[00:03] anybody knoq how moinmoin handles picture size? [00:09] neversfelde: asking on #ubuntu-doc but nobody talking [00:14] Riddell: I will improve it tommorow, if Alpha 5 is not released before the evening. In the meantime I added choqoK 0.4 and try to remember what was new after Alpha 4 [00:14] and of course I should go to bed. n8 [00:15] thanks neversfelde [00:44] can i compile a kde3 app in gnome? [00:44] e.g. cmake [00:45] JontheEchidna: Your kdeedu fixes are in backports and I'm getting ready to upload to Jaunty as soon as the Alpha freeze is lifted. [00:46] what is kwin-crystal and kde4-style-qtcurve's versions in jaunty? [00:48] ScottK: Ok. Thanks for the update. [00:50] yao_ziyuan: crystal is at 2.0.1 [00:50] should be 2.0.3 [00:50] yao_ziyuan: Do you know about rmadison? [00:50] qtcurve should be 0.61.3 [00:50] ScottK: no [00:50] Is there still time to get the user management package into Kubuntu? [00:50] yao_ziyuan: It's a script from the devscripts package. [00:50] ScottK: then what? [00:51] txwikinger: You'd need to get an FFe from Riddell, so up to him. [00:51] like is there a realistic chance to get a FFe [00:51] ScottK ok [00:51] I will talk to him [00:51] txwikinger: we can get it into universe I'm sure, if it works better than the current stuff a feature freeze exception is pretty likely [00:51] Hi Riddell [00:51] yao_ziyuan: If you install devscripts then you can type rmadison kwin-crystal and it will give you the version of that package in all supported Ubuntu releases. [00:52] Thanks.. I got it working fairly well [00:52] .. [00:52] Some things are still a little odd, but better than nothing I would think [00:52] very geeky [00:53] txwikinger: We don't have 'nothing' currently, so the question is, is it better? [00:54] there are only 2 cross-DE widget styles as far as i know [00:54] BlueCurve (by RedHat) and QtCurve [00:54] these are both documented on wikipedia [00:55] ScottK.. what do we have at the moment? [00:55] We have KUser. [00:57] Ah... haven't seen that for a long time :D [00:57] Is there a bug in KCM that if you require root it opens a new window? [00:58] depends on your definition of bug :P [00:58] if we didn't launch the module in a kcmshell as root the kcm would be useless [00:58] KUser isn't integrated into systemsettings here. [00:59] Nor here [00:59] Well.. if I take the require-root out of the desktop file the window stays in the systemsetting frame [00:59] if I put it back in, it is outside [01:00] Was Kuser ever integrated in systemsettings? [01:01] Well... not sure about better... probably pretty much the same as KUser, just that it can be started from systemsetting [01:02] Currently expected behavior is that root-requiring kcms are launched in their own kcmshell through kdesudo [01:03] eventually it'd be nice to get policykit integration so that we don't have to keep that hack around [01:04] ah ok [01:05] just wondered if I do something wrong [01:05] * txwikinger thinks he needs to hack umbrello a bit [01:05] mm, yes please [01:06] you have a thing for umbrello, huh? [01:06] I really like using it for factoring [01:06] seele: I do maintain it in theory [01:07] Riddell: How about support to use an editor of choice for the method bodies :D [01:07] * txwikinger is addicted to syntax highlighting [01:08] well for actual coding you're better off with an IDE [01:08] * seele likes visio for it's drawing primitives, not semantics [01:08] Well.. I am currently coding with umbrello.. works quite well [01:08] Is there a way to get the battery to be smaller than the full height of the taskbar? [01:08] txwikinger: I'm surprised it's stable enough [01:08] ScottK: don't believe so [01:08] ScottK: nope [01:08] Riddell: It is not [01:09] I save after every change [01:09] and it every now and then loses my php contructors [01:09] can I delete a bazaar branch remotely? [01:09] * ScottK would definitely use plasma-widget-battery-small. [01:09] without using launchpad? [01:10] shtylman: don't think so [01:11] darn [01:11] im evaluating the feature differences b/t git and