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| LaserJock | anybody here for Edubuntu? | 17:07 |
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| sbalneav | Boo | 17:31 |
| LaserJock | #startmeeting | 17:33 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:33. The chair is LaserJock. | 17:33 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | just in case we need to remember something | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | ok, so let's do status report real quick | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm gonna try to send out a "State of the Release" email today with more detail | 17:33 |
| LaserJock | * yesterday mvo got the changes for Add/Remove that we wanted for the app bundle spec | 17:34 |
| LaserJock | this means that our "app bundles" will always sort at the top of the list in Add/Remove | 17:34 |
| LaserJock | we also have inital metapackages for the bundles done | 17:35 |
| LaserJock | you can bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.jaunty/ to get the seeds | 17:35 |
| LaserJock | the files should be fairly self-explanitory | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | I've also done some tweaking of the desktop seeds | 17:36 |
| LaserJock | so we have desktop-gome (for edubuntu-desktop) and desktop-kde (for edubuntu-desktop-kde) | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | sortly I'll transiton those to dep on the app bundles | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | *shortly | 17:37 |
| LaserJock | so edubuntu-desktop, for instance, will be app bundles + misc gnome'ish tools | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | and edubuntu-desktop-kde will be app bundles + mis kde'ish tools | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | so the app bundles (preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary) become the core | 17:38 |
| LaserJock | make sense? | 17:39 |
| highvoltage | yep | 17:39 |
| sbalneav | Yes | 17:39 |
| highvoltage | getting it via bzr now to get more familiar with them fwiw | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | what we need to do is finalize the app bundles | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | I just took a quick stab on figuring out what package would be appropriate | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not a "real" educator so I'd like feedback there | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | next thing is the Universe app bundles | 17:41 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: are those lists up on a wiki page somewhere? | 17:41 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: nope | 17:41 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: RichEd had a spreadsheet with a bunch of apps cateogrized by level | 17:41 |
| LaserJock | it's attached to the app bundle spec | 17:42 |
| LaserJock | *but* it's outdated, I think it's based on Hardy | 17:42 |
| highvoltage | hmm, it would be nice to have it on the wiki for educators to see. I don't think we can expect them to bzr it out for feedback | 17:42 |
| LaserJock | for the Main ones that's not a problem, we know what's in there | 17:42 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I'm looking at it now, don't you think ktuberling can also go into preschool? | 17:42 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I sent the info to the mailing list | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: nobody responded | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | I can try a wiki page to see if that'll help | 17:43 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: sorry, I must have missed it through everything. I can put it up on the wiki too? | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | the bigger issue is the Universe app bundles | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: go for it | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | I need 1) a good naming scheme and 2) a list of Universe apps we think are important for educators | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | for 1) I've been really thrashing around with this but haven't really fell in love with anything | 17:44 |
| highvoltage | os that ship-addon? | 17:44 |
| highvoltage | oh, it's not | 17:45 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hmm? | 17:45 |
| LaserJock | ship-addon is what goes on the Ubuntu Education Cd | 17:45 |
| LaserJock | so far the biggest support has been for ubuntu-edu-*-extras | 17:45 |
| LaserJock | to be consistent with the Main app bundles (which are ubuntu-edu-*) and to show that we consider these useful extras but not our core apps | 17:46 |
| LaserJock | one thing I wanted to be sure of is to make it future-proof regarding the Archive Reogranization | 17:47 |
| highvoltage | future-proof in terms of naming I assume? | 17:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 17:47 |
| highvoltage | that's a toughie | 17:48 |
| LaserJock | well, if the universe/main split goes away | 17:48 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing we'll want to have a core and extras set of packages still | 17:49 |
| highvoltage | ok, so the difference between those 'universe' apps and the ones that are currently shipped is that the universe ones won't be shipped | 17:49 |
| LaserJock | and won't be "fully supported by Canonical and the Edubuntu community" | 17:50 |
| highvoltage | so how about something like edubuntu-nonshipped-primary or something that implies that it's not shipped on the disc? | 17:50 |
| highvoltage | that's a lot to try and imply in the length of a package name :) | 17:50 |
| highvoltage | (but I understand the need for it) | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | well, we do have package descriptions | 17:50 |
| highvoltage | right | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | I liked either ubuntu-edu-*-extras | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | or edubuntu-* | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | edubuntu-* get's us into trouble because there's confusion as to what is edubuntu and what is ubuntu-edu | 17:52 |
| LaserJock | btw, we've removed debian-edu from Jaunty | 17:52 |
| LaserJock | so we won't have the "education" namespace clutter | 17:52 |
| highvoltage | ok | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | so what are your opinions? | 17:54 |
| highvoltage | about edubuntu and ubuntu-edu confusion... | 17:54 |
