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LaneyI'll do another sponsorship round on Friday if nobody does it by then00:03
james_wdirecthex: I can't see them on the sponsorship list00:55
directhexgah, of course, bug 330519 is invisible now as all current components are Fix Released00:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 330519 in monodevelop-java "The road to Monodevelop 2.0" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33051900:57
directhexso it's not on the sponsor list anymore00:58
Laibschhi there01:00
nhandlerHello Laibsch01:00
Laibschsome kind soul around to help me understand why http://oss.leggewie.org/wip/scim_1.4.8-1.dsc fails to compile?01:01
LaibschThe error I get is http://rafb.net/p/bZhFkr75.html01:01
dtchenline 3001:04
dtchenkeep in mind you can use -rm to have the build not fail, or you can fix it properly.01:05
dtchen(e.g., -rm, rm -f, etc., etc.)01:05
Laibschyes, line 30 is clear01:05
LaibschBut the file is missing, I wonder why that is01:06
LaibschWhat I did is01:06
ajmitchbecause it was unnecessary?01:06
LaibschTake 1.4.7 (current Debian source)01:06
LaibschOK01:06
LaibschLet me dig a bit into this01:06
ajmitchthat debian/rules looks to be just clearing up stray stuff that shouldn't be aroun, judging by the comments01:06
ajmitchmaybe 1.4.8 doesn't build that, or it places it in a different place01:07
LaibschHehe01:08
LaibschInteresting, I think I had rgrep for the file name before01:08
LaibschAnd found nothing01:08
leonelscottK   clamav 0.95 rc was released as you already know .. any test ? for backports ??01:48
leonelscottK I'll check if there's any cve open ..01:48
ScottKleonel: We need to fix it for Jaunty first.01:48
ScottKleonel: There won't be in the RC.  They'll hold the CVE for the final.01:48
leonelscottK ok01:49
ScottKleonel: Lots of porting work to do https://wiki.clamav.net/Main/UpgradeNotes09501:49
leonelOUCH !01:50
ScottKYeah.01:51
phil_ps1hello, I know is during a freeze, I have made a patch that makes glife compile again02:13
phil_ps1it is my first patch and I need help submitting it02:13
ScottKphil_ps1: Is there a bug about this problem?02:14
phil_ps1yes02:14
phil_ps1I submitted the patch to the bug02:14
ScottKSubscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.02:14
phil_ps1ScottK: ahh, I see02:15
phil_ps1done02:15
phil_ps1what will happen next?02:16
ScottKThe various people who review those bugs will get to it at some point and then they will either upload it or give you feedback on what else needs to be done to get it ready.02:20
phil_ps1ScottK: okay, thanks02:22
ScottKphil_ps1: You're welcome.  phil_ps1 thank you for showing up to contribute to make Ubuntu better.02:24
artfwoHello! May I ask, is it okay to use "debian/tmp/usr/..." lines in package.install? Or is it better to specify DHINSTALL_SOURCEDIR and prefix occasional exceptions with "../../"?02:44
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RAOFLaney: Ping, re: gnome-do.03:51
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savvastonyyarusso: ok :) please do so as soon as possible, I was hoping it could be done for jaunty, since kompozer is a mess as it is now (segmentation faults etc)05:22
tonyyarussosavvas: I'll do my best.05:23
savvasthanks!05:23
tonyyarussoWe're already past feature freeze of course, but I suppose it would be likely to qualify for an exception.05:23
savvasok05:24
savvasdoes anyone know what's the difference between jaunty-alternate-powerpc+ps3.iso  and jaunty-alternate-powerpc.iso ?05:24
StevenKI think the +ps3 iso has a few extra packages and such like to deal with the PS305:28
savvasthanks :)05:29
dholbachgood morning05:41
StevenKdholbach: Er, why did you ack bug 333573 when someone else commented that it doesn't build ... ?05:47
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/333573/+text)05:47
dholbachhang on05:47
dholbachStevenK: because it was said "doesn't built" about -205:48
dholbachStevenK: then the bug changed to -305:48
dholbachStevenK: and I tested it05:48
StevenKdholbach: I would prefer that was clear in the bug log.05:49
StevenKHmmm. Doesn't bug 334065 require an FFe?05:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334065 in libgems-ruby "Please sync libgems-ruby 1.3.1-1 from debian experimental" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33406505:50
dholbachStevenK: what do you want me to do now?05:50
StevenKdholbach: In regards to bug 333573? Nothing, I'll sync it.05:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 333573 in mumble "Please sync mumble 1.1.7-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33357305:50
dholbachgood05:50
dholbachthanks05:51
StevenKNo problem. :-)05:51
fabrice_spGood morning dholbach and StevenK ;-)05:52
* StevenK waves to fabrice_sp 05:52
dholbachhiya fabrice_sp05:53
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MOGUL-TECHhello06:34
fabrice_spHello MOGUL-TECH07:10
MOGUL-TECHit's like quiet this morning07:10
fabrice_spyep :-)07:11
fabrice_spEuropean not yet woke up (except somes :- )07:12
MOGUL-TECHtell me, according to your knowledge of linux distros which GUI between KDE and GNOME is the best ?07:14
