=== dantalizing is now known as busdriver === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === busdrive1 is now known as dantalizing === boffire is now known as ButterflyOfFire === BoFFire is now known as ButterflyOfFire === mikrox is now known as mikro === asac is now known as asac_drinking_co === asac_drinking_co is now known as asac [17:07] anybody here for Edubuntu? === plars_ is now known as plars [17:31] Boo [17:33] #startmeeting [17:33] Meeting started at 11:33. The chair is LaserJock. [17:33] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:33] just in case we need to remember something [17:33] ok, so let's do status report real quick [17:33] I'm gonna try to send out a "State of the Release" email today with more detail [17:34] * yesterday mvo got the changes for Add/Remove that we wanted for the app bundle spec [17:34] this means that our "app bundles" will always sort at the top of the list in Add/Remove [17:35] we also have inital metapackages for the bundles done [17:35] you can bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.jaunty/ to get the seeds [17:36] the files should be fairly self-explanitory [17:36] I've also done some tweaking of the desktop seeds [17:37] so we have desktop-gome (for edubuntu-desktop) and desktop-kde (for edubuntu-desktop-kde) [17:37] sortly I'll transiton those to dep on the app bundles [17:37] *shortly [17:38] so edubuntu-desktop, for instance, will be app bundles + misc gnome'ish tools [17:38] and edubuntu-desktop-kde will be app bundles + mis kde'ish tools [17:38] so the app bundles (preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary) become the core [17:39] make sense? [17:39] yep [17:39] Yes [17:40] getting it via bzr now to get more familiar with them fwiw [17:40] what we need to do is finalize the app bundles [17:40] I just took a quick stab on figuring out what package would be appropriate [17:40] but I'm not a "real" educator so I'd like feedback there [17:41] next thing is the Universe app bundles [17:41] LaserJock: are those lists up on a wiki page somewhere? [17:41] highvoltage: nope [17:41] highvoltage: RichEd had a spreadsheet with a bunch of apps cateogrized by level [17:42] it's attached to the app bundle spec [17:42] *but* it's outdated, I think it's based on Hardy [17:42] hmm, it would be nice to have it on the wiki for educators to see. I don't think we can expect them to bzr it out for feedback [17:42] for the Main ones that's not a problem, we know what's in there [17:42] LaserJock: I'm looking at it now, don't you think ktuberling can also go into preschool? [17:43] highvoltage: I sent the info to the mailing list [17:43] highvoltage: nobody responded [17:43] I can try a wiki page to see if that'll help [17:43] LaserJock: sorry, I must have missed it through everything. I can put it up on the wiki too? [17:43] the bigger issue is the Universe app bundles [17:44] highvoltage: go for it [17:44] I need 1) a good naming scheme and 2) a list of Universe apps we think are important for educators [17:44] for 1) I've been really thrashing around with this but haven't really fell in love with anything [17:44] os that ship-addon? [17:45] oh, it's not [17:45] highvoltage: hmm? [17:45] ship-addon is what goes on the Ubuntu Education Cd [17:45] so far the biggest support has been for ubuntu-edu-*-extras [17:46] to be consistent with the Main app bundles (which are ubuntu-edu-*) and to show that we consider these useful extras but not our core apps [17:47] one thing I wanted to be sure of is to make it future-proof regarding the Archive Reogranization [17:47] future-proof in terms of naming I assume? [17:47] yeah [17:48] that's a toughie [17:48] well, if the universe/main split goes away [17:49] I'm guessing we'll want to have a core and extras set of packages still [17:49] ok, so the difference between those 'universe' apps and the ones that are currently shipped is that the universe ones won't be shipped [17:50] and won't be "fully supported by Canonical and the Edubuntu community" [17:50] so how about something like edubuntu-nonshipped-primary or something that implies that it's not shipped on the disc? [17:50] that's a lot to try and imply in the length of a package name :) [17:50] (but I understand the need for it) [17:50] well, we do have package descriptions [17:50] right [17:51] I liked either ubuntu-edu-*-extras [17:51] or edubuntu-* [17:52] edubuntu-* get's us into trouble because there's