bzr and that came up [01:11] shtylman: ask in #bzr to be sure [01:12] Riddell: will do [01:12] Do we ship a lastfm plasmoid? [01:12] JontheEchidna: don't know of one [01:12] * JontheEchidna goes for the invalid button [01:12] oh, we do it seems [01:13] where? [01:13] * txwikinger does not like wildcard imports in python [01:13] plasma-widget-lastmoid [01:13] txwikinger: me either :( [01:13] the inheritance is just confusing [01:15] * txwikinger is not sure if he is happy to travel to Italy next month [01:15] Riddell: Oh, did I ever tell you the results of compressing kdebase-workspace with lzma? [01:16] We get ~5 MB [01:17] If kdelibs follows the pattern we could probably get 4MB saved with lzma there [01:17] JontheEchidna: nice [01:18] txwikinger: why not? what's that for? [01:18] should we discuss this at the next meeting? [01:18] JontheEchidna: if it works we should just go for it [01:18] Well... jetlag, travel time [01:18] We should make sure that the saved space is worth the increased build time and unpacking time [01:18] It is or a conference called Interedition [01:19] I wasn't able to notice it though, so I think we should go for it === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Development | Alpha-5 released! | 8.04.2 released! - http://www.kubuntu.org/node/69 | Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [01:19] plus it really helps cut down on the -dbg package sizes too [01:19] Now quick, quick, everyone upload and break something. [01:19] lol [01:21] In that case, /me goes off to add lzma compression to kdelibs and -workspace in bzr [01:21] irt jr's comment [01:21] upload or download? [01:25] finally making qtcurve/kde3! [01:26] then i should copy the folder to the host machine and run sudo make install? [01:36] The todo looks nice and green... [01:37] is there something like nopaste, tinypic but that can let me upload small binaries? [01:38] i made a qtcurve-kde3.deb in the virtual machine and copied it to the host (kubuntu 8.10/kde4.2) and installed successfully [01:39] now my OOo 3.0.1 uses the latest qtcurve now [01:40] QtCurve 0.61.2 for KDE3: http://filebin.ca/mtyntc/qtcurve-kde3_0.61.2-0_i386.deb [01:41] So we've got the feedback page off the release notes. Does anyone actually look at that or is it pure catharsis for the end user? [01:43] oh my, the frantic emails are starting to come in now [01:43] I read it, not that the fact that I read it matters that much [01:44] (midnight is a deadline for a major homework) [01:44] ScottK: ive never looked at it... [01:44] ScottK: what we really need is an easier way to give feedback from within the distro [01:44] It does occur to me that someone ought to. [01:45] feedback pages comes straight to my inbox [01:45] as does any other page with Kubuntu in its name [01:46] Riddell: ahh [01:46] I think wikis still intimidate some folks (assuming they look) [01:46] OK. Good. I've never looked at one before, so I was really hoping someone was. [01:46] Now he shows up. [01:47] claydoh: We took a stab at release notes. Please pretty them up. [01:47] aw, man, I was avoiding work :) [01:48] not really, family issues.. rather be working [01:52] ScottK: We have libical backported to intrepid, yes? [01:53] * JontheEchidna is doing further cleaning of kubuntu-experimental [01:53] No [01:53] Apparently kdepim is pretty sucky with old versions of libical [01:53] You can delete kdeedu and cdbs in about 10 minutes. [01:54] wow is it me or is that ubiquity map weird? though it was a corrupted image at first till [01:54] QtCurve 0.61.3 for GTK2: http://filebin.ca/edzvp/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.3-0_i386.deb [01:55] QtCurve 0.61.3 for KDE4: http://filebin.ca/foptmu/qtcurve-kde4_0.61.3-0_i386.deb [01:55] JontheEchidna: There's a bunch of Gnome stuff and such that'd need to be tested before we backported libical. [01:55] DISCLAIMER: i uploaded these binaries from within china to filebin.ca via an insecure connection. use them at your own risk... [01:55] Meh. [01:56] And they are unsigned, so it's insanity. Don't do