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kenny__How do I install bugzilla under ubuntu(8.10)? I have installed bugzilla3 with all dependencies (including mysql and apache2), hope I set the right db_user and db_pass in localconfig, but there is no http://localhost/bugzilla site.00:28
kenny__ How do I tell the apache server to display the bugzilla pages under http://localhost/bugzilla?00:28
kereshow do you change the defualt text editor?00:31
DaGr8GatzbyEDITOR=editor00:31
DaGr8Gatzbyecho $EDITOR00:31
DaGr8Gatzbyhmm00:32
DaGr8Gatzbylooks like the alpha 5 directory was just created00:33
charlie-tcaYes, we are trying to release tonight, still00:36
rockowhat is the programming languages that the it calc use ?01:19
rockoit calculators01:19
charlie-tcaAlpha 5 released, please read the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha501:48
cmrnIf I am planning to install an ubuntu flavour on my eeePC 1000H using Wubi, should I use ubuntu, or xubuntu (or even kubuntu)03:12
cody-somervilleXubuntu would do well03:13
cmrnIve read that the DE is faster, so perhaps better for the eee03:13
cmrnare there any real disadvangates to xubuntu?03:14
charlie-tcaperhaps harder to connect to windows shares that ubuntu03:18
charlie-tcas/that/than03:18
cmrnIm going to be dual booting XP as well, so that isn't too bad....03:20
charlie-tcaIt's the only one I can think of03:20
cmrnthanks for your help03:24
charlie-tcanp; come back if you need more help03:24
cmrnlast time I use ubuntu or a variant Breezy in beta.....03:24
cmrn:_p03:24
cmrn:-P03:24
cmrns/in/was in/03:25
charlie-tcaI started with the one before Breezy03:25
cmrnHoary?03:25
charlie-tcaUpgraded when Breezy came out and haven't stopped03:25
cmrnyea, I used that, and upgraded to the first beta of breezy03:25
charlie-tcaYeah, Hoary. Didn't know the name back then. Just know the number03:25
charlie-tca5.04, right03:26
charlie-tcaStill have the cd03:26
cmrnI went from linux -> mac just as Dapper Drake was coming out03:26
charlie-tcaNothing wrong with mac03:26
cmrnnope03:27
cmrnnothing wrong with linux either03:27
diginuxthere is something wrong with mac03:27
diginuxno sloppy focus :)03:27
cmrnsomething badly wrong with windows though03:27
charlie-tcaagreed.03:27
diginuxeven windows has sloppy focus, kind of03:27
diginuxbut not poor ol' mac ;)03:27
land!weather AD, UAE04:03
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about weather AD, UAE04:03
landoh i'm sorry04:03
ZeRo_FeniXIn windows you have your task manager, how can I get to something similar to that in xubuntu to terminate a program?04:16
DaGr8Gatzbyis there a jaunty xubuntu release for PS3?04:17
DaGr8Gatzbydiginux: that'04:17
DaGr8Gatzbydiginux: that's one thing I miss about X11: no sloppy focus :(04:17
diginuxDaGr8Gatzby: i wouldnt be able to work without sloppy focus04:18
s1amsonZeRo_FeniX, try alt+F2 and type xkill04:18
s1amsonthen click on the prog. you want to die\04:18
s1amsonright click to opt out of killing something04:19
ZeRo_FeniXwonderful worked like a charm04:19
ZeRo_FeniXFirefox keeps spazzing out on me with flash player.04:19
ZeRo_FeniXBut now I can't re-open firefox because it says that it is still open :x04:20
DaGr8Gatzbykillall -99 mozilla-firefox04:20
s1amsonzenrox,04:20
s1amsonever figure out what the hell keeps buggin out?04:21
s1amsonor, killall firefox04:21
* s1amson works on my box04:21
ZeRo_FeniXkillall firefox did it.04:22
ZeRo_FeniXthank you much04:22
zoredacheZeRo_FeniX: run gnome-system-monitor for a task manager04:26
ZeRo_FeniXalright04:26
G-BleezyHey i got a question...04:58
G-BleezyI connect to the internet through my wireless wlan0 interface...but how do i mount my windows computer connect through ethernet eth0 interface?04:59
zoredache!ics05:00
ubottuIf you want to share the internet connection of your ubuntu machine with other machines in the network see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing - You may also use !firestarter: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php05:00
ZeRo_FeniXwhy do my panels keep disappearing every time I shut down? It's kinda frustrating going back and turning them on every time I boot up.05:02
G-Bleezyi don't really wanna share my internet connection...i get internet through my neighbor's wireless and i want to share files with my computer through ehternet...if i connect to MY wireless node, everything is already setup and /mtn/xpdrv/c/ shows up and stuff...but how do i get that without connecting to it as my internet connection?05:02
ZeRo_FeniXAny ideas on keeping my panals from disappearing?05:07
G-Bleezymake sure you check 'save session' when you shut down next time05:08
zoredacheG-Bleezy: the ics docs describe many of the steps you will need to do.  You need to do pretty much everything except the actually sharing05:09
G-Bleezyoh ok05:09
zoredachereally though, you are probably making things too complicated...05:09
G-Bleezyhmm05:18
G-Bleezysee if i switch to my wireless lan then my windows box shows up as 192.168.1.3....but when im connected to my neighbor's wireless and hardwired in to my lan, 192.168.1.3 is different...05:19
zoredacheyou are not going to be able to have the same subnet (192.168.1.0/24) on both interfaces...05:23
G-Bleezyya that is fine...so how do i know what it is for both?05:24
plaziain gnome nautilus allows me to mount my ntfs drive by clicking on it's icon (957 Gb) media or what not. I want to know the script/command nautilus executes so I can do it in XFCE? Can anyone help me with that?05:43
diginuxplazia: will thunar do it?05:45
plaziadiginux, don't think so05:45
plaziait shows my removable usb drives automounted05:45
plaziabut not the internal ide/sata ones.05:45
diginux http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21700905:46
diginuxntfs-3g may be in normal repos now05:47
plaziadiginux, thanks I'll take a look at the link05:48
zoredache!ntfs05:51
ubottuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE05:51
plaziathanks also zoredache05:53
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ZeRo_FeniX_how do I start xfce from a command prompt?07:25
zoredache_ZeRo_FeniX_: try startxfce407:43
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_Pete_!vnc09:56
ubottuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX09:56
cmrnSo I have installed xubuntu on my eeePC, but I have a problem. THe resolution of the eee is 1024x600. some windows are taller than the 600px, so I cant hit the buttons at the bottom of any wireless network setup windows for example10:37
cmrnand I cant resize the window smaller10:37
cmrnargh10:37
vinnlcmrn, you can drag the window by holding Alt and clicking on it10:38
vinnlOr press Alt+F10 to maximise the window10:38
cmrnany way to make the whole UI smaller?10:40
cmrnso I dont have to do that all the time?10:40
vinnlWell, you can resize it, I suppose... Which app is it?10:41
victoriahi10:41
cmrnNetwork COnnections window for example10:41
vinnl!hi10:41
ubottuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!10:41
victoriathank you10:42
cmrnahh its letting me resize it now10:42
vinnlCool :)10:42
vinnl(I didn't think that one was too large)10:42
cmrnfrom the bottom corners work10:42
cmrntop corners not so much10:42
vinnlGood10:42
victoriaim using ubuntu and i would like to know what would be better to try xfce.. to install xubuntu-desktop on terminal.. or to install xfce using synaptic?10:42
vinnlOdd, but I suppose the bottom corners is enough...10:42
cmrnthat alt key sure is handy10:42
vinnlcmrn, hell yeah it is :)10:42
