[00:38] <rickspencer3> default alt-tab behavior on Kubuntu is very nice
[00:41] <yuriy> what is the default? with or without effects?
[00:44] <smarter> yuriy: with effects if it detects that it works nicely
[00:45] <smarter> detection that has been disabled by default on 4.3 because it causes the screen to flicker if I'm not mistaken
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> I thought the SuSE randr module caused flicker. Maybe they both did ;P
[00:46] <smarter> JontheEchidna: that randr thingy got ditched in 4.2 no?
[00:46] <yuriy> i meant the default alt-tab behavior
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it did
[00:46] <smarter> cause I still see flicker
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> every 10 seconds?
[00:46] <rickspencer3> yeah, I'm 99% certain it's a compiz effect with a reflective table
[00:47] <smarter> JontheEchidna: no, when KDE start
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah I see that too
[00:47] <smarter> I'd be blind else :p
[00:47] <yuriy> oh so it's the cover flow thing? I don't like that much
[00:47] <rickspencer3> meh
[00:47] <rickspencer3> I likes
[00:47] <smarter> yuriy: it's like 4 clicks to change it :p
[00:47]  * smarter liek it too
[00:47]  * JontheEchidna wonders if we still have coverwitch and boxswitch activated at the same time...
[00:48] <smarter> O_o
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> by default
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> oh, that was fixed
[00:48] <smarter> unfortunately coverswitch doesn't work with XRender :/
[00:48] <smarter> or at least, not here
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> I tried it, nor here
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> XRendr is 2D accel only iirc
[00:49] <smarter> oh, might explain it then :p
[00:51]  * JontheEchidna finally got around to removing all the stuff deborphan said he had laying around
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> /me -- the original twitter client
[00:51] <seele> rickspencer3: if you like quassel, you should have seen it before the last release
[00:52] <smarter> JontheEchidna: never thought of it that way :p
[00:53] <smarter> JontheEchidna: deborphan is supposed to be dead since a few release no?
[00:53] <smarter> apt-get autoremove/aptitude whatever should do the same
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> apt-get autoremove is insane
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> I removes stuff I actually need
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> deborphan's still in universe by the looks of it
[01:10] <DreadKnight> omg, blender can't be installed anymore...
[01:12] <DreadKnight> https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTEyMjU2MTk
[01:12] <DreadKnight> ops
[01:12] <DreadKnight> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:12] <DreadKnight>   blender: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:14] <DreadKnight> T_T
[01:25] <ScottK> DreadKnight: Relax.  We're in the middle of a Python transition right now.
[01:25] <DreadKnight> installed blender on wine already >_<
[03:12] <maco> any reports of kmail plowing through cpu cycles? kio_imap4 is using 100% cpu, and kmail's not even checking for mail right now!
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> I haven't seen any yet
[03:13] <maco> ok then
[03:14] <maco> >< killing kmail didn't make it stop
[03:17] <ScottK> ergo it's not kmail.
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> the kio slaves run independent of programs, usually
[09:50] <Quintasan> \o
[11:34] <mkulke_> anyone using pyqt/kde? i have a problem that when i want to connect a signal of my qobject derived python object, to a slot in a kmainwindow, python bails out w/: QObject.connect(self.session, SIGNAL("whop(int)"), self.transfer), RuntimeError: underlying C/C++ object has been deleted
[11:34] <mkulke_> what am i doing wrong here?
[11:39] <smarter> Sime is probably the guy to ask ;)
[11:44] <Riddell> mkulke_: able to give us the code to run?
[11:45] <mkulke_> uhm, yes
[11:45] <mkulke_> 1 sec
[11:47] <smarter> what type of objects are self.session and self.transfer?
[11:47] <smarter> this thread may be relevant: http://markmail.org/message/si3imcn7k4anefqw#query:pyqt "RuntimeError+page:1+mid:xmx6b2hqmnk7gsvb+state:results
[11:47] <mkulke_> Riddell: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/
[11:47] <mkulke_> it's kasablanca.py
[11:47] <mkulke_> smarter: self.session is a Session object, derived from QObject
[11:48] <smarter> mkulke_: does a print self.session works?
