[00:38] default alt-tab behavior on Kubuntu is very nice [00:41] what is the default? with or without effects? [00:44] yuriy: with effects if it detects that it works nicely [00:45] detection that has been disabled by default on 4.3 because it causes the screen to flicker if I'm not mistaken [00:46] I thought the SuSE randr module caused flicker. Maybe they both did ;P [00:46] JontheEchidna: that randr thingy got ditched in 4.2 no? [00:46] i meant the default alt-tab behavior [00:46] yeah, it did [00:46] cause I still see flicker [00:46] every 10 seconds? [00:46] yeah, I'm 99% certain it's a compiz effect with a reflective table [00:47] JontheEchidna: no, when KDE start [00:47] oh, yeah I see that too [00:47] I'd be blind else :p [00:47] oh so it's the cover flow thing? I don't like that much [00:47] meh [00:47] I likes [00:47] yuriy: it's like 4 clicks to change it :p [00:47] * smarter liek it too [00:47] * JontheEchidna wonders if we still have coverwitch and boxswitch activated at the same time... [00:48] O_o [00:48] by default [00:48] oh, that was fixed [00:48] unfortunately coverswitch doesn't work with XRender :/ [00:48] or at least, not here [00:49] I tried it, nor here [00:49] XRendr is 2D accel only iirc [00:49] oh, might explain it then :p [00:51] * JontheEchidna finally got around to removing all the stuff deborphan said he had laying around [00:51] /me -- the original twitter client [00:51] rickspencer3: if you like quassel, you should have seen it before the last release [00:52] JontheEchidna: never thought of it that way :p [00:53] JontheEchidna: deborphan is supposed to be dead since a few release no? [00:53] apt-get autoremove/aptitude whatever should do the same [00:53] apt-get autoremove is insane [00:53] I removes stuff I actually need [00:54] deborphan's still in universe by the looks of it [01:10] omg, blender can't be installed anymore... [01:12] https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTEyMjU2MTk [01:12] ops [01:12] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [01:12] blender: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [01:14] T_T [01:25] DreadKnight: Relax. We're in the middle of a Python transition right now. [01:25] installed blender on wine already >_< === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [03:12] any reports of kmail plowing through cpu cycles? kio_imap4 is using 100% cpu, and kmail's not even checking for mail right now! [03:13] I haven't seen any yet [03:13] ok then [03:14] >< killing kmail didn't make it stop [03:17] ergo it's not kmail. [03:17] the kio slaves run independent of programs, usually [09:50] \o === smarter is now known as smarter_ === smarter_ is now known as smarter [11:34] anyone using pyqt/kde? i have a problem that when i want to connect a signal of my qobject derived python object, to a slot in a kmainwindow, python bails out w/: QObject.connect(self.session, SIGNAL("whop(int)"), self.transfer), RuntimeError: underlying C/C++ object has been deleted [11:34] what am i doing wrong here? [11:39] Sime is probably the guy to ask ;) [11:44] mkulke_: able to give us the code to run? [11:45] uhm, yes [11:45] 1 sec [11:47] what type of objects are self.session and self.transfer? [11:47] this thread may be relevant: http://markmail.org/message/si3imcn7k4anefqw#query:pyqt "RuntimeError+page:1+mid:xmx6b2hqmnk7gsvb+state:results [11:47] Riddell: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/ [11:47] it's kasablanca.py [11:47] smarter: self.session is a Session object, derived from QObject [11:48] mkulke_: does a print self.session works? [11:48] (instead of the connect) [11:48] yes [11:49] [11:49] what about QObject.connect -> self.connect [11:49] self.transfer is a KasablancaMainWindow method [11:50] tried that [11:50] logically it should be self.session.connect i guess [11:50] but it does not matter really [11:50] non custom signal/slot stuff works [11:51] what if you remove the second arg to self.transfer in kasablanca.py? [11:51] def transfer(self): ... [11:52] no effect [11:52] i wonder whether there's more to it, than just deriving an object from QObject to make it issue signals? [11:53] in C++ you have to add the macro Q_OBJECT, no idea if there's something like that in PyQt :p [11:53] yeah i know, i am used to c++ qt [11:54] mkulke_: how do I get settingswidget.py ? [11:55] pyuic4 settingswidget.ui > ui_settingswidget.py [11:55] i guess you meant that [11:56] smarter: so far converting to "rapid development" thingie w/ python hasn't worked out for me. i spent hours to figure out stuff like this :) [11:56] hehe [11:57] mkulke_: what is self.session? [11:58] Sime: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/ kasablanca.py [11:58] Sime: a Session object (class derived from QObject) [11:59] maybe i need some kind of "super" call in the Session constructor to make Session signal/slot-able [11:59] mkulke_: I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/124227/ [11:59] mkulke_: that old chess-nut. Your Session object doesn't have a QObject because you didn't call QObject.