[01:02] <dtchen> fta: thanks, fixed.
[01:02] <dtchen> fta: (libtool error, will be pushed to git HEAD shortly)
[01:03] <dtchen> fta: http://colin.guthr.ie/git/pulseaudio/patch/?id=dd3c96dede6439ee5dec9e3b22bce9cf7b53d2ff
[02:41] <dtchen> fta: fix has been uploaded, should appear soon in Luke's ppa
[08:59] <asac> hi
[09:06] <asac> @time
[09:06] <asac> !info firefox
[09:07] <asac> ok i am here ;)
[10:26] <BUGabundo> guud morning everyone
[10:26] <BUGabundo> hi asac fta [reed] and all the usuals (but quiet guys/galls around)
[10:26] <BUGabundo> asac: humm have got any critical NM bugs recently?
[10:27] <BUGabundo> 'cause I'm having a few probs with it
[10:27] <BUGabundo> need to start opening bugs on them
[10:27] <asac> BUGabundo: wifi?
[10:27] <asac> -> driver
[10:27]  * gnomefreak almost forgot. asac any plans on fixing the n-m icon?
[10:27] <BUGabundo> wifi, and now wired
[10:27] <asac> gnomefreak: huh?
[10:27] <asac> BUGabundo: what wired behaviour?
[10:28] <BUGabundo> I get disconnect while still being connected
[10:28] <asac> gnomefreak: whats the prob?
[10:28] <BUGabundo> strange, yeah I know
[10:28] <gnomefreak> asac: the icon shows the "x" as in there is not a connection but im here so i do have one.
[10:28] <asac> BUGabundo: when you hover the mouse over the icon, what text to do get?
[10:28] <BUGabundo> even my netspeed applet shows my wired as offline
[10:28] <asac> e.g. when being in such a state
[10:28] <BUGabundo> but I'm talking to you
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: oh. so the same as BUGabundo ;)
[10:29] <gnomefreak> asac: is he seeing this too?
[10:29] <BUGabundo> "wired network connection DHCP active
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: same question when you click on applet what are you seeing?
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: seems so
[10:29] <BUGabundo> and that DHCP is a manual one, cause I accidently deleted the auto
[10:29] <gnomefreak> "vpn" is all i can click on
[10:30] <BUGabundo> asac: gnomefreak I see the 2 monitors on it
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ^^ is left click
[10:30] <asac> BUGabundo: so the applet also knows its connected?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> yep me too
[10:30] <BUGabundo> Connection Information is ok
[10:30] <asac>  but still it has he cross? e.g. disconnected?
[10:30] <asac> BUGabundo: so its just the applet icon?
[10:30] <BUGabundo> no disconect here from NM applet
[10:30] <BUGabundo> but some apps think I'm offline
[10:30] <gnomefreak> right click menu is fine i can click on everything in dropdown
[10:30] <BUGabundo> kmail, firefox, netspeed applet
[10:31] <asac> BUGabundo: ok. thats different then ;)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> ^^ not seeing any apps failing
[10:31] <BUGabundo> asac: no no .... NM applet seem fine
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: left click
[10:31] <BUGabundo> but Network-Manager service, no
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: what does it tell you there?`
[10:32] <asac> BUGabundo: well, you dont know. maybe its the apps
[10:32] <asac> BUGabundo: please paste output of nm-tool
[10:32] <BUGabundo> all ?
[10:32] <BUGabundo> $ nm-tool | pastebinit -i -
[10:32] <gnomefreak> asac: left click shows me "wired" "device not managed" and "VPN connections" all is greyed out except "VPN connections"
[10:32] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/123232/
[10:33] <asac> BUGabundo: State: connected
[10:33] <asac> also wired is connected
[10:33] <gnomefreak> nm-tool | pastebinit -i -
[10:33] <asac> meaning -> apps
[10:33] <gnomefreak> oops
[10:33] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628330
[10:33] <asac> BUGabundo: also applet is also "just an" app ... even though a bit more advanced
[10:33] <gnomefreak> is my output incase you need it
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: so what do you see when you left click applet?
