[00:27] <kenny__> How do I install bugzilla under ubuntu(8.10)? I have installed bugzilla3 with all dependencies (including mysql and apache2), hope I set the right db_user and db_pass in localconfig, but there is no http://localhost/bugzilla site.
[00:27] <kenny__> How do I tell the apache server to display the bugzilla pages under http://localhost/bugzilla?
[01:53] <roy_hobbs> How much does installing openafs-fileserver do for me in terms of getting AFS up and running?
[02:08] <Cyntek> im trying to upload photos,music,documents, and movies files onto a 300gb ext3 filesystem hard drive. Now i have created directories ie: /photos, /documents,....so forth. why is that when i transfer files to there parent directories they end up being in the other directories that were created?
[03:39] <baz_> hey, I am trying to re-install ubuntu on a machine that had a software RAID (ubuntu too). When do I re-assemble the RAID? Before install, during install or after install?
[03:50] <twb> baz_: IIRC it will recognize the existing md array during installation.
[04:13] <baz_> twb, thanks i'll try it out... you're the only one who gave a suggestion in 6 channels :)
[04:14] <twb> "try it and see" is usually a good first attempt.
[04:16] <baz_> twb, to be honest i am re-installing the desktop and i tried with livecd and even re-assembled using mdadm, but i wasn't sure if it was recognizing it or not... now u gave me confidence the alternate cd wwill work...
[04:16] <Cyntek> okay, i reformatted the second hard drive, i want to make it a file sharing for Windows machine, now I also would like to create directorys for individual file purposes, such as music to /music ...documents to /documents. get this working without each directory being a copy of one another.
[04:24] <twb> Oops, he should know that the live CD doesn't support software RAID.
[04:25] <twb> Cyntek: what I do is just make a filesystem and mount it on /srv, so that there is e.g. /srv/music and /srv/video
[04:25] <Cyntek> lol.
[04:26] <twb> Cyntek: if you want top-level directories (which I don't recommend, because it's messy), is either to create symlinks (sudo ln -s srv/video /) or to use -o bind to remount /srv/video also on /video.
[04:26] <twb> You probably don't want bind mounts.
[04:33] <Cyntek> twb, do you understand my problem?
[05:22] <VK7HSE-1> :)
[07:52] <llragsll> need to configure ubuntu gateway with one physical interface for two logical subnets
[07:52] <llragsll> I knkow tht this can be done using virtual if
[07:52] <llragsll> but how to route packets from one interface to other?
[07:54] <llragsll> anyone
[07:54] <llragsll> ??
[08:03] <cemc> llragsll: you have to enable ip forwarding on the box
[08:04] <cemc> try this:
[08:04] <cemc> sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward
[08:05] <cemc> if it's 0 (zero), forwarding is not enabled
[08:06] <llragsll> oh...k
[08:07] <llragsll> let me explain
[08:07] <llragsll> this box has an ipsec tunnel to some other  n/w's so i knoe tht fowarding is enabled
[08:07] <cemc> i see
[08:08] <llragsll> there are two n/w's .2 and .4
[08:08] <llragsll> the .4 n/w is the LAn
[08:08] <llragsll> while I have the .2 n/w for the modem and the gateway only
[08:08] <llragsll> i hope you follow me..
[08:09] <cemc> could you just copy-paste the ifconfig output?
[08:09] <llragsll> ok..jus a sec
[08:11] <mib_guvg4wqr> http://www.mibbit.com/url/99KWRT
[08:11] <cemc> not found
[08:12] <llragsll> grrrr
[08:12] <llragsll> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/LsBSAD
[08:12] <cemc> ok, I got it
[08:13] <llragsll> great...
[08:13] <cemc> go on
[08:13] <llragsll> the routes have been set too
[08:13] <cemc> (maybe copy-paste?)
[08:13] <llragsll> eth0:1 is the virtual interfac
[08:14] <llragsll> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/GVVqGe ..yes this is route
[08:15] <llragsll> the machines on .32 n/w can't access .24 resources
[08:16] <cemc> the machines on .32 need to know where .24 is
[08:16] <llragsll> .24 only consists of the my modem, consequently I can't access internet
[08:16] <cemc> they need to have 32.207 as gateway,
[08:16] <cemc> or you need to route network .24 on every machine to .24
[08:16] <llragsll> but sine ubuntu is the gateway
[08:16] <llragsll> yes
[08:16] <cemc> to .24.207 i mean
[08:16] <llragsll> .207 is the gatewway
[08:16] <llragsll> .32.207
[08:17] <cemc> and for .24 machines .24.207 is ?