[11:48] <smarter> (instead of the connect)
[11:48] <mkulke_> yes
[11:49] <mkulke_> <session.Session object at 0xb4a1de6c>
[11:49] <Riddell> what about QObject.connect -> self.connect
[11:49] <mkulke_> self.transfer is a KasablancaMainWindow method
[11:50] <mkulke_> tried that
[11:50] <mkulke_> logically it should be self.session.connect i guess
[11:50] <mkulke_> but it does not matter really
[11:50] <mkulke_> non custom signal/slot stuff works
[11:51] <smarter> what if you remove the second arg to self.transfer in kasablanca.py?
[11:51] <smarter> def transfer(self): ...
[11:52] <mkulke_> no effect
[11:52] <mkulke_> i wonder whether there's more to it, than just deriving an object from QObject to make it issue signals?
[11:53] <smarter> in C++ you have to add the macro Q_OBJECT, no idea if there's something like that in PyQt :p
[11:53] <mkulke_> yeah i know, i am used to c++ qt
[11:54] <Riddell> mkulke_: how do I get settingswidget.py ?
[11:55] <mkulke_> pyuic4 settingswidget.ui > ui_settingswidget.py
[11:55] <mkulke_> i guess you meant that
[11:56] <mkulke_> smarter: so far converting to "rapid development" thingie w/ python hasn't worked out for me. i spent hours to figure out stuff like this :)
[11:56] <smarter> hehe
[11:57] <Sime> mkulke_: what is self.session?
[11:58] <smarter> Sime: http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk/ kasablanca.py
[11:58] <mkulke_> Sime: a Session object (class derived from QObject)
[11:59] <mkulke_> maybe i need some kind of "super" call in the Session constructor to make Session signal/slot-able
[11:59] <Riddell> mkulke_: I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/124227/
[11:59] <Sime> mkulke_:  that old chess-nut. Your Session object doesn't have a QObject because you didn't call QObject.__init__()
[12:00] <Sime> mkulke_: more or less what you just said. ;-)
[12:00] <Riddell> what a really confusing error message
[12:01] <Sime> not really, when you keep in mind that the python objects 'wrap' matching c++ objects.
[12:06] <mkulke_> heureka!
[12:06] <mkulke_> that's it. thanks alot Riddell, smarter, Sime
[12:06] <smarter> you're welcome :)
[12:06]  * smarter will keep that in mind next time he does pyqt :p
[12:07] <mkulke_> Riddell: why you do not get settingswidget.py remains a mystery to me tho
[12:08] <mkulke_> i just checked out svn co http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/kasablanca/kasablanca-python/trunk
[12:08] <Riddell> mkulke_: well you told me to name it ui_settingswidget.py
[12:08] <mkulke_> no
[12:08] <mkulke_> the settingswidget.ui file is compiled (or whatever) into a ui_*.py file using pyuic4
[12:10] <Riddell> so where does settingswidget.py come from?
[12:10] <Riddell> aah
[12:10] <Riddell> it's in svn
[12:10] <Riddell> but I overwrote it when I first compiles the .ui file
[12:11] <mkulke_> ah,k
[12:12] <mkulke_> how do i package this python stuff btw?
[12:12] <Riddell> into a .deb?
[12:12] <mkulke_> yeah, but also generally
[12:13] <mkulke_> should the the .py files  be put into a module or sth?
