[00:00] <zoredache> disassembler:  do you mena the command to clear your sessions? rm ~/.cache/sessions/
[00:00] <disassembler>  yes.
[00:01] <zoredache> Brad450: I don't accept ctcp stuff.  Post it on photobucket or something....
[00:03] <Brad450> k
[00:05] <R1cochet> is the widget factory only for viewing themes? or is it a gui for creating them also?
[00:09] <Brad450> will i be forced to leave when i change to GNOME from XFCE
[00:12] <R1cochet> leave what?
[00:13] <zoredache> you have to login/logout, so yes
[00:13] <Brad450> pidgin and stuff
[00:13] <R1cochet> and y are u going from xfce to gnome? seems backwards
[00:13] <Brad450> lol iam on my PS3 i think it can handle it
[00:14] <R1cochet> ok
[00:14] <Brad450> iam having ALO ALOT ALOT of problems with XFCE
[00:14] <R1cochet> sorry to hear
[00:14] <Brad450> ya and know its 98% [waiting for headers]
[00:14] <R1cochet> all in time :0
[00:15] <R1cochet> :)*
[00:15] <Brad450> lol
[00:15] <Brad450> xubuntu is for like low brew computer right
[00:15] <Brad450> ?
[00:16] <Brad450> what are you guys running xubuntu on??????
[00:17] <Brad450> r1cochet: what you running???
[00:17] <charlie-tca> I run it on my 400Mhz with 384MB ram, 866Mhz p3 with 512MB ram, 1.4Ghz p4 with 1GB ram, 2.2Ghz Athlon 64 with 3GB ram
[00:18] <charlie-tca> but I might be a little on the extreme side
[00:18] <Brad450> wow thats alot of computers lol all yours or you manage them?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> Mine
[00:18] <Brad450> all on one KVM switch?
[00:18] <Brad450> ive done that lol
[00:18] <R1cochet> amd 64x2 4400, 2g ram, msi mobo, 2.25tb storage
[00:19] <charlie-tca> I have 4 on a KVM and one by itself
[00:19] <charlie-tca> I actually run 5 systems
[00:19] <R1cochet> jesus charlie-tca
[00:19] <Brad450> ouch man what do you run a server farm?
[00:19] <charlie-tca> He might have a part in it, but I did the work
[00:19] <R1cochet> Laughing Out Loud
[00:19] <charlie-tca> no, one is a server
[00:20] <R1cochet> can i install xubuntu w/ out a swap area?
[00:20] <Brad450> for like all the others they like channel threw it right?
[00:20] <charlie-tca> yes, Brad450
[00:20] <charlie-tca> R1cochet: you can , but it is not recommended
[00:20] <Brad450> ya i have a system like that at my work
[00:20] <R1cochet> ok
[00:21] <R1cochet> Be Back Soon
[00:21] <charlie-tca> The server is for the firewall, file storage, etc
[00:21] <charlie-tca> Also, I do a lot of testing
[00:22] <Brad450> i brought the old one home from work it runs fedora. its useless so i parket it under my desk and i use it as a foot warmer NO JOKE XD
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Hey, they should work for that, too
[00:23] <Brad450> lol just remove the network car the procesor and the HDD to cut down on consumption and the HIZZ you get and you got a nice toasty foot warmer
[00:23] <Brad450> it was one of those dell´s that go under the screen you know? so it fits perfecty
[00:24] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got one of those out in the garage. I don't use it.
[00:24] <Brad450> HEY FOOTWARMER
[00:24] <charlie-tca> Already raising the room temperature about 5 degrees
[00:24] <Brad450> lol
[00:25] <Brad450> true ever think of liguid cooling some of the machines?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> Thought about it. Seems like a lot of money and work
[00:25] <Brad450> ya but you mostly use all those computers for beta testing?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> I just burned up a p3, too
[00:26] <charlie-tca> yes, alpha, beta, and ppa tests
[00:26] <charlie-tca> Like today, install all of Xubuntu and Ubuntu ISO images, using all the methods
[00:27] <charlie-tca> and all the partitioning methods available
[00:27] <Brad450> lol i used to do pre-alpha for ubisoft here in montreal it was fun as hell doing testing unannounce video games lol thats the only experience i have
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it's similar. Try to find what is broken before the release. I have enough systems to say they worked
[00:29] <Brad450> ya but video games are not a nearly as complicated as linux with commands and stuff you have a limit to like 10 buttons you know so i mean it was fairly easy
[00:29] <Brad450> and you only need to test on 2 different systems like xbox or playstation not like P3 P4 AMD AT64
[00:33] <Brad450> iam actually in the middle of testing a game right now cant say what it is but iam using linux on my PS3 to hop back and forth into the game and right my bug reports
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I tried working for Sony Playstation for about a year. I am not a gamer, though
[00:34] <Brad450> what did you do?
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Technical support
[00:35] <Brad450> out in foster city?
[00:35] <charlie-tca> No, outsourced
[00:35] <charlie-tca> The only company that controlled the outsourcers was Sony
[00:36] <Brad450> have a buddy over there for developer tech support where u consumer? or dev?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> They insisted on the right to hire and fire us
[00:36] <charlie-tca> consumer
[00:36] <Brad450> ya lol they do that to every thing they outsource
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Yes, But no one else was allowed to
[00:37] <Brad450> well its just the Japanese way ¨piss us off and your gone¨
[00:38] <charlie-tca> They also would not allow the company to fire anyone without their okay.
[00:38] <Brad450> now that is something ive never herd before usually they think as outsorced employees as catle
[00:39] <charlie-tca> It was really strange. If our company decided they didn't want us anymore, Sony had to say okay for them to let us go.
[00:40] <Brad450> what exactly did you do not man the phones i hope?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> Sure, phones. That is the only tech support available. Sony insisted we play games 8 hours a week, too
[00:42] <Brad450> wow when i call the tech support for someothing that aint debug the people werent a genius in the gaming world
[00:43] <Brad450> what company was sony outsorucing to for tech support
[00:43] <Brad450> ?
[00:43] <charlie-tca> That is surprising. At least for Playstation. Sony insisted on 160 hours of training for us.
[00:43] <charlie-tca> No, 4 weeks
[00:43] <Brad450> wow thats long lol
[00:44] <Brad450> and iam guessing it covered all platforms right?
[00:44] <charlie-tca> And they monitored every call. All playstations.
[00:44] <Brad450> ill remember that for later :)
[00:44] <charlie-tca> I quit right about the time the ps3 came out
[00:45] <charlie-tca> They wanted to make sure we were doing things right.
[00:47] <Brad450> where you doing all this testing while working for sony? iam sure they could use you for software testing
[00:47] <charlie-tca> No, I wasn't testing then.
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Sony software testers have to be gamers. I don't qualify
[00:48] <Brad450> i think they are looking for people to test GUI
[00:48] <Brad450> i dont think they want gamers for GUI testing
[00:48] <charlie-tca> They don't limit it to GUI. You have to know the playstation to test it.
[00:48] <Brad450> ahh i hear u
[00:49] <Brad450> if only the GPU was unlocked on the dam linux side on this machine!!!
[00:50] <charlie-tca> :(
[00:50] <Brad450> its a bummer because the gpu has acces to half the darn ram
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Yes, but it works great for games, right?
[00:51] <Brad450> ya AMAZING if only i could show the worls what it ti iam testing
[00:52] <Brad450> man my keyboard is so senstive that if i hit a leter by going to another it enters it!!!!!!!!!!!! grrrr
[00:52] <Brad450> and sometimes it doesnt register
[00:52] <charlie-tca> hate that sensitive a keyboard
[00:53] <Brad450> charlie iam urging you to look out at E3 for the game iam testing. its pre alpha and it looks better than any thing ive seen
[00:54] <Brad450> i hope they decide to announce it tho
[00:54] <charlie-tca> I don't play games.
[00:55] <charlie-tca> Mahjong is my game
[00:55] <Brad450> lol well i tested that LOL its on the playstation store lol funny you brought that up lol testing it got me addicted
[00:56] <charlie-tca> It's one of the few games I really enjoy
[00:57] <Brad450> at first i asked for a new assignment  it was that or i was off the job for good. so i mean i really had no choice and i got hoocked on it
[00:58] <charlie-tca> It's kind of relaxing after a while
[01:00] <Brad450> so sorry
[01:00] <Brad450> i left by accident
[01:00] <R1cochet> any good guis to encocde from dvd to mkv?
[01:00] <Brad450> charlie u there
[01:00] <Brad450> ??
[01:00] <charlie-tca> yeah
[01:00] <Brad450> k thought i lost you
[01:01] <charlie-tca> No, I'll be here a long time tonight, testing these images
[01:01] <charlie-tca> I run them through virtualbox and hardware, to make sure they are working
[01:02] <Brad450> hey ever do testing on security systems?
[01:02] <charlie-tca> no
[01:03] <Brad450> looking for some effective sollutions for a client thats been getting alot of ¨trouble¨ lately
[01:03] <charlie-tca> I don't understand them enough
[01:03] <Brad450> any suggestions?
[01:03] <charlie-tca> No, I managed to get my own systems secure, but I don't even know if I could reproduce what I have.
[01:04] <Brad450> iam totally un secure i have my Ps3 in DMZ in my router iam in deep doodoo lol
[01:05] <Brad450> all my debug reports are encrypted and sent printed out and snt by mail iam the only out of house tester for ubisoft in montreal and they have 2000+ employees
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Nice
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Sometimes, we get lucky, huh?
[01:06] <Brad450> well my friend got me the job lol hes incharge of Q&A
[01:08] <Brad450> lol the only hard part is bug reports in this job cause you need to record the time of the glitch or bug then go into the log wich can get as big as 4 gb each and see whats going on
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Everything has it's drawbacks. The testing is worth the frustration
[01:10] <Brad450> well i know that alot of people get a nice gaming experience because of the work i do and that is something i find important when you pay 60$ for a game
[01:11] <Brad450> 67-167-117-152 ROCKO is that ur IP
[01:11] <charlie-tca> Exactly. Everytime somebody says "wasn't this tested?", I can honestly answer
[01:11] <Brad450> yes it was
[01:12] <rocko> why do you ask Brad450 ?
[01:12] <Brad450> because showing it off to the world especially in a IRC channel is not very safe
[01:13] <Brad450> would you like a DDoS attack today?
[01:14] <rocko> I know that Brad450
[01:14] <rocko> what difference does it make Brad450
[01:14]  * zoredache points at /who Brad450 
[01:14] <Brad450> charlie: you ever here people complain about something you tested does it just piss you off?