MOGUL-TECHsorry to ask, but a lot of people saying that KDE is better because it's in QT and a lot of APPS are developped in QT.07:15
Toadstoolgood morning07:19
RAOFMOGUL-TECH: Very off topic for #ubuntu-motu.  Also, not really answerable.07:22
MOGUL-TECHsorry07:22
c_kornmok0: hello08:08
c_korndo you want to upload scilab and sivp?08:09
mok0c_korn: did jeuclid pass ?08:09
c_kornit is still in the jaunty queue. but I was said that scilab and sivp would just wait for the missing dependency08:10
mok0What about sivp, never heard about it08:10
mok0AFAIR08:10
c_kornit is Scilab Image Video Processing. it also needs to be updated (bug 334362). it build-depends on scilab-508:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334362 in scilab "FeatureFreezeException: Please update sivp 0.5.0 from REVU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33436208:12
c_kornit is already in debian. but there have been made some recent changes (by sylvestre ledru and me) which are not in debian yet. I attached a debdiff in my last comment08:13
mok0ok, I'll take a look. But there were some comments concerning jeuclid that concerned me08:14
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quadrispro superm1: around here?08:17
c_kornmok0: comments in the bug report? It was once rejected because I uploaded the wrong tarball which included files with licenses not mentioned in debian/copyright. but those files are not required anyway and are completely missing in the new tarball that is in jaunty queue atm?08:17
c_korn-?08:17
mok0c_korn: looking for it08:19
quadrisprosuperm1: I'm looking at ipod-convenience, do you know if we can move the Depends on libgpod3 to libgpod4?08:19
quadrisprohi mok008:19
quadrisprosuperm1: another thing, mythnettv-gui has been accepted by archive-admin but they rejected mythnettv, so now we have only the GUI in the repositories, and I think it could be a problem :)08:22
c_kornmok0: as I see the version 3.1.4 of jeuclid is already in debian. I can provide a debdiff (but pastebin.com is down). there were only some small changes about annotations which are useless anyway (sylvestre said)08:24
c_kornmok0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/123185/08:24
mok0c_korn: I thought it was something about copyright still not being quite right08:24
c_kornthis is the debdiff jeuclid-debian -> jeuclid in jaunty queue08:25
c_kornso jeuclid may also be synced now if that is easier08:26
mok0c_korn: Hm. Perhaps we should just ask for a sync08:26
mok0^08:26
mok0he08:26
mok0c_korn: what about sivp, that could be sync'ed too08:27
c_kornno, the debian package has some bugs08:27
c_kornthey were fixed by sylvestre and me yesterday08:28
mok0c_korn: oh08:28
mok0c_korn: and the fix is in your ppa?08:28
c_kornit is also on revu08:28
c_kornI also provided a debdiff08:28
c_kornsee my comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/334362/comments/1608:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 334362 in scilab "FeatureFreezeException: Please update sivp 0.5.0 from REVU" [Undecided,New]08:29
mok0c_korn: n/m, I can just fetch the source package from your PPA and fix the version string08:29
c_kornmok0: why not take the package from revu?08:30
c_kornthe package in the ppa has no complete changelog08:30
mok0c_korn: it's a new package in Ubuntu so it only should have 1 changelog entry08:31
mok0c_korn: but we also need a FFE for it08:32
c_kornhm, ok08:32
c_kornwell, there it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/33436208:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 334362 in scilab "FeatureFreezeException: Please update sivp 0.5.0 from REVU" [Undecided,New]08:32
mok0c_korn: yes, but it hasn't been acked08:32
c_kornhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/334362/comments/1508:32
c_kornneed two akcs?08:33
c_kornacks08:33
mok0no...08:33
c_kornso, it is ready to go?08:33
mok0ah, yes :-)08:34
mok0c_korn: but sivp needs scilab-5.1 is that right?08:34
c_kornscilab >5 to compile yes08:34
mok0c_korn: I'll process that first, then08:35
c_kornok08:35
c_kornmok0: what about jeuclid now? should I change the bug report to a sync report?08:37
mok0c_korn: I'll file a new one08:39
c_kornmok0: now I read you said sivp is a new package in ubuntu. that is not true there is sivp-4.x already in jaunty08:39
c_kornmok0: ok, thanks08:39
mok0I must have had a typo when I searched for sivp before08:39
c_kornmaybe svip? I always mistype it like that08:40
mok0he08:41
mok0bug 33476708:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334767 in ubuntu "Please sync jeuclid 3.1.4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33476708:41
c_kornok, thank you. has this also to be ACKed?08:43
mok0c_korn: There already is an ack somewhere08:44
mok0 #32617908:50
mok0 bug 32617908:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 326179 in Ubuntu Jaunty "FeatureFreezeException: Please sync jeuclid 3.1.4 from debian experimental" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32617908:50
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savvasmok0: is btk-core going to be removed?09:02
