[00:03] <neversfelde> anybody knoq how moinmoin handles picture size?
[00:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: asking on #ubuntu-doc but nobody talking
[00:14] <neversfelde> Riddell: I will improve it tommorow, if Alpha 5 is not released before the evening. In the meantime I added choqoK 0.4 and try to remember what was new after Alpha 4
[00:14] <neversfelde> and of course I should go to bed. n8
[00:15] <Riddell> thanks neversfelde
[00:44] <yao_ziyuan> can i compile a kde3 app in gnome?
[00:44] <yao_ziyuan> e.g. cmake
[00:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Your kdeedu fixes are in backports and I'm getting ready to upload to Jaunty as soon as the Alpha freeze is lifted.
[00:46] <yao_ziyuan> what is kwin-crystal and kde4-style-qtcurve's versions in jaunty?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Ok. Thanks for the update.
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> yao_ziyuan: crystal is at 2.0.1
[00:50] <yao_ziyuan> should be 2.0.3
[00:50] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: Do you know about rmadison?
[00:50] <yao_ziyuan> qtcurve should be 0.61.3
[00:50] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK: no
[00:50] <txwikinger> Is there still time to get the user management package into Kubuntu?
[00:50] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: It's a script from the devscripts package.
[00:50] <yao_ziyuan> ScottK: then what?
[00:51] <ScottK> txwikinger: You'd need to get an FFe from Riddell, so up to him.
[00:51] <txwikinger> like is there a realistic chance to get a FFe
[00:51] <txwikinger> ScottK ok
[00:51] <txwikinger> I will talk to him
[00:51] <Riddell> txwikinger: we can get it into universe I'm sure, if it works better than the current stuff a feature freeze exception is pretty likely
[00:51] <txwikinger> Hi Riddell
[00:51] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: If you install devscripts then you can type rmadison kwin-crystal and it will give you the version of that package in all supported Ubuntu releases.
[00:52] <txwikinger> Thanks.. I got it working fairly well
[00:52] <yao_ziyuan> ..
[00:52] <txwikinger> Some things are still a little odd, but better than nothing I would think
[00:52] <yao_ziyuan> very geeky
[00:53] <ScottK> txwikinger: We don't have 'nothing' currently, so the question is, is it better?
[00:54] <yao_ziyuan> there are only 2 cross-DE widget styles as far as i know
[00:54] <yao_ziyuan> BlueCurve (by RedHat) and QtCurve
[00:54] <yao_ziyuan> these are both documented on wikipedia
[00:55] <txwikinger> ScottK.. what do we have at the moment?
[00:55] <ScottK> We have KUser.
[00:57] <txwikinger> Ah... haven't seen that for a long time :D
[00:57] <txwikinger> Is there a bug in KCM that if you require root it opens a new window?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> depends on your definition of bug :P
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> if we didn't launch the module in a kcmshell as root the kcm would be useless
[00:58] <ScottK> KUser isn't integrated into systemsettings here.
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> Nor here
[00:59] <txwikinger> Well.. if I take the require-root out of the desktop file the window stays in the systemsetting frame
[00:59] <txwikinger> if I put it back in, it is outside
[01:00] <txwikinger> Was Kuser ever integrated in systemsettings?
[01:01] <txwikinger> Well... not sure about better... probably pretty much the same as KUser, just that it can be started from systemsetting
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> Currently expected behavior is that root-requiring kcms are launched in their own kcmshell through kdesudo
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> eventually it'd be nice to get policykit integration so that we don't have to keep that hack around
[01:04] <txwikinger> ah ok
[01:05] <txwikinger> just wondered if I do something wrong
[01:05]  * txwikinger thinks he needs to hack umbrello a bit
[01:05] <Riddell> mm, yes please
[01:06] <seele> you have a thing for umbrello, huh?
[01:06] <txwikinger> I really like using it for factoring
[01:06] <Riddell> seele: I do maintain it in theory
[01:07] <txwikinger> Riddell: How about support to use an editor of choice for the method bodies :D
[01:07]  * txwikinger is addicted to syntax highlighting
[01:08] <Riddell> well for actual coding you're better off with an IDE
[01:08]  * seele likes visio for it's drawing primitives, not semantics
[01:08] <txwikinger> Well.. I am currently coding with umbrello.. works quite well
[01:08] <ScottK> Is there a way to get the battery to be smaller than the full height of the taskbar?
