[01:37] <kwwii> andreasn: to be honest, I don't think we have to get rid of mist
[01:37] <kwwii> but crux and co can go ;)
[01:37] <andreasn> what ones are currently installed by default?
[01:38] <andreasn> crux, mist, glossy, clearlooks, glider, HighContrast
[01:38] <andreasn> did I miss someone?
[01:39] <kwwii> crux, glider an glossy can go, if you ask me
[01:39]  * _MMA_ says toss 'em all but Human, Clearlooks and HiContrast.
[01:39] <_MMA_> ;)
[01:40] <kwwii> _MMA_: but you are a long-haired metal head
[01:40] <SealV> screw it, just have redmond I say
[01:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: I *know* you've seen the pics with my hair gone. I shaved it almost a year ago. ;)
[01:41] <kwwii> no shit?
[01:41] <kwwii> honestly, I haven't seen them
[01:41]  * kwwii wishes he had hair to shave
[01:42]  * _MMA_ thinks he didn't put 'em on Flickr yet actually. (just new kids ones. http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalmusicaddict
[01:42] <kwwii> andreasn: so, we are honestly looking at taking out those themes and splitting thingssss
[01:43] <kwwii> man, I need to update my pics...it has been like 2 months
[01:43] <andreasn> I wouldn't really mind throwing some of them into -extras
[01:43] <kwwii> well, I know that I cannot change things upsteam
[01:43] <andreasn> I think you can actually
[01:43] <andreasn> thos is just a bit stubborn
[01:44] <kwwii> but maybe if ubuntu sets an example and leads things in advance for once
[01:45] <SealV> why glider?
[01:46] <kwwii> i am in the process of setting up a contest on deviantART as well as having contacted several design schools to fund projects around ubuntu design
[01:46] <andreasn> it does, in some places, like not showing app launchers for stuff like the pdf reader, image viewer and package app
[01:46] <andreasn> but upstream didn't apply those, either because they didn't notice
[01:46] <andreasn> or because noone offered patches
[01:46] <kwwii> SealV: heh? you are a glider fan?
[01:47] <SealV> clean, minimal, looks good with right fonts, yeah I guess so..
[01:47] <andreasn> so we might end up with the same situation with the themes, especially if we don't communicate with eachother
[01:47] <kwwii> andreasn: sure, and to be honest, at this point I am looking to find the most amazing artwork/mockups/etc that I can find
[01:47] <SealV> what about that willibex thing that went around
[01:48] <kwwii> andreasn: definitely
[01:48] <andreasn> I tried to look around a bit in the ubuntu wiki as well, but didn't find much that wasn't just a wallpaper and some other small thing
[01:48] <kwwii> SealV: did you see the wallpaper brief for the release?
[01:48] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah
[01:48] <SealV> wallpaper brief?
[01:49] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/jaunty_wallpaper.pdf
[01:49] <SealV> yup saw that
[01:49] <kwwii> it was posted to the art mailing list a while ago
[01:53] <andreasn> but it would be good to discuss what upstream and downstream want out of the gnome-themes package
[01:53] <andreasn> probably we have similar goals. if it turns out that they differ, it would be a good thing that ubuntu did it's own thing
[01:54] <andreasn> but otherwise we're just going to end up with a massive amount of bugs all over the place
[01:54] <andreasn> maybe the desktop summit would be a good place to discuss it?
[01:58] <andreasn> who is responsible for those menu changes btw? I wonder what the reason for not sending those upstream was. Was it the very stubborn group of people on desktop-devel-list (that never manages to come to real conclusions), or was it a active move to differentiate from the other distros, or just pure laziness?
[01:59] <SealV> oh hey! sorry to go all ADD: http://www.aldolat.it/grafica/jaunty-jackalope-cover-etichetta-poster/
[01:59] <SealV> how awesome is that? he mailed me a link
[02:01] <_MMA_> It's ok. He just stuck together a bunch of pre-existing images. That's not to say it's a bad thing. Just that it's, ok. meh.
[02:02] <SealV> its awesome because he used miffan :P, I would have used a diff font
[02:02] <_MMA_> I also /think/ his reflection is off.
[02:02] <SealV> on the poster
[02:05] <SealV> so the deviantart idea is still around? I remember seeing that on brainstorm
[02:10] <kwwii> andreasn: at this point, I would be happy if they moved them anywhere
[02:10] <kwwii> oops
[02:12] <kwwii> booooaaahhhh, it is 3 am
[02:13] <andreasn> yes, I need to go to bed
[02:13] <andreasn> and you too
[02:13] <kwwii> andreasn: it would be a really good idea for us to tie things together
[02:13] <andreasn> yes, have a good nights sleep now!