mok0savvas: already gone09:06
savvasmok0: great, so now all that remains is a powerpc build for bmpx :P09:06
mok0savvas: eerr??09:07
savvasmok0: sorry, forgot to mention, I was helping ScottK on the boost (1.34) -> boost1.35 transition09:08
mok0savvas: ah it's part of that stuff09:09
mok0savvas: what's involved in that transition? Change in API?09:09
iulianmok0: Re: bug #333639.  Bug-fix only releases don't need an exception.09:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 333639 in wxbanker "Please update wxbanker to 0.4.1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33363909:13
savvasmok0: no idea, but the developer of deluge said it's a "bad idea" :P09:14
mok0iulian: yeah I was overly cautions09:15
mok0cautious09:15
mok0iulian: can you give it back?09:16
iulianmok0: Would you like to take care of it?09:17
iulianI'll unsubscribe motu-release.09:18
mok0iulian: if you like09:18
mok0iulian: thx09:18
iulianDone, thank you.09:18
mok0iulian: ok09:18
EagleScreenhello11:08
EagleScreenubuntu-motu mail list is failing to me at remind me my password11:09
Laibschhttp://rafb.net/p/p2mP2T49.html: Hi, am I doing something wrong?  "puilder-dist create sid"11:35
LaibschI thought that was correct syntax.  I am running jaunty11:35
james_warguments are the other way round11:36
EagleScreeni am not sure if is possibñle to create a Sid enviroment11:37
EagleScreenyou have to create a squeeze enviroment, rename the .tar to sid and later run a pbuilder update to update it to sid11:38
james_wno, hang on11:38
james_wEagleScreen: you can11:38
james_wLaibsch: your paste doesn't match your comment11:38
Laibschjames_w: and?11:39
EagleScreenI can pass on my pbuilder config file11:39
LaibschThat command should be supported as well11:39
LaibschAnd of course I tried sid as well11:39
LaibschNothing seems to work which gets me thinking I must be doing something wrong11:40
* directhex uses a pbuilderrc & regular pbuilder11:40
directhexe.g. DIST=sid pbuilder update11:40
Laibschinteresting11:40
EagleScreenyes it is11:41
EagleScreencan anyone run DIST=sid pbuilder create?11:41
james_wLaibsch: it wasn't clear what you were trying to achieve11:41
LaibschOK11:44
Laibschjames_w: Does that work for you, am I doing anything wrong?11:44
EagleScreensudo DIST=jaunty pbuilder update works for me11:45
directhexEagleScreen, you need a custom pbuilderrc to allow it to work11:45
EagleScreenyes I know, i have it configured11:46
Laibschdirecthex: Where is the documentation for that?11:49
jpdsNafallo: (I thought you did... :/)11:50
Nafallojpds: ?11:50
directhexLaibsch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto11:50
sistpoty|workhi folks11:53
Laneypbuilder-dist FOR EVAR12:01
Laneypbuilder vanilla FOR NEVAR12:01
* directhex pats Laney on the head12:02
hanskaLaney: wtf pbuilder-dist? :P12:03
Laneyhanska: it's a sweet way of managing multiple pbuilders12:04
Laneypbuilder-sid build foo.dsc12:04
Laneypbuilder-jaunty-i386 update12:04
hanskaLaney: uh, nice12:04
Laneyetc12:04
hanskaLaney: I make that with some aliases :P12:04
Laneypbuilder-dist uses symlinks12:04
Laibschhanska: Are you on Jaunty?12:05
hanskaLaibsch: nope, Debian.12:05
james_wdirecthex: monodevelop-boo is done, correct?12:05
LaibschOK12:05
hanskaLaney: ah, I'll check it. From pbuilder package?12:05
james_wyou added a .changes for it with a comment after it was apparently uploaded, which confuses me slightly12:05
james_whanska: no, it's in ubuntu-dev-tools12:05
hanskajames_w: why don't you send a patch to pbuilder guys to include that? Sounds useful12:07
directhexjames_w, yes, all done other than monodevelop-debugger-*12:07
james_wdirecthex: cool12:07
james_whanska: I see no problem with that12:07
directhexjames_w, but afaik someone wanted to update the boo version (perhaps in debian) and it's not abi comp12:07
hanskajames_w: s/you/"generic" you/12:07
james_whanska: there's less of a need for Debian to have it because it's generally just sid that is needed, but it would be good to have it there12:08
hanskajames_w: not really, I currently have sid, squeeze, lenny and jaunty cowbuilders.12:08
james_whanska: but you're special :-p12:09
directhexbecause hanska is one of these sexy collaborative types ;)12:09
james_wexactly, and we should encourage that12:09
savvasdoes anyone know if Greek (Ancient) is deprecated?12:09
james_whanska: I give you bug 161068 as evidence that I agree with you12:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 161068 in ubuntu-dev-tools "Should pbuilder-dist be in a different package?" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16106812:09
savvasI can't see it in the languages anymore12:09
directhexsavvas, is ancient greek deprecated? do i need to draw you a diagram? it involves naked men with beards12:10
james_wLaibsch: bug 33484812:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334848 in ubuntu-dev-tools "[Jaunty] pbuilder-dist does not recognize any distributions at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33484812:10
Laibschjames_w: Hehe, so you did find the bug I just created five minutes ago? ;-)12:11
james_woops :-)12:11
