[00:46] <UnixDawg_> jaunty is nice
[00:47] <UnixDawg_> I want jaunty on zfs
[00:52] <bruce89> surely nothing stopping you
[01:10] <Scunizi> will 9.04 have ext4 integrated for use and if so will it be the default over ext3?
[01:10] <hggdh> I hope yes for the first part, and no for the second
[01:11] <robin0800> scizzo-: Alpha4 has ext4
[01:12] <Scunizi> nice
[01:12] <Scunizi> just watched a video on it.. looks like it's been stable since last Oct or before.. also fsck is 6-8 times faster than ext3.. that will be nice on a large drive
[01:14] <hggdh> it is getting even faster on fsck, T'so is working on it
[01:14] <bruce89> 25th of December was when the first stable release of the kernel with ext4 called stable
[01:15] <Scunizi> It's the T'so video I just watched.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-02-26-032-35-IN-KN
[01:15] <robin0800> Scunizi:  I find alpha4 Jaunty very stable in fact better than 8.10!
[01:18] <Scunizi> robin0800: I tried to load the latest version of kubuntu in a vbox vm and it wouldn't boot.. didn't have time to figure if it was the iso or something else.
[01:19] <Uzziel__> alpha 5 already out?
[01:19] <Scunizi> I guess the trick is how do you upgrade/reinstall and retain your old home AND convert to ext4?  guess a backup/copy to an external source and then copy back to the new system?
[01:23] <bruce89> Scunizi: you can do it in-place
[01:23] <bruce89> Scunizi: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4
[01:43] <Slartibartfast> just surfing with firefox, get suddenly a message that the nepomukservicestub did crash. i know this is still a problem and there are many bug reports about it, so i ignore this one. But right after that i get a message that firefox did crash ... but as far as i know there was really nothing wrong with firefox because i could use it like before the messages
[01:43] <Slartibartfast> does that sound familiar?
[01:44] <Guest82416> whats the difference with the dvd and cd
[01:45] <_defcon> never seen a dvd of ubuntu before
[01:45] <_defcon> extra software?
[01:45] <bruce89> the inquisitor left right after asking
[01:49] <charlie-tca> Alpha 5 released, please read the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[01:49] <_defcon> yea I saw that, why is there a dvd version of it
[01:49] <_defcon> whats the difference
[01:49] <bruce89> it has all of main on it AFAIK
[01:50] <charlie-tca> DVD has a larger capacity, so it can hold more than the cd. Gives an installation with all the stuff that has to download without being connected
[01:50] <_defcon> word, thanks
[01:51] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[01:51] <_defcon> currently downloading faster from ubuntu than torrent
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Takes a while for enough places to get a copy for torrent
[01:51] <_defcon> yea
[01:52] <_defcon> ive waited through all alphas hopefully alpha 5 is stable enough to play with
[01:52] <Slartibartfast> so anybody an idea why jaunty is reporting firefox crashed while it did not in fact ?
[01:53] <charlie-tca> The crash may not have been right when the report issued.
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it takes a while for the crash to be reported to you
[01:54] <Slartibartfast> well, it is not the first report about a crash in firefox ... but in real never seen any crashing firefox
[01:55] <Slartibartfast> i mean here in jaunty .....
[01:56] <charlie-tca> System just isn't reporting the crash when it happens. It doesn't get the report out until you are finished for some reason.
[01:56] <charlie-tca> If you run firefox in a terminal, you may see it as soon as it happens
[01:57] <Slartibartfast> mmm ... ok, will run firefox from terminal to see what happens, thanks.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> good luck
[02:12] <Turl> hi
[02:12] <Turl> I have installed jaunty with ext4. is this ext4 using extends?
[02:14] <usser> Turl, yes
[02:14] <bruce89> tune2fs -l /dev/blah
[02:14] <_defcon> junaty alpha 5 support jfs?
[02:14] <_defcon> alpha 2 didnt
[02:14] <usser> Turl, if you installed with ext4 not converted from ext3 you dont have to do what bruce89 said
[02:14] <_defcon> i installed it and the partitioner didnt recognize jfs
[02:14] <_defcon> jaunty lol
[02:15] <Scunizi> bruce89: thanks for the link about converting in place.. however it looks like it's not a full convert.. all existing files will remain in ext3 format and anything new will be in ext4
[02:15] <Turl> usser: yeah, it was a clean filesystem
[02:15] <bruce89> Scunizi: I know, it's the easiest solution
[02:16] <bruce89> in fact, it takes no time at all
[02:16] <Scunizi> bruce89: fortunately I have a 300 gig external to move /home to prior to reinstall.
[02:16] <usser> Scunizi, you can copy the files, delete the originals and copy them back i suppose
[02:16] <Turl> Scunizi: iirc you need to run something called etc4defrag or sth like that to make everything ext4 (or well, copy files to some other place, reformat and copy back)
[02:16] <Turl> ext4defrag*
[02:16] <bruce89> I don't think there's much point
[02:17] <Scunizi> I thought that I'd do what Turl mentioned and just copy them off, reformat the existing partitions and reinstall fresh with ext4 then copy the files from /home back to the new /home.
[03:15] <Slartibartfast> So i started firfox from terminal, surfed a lot, no output it the terminal. .... but now when i close it it says "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[03:16] <Slartibartfast> how come firefox thinks it crashed, when in fact i just close the program
[03:16] <hggdh> perhaps because it *did* crash?
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> mmm
[03:17] <charlie-tca> So the crash is when it closes
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[03:17] <Slartibartfast> seems so ... maybe some addon which causes this ... will disable them first
[03:17] <hggdh> good idea
[03:19]  * charlie-tca learned from hggdh
[03:20] <hggdh> heh
[03:20] <Slartibartfast> mmm move .mozilla to .mozilal-old .... restarted and now it says "Aborted (core dumped)" ... but the second time it again says Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:21] <hggdh> no /var/crash entries?
