=== bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [07:11] Good morning [07:11] good morning pitti [07:13] xhaker: seems that asac already replied to the firefox translation problem? [07:13] asac, bryce: this deletion came from Debian, so was semi-automatically [07:14] hey mnemo! [07:14] pitti: yes asac noted that. I think we sorted it out though. xtrace seems to have superseded xmon [07:15] although it's not clear if maybe xmon was still worth keeping, but I'll leave that to asac to say [07:56] good morning [08:14] hi. what's the WM_CLASS of the notify-osd popups? [08:14] or any other thing i can use to match in ccsm? === BugMaN1 is now known as BugMaN [08:17] hyperair: maybe you can use "xprop | grep WM_CLASS" and then point to the notification window in order to find out? [08:18] mnemo: doesn't work. [08:18] mnemo: i tried, and it went right through to the window underneath [08:20] mvo: Hi :) seb128 told me "ok" yesterday in respond to what I pasted to you [08:24] didrocks: ok, doing it now === eeejay is now known as eeejay_afk [08:25] hyperair: try "xlsclients -l" and find the app hosting the popups, then use "xwininfo -name BLAH" to find the window id, and finally do "xprop -id WIN_ID" [08:25] hmm okay.. [08:25] mvo: thanks :) [08:26] hello there [08:26] bonjour seb128 [08:26] guten tag pitti [08:27] how are you? [08:27] seb128: grumpy at the retracers which broke again... investigating [08:27] seb128: but in general, well [08:27] but horribly behind on TODO and email [08:27] * seb128 knows this feeling [08:28] I ought to not sync any email and not look at IRC for two days and catch up with everything [08:28] I spent my day cleaning evolution bugs yesterday I think that was productive, I managed to get upstream to fix some of the issues directly after doing IRC debugging [08:28] rocking [08:28] seb128: that didn't happen to include fixing google calendar by any chance? :-) [08:29] no, that one is known to be buggy and not trivial work [08:29] I don't see the gcal entries at all any more, neither in clock nor in evo itself [08:29] seb128: I guess they just disabled it for now until it's fixed, to avoid the hangs? [08:30] retracers> oh, loks like launchpad rollout [08:30] I don't know, I would have to check, the jaunty hang which has been fixed was a one liner bug fix to not do buggy libical calls [08:30] pitti: ah right that would explain that [08:31] lots of LaunchpadURLError [08:33] mnemo: i nailed the issue with name=notify-osd =p [08:33] mnemo: thanks for your help [08:33] np [08:34] mnemo: notify-osd was transitioning out twice. one by notify-osd, one by compiz [08:34] hey seb128 :) [08:35] didrocks: hello [08:40] seb128: we are still in soft-freeze, right? no sposnoring ... [08:40] mvo: indeed, at least no CD sponsoring [08:42] thanks [08:42] bryce: i cannot say. i didnt get xmon to work ;) ... and xtrace doesnt follow forks ;) [08:43] ArneGoetje: have you figured why current langpacks are borked? [08:43] e.g. for mozilla: -fi -> empty, -pt -> no pt-PT, etc. [08:44] i looked into it yesterday and found a few issues that can be improvd in po2xpi transformer, but in general i think it must be kind of base vs. incremental export thing [08:59] * asac gets a tea [09:20] vuntz: hello [09:29] asac: Hey, I managed to understand a bug I have since some weeks with firefox, but it's a bit weird and I wanted to check with you whether it makes sense to track it in launchpad: I open middle-click in a fresh tab to load an URL, then I switch back to some other app with alt-tab because I know it will take some time to load [09:30] asac: If I'm too quick, middle-mouse-click is followed closely by and firefox opens the "Save as" dialog and offers me to save the page at the URL as a .html [09:31] I suspect the events are reordered (I open have this problem when I type in a terminal e.g. « " » + middle-click to paste + « " » => « "" » instead of « "" » [09:32] asac: Does that sound like something useful to report to firefox? or to xorg? perhaps it's expected behavior that these events are in two queues and might mix [09:32] I had in mind that perhaps firefox could check whether the alt modifier is set in the