[10:34] <BUGabundo> quiet strange... I make a normal boot, cable connect since boot
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: its unmanaged
[10:34] <gnomefreak> .:05:32:58:. <      gnomefreak > asac: left click shows me "wired" "device not  managed" and "VPN connections" all is greyed  out except "VPN connections"
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: pleast paste /etc/network/interfaces
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah
[10:35] <asac> BUGabundo: doesnt matter. i mean this is apps problem
[10:35] <BUGabundo> and then, firefox stays offline, kmail hangs, and netspeed applet fail to detect network
[10:35] <BUGabundo> ok...
[10:35] <asac> BUGabundo: which ffox version?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628331
[10:35] <BUGabundo> when I can, I'll just reapply the connection
[10:35] <BUGabundo> 3.1 daily ppa
[10:36] <BUGabundo> it was set offline last night (I had not net)
[10:36] <asac> BUGabundo: 3.1 has network manager integration disabled by default afaik
[10:36] <asac> so this is completely unrelated
[10:36] <gnomefreak> it does say unmanaged
[10:36] <BUGabundo> but AFAIK it should use NMs intel to be set online automagicly
[10:36] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhh ok
[10:36] <BUGabundo> then that fixs one
[10:36] <asac> BUGabundo: toolkit.networkmanager.disable
[10:36] <asac> thats the pref
[10:36] <asac> set that to false to get networkmanager integration
[10:37] <asac> BUGabundo: it just remembers the last state
[10:37] <asac> so if you set it to offline and shutdown it might stay in offline on next start
[10:37] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you have the eth0 entries in there?
[10:37] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[10:37] <asac> remove them ... pronto
[10:37] <BUGabundo> didn't know
[10:37] <BUGabundo> I thought it was enabled
[10:37] <asac> gnomefreak: to apply those changes you have to run sudo killall nm-system-settings once
[10:38] <asac> BUGabundo: no upstream folks disabled it after too much whining
[10:38] <asac> its a shame
[10:39] <gnomefreak> asac: its been like this for a month or so I would assume that on shutdown/reboot nm-system-settings would have been killed
[10:39] <asac> BUGabundo: i would suggest to keep it enabled
[10:39] <asac> gnomefreak: read what i said ;)
[10:40] <asac> 11:37 < asac> gnomefreak: why do you have the eth0 entries in there?
[10:40] <asac> 11:37 < asac> remove them ... pronto
[10:40] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[10:40] <BUGabundo> asac: you mean TRUE=
[10:40] <BUGabundo> ?
[10:40] <asac> BUGabundo: no
[10:40] <asac> BUGabundo: in ffox about:config -> search for "toolkit.networkmanager.disable" -> set that to false
[10:40] <asac> and keep it tha way ;)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> in /etc/network/interfaces? im not seeing etho in there
[10:41] <asac> gnomefreak: you just pasted it
[10:41] <asac> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/628331 -> eth0 + pan0
[10:41] <asac> remove this shit
[10:41] <BUGabundo> asac: done
[10:41] <asac> only auto lo ... if you want
[10:41] <asac> BUGabundo: good ;)
[10:41] <asac> so it should work now
[10:41] <BUGabundo> can't the ubuntu-mozillateam do that locally?
[10:42] <BUGabundo> it seems that upstream doesn't like "us" deltaing much right?
[10:42] <asac> we can ... but we need permission for these kind of changes ... not now, but once 3.1 becomes "branded"
[10:43] <gnomefreak> thats everything except "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" everything else has etho in the or pan0" in it
[10:44] <gnomefreak> ill try it
[10:45] <BUGabundo> ohh asac did you manage to get the NM PPA bump in ?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> the "x" is gone :) but am i still here?
[10:48] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: pong
[10:48] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks :)
[10:48] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ;)
[10:48] <BUGabundo> I'm afraid to even touch my NM
[10:48] <BUGabundo> pidgin tends to crash
[10:49] <asac> gnomefreak: in fact you can also have a empty interfaces
[10:49] <BUGabundo> its hell, when my 3G goes from 3G to 2G
[10:49] <asac> NM is doing that for you
[10:49] <asac> BUGabundo: i know ;) ... feels more like 1G ;)
[10:49] <asac> i usually can be happy when i am able to close the screen and log out
[10:49] <BUGabundo> no idea why both gwibber and pidgin HATE to be reduced to 5KiB/s networks
[10:49]  * gnomefreak checks email than i will update SM2 and maybe try to figure out why problems with fsh patch (most likely need autof-2.13
[10:49] <asac> BUGabundo: the world is not made for such low bandwidth nowadays
[10:49] <gnomefreak> asac: if empty how does it connect?