[12:13] <Riddell> you can use cmake, take a look at printer-applet in kdeadmin for example
[12:13] <Riddell> kdeutils rather
[12:14] <Riddell> or system-config-printer-kde in kdeadmin
[12:14] <mkulke_> and as the backend of the app is a c++ kio-slave, can i deliver it w/ the python app or should they be seperate packages
[12:14] <Riddell> it'll just install the files to /usr/share/kde4/apps/<appname>/<filename> and install a symlink from /usr/bin
[12:14] <Riddell> they should be fine together
[12:15] <mkulke_> ok
[12:18] <smarter> anyone could give me an account on a server somewhere to run QuasselCore? People are getting annoyed with my disconnections :p
[12:19]  * Hobbsee wonders what quasselcore requires to run
[12:27] <smarter> Hobbsee: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-network (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-script (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), adduser, openssl, libqt4-sql-sqlite
[12:27] <smarter> so, no X11
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hrm
[12:28]  * Hobbsee wonders why it depends on adduser?
[12:28] <smarter> because it creates a quassel/quassel user/group
[12:28] <smarter> to runs the daemon
[12:29] <smarter> like apache and others do
[12:29] <smarter> *run
[12:33] <mkulke_> a.emit(QtCore.SIGNAL("pySig"), "Hello", "World") <- this is wrong, i guess
[12:33] <mkulke_> i got the line from the riverbankcomputing reference
[12:33] <mkulke_> self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer(PyQt_PyObject, QString)"), self, fileName) works for me
[12:34] <Sime> that looks better
[12:34] <mkulke_> but self.emit(SIGNAL("transfer"), self, fileName) doesn't
[12:34] <mkulke_> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/static/Docs/PyQt4/pyqt4ref.html#emitting-signals
[12:36] <Sime> are you going from a python object to another python object?
[12:36] <Sime> connecting to a c++ might require mroe specific args in the signal
[12:36] <mkulke_> both are python objects
[12:37] <Hobbsee> smarter: yeah....but....there's no need to depend on something in minimal ;)
[12:37] <Sime> BRB
[12:37]  * Hobbsee hopes it's not a hardcoded dependancy
[12:37] <smarter> Hobbsee: oh, probably :p
[12:38]  * Hobbsee twitches
[12:38]  * Hobbsee wonders if it has any other interesting packaging bits in it, then
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> holy crap
[12:50] <JontheEchidna> my inbox just got flooded with translation imports
[12:50] <Hobbsee> welcome to launchpad!  ;)
[12:51]  * Hobbsee advocates blackholing anything from launchpad, and then pulling out specifically based on headers things you're interested in
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> well, at least I know that ktorrent should be good for translations except Bulgarian
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:56] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: you're a MOTU right?
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> a|wen-: yes
[13:15] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: i have a new svn snapshot of kile ready; is that something you could upload?
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I could sponsor that
[13:15] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: cool ... http://awen.dk/packages/kile/
[13:17]  * JontheEchidna looks
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> Looks good, I can upload after it pbuilds
[13:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Please pile onto Bug 335831
[13:22] <ScottK> Good $TIMEOFDAY all.
[13:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to look at my proposal for pkg-kde-tools (see my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa/)?
[13:25] <a|wen-> good weekend (that should be agreeable at least) ScottK
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> a|wen-: I have to go in a bit, I may not have enough time to finish the testbuild so I might have to upload when I get home. (Unless you can find someone else to sponsor it)
[13:34]  * JontheEchidna will try to to it before he goes, though
[13:34] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: no problem; it can wait till you get home if it is
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm going up to Portland, Maine to visit relatives, so I may not get back until late. (FYI)
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> doesn't look like it will be built in time :(
[13:40] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:41] <a|wen-> JontheEchidna: oh, okay... the large part is downloading, the build in itself only takes a few minutes
[13:41] <a|wen-> hi Tonio_
[13:42] <Tonio_> isn't anyone reviewing NEW now ? knemo is stuck there for a couple of weeks now...
[13:43] <smarter> Tonio_: ask Riddell :)
[13:43] <Tonio_> smarter: yeah, but he already has so much to do...
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, when you have a moment, knemo used to be a very popular kde3 app, getting the kde4 version in the repos could be interesting !