[03:21] <Slartibartfast> elt me see
[03:21] <Slartibartfast> let
[03:22] <Slartibartfast> yes ... one from last 14 hours ago or so
[03:22] <Slartibartfast> last night
[03:22] <hggdh> rename it to -- say -- ffox-save, and try again
[03:23] <Slartibartfast> firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server x�H
[03:24] <hggdh> that's interesting, and the plot thickens
[03:25] <Slartibartfast> second time it says firefox: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server 8
[03:25] <hggdh> look at the ~/.xsession-errors, and at /var/log/Xlog.0.log.
[03:25] <Slartibartfast> ok
[03:29] <Slartibartfast> Not sure what i need to look for in .xsession-errors .... But  /var/log/Xlog.0.log does not really show errors
[03:29] <Slartibartfast> in .xsession-errors i see ..  kwin: X Error (error: <unknown>[DAMAGE+0], request: XDamageDestroy[DAMAGE+2], resource: 0x161ecd5)
[03:30] <hggdh> neither am I, but we are looking for anything that looks like an error -- and may be related
[03:30] <hggdh> that's near the end?
[03:30] <Slartibartfast> yes
[03:30] <Slartibartfast> to bad there are no time stamps
[03:31] <hggdh> and did you get a new /var/crash entry?
[03:32] <Slartibartfast> yes new _usr_lib_firefox-3.0.6_firefox.1000.crash ... but when i tried again, no new entry in .xsession-errors
[03:33] <hggdh> so it may not be related.
[03:33] <Slartibartfast> looks like
[03:33] <hggdh> ok. perhaps it would be a good idea to submit this bug
[03:34] <Slartibartfast> OK .. will go to launchpad then, thnks
[03:34] <hggdh> you may also run apport-gtk on the crash -- it will automagically upload the data, and propose to open a bug
[03:35] <bruce89> Slartibartfast: ls -l
[03:35] <Slartibartfast> apport? ... but i use kubuntu ...
[03:36] <diginux> you poor soul
[03:36] <Slartibartfast> :-)
[03:36] <diginux> heh
[03:36] <Slartibartfast> yeah, life is hard
[03:36] <bruce89> see apport-cli then
[03:40] <hggdh> yes
[03:40] <Slartibartfast> wow, the crash file of firefox is 7,5mb, thats some big coredump :-)
[03:42] <hggdh> actually, no
[03:43] <Slartibartfast> :-) .. hehe ok ...
[03:44] <hggdh> right now I have four over 15M
[03:45] <hggdh> g'night, fellas
[04:43] <billybigrigger> anyone here having problems with gnome-thumbnail taking 100 cpu usage?
[04:44] <freakabcd> hi all
[04:44] <freakabcd> is bash 4.0 coming in JJ ?
[04:51] <dtchen> freakabcd: possibly but not probably. on the other hand, it's still fairly early in the cycle, so a FFe isn't out of the question.
[04:51] <freakabcd> ok thanks. I was just wondering about it.
[04:53] <kernco> I can't enable the nvidia driver on Kubuntu Jaunty alpha 5.  It worked on the live cd, but now that I've installed it, when I click on "activate" in the restricted driver manager, the dialog pops up that says "Downloading and Installing" and then disappears immediately.
[04:54] <ziroday> kernco: try install it from the command line
[05:29] <billybigrigger> bloody FF
[05:29] <billybigrigger> more problems with firefox than jaunty itself...blah!
[05:58] <Tukon> hey all
[05:58] <Tukon> just installed alpha 5
[05:58] <Tukon> of kubuntu
[05:58] <Tukon> anyone know a quick way to enable raster graphics?
[06:09] <usser> raster graphics?
[06:10] <crdlb> you mean the incorrect patch to qt 4.5 that certain gentoo users are so fond of applying? :)
[06:10] <Tukon> haha
[06:11] <Tukon> i read this: http://adymo.blogspot.com/
[06:11] <Tukon> and have been hearing about it
[06:11] <Tukon> wanted to give it a try
[08:11] <scizzo-> morning
[08:46] <DanaG> Is it just me, or is this bad manners?
[08:46] <DanaG> "Regardless of type, a bubble should appear as a rectangle of color #131313 (regardless of theme) with opacity 90%, corner roundness 0.375 em, and a drop shadow of #000000 color and 0.5 em spread. The bubble should blur whatever is behind it with a Gaussian blur of 0.125 em."
[08:46] <DanaG> er
[08:47] <DanaG> "regardless of theme" -- that's rude.
[08:54] <DanaG> Also bad manners: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/327427
[08:58] <DanaG> "When there is a kernel oops, a notification bubble appears asking if you want to send the error to the Kernel Oops Web site: “Always”, “Yes”, “No”, or “Never”. This should totally be an alert box instead."
[08:58] <DanaG> -- totally!
[09:07] <DanaG> Assertion 'usec <= ((pa_usec_t) 1000000ULL)*60ULL*60ULL' failed at pulsecore/rtpoll.c:548, function pa_rtpoll_set_timer_relative(). Aborting.
[09:50] <les> is there any central place to keep tabs on jaunty development? (somewhere on launchpad perhaps? elsewhere?)
[09:50] <IntuitiveNipple> les: In what way?
[09:51] <les> i'm interested in the changes being made, the work on jaunty. really just 'what's happening'
[09:51] <le_biloute> any way to upgrade from alpha 4 to alpha 5 without using the iso?
[09:52] <IntuitiveNipple> les: Most of the overview is in the Jaunty blueprints on Launchpad. For day-to-day you might want to subscribe to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[09:53] <Ienorand> le_biloute: afaik, just installing all updates would get you that.
[09:53] <les> IntuitiveNipple: perfect, thanks for the pointers
[09:53] <IntuitiveNipple> le_biloute: If it is already installed regular updates will do that
[09:53] <le_biloute> ah okay, great
[09:53] <le_biloute> thanks ;)
[09:53] <IntuitiveNipple> An "alpha" or "beta" CD image is just bringing all the latest packages together with the installer.