[10:50] <asac> similar to how the world is not made for 8Mb Mem ;)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> asac: still is that a critical bug!
[10:50] <BUGabundo> I have net none the less
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: NM is sometehing different ;)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> why would a chat program crash?
[10:50] <BUGabundo> NM is still on...
[10:50] <BUGabundo> stupid
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: interfaces is the old ifupdown thing
[10:50] <asac> we have now legacy support for interfaces
[10:50] <gnomefreak> asac: ah so is n-m strictly just an icon?
[10:50] <asac> but that has the issue you described
[10:50] <asac> which shouldnt hurt
[10:50] <asac> btw
[10:50] <asac> its just the applet icon
[10:51] <asac> gnomefreak: he? NM is a daemon ... and a applet in the user session
[10:52] <gnomefreak> but it is not used to connect? since you dont need X to be connected
[10:52] <asac> well. the daemon is root
[10:52] <asac> its running all the time
[10:52] <asac> it can connect to auto connections
[10:52] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:52] <asac> and to globally configured connections
[10:52] <asac> globally configured connections can be either down in keyfile format (thats the real thing) or in legacy format using /etc/network/interfaces
[10:53]  * gnomefreak didnt relize it was a daemon
[10:53] <asac> its a daemon aka server that handles all your interfaces on low level
[10:53] <asac> yeah
[10:53] <asac> applet is just a frontend so you can steer it
[10:53] <asac> give instructions what to do ... set configurations ... and provide secrets through user input
[10:54] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: are you usig firefox-3.1? does it open homepage/show bookmarks?
[10:55] <asac> also apps dont talk to the applet ... they talk to the daemon
[10:55] <asac> so the applet is just another app
[10:55] <asac> which has a bit more sophistication ;)
[10:55] <gnomefreak> that makes sense
[10:56] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I have mine to blanck
[10:56] <BUGabundo> and no ubufox
[10:57] <fta> PPA exceeded its size limit (1027.00 of 1024.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space.
[10:57] <fta> ucd full, damn
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ubufox is only extension that works however i dont think the blank screen is being caused by ubufox
[10:57]  * gnomefreak only gets 2 gigs
[10:57] <asac> fta: ucd?
[10:57] <asac> chrome?
[10:57] <asac> heh
[10:57] <asac> i would really do that weekly ;)
[10:58] <asac> its really huge
[10:58] <asac> a single build probably takes all the space
[10:58] <gnomefreak> it is ubufox
[10:58] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[10:59] <gnomefreak> yep it sure is
[10:59] <gnomefreak> still dont have bookmarks let me see if i can re-import them
[11:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[11:01] <gnomefreak> importing works so i blame ubufox (sure asac doesnt want to here ubufox is borked)  :)
[11:01] <asac> gnomefreak: in 3.1?
[11:02] <asac> gnomefreak: are you running compiz?
[11:02] <BUGabundo> asac: did you happen to get those too side bugs from the original fix?
[11:02] <BUGabundo> the one that search box could not be resised?
[11:03] <gnomefreak> asac: yes 3.1 no compiz never
[11:03] <BUGabundo> hehe
[11:04] <BUGabundo> let me go nag pitti
[11:05] <gnomefreak> maybe ill go through feeds while im here. be back need a smoke
[11:06] <asac> BUGabundo: dont know what you are talking about ;)
[11:07] <BUGabundo> asac: when I reported back on the ubufox bug
[11:07] <BUGabundo> saying that the lasted trunk build fixed the bookmarks & TBP bug
[11:07] <BUGabundo> I also stated it added 2 new bugs
[11:07] <BUGabundo> and it needed to be tested
[11:07] <asac> BUGabundo: which bug?