[02:14] <kwwii> no doubt, I just got back from london at 1am
[02:14] <kwwii> see you soon
[03:16] <SealV> ideapurge: http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235702538.png
[03:16] <SealV> critique?
[03:17] <_MMA_> "Days to go:" gets a little lost IMO. Maybe fill it in.
[03:22] <SealV> hmm better or worse? :http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1235704915.png
[03:25] <_MMA_> SealV: Little bit. Thing is, if the pencil lines on the smaller font matched the "30" on thickness you would be fine. The weight/strength on the text I think is lacking.
[03:26] <_MMA_> Maybe you could convert the text to path and stroke the test with the same color in order to thicken up the feel?
[03:26] <_MMA_> s/test/text
[03:27] <SealV> good idea,  think i understand what you mean
[03:29] <_MMA_> That's *if* you're doin' think in Inkscape. The page curl looks like a GIMP effect.
[03:32] <_MMA_> s/think/this
[12:35] <kwwii> erm, my email introducing julian_ didn't make it to the list, did it?
[12:35] <_MMA_> Not that I saw.
[12:36] <kwwii> hrm, I will have to resend it
[12:37] <kwwii> I just realized that like half of the emails I wrote yesterday did not make it
[12:38] <_MMA_> Ouch
[12:50] <julian_> kwwii: i'm inhere though :-)
[12:54] <thorwil> hello julian_. i saw your uds video. i'm curious to see how things will change now :)
[12:54] <thorwil> julian_: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-art mailing list?
[13:15] <kwwii> hrm, apparently most of my emails haven't been sent in the last two days :(
[13:16] <_MMA_> Odd
[13:16] <julian_> thorwil, hi - yes - kwwii subscribed me yesterday (right kwwii)?
[13:16] <_MMA_> kwwii: I thought you just didn't love us anymore. :(
[13:16] <kwwii> julian_: yepp
[13:16] <kwwii> _MMA_: I'll always have a special place in my heart for you, baby :)
[13:17] <_MMA_> ;)
[13:17] <julian_> kwwii, just while i'm here, could you take a look at the email i sent regarding the 3 artwork deadlines for rickspencer3?
[13:18] <SiDi> Does anyone mind checking this link : http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x0E5E4ECB and telling me if this key is present on the ubuntu keyserver ? i got port 11371 closed here
[13:18] <kwwii> julian_: yepp, responding now
[13:20] <julian_> kwwii, thanks.
[13:21] <_MMA_> SiDi: Links comes up no prob for me.
[13:21] <julian_> kwwii, also, the 1st release of the best of the best... (sorry)
[13:21] <kwwii> julian_: right, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions about taht
[13:21] <kwwii> that
[13:23] <julian_> go for it
[13:25] <SiDi> Thanks _MMA_ :)
[13:28] <SiDi> Be right back
[13:46] <SiDi> oh noes i have to go to a programming course in 14 mins :(
[15:39] <thorwil> kwwii: so, what's the situation with backgrounds?
[15:46] <kwwii> thorwil: I'm in the process of putting information together on this and other issues atm
[15:46] <thorwil> ok
[15:47] <kwwii> thorwil: I collected a bunch of pics and we went through them...there are good ideas and I'll highlight them, etc
[15:47] <SiDi> Who's made the Human Reprise theme ? can't find his name
[15:48] <kwwii> Sulley Mansford <jws141@yahoo.com>
[15:48] <kwwii> erm
[15:48] <kwwii> that was not nice
[15:48] <kwwii> sorry
[15:48] <SiDi> huh ?
[15:48] <kwwii> I shouldn't have posted the email address like that
[15:49] <SiDi> well, true :)
[15:49] <SiDi> is it the theme's author, though? i won't mail him/her anyways, it's just that i posted a comment on the theme's wiki about a bug with firefox but apparently noone saw it
[15:49] <SiDi> thus i guess i'll just post on the mail list
[15:50] <thorwil> one of the participants in the free culture showcase complained that he saw an increase in spam because of having his email adress on the wiki
[15:51] <SiDi> well, i got my mail address all over launchpad, etc, and i dont receive spam
[15:51] <SiDi> sounds like i dont interest many persons :D
[15:52] <thorwil> my mail provider filters ... and i still have collected 865 mails in my junk folder
[15:53] <SiDi> and i complain about receiving 20 mails per day.. :D
[15:54] <thorwil> ah, finally i get to know who that Cory guy is!