vinnlvictoria, Synaptic or apt-get (on the terminal) doesn't really matter... The question is what would be better, Xfce or Xubuntu10:43
vinnlI'd say Xubuntu10:43
victoriawhy vinnl?10:43
victoriabut the problem is that i like vanilla xfce and seems that xubuntu is different i dont know10:44
victoriahow can i have vanilla xfce by default?10:44
victoriasession i mean..10:44
victoriai will not delete gnome.. i just want vanilla xfce as a second option10:44
vinnlXubuntu includes all of Xfce (otherwise you'd have to manually select packages) and integrates it nicely with the rest, providing sane settings and apps you might need10:44
cmrnvinnl: an exapmle of a too big window would be the window when editing a wireless connection10:44
vinnlAlso, you can remove Xubuntu if you don't like it using http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome10:45
victoriavinnl: does xubuntu has the vanilla xfce option?10:45
vinnlcmrn, I only get a height of 577px for that window10:46
vinnlOh yeah, I see, you only have 600px10:46
vinnlvictoria, well, why would you want that?10:46
vinnl(You can, but it's quite some work to single out the correct packages)10:46
victoriavinnl: i like the looking10:47
vinnlvictoria, ah10:47
vinnlYou can just change Xfce's preferences to quit your liking10:47
vinnlIt's really easy to remove the top panel and to set the bottom panel larger and not cover the full width, I suppose that's about all you'd want to do10:47
vinnlThere's no way to do that automatically yet though10:48
victoriait seems the easier way is to install the10:51
victoriameta package10:51
victoriahttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xfce410:51
victoria:(10:51
victoriathat sound hard lol10:51
vinnlWell, it's just changing some settings.... It's really not that difficult10:52
vinnlWait, I wrote a blog post on reordering panels, I believe10:52
victoriaok10:53
victoriavinnl if i install the xubuntu-desktop10:53
vinnlHere, you'll only need the first part of the Panels section: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/10:53
vinnlvictoria, yes?10:53
victoriai will lost gnome?10:53
vinnlNope, Xubuntu will be installed in addition to GNOME and you can choose which one you want to use in the login window10:54
vinnlBtw, you _could_ also download a LiveCD of Xubuntu and see what it looks like that way :)10:54
vinnl(Or a LiveCD of another Xfce-based distribution)10:54
victoriayeah10:56
victoriahonestly does it feel a lot of difference in speed10:56
victoriacomparing to gnome?10:56
vinnlWell, I haven't really used GNOME intensively for a while, and I've slowed my Xfce down quite a lot... Furthermore, this would also depend on your computer. If it's really fast, then using GNOME or Xfce wono't matter that much speed-wise10:57
knomevictoria, come difference.10:58
victoriai see10:59
victoriawhy you had slowed your xfce?10:59
victoriahow?10:59
victoriahaha10:59
vinnlUsing a heavy theme, installing Compiz, and installing a lot of cruft in general ;-)11:00
victoriahaha11:01
victoriai read that the faster and good looking at the same time is11:01
victoriae17 but its not stable11:01
victoriaso i dont want to mess with that:)11:01
vinnlWell, good-looking is, of course, a matter of taste...11:02
victoriayes11:04
victoriawell i have osx leopard so i dont have problems with good looking:)11:05
victoriaactually i play with linux just to learn11:05
victoriabut of course i want it be good looking as well :)11:05
vinnl^.^11:08
knomehi vinnl.11:09
vinnlHey knome  :)11:09
knomei see you partly-retired from xubuntu blogging11:09
vinnlknome, yeah, life is kicking in, but I haven't officially quit :)11:10
knomeyeah.11:10
vinnlAnd I see Xfce 4.6 has been released (yeah I'm late), so I might need to force myself to do some blogging11:10
knomeyou could change the logo on your blog if you want.11:10
vinnlAnd I would've done if I had managed to run Jaunty from my USB drive, but I haven't...11:10
vinnlTo what?11:10
knometo the current xubuntu logo11:11
vinnlHas it changed?11:11
knomeyep.11:11
vinnlTo what? :)11:11
knomehttp://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/logo/11:11
knomebasically the same11:11
knomebut a better looking one11:11
knomecompare your to the xubuntu.org one :)11:12
vinnlAh :) (and of course, better-looking is a matter of taste :P)11:12
knomesure.11:12
vinnlAh true11:12
knomewhat do you think? :)11:12
vinnlI suppose I'll change it :)11:12
knome\o/11:12
vinnlOh, 4.6 was only released this morning :). I suppose I'll write a blog post on that then11:17
knome:)11:18
Go|2Thi there11:58
vinnl!hi11:58
ubottuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!11:58
Go|2Thi vinni11:59
xiqhello, how can i download xgl package?11:59
Go|2TI need help setting permissions on an external hard drive11:59
vinnlxiq, the XGL project was discontinued by Novell, IIRC12:00
vinnlGo|2T, to what?12:00
Go|2Tsetting permissions on an external hard drive12:01
vinnlYeah, but to what do you want to set the permissions?12:01
Go|2Tso I can read and write to the hard drive12:01
vinnlI take it you can only read now? Even when you're browsing as root?12:02
Go|2Tno, I can`t even see the files12:02
xiqoh no12:02
xiqhow can i use compiz fusion then12:02
Go|2Tall I see is the lost+found folder12:03
vinnlxiq, that depends on your graphics card... There's only a few cards that really need XGL, I believe12:03
vinnlxiq, there's an app called Compiz-Check that can check whether you can run Compiz12:03
vinnlGo|2T, hmm, that's odd...12:03
Go|2Tif I go to the permissions tab it shows owner 50012:05
xiqvinnl: thank you :D12:15
vinnlyw :)12:15
Go|2Tthis is the drive ... /dev/sdc12:21
Go|2Thmmm12:27
SiDihmmm to you too12:29
Go|2Thi Sidi12:31
SiDihi hi :P12:32
Go|2TI need help to set permissions on an external hard drive12:33
viddis there a universal setting for font size?12:36
SiDividd: its 18px by default on the web, if i remember well12:38
SiDi11points by default on most printed documents, too12:39
Go|2TI need help to set permissions on an external hard drive, can someone help please12:40
viddGo|2T, what have you done so far?12:41
Go|2Tthe drive is mounted12:42
viddwhat is it mounted as?12:42
Go|2Tall I see is a folder called lost+found12:42
viddwhat command did you use to mount the drive?12:43
viddor did you "just plug it in"?12:43
Go|2TI mounted it with the  icon on the desktop12:44
viddok...so you "just plugged it in" and clicked an icon on the desktop?12:44
Go|2Tyes12:44
viddok....12:45
viddopen a terminal12:45
Go|2Tok12:45
vidd***dangerous command...use with caution****  open thunar with root permissions with "sudo thunar"12:45
Go|2Tok got that12:46
viddnavigate to that drive12:46
Go|2Tok12:46
vidddo you see it in thunar?12:46
Go|2Tyes12:46
vidddo you see more then just the lost&found?12:47
Go|2Tlet me look12:47
Go|2Tyes I do12:47
viddok....12:47
viddlet me look up some stuf....12:48
Go|2Tok, thank you12:48
viddclose this thunar as you dont want a "god rights" app just sitting open waiting for an error =]12:48
Go|2Tok12:49
viddcan you pastebin your /etc/fstab for me?12:51
vidd!paste12:51
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)12:51
Go|2TI`ll try12:51
Go|2Twhat is the correct command for that12:53
viddfirst, you want to open it in a text editor, then copy/paste it to pastebin12:54
vidd"sudo mousepad /etc/fstab" should do nicely12:54
viddthen select all, copy, paste12:54
vinnlI'd say just "mousepad /etc/fstab" as well12:54
viddvinnl, if we need to edit it we need root permissions12:55
vinnlOh I thought he just needed to paste it :)12:56
viddi havent seen it yet =]12:56
Go|2Tdid it show up12:58