[11:10] <BUGabundo> the ubufox one, and tab mix plus
[11:10] <BUGabundo> grrr
[11:10] <BUGabundo> bug 273020
[11:11] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/281348/comments/35
[11:12] <BUGabundo> I'm using it right now, and the bug seem to be fix on both 3.0 and 3.1. on a side note i found two new bugs:
[11:12] <BUGabundo> * cant resize the search bar;
[11:12] <BUGabundo> * some SSL sites fail to open (like launchpad)
[11:12] <BUGabundo> a
[11:14] <asac> BUGabundo: hose issues are 3.1 only?
[11:16] <BUGabundo> not sure
[11:16] <BUGabundo> have to retest again
[11:26] <BUGabundo> this is stuppid!
[11:26] <BUGabundo> I'm getting that nag popup on FF
[11:26] <BUGabundo> every time I open a new Window
[11:33] <asac> BUGabundo: please be more specific
[11:33] <asac> i cannot ask for details everytime you post something vaguely ;)
[11:35] <armin76> lol
[11:35] <armin76> this ff bumbs!
[11:36] <asac> BUGabundo: want some more latest crack?
[11:36] <asac> BUGabundo: take the https://edge.launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/ppa and run a dist-upgrade
[11:36] <asac> its basically the python2.6 transition
[11:37] <asac> and once hte packages are uploaded you will automatically return to vanillla jaunty
[11:37] <asac> so no risk ;) ... except for temporary breakage ;)
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^ :)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> temp breakage with internet is very hard to fix since you cant run dist-upgrade
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:40] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to make coffee
[11:40] <BUGabundo> asac: doestn that only messes python?
[11:40] <BUGabundo> is NM in python?
[11:40] <BUGabundo> but I want to keep gwibber
[11:40] <BUGabundo> so no breakge now
[11:44] <asac> k
[11:45] <asac> BUGabundo: dont think it would break gwibber ;)
[11:45] <asac> i am trying now ... will let you know
[11:46] <BUGabundo> ok
[11:46] <BUGabundo> if then you need me to test more, sure fine
[11:46] <BUGabundo> also I need to add the ~moz ppa to test font config
[11:47] <BUGabundo> forgot that yesterday
[12:00] <asac> hmmm internet is really slow
[12:01] <BUGabundo> is it?
 i would really do that weekly ;) <= why? i push that in a few seconds from a server
[12:01] <BUGabundo> not here
[12:01] <asac> fta: not sure ... arent the sources kept around for quite some time?
[12:02] <fta> kept around?
[12:02] <fta> my bot has a local cache so it's just a svn update, pack, merge, push
[12:02] <asac> i dont say its a problem on your side
[12:03] <fta> oh
[12:03] <asac> i say that launchpad storage might be a bit offensive
[12:03] <asac> i mean its really lots of crap in that tarball
[12:03] <asac> everything duplicated all over the place
[12:03] <fta> i guess they will complain if it becomes a problem
[12:04] <fta> the packaging is ready to start dropping deps from the source tarball, but the build system is not
[12:09] <asac> packaging is usually not a problem when the build system can do it
[12:10] <asac> well ... at least build system is usually the harder part to fix
[14:09] <jtv> ones current)
[18:07] <fta> asac, can't we do something about ia32 nss in hardy, this is really becoming messy: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d3f6b7f4eadb43a3
[18:26] <asac> fta: we can provide build packages outside the archive. the result should be compatible
[18:26] <asac> with everything
[18:26] <asac> hardy, fedora, ...
[18:39] <fta> asac, I think i will create a lib32nss package for hardy onward, depending on ia32-libs. it will be empty for jaunty, but that will only help my ppa, not google :(
[18:40] <fta> asac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuild64Bit  :(
[19:33] <fta> bug 314739
[21:01] <dtchen> fta: is luke's ppa 0.9.15-test3 working for you now?
[21:02] <fta> dtchen, is there an update? > ppa1 ?
[21:03] <fta> dtchen, i'm back in test2 but with the new alsa and it's far better.
[21:11] <dtchen> dtchen: alsa -> alsa-lib?
[21:11] <fta> yes
[21:11] <dtchen> err, s/dtchen/fta/
[21:11] <dtchen> interesting
[21:11] <dtchen> we really should just try and get an FFe for it, then
[21:11] <fta> re-upgrading to test3 ppa2
[21:12] <fta> today, i got a few:
[21:12] <fta> E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial
[21:12] <fta> E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial_if0
[21:13] <fta> plenty of: W: asyncq.c: q overrun, queuing locally
[21:16] <dtchen> but much better performance?