[09:54] <IntuitiveNipple> The CDs are more a test for the installer than the working system
[09:55] <Ienorand> And reinstalling is also a good way to check whether its the updates or you that's broken things...
[09:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Using VM guests is a quick way to do that in most cases (except hardware-specific)
[09:59] <Nubae> hi there, so I'm trying to edit my second eth  connection through network manager but everything is greyed out, cannot edit... what can I do?
[10:05] <Nubae> ah, nevermind... policy kit I guess...
[10:09] <askand> Is it only my notifications which are overlapping the panel?
[10:09] <askand> If not, where can I find a bugreport?
[10:10] <scizzo-> askand: there are reports about it for notify-osd
[10:10] <crdlb> it's not just you
[10:10] <scizzo-> !bug 332333
[10:11] <crdlb> lol @ not monitoring for panel struts :/
[10:11] <askand> thanks'̈́
[10:13] <Nubae> hmm, so policy kit didnt help... how can I delete a network connection that seems to be read only?
[10:20] <DanaG> I hate how the notifications are hardcoded to be black.
[10:20] <scizzo-> DanaG: that probably will change later
[10:21] <DanaG> Looks like it's by design, for now.
[10:21] <DanaG> "Regardless of type, a bubble should appear as a rectangle of color #131313 (regardless of theme) with opacity 90%, corner roundness 0.375 em, and a drop shadow of #000000 color and 0.5 em spread. The bubble should blur whatever is behind it with a Gaussian blur of 0.125 em."
[10:21] <DanaG> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/NotifyOSD
[10:21] <scizzo-> yes
[10:21] <DanaG> At least they're using em, so it's DPI-independent.
[10:22] <scizzo-> the old saying "Rom was not build in a day" comes to mind here... :P
[10:22] <scizzo-> rome even
[10:25]  * DanaG wonders when radeon will get power management.
[10:25] <DanaG> To me, that's actually more important than 3D acceleration, frankly.
[10:25]  * crdlb wonders when DanaG will ask in a channel containing people who know the answer to that question :P
[10:25] <DanaG> Right now, it leaves the GPU running full-speed... while not accelerating anything.
[10:26] <DanaG> It's like a car with the engine redlining... while coasting downhill in neutral.
[10:26] <DanaG> Which are they fixing first? Taking it out of neutral, essentially.  Which do I want them to do?  Stop redlining it.
[10:26] <DanaG> =þ
[10:27] <DanaG> Before I got my laptop, people kept telling me I'd regret getting ATI (and I got it by conscious choice) -- but I actually haven't regretted it.
[10:28] <DanaG> With 2.9.29 kernel debs and the ATI open-source driver, suspend and resume are essentially _perfectly_ reliable.
[10:28] <DanaG> Never before have I had a machine suspend and resume so reliably.
[10:30] <DanaG> Now if only vt-switching worked...
[10:30] <DanaG> E: rtpoll.c: Assertion 'usec <= ((pa_usec_t) 1000000ULL)*60ULL*60ULL' failed at pulsecore/rtpoll.c:548, function pa_rtpoll_set_timer_relative(). Aborting.
[10:31]  * DanaG is also glad to have a hardware mute control -- spiffy.
[10:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[10:50] <cumulus007> Is it possible to translate release announcements?
[10:58] <loup> hi
[10:58] <loup> i wanted to try jaunty on a test machine
[10:58] <loup> can i already use ext4?
[10:59] <ziroday> loup: yes
[11:00] <loup> ok
[11:08] <scizzo-> cumulus007: what do you mean with that exactly?
[11:09] <cumulus007> scizzo-: Since Ubuntu attempts to get in touch with as much people as possible, I think there should be a possibility to translate release announcements of Ubuntu releases to a local language
[11:12] <scizzo-> cumulus007: I would think that the documentation team would be able to answer that
[11:12] <scizzo-> cumulus007: #ubuntu-doc
[11:15] <Tinason> is there a way to network upgrade my intrepid to jackalope a5?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> Tinason: update-manager -d
[11:16] <gnomefreak> Tinason: that is safest way and preferred way
[11:16] <Tinason> command not found.
[11:16] <Tinason> what do i have to install to get that to work?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> Tinason: are you on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[11:17] <Tinason> kubuntu
[11:17] <Tinason> i should have mentioned that
[11:17] <gnomefreak> i dont remember what they call update-manager but giv eme a minute ill tell you
[11:17] <scizzo-> adept
[11:17] <Tinason> ok mate, thanks
[11:18] <scizzo-> or something like that it is called
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Tinason: the command is update-manager-kde -d
[11:19] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: adept isnt real good at upgrading releases it has caused many headaches in past for alot of people
[11:19] <Tinason> again, command not found
[11:19] <Tinason> yet, i use apt-get install update-manager-kde, and ive got the latest ver
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Tinason: one sec
[11:20] <Tinason> thanks man
[11:20] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: oooo....explains a lot actually
[11:20] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: just thought that was the main updating tool in Kubuntu
[11:23] <gnomefreak> Tinason: try using update-manager-kde and see if you than get a choice. noone has answered me yet but i have one more place to check
[11:24] <Tinason> ok thanks buddy
[11:24] <IntuitiveNipple> According to community documentation it's adept_manager: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Tinason: ok use adept using the command kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[11:27] <gnomefreak> oops
[11:27] <Tinason> tried that, command not found again
[11:27] <gnomefreak> kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"  Tinason <<<
[11:27] <Tinason> all these commands, i dont have! :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Tinason: you are missing kdesu by chance?
[11:28] <Tinason> no, i have that
[11:28] <Tinason> i dont have adept_manager, or update-manager-kde
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Tinason: install adept-manager than
[11:29] <gnomefreak> than use the command above
[11:29] <gnomefreak> with the : ehere they are
[11:29] <Tinason> `it has not install candidate
[11:29] <gnomefreak> oops i mean "
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Tinason: what have you done already?