middle-click event, but I don't know whether the info is present [09:36] lool: sounds a bit related to the "random menu item activated" bug we have [09:36] though middle mouse is a bit unsure [09:37] lool: why is it important to have middle mouse followed by ALT in your case? [09:38] lool: maybe you use "middle mouse button emulation" and in fact its right click? [09:38] asac: As I was saying, I often paste into a new tab and switch back to the app (usually a terminal, for instance my mail reader), with alt-tab [09:39] asac: Emulate3Buttons is indeed turned on, but I'm using the real middle mouse button (I'm on a thinkpad which has both a three buttons and a two buttons mouse) [09:40] lool: heh. i think i could reproduce ;) [09:40] Cool [09:42] thats really annoying [09:43] again i need a good xevent tracer [09:43] asac: There was this X proxy [09:43] asac: I think it's xtrace [09:43] xtrace seems to be the new hot thing [09:43] but that doesnt support -f (like strace) [09:44] so firefox just forks away [09:44] and no events are ever retrieved [09:44] xtrace is actually an old thing, it used ot be broken for me, but it was updated recently [09:44] also has no pid or windowid option :( [09:44] Can't you run the firefox bin directly, disregarding any running firefox? [09:44] could be. ... seems that debian thinks it superseeded xmon ... and removed it [09:45] Hmm I used to use xmon too I think, blah [09:45] lool: no. it always forks on startup [09:45] dont ask me why [09:45] i needed to use -f since ever with strace ;) [09:46] lool: i have xmon now ... do you know how i can simply monitor a process for X events ;)? [09:46] Weird, I wouldn't expect a fork to help startup time [09:46] like button/key [09:46] the UI is really complex [09:46] No, I don't recall at all :-) [09:47] well. if you start early ;) the process is still small [09:47] fork early i mean [09:48] the reason they do that is that they need to restart ffox in case there are component/chrome/extension updates [09:48] at least i would think thats the reason ;) [10:03] lool: so you are right. the openUILink stuff is used generic fashion and if there is "alt" it will save [10:04] but there is a "true" for ignoreAlt to prevent that [10:04] strange that it hits the case anyway [10:07] lool: are you using ffox 3.0 or 3.1? [10:07] asac: 3.0 [10:11] lool: please replace your browser.jar with http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/browser.jar [10:11] and use it for a while [10:11] hopefully its gone [10:12] its in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.*/chrome/ [10:12] Will try [10:18] filed mozilla bug 480290 [10:18] Mozilla bug 480290 in Tabbed Browser "with openurl on middlemouse paste followed by "Alt" key quickly triggers file save dialog" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480290 [10:21] ok pach attached [10:43] seb128: do you need more input/help on the evolution network-manager integration thing? not sure if you said that upstream is on it now or not. [10:44] asac: it's fixed to svn and I verified the fix [10:44] asac: I told you on IRC yesterday but you probably didn't notice ;-) [10:47] seb128: great [11:14] hmm, my keyring stuff is still borked after rebooting [11:25] seb128, thanks for gwibber! [11:25] fta: you're welcome, thanks to slangasek who double check too to make sure it was ok since that was after the freeze now ;-) [11:28] nice, hot-logging in gnome takes only 5s now [11:28] seb128, excellent. I'm sorry it took 3 rounds to let it pass but now it's history ;) [11:33] fta: that's ok [11:40] we love gwibber :-) [11:41] indeed! [11:41] * seb128 lucnh [11:41] lunch [11:41] bbl [11:43] bbl [12:01] does anyone know how the indicator-applet is supposed to work? [12:01] i've got.. indicator-applet, evolution-indicator, both enabled, and all i see is "No Indicators" [12:14] hyperair: you need to add the indicator to your panel [12:16] hyperair: make sure also to disable the old mail notification plugin in evolution, or you'll get notifications twice, and one of them will display in a dialog box at that... [12:32] davidbarth: for me there is no icon nor text next to the indicator applet grib in panel [12:45] asac, hyperair: the indicator only appears when you have a new message and the application is not focused [12:46] asac, hyperair: ie, if you have evolution opened and focused, the indicator applet will never annoy you with something you already know [12:54] asac: i've added the indicator applet to my panel [12:54] i mean [12:54] davidbarth: ^ [12:54] and the indicator applet says "No Indicators" [12:55] also i have the notification plugin enabled [12:55] and it pops up the icon [12:55] basically i've got the window de-focused [12:55] and the indicator applet says "No indicators" [12:55] even when i've got new mail [13:04] good morning all [13:05] morning [13:06] hey kenvandine[work] [13:07] asac: I didn't know mozilla translations were broken until you mentioned it. [13:08] asac: only in Jaunty or also Hardy and Intrepid? === eeejay_afk is now known as eeejay [13:27] ArneGoetje: i havent looked. not sure if you rolled them oput [13:27] ArneGoetje: so far i only heard of jaunty [13:27] ArneGoetje: check dpkg -L language-pack-pt | grep langpack.*mozi [13:27] ArneGoetje: and dpkg -L language-pack-fi | grep langpack.*mozi [13:27] and -base [13:38] asac: the -pt ones have been changed from pt_PT -> pt [13:38] asac: fi should be there though... [13:40] ArneGoetje: so what i found out is that previously to jaunty we had pt-BR.po and pt.po ... now we have pt-PT.po on top [13:40] however, that didnt cause the issue; the po2xpi processor had a bug, but that shouldnt have led to the removal [13:40] same for es*.po [13:40] we should tell jtv about those bogus exports [13:41] ArneGoetje: what we need is a log [13:41] ArneGoetje: from the langpack-o-matic run of po2xpi [13:41] maybe the problem is also related to base vs. update export [13:43] asac: langpack-o-matic -> pitti. he knows more about that. [13:43] pitti: ^^ [13:44] asac: I just approved your xulrunner fi upload. [13:44] ArneGoetje: my? [13:44] asac: yep. [13:44] i didnt upload anything for ages [13:44] asac: it was stuck in the queue... [13:44] hmm [13:45] asac: ha... tha's why fi is missing... [13:45] ArneGoetje: dont you preserve logs for runs? [13:45] ArneGoetje: dont understand. its just a langpack update; the old bits should still be there? [13:45] asac: we do [13:45] but could be of course [13:45] but pt-PT is still a mystery [13:45] ArneGoetje: can you get that log? [13:46] asac: fi was stuck in the import queue, if that one is not approved, newer updates won't go in either. [13:46] * ArneGoetje is looking [13:54] asac: right... fi is broken, pt and es are missing... I will investigate [13:55] ArneGoetje: do you merge the base + incremental tarballs? otherwise please check whether there are really three pt.*po in the incremental pack [13:55] maybe its just pt-BR - which might cause the po2xpi converter to run into troubles [13:57] ArneGoetje: maybe you have added some santizing code that removes the bogus exports for pt and es and other? [13:57] ArneGoetje: which causes the mozilla files to be removed by accident? [14:01] asac: no, I think that was my mistake when importing them in the first place... because Rosetta asks me which language the xpi should be imported into. For pt-PT I chose pt_PT and not pt, like I should... same for es-ES: should have gone into es, but went into es_ES [14:01] ArneGoetje: well. as i said, i ran the po2xpi processor on the full export and it had no issues with fi nor pt [14:02] will ask jtv to marge those back where they belong. [14:02] its just that we have pt-PT and pt in there now ;) [14:02] /marge/merge [14:02] but that doesnt hurt. the files that are produced are definitly not in the packages ... so if you have logs i can see whether the problem is before quickly [14:04] asac: yep, according to the log, they were not in the updates tarball [14:08] asac: I will ask jtv [14:09] ArneGoetje: could be that pt.po didnt change while pt-BR.po did [14:09] asac: yes [14:09] ArneGoetje: i think lang-pack-o-matic would need some magic to merge missing sub-langs from the base tarball [14:09] asac: that's why they have to be merged [14:09] right ;) [14:09] ArneGoetje: but why the hell did this start to happen now? [14:09] ArneGoetje: you need to merge them in langpack-o-matic i think [14:10] dont wait for launchpad ... that will probably take too long ;) [14:11] ArneGoetje: also the -base packages are empty wrt to mozilla [14:11] maybe thats the real problem here [14:11] and we just need to force another full export? [14:12] asac: we will have a new full export before release, but if we need one earlier, I can request one. [14:13] ArneGoetje: so if fi.po is missing in the partial export and the pt + es things too [14:13] ArneGoetje: then please request one [14:13] asac: ok [14:13] sounds unnecessary risky to wait until last export before release [14:13] thanks [14:14] lets do that then and see how well it works out ;) [14:14] asac: ok [14:14] if fixed po2xpi to properly dfeal with the "bad" exports. so that shouldnt be a problem either === pochu_ is now known as pochu [14:32] mvo: Around? Not very interesting but this merge into compiz https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lool/compiz/ubuntu/+merge/1869 is open since November O:-) [14:33] pitti: your camera issue is bug #326029 [14:33] Launchpad bug 326029 in gvfs "gvfs-gphoto2 mount 4 devices when plugin one camera" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326029 [14:42] lool: *cough* I merge it now [14:42] lool: I think I did something wrong with LP, I want to get mails for merging proposals, but I don#t get them [14:44] mvo: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~compiz/compiz/ubuntu/+addsubscriber [14:44] add yourself or compiz packagers there [14:44] and choose the type of mails you want [14:45] the defaults are probably what you want [14:45] I believe the branch owner is now subscribed by default, but I don't think that was retro-active [14:47] james_w: aha, ok. thanks a lot [14:47] james_w: I do that for all my projects now [14:51] lool: merged, sorry for the delay [14:55] * hyperair wonders if there will be a way to configure notify-osd to allow actions/custom timeouts/whatever in the future [14:56] mvo: that's fine; FYI there's another merge pending [14:56] not by me though [14:57] james_w: ah it's not the default [15:01] Weird, I see Default Review Team compiz packagers, I'd expect these to receive a note [15:03] lut huats [15:03] hello seb128 [15:03] huats: how are you? [15:04] seb128: a bit better... but not that weel yet :( [15:04] how are you ? [15:04] huats: oh what do you have? I just though you were busy due to work change [15:04] huats: good thank you [15:04] busy and sick :( [15:04] (fever and all that nice things) [15:04] take care then [15:05] I am trying to recover :) [15:05] I think I will ask for a FF for anjuta [15:05] I can grant freeze exception for desktop component in universe so it's granted [15:06] mvo: Sorry to bother again, I'm going through old team merge requests I got: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~brian-thomason/app-install-data-commercial/partner/+merge/1658 can't find the missing revs though, and you seem to know this branch; mind having a look? [15:06] ok thanks :) [15:06] hum ? [15:07] huats: what? [15:07] seb128: there was a graphical glitch with previous lool msg but it is ok :) [15:08] * lool glitches [15:08] ;) [15:08] mvo: How did you make out with the adding the protobuf dependencies for Compiz? [15:09] Need testing for your PPA? [15:10] lool: thanks, merging that too [15:11] dashua: I put it into my ~mvo ppa for now along with a compiz version that has some profiling output. if you want to run it, that is very welcome, for me it gives ~2s startup time (with protobuf and cache) compared to 3s without [15:12] dashua: that sounds encouraging, unfortunately some other things in libcompizconfig changed (notably global.xml got removed) so updating is a bit of owrk because our default options need now applied as indivial pactches on the core, plugins-main,extra packages [15:12] (profiling information is printed on stdout) [15:13] Ah, alright. Maybe a future endeavor then? [15:13] Sounds like a lot of extra work for a sec =/ [15:15] dashua: I have a fast machine, I happy to do the work if its worthwhile especially on lower end machines [15:16] My laptop is fast as well, so