savvasdirecthex: No offense, but I have jaunty and I don't see it as an option in the System > Administration > Language support > Install/ Remove languages12:12
savvasdirecthex: whereas it was an option in intrepid, that's why I'm asking12:13
james_wLaibsch: "which pbuilder-dist"?12:13
Laibsch /usr/bin/pbuilder-dist12:16
Laibschhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/ubuntu-dev-tools/filelist12:16
james_wjust checking :-012:17
james_wI can't see what's wrong12:17
slytherinany one free enough to do a small change to libdvdread packaging? The bug is not critical, so please reply only if you have nothing better to do.12:17
james_wLaibsch: can you add "set -x" to the top of the script and re-run?12:17
LaibschYou want the output as a pastebin?12:18
slytherinis there any variable in rules which will have the value of package name?12:19
hanskaslytherin: you can use dpkg-parsechangelog12:19
Laibschjames_w: This is not a bash script12:20
Laibschbut python12:20
james_wheh, sorry12:20
james_wit was me that wasn't looking at /usr/bin/pbuilder-dist :-)12:20
slytherinhanska: that is overhead for my requirement12:20
james_wLaibsch: do you know how to operate pdb?12:22
Laibschno12:22
Laibschbut I guess I can learn12:22
LaibschIs it something like gdb?12:22
james_wyeah12:23
james_wLaibsch: do you have /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ ?12:23
Laibschjames_w: http://rafb.net/p/qgojoF90.html12:25
james_wLaibsch: ok, please open the script in a root editor and find the line that says "script_name = os.path.basename(sys.argv[0])" and put in the line above12:26
james_w"import pdb; pdb.set_trace()"12:26
james_wmaking sure to indent with tabs12:26
james_wthen save and close and run again12:26
james_wyou will get a debugger prompt12:26
james_wuse "s" to step in12:26
james_w"n" to step over12:26
james_wand "p" to print something12:27
james_wcould you try and figure out why it claims not to know about any distributions?12:27
Laibschstep in vs step over?12:32
LaibschI guess I should hit n until I hit a problem, right?12:32
LaibschFunnily enough, the thing works in pdb ;-)12:33
LaibschMaybe also because I have a ~/.pbuilderrc which previously I did not?12:34
james_wdirecthex: you included tarballs for monodevelop-debugger-* as they are the tarballs in NEW?13:46
directhexjames_w, aye13:52
james_wthanks13:53
directhexjames_w, if your git wrangling is good enough you can pristine-tar then yourself.....13:53
directhextook me a few days to work it out though ;)13:53
james_wif only you used bzr, it would all be transparent :-p13:53
mok0james_w: hmm, coming from git, bzr isn't obvious either13:55
james_wtrue13:55
james_wbut I'd like to fix that13:55
hyperairbut coming from svn, bzr is easier to figure out than git13:55
mok0james_w: that would be good!13:55
hyperairthe commands for bzr are very similar to svn13:56
mok0hyperair: yes, bzr reminds of svn in some ways13:56
hyperairmok0: yeah, svn on steroids13:56
hyperairmok0: svn with uber branching/merging capabilities13:56
mok0What I don't like is having different directories for branches13:56
mok0hyperair: yes13:56
hyperairah, i actually liked that at first, but come to think of it, having all of them in one directory is awesome13:56
mok0hyperair: it is. Once you get used to it13:57
directhexi agree with hyperair actually13:57
directhexi find git confusing & painful. but not my decision13:57
* directhex hides from hanska 13:57
hyperairdirecthex: agree.13:57
mok0hyperair: what I lack in git is a simple command to see what the current branch comes off13:57
hanskadirecthex: :E13:58
hyperairdirecthex: git is awesome, but having revnos that are constantly huge strings is a pain13:58
directhexheh13:58
hyperairmok0: what dyou mean?13:58
mok0hyperair: when I've been away from a project, I tend to forget what branch/tree structure the project had13:58
mok0hyperair: I use gitk to visualize it13:59
hyperairi see13:59
mok0hyperair: but it would be nice with just a simple command13:59
hyperairyeah it would13:59
mok0james_w: so when do we start maintaining packages in bzr?14:00
mok0james_w: we have a whole bunch of -0ubuntu* ones that we could start with right away...14:01
james_wmok0: many people are already14:01
james_wwe'll be ready to do large-scale maintenance soon14:02
mok0james_w: I thought there was read-only access only14:02
james_wyeah, they'll be read-write soon14:02
james_wbut there are lots of independent branches already14:02
mok0james_w: ah ok, private branches off the "official" one14:03
james_wnope14:03
james_wjust independent branches14:03
* directhex isn't too sure how this packages-as-bzr thing is gonna work :/14:03
mok0james_w: ok, but I am asking about common maintenance14:04
x-ipHi !14:04
james_wyeah, I'm working on that14:04
james_was I said, it will be soon14:05
james_wa month or two14:05
mok0james_w: alrighty, sounds good14:05
mok0james_w: any decisions on the workflow? I mean things like branch names, bug fix branches, new upstream versions etc?14:06
james_wmok0: I'm not sure what there is to decide there, but that may be just that I'm too in to it. Could you expand a little please?14:08
