| rickspencer3 | default alt-tab behavior on Kubuntu is very nice | 00:38 |
|---|---|---|
| yuriy | what is the default? with or without effects? | 00:41 |
| smarter | yuriy: with effects if it detects that it works nicely | 00:44 |
| smarter | detection that has been disabled by default on 4.3 because it causes the screen to flicker if I'm not mistaken | 00:45 |
| JontheEchidna | I thought the SuSE randr module caused flicker. Maybe they both did ;P | 00:46 |
| smarter | JontheEchidna: that randr thingy got ditched in 4.2 no? | 00:46 |
| yuriy | i meant the default alt-tab behavior | 00:46 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, it did | 00:46 |
| smarter | cause I still see flicker | 00:46 |
| JontheEchidna | every 10 seconds? | 00:46 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah, I'm 99% certain it's a compiz effect with a reflective table | 00:46 |
| smarter | JontheEchidna: no, when KDE start | 00:47 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, yeah I see that too | 00:47 |
| smarter | I'd be blind else :p | 00:47 |
| yuriy | oh so it's the cover flow thing? I don't like that much | 00:47 |
| rickspencer3 | meh | 00:47 |
| rickspencer3 | I likes | 00:47 |
| smarter | yuriy: it's like 4 clicks to change it :p | 00:47 |
| * smarter liek it too | 00:47 | |
| * JontheEchidna wonders if we still have coverwitch and boxswitch activated at the same time... | 00:47 | |
| smarter | O_o | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | by default | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that was fixed | 00:48 |
| smarter | unfortunately coverswitch doesn't work with XRender :/ | 00:48 |
| smarter | or at least, not here | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I tried it, nor here | 00:49 |
| JontheEchidna | XRendr is 2D accel only iirc | 00:49 |
| smarter | oh, might explain it then :p | 00:49 |
| * JontheEchidna finally got around to removing all the stuff deborphan said he had laying around | 00:51 | |
| JontheEchidna | /me -- the original twitter client | 00:51 |
| seele | rickspencer3: if you like quassel, you should have seen it before the last release | 00:51 |
| smarter | JontheEchidna: never thought of it that way :p | 00:52 |
| smarter | JontheEchidna: deborphan is supposed to be dead since a few release no? | 00:53 |
| smarter | apt-get autoremove/aptitude whatever should do the same | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | apt-get autoremove is insane | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | I removes stuff I actually need | 00:53 |
| JontheEchidna | deborphan's still in universe by the looks of it | 00:54 |
| DreadKnight | omg, blender can't be installed anymore... | 01:10 |
| DreadKnight | https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTEyMjU2MTk | 01:12 |
| DreadKnight | ops | 01:12 |
| DreadKnight | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 01:12 |
| DreadKnight | blender: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 01:12 |
| DreadKnight | T_T | 01:14 |
| ScottK | DreadKnight: Relax. We're in the middle of a Python transition right now. | 01:25 |
| DreadKnight | installed blender on wine already >_< | 01:25 |
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| maco | any reports of kmail plowing through cpu cycles? kio_imap4 is using 100% cpu, and kmail's not even checking for mail right now! | 03:12 |
| JontheEchidna | I haven't seen any yet | 03:13 |
| maco | ok then | 03:13 |
| maco | >< killing kmail didn't make it stop | 03:14 |
| ScottK | ergo it's not kmail. | 03:17 |
| JontheEchidna | the kio slaves run independent of programs, usually | 03:17 |
| Quintasan | \o | 09:50 |
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| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | ||