[08:17] <llragsll> .24 only consis of my modem to the internaet
[08:17] <cemc> because they need to know too where .32 is
[08:17] <llragsll> .24 is only from the modem to the gateway
[08:18] <llragsll> hmm...
[08:18] <cemc> hm indeed :)
[08:18] <cemc> what resources are we talking about then ? :)
[08:18] <cemc> on .24
[08:18] <llragsll> internet through the modem
[08:18] <llragsll> .24.1 is the default gatway/modem/WAA
[08:19] <llragsll> its like <.32>------<ubuntu gateway>-----<.24.1 modem>------<internet>
[08:20] <llragsll> the gateway has one physical interface..eth0...so i put a virtual interface eth0:1 on .24 n/w
[08:21] <llragsll> shouldn't the gatway route .24 packets to eth:0:1 interface?
[08:22] <cemc> the route output is from the ubuntu gateway ?
[08:22] <llragsll> yes
[08:23] <cemc> shouldn't the default gateway (last line) be 192.168.24.1 ?
[08:23] <cemc> instead of 32.1
[08:23] <llragsll> well it is...or rather it was..I have reset the n/w now...
[08:23] <llragsll> everything is flat now
[08:24] <cemc> the ubuntu box's gateway should be 24.1
[08:24] <llragsll> yes...got it..
[08:24] <cemc> and all the machines gw in .32 should be 32.207 (the ubuntu box)
[08:24] <llragsll> are the routes correct?
[08:25] <cemc> well, there are no routes really, those are just the directly ocnnected stuff, because you have the IP addreses on eth0
[08:25] <cemc> you do need one other thing tho
[08:26] <cemc> the 24.1 router should know about .32 too
[08:26] <llragsll> hmm...but how
[08:26] <llragsll> and Y?
[08:26] <llragsll> it will be getting the packets only from ubuntu
[08:26] <cemc> suppose you ping www.yahoo.com from .32.5
[08:27] <cemc> the packet goes to 32.207 (ubuntu),
[08:27] <llragsll> k...
[08:27] <cemc> then it goes to .24.1,
[08:27] <cemc> then it goes out to yahoo, comes back (that if NAT is set up on the router :) ),
[08:27] <cemc> then 24.1 should send it back to the ubuntu box,
[08:27] <cemc> but it doesn't know that
[08:27] <cemc> if you don't tell it
[08:28] <llragsll> yes...NAT is setup..
[08:28] <llragsll> oh...k..understood..
[08:28] <cemc> there's one other thing
[08:28] <llragsll> now..how to accomplish tht?
[08:28] <cemc> well
[08:29] <cemc> you have to configure the router, if it's smart enough :)
[08:29] <llragsll> I hope it is...
[08:29] <llragsll> wht should I configure?
[08:29] <cemc> do you have ping from say .32.x to 24.1 ?
[08:30] <llragsll> I din try tht....I just open some sites to check
[08:30] <llragsll> but I can ping from the gateway
[08:31] <cemc> first try a ping from .32.x to 24.1
[08:31] <llragsll> ok..
[08:31] <llragsll> wht setticgs do I need to do on the router?
[08:32] <cemc> no idea, depends on the router... you have to add a static route, 192.168.32.0/24 -> 32.207
[08:32] <cemc> ummm
[08:32] <cemc> 192.168.32.0/24 -> 24.207
[08:33] <cemc> but how do you do that, it's up to you to find out :)
[08:33] <llragsll> ok...yes..I remeber seeing something like ttht
[08:33] <llragsll> yes tht's kool
[08:33] <llragsll> thx pal
[08:33] <cemc> btw,
[08:33] <cemc> .32 and .24 are on the same physical network, nright?
[08:34] <llragsll> yes...same n/w
[08:34] <cemc> why you need the ubuntu box ?
[08:34] <llragsll> we need it for squid and ipsec tunnel.
[08:35] <llragsll> I am segregating the iptraffic from LAN traffic
[08:35] <llragsll> all traffic on the .24 n/w will be WAN while .32 will be LAN
[08:37] <llragsll> The gateway is setup properly right. Is there anything on the gateway to be done??
[08:37] <cemc> then you definitely want 2 NICs in that ubuntu boxc
[08:37] <cemc> one connected to .32 and one to .24
[08:37] <llragsll> yes...tht's wht I told my manager.