this may make a big difference on a lower end box. [15:16] seb128: jcastro said you guys decided at the sprint to revert that horizontal volume slider [15:16] Ok cool :) [15:16] and at some point the needs needs to be done anyway. so I'm leaning toward adding it, but I wait for futher feedback [15:16] seb128: is there an open bug to do that? [15:17] mvo: I'll uninstall master and test your packages later on :) [15:17] thanks dashua :) [15:17] Np [15:17] kenvandine[work]: we decided that? [15:17] according to jcastro [15:17] jcastro: ^^ [15:17] kenvandine[work]: we decide to use the alsa, gstreamer controls and not the new pulseaudio ones [15:17] decided [15:18] which we did [15:18] gnome-volume-control is the intrepid version [15:18] we rolled back the gnome-settings-daemon volume actions [15:18] we build gnome-sound-properties [15:18] and we don't build the new notification area control but the gnome-applets volume applet rather [15:18] upstream did some changes to the look and feel of this one this cycle though [15:19] ie, changed the orientation and added the button [15:19] I'm not decided if that's worth changing back [15:19] the issue we had was to let users run alsa only if they want [15:19] not to fight every ui change [15:19] does what I write make sense? ;-) [15:19] yes [15:20] I'm open to discussion about changing the slider [15:20] I think upstream did the change to add the volume control button and mute box [15:20] yeah... it feels awkward to me [15:20] IMHO there's no reason to deviate from that [15:20] but completely convinced it is wrong [15:21] whoops [15:21] kenvandine[work]: maybe you can open a gnome-applets bug on bugzilla about that? [15:21] but not completely convinced it is wrong [15:21] one issue we have with the new one is that it goes out of screen if placed near a border [15:21] if that's going to be reverted, then it should happen upstream, yes [15:21] seb128: I think that was fixed [15:21] wait, so is the new slider horizontal or vertical? [15:21] I had that problem, and it's gone now [15:21] pitti: oh indeed [15:21] jcastro: horizontal [15:21] pitti: I didn't try for a while but you are right [15:22] * seb128 goes to close the bug [15:22] ♪ another one bites the dust ♫ ♬ [15:22] :) [15:22] pitti: indeed ;-) [15:22] horizontal feels awkward to me... but i am tainted from years of vertical [15:23] it is nice to have mute and volume controls button there on a left click [15:23] people struggle knowing when to right click imho [15:23] like i said... i am not convinced [15:23] right, that's why they did the change [15:23] jcastro: what do you think? should we open a bug upstream for more discussion? [15:23] I think calum did that [15:23] * kenvandine[work] knows jcastro always has opinions [15:24] if we feel strongly, sure [15:24] "we" being? [15:24] * kenvandine[work] doesn't feel strongly [15:24] what do you think seb? [15:24] we didn't get any user complain so far out of the "out of screen" issue which is fixed now [15:24] I think I don't use this applet [15:24] I use the mouse scroll on the icon not the slider [15:24] people were complaining about it the first time. [15:24] they were complaining about it getting out of screen rather [15:25] seb128: i didn't know that worked! [15:25] though tbh I started using my wheel on my keyboard so I can see the new notification bling. [15:25] awesome [15:25] kenvandine[work]: that works on app volume controls too (totem, etc.) [15:25] should we see the notify-osd if we use the mouse scrollwheel over it? [15:25] I'm not sure [15:26] * kenvandine[work] thinks we should... but we don't [15:26] I think that's rather a power user thing and they might not like getting too much visual noise [15:26] true, it isn't obvious [15:26] but it is the only way those of us without multimedia keyboards can get the bling :) [15:26] but i don't really care much :) [15:27] hehe [15:27] i guess i will when i get that new t400... can't wait! [15:28] seb128: do you generally use rythmbox? [15:28] when I listen to music on the computer yes [15:28] i hate that word... i never spell it right [15:28] why? [15:28] seb128: does it stutter to you when you do things that spike