viddonce you post it, you need to copy the url from the address bar and paste it here12:58
Go|2Thttp://paste.ubuntu.com/123781/12:59
viddyou can close the fstab.....13:01
Go|2Tok, closed it13:01
viddwhen you plugged this drive in....13:01
Go|2Tyes13:01
vidddid the icon show up?13:01
Go|2TI`m not sure if it did13:02
viddlets unplug it13:02
Go|2Tok13:02
vidddoes the icon go away?13:02
Go|2Thang on13:02
Go|2Tyes the icon went away13:04
viddok....where did this external drive come from?13:04
viddwas it written to from another linux machine?13:05
Go|2Tit was written to from a linux machinme13:05
viddwhat user ID wrote the data?13:06
Go|2Tme13:06
viddfor example....13:06
viddroot is user id 013:06
viddthe "default original" user in ubuntu-based linux is 1000 (i beleive)13:06
viddthe second user is UID 100113:07
viddthird user is UID 1002 ...etc13:07
viddwhat UID were you on that other machine?13:07
Go|2TIf I go to properties it shows owner 500\13:07
viddhehehe13:08
viddlet me show you how to create a UID alias.....13:08
Go|2Tok13:08
vidd***dangerous code...use with caution*** in terminal, type "sudo mousepad /etc/passwd" (this opens the passwd file with root access)13:10
vidd***dangerous code...use with caution*** scan the file to see if there is a UID 500 already13:10
vidd***dangerous code...use with caution*** if not, copy the line for your user and paste it in a new line13:11
SiDierrrrrrrr13:12
SiDiisnt it said to NEVER NEVER NEVER (NEVER) modify /etc/passwd manually ?13:12
vidd***dangerous code...use with caution*** change the UID to 500, change the user name and save13:12
viddSiDi, please note the ***dangerous code...use with caution*** tag on each line?13:12
SiDiWell, i'd been told this should always be done via useradd and usermod13:13
SiDibecause it can corrupt the /etc/passwd file13:13
viddSiDi, i have don this a hundred times myself13:13
SiDidamn13:13
SiDimy teachers lied :(13:13
viddif not done correctly, it CAN corrupt the /etc/passwd file13:13
SiDiwell nevermind then, sorry for interrupting :p13:13
Go|2Twhat do you mean by change the user name.. do I change my name13:14
viddSiDi, besides...shadow is the REALLY nasty file to mess up13:14
viddGo|2T, for the user 500, yes...for the user 1000, no13:15
Go|2Tyou lost me there13:15
viddwe are making two identical entries13:16
Go|2Tyep one is a 500 , one a 100013:16
viddlets say your uid 1000 name is "jon"13:16
Go|2Tok13:16
viddmake the uid 500 name something like jon213:17
Go|2Tok13:17
viddnow save and exit13:17
Go|2Tok13:17
Go|2Tits not saving13:18
viddthe properties for that file should now say the owner is "jon2"(or whatever you named it13:18
viddwhat does it say?13:18
Go|2Tits not saying anything13:19
viddwhen you opened it, did you use sudo?13:19
Go|2Tits saying psswrd already exists overwrite it13:20
viddlets name this passwd-test13:20
Go|2Tok13:20
vidd(i forgot to have you make a back-up)13:20
Go|2TI made it passwd-test.. it closed ok13:21
viddin your mousepad, click file>open13:21
viddbelay that...13:21
viddopen /etc/passwrd again13:22
Go|2Tits open13:22
viddmake no changes and save as passwd.bak13:22
Go|2Tok did that13:23
viddnow open passwd-test and save as passwd13:23
viddoverwrite13:23
Go|2Tok13:23
viddnow lets check the properties of that folder....13:24
viddwho owns it now?13:24
viddit should be the new user you created13:24
DaDa|UrkaDoes someone know if xfce 1.6 will make it in xubuntu 9.04?13:24
viddDaDa|Urka, the latest and greatest is planned to be added13:25
Go|2Tok13:25
Go|2Tme 213:25
Go|2Tyep, thats it13:25
viddok....13:25
DaDa|Urkalol13:26
DaDa|Urkavidd : u swear? :D13:26
Go|2Tbut I still can`t get in the lost+found folder13:26
viddGo|2T, we are not done yet13:26
Go|2Tok13:27
viddwe need to edit the /etc/group file13:27
Go|2Tok13:27
Go|2Tok what command is that13:29
viddsudo mousepad /etc/group13:29
Go|2Tok its open13:30
Pres-GasSo, are we going to see 4.6 in 9.04?13:30
Go|2Tetc/group is open13:32
DaGr8GatzbyI'm still waiting for my PS3 port13:33
DaGr8Gatzby:)13:33
viddon the last line put the following "[new-user]:x:500:[old-user]" where [new-user] = the new user and [old-user] = the orginal username13:33
Go|2Tok13:34
viddsorry Go|2T another user was chastising me for telling you to use sudo instead of gksudo13:35
Go|2Tso new user would be say fred2:x:500:fred13:36
viddyes13:36
Go|2Tis that all I need to put there13:37
viddyep...save and overwrite13:37
Go|2Tok13:37
viddnow see if you can view those files13:38
Ben_Cshello13:38
Ben_Csi have xubuntu 8.04. if i want to upgrade to xfce 4.6 i just download xfce and goodies .run files and install first xfce and then goodies?13:38
Go|2Tnope13:39
viddhrm....13:39
Go|2Tstill shows 50013:39
viddwil this drive be "reconnecting to the other system?13:39
Go|2Tno13:40
viddok...lets undo what we just did....13:40
Go|2Tok13:40
viddedit /etc/group first to remove that last line13:40
viddthen, open passwd.bak and save as /etc/passwd13:41
viddremember to use root permissions (sudo or gksudo)13:42
DaGr8GatzbyBen_Cs: what version is reported when you enter xubuntu_desktop13:42
DaGr8Gatzby?13:42
DaGr8Gatzbyoh wait13:42
DaGr8Gatzbyn/m :(13:42
viddGo|2T, get in the habit of using gksudo with GUI apps13:43
Go|2Tok so what do I type then13:43
viddgksu mousepad /etc/group13:44
Go|2TI did  group already13:44
Ben_CsDaGr8Gatzby: 4.4.2?13:44
viddthen gksu /etc/passwd.bak13:45
viddand save that as /etc/passwd and overwrite13:45
Go|2Tnothing opened13:45
viddthe file didnt open?13:46
Go|2Tno it didn`t13:46
viddis it already open?13:46
Ben_CsDaGr8Gatzby: is it safe to install as i said and not with .deb files? cause i can't find .deb files for xfce 4.613:46
Go|2Tnothing is open here13:47
viddlets open mousepad by itsself....13:47
viddgksu mousepad13:47
viddanything?13:48
Go|2Tok I got a blank one13:48
viddok...good13:48
Go|2T:)13:48
viddclick on file>open13:48
Go|2Tok13:49
viddand navigate to the /etc folder and find passwd.bak13:49
Go|2Tok13:49
viddwe want to "save as" and remove the .bak13:49
DaGr8GatzbyI wouldn't know Ben_Cs :( Sorry13:49
Ben_CsDaGr8Gatzby: ok thanks. I'll risk it :)13:50
Go|2Tok, did that13:50
Go|2Tdo I just remove the user 50013:51
viddthe .bak should not have the user 500 =\13:52
viddbut yes13:52
Go|2TI`ve already saved passwd13:52
viddone moment....work stuff...brb13:53
Go|2Tok13:53
viddGo|2T, you will need to chmod that entire drive13:59
viddnot chmod....chown'13:59
Go|2Tok do I close paswrd now14:00
viddsudo chown -Rf /path/to/drive14:00
viddonce its saved, just close it14:00
Go|2Tok14:00
Go|2Tok how do I find path to drive14:01
Go|2Thmmm, he must be busy14:09
Go|2Thello vidd14:12
viddcan someone help Go|2T find the path to his external drive and chown it to his user?14:12
viddty14:13
knomeGo|2T, it is possibly /media/something14:13
Go|2Tyep media/disk14:14
Go|2Tnot sure of the whole command though14:14
knome'sudo chown -Rf /media/disk'14:15
Go|2Tis that all I have to do14:15
knomeGo|2T, try it. it won't break your system.14:16
Go|2TI did I get chown: missing operand after `/media/disk'14:17
knome'sudo chown -Rf yourusername:yourusername /media/disk'14:18
Go|2Tok14:18
Go|2Tchown: missing operand after `jeffrey:jeffrey/media/disk'14:21
knomeGo|2T, note the space before /media/disk14:22
Go|2Tok14:23
Go|2Twoo hoo , got it14:24
Go|2Tty knome14:25
viddGo|2T, sorry...we have a meltdown in the NOC here at work =[14:25
Go|2Tty to vidd for his patience.. thats ok vidd14:25
Ben_Cshello14:32
Ben_Cswhere can i find the package: libisofs-1 (0.6.2)    ?14:32
Go|2Tits in synaptic under libsofis14:35
Go|2Tdid you get that Ben_Cs14:37