| mkulke_ | anyone using pyqt/kde? i have a problem that when i want to connect a signal of my qobject derived python object, to a slot in a kmainwindow, python bails out w/: QObject.connect(self.session, SIGNAL("whop(int)"), self.transfer), RuntimeError: underlying C/C++ object has been deleted | 11:34 |
| mkulke_ | what am i doing wrong here? | 11:34 |
| smarter | Sime is probably the guy to ask ;) | 11:39 |
| Riddell | mkulke_: able to give us the code to run? | 11:44 |
| mkulke_ | uhm, yes | 11:45 |
| mkulke_ | 1 sec | 11:45 |
| smarter | what type of objects are self.session and self.transfer? | 11:47 |
| smarter | this thread may be relevant: http://markmail.org/message/si3imcn7k4anefqw#query:pyqt "RuntimeError+page:1+mid:xmx6b2hqmnk7gsvb+state:results | 11:47 |
| mkulke_ | Riddell: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/ | 11:47 |
| mkulke_ | it's kasablanca.py | 11:47 |
| mkulke_ | smarter: self.session is a Session object, derived from QObject | 11:47 |
| smarter | mkulke_: does a print self.session works? | 11:48 |
| smarter | (instead of the connect) | 11:48 |
| mkulke_ | yes | 11:48 |
| mkulke_ | <session.Session object at 0xb4a1de6c> | 11:49 |
| Riddell | what about QObject.connect -> self.connect | 11:49 |
| mkulke_ | self.transfer is a KasablancaMainWindow method | 11:49 |
| mkulke_ | tried that | 11:50 |
| mkulke_ | logically it should be self.session.connect i guess | 11:50 |
| mkulke_ | but it does not matter really | 11:50 |
| mkulke_ | non custom signal/slot stuff works | 11:50 |
| smarter | what if you remove the second arg to self.transfer in kasablanca.py? | 11:51 |
| smarter | def transfer(self): ... | 11:51 |
| mkulke_ | no effect | 11:52 |
| mkulke_ | i wonder whether there's more to it, than just deriving an object from QObject to make it issue signals? | 11:52 |
| smarter | in C++ you have to add the macro Q_OBJECT, no idea if there's something like that in PyQt :p | 11:53 |
| mkulke_ | yeah i know, i am used to c++ qt | 11:53 |
| Riddell | mkulke_: how do I get settingswidget.py ? | 11:54 |
| mkulke_ | pyuic4 settingswidget.ui > ui_settingswidget.py | 11:55 |
| mkulke_ | i guess you meant that | 11:55 |
| mkulke_ | smarter: so far converting to "rapid development" thingie w/ python hasn't worked out for me. i spent hours to figure out stuff like this :) | 11:56 |
| smarter | hehe | 11:56 |
| Sime | mkulke_: what is self.session? | 11:57 |
| smarter | Sime: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/ kasablanca.py | 11:58 |
| mkulke_ | Sime: a Session object (class derived from QObject) | 11:58 |
| mkulke_ | maybe i need some kind of "super" call in the Session constructor to make Session signal/slot-able | 11:59 |
| Riddell | mkulke_: I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/124227/ | 11:59 |
| Sime | mkulke_: that old chess-nut. Your Session object doesn't have a QObject because you didn't call QObject.__init__() | 11:59 |
| Sime | mkulke_: more or less what you just said. ;-) | 12:00 |
| Riddell | what a really confusing error message | 12:00 |
| Sime | not really, when you keep in mind that the python objects 'wrap' matching c++ objects. | 12:01 |
| mkulke_ | heureka! | 12:06 |
| mkulke_ | that's it. thanks alot Riddell, smarter, Sime | 12:06 |
| smarter | you're welcome :) | 12:06 |
| * smarter will keep that in mind next time he does pyqt :p | 12:06 | |
| mkulke_ | Riddell: why you do not get settingswidget.py remains a mystery to me tho | 12:07 |
| mkulke_ | i just checked out svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk | 12:08 |
| Riddell | mkulke_: well you told me to name it ui_settingswidget.py | 12:08 |
| mkulke_ | no | 12:08 |
| mkulke_ | the settingswidget.ui file is compiled (or whatever) into a ui_*.py file using pyuic4 | 12:08 |
| Riddell | so where does settingswidget.py come from? | 12:10 |
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| Riddell | aah | 12:10 |
| Riddell | it's in svn | 12:10 |
| Riddell | but I overwrote it when I first compiles the .ui file | 12:10 |
| mkulke_ | ah,k | 12:11 |