[11:30] <Tinason> update-manager-kde -d (command not found)
[11:30] <Tinason> apt-get install update-manager-kde (already have the latest)
[11:30] <gnomefreak> since you dont have it installed you cant use it
[11:30] <Tinason> locate update-manager-kde finds some document, no bin file
[11:30] <Tinason> kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" - command not found
[11:31] <gnomefreak> thats odd. ok open adept and try it from its interface
[11:31] <Tinason> apt-get install adept-manager (package obsolete, use adept instead)
[11:31] <Tinason> ok
[11:32] <gnomefreak> yep looks like they were merged into adept package
[11:33] <gnomefreak> only thing else would be to ask mvo when he is around i havent seen him today yet
[11:33] <Tinason> ok
[11:34] <Tinason> well i appreciate the help, mate
[11:34] <Tinason> i can run update-manager, but it appears to be a gnome app. can i upgade my kubuntu with that? or will i end up with a gnome jaunty ?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:35] <gnomefreak> try update-manager -d
[11:35] <Tinason> which part is the yes ?
[11:35] <Tinason> yes i can use itt, or yes ill end up with gnome?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> you can use it. it depends what gtk apps you have
[11:35] <Tinason> with all due respect, gnomefreak, i prefer not to end up with  gnome
[11:35] <Tinason> hardly any that i am aware of
[11:36] <Tinason> i mean, will it change my desktop manager from kde to gnome?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> if you have update-manager you have more than you think
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Tinason: no you will still have kdm
[11:36] <Tinason> ok cool
[11:37] <gnomefreak> dpkg might ask you what do you prefer but if you dont have gdm installed it will still use kdm
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok i have to handle this damn failure that i started yesterday.
[11:38] <Tinason> ok
[11:50] <igor321> anyone know if jaunty is shipping with qt 4.5, google ain't helpin
[11:51] <joaopinto> igor321, packages.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <igor321> looks like it is :)
[11:52] <igor321> thanks for your help
[11:53] <joaopinto> yw :)
[11:55] <TheWoozle> Is there any way to minimize the KDEtwitter applet if it is covering the system tray?
[11:56] <TheWoozle> (Or, in other words, is there any way to either move it or minimize it *other* than via the systray.)
[12:00] <KR-data> for some reason my network doesn't work automatically without some commands, I have to questions
[12:01] <KR-data> what packages can I try to reset the configuration of in hope it'll work automatically?
[12:01] <KR-data> and what is the command to do it? (forgot the command, sorry :/ )
[12:03] <piponazo> Hi people
[12:04] <KR-data> hi
[12:04] <piponazo> Could I ask you one question about ubuntu 9.04 (alpha5) ?
[12:05] <duncan-nz> =Notifications= are others noticing that the hardware volume change notification is broken?
[12:07] <cumulus007> piponazo: sure
[12:07] <piponazo> ok, in first place sorry for my bad english :P
[12:07] <cumulus007> np
[12:08] <piponazo> the problem is the next: when I try to open the gnome-terminal I get the following message: "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal"
[12:08] <KR-data> piponazo, well most people on these channels don't write perfect English anyway :p
[12:09] <cumulus007> piponazo: try rebooting
[12:09] <piponazo> I reboot many times and the problem persist
[12:10] <piponazo> but if I change to "Ctrl+Alt+F1" that terminal runs conrrectly
[12:10] <cumulus007> piponazo: what says google about the problem?
[12:10] <KR-data> does dpkg-reconfigure reset a package to it's default config if there isn't any settings to manually set?
[12:10] <cumulus007> Of course, that's a tty, GNOME terminal is an emulator
[12:10] <piponazo> I'm searching in google for this issue but I don't find other similar case
[12:11] <cumulus007> KR-data: I don't think si
[12:11] <cumulus007> o
[12:11] <KR-data> piponazo, I had a similar message at some point, but it was solved via an update of packages
[12:11] <piponazo> aham ... I just update my distro 1 hour ago ... so I have the latest packages
[12:11] <KR-data> what can I run to do the configuration reset of a package then?
[12:12] <cumulus007> If it's user-specific, remove it's ~/.appname
[12:13] <KR-data> cumulus007, I want it system specific
[12:13] <cumulus007> hm
[12:13] <KR-data> I've seen the command before, but can't remember it :(
[12:14] <piponazo> I just observed that when I try to purge or install any package from the tty1 , appears this message: "The call to openpty() failed , is /dev/pts mounted?"
[12:15] <piponazo> May this message to be related with the gnome-terminal issue ?
[12:20] <KR-data> piponazo, it might be, but I'm far from sure
[12:21] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[12:22] <piponazo> I am so scared without a terminal in my hands :'(
[12:22] <piponazo> xD
[12:23] <Splex> anyone know how linux utilizes multiple cpu cores?  do apps just randomly get run on each core?
[12:23] <cumulus007> They are handled fine
[12:24] <KR-data> piponazo, I hear you, although you could try konsole, the kde-one as an alternative till gnome-terminal works
[12:24] <cumulus007> konsole works fine here on Kubuntu jaunty
[12:25] <KR-data> yup, but it might have a lot of dependencies on Gnome
[12:25] <KR-data> but I would actually say that it helped a lot on all my kde-errors to switch to Jaunty
[12:25] <cumulus007> on KDE, you mean?
[12:26] <KR-data> dependencies on KDE libs when you're on gnome :)
[12:26] <cumulus007> oh
[12:26] <KR-data> sorry for my vague way of saying it :p
[12:27] <piponazo> KR-data i have konsole in my system too and it does not run :(
[12:27] <piponazo> the application runs but the prompt don't respond to the keys pressed
[12:27] <cumulus007> btw, I'm on alpha 4
[12:28] <cumulus007> upgrading atm
[12:28] <piponazo> I'm reading this web, and seems that resolv the problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/cant-start-a-terminal-200544/
[12:28] <KR-data> it is enough just to update packages normally to upgrade, right?