[01:14] <zoredache> best not to cast stones until you clean up your own details first
[01:14] <Brad450> lol nice one lol
[01:14] <rocko> people know your ip when you use bittorrent or any other p2p protocol Brad450
[01:14] <Brad450> i try and stay away from them lol
[01:15] <rocko> I never had a dos attack ever
[01:15] <charlie-tca> No, because the fact it failed for them is not good. Maybe I just became used to it or my hardware is different
[01:15] <Brad450> well it isnt like that for games because eveyones hardware is the EXACT same
[01:15] <charlie-tca> Brad450: my ip address is always shown, too. But you won't get to me through it.
[01:16] <Brad450> ya thats certain lol
[01:16] <charlie-tca> Most of the time it's shown if you are on Freenode, too
[01:17] <Brad450> are you like the guy above my last post or something lol
[01:18] <Brad450> when some gamer says that like the framerate sucks or if the game is laggy its like i didnt do a good enough job
[01:19] <charlie-tca> some of it depends on the equipment and some depends on the options they select.
[01:20] <Brad450> not really in games everyone has the exact same and on the playstation or xbox resolution has nothing much to do with it since its all upscaled anyways
[01:22] <Brad450> can someone help me with installing GNOME in a xfce environment?
[01:23] <charlie-tca> Are you just installing gnome, or the ubuntu-desktop?
[01:24] <Brad450> ubuntu desktop lol
[01:25] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <charlie-tca> no
[01:25] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <charlie-tca> After it gets done, before you login, you can pick Xfce or Gnome session
[01:26] <Brad450> ahh ok
[01:27] <Brad450> ok its done lol
[01:27] <msgeek> OK guys, I'm using intrepid here, and I don't see any way of setting up a video overlay in xorg.conf
[01:27] <msgeek> xorg.conf is BLANK
[01:27] <msgeek> How do you pass arguments to Xorg?
[01:27] <msgeek> My video card needs video overlay space to play video.
[01:28] <charlie-tca> You can add them to Xorg.conf the same as always.
[01:28] <msgeek> why is the file blank???
[01:29] <msgeek> Are video preferences stored somewhere else???
[01:31] <Brad450> anyone know if linux could work on this  http://us.fixstars.com/products/gigaaccel/
[01:33] <rocko> Brad450 you did not read the specs did you
[01:33] <rocko> it says that it does
[01:34] <rocko> Operating Systems 	IBM SLOF firmware
[01:34] <rocko> Yellow Dog Enterprise Linux user OS
[01:34] <msgeek> I don't want to frakk up my X Server.
[01:35] <msgeek> So I am looking for someone with clue to help me with this.
[01:35] <rocko> what do you need msgeek ?
[01:35] <msgeek> In the current release of Xubuntu, 8.10, Xorg.conf is BLANK
[01:35] <msgeek> Obviously the video configuration info is being stored ELSEWHERE
[01:36] <msgeek> I need to set up a video overlay.
[01:36] <msgeek> My computer needs it to play DVDs.
[01:36] <msgeek> I have all the evil wicked codecs.
[01:36] <msgeek> But what I've been getting is an error about BadAlloc
[01:36] <msgeek> Which means that by default the video overlay is NOT set up.
[01:37] <msgeek> I have been searching Google in vain for an answer to how to set this up in 8.10
[01:37] <msgeek> I know how to do this with Debian Lenny
[01:37] <charlie-tca> xorg is now taken care of by hal, so the file is not used unless you add to it
[01:37] <Brad450> how can i go into another session i need to leave this one right??
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Brad450: yes
[01:38] <rocko> charlie-tca how do you find out what hal is doing with it ?
[01:38] <charlie-tca> no idea
[01:38] <msgeek> Is mousepad an editor that adds crap to a file, or is it ASCII clean?
[01:38] <msgeek> I like neither Vi nor EMACS.
[01:38] <charlie-tca> mousepad is ASCII clean
[01:38] <msgeek> Good.
[01:39] <msgeek> So I can edit the xorg.conf in that?
[01:39] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:39] <msgeek> Awesome.
[01:39] <msgeek> This is my first time using xubuntu, I'm a KDE refugee.
[01:39] <msgeek> 4x is just...too...much for a Thinkpad 600x
[01:39] <msgeek> It's even too much for a Thinkpad T22
[01:40] <msgeek> So I'm used to the KDE way of doing things.
[01:40] <msgeek> However, I *do* like the cleanliness of xubuntu.
[01:40] <msgeek> It's very Zen.
[01:40] <charlie-tca> we will try to help you
[01:41] <msgeek> Thanx, appreciated.
[01:41] <msgeek> So I just add the lines to the blank xorg.conf?
[01:42] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:43] <msgeek> Including the headers?
[01:43] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:44] <msgeek> First two lines are:
[01:44] <msgeek> (check me on this OK)
[01:44] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[01:45] <ron_o> I don't know where to ask this. I need amplification of my cable line to my modem. Can you place amplifiers in series?
[01:45] <charlie-tca> for that
[01:45] <msgeek> Device Option "OverlayMem" "820000"
[01:45] <msgeek> Device is on a separate line, of course.
[01:46] <msgeek> Screen DefaultDepth 16
[01:46] <msgeek> Again, Screen is a separate line
[01:47] <msgeek> Display Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:47] <msgeek> Is this all I need in my xorg.conf or do I need other stuffs?
[01:47] <charlie-tca> should be a closing line too?
[01:47] <msgeek> And BTW there seems to be odd characters added to the file.
[01:48] <msgeek> I'm asking you, Charlie.
[01:48] <msgeek> So maybe editing using mousepad might not be so great.
[01:48] <msgeek> Suggestions for a good graphical programmer's editor that will play nicely with xubuntu and not be too heavy?
[01:49] <charlie-tca> gedit
[01:49] <rocko> charlie-tca how do you do it?
[01:49] <rocko> how do you find out how hal is handling xorg ?
[01:49] <charlie-tca> do what?
[01:50] <Brad450> hahaha iam running ububntu desktop now lol
[01:51] <charlie-tca> rocko: I don't know
[01:52] <rocko> how is that funny Brad450
[01:52] <charlie-tca> msgeek: you could copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf off the the live cd for 8.10. That will have the correct lines in it.
[01:52] <Brad450> lol iam just so happy because everything is working i was having very bad problems before
[01:52] <charlie-tca> Mousepad should not add anything extra to the lines.
[01:53] <msgeek> gedit is not showing up in the repository.
[01:53] <Brad450> ubuntu is alot easier to use lol
[01:53] <rocko> gnome is made to be extra easy
[01:54] <charlie-tca> msgeek: try text-editor then. It is another name for it
[01:54] <rocko> so much so that it can be annoying for advanced users
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Brad450: That is correct. If it works on your equipment. It is made for beginners
[01:54] <msgeek> nm, got gedit via apt-get
[01:54] <yuri_> Q: im looking for a gnome-do/kicker like thing for xfce4. any reccs?
[01:55] <charlie-tca> Are you starting the editor with gksu?
[01:55] <msgeek> I do have some commandline-fu.
[01:55] <charlie-tca> yuri_: install gnome-do?
[01:55] <yuri_> charlie-tca: want to avoid. i have a tiny hdd and it installs 40mb of deps
[01:55] <charlie-tca> I figured as much. coming from KDE, asking for an ASCII editor.
[01:55] <msgeek> I'm not a master at it like my boyfriend is but I get by.
[01:56] <charlie-tca> You will do fine
[01:56] <Brad450> anyone know of any good P2P clients?
[01:56] <charlie-tca> I'm not sure what gnome-do does, yuri_
[01:57] <yuri_> charlie-tca: its a quick launcher. i hit a hotkey and start typing in what i want and it autocompletes. its similar to alt+f2 but more functional
[01:58] <charlie-tca> I see
[01:58] <msgeek> awesome, it's up. It shows up as "text editor" in the menus. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...sometimes when you are dealing with a distro like the ubuntu variants the "made easy" stuff sometimes makes matters worse.
[01:59] <msgeek> So I know what I need to do.
[01:59] <msgeek> (sweatdrops)
[01:59] <msgeek> Thank you guys...
[01:59] <charlie-tca> I know. Gedit is a good editor. lots of options, when you want them.
[02:01] <yuri_> Brad450: what kind of things do you want to download?
[02:01] <Brad450> any generally usefull apps
[02:01] <yuri_> Brad450: for xubuntu?
[02:02] <yuri_> Brad450: you want to download applications for xubuntu?
[02:02] <Brad450> well iam running ubuntu desktop in xubuntu on PS3
[02:03] <yuri_> is there something that you cannot find in the repositories?
[02:03] <yuri_> are you new to linux?
[02:03] <Brad450> i need a good P2P client if possible something on par with limewire or frostwire
[02:04] <yuri_> lol. those are terrible clients. however, give me a sec
[02:05] <Brad450> lol they only ones that the poeple iam sharing with are using its mostly only needs direct link iam sending bug reports threw it
[02:06] <yuri_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[02:06] <Brad450> will this run on PS3? or is that really a problem
[02:07] <yuri_> if you have the OS installed and are running it, everything should work just like a pc.
[02:07] <Brad450> ok thanks man
[02:08] <disassembler> can someone tell me how i can "make" a package? i'm trying to install the last.fm player and it's not a .deb extension.
[02:08] <disassembler> also, it's not showing up in synaptic. i think it did on the pc i used to have because i had it installed on there and i don't think i compiled it manually.
[02:09] <Brad450> if i download something in firefox is it automatically placed on the desktop
[02:09] <Brad450> ?
[02:11] <yuri_> yea if thats the default... or its in your home dir
[02:12] <Brad450> no no its on the desktop like i had it on my windows pc. just that that installins packs was more complecated thna this lol
[02:12] <Brad450> wow LAG
[02:12] <yuri_> installation packs?
[02:13] <yuri_> are you downloading an .EXE?
[02:13] <Brad450> sorry i meant that i thought it was more difficult than this
[02:13] <Brad450> no lol its .DEB
[02:13] <yuri_> apps that you are used to u
[02:13] <yuri_> in windows behave more or less the same way across systems
[02:14] <yuri_> if they are cross platform, that is
[02:14] <yuri_> like firefox
[02:15] <Brad450> ok but like when i was thinking about linux a couple months back i thought you had to put in like commands in terminal to get packs (wich you do) but its easy i thought it was like using windows command line something i never use unless iam playing my old DOS games
[02:16] <yuri_> you have an outdated perception of linux... everything you say is true but there is a graphical way to do everything in ubuntu
[02:16] <Brad450> ok lol frostwire isnt starting?
[02:17] <Brad450> AHHHHH i need JAVA
[02:17] <Brad450> ok where can i get java lol
[02:17] <yuri_> do yourself a favour
[02:17] <yuri_> open a terminal
[02:17] <Brad450> lol
[02:18] <yuri_> type in "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras"
[02:19] <yuri_> that should be "ubuntu" not xubuntu
[02:19] <Brad450> is it normal that the terminal background is white? cause it used to be black
[02:19] <Brad450> n
[02:19] <yuri_> yea your ps3 is going to melt if its white :P
[02:19] <shear> has anyone in here used the version of xubuntu with the eee customized kernel?