__init__() [12:00] mkulke_: more or less what you just said. ;-) [12:00] what a really confusing error message [12:01] not really, when you keep in mind that the python objects 'wrap' matching c++ objects. [12:06] heureka! [12:06] that's it. thanks alot Riddell, smarter, Sime [12:06] you're welcome :) [12:06] * smarter will keep that in mind next time he does pyqt :p [12:07] Riddell: why you do not get settingswidget.py remains a mystery to me tho [12:08] i just checked out svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk [12:08] mkulke_: well you told me to name it ui_settingswidget.py [12:08] no [12:08] the settingswidget.ui file is compiled (or whatever) into a ui_*.py file using pyuic4 [12:10] so where does settingswidget.py come from? === milian_ is now known as milian [12:10] aah [12:10] it's in svn [12:10] but I overwrote it when I first compiles the .ui file [12:11] ah,k [12:12] how do i package this python stuff btw? [12:12] into a .deb? [12:12] yeah, but also generally [12:13] should the the .py files be put into a module or sth? [12:13] you can use cmake, take a look at printer-applet in kdeadmin for example [12:13] kdeutils rather [12:14] or system-config-printer-kde in kdeadmin [12:14] and as the backend of the app is a c++ kio-slave, can i deliver it w/ the python app or should they be seperate packages [12:14] it'll just install the files to /usr/share/kde4/apps// and install a symlink from /usr/bin [12:14] they should be fine together [12:15] ok [12:18] anyone could give me an account on a server somewhere to run QuasselCore? People are getting annoyed with my disconnections :p [12:19] * Hobbsee wonders what quasselcore requires to run [12:27] Hobbsee: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-network (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-script (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), adduser, openssl, libqt4-sql-sqlite [12:27] so, no X11 [12:27] hrm [12:28] * Hobbsee wonders why it depends on adduser? [12:28] because it creates a quassel/quassel user/group [12:28] to runs the daemon [12:29] like apache and others do [12:29] *run [12:33] a.emit(QtCore.SIGNAL("pySig"), "Hello", "World") <- this is wrong, i guess [12:33] i got the line from the riverbankcomputing reference [12:33] self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer(PyQt_PyObject, QString)"), self, fileName) works for me [12:34] that looks better [12:34] but self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer"), self, fileName) doesn't [12:34] http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/static/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html#emitting-signals [12:36] are you going from a python object to another python object? [12:36] connecting to a c++ might require mroe specific args in the signal [12:36] both are python objects [12:37] smarter: yeah....but....there's no need to depend on something in minimal ;) [12:37] BRB [12:37] * Hobbsee hopes it's not a hardcoded dependancy [12:37] Hobbsee: oh, probably :p [12:38] * Hobbsee twitches [12:38] * Hobbsee wonders if it has any other interesting packaging bits in it, then [12:50] holy crap [12:50] my inbox just got flooded with translation imports [12:50] welcome to launchpad! ;) [12:51] * Hobbsee advocates blackholing anything from launchpad, and then pulling out specifically based on headers things you're interested in [12:53] well, at least I know that ktorrent should be good for translations except Bulgarian [12:54] hehe [12:56] JontheEchidna: you're a MOTU right? [13:01] a|wen-: yes [13:15] JontheEchidna: i have a new svn snapshot of kile ready; is that something you could upload? [13:15] Yeah, I could sponsor that [13:15] JontheEchidna: cool ... http://awen.dk/packages/kile/ [13:17] * JontheEchidna looks [13:20] Looks good, I can upload after it pbuilds [13:22] JontheEchidna: Please pile onto Bug 335831 [13:22] Launchpad bug 335831 in launchpad "New translation import notification system is wrong on many levels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335831 [13:22] Good $TIMEOFDAY all. [13:23] Riddell: Did you get a chance to look at my proposal for pkg-kde-tools (see my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/)? [13:25] good weekend (that should be agreeable at least) ScottK [13:33] a|wen-: I have to go in a bit, I may not have enough time to finish the testbuild so I might have to upload when I get home. (Unless you can find someone else to sponsor it) [13:34] * JontheEchidna will try to