[08:37] <cemc> what's one more NIC, like $1 ? :)
[08:38] <llragsll> :(...but we have to make do with wht we have
[08:38] <cemc> I would buy it myself ;)
[08:38] <llragsll> haha....
[08:38] <cemc> that's not really separation if they're on the same n/w
[08:38] <cemc> I mean if I were you
[08:38] <cemc> I would get one
[08:38] <llragsll> ok..I'll run tht through my manager..
[08:39] <llragsll> but this virtual interfaces...where are they useful then?
[08:39] <cemc> because nothing would stop one from setting a .24 ip on one of the .32 machines
[08:39] <cemc> and going directly through the router
[08:40] <llragsll> hmm...yes..
[08:41] <llragsll> thx a grand dude...
[08:41] <cemc> so what you want is to really force the .32 machines to go through the ubuntu gateway
[08:41] <cemc> if you want to set up proxy, firewall and stuff
[08:42] <llragsll> yes...tht is the intent
[08:42] <cemc> you can do it with 1 NIC too, with VLANs, if your switch supports it
[08:42] <cemc> but that's a bit more complicated
[08:43] <_ruben> damn .. was just about to mention that :)
[08:43] <_ruben> the vlan thing ;)
[08:43] <cemc> ;)
[08:43] <_ruben> then again, if an extra nic is a problem, i doubt there's a switch in place that'd support vlans
[08:43] <cemc> yep :) that's what i was gonna say
[08:43] <llragsll> VLAN's..i'll have to look into tht
[08:43] <_ruben> stranger things have happened in the world though :)
[08:44] <cemc> llragsll: you want to look at your switch if it's with management (I mean ip address on it, interface to configure it, etc), and if it has VLAN support
[08:44] <cemc> but that's really not an ubuntu-server kinda topic ;)
[08:45] <llragsll> lemme chek if it has VLAN...
[08:45] <llragsll> but does this move evrything on the router?
[08:45] <cemc> and first you want to read up on all that so you know what you're doing ;)
[08:45] <cemc> move = ?
[08:45] <llragsll> i'll learn as I go...:P
[08:46] <llragsll> Gatway..
[08:46] <llragsll> gateway
[08:47] <cemc> [10:45:29] <llragsll> but does this move evrything on the router? <- don't understand this question
[08:48] <llragsll> I meant doe this mean I won't be able to use the ubuntu server as a gateway
[08:48] <llragsll> since with a VLAN the n/w's will be configured at the router.
[08:48] <cemc> nope, it means you will be able to use the ubuntu as gateway as intended, with one NIC
[08:49] <cemc> but it really would be easier to get another NIC :)
[08:49] <cemc> trust me
[08:49] <llragsll> bad news is my router doesn't seem to have vlan support..but I can put in routes. :)
[08:49] <llragsll> yes...sure..I will get another NIC..for now this is just an intellectual pursuit...:)
[08:50] <cemc> the router doesn't need VLAN support
[08:50] <cemc> only your switch in which you have the ubuntu and machines connected
[08:51] <cemc> and of course ubuntu
[08:52] <llragsll> ok...haha..I know you are going to flip now...the modem is th switch/router everything
[08:53] <llragsll> all m/c's are physically connected to .32.1
[08:54] <cemc> nice ;)
[08:54] <cemc> and what kind of router is it ?
[08:54] <cemc> name, model, something ?
[08:56] <llragsll> UTStar com
[08:56] <llragsll> its modem/router/switch
[08:58] <llragsll> got stuff to read then...thx for the help
[08:58] <llragsll> cheers
[08:58]  * llragsll leaves
[08:58] <cemc> have fun :)
[08:59] <cemc> funny that it had like 1% to do with ubuntu ;)
[09:37] <dayo> how do i upgrade a single package on the server, i.e. squid?
[09:41] <_ruben> dayo: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install quid
[09:41] <_ruben> s/quid/squid/
[09:41] <_ruben> (install performs an upgrade when already installed)
[09:42] <dayo> _ruben: ok, trying that now.
[09:49] <PecisDarbs> hi people, where I can get information about when OpenLDAP record was created?
[09:50] <kraut> moin
[09:51] <dayo> _ruben: well, it says i already have the latest squid installed. thanks anyway :-)
[09:51] <dayo> kraut: moin moin
[10:37] <dennda> rkhunter reports several files like useradd have been changed recently. I did an update yesterday. Does rkhunter not take into account changes due to updates?
[10:38] <ivoks> no
[10:38] <ivoks> you have to update its database
[10:39] <dennda> how?