[02:20] <Brad450> i know people have
[02:20] <Brad450> but how i got no idea
[02:20] <shear> I'm trying to get my usb set up to install on my eeepc, but the eeexubuntu live cd won't run on my computer to create an installer on the key
[02:20] <shear> :P
[02:20] <Brad450> yuri: what was that you got me to install lol
[02:20] <shear> in that case, do you know if there is a separate channel for the eeexubuntu project?
[02:21] <yuri_> Brad450: its a one command that gets you audio/video codecs, flash, java, truetype fonts, dvd playback and some other stuff
[02:22] <Sw3RvE> when i boot from my usb flash drive i get this message: invalid or damaged ...
[02:22] <Brad450> nice man that will save me some time on the IRC channels lol "how do i ...."
[02:22] <yuri_> yea its the first thing i do when installing a new system
[02:22] <Brad450> will this enable youtube playback i had trouble with that
[02:22] <yuri_> yes
[02:22] <Brad450> ?
[02:22] <Brad450> ok kewl
[02:22] <Brad450> ty
[02:23] <yuri_> np
[02:24] <Brad450> i can delete the frostwire packagefrom my desktop right?
[02:24] <yuri_> yes
[02:24] <Brad450> ok just wanted to clear that up lol
[02:25] <Brad450> linux is a little slow when trying to multitask but so would anything with 256mb of ram lol
[02:26] <Brad450> on the ps3 that is
[02:27] <Sw3RvE> you got vram swap to work?
[02:27] <yuri_> when you d/l a large amount of files from the repositories, it tends to be quite resource intensive. packages need to be downloaded, extracted, set-up, linked, keys verified etc etc.
[02:28] <Brad450> whats vram swap?
[02:28] <Sw3RvE> it enabled the use of the video ram on the ps3
[02:29] <Sw3RvE> enables
[02:29] <Brad450> are u serious i thought it was locked?
[02:29] <Sw3RvE> no the video card is locked
[02:29] <Sw3RvE> thats a whole different thing
[02:29] <Sw3RvE> im talking about using the memory in the video card
[02:29] <Brad450> ya i thought that meant the ram too ok how do i enable it lol PLZ
[02:30] <yuri_> Sw3RvE: they still didnt hack the vid card in the ps3? been a while
[02:30] <Sw3RvE> it might only work when using yellowdog tho
[02:30] <charlie-tca> shear: we do have people runnung xubuntu on the eeepc
[02:30] <Brad450> HEY JAN you live in quebec?
[02:30] <Jan|> yeah
[02:30] <Brad450> lol laval
[02:30] <Jan|> the province
[02:31] <Brad450> where?
[02:31] <shear> charlie-tca, i think i'm just gonna do the custom kernel myself
[02:31] <Sw3RvE> can someone help me fix my bootable usb of xubuntu
[02:31] <Jan|> Brad450 montreal
[02:31] <Brad450> lol iam in vimont
[02:31] <Sw3RvE> when i try to boot it... i get: Invalid or damaged Bootable partition
[02:31] <shear> rather than use the eeeXubuntu project
[02:31] <Jan|> I've installed xubuntu in english how do I get the apps to display french menus?
[02:32] <zoredache> Sw3RvE: backup the stuff on your usb drive, and wipe the partition, and repartition+reformat it maybe
[02:32] <Sw3RvE> zored i used the app in ubuntu.
[02:32] <charlie-tca> talk to knome when he is here. normally about 6 hours vfrom now
[02:32] <Sw3RvE> so is there a command on linux to format the flash drive or do i need to use windows to format it?
[02:33] <zoredache> gparted is nice tool for partitioning+formatting
[02:33] <charlie-tca> he is using a different kernel with xubuntu
[02:33] <zoredache> or if you are a cli person just use cfdisk + mkfs
[02:34] <Brad450> ok frostwire is still not starting up?
[02:34] <Sw3RvE> yea im using xubuntu 8.10 xfce
[02:34] <Sw3RvE> ill just use windows
[02:34] <DaGr8Gatzby> Hello all. I was wondering if someone could assist me with the task of installing Alpha 4 Jaunty on my PS3
[02:35] <DaGr8Gatzby> I just need to get kboot to actually start the process
[02:35] <DaGr8Gatzby> that's what I am having trouble with
[02:36] <Sw3RvE> now how do i partition the flash drive? or will the app in ubuntu partition it for me?
[02:38] <zoredache> Sw3RvE: which tool did you decide to use?
[02:38] <Sw3RvE> for which task?
[02:38] <Sw3RvE> i formated it using Windows XP.
[02:38] <Sw3RvE> in FAT
[02:38] <Sw3RvE> is that why it didnt work?
[02:39] <Sw3RvE> it was FAT when i put xubuntu on it the first time.
[02:39] <charlie-tca> Brad450: you install xubuntu on a ps3?
[02:39] <Sw3RvE> DaGr8Gatzy do you have the OTHEROS file?
[02:41] <Brad450> ya then moved over to ubuntu desktop
[02:41] <Brad450> like an hour ago lol
[02:41] <Sw3RvE> i like xubuntu better. it operates faster.
[02:42] <Brad450> ya but iam new to the whole linux and XFCE was giving me some MAJOR desktop issues
[02:42] <charlie-tca> DaGr8Gatzby needs a little help
[02:42] <Sw3RvE> no you were giving yourself those issues. lol
[02:43] <Sw3RvE> i asked him if he had the otheros files. you need those to install another operating system.
[02:43] <Brad450> ya you need the otheros.bld file
[02:43] <Sw3RvE> no its 2 files
[02:43] <Sw3RvE> thats one of them
[02:43] <charlie-tca> DaGr8Gatzby: see above
[02:43] <Brad450> no the self files was in one of the FW updates you dont need tit anymore
[02:44] <Brad450> ***.SELF
[02:44] <Brad450> all you need is .BLD
[02:44] <Sw3RvE> you get a flash drive and make a folder called "PS3" then inside PS3 you make a folder called "otheros" then inside that you have 2 files. the first file is otheros.bld. the second file is otheros.self
[02:44] <Sw3RvE> oh
[02:45] <Sw3RvE> well i used it and it worked. but yours worked too so either/or
[02:45] <Brad450> well i know that sony doesnt supply the link and many guys over on YDL say you dont need it
[02:45] <Brad450> and i only put .BLD on my disc and it worked
[02:46] <Sw3RvE> oh you put it on a disc
[02:46] <Sw3RvE> i used a flash drive to install hat
[02:46] <Brad450> redhat on the ps3? is that possible?
[02:46] <Sw3RvE> zoredache you there?
[02:47] <Sw3RvE> no, typo. *that*
[02:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> sorry about that
[02:47] <zoredache> somewhat
[02:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> Sw3RvE: I'm actually able to get into kboot
[02:47] <Sw3RvE> do i need to format the drive into a specific format
[02:47] <dontbestupid> hi guys, had a few questions about xubuntu
[02:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> the problem is when I hit install
[02:47] <Sw3RvE> or will FAT work?
[02:48] <DaGr8Gatzby> if I just type install it will actually just hang my PS3
[02:48] <DaGr8Gatzby> if I hit install nosplash, it drops it into initramfs prompt
[02:48] <Brad450> well i just had to hit enter
[02:49] <Brad450> and the otheros.bld file i think only accepts EXT3 not sure tho
[02:50] <DaGr8Gatzby> I saw the ubuntu line that said I needed to manually specify the kernel. I used this line: ///mnt/root/casper/vmlinux initrd=///mnt/root/casper/initrd.gz root=/dev/ps3da but then I get an error that says no device /dev/ps3da
[02:52] <dontbestupid> I have an old compaq lying around with two nics and wanted to setup a little networking monitoring device that would sit behind the modem, but in front of the router. Wasn't sure if xubuntu was the right distro to use or if there was something better?
[02:52] <Brad450> did you download a ISO to your thumb drive?
[02:53] <DaGr8Gatzby> Brad450: no, running off the CD
[02:53] <DaGr8Gatzby> 0223 daily build
[02:54] <charlie-tca> dontbestupid: I do that
[02:55] <dontbestupid> charlie-tca have you set something up like this before?
[02:56] <Brad450> ok what i did was burn the xubuntu onto a cd because i couldnt download the ubuntu one because i dont have a DVD burner. so i downloaded the ISO and burned it to a disc MAKE SURE WHEN YOU BURN IT IT IS AT 8X speed or else you wont be able to install it
[02:56] <charlie-tca> not until I set up a box to act as a server
[02:57] <charlie-tca> I burned up the router, so I replaced it with a switch
[02:57] <dontbestupid> i see
[02:57] <dontbestupid> i wanted to fool around with some hardware lying around, thought a network sniffer would be interesting
[02:58] <dontbestupid> so is your box acting as the router as well
[02:59] <charlie-tca> Yes, it acts as the router now. I have two nics in it, one from the DSL modem and one out to the switch
[03:00] <charlie-tca> I run Xubuntu 8.04 on it.
[03:00] <charlie-tca> only because I upgraded from 6.06
[03:00] <Brad450> who needed help with installing on theyre PS3?
[03:00] <charlie-tca> DaGr8Gatzby:
[03:01] <DaGr8Gatzby> yes?
[03:01] <DaGr8Gatzby> I did
[03:01] <Brad450> what you need help with
[03:01] <charlie-tca> I tried a server install, but found I get along better with the GUI
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> I just need to be able to get the Xubuntu Alpha 4 Jaunty CD to load the installer
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> I'm capable of doing the rest
[03:02] <dontbestupid> goticha how difficult would it be to for compaq/xubuntu box too operate as a simple transparent bridge between the modem and router? any tutorials out there worth noting?
[03:02] <charlie-tca> DaGr8Gatzby: You are using the ps3 cd, right
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> right
[03:02] <Brad450> are you an experienced linux user
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> yes
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> I use it everyday
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> and also I've already instaleld PSUbuntu 8.10 successfully
[03:02] <DaGr8Gatzby> so I know its possible
[03:03] <DaGr8Gatzby> that kboot error is killing me
[03:03] <DaGr8Gatzby> that's all
[03:03] <DaGr8Gatzby> it keeps dropping me in an initramfs prompt
[03:04] <charlie-tca> dontbestupid: it should  not be too hard. There is some good information on the help wiki:
[03:04] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[03:04] <dontbestupid> thanks
[03:04] <Brad450> ok well the following info will be in NOOB speak iam a noob. can you just intall the regualar ISO? if so youll want to make sure that its written at 8X speed
[03:04] <charlie-tca> upper right corner, search box for server
[03:04] <charlie-tca> or router or bridge or ???
