dtchen | fta: thanks, fixed. | 01:02 |
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dtchen | fta: (libtool error, will be pushed to git HEAD shortly) | 01:02 |
dtchen | fta: http://colin.guthr.ie/git/pulseaudio/patch/?id=dd3c96dede6439ee5dec9e3b22bce9cf7b53d2ff | 01:03 |
dtchen | fta: fix has been uploaded, should appear soon in Luke's ppa | 02:41 |
asac | hi | 08:59 |
asac | @time | 09:06 |
asac | !info firefox | 09:06 |
ubottu | firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 (intrepid), package size 67 kB, installed size 124 kB | 09:06 |
asac | ok i am here ;) | 09:07 |
BUGabundo | guud morning everyone | 10:26 |
BUGabundo | hi asac fta [reed] and all the usuals (but quiet guys/galls around) | 10:26 |
BUGabundo | asac: humm have got any critical NM bugs recently? | 10:26 |
BUGabundo | 'cause I'm having a few probs with it | 10:27 |
BUGabundo | need to start opening bugs on them | 10:27 |
asac | BUGabundo: wifi? | 10:27 |
asac | -> driver | 10:27 |
* gnomefreak almost forgot. asac any plans on fixing the n-m icon? | 10:27 | |
BUGabundo | wifi, and now wired | 10:27 |
asac | gnomefreak: huh? | 10:27 |
asac | BUGabundo: what wired behaviour? | 10:27 |
BUGabundo | I get disconnect while still being connected | 10:28 |
asac | gnomefreak: whats the prob? | 10:28 |
BUGabundo | strange, yeah I know | 10:28 |
gnomefreak | asac: the icon shows the "x" as in there is not a connection but im here so i do have one. | 10:28 |
asac | BUGabundo: when you hover the mouse over the icon, what text to do get? | 10:28 |
BUGabundo | even my netspeed applet shows my wired as offline | 10:28 |
asac | e.g. when being in such a state | 10:28 |
BUGabundo | but I'm talking to you | 10:28 |
asac | gnomefreak: oh. so the same as BUGabundo ;) | 10:29 |
gnomefreak | asac: is he seeing this too? | 10:29 |
BUGabundo | "wired network connection DHCP active | 10:29 |
asac | gnomefreak: same question when you click on applet what are you seeing? | 10:29 |
asac | gnomefreak: seems so | 10:29 |
BUGabundo | and that DHCP is a manual one, cause I accidently deleted the auto | 10:29 |
gnomefreak | "vpn" is all i can click on | 10:29 |
BUGabundo | asac: gnomefreak I see the 2 monitors on it | 10:30 |
gnomefreak | ^^ is left click | 10:30 |
asac | BUGabundo: so the applet also knows its connected? | 10:30 |
gnomefreak | yep me too | 10:30 |
BUGabundo | Connection Information is ok | 10:30 |
asac | but still it has he cross? e.g. disconnected? | 10:30 |
asac | BUGabundo: so its just the applet icon? | 10:30 |
BUGabundo | no disconect here from NM applet | 10:30 |
BUGabundo | but some apps think I'm offline | 10:30 |
gnomefreak | right click menu is fine i can click on everything in dropdown | 10:30 |
BUGabundo | kmail, firefox, netspeed applet | 10:30 |
asac | BUGabundo: ok. thats different then ;) | 10:31 |
gnomefreak | ^^ not seeing any apps failing | 10:31 |
BUGabundo | asac: no no .... NM applet seem fine | 10:31 |
asac | gnomefreak: left click | 10:31 |
BUGabundo | but Network-Manager service, no | 10:31 |
asac | gnomefreak: what does it tell you there?` | 10:31 |
asac | BUGabundo: well, you dont know. maybe its the apps | 10:32 |
asac | BUGabundo: please paste output of nm-tool | 10:32 |
BUGabundo | all ? | 10:32 |
BUGabundo | $ nm-tool | pastebinit -i - | 10:32 |
gnomefreak | asac: left click shows me "wired" "device not managed" and "VPN connections" all is greyed out except "VPN connections" | 10:32 |
BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/123232/ | 10:32 |
asac | BUGabundo: State: connected | 10:33 |