[01:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: I'm surprised it's stable enough
[01:08] <Riddell> ScottK: don't believe so
[01:08] <shtylman> ScottK: nope
[01:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: It is not
[01:09] <txwikinger> I save after every change
[01:09] <txwikinger> and it every now and then loses my php contructors
[01:09] <shtylman> can I delete a bazaar branch remotely?
[01:09]  * ScottK would definitely use plasma-widget-battery-small.
[01:09] <shtylman> without using launchpad?
[01:10] <Riddell> shtylman: don't think so
[01:11] <shtylman> darn
[01:11] <shtylman> im evaluating the feature differences b/t git and bzr and that came up
[01:11] <Riddell> shtylman: ask in #bzr to be sure
[01:12] <shtylman> Riddell: will do
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> Do we ship a lastfm plasmoid?
[01:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: don't know of one
[01:12]  * JontheEchidna goes for the invalid button
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, we do it seems
[01:13] <Riddell> where?
[01:13]  * txwikinger does not like wildcard imports in python
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget-lastmoid
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger: me either :(
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> the inheritance is just confusing
[01:15]  * txwikinger is not sure if he is happy to travel to Italy next month
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Oh, did I ever tell you the results of compressing kdebase-workspace with lzma?
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> We get ~5 MB
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> If kdelibs follows the pattern we could probably get 4MB saved with lzma there
[01:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nice
[01:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: why not?  what's that for?
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> should we discuss this at the next meeting?
[01:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if it works we should just go for it
[01:18] <txwikinger> Well... jetlag, travel time
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> We should make sure that the saved space is worth the increased build time and unpacking time
[01:18] <txwikinger> It is or a conference called Interedition
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> I wasn't able to notice it though, so I think we should go for it
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> plus it really helps cut down on the -dbg package sizes too
[01:19] <ScottK> Now quick, quick, everyone upload and break something.
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> In that case, /me goes off to add lzma compression to kdelibs and -workspace in bzr
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> irt jr's comment
[01:21] <txwikinger> upload or download?
[01:25] <yao_ziyuan> finally making qtcurve/kde3!
[01:26] <yao_ziyuan> then i should copy the folder to the host machine and run sudo make install?
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> The todo looks nice and green...
[01:37] <yao_ziyuan> is there something like nopaste, tinypic but that can let me upload small binaries?
[01:38] <yao_ziyuan> i made a qtcurve-kde3.deb in the virtual machine and copied it to the host (kubuntu 8.10/kde4.2) and installed successfully
[01:39] <yao_ziyuan> now my OOo 3.0.1 uses the latest qtcurve now
[01:40] <yao_ziyuan> QtCurve 0.61.2 for KDE3: http://filebin.ca/mtyntc/qtcurve-kde3_0.61.2-0_i386.deb
[01:41] <ScottK> So we've got the feedback page off the release notes.  Does anyone actually look at that or is it pure catharsis for the end user?
[01:43] <seele> oh my, the frantic emails are starting to come in now
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> I read it, not that the fact that I read it matters that much
[01:44] <seele> (midnight is a deadline for a major homework)
[01:44] <shtylman> ScottK: ive never looked at it...
[01:44] <shtylman> ScottK: what we really need is an easier way to give feedback from within the distro
[01:44] <ScottK> It does occur to me that someone ought to.
[01:45] <Riddell> feedback pages comes straight to my inbox
[01:45] <Riddell> as does any other page with Kubuntu in its name
[01:46] <shtylman> Riddell: ahh
[01:46] <claydoh> I think wikis still intimidate some folks (assuming they look)
[01:46] <ScottK> OK.  Good.  I've never looked at one before, so I was really hoping someone was.
[01:46] <ScottK> Now he shows up.
[01:47] <ScottK> claydoh: We took a stab at release notes.  Please pretty them up.
[01:47] <claydoh> aw, man, I was avoiding work :)
[01:48] <claydoh> not really, family issues.. rather be working
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: We have libical backported to intrepid, yes?