[12:28] <piponazo> I'm goind to check this and come back
[12:29] <piponazo> see you later ;)
[12:29] <KR-data> from alpha 4 to 5
[12:32] <scizzo-> KR-data: yes
[12:32] <KR-data> ok, I was just worried I had overseen something there :)
[12:40] <piponazo> hello again
[12:41] <piponazo> the problem persists :(
[12:41] <KR-data> piponazo, bugger :( I haven't got a clue on what you can do, sorry
[12:42] <piponazo> ok, thanks anyway ;)
[12:43] <scizzo-> piponazo: can you try something for me?
[12:43] <piponazo> tell me about
[12:43] <scizzo-> piponazo: go the the Ctrl+Alt+F1 terminal and move your .bashrc to bashrc.bak
[12:44] <piponazo> ok
[12:44] <scizzo-> piponazo: relogin to X and try to start again
[12:44] <piponazo> ok, I will do this, see you later ;)
[12:44] <scizzo-> piponazo: if that does not help...try to see what happens if you create a completely new account on the machine and login with that account
[12:44] <piponazo> ok
[12:47] <piponazo> scizzo- any of the two stuff resolv my problem
[12:48] <scizzo-> piponazo: ?
[12:48] <scizzo-> piponazo: both worked or didn't work?
[12:48] <piponazo> no
[12:48] <piponazo> sorry for my english xD
[12:48] <scizzo-> GAH!
[12:48] <scizzo-> no to what?
[12:49] <piponazo> when I move the .bashrc the problem persist, and loging with a new user too ...
[12:50] <scizzo-> piponazo: can you see what happens if you run xterm?
[12:50] <piponazo> of course
[12:51] <scizzo-> piponazo: not konsole or any tool like that but xterm in itself
[12:52] <piponazo> it's very strange, I run xterm with the gnome launcher (ALT+F2) and don't occur anything
[12:53] <scizzo-> piponazo: is this with the new user?
[12:53] <piponazo> and if I open a terminal emulator like gnome-terminal or konsole, the program appears but the prompt don't respond to the keys pressed
[12:53] <scizzo-> piponazo: the terminal shows: doda@dodo$ ?
[12:54] <piponazo> no, only the prompt without anything more
[12:57] <Starcraftmazter> Hey guys. Since upgrading, my alt+f2 key combo doesnt seem to work, even though its set in keyboard shortcuts. It works on my laptop though (same latest, etc)
[12:57] <Starcraftmazter> anyone have ideas?
[12:59] <piponazo> Starcraftazter: I had the same problem and changing the desktop effects to "nothing" the keyboard shortcuts work again
[13:00] <Starcraftmazter> ahhh, so it does
[13:00] <Starcraftmazter> unfortunately i cant live without my eye candy :P
[13:01] <Starcraftmazter> oh well, i guess they will fix it up before the final
[13:01] <Starcraftmazter> cheers
[13:36] <Splex> how do i force an app to use only one of my cores on my core2duo cpu?
[13:38] <joaopinto> Splex, I don't think you can do that
[13:38] <Eressolar> Splex: taskset
[13:39] <Splex> Eressolar, thank you :)
[13:40] <joaopinto> ah, it can
[14:19] <UnixDawg_> ok jaunty is turning out nice
[14:20] <UnixDawg_> I have to say I had looked at linux as a rosebush full of thorns for the last few years but it looks like deb hasa come along way
[14:21] <UnixDawg_> jaunty on t his p3 650 with 384 megs of ram and it runs great
[14:21] <Ienorand> What's people's opinions on the new login screen btw?
[14:21] <UnixDawg_> on kde4?
[14:21] <UnixDawg_> its ok
[14:22] <Ienorand> Nah, gnome
[14:22] <UnixDawg_> have not seen it
[14:23] <Ienorand> Myself I think it's way to dark, looks a bit to "trying to be cool" I'd say.
[14:24] <UnixDawg_> I just think kde/gnome/xfce/lsxe/awn need to join and make 1 fully functional super use-able fashion furious desktop
[14:26] <IntuitiveNipple> The developer ego's would never cope :)
[14:26] <Ienorand> Dunno, I feel that all the compromises might ultimately be a bad thing, though I've never tried xfce or KDE so I might be out of my waters :)
[14:27] <UnixDawg_> kde 4.2 is turning out nice . the new direction makes for a new learning curve from 3.5.X
[14:28] <Ienorand> this is the gnome login scren btw: http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/02/jauntys-new-login-screen-and-other.html too ominous!
[14:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not seen that log-in screen
[14:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe I've inherited a custom configuration for it
[14:34] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: btw, do you have package libbrasero-media0 installed? (It's been causing me nothing but trouble.)
[14:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Installed: 2.25.91.1-0ubuntu1
[14:35] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: And no nautilus spamming?
[14:36] <IntuitiveNipple> spamming?
[14:36] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: I guess not then... ( bug 329146 )
[14:40] <VSpike> Has anyone seen problems with workspace switching in gnome with compiz enabled?
[14:40] <IntuitiveNipple> what kind of problems?
[14:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: Can you reproduce the issue using KVM/QEMU or VirtualBox ?
[14:42] <BUGabundo> great, another X crash! bryce I'm coming your way
[14:42] <BUGabundo> bug 335465
[14:43] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: Hmm, I'm testing now to fiddle about with my vmware CD drive settings, seems the iso emulation might have a finger in the game...
[14:44] <IntuitiveNipple> haha!
[14:45] <Ienorand> But there was at least one guy who had the issue on a 'normal computer' though...
[14:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Without system information (particularly the CD drive make/model and interface and driver it is using, it is impossible to make any conclusions
[14:47] <Ienorand> Weird, it appears only if I set iso mounting in the guest vm, not if it's connected to physical drive...