[18:13] <americanportal> Hey guy
[18:13] <americanportal> s
[18:13] <americanportal> oops
[18:14] <americanportal> I need some feedback on the Wallpaper I just uploaded for Jaunty
[18:14] <americanportal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Wallpaper
[18:14] <americanportal> Let me know what you think
[18:44] <americanportal> Anyone get my message?
[19:50] <shadowh511> hey there
[19:51] <userofubuntu> Hi!
[19:53] <shadowh511> hows it going?
[19:53] <userofubuntu> great
[19:54] <userofubuntu> are you a contributer to ubuntu artwork?
[19:54] <shadowh511> yeah,
[19:54] <shadowh511> i just can't upload my submission to the wiki :P
[19:54] <userofubuntu> oh?
[19:55] <shadowh511> this is a n00b question, but how do you upload stuff 2 the wiki?
[19:55] <userofubuntu> well
[19:56] <userofubuntu> I had a bit of problems myself until I caught the hang of it
[19:56] <userofubuntu> what are you going to upload?
[19:57] <userofubuntu> have you created an account?
[19:57] <shadowh511> png image, firefox icon
[19:58] <kwwii> shadowh511: add "attachment:name_of_file" (replacing the name_of_file with the name you want to give the file on the wiki
[19:58] <userofubuntu> well you have to already have the file uploaded onto the wiki
[19:58] <kwwii> when you save it, the page will then show what to do to upload the file
[19:58] <userofubuntu> before you can do that
[19:59] <userofubuntu> Oh take that back then
[20:00] <shadowh511> nope, that didnt work :( u.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:00] <shadowh511> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:00] <kwwii> userofubuntu: no, it should then show you a link in which you can upload the file
[20:01] <userofubuntu> oh ic
[20:01] <kwwii> shadowh511: {{attachment:testtest.png}} for instance
[20:01] <userofubuntu> shadow511: are spaces allowed like that?
[20:01]  * shadowh511 lsaps face
[20:03] <shadowh511> id didn't work
[20:04] <shadowh511> it*
[20:05] <kwwii> erm
[20:05] <kwwii> it hsould be [[attachment:filename.png]]
[20:05] <kwwii> then it will be a link when you save it
[20:05] <kwwii> with the name of the file
[20:05] <shadowh511> i used curly braces :D
[20:06] <userofubuntu> there's your problem
[20:07] <shadowh511> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/New Firefox Icon For Edubuntu
[20:07] <userofubuntu> it says it does not exist yet
[20:07] <userofubuntu> that is the webpage
[20:08] <kwwii> you're not getting all of the text
[20:08] <shadowh511> look in jaunty plz
[20:08] <shadowh511> i forgot how to change page names :D
[20:08] <kwwii> when I look at that page I see that I can click on the firefox.png link to upload the pic
[20:09] <kwwii> what is the problem?
[20:09] <userofubuntu> what is the title of your page?
[20:10] <shadowh511> idk, it wont upload 4 some reason
[20:10] <shadowh511> there, it works now
[20:10] <userofubuntu> oh there just saw it
[20:11] <shadowh511> do you like it?
[20:12] <userofubuntu> its alright yeah
[20:12] <kwwii> lol, don't think you're allowed to do that
[20:12] <userofubuntu> oh yes
[20:13] <kwwii> in fact, I know your not ;)
[20:13] <shadowh511> do what?
[20:13] <kwwii> change the firefox logo in any way
[20:13] <shadowh511> just in the icon theme
[20:13] <userofubuntu> shouldn't it be under edubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[20:13] <shadowh511> i added it to the edubuntu wiki
[20:14] <userofubuntu> k
[20:18] <shadowh511> kwwii:is it aginst the rules to change the firefox icon for edubuntu?
[20:19] <shadowh511> kwwii: is it aginst the rules to change the firefox icon for edubuntu?
[20:26] <swalko_> thorwill: hi
[20:27] <swalko_> thorwil: hi
[20:42] <thorwil> hi swalko_
[20:44] <swalko_> thorwil: now i am trying to do calculator icon
[20:44] <swalko_> thorwil: as base i used calc from oxygen and modified it
[21:12] <thorwil> giid night!
[21:12] <thorwil> good, even