[13:44] <smarter> that's why Canonical is hiring KDE devs
[14:55] <ScottK> smarter: No.  It's not.  These people are specificially not being hired to work on the Kubuntu work we already do.  They are being hired to "improve the desktop experience".
[14:56] <smarter> ScottK: which means...? :)
[14:56] <ScottK> Hopefully something better for us than what it's currently meaning for Ubuntu.
[14:57]  * ScottK heads out ....
[14:57] <smarter> haha*
[14:57] <smarter> see you
[15:02] <Hobbsee> good thing a lot of the people who have tried it like it, then.
[15:14] <freeflying> when enable desktop effect(intel's graphic card), toolbar from a lot kde4 applicatons won't be re-drawn
[15:14] <freeflying> any of you encountered?
[15:32] <Tonio_> freeflying: I have lots of redraw issues since we went to use qt4.5
[15:33] <Tonio_> freeflying: I suspect qt is the guilty there
[15:34] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I also pretty fundamentally object to changing long standing system functions with little notification (pun intended) and then declaring all applications which don't conform t the new assumptions broken.
[15:35] <ScottK> Fortunately, at least for the one who's announced himself, the KDE people actually have FOSS experience so I expect it will go better for us.
[15:41] <freeflying> Tonio_: this sound make sense :)
[17:34] <Quintasan> \
[17:34] <Quintasan> erm.. Hi
[17:45] <DaSkreech> hi
[17:45] <ScottK> a|wen: Please have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmp/2.5.1-1ubuntu1/+build/864804/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.xmp_2.5.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - if I read it right audacious-plugins still has some attachment to arts.
[17:48]  * a|wen looks
[17:53] <a|wen> ScottK: have we been through some libjack-transition as well in jaunty?
[17:54] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.  It is broken on some of the ports archs.  I don't know enough to fix it.
[17:54] <a|wen> the problem is that the new audacious-plugins with arts removed didn't get build due to libjack problems
[17:55] <a|wen> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious-plugins/1.5.1-2ubuntu3/+build/864972/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.audacious-plugins_1.5.1-2ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:55]  * ScottK idly whistles and wonders who might have a look at that.
[17:56] <ScottK> a|wen: I dont know how to fix it.
[17:57] <Nightrose> weeeeeeeee
[17:58] <Nightrose> got my Kubuntu stickers!
[17:58] <Nightrose> thanks Riddell :)
[18:01]  * Tm_T has big issues with dbus
[18:01] <Tm_T> who knows where does dbus session get its path and other variables?
[18:02] <Tm_T> in KDE session that is
[18:02] <a|wen> ScottK: seems it might be due to libffado not building on a lot of arches
[18:03] <ScottK> OK.  Can that be fixed?
[18:07] <a|wen> it spits out some int/long/uint32/64 mismatch ... not exactly something i know anything about; so bring in the ports experts
[18:11] <ScottK-palm> Battery just went on my laptop.
[18:11] <ScottK-palm> NCommander is the one you want.
[18:11] <ScottK-palm> I expect getting that one fixed would enable a lot of stuff to get built on these archs.
[18:20] <a|wen> i'll put my faith in NCommander :)
[18:25] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks for stickers
[18:26]  * Lure_ did not know that even his daughters would love to have some ;-)
[18:27] <Quintasan> Hmm can anyone (jaunty) install skim and tell me if kmenu icon appears for him?
[18:28] <Quintasan> hmm still not fixed
[18:35] <DaSkreech> Anyone here uses lancelot ?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Though Kickoff has a slightly similar bug
[18:40] <Quintasan> hmm, in which file I can check for filesystem error? dmesg logs dont contain any
[18:45] <Quintasan> grr something freezes my system it usually occurs when copying or deleting files, I can't tell whats the cause
[18:53] <smarter> Tonio_: kpackagekit binary package still needs to have a dep on packagekit added :)
[18:54] <Tonio_> smarter: I know :)
[18:54] <smarter> ok
[18:54] <Tonio_> smarter: that'll happen when I upload version 0.4
[18:54]  * smarter just upgraded to Jaunty and that confused him
[18:55] <rgreening> Tonio_: yay
[18:55] <Tonio_> rgreening: e just have to wait for glatzor ;)
[18:55] <rgreening> ty. Tonio_can you also ping the guys who manage packagekit lp and get them to auth my request to join the team.