[14:47] <Ienorand> So some conflict with device driver might be a reasonable suspection?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> guys the LP retracer is closing all bug as invalid
[14:48] <BUGabundo> However, processing it in order to get sufficient information for the developers failed (it does not generate an useful symbolic stack trace). This might be caused by some outdated packages which were installed on your systemat the time of the report:
[14:48] <BUGabundo> with this text
[14:48] <IntuitiveNipple> It sounds likely. If you can reproduce it using KVM/QEMU that would be a start. Otherwise it is more likely to be a vmware issue.
[14:48] <BUGabundo> bug 334834 , bug 333530 and few other dups
[14:51]  * Ienorand wonders if kvm/qemu runs nicely inside a vmware machine, since he's stranded in XP world at the moment.
[14:52] <VSpike> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not sure it's because my compiz config has been borked, or because of an underlying problem. But I can't switch workspace except with the expo plugin
[14:54] <VSpike> IntuitiveNipple: clicking the workspace switcher doesn't work... mousewheel on desktop doesn't work. ctrl-alt-left/right doesn't work.  I've enabled the viewport switched plugin in ccsm (which was disabled for some reason) and bound some explicit key combos to viewports
[14:54] <mifritscher> will there be an openvz-kernel for 9.04?
[14:57] <IntuitiveNipple> VSpike: It might be worth creating a new fresh user profile and trying it there after enabling desktop effects. That might help narrow it down to a customisation in your regular user profile.
[14:57] <VSpike> Good idea
[14:58] <VSpike> I guess I should test without compiz too :)
[15:00] <VSpike> IntuitiveNipple: actually, switching to the basic effects profile seems to cure it, so it does looked like a borked config
[15:22] <bazhang> !info handbrake
[16:05] <tgpraveen> hi all]
[16:10] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: hi
[16:26] <maowos> Yesterday, I updated my ubuntu 9.04. Now I cann't view my desktop's toolbar after logged in.  How to do?
[16:27] <maowos> how to xconfig?
[16:29] <mjwitter> can you alt-f2 and type in gnome-panel?
[16:29] <maowos> How to reconfig my display settings to default?
[16:30] <maowos> alt-f2, then I can view console window
[16:30] <maowos> gnome-panel,  I haven't used this command.
[16:30] <mjwitter> it should load the panel
[16:31] <maowos> must I do like so everytime?
[16:32] <maowos> I used displaycard of nvidia-7400go
[16:32] <mjwitter> not sure what to do to fix it permanently, just a temporary fix
[16:33] <maowos> ok. Is it effective?
[16:34] <mjwitter> well, if your panel at the top and bottom of the screen are not there when you login, then that should open them..
[16:35] <maowos> ok, let me have a try.
[16:43] <maoco> I am maowos. I used the command of "gnome-panel", there is no response.
[16:45] <maoco> Yesterday, I updated my ubuntu 9.04. Now I cann't view my desktop's toolbar after logged in.  How to do?
[16:46] <tgpraveen> !bug 292963
[16:49] <mjwitter> maoco: did you upgrade to 9.04 yesterday, or just update 9.04?
[16:49] <maoco> updated 9.04alpha3 to newer.
[16:50] <mjwitter> other than checking to ensure that gnome-panel is installed, im not sure what else to do..
[16:51] <maoco> o
[16:52] <mjwitter> is it installed?
[16:56] <scizzo-> maoco: you upgraded from alpha4 to alpha5?
[16:57] <maoco> I am confused. I have thorough updating yesterday.
[16:58] <scizzo-> maoco: ok....what did you exactly do yesterday?
[16:58] <maoco> I received notice to update, then I clicked ok.
[17:00] <scizzo-> ok right.....now....when that happened.....did you get a question saying to "Partial Upgrade" or anything like that?
[17:00] <maoco> Yes.
[17:01] <maoco> It's about mono directory which I deleted it manually.
[17:01] <scizzo-> and did you do a partial upgrade?
[17:01] <maoco> Yes.
[17:02] <maoco> Now I run command of "apt-get update", It reported a error at the end of line.
[17:03] <scizzo-> maoco: sounds like the upgrade or there is something else wrong during the upgrade itself....not 100% sure though
[17:03] <maoco> How to use apt-get --fix-miss
[17:03] <scizzo-> maoco: apt-get -f install
[17:04] <BUGabundo> DON'T use -f
[17:04] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: why not?
[17:04] <BUGabundo> unless you know what you are doing
[17:04] <maoco> then the missing mono package will be installed?
[17:04] <BUGabundo> or you might end up with a partial install or packages removed
[17:05] <scizzo-> okie dokie
[17:05] <scizzo-> gonna go now....
[17:10] <maoco> thanks.
[17:32] <TheWoozle> Anyone know how to restart the taskbar when it unaccountably disappears?
[17:32] <TheWoozle> (used to be "kicker", but apparently not in k9...)
[17:34] <ripps> kicker? Isn't that kde?
[18:02] <RainCT> Hey
[18:02] <tgpraveen> RainCT: Hey
[18:03] <RainCT> I'd like to try out Jaunty on an USB stick.. Is 1GB enough for that?
[18:04] <TuTUXG> RainCT, if you are just going to run livecd, yes
[18:06] <RainCT> OK. The "create startup disk" option in Intrepid will work fine, or? (Never tried that before)
[18:06] <RainCT> uhm.. it doesn't see my stick
[18:06] <TuTUXG> i thought that will just create a boot disk
[18:07] <TuTUXG> try unetbootin
[18:07] <nemo> I suppose if you wanted to be clever you'd do like on the walkthrough for USB sticks
[18:07] <nemo> 2 partitions
[18:08] <s0u][ight> how come jaunty repos have unstable speed rates?
[18:08] <nemo> one for the booting, one for maintaining state
[18:08] <nemo> 2nd partition ideally using a USB fs
[18:09] <RainCT> nemo: on an 1GB disk?
[18:09] <nemo> ok. 2nd partition would be pretty small.