asac | also wired is connected | 10:33 |
gnomefreak | nm-tool | pastebinit -i - | 10:33 |
asac | meaning -> apps | 10:33 |
gnomefreak | oops | 10:33 |
gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628330 | 10:33 |
asac | BUGabundo: also applet is also "just an" app ... even though a bit more advanced | 10:33 |
gnomefreak | is my output incase you need it | 10:33 |
asac | gnomefreak: so what do you see when you left click applet? | 10:34 |
BUGabundo | quiet strange... I make a normal boot, cable connect since boot | 10:34 |
asac | gnomefreak: its unmanaged | 10:34 |
gnomefreak | .:05:32:58:. < gnomefreak > asac: left click shows me "wired" "device not managed" and "VPN connections" all is greyed out except "VPN connections" | 10:34 |
asac | gnomefreak: pleast paste /etc/network/interfaces | 10:34 |
asac | gnomefreak: yeah | 10:34 |
asac | BUGabundo: doesnt matter. i mean this is apps problem | 10:35 |
BUGabundo | and then, firefox stays offline, kmail hangs, and netspeed applet fail to detect network | 10:35 |
BUGabundo | ok... | 10:35 |
asac | BUGabundo: which ffox version? | 10:35 |
gnomefreak | asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628331 | 10:35 |
BUGabundo | when I can, I'll just reapply the connection | 10:35 |
BUGabundo | 3.1 daily ppa | 10:35 |
BUGabundo | it was set offline last night (I had not net) | 10:36 |
asac | BUGabundo: 3.1 has network manager integration disabled by default afaik | 10:36 |
asac | so this is completely unrelated | 10:36 |
gnomefreak | it does say unmanaged | 10:36 |
BUGabundo | but AFAIK it should use NMs intel to be set online automagicly | 10:36 |
BUGabundo | ahhhhhhh ok | 10:36 |
BUGabundo | then that fixs one | 10:36 |
asac | BUGabundo: toolkit.networkmanager.disable | 10:36 |
asac | thats the pref | 10:36 |
asac | set that to false to get networkmanager integration | 10:36 |
asac | BUGabundo: it just remembers the last state | 10:37 |
asac | so if you set it to offline and shutdown it might stay in offline on next start | 10:37 |
asac | gnomefreak: why do you have the eth0 entries in there? | 10:37 |
BUGabundo | ok ok | 10:37 |
asac | remove them ... pronto | 10:37 |
BUGabundo | didn't know | 10:37 |
BUGabundo | I thought it was enabled | 10:37 |
asac | gnomefreak: to apply those changes you have to run sudo killall nm-system-settings once | 10:37 |
asac | BUGabundo: no upstream folks disabled it after too much whining | 10:38 |
asac | its a shame | 10:38 |
gnomefreak | asac: its been like this for a month or so I would assume that on shutdown/reboot nm-system-settings would have been killed | 10:39 |
asac | BUGabundo: i would suggest to keep it enabled | 10:39 |
asac | gnomefreak: read what i said ;) | 10:39 |
asac | 11:37 < asac> gnomefreak: why do you have the eth0 entries in there? | 10:40 |
asac | 11:37 < asac> remove them ... pronto | 10:40 |
asac | gnomefreak: ^^ | 10:40 |
BUGabundo | asac: you mean TRUE= | 10:40 |
BUGabundo | ? | 10:40 |
asac | BUGabundo: no | 10:40 |
asac | BUGabundo: in ffox about:config -> search for "toolkit.networkmanager.disable" -> set that to false | 10:40 |
asac | and keep it tha way ;) | 10:40 |
gnomefreak | in /etc/network/interfaces? im not seeing etho in there | 10:40 |
asac | gnomefreak: you just pasted it | 10:41 |
asac | gnomefreak: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628331 -> eth0 + pan0 | 10:41 |
asac | remove this shit | 10:41 |
BUGabundo | asac: done | 10:41 |
asac | only auto lo ... if you want | 10:41 |
asac | BUGabundo: good ;) | 10:41 |
asac | so it should work now | 10:41 |