Ben_CsGo|2T: yes. i'm downloading and installing intrepid deb files14:38
Go|2Tgood, that creates ISO 9660 images don`t it14:39
=== ZeRo_FeniX_ is now known as ZeRo_FeniX
Go|2Tok, I`m off to bed.. 1:40 am here14:41
Ben_CsGo|2T: yes. and it's easier than compiling src14:41
Go|2Tso are you using Xubuntu 8.10 or just updating it now Ben_Cs14:42
Ben_CsGo|2T: i'm using hardy and installed those libs from 8.1014:43
Go|2Tok, that should work ok14:43
Ben_CsGo|2T: thanks14:43
Go|2TI`ve done that a few times and had no problems14:44
Go|2Tok, I`m off to bed14:44
Ben_CsGo|2T: bye14:45
viddwhat is the hot-key to lock the desktop15:13
MyrttiI don't think there is one by default15:13
Myrtticould be wrong15:13
diginuxthere isnt15:14
diginuxwait15:14
diginuxtry ctrl+alt+delete15:15
diginux(seriously_15:15
diginux(seriously)15:15
viddhrm...nope15:16
diginuxok, pretty sure it isnt default, looks like i added it myself15:16
diginuxgoto xfce settings manager15:16
diginuxgoto keyboard15:16
diginuxgoto shortcuts15:16
diginuxadd a new theme15:16
diginuxthen in that theme, add a new key binding15:16
diginuxthen set one for xflock415:16
diginuxwhich locks the desktop15:16
diginuxif i remember correctly ubuntu doesnt do the dependency right so you have to install xlock manually15:17
Myrttigiven you have xlockmore or xlockmore-gl installed.15:17
SiDiits ctrl+alt+suppr afaik15:17
SiDihere it locks the screen15:17
SiDi+del *15:17
diginuxMyrtti: how come xflock4 doesnt depend one of those programs ?15:17
diginuxalways a question ive had..15:17
Myrttidiginux: have no idea15:17
diginuxwonder if it is a "bug"15:17
vidddiginux, no need to add a new theme...just install xlockmore15:20
diginuxvidd: so there is a default key binding then?15:21
viddyes15:21
diginuxahh there is15:21
diginuxoh i see what I did now..15:21
viddi saw it there when i was following your instructions15:21
diginuxi just copied them all over then added a few new ones for my theme15:21
diginuxsorry about that15:22
diginuxshould have checked15:22
viddhey...not your fault that xlockmore isnt installed by default15:22
linuksamikohej everyone, are there any xfce 4.6 binaries for 8.10 out allready?15:25
Myrttinope15:26
linuksamikotoo bad. Are there any plans for 4.6 packages?15:26
linuksamikonot officaly of course but by anybody?15:26
diginuxyes, 4.6 will be in jaunty15:27
diginuxi think its 4.5.99999 right now15:27
viddlinuksamiko, if im not mistaken, 4.6 will be in the next release15:27
rockoHELLO15:27
rockomoin moin15:27
rockohallo15:27
rockosaluton15:27
vidd!hello15:27
ubottuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!15:27
rockoohal15:27
rocko!hallo15:27
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about hallo15:27
Myrttithat I know of, I must add15:27
rocko!moin15:27
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about moin15:27
Myrttirocko: are you done soon?15:28
rockofor what Myrtti ?15:28
charlie-tcadiginux: it is actually 4.6 rc1 right now15:28
rockohallo means hello in german15:28
diginuxcharlie-tca: ah, very good then, i don't like 4.6 though, no menu editor, so I had to go back to window maker :(15:28
charlie-tcaWe get the menu editor in 4.815:28
diginuxcharlie-tca: that is a long time!15:29
linuksamikoand saluton means hello in esperanto15:29
charlie-tcaWell, maybe.15:29
Myrttibut this is not a channel for comparing the hello's of different languages15:29
charlie-tcaand this is an English chanel15:29
charlie-tcas/chanel/channel*15:29
linuksamikoWell but anyway, still got a question about 4.6. Is it for sure that it will be in 9.04?15:30
charlie-tcayes, linuksamiko15:30
linuksamikogood to hear15:30
charlie-tcaI don't think the developers are going through all the work of putting it in now to take it away for the release15:31
DaGr8GatzbyI still want a PS3 port :(15:31
viddDaGr8Gatzby, so why not make one?15:31
DaGr8GatzbyI wish I had the skillz15:32
DaGr8Gatzby:(15:32
diginuxit should be simple, just cross-compile for arm15:32
diginuxor ppc15:32
diginuxI ran yellow dog on a ps3 for a while, it was fun15:32
linuksamikoDaGr8Gatzby: I think there is an (anything)ubuntu ppc version out there. That should work15:33
charlie-tcaAren't the port/daily images jaunty?15:33
DaGr8Gatzbyyes I've made Intrepid work15:33
viddwill ppc work on ps3?15:33
charlie-tcahttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/daily/current and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/daily-live/current15:34
linuksamikohttp://psubuntu.com/15:34
diginuxit hsould..15:34
diginuxits just a ppc processor15:34
DaGr8Gatzbyhttp://psubuntu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=87515:34
rockoyou should use debian for power pc15:34
rockoubuntu has crappy support for power pc15:34
diginuxrocko: why debian?15:34
diginuxvidd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_315:34
diginuxoh :(15:35
rockobecause ubuntu has crappy support for powerpc15:35
charlie-tcaDaGr8Gatzby: We could use someone to test those images on the ppc and the ps315:35
rockoI know I use powerpc all the time15:35
rockoI have two powerpc computers15:35
rockoimac g3 and a powerbook15:35
linuksamikobut maybe this psubuntu may be worth a try15:36
DaGr8GatzbyI would be more than happy to15:36
DaGr8GatzbyI know psubuntu works15:36
charlie-tcarocko: those images should work on the g3 also.15:36
DaGr8GatzbyI set up intrepid just fine :)15:36
rockowell with my experince in the past15:37
rockodebian has much better support15:37
charlie-tcaLooks to me like we will have jaunty ports, since we have jaunty alphas15:37
rockoI could not find a live cd for powerpc either15:37
rockoI think I did though15:37
rockobut I forgot what it was15:37
charlie-tcarocko: that I could believe15:37
rockohold on15:38
rockothis is the only live cd I could find for powerpc http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/15:40
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charlie-tcaThen go to ours. We have one at :15:48
charlie-tcahttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/daily-live/current15:49
charlie-tcaHowever, It is ALPHA15:49
charlie-tcaexpect it to break15:49
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Moodanyone tried using enlightenment w/ xubuntu?15:54
Brad450does anyone know how i can get wine to start a .EXE file by just clicking on it?15:56
diginuxBrad450: in thunar?15:56
Brad450in properties wine doesnt show up on the file i want to open15:57
Brad450??15:57
diginuxBrad450: in thunar?15:57
Brad450THUNAR??15:57
diginuxthe file manager?15:57
viddBrad450, basically, he's asking "where are you clicking the .EXE?"15:58
Brad450yes. when you right click you have properties at the bottom. can i get wine on the list to exute the file?15:59
diginuxBrad450: assuming it is thunar, in the properties dialog, goto Open with, select Other Application, then select /usr/bin/wine15:59
Moodwhy is the xubuntu mascot a mouse? any sites that offer documentation on reasons why?16:01
Brad450it says add application: opens a window and wine isnt on it :( i can use a custom command line16:01
viddMood, because all the OTHER cool mascots were already taken?16:02
viddor maybe because it eats so little resources16:03
Moodvidd: heh ok. who made the choice, you know?16:03
Brad450the mouse was probably used to symbolize that its smaller than most other distros16:03
viddi would assue the developers16:03
forceswii!!!!!!!!16:04
Brad450i would have picked a baby tux now that would be awesome!!!16:04
viddwell...actually...xubuntu's mascot is a mouse because xfce's mascot is a mouse16:04
forcesxfce 4.6 final release is avaible right now!16:04