[01:53]  * JontheEchidna is doing further cleaning of kubuntu-experimental
[01:53] <ScottK> No
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> Apparently kdepim is pretty sucky with old versions of libical
[01:53] <ScottK> You can delete kdeedu and cdbs in about 10 minutes.
[01:54] <claydoh> wow is it me or is that ubiquity map weird? though it was a corrupted image at first till
[01:54] <yao_ziyuan> QtCurve 0.61.3 for GTK2: http://filebin.ca/edzvp/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.3-0_i386.deb
[01:55] <yao_ziyuan> QtCurve 0.61.3 for KDE4: http://filebin.ca/foptmu/qtcurve-kde4_0.61.3-0_i386.deb
[01:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: There's a bunch of Gnome stuff and such that'd need to be tested before we backported libical.
[01:55] <yao_ziyuan> DISCLAIMER: i uploaded these binaries from within china to filebin.ca via an insecure connection. use them at your own risk...
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> Meh.
[01:56] <ScottK> And they are unsigned, so it's insanity.  Don't do it.
[01:57] <ScottK> yao_ziyuan: It's very good of you to disclose that.
[02:02]  * JontheEchidna reboots to switch mice
[02:03] <shtylman> ...
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> nevermind, they found another usb mouse
[02:22] <yao_ziyuan1> Correction: QtCurve 0.61.3 for GTK2: http://filebin.ca/vdnwqc/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.3-0_i386.deb
[02:23] <yao_ziyuan1> but i strongly recommend you guys to test drive these 3 debs in a virtual machine
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> O.o http://www.google.com/search?q=supported+architectures+ubuntu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[02:26] <shtylman> bahahaha
[02:27] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: did you read the release type?
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:29] <shtylman> I really hope we get to that
[02:29] <shtylman> and use that name
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> lmao: "Kubuntu was also marketed towards Moral Kombat players who are unable to use an applications that starts with 'c'."
[02:29] <shtylman> hahaha
[02:29] <nixternal> hola
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> "Given the quirky nature of X, GNOME and many OpenGL drivers, this resulted in severe epileptic seizures in some lusers due to a deluge of error messages splashing onto the screen at higher than refresh rate. "
[02:30] <shtylman> lol
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> Kinky Kangaroo > Karmic Koala
[02:30] <shtylman> oh indeed
[02:31] <shtylman> "nternet Explorer 6, the default web browser in Ubuntu (Courtesy of Microsoft)."
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> haha
[02:31] <shtylman> hahaha "work safe wallpapers"
[02:31] <nixternal> hey, kinky kangaroo was mine...I dubbed it during edgy eft :p
[02:31] <shtylman> god...I remember that whole bag of worms
[02:31] <nixternal> or maybe dapper
[02:32] <nixternal> i just saw a presentation template that used the naked wallpaper
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Gnome_desktop.png
[02:35] <shtylman> hahahah
[02:44] <rgreening> I cant wait for Milky Maidens :)
[02:45]  * rgreening hides
[02:45] <shtylman> my roommate used to call it hardy heroin :)
[02:45] <vorian> ha
[02:46] <nixternal> are we going to release final version with anything newer than kde 4.2.1?
[02:47] <rgreening> not sure. itll be tight for 4.2.2
[02:48] <vorian> nixternal: we could possibly, 4.2.2 is due out April 1st
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> tagged or out?
[02:49] <vorian> out the door
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> kewl
[02:49] <vorian> tag is March 25th
[02:49] <vorian> so, march 27th :P
[02:49] <shtylman> what is in store for 4.2.2?
[02:50] <vorian> MOAR bug fixes
[02:50] <shtylman> haha
[02:50] <shtylman> well...yes...
[02:50] <shtylman> any new features?
[02:50] <shtylman> prettification?
[02:50] <vorian> silly shtylman, new features are for kids
[02:50] <dtchen> of course. plasmoid-widget-network-manager will be replaced with plasmoid-widget-dancing-nixternal
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> hahaha
[02:50] <vorian> \o/
[02:51] <shtylman> vorian: wow....just....wow
[02:51] <vorian> ~order cookies for shtylman
[02:51]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to shtylman.