| mkulke_ | how do i package this python stuff btw? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | into a .deb? | 12:12 |
| mkulke_ | yeah, but also generally | 12:12 |
| mkulke_ | should the the .py files be put into a module or sth? | 12:13 |
| Riddell | you can use cmake, take a look at printer-applet in kdeadmin for example | 12:13 |
| Riddell | kdeutils rather | 12:13 |
| Riddell | or system-config-printer-kde in kdeadmin | 12:14 |
| mkulke_ | and as the backend of the app is a c++ kio-slave, can i deliver it w/ the python app or should they be seperate packages | 12:14 |
| Riddell | it'll just install the files to /usr/share/kde4/apps/<appname>/<filename> and install a symlink from /usr/bin | 12:14 |
| Riddell | they should be fine together | 12:14 |
| mkulke_ | ok | 12:15 |
| smarter | anyone could give me an account on a server somewhere to run QuasselCore? People are getting annoyed with my disconnections :p | 12:18 |
| * Hobbsee wonders what quasselcore requires to run | 12:19 | |
| smarter | Hobbsee: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-network (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-script (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), adduser, openssl, libqt4-sql-sqlite | 12:27 |
| smarter | so, no X11 | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | hrm | 12:27 |
| * Hobbsee wonders why it depends on adduser? | 12:28 | |
| smarter | because it creates a quassel/quassel user/group | 12:28 |
| smarter | to runs the daemon | 12:28 |
| smarter | like apache and others do | 12:29 |
| smarter | *run | 12:29 |
| mkulke_ | a.emit(QtCore.SIGNAL("pySig"), "Hello", "World") <- this is wrong, i guess | 12:33 |
| mkulke_ | i got the line from the riverbankcomputing reference | 12:33 |
| mkulke_ | self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer(PyQt_PyObject, QString)"), self, fileName) works for me | 12:33 |
| Sime | that looks better | 12:34 |
| mkulke_ | but self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer"), self, fileName) doesn't | 12:34 |
| mkulke_ | http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/static/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html#emitting-signals | 12:34 |
| Sime | are you going from a python object to another python object? | 12:36 |
| Sime | connecting to a c++ might require mroe specific args in the signal | 12:36 |
| mkulke_ | both are python objects | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | smarter: yeah....but....there's no need to depend on something in minimal ;) | 12:37 |
| Sime | BRB | 12:37 |
| * Hobbsee hopes it's not a hardcoded dependancy | 12:37 | |
| smarter | Hobbsee: oh, probably :p | 12:37 |
| * Hobbsee twitches | 12:38 | |
| * Hobbsee wonders if it has any other interesting packaging bits in it, then | 12:38 | |
| JontheEchidna | holy crap | 12:50 |
| JontheEchidna | my inbox just got flooded with translation imports | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | welcome to launchpad! ;) | 12:50 |
| * Hobbsee advocates blackholing anything from launchpad, and then pulling out specifically based on headers things you're interested in | 12:51 | |
| JontheEchidna | well, at least I know that ktorrent should be good for translations except Bulgarian | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:54 |
| a|wen- | JontheEchidna: you're a MOTU right? | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen-: yes | 13:01 |
| a|wen- | JontheEchidna: i have a new svn snapshot of kile ready; is that something you could upload? | 13:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, I could sponsor that | 13:15 |
| a|wen- | JontheEchidna: cool ... http://awen.dk/packages/kile/ | 13:15 |
| * JontheEchidna looks | 13:17 | |
| JontheEchidna | Looks good, I can upload after it pbuilds | 13:20 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Please pile onto Bug 335831 | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 335831 in launchpad "New translation import notification system is wrong on many levels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335831 | 13:22 |