Moodxfce's a mouse maybe of the 'small footprint'?16:05
Moodknow of any historical docs on the topic? i.e. logo versions, etc16:05
Brad450how can i make a file start with a certain program??16:06
rockothat is a livecd charlie-tca16:06
rockoI prefer debian for powerpc16:07
Brad450where does wine show up after you install??16:09
diginuxBrad450: for me, it shows up under apps16:10
Brad450ya what section?16:11
diginuxfor me, it installed its own section called wine16:11
SiDiapps go to "Others" menu, you can modify the .desktop files in .local/share/applications/wine and add a line such as "Categories=Game;"16:13
SiDiand it'll go in Games16:14
charlie-tcaforces: but it is not packaged for Xubuntu yet.16:17
forcesright16:17
forcesyou have to compile if you wanna use it16:17
charlie-tcaBut, Jaunty alpha 5 is out!16:18
forcesthe next is beta right?16:18
charlie-tcagive it a day or two to get packaged16:18
charlie-tcaNo, forces. Next is alpha 616:18
forcesor alpha 6?16:18
forcesT_T16:18
charlie-tcaThen beta16:18
charlie-tca!releases16:19
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases16:19
charlie-tca!jaunty16:19
ubottuJaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.16:19
charlie-tcastupid bot16:19
charlie-tcahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule16:19
charlie-tcaThat is the schedule for jaunty16:20
forces!karmic16:20
ubottuKarmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - For more info see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000536.html16:20
rockowhy does ps3 use powerpc ?16:24
DaGr8Gatzbythat's the type of chip it is16:24
DaGr8GatzbyThe PS3 uses the Cell microprocessor, which is made up of one 3.2 GHz PowerPC-based "Power Processing Element" (PPE) and six accessible Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs).16:25
Aquinahy!16:27
Aquina:-)16:27
xiqhello i have a problem! I installed xubuntu and then win xp, after restart it said "invalid partition table" and i couldnt start them16:41
viddxiq, you should install windows first, then linux16:41
charlie-tcaYes, you lost the Grub installing windows16:41
viddwindows dont play nice with others...and its so arrogant as to think its the only one there16:42
rockoWINBLOWS16:43
xiqso what can i do? i dont want to reinstall xub a 3rth time16:47
viddxiq, does windows load?16:48
xiqnope16:48
viddthen your *****16:48
xiqfucked?16:48
charlie-tcaxiq: take a look at these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto16:49
xiqthy16:49
xiqthx16:49
viddwhile im sure there IS a fix out there....it will likely be faster to just re-install16:49
xiqno wait16:49
charlie-tcavidd: Doesn't supergrub work?16:49
viddcharlie-tca, dunno...ive never heard of it16:49
charlie-tcaor did windows take out the MBR?16:49
charlie-tcahttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/16:50
xiqi mean, 1st i installed xub then win, so now i made a fat32 partition maybe can install install window there16:50
xiqwow ok16:50
charlie-tcahttp://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Boot_Windows_without_problems#Grub_solution16:50
rockoWINBLOWS16:50
charlie-tcaGoogle is your friend16:51
rockoyou will have to get a hacked copy of winblows to do that xiq16:51
xiqi have plenty versions of any os :D16:51
rockobecause windows will not install if it notices any changes16:51
rockolike hard drive space16:51
rockoor completely upgrading the computer16:51
rockowith cpu hard drive ...etc16:52
xiqok i'll come again in 20 minutes...16:52
charlie-tcasupergrubdisk website is down16:53
xiqjust one thing: i have a 160HDD and 100gb xub , 59gb win and 1gb swap ; is that ok?16:54
rockoparted magic is good charlie-tca16:57
DaGr8Gatzbyyea16:57
DaGr8Gatzbyparted is good16:57
JuanLHey Room.16:57
rockohttp://partedmagic.com/16:58
SiDixiq if you installed win after ubuntu, it'll erase your MBR16:58
SiDialso, ensure you install win in a primary NTFS partition, it's much more likely to work16:58
JuanLi had partition magic, that's how i originally setup and cleared some of my partition to put Ubuntu on.16:58
JuanLbut then i chose to just wipe windows and keep nothing but Xubuntu so now i'm pro Linux XD16:59
charlie-tcaWhy didn't you guys speak up when he was here?16:59
JuanLi just walked in...16:59
JuanL:P16:59
SiDifor the swap, you should have the same amount than your ram (for the hibernation feature, but if you run on a laptop i just recommand you to remove swap and use ram only, esp. if you have a lot of ram, you'll save power because you'll have less read write access on your HDD)16:59
JuanLxiq isn't in the room. BTW17:00
SiDii was reading some stuff somewhere else17:00
SiDididnt notice he left haha17:00
* SiDi is ashamed..17:00
JuanL* puts his hands in his pockets.17:00
JuanLlol17:00
* charlie-tca thinks discussion is good17:00
JuanLanyway Quick Q. anyone here use Http://www.webex.com17:01
JuanLi use it for my Work and i'm Linux and there Windows i got the meetings to work but i'm trying to find something that plays the videos which are in .arf and .wrf format17:01
JuanLi'm currently rocking Xubuntu 8.1017:01
DaGr8GatzbyI guess I can wait for a PS3 verson of Jaunty17:02
DaGr8Gatzby:(17:02
SiDiJuanL: activate medibuntu universe and multiverse17:02
JuanLin Term?17:02
SiDithe repositories17:02
pantharDo you know of anyone working on making XFCE 4.6 work in the current Xubuntu?17:02
SiDiin sources of software for univ and multiv17:02
SiDiand you'll have to search the web for medibuntu's repository17:03
JuanL?17:03
SiDipanthar: there's a PPA for that, it's said to almost fully work17:03
JuanLwhere do i go to activate who in the wha now17:03
pantharNice - do you happen to have a link to it, or remember where you saw discussion on it?17:03
SiDisec JuanL :)17:03
JuanLaye17:03
charlie-tcaDaGr8Gatzby: daily-live didn't work?17:04
charlie-tcapanthar: yes, it will be packaged for Jaunty17:04
charlie-tcaWe will wait to see if it gets backported to intrepid after Jaunty17:05
SiDitype "gksu mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list" JuanL17:05
pantharcharlie-tca: nice - just 2 days ago people were thinking it would not make it into Jaunty17:05
JuanLcommand not found.17:06
DaGr8Gatzbycharlie-tca: naw17:06
SiDisudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list then :P17:06
DaGr8Gatzbylink me though17:06
DaGr8Gatzbyyesterdays build may work17:06
pantharIf anyone knows where the PPA is for 4.6 though, I'd love to kick the tires a bit in 8.1017:07
JuanLok a mousepad poped up17:07
SiDiJuanL: add this line at the end of the file :    deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ intrepid free non-free17:07
charlie-tcapanthar: it is not supported; gives a lot of bugs that won't get fixed17:07
SiDiJuanL: then save your file, open a terminal, and type this :       wget -q http://fr.packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -17:07
JuanLall it said was. "OK"17:08
JuanLafter that17:08
SiDiJuanL: these two operations will add a repository to your system (repositories are the places from which your update manager grabs the packages)17:08
charlie-tcapanthar: still want it?17:08
SiDinow, you're gonna activate multiverse and universe, that enable you to get the proprietary packages17:09
JuanLok17:09
SiDiopen the window "Sources of software" (in system menu, or by typing "sudo software-properties-gtk" in a console)17:09
pantharcharlie-tca: definitely - If it's bad enough I can put together my installation myself no problem :)17:09
charlie-tcahttps://launchpad.net/~jerome-guelfucci/+archive/ppa has one; please don't report bugs against it17:09