[10:39] <dennda> i tried rkhunter --update but that didn't show any updates
[10:40] <ivoks> that will update its database
[10:40] <dennda> well, it didn't :-)
[10:40] <ivoks> how do you know?
[10:40] <dennda> it said "no updates" and in the check i'm currently running it's still complaining about those files
[10:41] <ivoks> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/34625
[10:41] <ivoks> you did run it as root?
[10:43] <dennda> yes
[10:44] <dennda> --check-version reports there is an update available though... 1.3.0 -> 1.3.4
[10:44] <ivoks> that's irrelevant
[10:45] <dennda> ivoks: ok, understood; but I still didn't get how to update its database, since --update gives me "no updates found"
[10:46] <dennda> i do have wget, of course
[10:48] <ivoks> right... --update is something else
[10:49] <ivoks> --propupd is the right swtich
[10:49] <dennda> oh
[10:49] <dennda> overlooked that
[10:49] <dennda> silly switchname though
[10:50] <dennda> so lemme do a check again
[10:54] <dennda> ivoks: great that solved it. thanks
[10:54] <dennda> ivoks: you don't happen to know by heart how to tell rkhunter that it's normal that some functionality just doesn't exist? (like QM_MODULES for the kernel or such. it's always complaining)
[10:55] <ivoks> i never used it
[10:56] <dennda> ok
[10:56] <dennda> thanks
[11:00] <incorrect> is it possible to use dpkg-reconfigure package and supply it will the answers to the questions?
[11:23] <nomoa> hi, why is this in error : echo $((08%4)) ??
[11:27] <nomoa> hmm, leading 0 indicates base 8
[11:32] <salsa> hello. I cannot reboot the VM (ubuntu-server 8.04) on Xen (3.0.3) either shut it down using standard methods from console. Could you please comment.
[11:33] <salsa> opercod@rocserv:~$ sudo reboot -n
[11:33] <salsa> The system is going down for reboot NOW!
[11:34] <salsa> that's all what I get
[12:12] <_ruben> incorrect: use debconf-set-selections
[12:13] <incorrect> thanks!
[14:24] <Cyntek> is it possible to install an NTFS drive with data on it, and mount it on ubuntu-server ?
[14:26] <cemc> Cyntek: should be easy enough
[14:26] <_ruben> readonly is trivial .. read/write is still a bit tricky
[14:27] <Cyntek> ntfs-3g is default installed with ubuntu-server, right.
[14:27] <yann2> sure? ntfs-3g has been considered production ready for a while
[14:28] <Cyntek> so it should detect the ntfs drive with data already installed.
[14:29] <Cyntek> when i do sudo fdisk -l  i do see the drive, sdc1
[14:29] <Cyntek> but it says its using the OnTrackDM6 under the System section ?
[14:30] <Cyntek>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[14:30] <Cyntek> /dev/sdc1               1        1023     8217243   54  OnTrackDM6
[14:41] <dsmith-work> Cyntek: It should be safe enough to try and mount it read-only.
[14:42] <Cyntek> dsmith-work, k. but i just installed ntfs-config and it needs gtk+ gui, how do i remove it?
[14:45] <dsmith-work> How do you remove a package? "aptitude remove|purge" or whatever you like.
[14:46] <dsmith-work> s/remove|purge/{remove,purge}/
[14:46] <Cyntek> i did sudo apt-get uninstall ntfs-config
[14:47] <Cyntek> did not work
[14:47] <dsmith-work> I think aptitude is a little smarter then apt-get about also removing dependencies.
[14:48] <dsmith-work> Cyntek: apt-get --help
[14:48] <Cyntek> i did it, sudo aptitude remove ntfs-config
[14:49] <Cyntek> and it gave me the following packages will be removed:
[14:50] <Cyntek> its removing it, now back to my issue.
[14:52] <Cyntek> dsmith-work, here is what fdisk shows: http://rafb.net/p/TSFBAs96.html
[14:54] <dsmith-work> So try something like     mount -r -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 {somemoutpoint}
[14:54] <dsmith-work> and see if it complains
[14:55] <dsmith-work> Cyntek: The -r is read-only
[15:00] <Cyntek> k, i will try.
[15:02] <Cyntek> dsmith-work, it complained: http://rafb.net/p/t9GZHP84.html
[15:03] <dsmith-work> Ok.  Then you can't mount it.
[15:03] <lorenzosu> Hi all. Anyone have experience about doing replicated installs of ubuntu desktop?