mok0james_w: Well, we need to have a branch that contains upstreams code, and branched off that we have our extra debian/ dir, then we perhaps have some bugfix branches off upstream as well, we might have a separate branch for each ubuntu release etc. We need some guidelines on how to construct that tree of branches14:10
mok0james_w: presumably, there's a huge merge for creating the source package14:11
james_wah14:11
james_wthat's a bit beyond what I am working on right now14:11
mok0james_w: ok :-)14:12
james_wI'm interested in it, I'm just working on making our current workflow translate to bzr14:12
james_wthen we can start to get creative14:12
james_wmok0: do you know the vcs-pkg.org project?14:12
mok0james_w: I understand14:12
mok0james_w: I follow their ML; not much going on atm14:12
james_wyeah14:12
james_wdirecthex: uploaded14:13
mok0james_w: I've played with  a scheme similar to the above mentioned locally, using git14:13
james_wdirecthex: mixing GPL with MIT/X11 is a little wrong in my eyes, but it's nothing to reject14:13
james_wmok0: interesting, have you considered posting a description to the list?14:14
mok0james_w: no I haven't...14:14
directhexjames_w, AFAIK it's fine to mix those, as MIT is GPL-compatible14:14
directhexjames_w, also, woo!14:14
mok0james_w: it's pretty much inspired by what the masters have described14:14
james_wdirecthex: yeah, it's not a problem of incompatibility in that sense.14:15
superm1quadrispro, ipod-convenience fixed.  thanks for reporting14:15
superm1quadrispro, as for mythnettv, what was the rejection purpose?14:15
superm1we should get that fixed asap14:15
directhexjames_w, it's a dick move, you mean?14:15
james_wdirecthex: the issue is with debian/patches/ really, debian/copyright says they are GPL, so upstream can't just take them14:16
james_wand it may make the final thing GPL, I can't remember14:16
directhexjames_w, oh. erm, that's an error with our handling of copyright i think14:17
directhexlet me find a meebey14:17
james_wdirecthex: what's your aim for mono 2.0 in jaunty?14:19
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directhexjames_w, what about it, specifically? the major goal (jaunty install cd has only 2.0 classlib) is done14:21
james_wcool14:21
james_wI just looked at the TODO14:21
james_wand it looks to me like there is will be too much there to get it done for jaunty14:21
goshawkhi14:22
goshawkif someone has free time, can please see http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/dsss ?14:22
directhexjames_w, in universe, yeah. but it's done in main, which is great IMHO14:22
james_wso I wondered if there was a certain point it would be good to get to, thinking of the CD thing, but if that's done then anything else seems like a bonus to me14:22
directhexjames_w, and now debian is unfrozen, it means karmic's day-one import will basically get it all done14:22
james_wcoolio, nice work14:23
james_wdirecthex: it won't cause those libraries to FTBFS if someone tries to rebuild them will it?14:23
directhexjames_w, um....... well........ yes, it will. i suppose that makes it a higher priority then14:24
james_werr, yeah14:24
james_wkind of14:24
Laneyhaha14:24
james_wthat's not really the way to organise a transition, I've always been uncomfortable about that14:24
LaneyI (we) can take a big run at it over the weekend14:24
james_wLaney: cool, thanks14:25
james_wLaney: I'll help out if I'm around14:25
Laneyawesome14:25
directhexi'll try too, time-allowing (but my weekend looks over-full)14:25
* Laney gets the tinnies in14:25
james_wif it's not done next week I recommend we put the pieces back together so we can have a safe half-done transition for release14:25
james_wthen optionally transition anything else after that time14:26
directhexjames_w, IMHO it'll be easier to finish than half-finish. i'm not sure how to unbreak building old packages without major screwups14:26
AdamDHhi, if my source is called  binutils-2.18.tar.gz should I rename this to binutils_2.18.orig.gz when I include it inside my package?14:26
james_wdirecthex: yeah, that's why you shouldn't really organise it this way.14:27
directhexjames_w, transitioning 100 packages is hard14:29
james_wdirecthex: indeed, I don't dispute that14:29
james_wbut making them all insta-FTBFS causes issues in itself14:29
james_wdoing it in experimental saves you from some of that14:29
james_wbut you will still have issues when you try and do all this in unstable and try and get it to transition to testing14:30
directhexit's started in unstable14:30
directhexrelease manager greenlighted a breaking transition, as it was blocking kde & gnome14:30
directhexbattery is nearly flat :(14:31
mok0directhex: you _want_ it to be flat, otherwise it won't fit in your laptop!14:32
directhexmok0, http://www.plusminus.ru/flashbag.html14:33
mok0directhex: hehe14:33
AdamDHwhen I am running debuild -S -sa so I can upload my package to my ppa I get an error about a debian revision number, there is no debian release so I did -0ubuntu1 in the changelog to show this? what else could be wrong here?14:37