pantharIt's just the only one I saw was with 4.5.9x17:10
JuanLok it's up17:10
pantharCool, ty - and no, I won't be sending bugs against something like that.17:10
SiDicheck the boxes for universe/restricted/multiverse17:10
charlie-tca4.5.99.1 is 4.6 RC117:10
SiDithen you can quit this window. it'll probably ask you to refresh the list of packages, accept if it does, JuanL17:11
pantharcharlie-tca: no, it was an older one than that.17:11
SiDiJuanL: are you running the 32 bits or 64 bits version ?17:11
JuanL3217:11
JuanLthey where already checked17:12
SiDiok then17:12
SiDiopen a terminal again, type "sudo apt-get update"17:12
charlie-tcaJeromeg tries hard to package these things for those who dare to go there...17:13
pantharI'll take his dare on this one, heh17:13
SiDithen "sudo apt-get install 32codecs gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-pitfdll libdvdcss2 totem-gstreamer gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad xubuntu-restricted-extras libdvdcss2"17:13
SiDiand you should have anything you'll ever need with that, JuanL17:13
JuanLthis will allow me to play the files?17:14
pantharI have a second installation I use for stuff like this, so if it blows up, I'll still thank him for it almost working :)17:14
JuanL.arf and .wrf ?17:14
charlie-tcaGreat idea17:14
MyrttiBarf and Worf17:14
* Myrtti hides17:14
* charlie-tca looks for Myrtti 17:14
JuanLE: Couldn't find package 32codecs17:14
MyrttiJuanL: w32, not 3217:15
JuanLi pasted what you posted17:15
* charlie-tca should be hiding, giving out that PPA17:15
JuanLhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/123899/17:16
SiDiah yeh sorry, i missed a w17:16
JuanLpasted my Term17:16
SiDiJuanL: it's w32codecs, i forgot a letter ^^17:16
JuanLok added in seemed to be doing stuff17:16
SiDiit will very likely allow you to read those files17:17
JuanLi mean i can WINE the windows versions but i rather stay away from windows completely that's why i want a linux solution17:17
SiDiwell, almost all the codecs (the free and proprietary ones) that work on linux are included in the things  i made you install17:18
SiDiif it doesnt work you'll probably have to use wine17:18
SiDiand also, it's very important to remember whining at the company using those formats, so that they can notice linux users do exist17:18
SiDiit rarely works but in the long term it can have an impact17:19
JuanLwell they had a linux version of the software the webex meeting software so i got that going17:19
JuanLalot of googling for that17:19
JuanLALOT :P17:19
JuanLwhat player should i use to test it out?17:20
JuanLcause Totem did nothing..17:20
viddwell no wonder you having issues.... your using gstreamer stuff17:22
viddinstall gxine, libline-extracodecs17:22
JuanL?17:22
viddinstall gxine, libline1-extracodecs17:22
JuanLcommand?17:22
viddhuh?17:23
vidd"sudo apt-get install" will install what ever applications you ask it to17:23
viddjust add the two apps i suggested17:23
cody-somervillevidd, We use greamter in Xubuntu by default, not gxine.17:23
JuanL<==== Noobuntu17:23
viddJuanL, sudo apt-get install gxine libxine1-all-plugins17:26
JuanLok it's download/install17:27
SiDiJuanL: if it didnt work with totem and vlc, then you're lost :(17:27
* vidd does not want to get into a debate about the pro's and con's of the different meadia formats17:28
JuanLthen i'm stuck with WINE if it doesn't work17:28
* SiDi wouldn't know what to say in the midst of such a debate.17:28
* vidd has just had better experience with xine and horrors with gstreamer17:28
JuanLcause i can get them in wine no problem17:28
* SiDi doesn't even know what he's using, all he knows is that it seems to work. Seems.17:28
viddJuanL, what file format?17:28
SiDiarf and wrf17:29
viddSiDi, if you dont know, then your likely using gstreamer17:29
vidd=\17:29
* vidd has never heard of such formats17:29
JuanLHttp://www.webex.com17:30
JuanLthere for my companys Remote Desktop Online Host Meeting Software17:30
JuanLif they record a session it comes out in those proprietary formats17:30
viddah...then you will need to use wine then (in all likelyhood)17:31
JuanLi have no problem in wine. i was just hoping for a NON-Windows Esque solution.17:31
SiDiWell, you should mail webex17:31
SiDia gentle mail though :P17:31
JuanLlol17:31
JuanLi should make my entire company hop ship cold turkey to Xubuntu17:32
JuanLthen this room will have over 400 employees in it17:32
JuanLhourly17:32
viddfoul words, vile threats and claims of discrimination may make you feel better, but are less effective in getting results you find favourable17:32
SiDiJuanL: that'd be funny to see :)17:32
JuanLlol17:33
SiDividd: thats why i said gentle mail :P17:33
vidd=]17:33
viddsimply explaining WHY a gentle email =]17:33
AquinaI've got a bit "off topic" question. My brother and me are up starts and we need to effectively deploy Xubuntu to all our other clients. We're running Ubuntu server 8.04 LTS too and my primary workstation has a Xubuntu on it I already configured to our needs. How can I use that "fork?" and deploy it effectively to other clients?17:35
SiDihm i think there's a tool for creating OEM discs17:35
SiDiif the hardware is identical you could just clone the content of the HDD to the other PCs17:36
SiDibut only with the same hardware17:36
Aquinax86?17:36
SiDii mean same motherboard and HDD17:36
SiDibasically, same computers :P17:36
SiDibecause either you'll have the wrong drivers installed and it might become hard to manage17:37
AquinaSo what about my private settings lying everywhere on the system? Lots of config files and maybe stuff I'd not like to have on the other clients.17:37
SiDiif your current install is a private one it's not appropriate17:38
viddAquina, have you considerd doing a LTSP setup?17:38
AquinaLTSP?17:38
JuanLok does Add/Remove get the same results instead of my typing in "Sudo apt-get [etc]"17:38
SiDiThere's a page about that in the french doc, but if you don't speak french it wont help :)17:39
JuanLcause that shows me listings of stuff17:39
SiDiJuanL: yes, add/remove, synaptics and sudo apt-get install do the same stuff17:39
Aquinamy french is a bit rosted.17:39
viddLinux Terminal Server Project17:39
SiDiAdd/Remove only shows the applications, Synaptics Package Manager and apt-get list the whole packages17:39
Aquinaok I'll look that up on some search engine.17:39
AquinaIn case there's the same achitekture but different boards, graphics adapters, etc. will modprobe (or whatever) take care of it?17:39
JuanLi have Synaptics Package Manager as well17:40
AquinaJuanL check the A/R system first and Synaptic in case the app is not listed there.17:40
SiDihttp://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu-fr.org%2Foem&sl=fr&tl=en&history_state0= Aquina17:41
Aquinaapt-get from the command line is usefull when you know how to use a shell. You can perform some tasks faster and have more advanced options depending on your shell skills. ;-)17:41
Aquinathx, SiDi17:41
SiDithis is a google translation, but just ask me if there's a phrase you don't understand17:42
SiDii'll leave soon tho17:42
Aquina:-)17:42
SiDiactually the translation is pretty good oO17:43
AquinaWill it generally work with Xubuntu HH too?17:43
SiDiXubuntu and Ubuntu are the same, just not the same environment / apps by default17:43
SiDii suppose there is a xubuntu alternate cd with the OEM install mode too17:43
Aquinaok, thank you17:45
SiDiyou're welcome17:46
LnsDoes Xubuntu use the default Ubuntu kernel, or do you roll your own?18:01
cody-somervilleWe use the default kernel18:03