confusion as to what is edubuntu and what is ubuntu-edu [17:52] btw, we've removed debian-edu from Jaunty [17:52] so we won't have the "education" namespace clutter [17:54] ok [17:54] so what are your opinions? [17:54] about edubuntu and ubuntu-edu confusion... [17:55] I'm confused [17:55] :-) [17:55] how does edubuntu-* cause trouble? is it supposed to be ubuntu-edu-*? [17:55] the app bundles in main are called ubuntu-edu-* [17:55] but they're the core of what we'd call Edubuntu [17:56] ah, that must be new in jaunty then [17:56] if we then add in packages that are called edubuntu-*, but are the community-supported "extras" it's confusing [17:56] yes, it is [17:56] quite honestly I think the way that it's all branded is really terribly confusing [17:57] I know, but we've tried to minimze that [17:57] Canonical wants "Ubuntu Education" so that's what we're doing [17:58] the only way to make it less confusing is to ditch "Edubuntu" altogether, which would have pretty consquences, IMO [17:58] *pretty big [17:58] yep [17:59] so does ubuntu-edu-*-extras sound OK? [17:59] do you think it's misleading at all? [18:00] should we just ditch the concept altogether and find a different way to get educators to Universe software? [18:00] it's probably as good as you'll get it [18:01] LaserJock: it's probably a good start. if someone doesn't like it or they want to make suggestions they should be encouraged to file bugs [18:01] that way it will at least improve from release to release [18:02] right [18:02] I just don't want to create a set of package that we then rename/remove in a release or two [18:03] hmm [18:03] a big problem for us already is how constantly we're changing [18:03] users have no idea what "Edubuntu" is [18:04] heck , we don't even know what it is :-) [18:05] I guess that's why we want RichEd here too [18:06] for the rest of Jaunty [18:06] we have bugs [18:06] we need to fix them :-) [18:06] Workin' on Sabayon now. [18:07] Could we classify the top 10 bugs we'd like to fix? So I can have a target? [18:08] I was wanting to do an Edubuntu Hug Day [18:08] which would would do something like that [18:08] have target bugs rather than just "heah, fix these 200+ bugs" [18:08] thanks to moquist we have moodle 1.9.4 in Jaunty [18:09] \o/ [18:09] it still needs some work but it fixes 24 CVEs, 20 Debian bugs, and 7 Ubuntu bugs === smarter_ is now known as smarter [18:09] huge improvement [18:09] I took the day off to work on some bugs, but I'd be up for another bug day [18:09] we can work today [18:10] and then at the end of today get a list for the next bug day that I'll announce the heck out of [18:10] sbalneav: sound OK? [18:14] ok, before we go morgs sent me a Sugar Team status update: [18:14] * All the platform components have been updated to the Sugar [18:14] FeatureFreeze versions before the Jaunty Feature Freeze. However, they [18:14] are now out of date. The Sugar final 0.84.0 release is on Tuesday 3 [18:14] March and I'll submit bug reports to upload that then. I've logged [18:14] bugs for an intermediate release, but I have a problem building the [18:14] main sugar component successfully - a problem installing the gconf [18:14] schemas. [18:14] * The abiword libabiword bug is still open - I haven't had time to [18:14] address the latest criticism on my patch. [18:14] * The remaining components which are really out of date are [18:14] activities, on which nothing else depends. I'll file bug reports [18:14] asking for FFEs to get them uploaded once the platform is up to date. [18:14] sorry for the paste spam there [18:14] OK [18:15] so they still need to get libabiword worked out [18:16] ok, well, any other issues? [18:17] like I said before, I'll be sending out an email with more detail on what things need to get done before release [18:17] as you guys now, I'm about out of *buntu-time for Jaunty so I'll be pointing out what items I'll take care of [18:17] and the rest will have to depend on people stepping up a little to make sure things get done === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [18:19] going once .. [18:19] going twice .. [18:20] ok, we're done [18:20] #endmeeting [18:20] Meeting finished at 12:20. [18:20] back over the wall to #edubuntu === beuno_ is now known as beuno === fader is now known as fader|lunch === fader|lunch is now known as fader === Andre_gondim_ is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === asac_ is now known as asac