| highvoltage | I'm confused | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 17:55 |
| highvoltage | how does edubuntu-* cause trouble? is it supposed to be ubuntu-edu-*? | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | the app bundles in main are called ubuntu-edu-* | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | but they're the core of what we'd call Edubuntu | 17:55 |
| highvoltage | ah, that must be new in jaunty then | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | if we then add in packages that are called edubuntu-*, but are the community-supported "extras" it's confusing | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | yes, it is | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | quite honestly I think the way that it's all branded is really terribly confusing | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | I know, but we've tried to minimze that | 17:57 |
| LaserJock | Canonical wants "Ubuntu Education" so that's what we're doing | 17:57 |
| LaserJock | the only way to make it less confusing is to ditch "Edubuntu" altogether, which would have pretty consquences, IMO | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | *pretty big | 17:58 |
| highvoltage | yep | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | so does ubuntu-edu-*-extras sound OK? | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | do you think it's misleading at all? | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | should we just ditch the concept altogether and find a different way to get educators to Universe software? | 18:00 |
| highvoltage | it's probably as good as you'll get it | 18:00 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: it's probably a good start. if someone doesn't like it or they want to make suggestions they should be encouraged to file bugs | 18:01 |
| highvoltage | that way it will at least improve from release to release | 18:01 |
| LaserJock | right | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | I just don't want to create a set of package that we then rename/remove in a release or two | 18:02 |
| highvoltage | hmm | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | a big problem for us already is how constantly we're changing | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | users have no idea what "Edubuntu" is | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | heck , we don't even know what it is :-) | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | I guess that's why we want RichEd here too | 18:05 |
| LaserJock | for the rest of Jaunty | 18:06 |
| LaserJock | we have bugs | 18:06 |
| LaserJock | we need to fix them :-) | 18:06 |
| sbalneav | Workin' on Sabayon now. | 18:06 |
| sbalneav | Could we classify the top 10 bugs we'd like to fix? So I can have a target? | 18:07 |
| LaserJock | I was wanting to do an Edubuntu Hug Day | 18:08 |
| LaserJock | which would would do something like that | 18:08 |
| LaserJock | have target bugs rather than just "heah, fix these 200+ bugs" | 18:08 |
| LaserJock | thanks to moquist we have moodle 1.9.4 in Jaunty | 18:08 |
| highvoltage | \o/ | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | it still needs some work but it fixes 24 CVEs, 20 Debian bugs, and 7 Ubuntu bugs | 18:09 |
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| LaserJock | huge improvement | 18:09 |
| sbalneav | I took the day off to work on some bugs, but I'd be up for another bug day | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | we can work today | 18:09 |
| LaserJock | and then at the end of today get a list for the next bug day that I'll announce the heck out of | 18:10 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: sound OK? | 18:10 |
| LaserJock | ok, before we go morgs sent me a Sugar Team status update: | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | * All the platform components have been updated to the Sugar | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | FeatureFreeze versions before the Jaunty Feature Freeze. However, they | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | are now out of date. The Sugar final 0.84.0 release is on Tuesday 3 | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | March and I'll submit bug reports to upload that then. I've logged | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | bugs for an intermediate release, but I have a problem building the | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | main sugar component successfully - a problem installing the gconf | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | schemas. | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | * The abiword libabiword bug is still open - I haven't had time to | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | address the latest criticism on my patch. | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | * The remaining components which are really out of date are | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | activities, on which nothing else depends. I'll file bug reports | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | asking for FFEs to get them uploaded once the platform is up to date. | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | sorry for the paste spam there | 18:14 |
| sbalneav | OK | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | so they still need to get libabiword worked out | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | ok, well, any other issues? | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | like I said before, I'll be sending out an email with more detail on what things need to get done before release | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | as you guys now, I'm about out of *buntu-time for Jaunty so I'll be pointing out what items I'll take care of | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | and the rest will have to depend on people stepping up a little to make sure things get done | 18:17 |
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| LaserJock | going once .. | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | going twice .. | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | ok, we're done | 18:20 |
| LaserJock | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:20. | 18:20 |
| LaserJock | back over the wall to #edubuntu | 18:20 |
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