[18:09] <nemo> only 300 megs or so
[18:15] <DrHalan> can cups show me how much int my printer has?
[18:20] <usser> DrHalan, depends on the driver, its usually not cups's job to do things like that, cups is a driver framework, the ink levels should be specific to a printer and handled by the driver, that being said hp printers often have that feature
[18:29] <usser> whats up with vlc again
[18:29] <usser> why is it showing video in the separate window, i thought this was fixed a long time ago
[18:30] <DrHalan> usser:  i htink you can setup VLC like that in its preferences
[18:30] <DrHalan> but is there an app or so to check that?
[18:31] <usser> DrHalan, yea i know theres a tick mark in preferences "integrate video in player" but that doesnt have any effect, i remember reading about a race condition of some sort in vlc 0.9 series on ubuntu intrepid that froze videos when they were integrated. But they have since fixed that, and now its here again.
[18:32] <DrHalan> try using a different output mode maybe?
[18:32] <DrHalan> but i dont see any sense in using vlc anyways =)
[18:32] <usser> tried all of them same story
[18:32] <DrHalan> strange
[18:32] <DrHalan> you should definilty file a bug
[18:32] <usser> DrHalan, yea im forced to use mplayer, which i dont like precisely because it shows video in the separate window but at least it looks nice doing that :)
[18:33] <usser> i'll look for the old bug from intrepid and try to resubmit
[18:34] <UnixDawg_> what is a good seriel consol program for connecting to seriel ports
[18:34] <UnixDawg_> I need to see output from a seriel terminal
[18:34] <fosco__> unixdawg, minicom
[18:34] <UnixDawg_> is it in pkgs
[18:34] <IntuitiveNipple> screen
[18:35] <tgpraveen> usser: try smplayer. all you are troubles are gone
[18:35] <usser> tgpraveen, thanks i'll give it a shot, is it xine based?
[18:35] <IntuitiveNipple> UnixDawg_: e.g. screen -L /dev/ttyUSB0 115200,cs8,-ixon,-ixon,istrip
[18:37] <UnixDawg_> ok its not a usb
[18:37] <UnixDawg_> its a seriel port 1
[18:37] <UnixDawg_> wich should be ttyS1 right
[18:38] <usser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/314038
[18:38] <fosco__> unixdawg, com1 is ttyS0
[18:38] <usser> eh, no chance of a fix it seems
[18:39] <UnixDawg_> ok why is it not showing up
[18:39] <UnixDawg_> there are no ttyS
[18:39] <UnixDawg_> and its active in the bios
[18:58] <DrHalan> is anybody here already using grub2?
[19:15] <RainCT> rebooting, cya
[19:20] <usser> just updated to grub2, didnt even know they had 2 :)
[19:21] <DrHalan> usser:  is it working?
[19:22] <usser> DrHalan, yea works for me
[19:23]  * RainCT screams "omg the fonts are ugly" and all the (I guess) usual stuff :)
[19:23] <usser> DrHalan, whats the problem you're having?
[19:24] <DrHalan> i want to try it out but dont know if it willl break my system
[19:24] <RainCT> Why are there two notifications for Pidgin?
[19:25] <usser> DrHalan, well it doesnt remove your grub from mbr, so you basically start grub2 from grub, if it works you can later overwrite your mbr
[19:25] <usser> DrHalan, it does delete grub package however
[19:25] <RainCT> *notifications=icons
[19:25] <DrHalan> RainCT: what do yo mean
[19:25] <DrHalan> usser: okay i think ill give it a shot
[19:26] <RainCT> DrHalan: There's the Pidgin icon and the "Notifications" icon (the e-mail) which also lets me open it
[19:26] <DrHalan> oh really it has that? i dont have that here
[19:27] <RainCT> DrHalan: Yeah, and you can move it around on the panel. I can't find it in the "Add to Panel" dialogue, though
[19:28] <DrHalan> when do you get it?
[19:28] <usser> DrHalan, here's what i used to change the splash image http://blogs.koolwal.net/2008/12/16/how-to-grub2-and-grub-pc-installing-splash-images/
[19:28] <RainCT> DrHalan: Ah. It's the "Indicator Applet"
[19:29] <RainCT> Right click on a panel -> "Add to Panel" to get it. I'm trying Beta 5 on an USB stick and it's here by default
[19:30] <DrHalan> yeah now i have it to. But i always have the email thing even if theres no new message that is strange
[19:31] <RainCT> DrHalan: Yeah, I think that's how it's supposed to be
[19:31] <DrHalan> did you see the mokup
[19:32] <RainCT> I guess so. Which one? :P
[19:32] <DrHalan> the idea was not to have notifcations with buttons pop up but a non-distrubing one and a small button in the panel
[19:32] <DrHalan> that one: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/jaunty904_notifications_example1_web_092.swf
[19:32] <RainCT> Yeh
[19:35] <mirak> hi
[19:35] <mirak> are there any packages supporting vdpau in jaunty ?
[21:02] <durt>  hey folks, just gone to www.cpac.ca to watch their online broadcast, upon closing firefox the mplayer plugin continues to run (ps -A -> mplayer), no video, just audio. Any thoughts?
[21:11] <kernco> I'm trying to boot from the Kubuntu jaunty alpha 5 live CD.  I have an embedded VIA graphics chip, and kwin thinks it can support desktop effects, but it can't, so it keeps crashing kdm when trying to start KDE.  Is there a way I can disable desktop effects before it starts KDE?
[21:27] <Volkodav> anybody runs xfce here ? I can not add the sensor plugin since last 2 updates for some reason ?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Volkodav: maybe it just hasn't caught up to the latest xfce updates, yet
[21:34] <Volkodav> maybe
[21:34] <Volkodav> it was working ok
[21:34] <Volkodav> and .....gone
[21:34] <Volkodav> will come back I guess
[21:39] <atiredmachine> Hi, ever since I upgraded to the Jaunty on my Thinkpad T43 laptop to my Compiz cannot be enabled.