[03:05] <charlie-tca> I did follow something there
[03:12] <DaGr8Gatzby> does anyone have any suggestions?
[03:13] <charlie-tca> cd passes integrity check, right?
[03:13] <charlie-tca> Burn another cd, at a very slow burn rate, maybe
[03:13] <DaGr8Gatzby> I already burned it at 8x :)
[03:16] <RAVTUX> hello all
[03:20] <Brad450> everyone still here
[03:20] <RAVTUX> I'm here
[03:22] <Brad450> charlie?
[03:22] <charlie-tca> more or less
[03:22] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying
[03:22] <Brad450> lol did whats his name solve his problem?
[03:23] <charlie-tca> not yet
[03:23] <Brad450> did he burn it at 8x speed
[03:26] <DaGr8Gatzby> yesI did
[03:26] <DaGr8Gatzby> :)
[03:28] <charlie-tca> you could always try in #ps3 and see if they have any answers. Not many people there, though
[03:28] <Brad450> can you use the regular ISO?
[03:28] <DaGr8Gatzby> no you can't use the regular ISO because it's a PPC based one
[03:31] <Brad450> well isnt theyre a PS3 iso image
[03:33] <DaGr8Gatzby> yes there is brad
[03:33] <DaGr8Gatzby> and as I've stated, I have burnt that one. However, I cannot get past an error that drops me in initramfs
[03:34] <DaGr8Gatzby> ah he quit :)
[04:04] <Crumley> Anyone have a solution for constant freezes after log in?
[04:04] <Crumley> Or during installation?
[04:04] <Sw3RvE> dagreat why dont you use yellowdog 6.1
[04:05] <Sw3RvE> if you want to use that alpha version you should probably use it on a pc
[04:05] <zoredache> Crumley: have you tired running memtest86 or pherpas try run badblocks on your hard drive
[04:06] <Crumley> zoredache: yes, i have been waiting on someone to maybe give me input on the forums. I ran about 18 passes with memtest86 and brought back no errors. My RAM is practically new, so naturally, nothing is wrong with it.
[04:06] <Sw3RvE> ydl 6.1 enables vram swap which is it uses the video cards ram plus the ram that sony allows the otheros to use.
[04:07] <zoredache> actually I have had more problems with 'new' memory then old...  usually once memory has tested good it stays good unless you mess around with overclocking or have bad power
[04:07] <Crumley> zoredache: this is what happened, I installed xubuntu successfully after the second attempt. after which it froze up during updating, I had to hard reboot. when i booted back up, it gave me an error about something stopping abruptly and i no longer had like any administrative privilages or anything, i couldnt even load firefox or basic aps.
[04:08] <zoredache> but if you got through 18 passes, your memroy is probably good
[04:08] <Crumley> zoredache: i am running from live CD right now, it is the only thing that works.
[04:08] <zoredache> so the livecd runs fine..... hrm....
[04:09] <Crumley> zoredache: I have so far ruled out RAM, BIOS, and HDD. Only thing I could think of is graphics, but this is the most least demanding desktop environment
[04:09] <Crumley> zoredache: I have so far had more success with Xubuntu than Ubuntu or openSUSE.
[04:10] <Crumley> zoredache: but I have been working with Linux now for 2 weeks trying to get something to run, and all distros have frozen on me.
[04:11] <Sw3RvE_USB> woo im using usb version lol
[04:13] <zoredache> you said you ruled out the harddrive, how did you do that?
[04:14] <Crumley> zoredache: just assuming, i've never had any trouble out of it before. and i haven't read much about HDD causing freezes. i haven't run any tests on it. i don't know what to do that with.
[04:17] <Sw3RvE> thanks for the help zored
[04:17] <zoredache> your welcome
[04:18] <Sw3RvE> im going play socom
[04:20] <Crumley> zoredache: how do i test my harddrive?
[04:22] <zoredache> I don't know of any good tools that are free...
[04:22] <Crumley> well, if i just bought a new one what would be a good one that is compatible with xubuntu?
[04:23] <zoredache> I know badblocks will work somewhat, but to get into the mode that really test, I think it erases stuff on your drive
[04:23] <zoredache> Crumley: drives are drives pretty much any drive should work...  I don't think I would best money on a new one yet...
[04:25] <Crumley> zoredache: i mean, they're cheap enough that I could spare an extra 50 bucks on a decent one that would work. I am just getting really stressed out with this. I want it to work, I have no OS on my machine.
[04:26] <zoredache> if there is nothing on the drive already, then you might want to try running badblocks against the drive
[04:27] <Crumley> what is it and where do i get it from
[04:28] <zoredache> it should already be on your livecd...  you would run a command like 'sudo badblocks -w -p 2 /dev/sda'
[04:29] <Crumley> ok
[04:29] <zoredache> maybe sudo badblocks -s -w -p 2 /dev/sda1
[04:29] <zoredache> the /dev/sd?? should be your device for your hard disk...
[04:30] <zoredache> use a command like 'sudo fdisk -l' to list your drives and the partitions
[04:30] <Crumley> my terminal isn't loading..
[04:32] <DaGr8Gatzby> I just like bleeding edge
[04:34] <Crumley> er well i have to hit the bed for the night. class tomorrow. peace
[04:58] <charlie-tca> bug 334341
[04:58] <zoredache> ubottu: sometimes you are kind of annoying...  This split personality you have confuses me
[04:59] <charlie-tca> now it knows!
[05:00] <zoredache> hrm...  I would prefer if he simply works the way I expected
[06:01] <knome> shear, http://array.org/ubuntu/ for a custom kernel.
[06:01] <knome> shear, works with any normal *buntu* installation and you want have any broken hardware/features
[06:01] <knome> shear, and you can save yourself from the hassle
[06:04] <knome> shear, i'm not sure if the intrepid kernel works, though. i use hardy kernel in my intrepid eeepc. didn't have luck with it when i tested, but it's been a while already.
[06:04] <knome> ->
[06:06] <shear> awesome
[06:06] <shear> ty
[06:07] <shear> esc to boot from the usb, no?
[06:07] <shear> knome
[06:44] <shear> well this is a pita
[07:56] <^law^> helo
[07:56] <^law^> anybody here installed db2 on ubuntu?
[08:00] <^law^> ?
[08:02] <^law^> anybody here installed db2 on ubuntu?
[08:04] <nikolam> ^law^, try #db2 channel :)
[08:05] <^law^> thx
[08:19] <Myrtti> ^law^: you might find better answers on a db2 channel, or alternatively, #ubuntu-server
[08:20] <Myrtti> also, crossposting to several channels is a bit frowned upon.
[08:24] <John> Quick Q
[08:27] <Juan> i have Windows XP and Xubuntu Dual Booted onto a Dell Ispiron 8500 i want to remove XP completely. how do i unpartition the drive and give everything to Xubuntu?
[08:28] <JuanL> anyone?
[08:29] <JuanL> i tried Googling and searching around but no luck in a solution
[08:30] <zoredache> JuanL: it might be easiest to boot off the livecd, and run gparted
[08:31] <JuanL> that would completely remove XP?
[08:31] <JuanL> i want to basically Obliterate XP and keep nothing but my Xubuntu
[08:31] <JuanL> i'm doing a complete switch over to Linux
[08:32] <JuanL> "conversion" if you will.
[08:32] <zoredache> gparted lets you add/remove partitions.  Unless you are using wubi you should be able to simply delete the windows parition and then resize your linux parititions
[08:32] <zoredache> you probably should backup any important data first, just incase something bad happens
[08:33] <JuanL> i have everything from windows on a external 640GB
[08:33] <JuanL> back up everything i dled in xubuntu as well?
[08:34] <JuanL> cause i WAS thinking of just using the installation CD and wiping the entire drive and letting it install clean again. but i was looking for a way around that
[08:34] <zoredache> it is always a good idea to have backups...  There is always a chance something could break for some reason
[08:35] <JuanL> ok no prob then i'll backup all the things i have in xubuntu now
[08:35] <JuanL> i'm currently using it right now to access xchat
[08:42] <rocko> http://www.acm.org/crossroads/wikifiles/13-2-S/hiResImages/timeLine_3.jpg
[09:04] <highvoltage> hi
[09:05] <highvoltage> does /etc/xfg/xfce4/xinitrc get run every time a user logs on?
[09:10] <TheSheep> highvoltage: no
[09:11] <TheSheep> highvoltage: use autostarted applications for that
[09:17] <highvoltage> TheSheep: do I do that by putting a .desktop file in a directory somewhere?
[09:17] <highvoltage> (I want it for all users
[09:17] <highvoltage> )
[09:22] <TheSheep> highvoltage: in /etc/xdg/autostart, iirc
[09:22] <TheSheep> highvoltage: if you want it for all users
[09:24] <highvoltage> ok thanks
[13:34] <Brad450> how can i get youtube playback in xubuntu on PS3?
[13:35] <DaGr8Gatzby> I would use the mplayer-plugin
[13:35] <DaGr8Gatzby> gnash doesn't really work
[13:35] <Brad450> ok thats a plugin for firefox if iam not mistaken right?
[13:38] <Brad450> is it mozilla-mplayer in synaptic??
[13:40] <DaGr8Gatzby> sudo apt-get install mplayer mozilla-mplayer
[13:40] <DaGr8Gatzby> try that :)_
[13:40] <Myrtti> swfdec...
[13:43] <Brad450> so gatzby did you fix ur problem from last night??
[13:45] <DaGr8Gatzby> nope
[13:45] <DaGr8Gatzby> I got further
[13:46] <Brad450> sorry to hear that?
[13:46] <DaGr8Gatzby> seems like ubiquity hangs the PS3
[13:46] <Brad450> well the PS3 does not have much ram as it should
[13:46] <DaGr8Gatzby> yea its 256 Mb
[13:46] <DaGr8Gatzby> you should still be able to run a text based installer
[13:46] <DaGr8Gatzby> I think
[13:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> I'm runnign the alternate CD so it's not loading a live cd environment
[13:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> I did manage to get past the first hang
[13:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> I was using this line: install expert nosplash only-ubiquity video=ps3fb:mode:3
[13:48] <Brad450> ok nothing is happening on youtube the player is there and every thing it just doesnt play
[13:52] <Brad450> ok dound out i need Fluendo's codecs but its like 40$ anyone know of a free way around this?
[13:52] <Brad450> ***found
[13:54] <DaGr8Gatzby> http://psubuntu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=765
[13:54] <DaGr8Gatzby> Brad450: try totem-mozilla
[13:55] <Pres-Gas> Good mornin'
[14:01] <Brad450> anyone know of a good P2P client that has direct IP connection?
[14:04] <DaGr8Gatzby> what network?