[15:06] <Cyntek> dsmith-work, can i change the Filesystem to some other than ntfs to ext3 without loosing any data?
[15:06] <_ruben> nope
[15:06] <Cyntek> shux.
[15:08] <oCean_> Cyntek: you might find something useful here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=721937
[15:08] <dsmith-work> Cyntek: googling for    turned up this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385218&page=3
[15:08] <Cyntek> i will take a look at it.
[15:28] <Cyntek> okay so how do i get into the bootloader and the option:  sdc1=remap63
[15:33] <Cyntek> dsmith-work, oCean_ how do i get into the bootloader to add the option?
[15:37] <oCean_> Cyntek: I'm not sure if you see grub menu during startup, since you're on server, but I thinkg hitting 'esc' will get you in bootloader. I think it's option "e" to edit commandline arguments.
[15:38] <Cyntek> im able to get into the grub.menulist
[15:38] <Cyntek> http://rafb.net/p/UFVHQZ68.html
[15:38] <Cyntek> where do i this option:  sdc1=remap63
[15:40] <oCean_> Cyntek: search in menu.lst for line starting #kopt
[15:41] <oCean_> hm.. line is not there? Seems to be a bit diff from my (current) install, which is not server version.
[15:42] <oCean_> anyway, during boot you'll have to option to add cmdline arg.
[15:43] <Cyntek> it boots straigt into login.
[15:44] <oCean_> yeah, I think you have to press ESC immediately after startup, before it starts loading the kernel
[15:45] <Cyntek> i held it down right before i did the reboot, nothing.
[15:53] <Gargoyle> hello, everyone!
[15:54] <Cyntek> oCean_, i got it.
[15:54] <Cyntek> what part do i edit to add: sdc1=remap63
[15:54] <oCean_> Cyntek: aha. Hope it also solves the actual mount problem?
[15:55] <oCean_> err.. I'm not sure... you are in the bootloader atm?
[15:55] <oCean_> there should be some options like 'e' to edit and 'a' to append I thinkg
[15:55] <oCean_> *think
[16:03] <axisys> how do net install an x2100 (sun hardware) ?
[16:11] <JanC> axisys: there is a page about net installs on the wiki, or is something special about the x2100 ?
[16:16] <axisys> JanC: i want to use PXE
[16:17] <JanC> axisys: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations ?
[16:18] <axisys> JanC: tnx
[16:20] <nealmcb> is there a convenient way to convert the x11 clipboard from unicode text to a reasonable ascii version?  E.g. to copy/paste from a web page with smart quotes to an ascii-only terminal session or editor?
[16:20]  * nealmcb figures server-folks will know more about this than #ubuntu folks....
[16:21]  * nealmcb should have put "smart quotes" in quotes....
[16:24] <sbeattie> nealmcb: xclip?
[16:32] <nealmcb> sbeattie: thanks - I'll look at it
[17:00] <JanC> hm, did anybody else have problems with filesystems on a linux software raid not being mounted during boot after an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty?
[17:25] <nicetry> I'm trying to figure out which groups have which privlages, so I know which ones to join to new users I create. How do I go about finding out information about groups?
[17:44] <JanC> nicetry: did you try searching the docs/wiki?
[17:48] <nicetry> JanC: I did, I was having trouble finding the documentation for the default groups in ubuntu-server and what they were for, thats why I came here.
[17:48] <JanC> I'm not sure they are documented in one place, but you're right they should be  ツ
[17:51] <nicetry> JanC: Right on, I wonder who should be informed about that.
[17:52] <JanC> maybe the documentation team?
[17:53] <nicetry> indeed
[17:54] <JanC> in the users & groups GUI some of them have a nice description, that might be a good starting point
[18:21] <axisys> how do I define a different interface eth0:1 instead of default eth0 for dhcp daemon ?
[18:46] <Vog-work> Bug:245532
[18:47] <Vog-work> Has anyone found a work around for Bug 245532
[18:48] <giovani> although not ubuntu-specific, I was wondering if there's an accepted technique for finding the "path of dependency" for a package -- to find out why it's installed
[19:29] <axisys> i am getting " tftp: client does not accept options" while trying to net install a linux box
[19:29] <axisys> i followed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#Basic: Hands-On Interactive Network Server Edition Install
[19:56] <dsmith-work> giovani: Hmm. I don't know.  I guess you can look at the intersection of installed packages and packages that depend on a certain package.  That won't tell you what package pulled it in though.  I think aptitude keeps track of that information somewhere though.