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james_wAdamDH: "an error" isn't too informative. What's the actual error you get?14:41
AdamDHsorry forgot the link to the pastebin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/123348/14:42
AdamDHline 15 shows the error14:43
LaneyAdamDH: your orig is misnamed14:44
LaneyIMO that error is quite clear14:44
directhexLaney, very!14:44
Laneyheh14:44
Laneythis is quite some flat battery you have directhex14:45
AdamDHIt sounds stupid thats what I considered so the upstream source is binutils_2.18.orig.tar.gz14:45
Laneyyou need to name it what it wants14:45
directhexLaney, "flat" means "red in gnome-panel"14:45
directhexAdamDH, the orig name matches the name in changelog/control14:45
AdamDHah ok did not know that14:46
AdamDHthanks again will modify that14:46
AdamDHit seemed to upload ok, https://launchpad.net/~adamhorden/+archive/ppa and the package is there, I will change the orginal source name14:47
directhexAdamDH, you created a native package, due to missing orig14:48
AdamDHso my upstream source needs to be named msp430-binutils_2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20090226.orig.tar.gz?14:48
directhexsounds right14:49
directhexjust... need... to last until coffee break...14:50
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directhex20 minutes remaining,,,,,14:55
bddebianHeya gang14:55
directhexokay, i'm out of power...14:56
cristihello! what do i need to learn in order to be able to get involved in the motu project?15:05
dholbachhiya cristi15:05
dholbachcheck out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted15:06
iulianSee /topic as well.15:06
dholbachcristi: there's also a bunch of videos linked from there, docs, the packaging guide, etc etc15:06
dholbachlots of information :)15:06
iulianHey dholbach.15:06
cristido i need to know cpp fundamentials however?15:07
dholbachhiya iulian15:08
iuliancristi: Not really, no.  If you want to start by packaging things, you don't need to know any programming language.  If you want to fix non-packaging bugs then yes, it may help you.15:08
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ should answer that15:08
dholbachand one of the MOTU videos is especially about questions like that :)15:08
cristidholbach: ok, so i have a lot of reading to do, but i am very determined :D15:09
iuliancristi: Excellent, please don't hesitate to ask questions in this channel if you encounter issues.15:10
dholbachcristi: talk to us if you have any questions :)15:10
* dholbach hugs iulian15:10
dholbachgreat minds think alike :)15:10
* iulian hugs dholbach back. :)15:10
RoAkSoAxheya guys, can we still add watch files and update packages?15:11
dholbachRoAkSoAx: you will need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess - we're focussed on bug fixing now15:11
RoAkSoAxdholbach, ok thanks.. so bug fixing is it :)15:12
dholbachiulian, sistpoty|work: gracias15:12
RoAkSoAxbut, we can do merges in case the package in debian fix any bugs in ubuntu right?15:12
sistpoty|workdholbach: bitte ;)15:12
dholbachRoAkSoAx: sure15:12
RoAkSoAxdholbach, thnks :)15:13
iulianHmm, my sound stopped working and I haven't even noticed.15:20
iulianDevice: Playback: Null Output (PulseAudio Mixer)15:23
iulianLooks odd.15:23
tgm4883What is the reason that http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/mythnettv is rejected?15:31
sistpoty|worktgm4883: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2009-February/025035.html15:33
tgm4883sistpoty|work, thanks.  Any chance I can fix that?15:33
sistpoty|worktgm4883: realign debian/copyright to what the sources say?15:34
tgm4883well yea, I meant can I fix that this cycle?15:34
sistpoty|worktgm4883: I suggest you ask superm1 for this. If he absolutely wants it in, I assume he'll grant you a FFe15:35
tgm4883ok15:35
tgm4883thanks15:35
AdamDHif there is no debian version then when I append to my version in the changelog I just do -0ubuntu1 or just -1?16:22
RainCTAdamDH: -0ubuntu116:23
AdamDHthanks RainCT16:23
Adri2000RainCT_: now is the time :)16:51
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nixternal10 Minute Notice - Ubuntu MOTU Council Meeting - #ubuntu-meeting16:52
RainCTAdri2000: as in, production is being updated?16:52
Adri2000yep, see #-devel16:52
RainCTgreat \o/16:53
quadrisprosuperm1: I don't know why it has been rejected :-/ but I remember that there was some little issue (it might not be lintian clean really)16:59
superm1quadrispro, tgm4883 found why it was rejected16:59
superm1it was GPL2/3 typo in debian/copyright16:59
quadrisproahh!!16:59
superm1he corrected it and put the new package on an FFe bug16:59
superm1which i'm cool with16:59
superm1quadrispro, if you want to sponsor it17:00
superm1bug 33496017:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 334960 in ubuntu "FFe for mythnettv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33496017:00
quadrisprogreat!17:00
quadrisproright now17:00
quadrisprosuperm1: mario, did you look at it? I'm asking you that because I've to go away now, and I haven't the time to review it17:02