[14:04] <DaGr8Gatzby> I just use transmission
[14:04] <DaGr8Gatzby> that works REALLY well
[14:04] <DaGr8Gatzby> if you want something CLI driven to save on memory, use rtorrent
[14:04] <DaGr8Gatzby> rtorrent also rocks
[14:04] <Brad450> any one really but i used Gnuttela before
[14:05] <Brad450> well frostwire doesnt work for some reason on PS3 ive installed all the required foftware but nothing happens
[14:05] <Brad450> **software
[14:07] <DaGr8Gatzby> yea
[14:07] <DaGr8Gatzby> I would try mutella
[14:09] <Brad450> is that the network? or program?
[14:10] <DaGr8Gatzby> program
[14:15] <Brad450> synaptic comes up empty. sudo?
[14:18] <eth> new user looking for some advice on tuning xubuntu for speed. Can anybody help?
[14:19] <DaGr8Gatzby> shit Brad450 you may have to compile by sourrce
[14:24] <DaGr8Gatzby> eth: what arch
[14:24] <DaGr8Gatzby> ?
[14:25] <eth> dagr Pentium 3 470Mhz 320 mb
[14:26] <DaGr8Gatzby> yea kernel recompile
[14:26] <DaGr8Gatzby> that would be the first step
[14:27] <DaGr8Gatzby> it'd be relatively easy since you have a well known architecture
[14:27] <DaGr8Gatzby> but I'm no expert
[14:27] <DaGr8Gatzby> you may also look into hdparm or a similar tool to optimize your disks
[14:30] <eth> DaGr8:  what can I do from inside the OS. Any options I can choose? Any unwanted bits I can shut down? I just wnt to surf. gmail and utube really.
[14:31] <DaGr8Gatzby> You can do that inside the OS. You need to do it as root though.
[14:31] <DaGr8Gatzby> As for general optimization, I really can't think of anything else righ tnow
[14:31] <DaGr8Gatzby> Brad450: gtk-gnutella is good too
[14:32] <DaGr8Gatzby> Brad450: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mutella
[14:32] <DaGr8Gatzby> it doesn't appear to be in Intrepid
[14:54] <Brad450> ok i got it its installing not sure it will work tho
[14:58] <Brad450> IT WORKS TY MAN
[15:01] <DaGr8Gatzby> which one did you try?
[15:12] <Brad450> GTK
[15:12] <DaGr8Gatzby> nice nice
[15:13] <Brad450> ya frostwire didnt even start up
[15:13] <DaGr8Gatzby> yea stay away from that
[15:13] <DaGr8Gatzby> for torrentz(legal) use rtorrent
[15:13] <Brad450> i still can get youtube running tho:(
[15:13] <DaGr8Gatzby> or transmission if you need a gui
[15:14] <Brad450> i have all the flash files needed but i need something to play streamed videos (what i read somewhere) any idea what i should use?
[15:15] <DaGr8Gatzby> totem-mozilla from what I've read
[15:20] <Brad450> already have that but still nothing
[15:31] <rmzeppelin> i need help in a bad way i just installed xubuntu 8.10 and installed the newest nvidia drivers off the web and thats all ive done, well i dont have a titlebar with the exit and minimize button ontop of the applications or anythingn else
[15:32] <rmzeppelin> and when i go to window manager in settings
[15:32] <rmzeppelin> it says these current settings can not work with your current window manager
[15:32] <rmzeppelin> i cant even move xchat its in the top left corner
[15:33] <rmzeppelin> its a fresh install i installed last night on a fresh format
[15:33] <rmzeppelin> so if anyone knows the solution to this please tell me and ill be more than thankfull
[15:36] <atrox_> Hi, I have a 3rd gen Ipod and I was wondering how I could transfer music over it
[15:36] <atrox_> anyone have any ideas?
[15:37] <rmzeppelin> its like its set to borderless or something
[15:37] <rmzeppelin> but is there a setting i can change that
[15:40] <spasticteapot> I have some really big problems, the first of which is that xfce4-panel won't load unless I manually tell it to after my system crashed a few days ago.
[15:41] <spasticteapot> I also get the following error on booting: Music has been mounted 36 times without being checked, check forced.
[15:41] <spasticteapot> Music: 2143/13049856 files (15.9% non-contiguous), 12638856/52177111 blocks
[15:41] <spasticteapot> fsck died with exit status 4
[15:41] <spasticteapot> Halp?
[15:46] <atrox_> just out of intrest, whats the 'best' music player?
[15:48] <spasticteapot> Amarox, Exaile, Rhythmbox, or possibly the one they bundle with Ubuntu depending on who you ask.
[15:49] <atrox_> just trying to get a general opinion
[15:51] <spasticteapot> That's like asking "What kind of car is the best?"
[15:51] <spasticteapot> The only useful answer is "What do you want to do with it?
[15:51] <atrox_> touche
[15:54] <spasticteapot> XMMS will run on a pocket calculator. Amarok has loads of features, but requires a lot of KDE stuff to run and is something of a resource hog.
[15:54] <spasticteapot> Exaile and Rhythmbox are compromises.
[15:54] <atrox_> thanks, but i'll just stick with the basic one
[15:54] <atrox_> i've read that 3rd gen ipods cant be synced
[15:54] <atrox_> is that true?
[15:54] <knome> atrox_, that might be possible with amarok.
[15:55] <knome> atrox_, #amarok for further support
[15:55] <atrox_> thanks knome
[16:28] <jarrett> Very noob question here. I was wanting to install a twitter client on my ibex install. So I downloaded adobe air (to run twhirl), but it's bin file - I don't know what to do with it.
[16:32] <gordonjcp> hi there
[16:33] <Shininggg> hi
[16:33] <gordonjcp> I'm having a problem with fldigi in Xubuntu - whenever it pops up a dialogue box, it beeps
[16:33] <gordonjcp> I don't know if this is an issue in Xubuntu, fldigi or fltk itself
[16:33] <gordonjcp> now what I can't seem to find is any way to disable all system noises in XFCE
[16:34] <Shininggg> Is there anyway to configure a shortcut to switch workspaces on mouseclick?
[16:38] <knome> Shininggg, scroll mouse on desktop?
[16:40] <Shininggg> knome : yup, any way to modify that so i can use the side buttons of a 5button mouse?
[16:41] <knome> Shininggg, i believe nope..
[16:41] <knome> Shininggg, but i can be wrong
[16:42] <Shininggg> knome :  ok thx pal
[16:43] <knome> Shininggg, an xfce developer told me that scroll is the only way - it isn't configurable
[16:43] <gordonjcp> knome: are system noises configurable?
[16:44] <knome> gordonjcp, system noises = ?
[16:44] <gordonjcp> knome: beeps when dialogue boxes pop up
[16:45] <Shininggg> gordonjcp: the stupid answer would be to unpluh that little piezo thing inside...
[16:45] <Shininggg> *unplug
[16:45] <knome> gordonjcp, which bleeps? how to reproduce that kind of bleep?
[16:46] <gordonjcp> Shininggg: it's a laptop, so no
[16:46] <knome> gordonjcp, you can set the volume of pc speaker afaik.
[16:46] <gordonjcp> knome: when fltk apps in particular pop up a dialogue, they beep
[16:46] <gordonjcp> turning down the speaker isn't an option
[16:46] <knome> fltk?
[16:46] <gordonjcp> I actually need to use sound, and I need to have no noises
[16:47] <gordonjcp> knome: fldigi is the main problem
[16:47] <knome> gordonjcp, i didn't mean *all sounds*, just the pc speaker, which makes that loud noise.
[16:47] <knome> gordonjcp, let me try.
[16:47] <gordonjcp> knome: not sure I can turn that down separately
[16:49] <knome> gordonjcp, so, what dialog should i open to get that sound?
[16:50] <gordonjcp> knome: change any setting in the config, and then close the app
[16:50] <gordonjcp> that will pop up the "save config changes" dialogue
[16:51] <knome> gordonjcp, i don't get that sound.
[16:51] <gordonjcp> hm
[16:51] <DaGr8Gatzby> gordonjcp: did you try recompiling the kernel without PC-Speaker support?
[16:52] <DaGr8Gatzby> It's just the system beep that sounds when you boot the machine up correct?
[16:52] <gordonjcp> DaGr8Gatzby: no
[16:52] <gordonjcp> DaGr8Gatzby: it's the same sort of beep, but it's not when the computer boots up
[16:53] <knome> gordonjcp, i can't even get the sound with pc speaker on... :P
[16:53] <gordonjcp> weird
[16:53] <DaGr8Gatzby> I know it's not when the computer boots up. But does it sound like that? Like a BIOS beep?
[16:54] <gordonjcp> yes, it's a PC speaker beep
[16:55] <DaGr8Gatzby> hmm
[16:55] <DaGr8Gatzby> lsmod?
[16:55] <knome> maybe it could be disabled from bios config
[16:55] <DaGr8Gatzby> uhh
[16:55] <DaGr8Gatzby> sorry modprove
[16:55] <DaGr8Gatzby> *modprobe
[16:56] <DaGr8Gatzby> what is the output of modprobe -l
[16:56] <gordonjcp> DaGr8Gatzby: I *could* rmmod the speaker module, but then it would never ever beep even if I wanted it to
[16:56] <DaGr8Gatzby> oh ok
[16:56] <DaGr8Gatzby> so you WANT it to beep
[16:56] <DaGr8Gatzby> just lower
[16:57] <gordonjcp> no, I don't want it to beep just because it has a dialogue box
[16:57] <DaGr8Gatzby> just unload the module
[16:58] <gordonjcp> when fldigi is running it's beep beep beep beep beep the whole time
[16:58] <knome> gordonjcp, maybe you have to contact the fldigi developer...
[16:58] <DaGr8Gatzby> ohh ok
[16:58] <DaGr8Gatzby> I see
[16:58] <DaGr8Gatzby> hmm
[16:58] <gordonjcp> now
[16:58] <gordonjcp> this causes problems, because the whole point is that you hook your audio output up to a transceiver
[16:59] <DaGr8Gatzby> yea that's odd. Can you specify sound sources from within the config?
[17:04] <land> anyone tried CAOS/
[17:09] <redspire> Hey, how do I remap keyboard keys in Xubuntu Ibex?  I can't find a proper howto for using the new xmodmap/evdev/whateva system.
[17:14] <gordonjcp> DaGr8Gatzby: not really
[17:14] <gordonjcp> DaGr8Gatzby: since I'm using a laptop I only have one sound device anyway
[17:15] <DaGr8Gatzby> You couldn't pipe all sound through ESD or a sound server?