[19:56] <Ethos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=986689&highlight=mssql
[19:57] <Ethos> anyone played with that before?
[19:57] <Ethos> will the first post work...
[20:00] <poshvin> Did any one install Dlink DWA 520 (wifi) card on UBUNTU 8.04( Hurdy ...)
[20:04] <giovani> dsmith-work: yeah, I was worried it might be that manual of a process -- I've got an ubuntu jaunty alpha 5 server install, and was wondering why x11-common was installed
[20:06] <dsmith-work> giovani: Well, aptitude seems to know, so there may be a way of convincing it to tell.
[20:07] <giovani> dsmith-work: indeed there is "aptitude why PACKAGENAME"
[20:08] <giovani> although it doesn't do the entire chain
[20:08] <giovani> just one level up
[20:09] <giovani> x11-common is depended on by xauth ... but, xauth is not depended on by anything I have, just recommended by openssh-server, and I don't think I'd need xauth when there's no X :)
[20:09] <giovani> odd indeed
[20:13] <JanC> giovani: recommends are treated as dependencies by default?
[20:14] <giovani> JanC: I was not aware of that ... thanks for the info -- mystery solved :0
[20:14] <giovani> :)*
[20:14] <ScottK> Reccommends are installed by default, not treated as recommends.
[20:15] <ScottK> openssh-server recommending xauth seems overkill to me.
[20:15] <giovani> is there a switch somewhere for apt-get to disable that behavior
[20:15] <giovani> ?
[20:15] <JanC> ScottK: yeah, that's what I mean
[20:16] <ScottK> There is.  I don't recall the exact syntax.
[20:16] <giovani> it's --no-install-recommends it appears -- too bad there isn't a shorter version
[20:17] <Ethos> can install php5-dev mess up a current php install?
[20:17] <JanC> giovani: there is a way to put it in an apt config file too
[20:18] <drbobb> hello, i'm still having trouble with one of my servers, grub is refusing to boot from the hdd
[20:18] <giovani> JanC: indeed APT::Install-Recommends "0" ;
[20:18] <giovani>  does it
[20:18] <giovani> whoops
[20:19] <drbobb> the machine has a single hdd that is identified as /dev/sda
[20:20] <drbobb> but under an old red hat it was seen as /dev/hde
[20:22] <drbobb> until now i have managed to boot via a grub floppy
[20:23] <drbobb> but when i try booting from hdd grub seems unable to locate stage1.5
[20:23] <giovani> yeah, you'll need to edit /boot/grub/device.map I think
[20:23] <drbobb> nope
[20:23] <giovani> and set hd0 to the correct device
[20:23] <JanC> and then install grub again
[20:24] <drbobb> hd0 is /dev/sda
[20:24] <drbobb> there is no other hard drive on the system
[20:24] <giovani> then grub probably needs to be reinstalled, yea
[20:24] <drbobb> i already did that
[20:24] <drbobb> but nothing changed
[20:25] <giovani> how did you reinstall grub?
[20:25] <drbobb> grub-install hdo
[20:25] <giovani> uh
[20:25] <giovani> it needs to be grub-install /dev/sda
[20:25] <dsmith-work> giovani: Cool. good to know about aptitude
[20:26] <drbobb> but device.map says
[20:26] <drbobb> (hdo) /dev/sda
[20:26] <giovani> first of all, it's not supposed to be hdo
[20:26] <giovani> it's supposed to be hd0
[20:26] <giovani> (zero verus oh)
[20:26] <drbobb> hd0
[20:27] <giovani> second of all ... grub-install is reinstalling grub ... it's not reading device.map
[20:27] <giovani> only grub reads device.map
[20:27] <drbobb> did i write h-d-oh?
[20:27] <drbobb> sorry
[20:27] <giovani> yes, twice
[20:27] <drbobb> my bad
[20:27] <giovani> but, you need to install grub with grub-install /dev/sda
[20:27] <drbobb> at the command line i didn't
[20:27] <giovani> I assure you, you do not use hdX for grub-install
[20:27] <drbobb> man grub-install thinks otherwise
[20:28] <giovani> you're not booted inside of the OS
[20:28] <giovani> you're booted off recovery media
[20:28] <giovani> which doesn't have the device.map
[20:28] <giovani> please run grub-install /dev/sda
[20:28] <drbobb> wrong assumption
[20:29] <drbobb> i was inside the os
[20:29] <drbobb> but i'll try it anyway, although as per the docs it should make no difference
[20:30] <drbobb> actually what i did was, i made a grub boot floppy
[20:31] <drbobb> loaded the grub from there, and booted linux from the grub command line
[20:33] <giovani> if it really doesn't work after that, maybe #grub can help
[20:35] <drbobb> btw grub was originally installed on the hdd by the ubuntu-server installer
[20:35] <drbobb> and i really wonder why didn't it work
[20:36] <drbobb> with a single hard drive on  the system, it's hard to see what could go wrong
[20:36] <giovani> sounds like either something was done incorrectly manually, or possibly the drive is corrupt
[20:37] <giovani> you did say it had old redhat on it at one point, right? how old is the drive?