it. [01:57] yao_ziyuan: It's very good of you to disclose that. [02:02] * JontheEchidna reboots to switch mice [02:03] ... [02:03] nevermind, they found another usb mouse [02:22] Correction: QtCurve 0.61.3 for GTK2: http://filebin.ca/vdnwqc/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.3-0_i386.deb [02:23] but i strongly recommend you guys to test drive these 3 debs in a virtual machine [02:26] O.o http://www.google.com/search?q=supported+architectures+ubuntu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [02:26] bahahaha [02:27] JontheEchidna: did you read the release type? [02:28] lol [02:29] I really hope we get to that [02:29] and use that name [02:29] lmao: "Kubuntu was also marketed towards Moral Kombat players who are unable to use an applications that starts with 'c'." [02:29] hahaha [02:29] hola [02:30] "Given the quirky nature of X, GNOME and many OpenGL drivers, this resulted in severe epileptic seizures in some lusers due to a deluge of error messages splashing onto the screen at higher than refresh rate. " [02:30] lol [02:30] Kinky Kangaroo > Karmic Koala [02:30] oh indeed [02:31] "nternet Explorer 6, the default web browser in Ubuntu (Courtesy of Microsoft)." [02:31] haha [02:31] hahaha "work safe wallpapers" [02:31] hey, kinky kangaroo was mine...I dubbed it during edgy eft :p [02:31] god...I remember that whole bag of worms [02:31] or maybe dapper [02:32] i just saw a presentation template that used the naked wallpaper [02:34] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Gnome_desktop.png [02:35] hahahah [02:44] I cant wait for Milky Maidens :) [02:45] * rgreening hides [02:45] my roommate used to call it hardy heroin :) [02:45] ha [02:46] are we going to release final version with anything newer than kde 4.2.1? [02:47] not sure. itll be tight for 4.2.2 [02:48] nixternal: we could possibly, 4.2.2 is due out April 1st [02:49] tagged or out? [02:49] out the door [02:49] kewl [02:49] tag is March 25th [02:49] so, march 27th :P [02:49] what is in store for 4.2.2? [02:50] MOAR bug fixes [02:50] haha [02:50] well...yes... [02:50] any new features? [02:50] prettification? [02:50] silly shtylman, new features are for kids [02:50] of course. plasmoid-widget-network-manager will be replaced with plasmoid-widget-dancing-nixternal [02:50] hahaha [02:50] \o/ [02:51] vorian: wow....just....wow [02:51] ~order cookies for shtylman [02:51] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to shtylman. [02:59] there's a kubotu? [02:59] or is someone having fun with /nick? [02:59] ~order a cookie for maco [02:59] * kubotu slides a cookie down the bar to maco [03:05] how is this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha5/Kubuntu [03:06] * JontheEchidna expounds on the wonders of Qt 4.5 [03:07] and on the risks [03:08] claydoh: looks great [03:10] i miss kubuntu/kde3's kicker background very much. hope a kde4 plasma theme can revive it. [03:12] was alpha 5 released more than 16 hours ago? [03:13] because thats when i updated my jaunty [03:22] * ScottK regrets having read the backscroll and goes to scrub his eyes. [03:22] ... grumbles at dtchen for invoking unpleasant imagry. [03:42] is trackpad scrolling broken for anyone else in jaunty? [04:10] shtylman: yeah... [04:10] lemme find the bug # [04:13] maco: ok...good its not just me... [04:14] shtylman: i believe its part of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics/+bug/320639 [04:14] Ubuntu bug 320639 in xfree86-driver-synaptics "Touchpad movement problems in 0.99.3" [High,Confirmed] [04:14] a lot broke and various symptoms have been being fixed slowly [04:15] weird...seems to be no clear indication of what is going on... [04:16] that update introduced a bunch of regressions for a bunch of touchpads...not necessarily the same regression on every touchpad though [04:17] heh [04:17] well, hopefully it will be straigtened out... [04:18] im quite surprised something so major broke.. [04:18] the annoying thing where the left click was acting as middle click is, thankfully, fixed [04:19] damn...luckily I avoided