[17:15] <DaGr8Gatzby> jack if yuo need a low latency sound server
[17:16] <gordonjcp> no, because it only supports OSS and pulseaudio
[17:16] <gordonjcp> which is pretty fail
[17:19] <DaGr8Gatzby> :(
[17:27] <gordonjcp> I know
[17:27] <gordonjcp> I mean, OSS?
[17:27] <gordonjcp> someone tell them that ten years ago called to say that they want their obsolete API back
[17:29] <DaGr8Gatzby> alsa isn't too good either
[17:29] <DaGr8Gatzby> :(
[19:13] <j0nr> hi, anyone able to help me troubleshoot my wireless connection?
[19:19] <Pres-Gas> !question
[19:19] <DaGr8Gatzby> j0nr: what's wrong with it? any encryption on the access point
[19:22] <j0nr> DaGr8Gatzby: basically dont see any networks...
[19:22] <j0nr> we had a powercut yesterday and since then it is not working. have reinstalled fresh xubuntu
[19:22] <j0nr> router is ok, just seems to be my laptop wifi
[19:24] <DaGr8Gatzby> intrepid 8.10?
[19:34] <JuanL> Quick Question. I Have A Brother MFC-290C which is a AIO Printer. Scan/Fax/Copy/Print the whole shabang. and i got it installed so i can print no problem. but how do i get it to scan? i'm using Xubuntu 8.10
[19:34] <DaGr8Gatzby> you did you try xscan?
[19:35] <JuanL> no i used SANE
[19:35] <JuanL> but it said no Device found
[19:35] <JuanL> it scans for Devices then says no Devices available
[19:36] <JuanL> and i got all the drivers from the brother website listed for Linux.
[19:36] <JuanL> that where in .deb
[19:36] <JuanL> and used the package installer and everything went perfectly fine. this is the only issue i'm having is scanning.
[19:36] <DaGr8Gatzby> no idea JuanL :(
[19:36] <JuanL> when i tell the printer to scan to file it says connecting to PC and on here i cna't find it.
[19:37] <pulisz> hi all
[19:37] <pulisz> pease a little help
[19:37] <pulisz> i have an old compaq laptop
[19:38] <pulisz> p3/450Mhz 196MB memorz, 20Gb hard dribve
[19:38] <pulisz> cd-rom, and pcmci network
[19:38] <pulisz> is xubuntu run in this system with graphical interface?
[19:39] <JuanL> i'm on a Old Dell that has similiar specs
[19:39] <JuanL> i'm on Xubunut now
[19:39] <JuanL> i completely god rid of windows
[19:39] <pulisz> thnx JuanL
[19:39] <JuanL> 40gb HD here thou'
[19:40] <pulisz> i google it, but i dont have enought eye to see the response
[19:40] <JuanL> i'm Pent 4 with 256RAM
[19:40] <pulisz> thnx
[19:40] <JuanL> aye
[19:41] <pulisz> I want to use this oldie to read the news in the bad... :)
[19:41] <pulisz> in this days with economy crysis i don't want to wake up... :)
[19:42] <pulisz> by all
[19:47] <j0nr> DaGr8Gatzby: 8.04
[19:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> Hmmm
[19:47] <DaGr8Gatzby> does it pick up your wireless card?
[19:48] <DaGr8Gatzby> whats the output of iwlist wlan0 scan?
[19:54] <JuanL> after i install the package for a program how do i run that program if it's not listed in the applications menu under any of the catogories?/
[19:57] <knome> JuanL, depends on the program. you might try running '[package_name]' in terminal.
[19:57] <knome> JuanL, but sometimes the executable is not named the same than the package name
[19:57] <JuanL> it's suppose to be a scan tool to see what setup i am using. it was provided by manufacturor of printer
[19:58] <JuanL> it would tell me which of there drivers to get
[19:58] <JuanL> for my model
[19:58] <knome> JuanL, did you install it from repositories or some other package?
[20:02] <JuanL> what's the command to run a program from terminal??
[20:02] <JuanL> is it like Sudo "whatever"'
[20:02] <knome> you don't need sudo most of the time.
[20:02] <knome> just type whatever the program name is in the terminal.
[20:02] <JuanL> i used GDebi Package Installer
[20:15] <Brad450> what do you guys think is the best single part of linux??
[20:17] <DaGr8Gatzby> I'm a BSD guy :(
[20:18] <Brad450> where can i go id i want to upgrade the whole system there was a option like this in XFCE but i cant find it in gnome
[20:18] <Myrtti> !upgrade
[20:19] <Brad450> ok thank you. general question. iam starting to piss you guys off with all my question?
[20:19] <Myrtti> no
[20:19] <Myrtti> there's no bad questions, only bad answers
[20:20] <Brad450> that term can be used for alot of things
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Best of of Linux? "it just works"
[20:22] <Brad450> what is the newest version i can upgrade to
[20:22] <Brad450> ??
[20:22] <charlie-tca> jaunty
[20:23] <Brad450> 8.10??
[20:23] <Myrtti> newest stable version you can upgrade to is 8.10, Intrepid Ibex
[20:25] <Brad450> is jaunty would you say atleast stable. what does it add
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I would say Jaunty is not stable, it is in development and is only alpha5
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Many people lost their sound again yesterday
[20:27] <charlie-tca> But it does have Xfce 4.6!
[20:28] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:28] <Brad450> is YDL faster than 8.10 on PS3??
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Think I dropped another 10GB hard drive... It refuses to partition anymore
[20:32] <Brad450> so is it always going to be us in these IRC channels lol cause its always the same people talking
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Those who can, do
[20:33] <DaGr8Gatzby> I'm new
[20:33] <charlie-tca> But I have seen many come and many go
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Welcome, DaGr8Gatzby
[20:34] <DaGr8Gatzby> If I can get xubuntu on my ps3, I'll be happy
[20:34] <DaGr8Gatzby> Alpha .4 Jaunty
[20:34] <Brad450> dude i was here since monday. it was basicly me and SW3RVE
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Alpha5 releases tonight.
[20:34] <Brad450> then i met zoredache then charlie and then gatxby
[20:35] <Brad450> ***gatzby
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Some of us have been around here for over a year, though
[20:35]  * Myrtti has been here for far too long
[20:36] <charlie-tca> If people still need help, can it be too long?
[20:36] <DaGr8Gatzby> !!!!
[20:36] <DaGr8Gatzby> Tab completion guys!
[20:36] <DaGr8Gatzby> dag [tab]
[20:36] <DaGr8Gatzby> :)
[20:44] <Brad450> :):):):):):):):):):):):):):
[20:46] <DaemonFC> hmm, they need to clean up the XFCE menu in Jaunty, heh
[20:46] <charlie-tca> !panels
[20:47] <DaemonFC> they have a new XFCE control panel, but then they also spread out the applets into their own menu
[20:51] <Kholby> Can anyone give me help with a Broadcom Wireless card?
[20:52] <DaemonFC> possibly
[20:52] <Brad450> umm i can with xircom but not broadcom sorry
[20:52] <DaemonFC> if it's not detecting it in the driver manager, use "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter"
[20:52] <DaemonFC> tell it to grab the firmware
[20:52] <Kholby> It is detecting it.
[20:53] <Kholby> Says it's in use, but the "enabled" box is not checked.  I can't scan networks, and when I try to check the box it says it needs a restart.
[20:53] <Kholby> I restart and get the same thing.
[20:53] <DaemonFC> hmmmm, never had that happen
[20:53] <DaemonFC> what model is it?
[20:54] <Kholby> The card?  It's an EDUP card.  Uses the bcm4306 rev 3 driver.
[20:54] <Kholby> *chipset
[20:55] <DaemonFC> hmmm, b43 says it supports that
[20:56] <Kholby> I've tried just about everything I could find online and in the forums.  Nothing seems to work for me.
[20:59] <DaemonFC> no idea what it's doing
[20:59] <DaemonFC> I use a 4318
[20:59] <Kholby> Anything I can do to give you a better idea?
[21:00] <DaemonFC> well, you have the firmware, so it should just work
[21:01] <Kholby> That's the way I understand it.  All the more reason to be completely confused, yes?
[21:02] <DaemonFC> mmhm
[21:02] <Kholby> Can you perhaps recommend another Linux distro to use on a very old machine?
[21:06] <Brad450> maybe some very old redhat distro's what specs are u looking at?
[21:07] <Kholby> 633mHz processor, 512MB  Ram, HDD's big enough, though (80GB).  Need wireless support.
[21:08] <Brad450> not that old man what 5 years
[21:08] <Kholby> Eight
[21:09] <Kholby> Pretty old when technology changes so quickly.
[21:10] <Brad450> what kind of processor
[21:10] <Brad450> i86?
[21:10] <JuanL> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/instruction_scn1c.html how can i do the ubuntu instructions so i can work my scanner? it wont let me save the edit
[21:11] <Kholby> I think so.  It's an Intel Celeron.
[21:11] <knome> JuanL, open with sudo.
[21:11] <Kholby> <--noob
[21:11] <JuanL> how?
[21:11] <JuanL> <[21:12] <knome> JuanL, 'sudo /etc/udev/rules.d/40-basic-permissions.rules'
[21:12] <knome> JuanL, assuming you have 8.x ubuntu
[21:12] <JuanL> i do i have xubuntu 8.10
[21:15] <JuanL> it said command not found
[21:15] <JuanL> when i typed sudo /etc/udev/rules.d/40-basic-permissions.rules
[21:15] <JuanL> in term
[21:15] <knome> uh!
[21:15] <knome> sudo nano ... ;)
[21:15] <knome> sorry
[21:15] <knome> my bad
[21:16] <JuanL> in sudo nano what do i type to edit that file?
[21:17] <knome> JuanL, i meant, run: 'sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/40-basic-permissions.rules'
[21:17] <JuanL> ...
[21:17] <JuanL> lol
[21:19] <JuanL> how do you save the file in sudo Nano?
[21:19] <knome> ctrl+o [enter]
[21:19] <knome> and exit with ctrl+x
[21:20] <JuanL> is that like Multi Mate for DOS? similiar?
[21:20] <JuanL> i want to leave Windows Behind cause as windows evolves it gets stupid.
[21:20] <knome> i don't know muilt mate, sorry :)
[21:20] <knome> *multi
[21:21] <JuanL> it's similiar to that but in MS DOS 6.0 it was used long time ago
[21:21] <JuanL> before Windows 95
[21:21] <knome> well, then it is like multi mate for dos ;)
[21:21] <Brad450> hey DOS was the bomb back then
[21:21] <JuanL> lol
[21:21] <JuanL> it was THE BEST
[21:21] <JuanL> 98 was good.
[21:21] <Brad450> ohh do i ever miss police quest
[21:21] <Kholby> ME was a failure.
[21:22] <JuanL> brb gonna restart see if this works
[21:22] <knome> Brad450, wine/dosbox? :P
[21:22] <Brad450> what to run police quest
[21:22] <Brad450> ??