[21:16] <fta> yes
[21:16] <dtchen> if so, that's due to lennart's workarounds for snd_pcm_avail_*() being utterly broken in alsa-lib
[21:17] <dtchen> the driver (alsa-kernel) side isn't any better :/
[21:18] <fta> is there any activity on the driver side?
[21:18] <dtchen> a little
[21:18] <dtchen> much of the work is working out whether an alsa-lib workaround is feasible
[21:19] <dtchen> is jaunty's alsa-lib (libasound2, ...) giving you poor performance with 0.9.15-test3~ppa2?
[21:20] <dtchen> if so, i'll look at a possible FFe and mass-rebuild of the revdeps
[21:20] <fta> i will try
[21:21] <fta> boooh, lots of errors in ubuntu-docs
[21:23] <dtchen> fta: thanks much. it'll help me prioritise audio stack effort for the next week.
[21:46] <fta> dtchen, test3 and the new alsa are really better, i can almost play openarena under heavy i/o like i used to in intrepid (and before)
[21:47] <fta> and the "crispy" sound is almost gone
[21:48] <dtchen> fta: ok, so regardless of 0.9.1[45], new alsa-lib is definitely better?
[21:50] <fta> dtchen, i don't know that yet. new alsa-lib is better in test[23] than old alsa-lib (still from luke's ppa) with test[12]
[21:51] <dtchen> fta: right, that's because test2 and test3 both have a different error handling path if alsa-lib 1.0.19 is available at compile-time
[21:52] <fta> dtchen, downgrading pa to jaunty's version
[21:54] <dtchen> fta: thanks, you're a trooper
[21:55] <fta> dtchen, hm, is it the same list of debs?
[21:56] <dtchen> no
[21:56] <dtchen> remember the libpulsecore* change
[21:56] <fta> yeah, guessed so. apt-get is not nice with multi-packages downgrade
[22:01] <fta>   pulseaudio: Depends: libasound2-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[22:01] <dtchen> probably need to downgrade libasound2-plugins if luke's ppa has a never version
[22:01] <dtchen> s/never/newer/
[22:03] <fta> dtchen, but if i do, it wants me to downgrade libasound2 too
[22:04] <dtchen> fta: right
[22:04] <dtchen> fta: i think you answered my question above with "new alsa-lib is better in test[23] than old alsa-lib (still from luke's ppa) with test[12]"
[22:05] <dtchen> as long as "old alsa-lib" refers to 1.0.18
[22:06] <fta> i'm afraid not, old alsa-lib referred to the alsa lib that was in luke's ppa (or yours) before test3
[22:06] <dtchen> which version?
[22:06] <dtchen> 1.0.18-1ubuntu7?
[22:06] <fta> let me check my apt logs
[22:25] <fta> dtchen, yes, libasound2 1.0.19-0ubuntu1~ppa1 far better than 1.0.18-1ubuntu7 with pulse 0.9.15~test2
[22:26] <fta> but i can't easily downgrade pulse without alsalib to test 1.0.19 with the pulse in jaunty. sorry
[22:27] <dtchen> fta: that's ok, that's the data point i needed to confirm.
[22:27] <dtchen> luke and i will be considering an FFe for alsa-lib 1.0.19
[22:33] <fta> excellent
[23:08] <fta> jcastro, Title: gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_layout_get_empty_extents_at_index()
[23:10] <fta> jcastro, that's one of the crashes i have, i can provide a full stack trace if needed
[23:37] <fta> dtchen, E: rtpoll.c: Assertion 'usec <= ((pa_usec_t) 1000000ULL)*60ULL*60ULL' failed at pulsecore/rtpoll.c:548, function pa_rtpoll_set_timer_relative(). Aborting.
[23:38] <dtchen> fta: interesting.
[23:39] <dtchen> test3~ppa2, i presume?
[23:39] <fta> yes
[23:39] <dtchen> ok
[23:39] <dtchen> i may have an alsa-lib workaround for you tomorrow
[23:39] <fta> excellent
[23:40] <dtchen> right now, i need to finish rebuilding my ~ and get back to pulseaudio/ubuntu and pulseaudio/timing