> listen doesn't seem to go through my library?
[22:40] <Brad450> yes editing resolution
[22:40] <Brad450> in termianl
[22:41] <Brad450> **terminal
[22:42] <brandonban6> it seems like you just need to reboot or restart the xserver? have you tried that? .... that isn't really error message, just notifying you that it created a backup. Or am I mistaken on what you are asking?
[22:42] <Brad450> brandonban6: do u know how to do this?
[22:42] <brandonban6> Brad450, my above comment was direct to you, sorry forgot to tag your name
[22:43] <Brad450> i want to change the resolution on my PS3 my screen is runing at 1920x1080 but my desktop is running in a box at like 720p
[22:44] <Brad450> and is surounded by black
[22:45] <Brad450> how do i change my resolution??
[22:45] <brandonban6> Brad450, and then when you edit the xorg.conf file it gives that message you posted, but then doesn't change anything?
[22:46] <Brad450> well how do i get there? my desktop envi.. is all screwed up i can open filesystem or places it just crashes
[22:47] <Brad450> ****CANT******
[22:47] <rocko> hello
[22:47] <rocko> how are you guys ?
[22:47] <brandonban6> hi rocko, i'm good yourself?
[22:48] <rocko> thanks I am good
[22:48] <rocko> gl-17 doesn't work :(
[22:48] <rocko> it starts up
[22:48] <rocko> but doesn't allow me to click on any of the menu options
[22:50] <brandonban6> Brad450, i'm not sure....not familiar with envi :(
[22:50] <Brad450> ****that was short for my desktop environment lol
[22:53] <brandonban6> Brad450, OH GEEZ.......lol........I totally misread that.........try running gksudo <insert favorite text editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...that's the configuration file for your xserver
[22:54] <brandonban6> try to edit the resolution..........if that doesn't work, you can try rebooting into to recovery mode and there is an option to fix your xorg server listed there.
[22:54] <Brad450> lol what text editor should i use i just started this linux mjo yeterday lol
[22:55] <Brad450> iam a windows guy this is a little complicated lol
[22:56] <brandonban6> no problem, you have to start somewhere :) I believe mousepad is the default one on xubuntu.........so run "gksudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:00] <Brad450> ok how do i change my resolution in that file
[23:00] <Brad450> ??
[23:05] <DaemonFC> is there a way to easily make XFCE look normal?
[23:07] <Brad450> whats normal?
[23:07] <Brad450> to u i mean
[23:07] <DaemonFC> the default layout
[23:09] <Brad450> settings> system manager>user interface then just choose XCFE
[23:10] <Brad450> did that do it??
[23:10] <rocko> BIG
[23:10] <rocko> HUGE
[23:10] <DaemonFC> I'm on 4.6
[23:10] <DaemonFC> so they've changed it a bit
[23:10] <rocko> that is pretty small man are you sure it is 4.6 ?
[23:11] <Brad450> 4.6??? what u mean by that
[23:11] <rocko> idk
[23:11] <rocko> what is 4.6 ?
[23:11] <DaemonFC> XFCE 4.6
[23:11] <Brad450> what are we talkin bout here lol
[23:11] <brandonban6> Brad450, there wasn't a resolution already listed in the xorg.conf file?
[23:12] <DaemonFC> Intrepid uses 4.4
[23:12] <Brad450> lol where do i find that??????
[23:12] <_Pete_> lol, lots of lols
[23:12] <spasticteapot> I turned on my USB soundcard while it was plugged into the computer, and my audio programs crashed.
[23:12] <spasticteapot> I restarted my computer, and now none of the panels (toolbars?) are present.
[23:13] <spasticteapot> What do I do?
[23:14] <brandonban6> spasticteapot, Hit ALT+F2 then type xfce4-panel
[23:14] <spasticteapot> I technically restarted it twice - will I need to do this each time Linux boots?
[23:15] <brandonban6> you restarted panel or the machine?
[23:15] <spasticteapot> The machine.
[23:16] <brandonban6> no, you shouldn't need to do it each time you boot....I forget where you check that though...
[23:18] <spasticteapot> Ubuntu usually tries to boot previously loaded programs - perhaps it had crashed, and was removed from the list.
[23:21] <Brad450> ok my XFCE icons jsut disapeared with me just clicking on them lol so did places whats happening
[23:25] <disassembler> i'm a new linux user and i'm having some problems with my desktop. i was wondering if someone could help me figure this out.
[23:25] <Brad450> iam having problems too maybe we can help each other out
[23:26] <disassembler> my app and workspace bars aren't loading just the background and the icons on the desktop.