to it before he goes, though [13:34] JontheEchidna: no problem; it can wait till you get home if it is [13:38] I'm going up to Portland, Maine to visit relatives, so I may not get back until late. (FYI) [13:38] doesn't look like it will be built in time :( [13:40] hi there [13:41] JontheEchidna: oh, okay... the large part is downloading, the build in itself only takes a few minutes [13:41] hi Tonio_ [13:42] isn't anyone reviewing NEW now ? knemo is stuck there for a couple of weeks now... [13:43] Tonio_: ask Riddell :) [13:43] smarter: yeah, but he already has so much to do... [13:44] Riddell: well, when you have a moment, knemo used to be a very popular kde3 app, getting the kde4 version in the repos could be interesting ! [13:44] that's why Canonical is hiring KDE devs [14:55] smarter: No. It's not. These people are specificially not being hired to work on the Kubuntu work we already do. They are being hired to "improve the desktop experience". [14:56] ScottK: which means...? :) [14:56] Hopefully something better for us than what it's currently meaning for Ubuntu. [14:57] * ScottK heads out .... [14:57] haha* [14:57] see you [15:02] good thing a lot of the people who have tried it like it, then. [15:14] when enable desktop effect(intel's graphic card), toolbar from a lot kde4 applicatons won't be re-drawn [15:14] any of you encountered? [15:32] freeflying: I have lots of redraw issues since we went to use qt4.5 [15:33] freeflying: I suspect qt is the guilty there [15:34] Hobbsee: I also pretty fundamentally object to changing long standing system functions with little notification (pun intended) and then declaring all applications which don't conform t the new assumptions broken. [15:35] Fortunately, at least for the one who's announced himself, the KDE people actually have FOSS experience so I expect it will go better for us. === smarter_ is now known as smarter === a|wen- is now known as a|wen [15:41] Tonio_: this sound make sense :) [17:34] \ [17:34] erm.. Hi [17:45] hi [17:45] a|wen: Please have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmp/2.5.1-1ubuntu1/+build/864804/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.xmp_2.5.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - if I read it right audacious-plugins still has some attachment to arts. [17:48] * a|wen looks [17:53] ScottK: have we been through some libjack-transition as well in jaunty? [17:54] Not AFAIK. It is broken on some of the ports archs. I don't know enough to fix it. [17:54] the problem is that the new audacious-plugins with arts removed didn't get build due to libjack problems [17:55] ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious-plugins/1.5.1-2ubuntu3/+build/864972/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.audacious-plugins_1.5.1-2ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:55] * ScottK idly whistles and wonders who might have a look at that. [17:56] a|wen: I dont know how to fix it. [17:57] weeeeeeeee [17:58] got my Kubuntu stickers! [17:58] thanks Riddell :) [18:01] * Tm_T has big issues with dbus [18:01] who knows where does dbus session get its path and other variables? [18:02] in KDE session that is [18:02] ScottK: seems it might be due to libffado not building on a lot of arches [18:03] OK. Can that be fixed? [18:07] it spits out some int/long/uint32/64 mismatch ... not exactly something i know anything about; so bring in the ports experts [18:11] Battery just went on my laptop. [18:11] NCommander is the one you want. [18:11] I expect getting that one fixed would enable a lot of stuff to get built on these archs. [18:20] i'll put my faith in NCommander :) [18:25] Riddell: thanks for stickers [18:26] * Lure_ did not know that even his daughters would love to have some ;-) === Lure_ is now known as Lure [18:27] Hmm can anyone (jaunty) install skim and tell me if kmenu icon appears for him? [18:28] hmm still not fixed [18:35] Anyone here uses lancelot ? [18:36] Though Kickoff has a slightly similar bug [18:40] hmm, in which file I can check for filesystem error? dmesg logs dont contain any [18:45] grr something freezes my system it usually occurs when copying or deleting files, I can't tell whats the cause [18:53] Tonio_: kpackagekit binary package still needs to have a dep on packagekit added :) [18:54] smarter: I know :) [18:54] ok [18:54] smarter: that'll happen when I upload version 0.4 [18:54] * smarter just upgraded to Jaunty and that confused him [18:55] Tonio_: yay [18:55] rgreening: e just have to wait for glatzor ;) [18:55] ty. Tonio_can you also ping the guys who manage packagekit lp and get them to auth my request to join the team. [18:55] :) [18:56] I installed packagekit, killall-ed kpackagekit, but when I try to do anything I get "Authentication failed" [18:56] smarter, even