superm1quadrispro, the only diff should be a sed 's/2/3/' debian/changelog.  wouldn't hurt to do a debdiff and double check17:03
quadrisprook, i'll take a look later17:08
khirrhello, how can ic reate .deb packages from my bash script using gdialog17:39
hyperairread the packaging guide17:40
hyperairhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide17:40
RainCTvorian: the C10shell hook looks interesting.. perhaps it could be installed by default with ubuntu-dev-tools? (changing vim to sensible-editor, though :P)17:50
vorianRainCT: i think so, it's a life saver17:51
RainCTperhaps even include several of them and have a pbuilder-hooks script to enable/disable them (like the interface to choose a screen profile).. if someone is on hacking mood that could be something nice to have :P17:53
vorianhmmm17:54
* sistpoty|work calls it a day... cya17:57
RainCTdo pbuilder hooks work with cowbuilder?17:57
RainCTUnable to obtain lock [...] held by rainct@bazaar.launchpad.net [...] locked 6508 hours, 11 minutes ago    o_O17:59
vorianRainCT: i've never used cowbuilder18:00
RainCTit's fast (uncompressed chroot, no need to untar tarballs) :)18:01
vorianhmm18:02
salty-horseis gnome-volume-manager responsible for auto-mounting usb mass storage devices etc?18:08
mrooneyCould someone explain what this u-u-s comment means? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxbanker/+bug/333639/comments/418:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 333639 in wxbanker "Please update wxbanker to 0.4.1.0" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:12
mrooneythe patch is definitely not reversed18:12
slytherinIs there anything wrong with ports repository server?18:17
cody-somervilleslytherin, yes18:17
slytherincody-somerville: What happened? I am getting error that libgmyth is not available (powerpc).18:18
cody-somervilleslytherin, I think there is a hardware issue.18:18
cody-somervilleslytherin, what component is libgmyth in?18:19
slytherincody-somerville: universe18:19
cody-somervilleslytherin, libgmyth is only built on amd64 and i38618:20
slytherincody-somerville: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14121999/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-powerpc.gmyth_1%3A0.7.1-1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz18:21
cody-somervillehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgmyth18:22
slytherincody-somerville: that site does not list ports packages.18:23
cody-somervilleah18:23
slytherincan anyone having a jaunty installation please try playing a DVD with VLC or totem-gstreamer?18:28
quadrisprosuperm1: are you sure we can upload a package in NEW during FF?18:37
superm1quadrispro, i'm acking it. i'm delegate for mythbuntu related stuff18:39
quadrisprosuperm1: ah perfect! can I upload the package or I have to wait for another ACK?18:40
superm1quadrispro, i think you should be fine to upload the package, especially for how small that change was18:43
quadrisprosuperm1: good18:46
quadrisprook18:46
moquistif my package has multiple binaries with different .config scripts, should I have multiple .templates files or just one?18:53
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slangasekmoquist: the .templates file has to accompany the .config file - i.e., it's per binary package19:04
moquistslangasek: thx19:07
slytherincan anyone running up to date jaunty do some testing with DVD playing for me?19:09
jreinhardtHi19:37
jreinhardtI have a LaTeX package in REVU  (http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/pgfplots) waiting for review. A few days ago the Bugtracker informed me that there is a ITP for this package n Debian. (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514751), which was withdrawn, because the package will be part of TeXLive 08. Now what is the right thing to do with the package in REVU?19:40
ubottuDebian bug 514751 in wnpp "ITP: pgfplots -- TeX package to draw normal and/or logarithmic" [Wishlist,Open]19:40
slytherincan anyone please do some testing for me with dvd playing?19:45
moquistI'm having trouble figuring out how to change debian/rules so only moodle-common has the moodle source tree, and moodle-mysql, moodle-postgresql, etc. just handle some deps, debconf, and postinst tasks.20:02
moquistI've been reading http://wiki.debian.org/PkgSplit and looking at a couple multi-binary packages (NFS and postgresql), but if anybody has any recommendations for what I should read, I'll appreciate them.20:03
RainCTmoquist: When dpkg-buildpackage creates a .deb, what it does is (baldly) run the stuff from debian/rules, look at the control file to see which binary packages it should produce and then take the stuff from debian/<pkgname1> and put it into <pkgname1><...>.deb, then take the stuff from debian/<pgkname2> and put it into <pkgname2><...>.deb, etc20:08
RainCTmoquist: so your debian/rules has to place the files into debian/moodle and leave debian/moodle-{mysq,postgresql} empty if you don't want anything there20:08
moquistthat makes sense; thx20:09
RainCTmoquist: as for the postinst and such, you'll have to rename the files in debian/ which are only for a certain binary package to debian/<pkgname>.<original filename>20:09