[23:26] <zoredache> disassembler: try pressing alt-f2' and running 'xfce4-panel'
[23:26] <disassembler> thanks. :]
[23:26] <Brad450> did you say something i accidentally closed my window
[23:27] <disassembler> Brad450: yeah. "my app and workspace bars aren't loading just the background and the icons on the desktop."
[23:28] <Brad450> lol i seem to have the exact problem just that my icons and ¨places¨ are gone
[23:28] <Brad450> toolbar fine tho
[23:28] <zoredache> Brad450: gone from where?  the desktop?
[23:28] <disassembler> yeah.
[23:28] <disassembler> i'm not sure why they disappeared.
[23:28] <Brad450> ya i zoredache i asked you this like 2 days ago you never answered
[23:29] <disassembler> zoredache: thanks! it worked they're back!
[23:29] <zoredache> Brad450: did you?  try doing an alt-f2 and running 'xfdesktop'
[23:29] <Brad450> ???
[23:29] <Brad450> you mean with in my desktop??
[23:29] <disassembler> brad450: try that it works.
[23:30] <zoredache> he needs to work on not closing his windows
[23:30] <Brad450> sorry pidgin crashed
[23:31] <Brad450> what was that zoredache
[23:31] <disassembler_> "zoredache: Brad450: did you?  try doing an alt-f2 and running 'xfdesktop'"
[23:31] <zoredache> try doing an alt-f2 and running 'xfdesktop'
[23:31] <Brad450> whats xfdesktop
[23:32] <zoredache> the application that is responsible for desktop stuff
[23:32] <zoredache> if it isn't running, then you won't have a desktop
[23:32] <Brad450> can u give me a sudo code lol iam confused
[23:32] <Brad450> ok lol iam on xubuntu now lol
[23:33] <disassembler_> one other thing i'm not sure how to do on linux is compiling packages that don't have a .deb extension.
[23:33] <zoredache> press alt-f2
[23:33] <Brad450> like its what iam using
[23:33] <zoredache> then type the pits in quotes 'xfdesktop' and hit run
[23:33] <Brad450> ok that did appsolutally nothing lol
[23:33] <Brad450> alt-f2 does nada
[23:34] <zoredache> oh?
[23:34] <zoredache> can you start a terminal then?
[23:34] <Brad450> ya sure
[23:34] <zoredache> try running 'xfdesktop &' in a terminal
[23:35] <Brad450> can you give a sudo code for that please iam new to the whole linux thing lol
[23:35] <zoredache> you don't need sudo for that, infact if you try and do that with sudo it will screw things up
[23:35] <zoredache> 'xfdesktop &' is the entire command
[23:36] <Brad450> ok my icons poped up for like a split second then vanished again
[23:36] <DaemonFC> I've so far filed 7 bugs on Jaunty
[23:36] <DaemonFC> and have been using it 1 day
[23:36] <DaemonFC> heh
[23:36] <DaemonFC> one got fixed the same day
[23:37] <zoredache> where there any errors displayed in the terminal?
[23:37] <DaemonFC> "GRUB cannot boot XFS"
[23:37] <DaemonFC> it can now B-)
[23:37] <R1cochet> Laughing Out Loud
[23:37] <Brad450> it gave me this [1] 6131
[23:37] <R1cochet> whats XFS?
[23:37] <DaemonFC> fastest file system on Linux
[23:38] <DaemonFC> :D
[23:38] <Brad450> brad450@PS3-LINUX:~$ xfdesktop &
[23:38] <Brad450> [1] 6131
[23:38] <Brad450> brad450@PS3-LINUX:~$
[23:38] <Brad450> [1]+  Segmentation fault      xfdesktop
[23:38] <Brad450> brad450@PS3-LINUX:~$
[23:38] <R1cochet> like ext3?
[23:38] <DaemonFC> well, fastest one that isn't completely experimental
[23:38] <zoredache> Brad450: hrm... so xfdesktop is craching for some reason...  that doesn't sound good...
[23:38] <DaemonFC> XFS is 15 years old and still happily eats Ext4 for breakfast
[23:38] <disassembler_> has anyone used the enlightenment desktop environment?
[23:39] <brandonban6> DaemonFC, what standards are used to measure FS speeds?
[23:39] <disassembler_> is it a lot faster than xfce?
[23:39] <R1cochet> so then i could install linux on an XFS drive just fine?
[23:39] <Brad450> well ive installed it 3 times on my PS3 with the same problem all the time
[23:39] <R1cochet> disassembler i tried it recently
[23:39] <R1cochet> OZos
[23:39] <zoredache> DaemonFC: where are you getting your speed numbers?  I believe I saw an article suggesting that ext3 was ok or better for some types of workloads
[23:39] <DaemonFC> brandonban: Fastest for creating, mounting, and checking the file system, fastest reads and write for files above 500 megs, and usually the fastest on file operations with smaller files than that
[23:40] <R1cochet> looks nice but found it a lil diff to navigate around and the network manager sucked
[23:40] <DaemonFC> XFS also wastes almost no space, less than 0.5% of the volume
[23:40] <DaemonFC> Ext3 wastes about 8%
[23:40] <DaemonFC> if you con't count the additional 5% reserved blocks :D
[23:41] <Brad450> zoredache: whats going on man you have any clue what this might be???