| ScottK | Good $TIMEOFDAY all. | 13:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you get a chance to look at my proposal for pkg-kde-tools (see my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/)? | 13:23 |
| a|wen- | good weekend (that should be agreeable at least) ScottK | 13:25 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen-: I have to go in a bit, I may not have enough time to finish the testbuild so I might have to upload when I get home. (Unless you can find someone else to sponsor it) | 13:33 |
| * JontheEchidna will try to to it before he goes, though | 13:34 | |
| a|wen- | JontheEchidna: no problem; it can wait till you get home if it is | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm going up to Portland, Maine to visit relatives, so I may not get back until late. (FYI) | 13:38 |
| JontheEchidna | doesn't look like it will be built in time :( | 13:38 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 13:40 |
| a|wen- | JontheEchidna: oh, okay... the large part is downloading, the build in itself only takes a few minutes | 13:41 |
| a|wen- | hi Tonio_ | 13:41 |
| Tonio_ | isn't anyone reviewing NEW now ? knemo is stuck there for a couple of weeks now... | 13:42 |
| smarter | Tonio_: ask Riddell :) | 13:43 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: yeah, but he already has so much to do... | 13:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well, when you have a moment, knemo used to be a very popular kde3 app, getting the kde4 version in the repos could be interesting ! | 13:44 |
| smarter | that's why Canonical is hiring KDE devs | 13:44 |
| ScottK | smarter: No. It's not. These people are specificially not being hired to work on the Kubuntu work we already do. They are being hired to "improve the desktop experience". | 14:55 |
| smarter | ScottK: which means...? :) | 14:56 |
| ScottK | Hopefully something better for us than what it's currently meaning for Ubuntu. | 14:56 |
| * ScottK heads out .... | 14:57 | |
| smarter | haha* | 14:57 |
| smarter | see you | 14:57 |
| Hobbsee | good thing a lot of the people who have tried it like it, then. | 15:02 |
| freeflying | when enable desktop effect(intel's graphic card), toolbar from a lot kde4 applicatons won't be re-drawn | 15:14 |
| freeflying | any of you encountered? | 15:14 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: I have lots of redraw issues since we went to use qt4.5 | 15:32 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: I suspect qt is the guilty there | 15:33 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I also pretty fundamentally object to changing long standing system functions with little notification (pun intended) and then declaring all applications which don't conform t the new assumptions broken. | 15:34 |
| ScottK | Fortunately, at least for the one who's announced himself, the KDE people actually have FOSS experience so I expect it will go better for us. | 15:35 |
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| freeflying | Tonio_: this sound make sense :) | 15:41 |
| Quintasan | \ | 17:34 |
| Quintasan | erm.. Hi | 17:34 |
| DaSkreech | hi | 17:45 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Please have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmp/2.5.1-1ubuntu1/+build/864804/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.xmp_2.5.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - if I read it right audacious-plugins still has some attachment to arts. | 17:45 |
| * a|wen looks | 17:48 | |
| a|wen | ScottK: have we been through some libjack-transition as well in jaunty? | 17:53 |
| ScottK | Not AFAIK. It is broken on some of the ports archs. I don't know enough to fix it. | 17:54 |