that [04:22] it's linux vs. hal/devicekit [04:22] don't be surprised; a lot more stuff is going to go haywire [04:22] YES, including sound [04:22] [but not for Kubuntu] [04:23] is one replacing parts of another? or integration problems? [04:27] both [04:27] goodie [05:24] when my kubuntu 8.10 exits from a full screen mode, [05:24] it will first display my current gnome wallpaper for a second [05:25] also, my ksysguard shows 'gnome-screensaver' running. is it normal? [05:26] * ScottK doesn't consider it normal to have that stuff even installed. [05:27] i have both gnome and kde4 desktops [05:27] also: gconfd-2 [05:34] i will see if this also happens in my kubuntu 8.04.2 virtual machine which is initially ubuntu but then with kubuntu-desktop installed [05:39] it also has gconfd-2, but no gnome-screensaver [05:41] it seems to be here: [05:41] yaoziyuan@yaoziyuan-desktop:~$ ls /etc/pam.d [05:41] atd chsh common-auth common-session cups gdm gnome-screensaver kdm kscreensaver other polkit samba sudo [05:41] chfn common-account common-password cron cvs gdm-autologin kcheckpass kdm-np login passwd ppp su [05:54] ok. gnome-screensaver is brought up by gnome-settings-daemon [06:46] can anyone tell me that i have kde-3.5.5 installed on ubuntu distro and want to uninstall it what to do?? [06:47] er....what? [06:47] do you want to go to a newer version of kde? [06:47] or do you want to go gnome-only? [06:49] ye a newer version of kde [06:50] what version of kubuntu? 7.10? [06:50] if you upgrade to 8.04 you can get 3.5.9 or kde 4 [06:52] i have already ubuntu 8.04 installed and i used 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it installed 3.5.5 by default, [06:53] how do you see it is 3.5.5? [06:55] kde-config -v [06:56] ah ok [06:56] kubuntu-kde4-desktop [06:56] maco: it should be 3.5.10 in hardy [06:57] a|wen-: maybe not updated? [06:57] or just incorrect version string [06:57] animesh: do you want kde3 or kde4 (on hardy only kde3 is fully supported)? [06:57] dpkg -l kdebase-bin [06:58] to find the version [06:59] animesh: if you want kde3 then stick to hardy ... if you want kde4 upgrading to intrepid will be my recommendation [07:00] ii kdebase-bin 4:3.5.10-0ubun core binaries for the KDE base module ||/ Name Version Description [07:00] yeah its 3.5.10, not 3.5.5 [07:00] everything is as it should be then [07:01] please tell me one thing that hardy does n't supports kde4 [07:02] or supports [07:02] animesh: its just that not all of the stuff was converted to kde4 yet for hardy [07:02] like kmail is still only kde3 [07:03] you can, of course, use it anyway === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [10:49] Is it possible to translate release announcements? [10:52] cumulus007: it's possible but we're not really set up for it [10:53] Riddell: why not [10:54] cumulus007: well we write them on a wiki at the last minute, wiki isn't great for translations and there's no preparation time [10:54] and our website isn't set up for translations either as far as I know [10:54] cumulus007: which release announcement were you thinking of? [10:55] Riddell: Alpha's, final releases [10:56] Riddell: Since Ubuntu attempts to get in touch with as much people as possible, I think release announcements should habe the options to tranlsate them [10:57] cumulus007: right I'm not saying it wouldn't be good, I just can't think of an easy way to do it [10:57] cumulus007: hang around on the channel around release time and we'll ping you as we write it would be the only thing I can think of [10:57] okay [10:57] will set it on autojoin :-) [11:16] yeowch. have some upgrades for kde4 and jaunty... [11:17] got to keep up to date [11:17] indeed. [11:17] this was last updated sometime before feb 12 [11:17] er, feb 10 [11:21] what flag is used with update-manager-kde to upgrade to devel release? [11:21] seems -d is not a good flag and i dont see man or --help info for it [11:26] blargh, akregator [11:26] why does it not put the next article into focus, after you hit delete on the previous article? [11:53] * seele yawns [12:44] i've been noticing more and more quassel users lately.. i dunno if i'm just recognizing them or if there are a lot of kubuntu users or if there are just a lot more of them now :) === milian__ is now known as milian [14:20] i wonder why does qt4's listview stuff lag so hard on my laptop [14:20] scrolling lags heavily in dolphin, amarok2 etc [14:26] \o === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [14:49] Riddell: The good news is I backported all the Universe plasmoids to solve the libplasma2/3 problems for people using KDE 4.2 on Intrepid. The bad news is most of them need New'ing. Since I uploaded them I shouldn't New them, so over to you .... [14:50] super, let me look === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [15:03] all my meetings for today got cancelled ... I might get a lot done today :) [15:13] sebas: Riddell: next Wednesday at 1800UTC? Is that too late? [15:14] fine with me === milian__ is now known as milian [16:09] hey guyses: I'm going to install Kubuntu alpha 5 on my desktop this weekend ... [16:09] anything I should know? [16:12] there are some release notes.... [16:12] let me get the link.... [16:13] rickspencer3: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha5/Kubuntu [16:14] rickspencer3: have a look at the known issues near the bottom of the page... [16:16] thanks rgreening [16:16] I did see that [16:17] other than that. nope. you should be good to go rickspencer3 [16:17] hehe [16:18] I'm looking forward to trying Quassel [16:18] rickspencer3: KDE 4.2.1 will be uploaded in the next week. So, some KDE 4.2.0 issues that remain, may well get resolved. [16:18] yeah [16:19] rickspencer3: when I first tried quallsel, I hated it. Not I really like it. [16:19] interesting [16:19] what happened? [16:19] I was a konversation user.... quassel was just different. [16:20] however, seele has helped make this really usable. [16:20] :D [16:20] Riddell: thanks for the wad of stickers. [16:20] lots of changes requested by the quassel team and they made them for us. [16:20] * rgreening is still waiting for stickers. must be carrier pidgeon to get to Newfoundland :) [16:28] rgreening: now, once you see how many stickers there are, you will understand why the pidgeons are taking so long. ;-) [16:28] lol [16:31] Hi, I'm having random system hangs [16:31] on Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 5 [16:41] cumulus007: what video card? [16:42] rgreening: nvidia geforce 9400 GT [16:43] are you using the nvidia driver or the open source one? [16:43] nvidia 180.29 [16:43] ok [16:43] nvidia one [16:43] anything show up in .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log or dmesg? [16:44] dmesg says nothing about it [16:45] cumulus007: can you try the vesa driver and see if the problem goes away? Just want to see if it's the vid driver interaction with xserver 1.6 [16:47] rgreening: will try that some time, I'm too lazy to do that now :P [16:47] ok, next random freeze then would be a good time :) [16:47] yep [16:48] .xsession-errors is huge, but I can't find anything special [17:52] hola [17:53] heya apachelogger [17:53] hi apachelogger [17:54] rgreening: hve you seen glatzor online those days ? [17:58] apachelogger: kdelibs and kdebase-workspace got lzma'd [17:58] JontheEchidna: already? [17:58] well, they're going to be next upload [17:58] sweet [17:58] we save ~5 MB for kdebase [17:58] -workspace [17:59] unfortunately the huge wallpaper package barely got smaller at all [17:59] that is for all workspace packages, right? [17:59] hm [17:59] total saved for all workspace packages [17:59] stupid wallpapers [17:59] yeah :/ [17:59] the -bin file dropped from 4 MB to 2 MB though [17:59] neato [18:00] s/file/package/g [18:00] package eventually = file anyway ;-) [18:00] JontheEchidna: I suppose every package should be tested with lzma for further gain as you go along [18:01] could also give a nice save on amarok and possibly mysql [18:01] It is somewhat of a pain since you have to add a predepends on a specific version of dpkg to every binary package