[23:41] <R1cochet> i only see 8.10 on ubuntu site not jaunty
[23:41] <zoredache> Brad450: no idea
[23:41] <DaemonFC> that's cause Jaunty isn't released
[23:41] <DaemonFC> I'm using the Alpha
[23:41] <disassembler_> jaunty comes out in april.
[23:41] <Brad450> know someone who might??
[23:41] <zoredache> R1cochet: jaunty is still alpha, you can download an iso from the testing pages
[23:42] <disassembler_> zoredache: how is it?
[23:42] <R1cochet> ahh ok thank you
[23:42] <DaemonFC> well, I'd advise against running the Alpha unless you're OK with some bugs ;)
[23:42] <DaemonFC> it seems to have calmed down a bit, but there's still some regular crashers
[23:42] <R1cochet> nope just wondering cuz i hear peeps talking bout using but couldnt find it on dl pag
[23:42] <R1cochet> page*
[23:43] <zoredache> Brad450: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=31876 maybe?
[23:43] <Brad450> zoredache: would it be possible to intall gnome without reinstalled the whole system???
[23:43] <DaemonFC> I switched to the alpha today cause the installer from todays daily build is the first Ubuntu release that can have XFS on /boot B-)
[23:43] <DaemonFC> with no workarounds
[23:43] <zoredache> Brad450: search google for 'xfdesktop segmentation fault' and try and work through what people suggest
[23:44] <zoredache> Brad450: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' to add the gnome enviroment
[23:44] <Brad450> ok ty
[23:44] <Brad450> ill try it
[23:45] <disassembler_> is there anything i can do to permanently fix my desktop situation. pressing alt+f2 and running xfce4-panel fixes it, but the panels go away when i log in again or restart. :[
[23:45] <Brad450> will i be able to stay in pidgin while its changing environments?
[23:46] <zoredache> disassembler_: try deleting everything in ~/.cache/sessions/
[23:46] <disassembler_> ah, how do i do that? :]
[23:47] <Brad450> zoredache: will the problem be brought over to gnome or would it like completetly chage everything
[23:47] <zoredache> Brad450: no idea
[23:47] <zoredache> disassembler_: one way would be to run a command like this rm ~/.cache/sessions/
[23:48] <disassembler_> okay. i'll try that.
[23:48] <zoredache> disassembler_: correction rm ~/.cache/sessions/*
[23:48] <disassembler_> zoredache: thanks.
[23:49] <Brad450> i recently updated the system its like the first thing i did and thats what the guy in the post you sent me said what he did iam thinking it was related. are any of the XFDE files being braight over to GNOME or just system files?
[23:50] <Brad450> hey zoredache: my terminal is stuck at ¨86% [waiting for headers] this normal
[23:50] <R1cochet> sometimes it may stick for a while but will resume
[23:51] <Brad450> k ty rico
[23:51] <Brad450> lol for all you regular IRC users : thhis is my first session lol
[23:51] <zoredache> Brad450: it means the mirror apt selected is being slow....
[23:52] <Brad450> ok ty zoredache: whats your name from lol
[23:52] <Brad450> ok its resumed
[23:52] <Brad450> 90
[23:52] <Brad450> 01
[23:52] <Brad450> 91*
[23:54] <DaemonFC> http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3826/screenshot2.jpg
[23:54]  * _Pete_ goes bed to se lol dream
[23:54] <DaemonFC> My Xubuntu Jaunty :P
[23:55] <Brad450> hey zoredache: gnome will work on the PS3? do you know if its slow?
[23:55] <zoredache> no idea...
[23:56] <zoredache> it may work...
[23:56] <DaemonFC> Brad450: I wouldn't
[23:56] <Brad450> to my knowledge its like PPC64 what u think?
[23:58] <Brad450> can you send a jped threw IRC
[23:58] <Brad450> ***JPEG
[23:59] <Brad450> ???
[23:59] <Brad450> ??
[23:59] <zoredache> it is possible, but not easy
[23:59] <DaemonFC> Brad450: The PS3 has 192 megs of system RAM available for the guest OS
[23:59] <DaemonFC> I wouldn't use GNOME
[23:59] <zoredache> both the sender and reciever must support ctcp
[23:59] <disassembler> zoredache: can you send that command again? i'm on linux now.
[23:59] <Brad450> please explain i want to show you my background ( for some reason)