BUGabundo | can't the ubuntu-mozillateam do that locally? | 10:41 |
BUGabundo | it seems that upstream doesn't like "us" deltaing much right? | 10:42 |
asac | we can ... but we need permission for these kind of changes ... not now, but once 3.1 becomes "branded" | 10:42 |
gnomefreak | thats everything except "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" everything else has etho in the or pan0" in it | 10:43 |
gnomefreak | ill try it | 10:44 |
BUGabundo | ohh asac did you manage to get the NM PPA bump in ? | 10:45 |
gnomefreak | the "x" is gone :) but am i still here? | 10:47 |
BUGabundo | gnomefreak: pong | 10:48 |
gnomefreak | BUGabundo: thanks :) | 10:48 |
asac | gnomefreak: yeah ;) | 10:48 |
BUGabundo | I'm afraid to even touch my NM | 10:48 |
BUGabundo | pidgin tends to crash | 10:48 |
asac | gnomefreak: in fact you can also have a empty interfaces | 10:49 |
BUGabundo | its hell, when my 3G goes from 3G to 2G | 10:49 |
asac | NM is doing that for you | 10:49 |
asac | BUGabundo: i know ;) ... feels more like 1G ;) | 10:49 |
asac | i usually can be happy when i am able to close the screen and log out | 10:49 |
BUGabundo | no idea why both gwibber and pidgin HATE to be reduced to 5KiB/s networks | 10:49 |
* gnomefreak checks email than i will update SM2 and maybe try to figure out why problems with fsh patch (most likely need autof-2.13 | 10:49 | |
asac | BUGabundo: the world is not made for such low bandwidth nowadays | 10:49 |
gnomefreak | asac: if empty how does it connect? | 10:49 |
asac | similar to how the world is not made for 8Mb Mem ;) | 10:50 |
BUGabundo | asac: still is that a critical bug! | 10:50 |
BUGabundo | I have net none the less | 10:50 |
asac | gnomefreak: NM is sometehing different ;) | 10:50 |
BUGabundo | why would a chat program crash? | 10:50 |
BUGabundo | NM is still on... | 10:50 |
BUGabundo | stupid | 10:50 |
asac | gnomefreak: interfaces is the old ifupdown thing | 10:50 |
asac | we have now legacy support for interfaces | 10:50 |
gnomefreak | asac: ah so is n-m strictly just an icon? | 10:50 |
asac | but that has the issue you described | 10:50 |
asac | which shouldnt hurt | 10:50 |
asac | btw | 10:50 |
asac | its just the applet icon | 10:50 |
asac | gnomefreak: he? NM is a daemon ... and a applet in the user session | 10:51 |
gnomefreak | but it is not used to connect? since you dont need X to be connected | 10:52 |
asac | well. the daemon is root | 10:52 |
asac | its running all the time | 10:52 |
asac | it can connect to auto connections | 10:52 |
gnomefreak | oh | 10:52 |
asac | and to globally configured connections | 10:52 |
asac | globally configured connections can be either down in keyfile format (thats the real thing) or in legacy format using /etc/network/interfaces | 10:52 |
* gnomefreak didnt relize it was a daemon | 10:53 | |
asac | its a daemon aka server that handles all your interfaces on low level | 10:53 |
asac | yeah | 10:53 |
asac | applet is just a frontend so you can steer it | 10:53 |
asac | give instructions what to do ... set configurations ... and provide secrets through user input | 10:53 |
gnomefreak | BUGabundo: are you usig firefox-3.1? does it open homepage/show bookmarks? | 10:54 |
asac | also apps dont talk to the applet ... they talk to the daemon | 10:55 |
asac | so the applet is just another app | 10:55 |
asac | which has a bit more sophistication ;) | 10:55 |
gnomefreak | that makes sense | 10:55 |
BUGabundo | gnomefreak: I have mine to blanck | 10:56 |
BUGabundo | and no ubufox | 10:56 |
fta | PPA exceeded its size limit (1027.00 of 1024.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space. | 10:57 |