Lnsah18:03
LnsI ask because I'm fairly active with Ubuntu and LTSP - and there is some discussion about using a 'minimalist' type kernel for the client chroot environment18:04
LnsI thought, if anything, Xubuntu would have a smaller kernel than Ubuntu that we could pull from, but I guess not. Do you know of any Ubuntu minimalist kernels out there?18:04
LnsI'd like to stay away from rolling our own since, with LTSP5, distro integration was key18:05
_Pete_how much more memory you get when using such minimalistic kernel?18:05
Lns_Pete_: Well, I'm not sure - its just in the discussion phase. By 'minimalist' I was meaning less memory, but also less 'udev', less "fully desktop oriented features" so as to not slow down a very low powered thin client so much18:07
Lnsthe client chroot environment is only needed to boot the thin client and basically get an X session to the LTSP server18:07
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DaGr8Gatzby raeady or not18:27
DaGr8Gatzbyhere I come18:27
DaGr8Gatzbyyou can't hide ...18:27
Aquina*lol*18:37
AquinaWanna scare a little girl?18:38
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G-BleezyHow do i configure network manager in Xubuntu to connect through a wireless internet connection as oppposed to a wired one?18:41
knomeG-Bleezy, network manager will always connect to wired network if you have one available. i think in that situation it is not possible to connect via wireless18:43
G-Bleezyno way18:43
G-Bleezyi need this :p18:44
G-Bleezymy files are on my LAN and i connect to my neighbor's internet...18:44
LnsG-Bleezy: can't you simply disable your lan connection temporarily?18:44
Lnsoh18:44
Lnsroute?18:44
G-Bleezyya everything is routed and stuff18:44
Lnssimply route your default route to the wireless once connected18:44
knomeG-Bleezy, wicd is an alternative for network manager. you might want to try that.18:45
knomeLns, as i said, NM is not able to connect to both networks at once.18:45
G-Bleezyit's just when i plug in the ethernet cord it forces my internet connection to come through eth018:45
G-Bleezyi dropped and changed default route...and it changed...but when i went to get my ip address it was still the same18:45
G-Bleezyand network manager icon showed wired connection as opposed to wireles18:46
G-Bleezyeven after i changed route18:46
Lnshrm...yeah i would ditch nm in that case18:47
Lnsjust mho though18:47
G-Bleezywhats nm?18:47
G-Bleezyoh 'network manager'?18:48
viddG-Bleezy, look up wicd18:48
DaGr8Gatzbywicd sucks18:48
DaGr8Gatzbyseriuosly18:48
viddto use that app, you would have to uninstall NM18:48
DaGr8Gatzbywhen it works, it's awesome18:48
DaGr8Gatzbyit never works for me though18:48
knomevidd, repositories will take care of that18:48
viddDaGr8Gatzby, it has the function he needs18:48
DaGr8Gatzbyit constantly wlan0 off and on18:49
viddknome, is wicd finally in the repos?18:49
DaGr8Gatzbyvidd: I think you still have to add the repo manually18:49
charlie-tcait is in jaunty18:49
DaGr8Gatzbyoh nice!18:49
viddsweet18:49
knomevidd, i remember it being in the repos for intrepid...18:49
knomei might be wrong though.18:49
viddim looking....18:50
viddknome, nope...not in II18:50
knomevidd, ok. then i have holes in my head.18:51
viddperhaps you had a ppa repo?18:51
viddif im not mistaken, there are a few ppa's that have wicd18:51
knomei think i didn't have ppa. maybe some other manually added repo anyway.18:52
knomedoesn't really make a difference. i can live with nm and am actually way more happy with it than with wicd :P18:52
pingvinashello there18:54
viddi bring this up because A.) G-Bleezy asked, and B.) i hate how NM mutated horribly in hardy(?)18:54
viddhello pingvinas18:54
pingvinasdoes anyone know why sometimes audacious won't play after something's played on youtube?18:54
G-Bleezysoo...if i turn off network manager is a it a big pain to do that stuff yourself? login to WEP and stuff18:55
LnsG-Bleezy: are you familiar with the shell?18:55
viddpingvinas, most likely the poorly constructed scripts on that particular page did not close properly and is still holding the sound card18:55
G-Bleezylittle bit ya18:55
G-Bleezynot TOO scary :p18:56
Lns:) the iwconfig commands aren't too bad, especially if you've used ifconfig before18:56
pingvinasvidd any way to close those scripts?18:56
Lnsbut wicd is always out there too i guess18:56
viddG-Bleezy, if you use WICD, its very simple to set up (easier then NM IMO18:56
viddpingvinas, i dont really know....i havent personally experienced this18:57
knomepingvinas, maybe make sure that every instance of firefox/you prfereed browser is really closed?18:58
pingvinashow to do it?18:58
G-Bleezyok18:58
knomepingvinas, see the 'processes' tab in system monitor18:59
pingvinasknome firefox is closed, but audacious still won't play anything19:03
Lnspingvinas: i've seen this before19:04
Lnsare you using pulseaudio for all apps (i.e. not esd/oss) ?19:04
pingvinashmm... not sure. how do i know whether i use pulseaudio?19:04
Lnsolder audio subsystems sometimes lock /dev/dsp and don't let it go (AHEMflashAHEM)19:04
Lnswell, not sure in xubuntu..but sound preferences in System -> Prefs -> Sound19:05
Lnsshould be the same19:05
Lnsdoes xubuntu use pulse by default like ubuntu?19:05
pingvinasthe 'device' thing?19:06
Lnspingvinas: i usually just set everything to 'autodetect' and it works. the 'device' is your actual sound hardware19:07
pingvinasdevice is "HDA ATI SB"19:07
Lnspingvinas: if sound is working at all you shouldn't have to change your 'device'19:08
pingvinasLns, sorry, set everything 'autodetect' where?19:08
Lns(i think) =)19:08
Lnspingvinas: sound playback19:08
Lnsunder 'devices' yes19:09
Lns(devices tab)19:09
Lnsis that just a gnome thing?19:09
* Lns probably shouldn't be instructing people that use different DEs than him ;)19:09
pingvinasi set default, but it doesn't play anyway19:09
Lnspingvinas: what version of flash/firefox?19:09
pingvinasfirefox ver 3.0.619:10
Lnspingvinas: flash?19:12
pingvinasthe most recent one19:12
Lnsfrom adobe's site, or the repos?19:12
Lns(10.0 r15 is available from adobe.com)19:12
pingvinasdon't know19:15
pingvinasbut it does let to play vlc player. maybe it's audacious which makes the problem?19:16
pingvinasare there any other good mp3 players for (x)ubuntu?19:16
charlie-tcaListen19:17
* Myrtti loves mpd19:18
Lnsi love audacious19:19
Lnspingvinas: have you checked the sound output settings in audacious?19:19
pingvinaswhat shoud i check?19:19
Lnspingvinas: Audacious preferences -> Audio -> Current output plugin = PulseAudio Output Plugin19:23
Reno`you everybody drunk ?)19:23
Reno`for xfce )19:23
pingvinasLns: yeah, it's pulse, but it doesn't work19:24
Lnshrm19:25
Lnsnot sure..i remember having issues like this back in the gutsy days but not anytime recently19:25
Myrttihrm19:31
Myrttibut xubuntu doesn't come with pulseaudio19:31
pingvinasin audacious you can pulseaudio as output19:34
BesogonWhen I had installed xubuntu over ubuntu I dont heard any sound. (when  I typed string the Pulseaudio in the autorun sound appeared). But it  isworking like alsa.19:38
liteweighthi i have a system with 128mb ram and 800mhz processor a very old and used up machine19:43
liteweightwindows xp is running on it very slow so i was wondering if i should install xubuntu on it19:43
liteweightwhat i need is a web browser and java runtime environment19:44
viddweather you SHOULD or not is a personal opion....but you can19:44
liteweightok the other part of the question19:44
liteweightI think firefox is not exactly a lite web browser it takes lots of memmory19:44