[21:22] <knome> Brad450, yeah.
[21:22] <Brad450> dosbox would work i havnt tried tho but hey tell me if it works
[21:23] <Brad450> it might be hard for you to load the ROMS tho
[21:23] <knome> i can look for police quest in wine appdb.
[21:25] <Kholby> Well, I'm out.  Thank you for your help.  I'll continue to explore my options.
[21:25] <knome> police quest: swat II has 'silver' in wine appdb
[21:26] <JuanL> back. now the moment of truth
[21:31] <JuanL> just verified my name so i dont have to keep typing /nick lol
[21:32] <knome> \o/ ;)
[21:33] <JuanL> IT WORKS!
[21:33] <JuanL> my scanner
[21:33] <knome> good for you :)
[21:34] <JuanL> now i have full functionality of my new Brother MFC-290C AIO in Xubuntu
[21:34] <JuanL> G'Bye Windows. *nod*
[21:34] <knome> yeah.
[21:34] <JuanL> Thnx Knome about the Sudo Nano
[21:34] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/contribute if you want to give something back to *buntu* :)
[21:36] <JuanL> since this is becomin my home office by all means i'll contribute when my check rolls in :)
[21:37] <Brad450> i donated like 500 bux like 5 years ago
[21:37] <knome> you don't even necessarily need money - any work is accepted as well ;)
[21:37] <knome> and to be honest - we are always a bit short on people giving support etc.
[21:38] <JuanL> well when i learn more coding and what not by all means i'll help out
[21:38] <Brad450> i dont have the experience to right up a usefull program lol
[21:38] <JuanL> i'm currently studying Cisco systems.
[21:39] <Brad450> the only thing usefull i did was a ps3-boot-game-os launcher
[21:39] <Brad450> for me
[21:39] <JuanL> i do pc tech work but i know only Windows and all it's glorious problems so i'm trying to branch out.
[21:39] <knome> Brad450, for many people it's enough if you can tell how they can run a program in terminal ;)
[21:39] <Brad450> true but i remember  was asking the same question at one point
[21:40] <JuanL> i was skeptical yesterday about getting rid of windows incase my printer didn't function. then on the brother website they had drivers and explanations.
[21:41] <knome> Brad450, exactly. someboy answered you then. you can answer somebody now :)
[21:41] <Brad450> ohh i have
[21:41] <Brad450> ;)
[21:41] <knome> yeah
[21:41] <Brad450> i burned DOZENS of ISO's for all the people i know so they can have linux on their ps3's lol
[21:42] <knome> ;)
[21:43] <knome> Brad450, maybe you are willing to join the marketing team? pop out at #xubuntu-devel someday if you are interested
[21:43] <JuanL> what distro of Linux did you get on the PS3?
[21:44] <Brad450> xububntu YDL and fedora
[21:44] <Brad450> Knome: what work would be involved?
[21:45] <JuanL> i have fedora that they gave me back in college and i had installed it back then to see how it was like but i let it take the entire 100GB of my desktop back then and i had NO CLUE how to put windows back in so i was SOL. what's the differences in Fedora?
[21:45] <knome> Brad450, marketing in general. if you have artistic skills, you can do graphics. if you want to spread xubuntu, we can put up some material for you to spread etc. there is no thing you couldn't do and we are open for eveything. PLUS you don't have to do anything you don't want :)
[21:47] <Brad450> hey ive already given some live CD's as a temporary fix as i fixed some clients computer so why the hell not
[21:47] <JuanL> i was trying to get a client of mine who seems to be having like every problem there is in the book on her Windows XP Dell to try Xubuntu. hers is a lil older than what my mom has but i'm sure it should be ok.
[21:47] <JuanL> i used Knoppix alot when i need to boot a LIVE CD so i can copy to my External before a Wipe
[21:48] <knome> Brad450, you're welcome :)
[21:49] <JuanL> btw, what's a good starting point to start learning commands and the basic overall system besides asking 100 questions?
[21:49] <Brad450> there was a book in the 90's called like basic linux commands or something
[21:50] <knome> JuanL, maybe reading ubuntuforums.org whenever you need something. there is a huge base of solutions.
[21:50] <knome> JuanL, though asking questions is ok anyway :)
[21:50] <JuanL> cause i noticed when there isn't a graphical gui to something i have to Terminal Everything
[21:50] <knome> JuanL, for example what there is no graphical gui? :)
[21:51] <JuanL> what?
[21:51] <Brad450> well terminal is there so people like us can give you a simple code to fix your problem without directing you threw dozens of menus
[21:51] <knome> JuanL, for what are you missing a giui?
[21:51] <JuanL> when i had to install the driver. i couldn't do it just through the OS Gui i had to use that "Sudo nano"
[21:52] <knome> JuanL, ah well. that wasn't shipped with ubuntu. so yeah, you might need terminal then.
[21:52] <JuanL> well my printer is A-Mazing now. it converted with me.
[21:52] <charlie-tca> JuanL: Rutebook is in the repositories, and most of it is still accurate
[21:52] <JuanL> what's Repositories?
[21:52] <JuanL> and/ or rutebook
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Where the software is for Xubuntu
[21:53] <JuanL> like Program Files/ for windows?
[21:53] <charlie-tca> rutebook is a book about linux, commands, etc
[21:53] <JuanL> stop me at anytime if i'm being annoying.
[21:53] <knome> repositories is the place you install software from when you use synaptic
[21:53] <charlie-tca> repositories are where all the applications are stored on the servers
[21:54] <knome> charlie-tca, ha! got you this time :)
[21:54] <charlie-tca> you always beat me! :-)
[21:54] <knome> not always
[21:54] <knome> good news btw - i should get the broadband in week 11
[21:55] <charlie-tca> I saw your question a while back about where to learn commands and such. Rutebook is a good starting point
[21:55] <Brad450> knome would you know if i could activate the PS3 vram or wireless in xubuntu??
[21:55] <charlie-tca> and it is free
[21:55] <knome> Brad450, i have no idea, sorry. you might search the ubuntuforums.org for that.
[21:55] <Brad450> sure will do
[21:56] <Trijntje> Hi all. Xubuntu doesnt show my windows partitions like in gnome. How can i find them and make them automount on startup?
[21:58] <Brad450> Knome: think it would be possible to add a Playstation section to the forums PS2 and PS3
[22:00] <knome> Brad450, i don't know but i doubt so. they are officially unsupported.
[22:00] <JuanL> can ps2 run Linux?
[22:00] <Brad450> ya ps3 can run linux
[22:00] <Brad450> sorry i meant PS2
[22:00] <knome> Brad450, sadly i don't even know whom to ask if theis would be poassible.
[22:00] <JuanL> like with the hard drive attachment
[22:01] <knome> Trijntje, are they ntfs or fat?
[22:01] <JuanL> How does Wine Work? it says something about running commercial Windows Games?
[22:01] <Brad450> so ubuntu on PS3 isnt officially supported? wow iam amazed its running
[22:02] <knome> JuanL, install wine and basically after that 'wine executable.exe'
[22:02] <knome> JuanL, but it might not be that straightforward. many of the games won't work.
[22:02] <JuanL> i have Wine installed.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> There is the #ubuntu-ps3 channel, too
[22:03] <Brad450> anyone know if wine runs on PS3 hardware i doupdt it but is it possible??
[22:03] <knome> Brad450, might be a bit slow... ;)
[22:03] <JuanL> you could try it since you have Linux on there.
[22:03] <Trijntje> knome: fat
[22:03] <Brad450> ill probobly only run some DOS games in it hehehe
[22:03] <knome> Trijntje, have you looked from /media?
[22:04] <knome> Brad450, if you run dos games, i'd recommend dosbox.
[22:04] <knome> Brad450, it has a lot better support for those.
[22:04] <Trijntje> knome: yes, their not there. No partition names shown or anything
[22:04] <knome> Brad450, and is way more stable
[22:04] <knome> charlie-tca, ?
[22:04] <Brad450> ok ill go do that brb
[22:04] <knome> charlie-tca, you know about (auto)mounting fat drives?
[22:05] <charlie-tca> no, I don't have any and apparently give bad advice about them
[22:05] <charlie-tca> LOL
[22:05] <knome> !fat
[22:05] <knome> that was too easy.
[22:06] <knome> Trijntje, have you looked at ^ that link?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I screwed up the last time I tried to help with fat drives
[22:06] <knome> charlie-tca, d'oh
[22:06] <knome> charlie-tca, what happened?
[22:06] <JuanL> so in the future can i type like whatever and ! and get a response?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> Gave bad directions to access data on them
[22:06] <knome> :]
[22:06] <charlie-tca> JuanL: only what the robot knows
[22:07] <JuanL> !Winthelotto
[22:07] <knome> !bot
[22:07] <JuanL> ....
[22:07] <JuanL> LOL
[22:07] <Brad450> !bot
[22:07] <Brad450> LOL thats cool
[22:08] <knome> /msg ubottu if you are going to flood :P
[22:08] <JuanL> sorry bout that.
[22:08] <knome> no harm done yet. just said in advance :)
[22:08] <Brad450> sorry wanted to see if what you wrote activated it i thought it was like automatic
[22:09] <knome> Brad450, it's half-automatic.
[22:10] <Brad450> where does dosbox pop up in the app section??
[22:10] <knome> Brad450, games, i'd suppose.
[22:10] <Brad450> cool know any good sources for a ROM
[22:11] <knome> google. that is the best answer i can give ;)
[22:11] <JuanL> ditto on Google. :(
[22:11] <ZeRo_FeniX> I lost the top and bottom panels on my ubuntu, how do I go about getting them back?
[22:11] <Brad450> k
[22:12] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[22:12] <Brad450> do you play witht he panles options??
[22:13] <ZeRo_FeniX> ah why thank you knome
[22:13] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, np.
[22:14] <ZeRo_FeniX> Also, any ideas how to get sound drivers working on a VBoxed, Xubuntu install?
[22:14] <knome> charlie-tca, ^ that one? :P
[22:14] <Brad450> i miss the days when my games where smaller than a MB
[22:14] <charlie-tca> !panels
[22:14] <JuanL> that bot is awesome sauce
[22:14] <knome> charlie-tca, no, the vboxed one
[22:15] <charlie-tca> sorry, house phone
[22:15] <JuanL> anyone ever see that video with the kid that came back from the dentist?
[22:15] <Brad450> Knome: what do i do with the rom its zipped where do i place it and how do i start it in DOSBOX
[22:16] <Brad450> JuanL: who hasnt
[22:16] <charlie-tca> ZeRo_FeniX: in VBox interface, switch the audio to pulse audio, if it is available. Otherwise, make sure it is set to Alsa
[22:16] <JuanL> i saw it today first time.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> knome: that one?