[02:59] <maco> there's a kubotu?
[02:59] <maco> or is someone having fun with /nick?
[02:59] <vorian> ~order a cookie for maco
[02:59]  * kubotu slides a cookie down the bar to maco
[03:05] <claydoh> how is this:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha5/Kubuntu
[03:06]  * JontheEchidna expounds on the wonders of Qt 4.5
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> and on the risks
[03:08] <vorian> claydoh: looks great
[03:10] <yao_ziyuan1> i miss kubuntu/kde3's kicker background very much. hope a kde4 plasma theme can revive it.
[03:12] <Shafqat> was alpha 5 released more than 16 hours ago?
[03:13] <Shafqat> because thats when i updated my jaunty
[03:22]  * ScottK regrets having read the backscroll and goes to scrub his eyes.
[03:22] <ScottK> ... grumbles at dtchen for invoking unpleasant imagry.
[03:42] <shtylman> is trackpad scrolling broken for anyone else in jaunty?
[04:10] <maco> shtylman: yeah...
[04:10] <maco> lemme find the bug #
[04:13] <shtylman> maco: ok...good its not just me...
[04:14] <maco> shtylman: i believe its part of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfree86-driver-synaptics/+bug/320639
[04:14] <maco> a lot broke and various symptoms have been being fixed slowly
[04:15] <shtylman> weird...seems to be no clear indication of what is going on...
[04:16] <maco> that update introduced a bunch of regressions for a bunch of touchpads...not necessarily the same regression on every touchpad though
[04:17] <shtylman> heh
[04:17] <shtylman> well, hopefully it will be straigtened out...
[04:18] <shtylman> im quite surprised something so major broke..
[04:18] <maco> the annoying thing where the left click was acting as middle click is, thankfully, fixed
[04:19] <shtylman> damn...luckily I avoided that
[04:22] <dtchen> it's linux vs. hal/devicekit
[04:22] <dtchen> don't be surprised; a lot more stuff is going to go haywire
[04:22] <dtchen> YES, including sound
[04:22] <dtchen> [but not for Kubuntu]
[04:23] <shtylman> is one replacing parts of another? or integration problems?
[04:27] <dtchen> both
[04:27] <shtylman> goodie
[05:24] <yao_ziyuan1> when my kubuntu 8.10 exits from a full screen mode,
[05:24] <yao_ziyuan1> it will first display my current gnome wallpaper for a second
[05:25] <yao_ziyuan1> also, my ksysguard shows 'gnome-screensaver' running. is it normal?
[05:26]  * ScottK doesn't consider it normal to have that stuff even installed.
[05:27] <yao_ziyuan1> i have both gnome and kde4 desktops
[05:27] <yao_ziyuan1> also: gconfd-2
[05:34] <yao_ziyuan1> i will see if this also happens in my kubuntu 8.04.2 virtual machine which is initially ubuntu but then with kubuntu-desktop installed
[05:39] <yao_ziyuan1> it also has gconfd-2, but no gnome-screensaver
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan1> it seems to be here:
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan1> yaoziyuan@yaoziyuan-desktop:~$ ls /etc/pam.d
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan1> atd   chsh            common-auth      common-session  cups  gdm            gnome-screensaver  kdm     kscreensaver  other   polkit  samba  sudo
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan1> chfn  common-account  common-password  cron            cvs   gdm-autologin  kcheckpass         kdm-np  login         passwd  ppp     su
[05:54] <yao_ziyuan1> ok. gnome-screensaver is brought up by gnome-settings-daemon
[06:46] <animesh> can anyone tell me that i have kde-3.5.5 installed on ubuntu distro and want to uninstall it what to do??
[06:47] <maco> er....what?
[06:47] <maco> do you want to go to a newer version of kde?
[06:47] <maco> or do you want to go gnome-only?
[06:49] <animesh> ye a newer version of kde
[06:50] <maco> what version of kubuntu? 7.10?
[06:50] <maco> if you upgrade to 8.04 you can get 3.5.9 or kde 4
[06:52] <animesh> i have already ubuntu 8.04 installed and i used 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it installed 3.5.5 by default,
[06:53] <a|wen-> how do you see it is 3.5.5?