teh smart icon one? [18:56] hmm, I didn't check if it was really killed [18:56] try a reboot to be sure [18:57] ok [18:57] and they run as root [18:57] so you have to kill via sudo [18:57] if you missed that [19:02] rgreening: Get your app done? [19:04] fell asleep. then got a call 4 hrs later. network probs at work. [19:04] and Im still at work now.. grrr... [19:04] stupid failing fiber bulkheads. [19:04] hairline fracture in the ceramic core. was a pain to troubleshoot and find [19:05] at least it seems resolved and I can get back to this. [19:39] w00t! stickers! air mail from London, wow [19:40] thanks Riddell!! [19:41] anyone needs an wlan get hacked :D [19:41] aircrack has an new iso on the road [19:41] smarter: ping [19:42] claydoh: send me some stickers [19:44] nixternal: got plenty, more than happy to [19:44] Quintasan: File system ? [19:45] DaSkreech: yeah, I've found a bug on launchpad for it [19:45] Quintasan: ok [19:45] nixternal: When you get some stickers. Send me some stickers :) [19:45] lol [19:46] My system freezes while deleting or moving big portions of data, using 2.6.28-8 and ext4, no errors in dmesg log or any other. Last time my .kde was eaten by it [19:47] I didn't want stickers, but now I do -_-' [19:47] i think theyre on the ubuntu store now [19:47] or will be soon [19:47] seele: they don't have any Kubuntu stuff on the US store :( [19:47] yet that is [19:47] nixternal: did you go hang out at the chicago tea party today? [19:48] jjesse: that was yesterday and I totaly missed [19:48] it [19:48] bummer :) [19:48] seele: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=418&osCsid=b2d2b1bdeec1298a90588edbeddf43e7 [19:48] :P [19:49] jjesse: from what I saw on the news, they had a good crowd too [19:49] that's what i heard as well, but don't want to go too far off topic anymore:) [19:49] hehe [19:52] Quintasan: ive got stickers :P [19:52] seele: :3 [19:53] DaSkreech: pong [19:53] nixternal: Whoot [19:53] smarter: kvkbd [19:54] yes? :) [19:54] how many languages does it do [19:54] Or rather how many keyboard layouts? [19:54] it gets the mapping from X [19:55] Ah so as many as X does [19:55] yep [19:55] I'll probably change that [19:55] since the KDE thing to change keyboard layout doesn't use whatever kvkbd use to retrieve the layout [19:56] Yeah that was my next question [19:56] damn it [19:56] Now I have to think of a new one [19:56] ummmm [19:56] How about them SVGs? :-) [19:58] anyone here writing for wiki.ubuntuusers.de ?? [19:58] best wiki ever [19:58] !!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:58] :) [19:59] DaSkreech: First, i'll make the background color configurable, svgs will come after :p [19:59] but first first first thing is to document it/fix it a bit [20:00] ok I just really wanted to know about keyboard layout [20:00] in case I'm going to some strange country I can figure out the keybaords before I go :) [20:00] boards [20:02] I haven't touched it since october, and I've become quiet a lot better in coding since then :) [20:03] setxkbmap fr [20:03] you get french keyboard: p [20:03] actually, the default for France is setxkbmap fr oss [20:03] oh, the custom about:konqueror is feeling a bit... empty :] === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === smarter_ is now known as smarter [20:37] jjesse: how goes? [21:02] guys a boot up time from 20 sec with alpha software from intel [21:04] what alpha software? [21:07] DreadKnight: your missing buddy icons with yahoo in kopete is fixed in kde 4.2.1 [22:13] smarter moblin aplha 20, i booted up in 20 sec with a normall sata 3 hd [22:14] quassel208: pretty cool [22:15] trying with fedora sources to get kde4.2 on it, because xfce isnt my thing [22:21] a|wen: i know that bug has been fixed quite a few days now [22:22] but teoretically it will take about 10 months to have it fixed in official kubuntu i think (unless ported to a .1 version) [22:23] DreadKnight: it will be in 4.2.1 due out in less than a week [22:23] or will get into 9.04? [22:23] cool [22:23] last time i checked file transfer was phail in kopete over yahoo as well [22:24] even crashed it [22:24] haven't checked the status in bugzilla about that one [22:24] so will be in 9.04 ... and you should be able to get it from the kubuntu-experimental ppa for intrepid in ~week [22:25] and as far as i noticed, i don't even receive offline messeges over MSN protocol.. that's scary [22:26] * DaSkreech doesn't recieve any messages over MSN protocol [22:26] seele: hey seele [22:26] anyway, i think kopete is rather ugly when it comes to usability and even default settings [22:27] i can't even copy or click links from my contact's status messeges.. not cool [22:32] DreadKnight: I can [22:33] DaSkreech: how? :P [22:33] DreadKnight: Normally I either click