fta | ucd full, damn | 10:57 |
gnomefreak | ubufox is only extension that works however i dont think the blank screen is being caused by ubufox | 10:57 |
* gnomefreak only gets 2 gigs | 10:57 | |
asac | fta: ucd? | 10:57 |
asac | chrome? | 10:57 |
asac | heh | 10:57 |
asac | i would really do that weekly ;) | 10:57 |
asac | its really huge | 10:58 |
asac | a single build probably takes all the space | 10:58 |
gnomefreak | it is ubufox | 10:58 |
gnomefreak | thats odd | 10:58 |
gnomefreak | yep it sure is | 10:59 |
gnomefreak | still dont have bookmarks let me see if i can re-import them | 10:59 |
BUGabundo | LOL | 11:00 |
gnomefreak | importing works so i blame ubufox (sure asac doesnt want to here ubufox is borked) :) | 11:01 |
asac | gnomefreak: in 3.1? | 11:01 |
asac | gnomefreak: are you running compiz? | 11:02 |
BUGabundo | asac: did you happen to get those too side bugs from the original fix? | 11:02 |
BUGabundo | the one that search box could not be resised? | 11:02 |
gnomefreak | asac: yes 3.1 no compiz never | 11:03 |
BUGabundo | hehe | 11:03 |
BUGabundo | let me go nag pitti | 11:04 |
gnomefreak | maybe ill go through feeds while im here. be back need a smoke | 11:05 |
asac | BUGabundo: dont know what you are talking about ;) | 11:06 |
BUGabundo | asac: when I reported back on the ubufox bug | 11:07 |
BUGabundo | saying that the lasted trunk build fixed the bookmarks & TBP bug | 11:07 |
BUGabundo | I also stated it added 2 new bugs | 11:07 |
BUGabundo | and it needed to be tested | 11:07 |
asac | BUGabundo: which bug? | 11:07 |
BUGabundo | the ubufox one, and tab mix plus | 11:10 |
BUGabundo | grrr | 11:10 |
BUGabundo | bug 273020 | 11:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 273020 in ubufox "i cant add icons to my Navigation Toolbar (dup-of: 281348)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273020 | 11:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 281348 in ubufox "Firefox only shows default icons in toolbars with tabmixplus and ubufox installed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281348 | 11:10 |
BUGabundo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/281348/comments/35 | 11:11 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 281348 in ubufox "Firefox only shows default icons in toolbars with tabmixplus and ubufox installed" [High,In progress] | 11:11 |
BUGabundo | I'm using it right now, and the bug seem to be fix on both 3.0 and 3.1. on a side note i found two new bugs: | 11:12 |
BUGabundo | * cant resize the search bar; | 11:12 |
BUGabundo | * some SSL sites fail to open (like launchpad) | 11:12 |
BUGabundo | a | 11:12 |
asac | BUGabundo: hose issues are 3.1 only? | 11:14 |
BUGabundo | not sure | 11:16 |
BUGabundo | have to retest again | 11:16 |
BUGabundo | this is stuppid! | 11:26 |
BUGabundo | I'm getting that nag popup on FF | 11:26 |
BUGabundo | every time I open a new Window | 11:26 |
asac | BUGabundo: please be more specific | 11:33 |
asac | i cannot ask for details everytime you post something vaguely ;) | 11:33 |
armin76 | lol | 11:35 |
armin76 | this ff bumbs! | 11:35 |
asac | BUGabundo: want some more latest crack? | 11:36 |
asac | BUGabundo: take the https://edge.launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/ppa and run a dist-upgrade | 11:36 |
asac | its basically the python2.6 transition | 11:36 |
asac | and once hte packages are uploaded you will automatically return to vanillla jaunty | 11:37 |
asac | so no risk ;) ... except for temporary breakage ;) | 11:37 |