[20:37] <drbobb> hmmm it's 200GB and SATA, so it can't be all that old
[20:39] <simonp> there's no ubuntu kernel with vserver support, right?
[20:40] <drbobb> model # is ST3200822AS in case that tells you anything
[20:41] <MatBoy> does anyone know a good postfix/dovecot + mysql howto ? I can't get this working 100% under ubuntu
[20:41] <giovani> simonp: an official one? not that I know of -- but there's a debian/ubuntu repository with a vserver kernel
[20:42] <drbobb> the controller is identified as SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (by lshw)
[20:42] <giovani> drbobb: ask in #grub ... it's unlikely it's a corrupted drive if it's that new
[20:42] <cemc> drbobb: did you try reinstalling grub from the grub cli ?
[20:43] <giovani> MatBoy: might be best asked in #postfix or #dovecot, no?
[20:43] <cemc> grub> root (hd0,x)
[20:43] <giovani> depending on how you're doing auth
[20:43] <cemc> grub> setup (hd0)
[20:43] <cemc> where hd0,x is the root partition-1
[20:44] <drbobb> uh i believe you mean /boot partition rather than root partition
[20:44] <giovani> MatBoy: but google's first hit was http://johnny.chadda.se/2007/04/15/mail-server-howto-postfix-and-dovecot-with-mysql-and-tlsssl-postgrey-and-dspam/ -- that might be helpful
[20:44] <cemc> drbobb: umm... if you have /boot separat, then yeah
[20:44] <MatBoy> giovani: I used that one... doesn't work quite well
[20:44] <drbobb> yes i do, the rest of the drive is under LVM
[20:44] <cemc> but who needs that nowadays? :)
[20:44] <cemc> I see
[20:44] <giovani> MatBoy: well, following something line-for-line is rarely going to work
[20:45] <giovani> MatBoy: if you have specific problems, I'd ask where it's most relevant -- in #postfix or #dovecot
[20:45] <drbobb> ok will try that
[20:45] <giovani> cemc: umm, everyone?
[20:45] <cemc> drbobb: try running 'grub', and installing it from there
[20:45] <MatBoy> giovani: no, I mean... there are some issues with that setup that I have seen also with other docs and tut using the same kind of way
[20:46] <giovani> MatBoy: ok ... but once again ... don't you think #postfix and #dovecot are most relevant to this?
[20:47] <drbobb> btw seems not a bad machine altogether, though i was surprised that a 2.8GHz Xeon can lack 64bit mode
[20:47] <MatBoy> giovani: yep... but not very helpfuill at the moment.. most of the time ubuntu users make good docs and tuts to ripp stuff out :)
[20:47] <cemc> MatBoy: what's error message? :)
[20:47] <cemc> what's the* error message rather
[20:47] <giovani> MatBoy: well ... I think you're not going to get what you want here, so, good luck
[20:48] <MatBoy> giovani: it's always good to try :)
[20:48] <giovani> better to try in the right place
[20:48] <MatBoy> the ubuntu community is very creative !
[20:48] <MatBoy> yes, I'm there, worked last night on it with the guys
[20:48] <giovani> just looking at the official documentation
[20:49] <giovani> it's pretty straightforward
[20:49] <giovani> I recommend you look at it
[20:50] <cemc> MatBoy: still don't see the problem described ;)
[20:50] <MatBoy> yep.. but last night taht was kinda difficult :P
[20:50] <cemc> which part doesn't work ?
[20:50] <giovani> cemc: because he doesn't appear to have a specific problem ... he wants something to hold his hand
[20:50] <MatBoy> cemc: nah, it does not do what it supposed to when I install it normally... but I'm busy on it.. making some prgress :D
[20:50] <MatBoy> giovani: what kind of weird thing is that ?