| a|wen | the problem is that the new audacious-plugins with arts removed didn't get build due to libjack problems | 17:54 |
| a|wen | ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious-plugins/1.5.1-2ubuntu3/+build/864972/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.audacious-plugins_1.5.1-2ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:55 |
| * ScottK idly whistles and wonders who might have a look at that. | 17:55 | |
| ScottK | a|wen: I dont know how to fix it. | 17:56 |
| Nightrose | weeeeeeeee | 17:57 |
| Nightrose | got my Kubuntu stickers! | 17:58 |
| Nightrose | thanks Riddell :) | 17:58 |
| * Tm_T has big issues with dbus | 18:01 | |
| Tm_T | who knows where does dbus session get its path and other variables? | 18:01 |
| Tm_T | in KDE session that is | 18:02 |
| a|wen | ScottK: seems it might be due to libffado not building on a lot of arches | 18:02 |
| ScottK | OK. Can that be fixed? | 18:03 |
| a|wen | it spits out some int/long/uint32/64 mismatch ... not exactly something i know anything about; so bring in the ports experts | 18:07 |
| ScottK-palm | Battery just went on my laptop. | 18:11 |
| ScottK-palm | NCommander is the one you want. | 18:11 |
| ScottK-palm | I expect getting that one fixed would enable a lot of stuff to get built on these archs. | 18:11 |
| a|wen | i'll put my faith in NCommander :) | 18:20 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: thanks for stickers | 18:25 |
| * Lure_ did not know that even his daughters would love to have some ;-) | 18:26 | |
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| Quintasan | Hmm can anyone (jaunty) install skim and tell me if kmenu icon appears for him? | 18:27 |
| Quintasan | hmm still not fixed | 18:28 |
| DaSkreech | Anyone here uses lancelot ? | 18:35 |
| DaSkreech | Though Kickoff has a slightly similar bug | 18:36 |
| Quintasan | hmm, in which file I can check for filesystem error? dmesg logs dont contain any | 18:40 |
| Quintasan | grr something freezes my system it usually occurs when copying or deleting files, I can't tell whats the cause | 18:45 |
| smarter | Tonio_: kpackagekit binary package still needs to have a dep on packagekit added :) | 18:53 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: I know :) | 18:54 |
| smarter | ok | 18:54 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: that'll happen when I upload version 0.4 | 18:54 |
| * smarter just upgraded to Jaunty and that confused him | 18:54 | |
| rgreening | Tonio_: yay | 18:55 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: e just have to wait for glatzor ;) | 18:55 |
| rgreening | ty. Tonio_can you also ping the guys who manage packagekit lp and get them to auth my request to join the team. | 18:55 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:55 |
| smarter | I installed packagekit, killall-ed kpackagekit, but when I try to do anything I get "Authentication failed" | 18:56 |
| rgreening | smarter, even teh smart icon one? | 18:56 |
| smarter | hmm, I didn't check if it was really killed | 18:56 |
| rgreening | try a reboot to be sure | 18:56 |
| smarter | ok | 18:57 |
| rgreening | and they run as root | 18:57 |
| rgreening | so you have to kill via sudo | 18:57 |
| rgreening | if you missed that | 18:57 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Get your app done? | 19:02 |
| rgreening | fell asleep. then got a call 4 hrs later. network probs at work. | 19:04 |
| rgreening | and Im still at work now.. grrr... | 19:04 |
| rgreening | stupid failing fiber bulkheads. | 19:04 |
| rgreening | hairline fracture in the ceramic core. was a pain to troubleshoot and find | 19:04 |
| rgreening | at least it seems resolved and I can get back to this. | 19:05 |
| claydoh | w00t! stickers! air mail from London, wow | 19:39 |
| claydoh | thanks Riddell!! | 19:40 |
| ghostcube | anyone needs an wlan get hacked :D | 19:41 |
| ghostcube | aircrack has an new iso on the road | 19:41 |