on the link or I drag it to where I want it [22:34] DaSkreech: from the contact list? :P [22:36] i said from status messege, not conversation [22:37] Oh I don't know [22:37] I don't have anyone who has a URL in the status message [22:37] can't think of when last I saw on [22:37] one [22:38] :P [22:38] kopete is damn awefull atm no matter what you guys say [22:39] typical case scenario is that people place links in statuses "i love this song" and some youtube link; or "new post on my blog" and yet again link [22:39] etc [22:40] and by default people want to see the avatars in contact list, like in every other IM application out there [22:40] which wasn't default for me [22:40] finding the account manager is sort of like hidden... somewhere in the menus.. in settings or something [22:41] huh? [22:41] i can go on with a lot of things; might as well make a blog post and put feed into k/ubuntu planet [22:41] It's the first thing that pops up when ou open Kopete [22:42] that's first time wizard :P [22:43] Yeah [22:43] After that it's at the bottom of your contact window [22:44] can you add a new account from there etc? [22:45] i would guess so it takes you to account management [22:46] i closed it a while ago... made me phail exams even more than pidgin xD [22:46] I'm not aruging that kopete doesn't need help. My arguement is who will help them [22:47] i agree [22:47] but i'm trying to pinpoint things that are fugly with them and how to make them better [22:47] They have a set of Juniour Jobs on Techbase [22:47] Just add them to it with a starter for how to make it better [22:48] perhaps swap the crappy 'account manager' thingy at the botton and have an icon in the main toolbar that takes you to the real account manager thingy [22:48] juniour jobs? [22:48] Small things that need changing [22:48] hmm [22:48] there are only a few Kopete developers [22:49] and they focus mostly on protocol stuff which isn't easy [22:49] GUI stuff can be done my someone who isn't that specialized [22:49] in most of the kubuntu planet blog posts containing images of kde desktops... most of them had pidgin in them [22:49] Yeah well they have 3 paid developers working on it [22:50] That's three more paid developers than work on Kopete [22:50] and more devs than continuiously work on kopete [22:50] ok found the junior jobs [22:50] well, GUI really sucks overall atm [22:51] Make it as detailed as possible and outline what the participant will need [22:51] to know to start [22:52] and saying it's how things are supposed to be because kopete supports so many protocols is a lame argument (someone here said that argument) [22:52] there was a closed source IM app supporting multiple protocols and it was looking quite good... miranda i think... there are also some new ones out there.. even crossplatform [22:52] ok [22:54] Miranda is closed source? [22:54] !info miranda [22:54] Package miranda does not exist in intrepid [22:56] DaSkreech: yeah... for windowz.. or was it mirana... let me google for some stuff [22:56] No it's miranda [22:56] It's open source I just didn't know it's Windows only [22:57] http://www.miranda-im.org/ [22:57] open source indeed [22:57] rgreening: pong [22:57] I like the Identity paradigm in kopete better than that [22:59] hmm http://www.trillian.im/ [22:59] there are others i don't remember the name [23:00] I know trillian [23:01] http://www.trillian.cc/ [23:01] 2 versions [23:01] I know one you have to purchase [23:01] or 3 [23:01] a different interface for one that you don't [23:02] AIR they have a third interface that's the new rewrite [23:02] so basic... pro.... and astra (beta) [23:02] Yes [23:03] a bit confusing with all those versions; but they could serve a little bit as inspiration (how trillian and others handle GUI related stuff) [23:05] You could submit stuff to kopete :) [23:06] getting now a techbase account [23:07] i sort of hate it that all IM apps use plain lists and categories.. i find it so crappy... [23:08] would be cool to manage contacts with tags (like files with akonady) and um... see them like icons in dolphin [23:09] DreadKnight: planned as I understand it [23:09] :) [23:10] again there are very few devs on Kopete and stuff like Nepomuk integration is heavy lifting [23:10] i'll see what's up with the kopete irc channel [23:10] cool [23:10] really what they need is a group of smaller devs dealing with less "important" stuff [23:11] mhm [23:11] If you would like to do mockups of ideas that would help as it would give new contributors a clear idea as to what to do [23:11] as long as it's not a drive by mockup :) [23:13] yes [23:26] guys can you do that with kubuntu boot up within 20 sec? [23:29] not me at least T_T [23:51] My BIOS alone takes 30-ish seconds [23:51] That makes my cry (and use suspend)