[20:51] <MatBoy> giovani: did you had a bad day where you needed that hand yourself ?
[20:51] <MatBoy> man... relax !
[20:51] <giovani> I can't even follow what you're saying now
[20:51] <MatBoy> giovani: indeed... that is your issue :)
[20:52] <MatBoy> cemc: following a lot of docs, some stuff needs to be configured in several ways... but none work... and paths are most of teh time different too.. so I was looking for some reference !
[20:52]  * giovani goes back to the wonderful world of grammatically correct sentences
[20:52] <cemc> MatBoy: ok. which part doesn't work exactly? and what's your setup ?
[20:52] <cemc> do you have some errors in the log ?
[20:52] <cemc> anything useful?
[20:52]  * MatBoy goes back to the real ubuntu world... don't nitpcik.. just help ;)
[20:53] <cemc> hard to help without a real exact problem description
[20:53] <cemc> khm..
[20:53] <MatBoy> cemc: I didn't mean you :)
[20:53] <MatBoy> cemc: I'm busy with some mods.. will let you know where I end up
[20:53] <drbobb> hey while i'm here lemme ask a silly one
[20:53] <cemc> MatBoy: ok
[20:54] <drbobb> years ago i was using debian and spent some time dicking around with compiling the kernel with many different options
[20:55] <drbobb> and one thing i discovered was that if i compiled in the framebuffer console, i could choose a console font that looked just like the one on sun sparc machines
[20:56] <drbobb> is it still possible to do that?
[20:56] <giovani> sure
[20:57] <drbobb> can i have that on ubuntu without a kernel recompile?
[20:59] <giovani> drbobb: I don't think that framebuffer support is built into the ubuntu server kernel; it is into the desktop kernel
[21:00] <drbobb> and btw what is the kosher way to configure text console resolution & fonts on ubuntu?
[21:00] <giovani> just passing kernel fb commands afaik
[21:00] <giovani> although on the desktop install, you'd need to modify the usplash settings probably
[21:01] <drbobb> CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m
[21:01] <drbobb> found by grepping the config-2.6.24-23-server
[21:03] <drbobb> but it seems the more fancy fonts were left out..
[21:03] <drbobb> (# CONFIG_FONTS is not set)
[21:04] <MatBoy> cemc: for sure is that my pipe between postfix and dovecot does not work ok for delivering
[21:04] <simonp> what happened to u32.net?
[21:05] <giovani> simonp: what was/is it?
[21:06] <simonp> vserver repositories ; )
[21:06] <giovani> ah, mystr be out of date
[21:06] <giovani> must*
[21:06] <ScottK> mathiaz: Some of the django stuff you promised in the blog FTBFS, so unless it's fixed, it won't actually be included.
[22:17] <axisys> do I setup the server to install security updates automatically or should I setup apticron to get email alerts?
[22:17] <axisys> whats the popular path people take?
[22:18] <axisys> i guess i can revisit this question even after the server installation completes? if yes, how ?
[22:41] <axisys> i just inserted a second disk .. do I need to reboot to see the seocnd disk?
[22:42] <axisys> I am getting this http://pastebin.com/f42c0d114
[23:02] <giovani> axisys: what do you mean "second disk"?
[23:03] <giovani> and nobody in the right mind (imo) uses automatic updates on a server
[23:04] <MrSillypants> Agreed about automatic updates
[23:05] <giovani> s/the/their/
[23:10] <JanC> giovani: unless you have your own repository with tested packages and a whole bunch of identical servers maybe
[23:11] <giovani> JanC: I think that explanation is out of the scope of what axisys was asking :)
[23:11] <giovani> but yes, that'd be an entirely different situation
[23:51] <drbobb> ok so i figured out how to load the fbcon on top of the framebuffer driver for my card, how to set a resolution and how to load a font with consolechars
[23:53] <drbobb> unfortunately there seems to be nothing similar to the sparc console font that can be used in this fashion
[23:53] <drbobb> it needs to be compiled in, probably by setting config FONT_SUN12x22 in the kernel
[23:58] <Brucey> how can i view the date of a backup file?
[23:58] <Brucey> or when was the file created
[23:58] <milligan_> I have a perl process dominating my cpu usage, but it's being executed by www-data. How can I figure out what file is being run?. Checking ps auxw, I find the process like this: www-data 17373 99.5  0.4   4696  2444 ?        R    Feb19 11872:44 /usr/sbin/apache/log <- That file doesn't exist though. Is this some kind of bug, or do I have a user trying to mess with the system ?