[22:16] <knome> Brad450, http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Basic_Setup_and_Installation_of_DosBox
[22:16] <knome> charlie-tca, yah.
[22:16]  * knome high fives charlie-tca 
[22:16] <ZeRo_FeniX> Lol, I'm an idiot. It helps to have audio enabled in the first place :)
[22:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know much
[22:17] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, o'rly? :P
[22:17] <knome> charlie-tca, you do. :P
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Lightning took out a system for me today, and I put the hard drive in a different system
[22:18] <charlie-tca> I fought with it about 6 hours, looks like it fried too?
[22:18] <knome> ouch
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Yeah, 6 hours wasted
[22:18] <ZeRo_FeniX> Fun stuff
[22:18] <charlie-tca> And I have to get a new network switch
[22:18] <ZeRo_FeniX> Ouch
[22:18] <ZeRo_FeniX> How many ports?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> 4
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Well, 5
[22:19] <knome> charlie-tca, i have three with 30. is that oki? ;)
[22:19] <Trijntje> knome: thnx for that link, ill try that (late reaction, pidgin does not flash properly;))
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Not enough
[22:19] <knome> Trijntje, no problem.
[22:19] <knome> charlie-tca, i have also two isdn calling sets.
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I have to have at least 4, more would be better
[22:19] <JuanL> i use Xchat for irc and Pidgin for aim/icq/ etc
[22:19] <ZeRo_FeniX> Yea, I was hoping it wasn't a big industrial switch. Home consumer switches aren't that bad.
[22:20] <Brad450> Knome: is there a guid for linux?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> I got about 3 routers just sitting, could use one of them, too
[22:20] <JuanL> oo oo i know. that Rutebook they told me about
[22:20] <knome> charlie-tca, 30 > 4, but still too little? :P
[22:20] <knome> Brad450, guide you mean? :)
[22:20] <ZeRo_FeniX> sound works now that I have enabled it :)
[22:20] <JuanL> !Rutebook
[22:20] <charlie-tca> But the switch is so small
[22:20] <knome> !info rutebook
[22:20] <JuanL> aaawww worth a shot *hands in pockets*
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Oh! yes, know
[22:21]  * charlie-tca slaps forehead
[22:21] <charlie-tca> yes, knome
[22:21] <knome> hehe
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Read that wrong
[22:21] <charlie-tca> I only need 5 ports working
[22:21] <knome> i think the best understandable pronounciation for my nick for english people is "know me"
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I think I burned out one port of my KVM, too
[22:22] <JuanL> i pronounced it Gnome
[22:22] <knome> mmh
[22:22] <JuanL> just figured you had a K
[22:22] <charlie-tca> At least it won't detect the keyboard and mouse and monitor
[22:22] <knome> JuanL, a mixture or gnome and kde is... knome? :P
[22:23] <JuanL> aaaaah
[22:23] <knome> JuanL, but that's not really where the nick comes from.
[22:23] <knome> JuanL, i adore the shape of non-capital 'k'
[22:23] <knome> JuanL, so i needed a nick starting with that ;)
[22:24] <JuanL> what destop enviroment does xubuntu use? i know KDE is the one with the bar on the bottom like windows. Knoppix uses the KDE desktop enviroment. is Ubuntu stand alone or is it different?
[22:24] <knome> !xfce
[22:25] <JuanL> xfce whats that? it says it's with Xfce. where does it originate?
[22:25] <knome> umm... x face?
[22:25] <ZeRo_FeniX> google xfce
[22:25] <ZeRo_FeniX> it's just another gui
[22:26] <JuanL> what are the different types of them? xfce/gnome/kde? and that's it? or?
[22:26] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, not another gui, but *desktop environment*
[22:26] <knome> JuanL, those are the desktop environments.
[22:26] <ZeRo_FeniX> touche
[22:26] <charlie-tca> JuanL: it is an alternate desktop, one of the big 3 in linux
[22:26] <knome> JuanL, then there is a *bunch* of *window managers*, like openbox or icewm
[22:26] <ZeRo_FeniX> Thos are the 3 big ones as far as I know
[22:27] <JuanL> so xfce is the Mouse
[22:27] <knome> JuanL, they have far less features
[22:27] <knome> JuanL, yes.
[22:27] <knome> we are the micemen.
[22:27] <JuanL> what's Gnome's logo?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> :http://www.xfce.org will teach you all about it
[22:27] <JuanL> and kde?
[22:27] <knome> a footprint.
[22:27] <JuanL> i'm at the website now looking at it
[22:27] <knome> kde: a gear with K
[22:28] <JuanL> there's this one version of linux i heard about... one sec
[22:28] <JuanL> Xandros
[22:28] <JuanL> what's that?
[22:28] <knome> it's a linux *distribution*, like ubuntu
[22:29] <charlie-tca> There are many versions of linux, but there are 3 main desktops that all versions may use
[22:29] <knome> the default DE for xandros is kde, afaik
[22:29] <ZeRo_FeniX> can xfce go above 1024x768?
[22:29] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, sure.
[22:29] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, my resolution is 3840x1200
[22:29] <JuanL> how can you read that so tiny
[22:30] <ZeRo_FeniX> Probably has a monitor the size of a TV
[22:30] <Brad450> is there a C/program files equivelent in ubuntu??
[22:30] <knome> JuanL, not really. i have two 24" widescreens
[22:30] <JuanL> oh ok.
[22:30] <JuanL> Wine has C:\Program Files\
[22:30] <JuanL> !Wine
[22:30] <knome> Brad450, not exactly. /usr/bin is the place you find all the ".exe" files
[22:30] <JuanL> woot.
[22:31] <Brad450> Knome:  ok like all the program files
[22:31] <knome> Brad450, but you don't have to worry about that. if you want to remove a program, the package manager will know which files it will delete.
[22:31] <knome> Brad450, not exactly. the linux ".dll"s (libraries) are stored in /usr/lib
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Brad450: sorta, but in linux we deal with applications and executable files
[22:32] <ZeRo_FeniX> Ugh something to do with vbox or my xubuntu is preventing it from allowing higher resolutions
[22:32] <charlie-tca> It is probably vbox
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Did you install the guest additions
[22:32] <ZeRo_FeniX> Yes
[22:32] <Brad450> Knome: where is the readme file for DOSbox
[22:32] <knome> Brad450, uhhh...
[22:33] <knome> Brad450, man dosbox
[22:33] <knome> ;)
[22:33] <Brad450> ???
[22:33] <charlie-tca> It normally will go as high as the actual hardware will, after install guest additions
[22:33] <knome> Brad450, type that in terminal.
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Brad450: also, look in /usr/share/doc/dosbox
[22:33] <charlie-tca> or DOSbox
[22:34] <knome> dosbox.
[22:35] <ZeRo_FeniX> when I fullscreen it it looks great but the program I'm trying to run in fullscreen runs based on the set resolution so it actually takes up less psace than the whole screen.
[22:35] <knome> ZeRo_FeniX, maybe it's an issue with that program?
[22:36] <charlie-tca> ZeRo_FeniX: Does VBox take the whole screen?
[22:36] <ZeRo_FeniX> It's actually a flash app in firefox XD. I just can't figure out why I can't up the resolution on the display settings.
[22:37] <charlie-tca> If VBox takes the entire screen in full-screen mode, the application is faulty
[22:37] <ZeRo_FeniX_> I'm actually trying to get the hulu.com website to run in fullscreen on my second monitor so I can have it at full screen and play a game on my main monitor.
[22:38] <charlie-tca> That's just a bad website for that
[22:39] <charlie-tca> It doesn't even run full screen on a single monitor without a lot of work
[22:39] <ZeRo_FeniX_> I guess I'll just have to deal with it. It looks quite good as is.
[22:43] <charlie-tca> going shopping
[22:44] <knome> see you.
[22:44] <knome> i'm going to sleep very soonish
[22:44] <charlie-tca> That happens every day, doesn't it?
[22:44] <knome> don't know.
[22:44] <knome> i've experienced some days that it doesn't
[22:45] <charlie-tca> LOL; good night
[22:45] <knome> night!
[22:51] <JuanL> Knome, Later.
[22:51] <knome> o/
[22:51] <JuanL> later all i'm off too
[22:51] <JuanL> more questions i'm sure in the future
[23:18] <DaGr8Gatzby> where is the iso for juanty 5?!
[23:18] <DaGr8Gatzby> :)
[23:18] <DaGr8Gatzby> Alpha 5!
[23:18] <DaGr8Gatzby> :)
[23:24] <Bilzey> Hi, any chance someone here can help me install xubuntu?
[23:25] <Bilzey> Anyone?
[23:30] <shacklo> hello i have a problem... i added a quicklaunch bar to the menu and now i cant login to admin
[23:30] <Bilzey> Everyone seems to be afk :/
[23:30] <shacklo> oh no :(
[23:31] <Bilzey> Could you help me?
[23:31] <shacklo> maybe
[23:31] <Bilzey> I need help installing xubuntu
[23:31] <shacklo> okay tell me
[23:32] <Bilzey> Ok, I have XP on my laptop, and I want to download it and burn onto a DVD, then put it into an old computer with 98, and boot it up on there, although I'm not sure what I need to download and burn
[23:32] <shacklo> wait
[23:32] <shacklo> you want to put xp on your old computer or xubuntu?
[23:33] <Bilzey> xbuntu
[23:33] <shacklo> wait a sec
[23:34] <shacklo> in which country are you
[23:34] <Bilzey> United Kingdom
[23:35] <shacklo> save this to your pc: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso then burn with a program named IMGBURN
[23:35] <Bilzey> Ok, where can I get IMGBURN?
[23:35] <shacklo> wait
[23:36] <shacklo> http://fileforum.betanews.com/download/ImgBurn/1128426215/1 here its freeware
[23:37] <Bilzey> thanks :)
[23:37] <Bilzey> so burn it with that then boot it on my old Computer?
[23:37] <shacklo> do you know how to set the CD-drive first boot device or i need to tell you
[23:37] <shacklo> yes
[23:38] <Bilzey> If you could it would help :) I'm terrible with 98
[23:38] <shacklo> hehe
[23:38] <Bilzey> I want to set the DVD drive first if you know that?
[23:38] <shacklo> you start your computer and it says "press XXX to start bios"
[23:38] <Bilzey> Although I would imagine it would be the same as CD
[23:38] <Bilzey> Oh, I can boot through BIOS, is there anyother way?
[23:38] <shacklo> hm?
[23:39] <shacklo> im confused
[23:39] <Bilzey> I mean, without the bios, like when you on on Windows
[23:39] <shacklo> maybe you just doubleclick the cd when inserted, that worked on kubuntu live cd
[23:40] <Bilzey> Ok, thanks :)
[23:40] <shacklo> there you go