viddthis is true19:45
liteweightcan you please suggest some nice gui web browser thats not as heavy as firefox19:45
charlie-tcaliteweight: maybe try epiphany, it is mozilla based but lighter19:45
viddi use epipahny on my 350Mhz P III19:45
liteweightepiphany can play you tube videos?19:45
viddyes19:45
liteweightok another question19:46
viddit can do anything its big bro can do19:46
liteweightwhile installing lenny i read something about some liteweight desktop environment19:46
liteweighti forgot what it was19:46
viddlxde19:46
liteweightyeah19:46
viddits in the repos19:47
liteweightok19:47
liteweightis it faster than xfce?19:47
viddi have that on my 290Mhz 128MB ram lappy19:47
liteweightyou mean lxde?19:47
viddyes19:48
liteweightok19:48
viddits in the repos19:48
Besogonliteweight, You can use Opera too.19:48
vidddo an alt install19:48
viddBesogon, he want LIGHT19:48
liteweightbesogon ohh yeah opera i read its faster than firefox19:48
liteweightvidd alt install?19:48
viddliteweight, do an alt cd install, choose to do a cli-only19:49
liteweightvidd ahh i am worried i cant do partitioning right on a cli19:49
viddthen once the install is done, and the system starts, run "sudo apt-get install lxde"19:49
viddits a breeze19:50
viddhow do you want it partitioned?19:50
liteweighti want to protect windows partition C:\19:50
Besogonliteweight, can you add more ram? Or you can install Windows 98 ))19:50
liteweightbesogon how could one get windows 98?19:51
viddBesogon, dont recommend ppl install obsolete, no longer updated, and exploited to hell OSes! =]19:51
liteweighti can add more ram but i dont want to19:51
liteweightso i guess i will first install xubuntu and then uninstall xubuntu packages and installing lxde19:52
viddi would not recommend that19:52
viddyou will get a whole bunch of uneeded files19:52
viddif you do cli-only, you will get a (sorta) pristine starting point19:53
Besogonvidd, viruses don't support win 98 now. )) It may be good conclusion. )) And what will he do on this machine at the end?19:53
charlie-tcaBesogon: when did they stop hitting 98?19:53
viddBesogon, if he installs win98, he will be doing whatever all the other zombied machines in his bot-net are doing19:54
charlie-tcaYou can not get updates, including security, which makes it a dangerous system to run19:54
liteweightvidd ok so alt install then i guess i should back up my data then and delete windows19:54
viddno...dont delete....repartition19:54
liteweightok19:55
viddcli will (in my opinion, easier then the live cd) allow you to partition the drive to move windows over to make room19:55
viddooppss...alt...not cli19:56
liteweightyeah19:56
liteweightso is there an ubuntu based lxde?19:56
liteweightlxubuntu19:56
viddyes...it was called ubuntu-light....but they had to rename it19:56
liteweightwhy?19:58
viddcopyright infringement.19:58
liteweighthmm19:59
liteweighti think debian lenny is much faster than ubuntu19:59
liteweightnot as pretty as ubuntu19:59
liteweightbut fast19:59
liteweightand i dont like gnome and firefox anymore20:00
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Besogonliteweight, actually Gentoo fastest distr. And you may use Flux (if it right name).20:02
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knomeselecting the right distro for yourself is also a matter of what do you need and how much you are willing to work to get it working.20:04
knomeubuntu is one of the easiest/lightweight to keep up(-to-date) and working.20:05
liteweightyeah ubuntu is easy20:07
Besogonknome, Is it joke? (why isin english grammar after quastion write "?". You may undestand that is be quastion without "?" Am I right?) liteweight, why dont you buy more faster computer?20:10
knomeBesogon, sorry, i didn't get that line. :)20:12
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johan12any idea when i can update to xfce4.6 with the update manager?21:00
MyrttiApril ;-)21:01
johan12as a noob i'm afraid i have to wait............ :(21:01
brandonban6Anybody test out jackalope alpha?21:22
charlie-tcayes21:22
knomeyes21:22
* charlie-tca beat knome! :-)21:22
knomehehe. :)21:23
vinnlOn it from USB right now :)21:23
DaGr8GatzbyI think I'm going to try the nightly ubuntu release in expert mode21:27
DaGr8GatzbyAlpha 521:27
charlie-tca:-)21:27
charlie-tcavinnl: I think it is still a 'xoopy' generated website21:29
charlie-tcas/xoopy/xoops21:29
charlie-tcabrandonban6: just taking a poll?21:34
cmrnOK, So I have installed drivers for my wireless card, but when I try to connect to my network (WPA2) I put in my password, but it doesn't connect. after a while it asks me for my password again, but it has a weird hash or something prefilled in the password field. Putting in the pwd again and trying again - same thing21:34
cmrnooops21:35
cmrnOK, So I have installed drivers for my wireless card, but when I try to connect to my network (WPA2) I put in my password, but it doesn't connect.21:35
cmrn after a while it asks me for my password again, but it has a weird hash or something in the password field21:35
cmrnmy PC is an eeePC 1000H if you want specifics on the card.21:37
knomecmrn, http://array.org/ubuntu/21:38
cmrnso what? Install the kernel from there?21:44
cmrnbooting into eeePC kernel, brb21:52
m4rkwhere do I go if I want to pimp my xubuntu install? cool desktop, themes, boot screens etc22:12
m4rki need a howto guide also :)22:12
brandonban6charlie-tca,  sorry got called away.......yeah, pretty much just seeing if people were trying it out.22:14
charlie-tcanp, just wondering22:15
charlie-tcaThere are quite a few of us running it now22:15
brandonban6nice.......I've not installed it, i'll upgrade when the release comes out.22:15
brandonban6m4rk, gnome-look.org is good place to start for downloads......there are various tutorials out there on the web, I'm sure a quick google search will get you going.22:16
m4rkthanks!22:18
m4rkhey i just found xfce-look.org22:23
brandonban6m4rk, that's awesome, I didn't know that site was available. Thanks for the note.22:30
knome!themes22:32
ubottuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy22:32
knomehmm...22:32
knome!changethemes22:32
ubottuThemes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+ themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible with your xfce4 desktop. To install themes, unpack it in ~/.themes/  To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/ - Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/ for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop! - See also !themes for other GNOME theme sites22:32
knome^22:32
AquinaSomeone knows why I receive "ERROR: execution of prepared query InsertWatch failed due to constraint failed with return code 19" 5 times in a ro in my ~/.xsession-errors file?22:33
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zoredacheAquina: google seems to suggest it is an issue related to beagle...  See http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-623440.html22:46
JuanLHey Room'22:58
JuanLso yea new version of Pidjin out and i want to update the one i have how do i compile or whatever cause they give me Source instead of a package install type thing going on here22:59
JuanLi got as far as ./configure22:59
JuanLlol22:59
zoredache!compiling23:03
ubottuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)23:03
JuanL!packages23:04
ubottuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!23:04
zoredache!backport23:06
ubottuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging23:06

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