RainCTmoquist: no problem, hope this helps :)20:09
moquistwe'll see, but it sounds like it will :)20:09
fabrice_sp_slytherin, is it ok with a VM?20:10
moquistI already have the various .postinst, .config, .templates files. .rules didn't work. :)20:10
RainCTmoquist: there can only be one rules file (debian/rules)20:10
slytherinfabrice_sp_: yes, I just want to know if problem I am facing has anything to do with latest libdvdread update20:10
RainCTmoquist: the <pkgname>.<file> rule only goes for debhelper files20:10
moquistyeah, that's what I figured20:10
* fabrice_sp_ starting Jaunty VM20:11
RainCT(and the {post,pre}* and such of course)20:11
mrooneymok0: could you explain what you meant re bug 333639?20:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 333639 in wxbanker "Please update wxbanker to 0.4.1.0" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33363920:11
moquistRainCT: right20:11
* moquist moves debian/<pkgname>.install back to debian/install20:12
RainCTmoquist: that one is fine ("install" is for dh_install, which is from debhelper)20:12
moquistOh.20:12
* moquist moves it back20:13
fabrice_sp_slytherin, the VM is running. What do you want me to test?20:14
slytherinfabrice_sp_: can you try playing some video DVD?20:15
fabrice_sp_slytherin, with some specific pgm? I generally use vlc...20:16
slytherinfabrice_sp_: vlc is fine. make sure it is fully updated.20:17
* fabrice_sp_ have to reboot his Jaunty VM :-/20:18
fabrice_sp_slytherin, it's playing fine with totem20:22
slytherinfabrice_sp_: what command did you use for playing? or did it auto start?20:23
slytherinfabrice_sp_: and did you see DVD menu in totem?20:23
fabrice_sp_slytherin, autostart20:23
fabrice_sp_hmmm, have to check for the menu20:23
fabrice_sp_slytherin, no, no menus. I'll check with another DVD20:24
slytherinfabrice_sp_: does the DVD has any menu?20:25
fabrice_sp_I think so. That's why I'm trying with one that for sure has a menu20:26
fabrice_sp_slytherin, totem does not reproduce the menu (jaunty or intrepid). vlc does in both20:31
slytherinfabrice_sp_: Ok. So at least there are no regressions. :-)20:32
fabrice_sp_lol20:35
fabrice_sp_slytherin, in which program are you missing the menu?20:35
fabrice_sp_s/in/with/20:35
slytherinfabrice_sp_: It is not question of missing menu. I am not able to play dvd at all. It was working till 2 days ago.20:36
fabrice_sp_ohh20:36
slytherinso I was afraid that I broke dvd playing completely with my uploads.20:36
fabrice_sp_k20:37
slytherinfabrice_sp_: I am surprised you are not getting menu in totem. You should (provided all the gstreamer plugins are installed).20:39
fabrice_sp_slytherin, yes, I know. but as I always use vlc, I never noticed that. It's jumping directly to the movie, so it could be also some parameters20:40
slytherinfabrice_sp_: any, not a high concern right now20:40
fabrice_sp_no :-)20:42
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fabrice_sp_A library in adm64 should be installed in /usr/lib64? Or it should go to /usr/lib and symlink to /usr/lib64?21:00
dtchenfabrice_sp_: on Ubuntu, it should install into /usr/lib21:02
dtchenfabrice_sp_: /usr/lib64 is simply a symlink to /usr/lib21:03
fabrice_sp_dtchen, ok. Thanks!21:03
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TheMusosavvas: I still have the diff here, so I will try asap22:51
savvasTheMuso: I just realised I was talking in the wrong channel, sorry :P22:55
TheMusosavvas: test building now.22:56
savvasTheMuso: ok - I tried to create a virtual powerpc with qemu through virt-manager but something was going wrong22:58
TheMusosavvas: That would probably be slow anyway.22:58
savvasI read that there's a kqemu kernel module somewhere that speeds it up - but anyway, this is better :)22:59
TheMusosavvas: FTBFS, getting you the necessary bit of the log.23:01
TheMusosavvas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/123573/23:02
savvasTheMuso: which version of bmpx did you use?23:04
TheMusosavvas: the latest in jaunty23:05
TheMusoand your diff applied against that ok.23:05
savvasdamn23:05
savvasthanks TheMuso for your help, at least I/we tried :)23:06
TheMusosavvas: by the looks of that, it needs a library to build against. Does Ubuntu have that library?23:07
* TheMuso will dig into this more later. I think this is quite fixable, just got to work out what its looking for, and that means building step by step in a chroot by hand.23:08
savvasTheMuso: the last time I checked libsidplay was in the ports23:09
TheMusoYeah I just checked the package, and the build wouldn't have got that far if the sidplay lib wasn't found. I will look into it later if you like.23:11
savvasScottK: I guess the other solution is to remove libsidplay and remove support for commodore 64 music :\23:11
savvasTheMuso: please do!!23:11
directhexmoo23:12
TheMusosavvas: I don't think we will have to go that far, but I will see what I can find.23:12
TheMusoBut that will be later, since I have other work to do currently.23:12
savvasalrighty, thank you23:13
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