asac | gnomefreak: ^^ :) | 11:37 |
gnomefreak | temp breakage with internet is very hard to fix since you cant run dist-upgrade | 11:38 |
gnomefreak | ;) | 11:38 |
gnomefreak | ill be back i need to make coffee | 11:40 |
BUGabundo | asac: doestn that only messes python? | 11:40 |
BUGabundo | is NM in python? | 11:40 |
BUGabundo | but I want to keep gwibber | 11:40 |
BUGabundo | so no breakge now | 11:40 |
asac | k | 11:44 |
asac | BUGabundo: dont think it would break gwibber ;) | 11:45 |
asac | i am trying now ... will let you know | 11:45 |
BUGabundo | ok | 11:46 |
BUGabundo | if then you need me to test more, sure fine | 11:46 |
BUGabundo | also I need to add the ~moz ppa to test font config | 11:46 |
BUGabundo | forgot that yesterday | 11:47 |
asac | hmmm internet is really slow | 12:00 |
BUGabundo | is it? | 12:01 |
fta | <asac> i would really do that weekly ;) <= why? i push that in a few seconds from a server | 12:01 |
BUGabundo | not here | 12:01 |
asac | fta: not sure ... arent the sources kept around for quite some time? | 12:01 |
fta | kept around? | 12:02 |
fta | my bot has a local cache so it's just a svn update, pack, merge, push | 12:02 |
asac | i dont say its a problem on your side | 12:02 |
fta | oh | 12:03 |
asac | i say that launchpad storage might be a bit offensive | 12:03 |
asac | i mean its really lots of crap in that tarball | 12:03 |
asac | everything duplicated all over the place | 12:03 |
fta | i guess they will complain if it becomes a problem | 12:03 |
fta | the packaging is ready to start dropping deps from the source tarball, but the build system is not | 12:04 |
asac | packaging is usually not a problem when the build system can do it | 12:09 |
asac | well ... at least build system is usually the harder part to fix | 12:10 |
jtv | ones current) | 14:09 |
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fta | asac, can't we do something about ia32 nss in hardy, this is really becoming messy: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3 | 18:07 |
asac | fta: we can provide build packages outside the archive. the result should be compatible | 18:26 |
asac | with everything | 18:26 |
asac | hardy, fedora, ... | 18:26 |
fta | asac, I think i will create a lib32nss package for hardy onward, depending on ia32-libs. it will be empty for jaunty, but that will only help my ppa, not google :( | 18:39 |
fta | asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuild64Bit :( | 18:40 |
fta | bug 314739 | 19:33 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 314739 in ia32-libs "[jaunty/amd64] flash plugin no longer has any sound" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314739 | 19:33 |
dtchen | fta: is luke's ppa 0.9.15-test3 working for you now? | 21:01 |
fta | dtchen, is there an update? > ppa1 ? | 21:02 |
fta | dtchen, i'm back in test2 but with the new alsa and it's far better. | 21:03 |
dtchen | dtchen: alsa -> alsa-lib? | 21:11 |
fta | yes | 21:11 |
dtchen | err, s/dtchen/fta/ | 21:11 |
dtchen | interesting | 21:11 |
dtchen | we really should just try and get an FFe for it, then | 21:11 |
fta | re-upgrading to test3 ppa2 | 21:11 |
fta | today, i got a few: | 21:12 |
fta | E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial | 21:12 |
fta | E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial_if0 | 21:12 |
fta | plenty of: W: asyncq.c: q overrun, queuing locally | 21:13 |
dtchen | but much better performance? | 21:16 |
fta | yes | 21:16 |
dtchen | if so, that's due to lennart's workarounds for snd_pcm_avail_*() being utterly broken in alsa-lib | 21:16 |