[06:55] <animesh> kde-config -v
[06:56] <maco> ah ok
[06:56] <maco> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[06:56] <a|wen-> maco: it should be 3.5.10 in hardy
[06:57] <maco> a|wen-: maybe not updated?
[06:57] <maco> or just incorrect version string
[06:57] <a|wen-> animesh: do you want kde3 or kde4 (on hardy only kde3 is fully supported)?
[06:57] <maco> dpkg -l kdebase-bin
[06:58] <maco> to find the version
[06:59] <a|wen-> animesh: if you want kde3 then stick to hardy ... if you want kde4 upgrading to intrepid will be my recommendation
[07:00] <animesh>  ii  kdebase-bin    4:3.5.10-0ubun core binaries for the KDE base module ||/ Name           Version        Description
[07:00] <maco> yeah its 3.5.10, not 3.5.5
[07:00] <a|wen-> everything is as it should be then
[07:01] <animesh> please tell me one thing that hardy does n't supports kde4
[07:02] <animesh> or supports
[07:02] <maco> animesh: its just that not all of the stuff was converted to kde4 yet for hardy
[07:02] <maco> like kmail is still only kde3
[07:03] <maco> you can, of course, use it anyway
[10:49] <cumulus007> Is it possible to translate release announcements?
[10:52] <Riddell> cumulus007: it's possible but we're not really set up for it
[10:53] <cumulus007> Riddell: why not
[10:54] <Riddell> cumulus007: well we write them on a wiki at the last minute, wiki isn't great for translations and there's no preparation time
[10:54] <Riddell> and our website isn't set up for translations either as far as I know
[10:54] <Riddell> cumulus007: which release announcement were you thinking of?
[10:55] <cumulus007> Riddell: Alpha's, final releases
[10:56] <cumulus007> Riddell: Since Ubuntu attempts to get in touch with as much people as possible, I think release announcements should habe the options to tranlsate them
[10:57] <Riddell> cumulus007: right I'm not saying it wouldn't be good, I just can't think of an easy way to do it
[10:57] <Riddell> cumulus007: hang around on the channel around release time and we'll ping you as we write it would be the only thing I can think of
[10:57] <cumulus007> okay
[10:57] <cumulus007> will set it on autojoin :-)
[11:16] <Hobbsee> yeowch.  have some upgrades for kde4 and jaunty...
[11:17] <Riddell> got to keep up to date
[11:17] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[11:17] <Hobbsee> this was last updated sometime before feb 12
[11:17] <Hobbsee> er, feb 10
[11:21] <gnomefreak> what flag is used with update-manager-kde to upgrade to devel release?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> seems -d is not a good flag and i dont see man or --help info for it
[11:26] <Hobbsee> blargh, akregator
[11:26] <Hobbsee> why does it not put the next article into focus, after you hit delete on the previous article?
[11:53]  * seele yawns
[12:44] <seele> i've been noticing more and more quassel users lately.. i dunno if i'm just recognizing them or if there are a lot of kubuntu users or if there are just a lot more of them now :)
[14:20] <cbr> i wonder why does qt4's listview stuff lag so hard on my laptop
[14:20] <cbr> scrolling lags heavily in dolphin, amarok2 etc
[14:26] <Quintasan> \o
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: The good news is I backported all the Universe plasmoids to solve the libplasma2/3 problems for people using KDE 4.2 on Intrepid.  The bad news is most of them need New'ing.  Since I uploaded them I shouldn't New them, so over to you ....
[14:50] <Riddell> super, let me look
[15:03] <rickspencer3> all my meetings for today got cancelled ... I might get a lot done today :)
[15:13] <rickspencer3> sebas: Riddell: next Wednesday at 1800UTC? Is that too late?
[15:14] <Riddell> fine with me
[16:09] <rickspencer3> hey guyses: I'm going to install Kubuntu alpha 5 on my desktop this weekend ...
[16:09] <rickspencer3> anything I should know?
[16:12] <rgreening> there are some release notes....
[16:12] <rgreening> let me get the link....