| DaSkreech | smarter: ping | 19:41 |
| nixternal | claydoh: send me some stickers | 19:42 |
| claydoh | nixternal: got plenty, more than happy to | 19:44 |
| DaSkreech | Quintasan: File system ? | 19:44 |
| Quintasan | DaSkreech: yeah, I've found a bug on launchpad for it | 19:45 |
| DaSkreech | Quintasan: ok | 19:45 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: When you get some stickers. Send me some stickers :) | 19:45 |
| claydoh | lol | 19:45 |
| Quintasan | My system freezes while deleting or moving big portions of data, using 2.6.28-8 and ext4, no errors in dmesg log or any other. Last time my .kde was eaten by it | 19:46 |
| Quintasan | I didn't want stickers, but now I do -_-' | 19:47 |
| seele | i think theyre on the ubuntu store now | 19:47 |
| seele | or will be soon | 19:47 |
| nixternal | seele: they don't have any Kubuntu stuff on the US store :( | 19:47 |
| nixternal | yet that is | 19:47 |
| jjesse | nixternal: did you go hang out at the chicago tea party today? | 19:47 |
| nixternal | jjesse: that was yesterday and I totaly missed | 19:48 |
| nixternal | it | 19:48 |
| jjesse | bummer :) | 19:48 |
| Quintasan | seele: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=418&osCsid=b2d2b1bdeec1298a90588edbeddf43e7 | 19:48 |
| Quintasan | :P | 19:48 |
| nixternal | jjesse: from what I saw on the news, they had a good crowd too | 19:49 |
| jjesse | that's what i heard as well, but don't want to go too far off topic anymore:) | 19:49 |
| nixternal | hehe | 19:49 |
| seele | Quintasan: ive got stickers :P | 19:52 |
| Quintasan | seele: :3 | 19:52 |
| smarter | DaSkreech: pong | 19:53 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Whoot | 19:53 |
| DaSkreech | smarter: kvkbd | 19:53 |
| smarter | yes? :) | 19:54 |
| DaSkreech | how many languages does it do | 19:54 |
| DaSkreech | Or rather how many keyboard layouts? | 19:54 |
| smarter | it gets the mapping from X | 19:54 |
| DaSkreech | Ah so as many as X does | 19:55 |
| smarter | yep | 19:55 |
| smarter | I'll probably change that | 19:55 |
| smarter | since the KDE thing to change keyboard layout doesn't use whatever kvkbd use to retrieve the layout | 19:55 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah that was my next question | 19:56 |
| DaSkreech | damn it | 19:56 |
| DaSkreech | Now I have to think of a new one | 19:56 |
| DaSkreech | ummmm | 19:56 |
| DaSkreech | How about them SVGs? :-) | 19:56 |
| ghostcube | anyone here writing for wiki.ubuntuusers.de ?? | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | best wiki ever | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | !!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:58 |
| ghostcube | :) | 19:58 |
| smarter | DaSkreech: First, i'll make the background color configurable, svgs will come after :p | 19:59 |
| smarter | but first first first thing is to document it/fix it a bit | 19:59 |
| DaSkreech | ok I just really wanted to know about keyboard layout | 20:00 |
| DaSkreech | in case I'm going to some strange country I can figure out the keybaords before I go :) | 20:00 |
| DaSkreech | boards | 20:00 |
| smarter | I haven't touched it since october, and I've become quiet a lot better in coding since then :) | 20:02 |
| smarter | setxkbmap fr | 20:03 |
| smarter | you get french keyboard: p | 20:03 |
| smarter | actually, the default for France is setxkbmap fr oss | 20:03 |
| smarter | oh, the custom about:konqueror is feeling a bit... empty :] | 20:03 |
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| DaSkreech | jjesse: how goes? | 20:37 |
| quassel208 | guys a boot up time from 20 sec with alpha software from intel | 21:02 |
| smarter | what alpha software? | 21:04 |
| a|wen | DreadKnight: your missing buddy icons with yahoo in kopete is fixed in kde 4.2.1 | 21:07 |
| quassel208 | smarter moblin aplha 20, i booted up in 20 sec with a normall sata 3 hd | 22:13 |
| smarter | quassel208: pretty cool | 22:14 |