dtchen | the driver (alsa-kernel) side isn't any better :/ | 21:17 |
fta | is there any activity on the driver side? | 21:18 |
dtchen | a little | 21:18 |
dtchen | much of the work is working out whether an alsa-lib workaround is feasible | 21:18 |
dtchen | is jaunty's alsa-lib (libasound2, ...) giving you poor performance with 0.9.15-test3~ppa2? | 21:19 |
dtchen | if so, i'll look at a possible FFe and mass-rebuild of the revdeps | 21:20 |
fta | i will try | 21:20 |
fta | boooh, lots of errors in ubuntu-docs | 21:21 |
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dtchen | fta: thanks much. it'll help me prioritise audio stack effort for the next week. | 21:23 |
fta | dtchen, test3 and the new alsa are really better, i can almost play openarena under heavy i/o like i used to in intrepid (and before) | 21:46 |
fta | and the "crispy" sound is almost gone | 21:47 |
dtchen | fta: ok, so regardless of 0.9.1[45], new alsa-lib is definitely better? | 21:48 |
fta | dtchen, i don't know that yet. new alsa-lib is better in test[23] than old alsa-lib (still from luke's ppa) with test[12] | 21:50 |
dtchen | fta: right, that's because test2 and test3 both have a different error handling path if alsa-lib 1.0.19 is available at compile-time | 21:51 |
fta | dtchen, downgrading pa to jaunty's version | 21:52 |
dtchen | fta: thanks, you're a trooper | 21:54 |
fta | dtchen, hm, is it the same list of debs? | 21:55 |
dtchen | no | 21:56 |
dtchen | remember the libpulsecore* change | 21:56 |
fta | yeah, guessed so. apt-get is not nice with multi-packages downgrade | 21:56 |
fta | pulseaudio: Depends: libasound2-plugins but it is not going to be installed | 22:01 |
dtchen | probably need to downgrade libasound2-plugins if luke's ppa has a never version | 22:01 |
dtchen | s/never/newer/ | 22:01 |
fta | dtchen, but if i do, it wants me to downgrade libasound2 too | 22:03 |
dtchen | fta: right | 22:04 |
dtchen | fta: i think you answered my question above with "new alsa-lib is better in test[23] than old alsa-lib (still from luke's ppa) with test[12]" | 22:04 |
dtchen | as long as "old alsa-lib" refers to 1.0.18 | 22:05 |
fta | i'm afraid not, old alsa-lib referred to the alsa lib that was in luke's ppa (or yours) before test3 | 22:06 |
dtchen | which version? | 22:06 |
dtchen | 1.0.18-1ubuntu7? | 22:06 |
fta | let me check my apt logs | 22:06 |
fta | dtchen, yes, libasound2 1.0.19-0ubuntu1~ppa1 far better than 1.0.18-1ubuntu7 with pulse 0.9.15~test2 | 22:25 |
fta | but i can't easily downgrade pulse without alsalib to test 1.0.19 with the pulse in jaunty. sorry | 22:26 |
dtchen | fta: that's ok, that's the data point i needed to confirm. | 22:27 |
dtchen | luke and i will be considering an FFe for alsa-lib 1.0.19 | 22:27 |
fta | excellent | 22:33 |
fta | jcastro, Title: gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_layout_get_empty_extents_at_index() | 23:08 |
fta | jcastro, that's one of the crashes i have, i can provide a full stack trace if needed | 23:10 |
fta | dtchen, E: rtpoll.c: Assertion 'usec <= ((pa_usec_t) 1000000ULL)*60ULL*60ULL' failed at pulsecore/rtpoll.c:548, function pa_rtpoll_set_timer_relative(). Aborting. | 23:37 |
dtchen | fta: interesting. | 23:38 |
dtchen | test3~ppa2, i presume? | 23:39 |
fta | yes | 23:39 |
dtchen | ok | 23:39 |
dtchen | i may have an alsa-lib workaround for you tomorrow | 23:39 |
fta | excellent | 23:39 |
dtchen | right now, i need to finish rebuilding my ~ and get back to pulseaudio/ubuntu and pulseaudio/timing | 23:40 |
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