[16:13] <rgreening> rickspencer3: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha5/Kubuntu
[16:14] <rgreening> rickspencer3: have a look at the known issues near the bottom of the page...
[16:16] <rickspencer3> thanks rgreening
[16:16] <rickspencer3> I did see that
[16:17] <rgreening> other than that. nope. you should be good to go rickspencer3
[16:17] <rickspencer3> hehe
[16:18] <rickspencer3> I'm looking forward to trying Quassel
[16:18] <rgreening> rickspencer3: KDE 4.2.1 will be uploaded in the next week. So, some KDE 4.2.0 issues that remain, may well get resolved.
[16:18] <rickspencer3> yeah
[16:19] <rgreening> rickspencer3: when I first tried quallsel, I hated it. Not I really like it.
[16:19] <rickspencer3> interesting
[16:19] <rickspencer3> what happened?
[16:19] <rgreening> I was a konversation user.... quassel was just different.
[16:20] <rgreening> however, seele has helped make this really usable.
[16:20] <jussi01> :D
[16:20] <Sime> Riddell: thanks for the wad of stickers.
[16:20] <rgreening> lots of changes requested by the quassel team and they made them for us.
[16:20]  * rgreening is still waiting for stickers. must be carrier pidgeon to get to Newfoundland :)
[16:28] <Sime> rgreening: now, once you see how many stickers there are, you will understand why the pidgeons are taking so long. ;-)
[16:28] <rgreening> lol
[16:31] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm having random system hangs
[16:31] <cumulus007> on Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 5
[16:41] <rgreening> cumulus007: what video card?
[16:42] <cumulus007> rgreening: nvidia geforce 9400 GT
[16:43] <rgreening> are you using the nvidia driver or the open source one?
[16:43] <cumulus007> nvidia 180.29
[16:43] <rgreening> ok
[16:43] <cumulus007> nvidia one
[16:43] <rgreening> anything show up in .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log or dmesg?
[16:44] <cumulus007> dmesg says nothing about it
[16:45] <rgreening> cumulus007: can you try the vesa driver and see if the problem goes away? Just want to see if it's the vid driver interaction with xserver 1.6
[16:47] <cumulus007> rgreening: will try that some time, I'm too lazy to do that now :P
[16:47] <rgreening> ok, next random freeze then would be a good time :)
[16:47] <cumulus007> yep
[16:48] <cumulus007> .xsession-errors is huge, but I can't find anything special
[17:52] <apachelogger> hola
[17:53] <smarter_> heya apachelogger
[17:53] <Tonio_> hi apachelogger
[17:54] <Tonio_> rgreening: hve you seen glatzor online those days ?
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kdelibs and kdebase-workspace got lzma'd
[17:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: already?
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> well, they're going to be next upload
[17:58] <apachelogger> sweet
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> we save ~5 MB for kdebase
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> -workspace
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately the huge wallpaper package barely got smaller at all
[17:59] <apachelogger> that is for all workspace packages, right?
[17:59] <apachelogger> hm
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> total saved for all workspace packages
[17:59] <apachelogger> stupid wallpapers
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah :/
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> the -bin file dropped from 4 MB to 2 MB though
[17:59] <apachelogger> neato
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> s/file/package/g
[18:00] <apachelogger> package eventually = file anyway ;-)
[18:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose every package should be tested with lzma for further gain as you go along
[18:01] <apachelogger> could also give a nice save on amarok and possibly mysql
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> It is somewhat of a pain since you have to add a predepends on a specific version of dpkg to every binary package or else it fails to upload
[18:01]  * apachelogger thinks that is a design flaw within dpkg itself though
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> so I wouldn't go and do it willy-nilly to everything
[18:01] <apachelogger> there should be a way to define stuff for all packages
[18:02] <apachelogger> like the section value
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> there should also be a way to only lzma certain packages, like the -dbg ones
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> which, btw, get ~40-45% smaller
[18:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:02] <apachelogger> wow
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> maybe 30-35
[18:03]  * JontheEchidna double-checks
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> From 56 MB to 30 MB
[18:04] <smarter_> oh w00t
[18:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you base the implementation on cdbs or manually set the value in rules?