| quassel208 | trying with fedora sources to get kde4.2 on it, because xfce isnt my thing | 22:15 |
| DreadKnight | a|wen: i know that bug has been fixed quite a few days now | 22:21 |
| DreadKnight | but teoretically it will take about 10 months to have it fixed in official kubuntu i think (unless ported to a .1 version) | 22:22 |
| a|wen | DreadKnight: it will be in 4.2.1 due out in less than a week | 22:23 |
| DreadKnight | or will get into 9.04? | 22:23 |
| DreadKnight | cool | 22:23 |
| DreadKnight | last time i checked file transfer was phail in kopete over yahoo as well | 22:23 |
| DreadKnight | even crashed it | 22:24 |
| DreadKnight | haven't checked the status in bugzilla about that one | 22:24 |
| a|wen | so will be in 9.04 ... and you should be able to get it from the kubuntu-experimental ppa for intrepid in ~week | 22:24 |
| DreadKnight | and as far as i noticed, i don't even receive offline messeges over MSN protocol.. that's scary | 22:25 |
| * DaSkreech doesn't recieve any messages over MSN protocol | 22:26 | |
| rgreening | seele: hey seele | 22:26 |
| DreadKnight | anyway, i think kopete is rather ugly when it comes to usability and even default settings | 22:26 |
| DreadKnight | i can't even copy or click links from my contact's status messeges.. not cool | 22:27 |
| DaSkreech | DreadKnight: I can | 22:32 |
| DreadKnight | DaSkreech: how? :P | 22:33 |
| DaSkreech | DreadKnight: Normally I either click on the link or I drag it to where I want it | 22:33 |
| DreadKnight | DaSkreech: from the contact list? :P | 22:34 |
| DreadKnight | i said from status messege, not conversation | 22:36 |
| DaSkreech | Oh I don't know | 22:37 |
| DaSkreech | I don't have anyone who has a URL in the status message | 22:37 |
| DaSkreech | can't think of when last I saw on | 22:37 |
| DaSkreech | one | 22:37 |
| DreadKnight | :P | 22:38 |
| DreadKnight | kopete is damn awefull atm no matter what you guys say | 22:38 |
| DreadKnight | typical case scenario is that people place links in statuses "i love this song" and some youtube link; or "new post on my blog" and yet again link | 22:39 |
| DreadKnight | etc | 22:39 |
| DreadKnight | and by default people want to see the avatars in contact list, like in every other IM application out there | 22:40 |
| DreadKnight | which wasn't default for me | 22:40 |
| DreadKnight | finding the account manager is sort of like hidden... somewhere in the menus.. in settings or something | 22:40 |
| DaSkreech | huh? | 22:41 |
| DreadKnight | i can go on with a lot of things; might as well make a blog post and put feed into k/ubuntu planet | 22:41 |
| DaSkreech | It's the first thing that pops up when ou open Kopete | 22:41 |
| DreadKnight | that's first time wizard :P | 22:42 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 22:43 |
| DaSkreech | After that it's at the bottom of your contact window | 22:43 |
| DreadKnight | can you add a new account from there etc? | 22:44 |
| DaSkreech | i would guess so it takes you to account management | 22:45 |
| DreadKnight | i closed it a while ago... made me phail exams even more than pidgin xD | 22:46 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not aruging that kopete doesn't need help. My arguement is who will help them | 22:46 |
| DreadKnight | i agree | 22:47 |
| DreadKnight | but i'm trying to pinpoint things that are fugly with them and how to make them better | 22:47 |
| DaSkreech | They have a set of Juniour Jobs on Techbase | 22:47 |
| DaSkreech | Just add them to it with a starter for how to make it better | 22:47 |
| DreadKnight | perhaps swap the crappy 'account manager' thingy at the botton and have an icon in the main toolbar that takes you to the real account manager thingy | 22:48 |
| DreadKnight | juniour jobs? | 22:48 |
| DaSkreech | Small things that need changing | 22:48 |
| DreadKnight | hmm | 22:48 |
| DaSkreech | there are only a few Kopete developers | 22:48 |