[21:40] <atiredmachine> Is this something I just need to wait out, or is it a configuration issue I can address?
[21:45] <DanaG> atiredmachine: fglrx (ATI binary) drivers are not compatible with Jaunty, so your system will have been switched from fglrx to the open-source driver.
[21:46] <DanaG> The open-source driver currently does not have 3D support for R600 series (HD2xxx and HD3xxx, I believe) cards.
[21:46]  * DanaG departs now.
[21:50] <gmiernicki> will the new ATI 9.1 drivers work with jaunty when its released?
[21:50] <gmiernicki> be nice to see them included
[21:51] <usser> gmiernicki, i think they are up to 9.2 now
[21:52] <gmiernicki> i wasnt aware
[21:52] <gmiernicki> it sucks such old proprietary drivers are still being used in intrepid
[21:55] <usser> gmiernicki, yea, 9.2 has really improved a lot, finally i can play openarena on my 64 bit hardy
[22:03] <gmiernicki> cool, ive wanted to try out some new ones
[22:03] <gmiernicki> but ive read bad stories about 8.12
[22:03] <gmiernicki> nice to see they are coming along i guess
[22:03] <bruce89> lies, all lies
[22:03] <virtuald> besides backing up /etc/ and dpkg --get-selections, is there anything else i need to restore intrepid if an upgrade fails?
[22:04] <gmiernicki> where could i go to find out what drivers are included in jaunty? (aside from installing it)
[22:04] <bruce89> there is no list
[22:05] <gmiernicki> so i could assume 8.543 are in jaunty too then?
[22:05] <gmiernicki> or have the devs included something a bit newer
[22:05] <bruce89> things don't tend to be removed
[22:06] <thewrath> is the 8.10 issue with wpa2 enteprise wireless in 9.04 alpha?
[22:07] <gmiernicki> thanks for not solving that question at all bruce89 :)
[22:07] <bruce89> heh, but there is no real way to be sure about these things without reading the whole kernel changelog, which wouldn't be much fun
[22:08] <bruce89> but things that used to work should still work
[22:11] <atiredmachine> So is it just a matter of time before ATI/fglrx drivers are compatible with Jaunty, or the open source driver more fully supports my card?
[22:15]  * bruce89 is pleased to see a lot of opposition to the new notification system
[22:16] <RainCT> heh
[22:17]  * RainCT is only annoyed with the update-manager change
[22:17] <bruce89> I especially don't like that, but dialogues are also evil
[22:18] <bruce89> icons confuse users = get rid of them and just have windows appear is their argument
[22:19] <charlie-tca> yes, and time it so you are working when it starts?
[22:20] <bruce89> you can ignore balloons, but dialogues you can't
[22:21] <charlie-tca> right. It stops my 400MHz cpu when it opens
[22:21] <bruce89> due to u-m being fat
[22:22] <bruce89> the reason they give for not just installing updates automatically is that it may not be good for low capacity network things
[22:22] <charlie-tca> But we can't have an icon either
[22:23] <charlie-tca> One of those "it's better for you this way" things
[22:24] <bruce89> gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[22:24] <bruce89> I'm sure there will be a humiliating climb-down
[22:43] <gmiernicki> ahh
[22:43] <gmiernicki> checked launchpad
[22:43] <gmiernicki> 8.573 in jaunty
[22:43] <gmiernicki> which is 9.1
[22:43] <gmiernicki> :)
[22:44] <ronny> yo
[22:45] <ronny> anyone aware of pae issues with the 64 bit versions
[22:45] <ronny> i got 4gb of ram, but it shows only 3897
[22:45] <DrHalan> ronny, PAE isnt needed wiht 64 bit isnt it?
[22:45] <ronny> im confused cause part of my ram is missing
[22:46] <DrHalan> ronny, that could be a marketing trick
[22:46] <usser> ronny, built in video cart taking a chunk of the ram?
[22:46] <DrHalan> for a lot of vendors 1GB = 1000MB but for your OS 1GB=1024MB
[22:47] <DrHalan> but then it should show 4000...
[22:47] <DrHalan> strange
[22:47] <ronny> DrHalan: wtf? they do that for harddisks
[22:47] <RainCT> Yeah, I have the same here
[22:47] <RainCT> 4GB RAM = 3955 MB
[22:47] <ronny> and i have the full ram in the server 32 bit version
[22:48] <DrHalan> maybe some of the chips broke? to confirmt his one would need a system with more than 4gigs
[22:50] <ronny> DrHalan: unlikely - it works with 32 bit kernels
[22:50] <maxb> Hmm. Is aptitude U supposed to break holds? Can I make it not?
[22:51] <DrHalan> ronny, I have 1gig here on 64bit. And it shows 988,9 MiB so maybe its a general issue i dont know
[22:52] <ronny> weird
[22:52] <ronny> DrHalan: mine where declared in megabytes
[22:53] <bruce89> a few "missing MB isn't the end of the world"
[22:53] <bruce89> with the quote ending at the end of "missin"
[22:54] <ronny> it is
[22:54] <ronny> it makes me sleepless nights
[23:10] <DrHalan> LINUS TORWALDS IS STEAL MY MAGABYTES ;)
[23:12] <SwedeMike> yes, and you should be grateful.
[23:14] <usser> haha
[23:15] <usser> its for a good cause, think of the children etc...
[23:32] <DrHalan> or mark shuttleworth flew to the moon with it? :P
[23:48] <Volkodav> what's up with the latest updates ? it wants to remove xchat deluge etc ?
[23:50] <blueyed> Volkodav: there's been something about python updates on the devel-announce mailinglist..
[23:50] <blueyed> just wait, or add their ppa.
[23:51] <Volkodav> I'll wait
[23:51] <linkinx64> hi!!
[23:51] <linkinx64> how can i test the new notification if i just upgraded from 8.10
[23:51] <linkinx64> ?