the cpu? [15:29] no [15:29] i never use it, but in my notify-osd testing i noticed it stutters a fair bit when i alt-tab with compiz on [15:29] but banshee doesn't [15:29] bug #193578 [15:29] Launchpad bug 193578 in xorg "Scrolling Firefox interrupts Rhythmbox audio" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193578 [15:29] try enabling the crossfading option maybe [15:29] in rb? [15:29] I think that's suggested in this bug, that will change buffering [15:29] yes [15:29] ah [15:30] you can also try without pulseaudio, that's another cause of frequent issues [15:30] it'll almost certainly work without pusle [15:30] plain alsa never caused me such problems :/ [15:31] ok, enabling crossfading did help [15:31] seb128: I heard a couple of grumbles about the horizontal orientation. Nothing on the level of some of the other changes though :-) [15:31] i wonder if we should enable that by default, just to improve the user experience [15:32] that stutter sucks... not that i ever plan to use rb more than just testing stuff :) [15:32] * kenvandine[work] hugs his banshee [15:32] kenvandine[work]: look at crossfading bugs, there was some side effects issues [15:32] * pitti hugs rhythmbox [15:32] * kenvandine[work] looks [15:32] * seb128 hugs rhythmbox [15:32] ha... we all have opinions [15:32] I hate banshee [15:32] i hate rb :) [15:32] I can see where this conversation is headed ... [15:32] for whatever reason it's started when doube clicking on a ogv on my new desktop [15:32] jcastro: you gotta chime in [15:32] I opened it by mistake twice this week [15:33] then closed it immediatly [15:33] to notice later that it didn't close [15:33] seb128: yeah... we should change that [15:33] it is registered to handle videos [15:33] the stupid thing understand close as go to notification area [15:33] but if we ship totem, we don't want that [15:33] in foresight i have a patch to make it not register as the default for videos [15:33] well, we can tweak the defaults.list to make totem default [15:33] i already have a patch :) [15:34] i will open a bug and attach a debdiff :) [15:34] the defaults.list is in desktop-file-utils [15:34] ok thanks [15:34] isn't defaults.list modified when apps are installed? [15:34] no [15:34] depending on mime data... in the .desktop [15:34] the cache is updated when app are installed [15:34] right [15:34] ok [15:35] seb128: btw [15:35] so my patch will work [15:35] hey vuntz! [15:35] the defaults.list is a way to say "if several alternative are listed prefer this one" [15:35] seb128: did you see the thread sbrabec started about generating defaults.list? [15:35] vuntz: hey [15:35] vuntz: no [15:35] kenvandine[work]: hello there [15:35] vuntz: makes me think I need to try this gnome-panel patch to see if it fixes my xrandr intel issue ;-) [15:35] seb128: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2009-February/010208.html [15:35] vuntz: I knew that was your fault ;-) [15:36] vuntz: I'm subscribed to the list but I tend to not read everything, reading the mail now [15:36] seb128: you mean killal gnome-panel after you increase screen resolution, to make the panel follow suit? [15:37] pitti: right [15:37] \o/ [15:37] pitti: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-panel?view=revision&revision=11530 [15:37] seb128: actually, the latest panel patch shouldn't be needed [15:37] seb128: was a gtk+ bug [15:37] seb128: I'll revert this in 2.27 [15:38] vuntz: right I read the comment but it's faster to build gnome-panel than gtk ;-) [15:38] (don't want to revert just before 2.26) [15:38] * seb128 hates the debian gtk build [15:38] it's building [15:38] and then building static [15:38] and then building directfb [15:38] ... [15:39] building this package seems so fun... (hi vuntz) :) [15:51] Guys will notifyOSD get plugged into totem at all? [15:52] davmor2: does totem send any notications now? [15:53] kenvandine[work]: I don't think so which is odd in itself considering most media apps do [15:54] totem isn't quite the same as banshee/rbox [15:54] totem is a video player [15:54] you don't play videos in the notification area usually [15:54] it's not a media library manager crackbox [15:54]