| DaSkreech | and they focus mostly on protocol stuff which isn't easy | 22:49 |
| DaSkreech | GUI stuff can be done my someone who isn't that specialized | 22:49 |
| DreadKnight | in most of the kubuntu planet blog posts containing images of kde desktops... most of them had pidgin in them | 22:49 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah well they have 3 paid developers working on it | 22:49 |
| DaSkreech | That's three more paid developers than work on Kopete | 22:50 |
| DaSkreech | and more devs than continuiously work on kopete | 22:50 |
| DreadKnight | ok found the junior jobs | 22:50 |
| DreadKnight | well, GUI really sucks overall atm | 22:50 |
| DaSkreech | Make it as detailed as possible and outline what the participant will need | 22:51 |
| DaSkreech | to know to start | 22:51 |
| DreadKnight | and saying it's how things are supposed to be because kopete supports so many protocols is a lame argument (someone here said that argument) | 22:52 |
| DreadKnight | there was a closed source IM app supporting multiple protocols and it was looking quite good... miranda i think... there are also some new ones out there.. even crossplatform | 22:52 |
| DreadKnight | ok | 22:52 |
| DaSkreech | Miranda is closed source? | 22:54 |
| DaSkreech | !info miranda | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Package miranda does not exist in intrepid | 22:54 |
| DreadKnight | DaSkreech: yeah... for windowz.. or was it mirana... let me google for some stuff | 22:56 |
| DaSkreech | No it's miranda | 22:56 |
| DaSkreech | It's open source I just didn't know it's Windows only | 22:56 |
| DreadKnight | http://www.miranda-im.org/ | 22:57 |
| DreadKnight | open source indeed | 22:57 |
| seele | rgreening: pong | 22:57 |
| DaSkreech | I like the Identity paradigm in kopete better than that | 22:57 |
| DreadKnight | hmm http://www.trillian.im/ | 22:59 |
| DreadKnight | there are others i don't remember the name | 22:59 |
| DaSkreech | I know trillian | 23:00 |
| DreadKnight | http://www.trillian.cc/ | 23:01 |
| DreadKnight | 2 versions | 23:01 |
| DaSkreech | I know one you have to purchase | 23:01 |
| DreadKnight | or 3 | 23:01 |
| DaSkreech | a different interface for one that you don't | 23:01 |
| DaSkreech | AIR they have a third interface that's the new rewrite | 23:02 |
| DreadKnight | so basic... pro.... and astra (beta) | 23:02 |
| DaSkreech | Yes | 23:02 |
| DreadKnight | a bit confusing with all those versions; but they could serve a little bit as inspiration (how trillian and others handle GUI related stuff) | 23:03 |
| DaSkreech | You could submit stuff to kopete :) | 23:05 |
| DreadKnight | getting now a techbase account | 23:06 |
| DreadKnight | i sort of hate it that all IM apps use plain lists and categories.. i find it so crappy... | 23:07 |
| DreadKnight | would be cool to manage contacts with tags (like files with akonady) and um... see them like icons in dolphin | 23:08 |
| DaSkreech | DreadKnight: planned as I understand it | 23:09 |
| DreadKnight | :) | 23:09 |
| DaSkreech | again there are very few devs on Kopete and stuff like Nepomuk integration is heavy lifting | 23:10 |
| DreadKnight | i'll see what's up with the kopete irc channel | 23:10 |
| DreadKnight | cool | 23:10 |
| DaSkreech | really what they need is a group of smaller devs dealing with less "important" stuff | 23:10 |
| DreadKnight | mhm | 23:11 |
| DaSkreech | If you would like to do mockups of ideas that would help as it would give new contributors a clear idea as to what to do | 23:11 |
| DaSkreech | as long as it's not a drive by mockup :) | 23:11 |
| DreadKnight | yes | 23:13 |
| quassel208 | guys can you do that with kubuntu boot up within 20 sec? | 23:26 |
| DreadKnight | not me at least T_T | 23:29 |
| sebas | My BIOS alone takes 30-ish seconds | 23:51 |
| sebas | That makes my cry (and use suspend) | 23:51 |
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