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> 46% saved
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: set the value in rules
[18:05] <apachelogger> hm
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> we should just be able to set it up in cdbs and then set a bool or something
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would recommend doing that in kde4.mk based on a boolean
[18:05] <apachelogger> makes lzmaification a bit easier :)
[18:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: not recently
[19:31] <quassel208> Hi do you guys now how i can log cpu usage ?
[19:32] <quassel208> I am having lately in 9.04 heavy loades, its like its freezes, I run on those moments most time java and Wesnoth a game
[19:47]  * Lure is happy that Aurélien will join Canonical
[19:47] <Lure> Riddell: now you will not be alone on staff meetings ;-) ^^^
[19:51]  * ScottK just wishes it was for something more likely to actually make Kubuntu better.
[19:52]  * ScottK hopes he can help his peers learn how to work in an open source environment.
[19:52] <Lure> ScottK: it will have to be for better: having another KDE voice on payroll can only help and Aurélien is great (based on his work on gwenview)
[19:54] <ScottK> Well from what I've seen so far, while the current Dx design has some nice aspects, I'm not convinced overall it is an improvment.
[19:54] <ScottK> I hope it evolves in a better direction before it comes here.
[19:55] <Lure> ScottK: I am with you on that one - I am glad that Kubuntu is behind currently and that this get polished first on Ubuntu/Gnome
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> +1
[19:56] <Lure> I do not like the fact that seele's and your's feedback was not properly responded/addressed by Dx team
[19:56] <Lure> or at least not publicly
[19:57] <ScottK> So far the only feedback I've gotten is to have the correctness of the current approach explained to me again and again.
[19:58] <ScottK> I understand it.
[20:55] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: about a new kile snapshop... i keep an constantly keep an updated one in my PPA; i'll grap an updated snapshot tomorrow, and look at getting it updated in the archives
[22:00] <rickspencer3> Riddell: I'm using Quasel on my fresh Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 5 install
[22:01] <Nightrose> how do you like it so far rickspencer3?
[22:01] <rickspencer3> shiny
[22:02] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:02] <rickspencer3> KDE has gotten a lot shinier since I tried it last
[22:02] <rickspencer3> I plan to use this for my production computer all next week
[22:03] <rickspencer3> I also have the UNR setting up on my eee right now
[22:03] <Nightrose> cool :)
[22:04] <rickspencer3> Nightrose: you're runnng Jaunty, I presume?
[22:04] <Nightrose> nope still intrepid on my maschines - I only have two and need both for production right now
[22:04] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:04] <rickspencer3> yeah, I actually put Jaunty on a partition
[22:05] <Nightrose> ah that works yea
[22:06] <rickspencer3> if you have the stomach for it, because partitioners sometime fail :)
[22:06] <rgreening> rickspencer3: I run the dev release on my production systems all the time :)
[22:06] <rgreening> but im crazy
[22:06] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:06] <Nightrose> rgreening likes it risky ;-)
[22:06] <rickspencer3> rgreening: you must see apport a lot
[22:06] <rgreening> lol. yup. but thats how I find and fix stuff
[22:07] <Nightrose> rgreening++
[22:07] <rgreening> and since I need to develop just as much as I need to program, it makes sense for me to use the system as much as possible
[22:07] <Nightrose> oh it's time for cookies i think
[22:07] <rickspencer3> yah
[22:07] <Nightrose> kubotu: order cookies for rgreening
[22:07]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to rgreening.
[22:07] <rgreening> mmm.. choco-chip
[22:08]  * rgreening shares will everyone
[22:30] <rickspencer3> now I
[22:30] <rickspencer3> 'm getting kontact set up
[22:31] <rickspencer3> (I think)
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> Latest QtCurve. Uploaded via an insecure connection from within China. Use at your own risk.
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/vuyjws/qtcurve-kde4_0.61.4-0_i386.deb
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/jzejmw/qtcurve-kde3_0.61.3-0_i386.deb
[22:34] <yao_ziyuan> http://filebin.ca/ybpvhh/qtcurve-gtk2_0.61.4-0_i386.deb
[23:26] <seele> yay i got stickers!
[23:26] <seele> ~twitter update painting the town blue
[23:27] <kubotu> status updated