or else it fails to upload [18:01] * apachelogger thinks that is a design flaw within dpkg itself though [18:01] so I wouldn't go and do it willy-nilly to everything [18:01] there should be a way to define stuff for all packages [18:02] like the section value [18:02] there should also be a way to only lzma certain packages, like the -dbg ones [18:02] which, btw, get ~40-45% smaller [18:02] Oo [18:02] wow [18:03] maybe 30-35 [18:03] * JontheEchidna double-checks [18:03] https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa [18:04] From 56 MB to 30 MB [18:04] oh w00t [18:04] JontheEchidna: did you base the implementation on cdbs or manually set the value in rules? [18:04] 46% saved [18:04] apachelogger: set the value in rules [18:05] hm [18:05] we should just be able to set it up in cdbs and then set a bool or something [18:05] JontheEchidna: I would recommend doing that in kde4.mk based on a boolean [18:05] makes lzmaification a bit easier :) [18:06] Tonio_: not recently === smarter_ is now known as smarter === rraphink is now known as raphink [19:31] Hi do you guys now how i can log cpu usage ? [19:32] I am having lately in 9.04 heavy loades, its like its freezes, I run on those moments most time java and Wesnoth a game [19:47] * Lure is happy that Aurélien will join Canonical === serzholino_ is now known as serzholino [19:47] Riddell: now you will not be alone on staff meetings ;-) ^^^ [19:51] * ScottK just wishes it was for something more likely to actually make Kubuntu better. [19:52] * ScottK hopes he can help his peers learn how to work in an open source environment. [19:52] ScottK: it will have to be for better: having another KDE voice on payroll can only help and Aurélien is great (based on his work on gwenview) [19:54] Well from what I've seen so far, while the current Dx design has some nice aspects, I'm not convinced overall it is an improvment. [19:54] I hope it evolves in a better direction before it comes here. [19:55] ScottK: I am with you on that one - I am glad that Kubuntu is behind currently and that this get polished first on Ubuntu/Gnome [19:56] +1 [19:56] I do not like the fact that seele's and your's feedback was not properly responded/addressed by Dx team [19:56] or at least not publicly [19:57] So far the only feedback I've gotten is to have the correctness of the current approach explained to me again and again. [19:58] I understand it. === serzholino_ is now known as serzholino [20:55] JontheEchidna: about a new kile snapshop... i keep an constantly keep an updated one in my PPA; i'll grap an updated snapshot tomorrow, and look at getting it updated in the archives [22:00] Riddell: I'm using Quasel on my fresh Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 5 install [22:01] how do you like it so far rickspencer3? [22:01] shiny [22:02] hehe [22:02] KDE has gotten a lot shinier since I tried it last [22:02] I plan to use this for my production computer all next week [22:03] I also have the UNR setting up on my eee right now [22:03] cool :) [22:04] Nightrose: you're runnng Jaunty, I presume? [22:04] nope still intrepid on my maschines - I only have two and need both for production right now [22:04] hehe [22:04] yeah, I actually put Jaunty on a partition [22:05] ah that works yea [22:06] if you have the stomach for it, because partitioners sometime fail :) [22:06] rickspencer3: I run the dev release on my production systems all the time :) [22:06] but im crazy [22:06] hehe [22:06] rgreening likes it risky ;-) [22:06] rgreening: you must see apport a lot [22:06] lol. yup. but thats how I find and fix stuff [22:07] rgreening++ [22:07] and since I need to develop just as much as I need to program, it makes sense for me to use the system as much as possible [22:07] oh it's time for cookies i think [22:07] yah [22:07] kubotu: order cookies for rgreening [22:07] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to rgreening. [22:07] mmm.. choco-chip [22:08] * rgreening shares will everyone [22:30] now I [22:30] 'm getting kontact set up [22:31] (I think) [22:34]