[18:55] <rgreening> :)
[18:56] <smarter> I installed packagekit, killall-ed kpackagekit, but when I try to do anything I get "Authentication failed"
[18:56] <rgreening> smarter, even teh smart icon one?
[18:56] <smarter> hmm, I didn't check if it was really killed
[18:56] <rgreening> try a reboot to be sure
[18:57] <smarter> ok
[18:57] <rgreening> and they run as root
[18:57] <rgreening> so you have to kill via sudo
[18:57] <rgreening> if you missed that
[19:02] <ScottK> rgreening: Get your app done?
[19:04] <rgreening> fell asleep. then got a call 4 hrs later. network probs at work.
[19:04] <rgreening> and Im still at work now.. grrr...
[19:04] <rgreening> stupid failing fiber bulkheads.
[19:04] <rgreening> hairline fracture in the ceramic core. was a pain to troubleshoot and find
[19:05] <rgreening> at least it seems resolved and I can get back to this.
[19:39] <claydoh> w00t! stickers!  air mail from London, wow
[19:40] <claydoh> thanks Riddell!!
[19:41] <ghostcube> anyone needs an wlan get hacked :D
[19:41] <ghostcube> aircrack has an new iso on the road
[19:41] <DaSkreech> smarter: ping
[19:42] <nixternal> claydoh: send me some stickers
[19:44] <claydoh> nixternal: got plenty, more than happy to
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: File system ?
[19:45] <Quintasan> DaSkreech: yeah, I've found a bug on launchpad for it
[19:45] <DaSkreech> Quintasan: ok
[19:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: When you get some stickers. Send me some stickers :)
[19:45] <claydoh> lol
[19:46] <Quintasan> My system freezes while deleting or moving big portions of data, using 2.6.28-8 and ext4, no errors in dmesg log or any other. Last time my .kde was eaten by it
[19:47] <Quintasan> I didn't want stickers, but now I do -_-'
[19:47] <seele> i think theyre on the ubuntu store now
[19:47] <seele> or will be soon
[19:47] <nixternal> seele: they don't have any Kubuntu stuff on the US store :(
[19:47] <nixternal> yet that is
[19:47] <jjesse> nixternal: did you go hang out at the chicago tea party today?
[19:48] <nixternal> jjesse: that was yesterday and I totaly missed
[19:48] <nixternal> it
[19:48] <jjesse> bummer :)
[19:48] <Quintasan> seele: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=418&osCsid=b2d2b1bdeec1298a90588edbeddf43e7
[19:48] <Quintasan> :P
[19:49] <nixternal> jjesse: from what I saw on the news, they had a good crowd too
[19:49] <jjesse> that's what i heard as well, but don't want to go too far off topic anymore:)
[19:49] <nixternal> hehe
[19:52] <seele> Quintasan: ive got stickers :P
[19:52] <Quintasan> seele: :3
[19:53] <smarter> DaSkreech: pong
[19:53] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Whoot
[19:53] <DaSkreech> smarter: kvkbd
[19:54] <smarter> yes? :)
[19:54] <DaSkreech> how many languages does it do
[19:54] <DaSkreech> Or rather how many keyboard layouts?
[19:54] <smarter> it gets the mapping from X
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Ah so as many as X does
[19:55] <smarter> yep
[19:55] <smarter> I'll probably change that
[19:55] <smarter> since the KDE thing to change keyboard layout doesn't use whatever kvkbd use to retrieve the layout
[19:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah that was my next question
[19:56] <DaSkreech> damn it
[19:56] <DaSkreech> Now I have to think of a new one
[19:56] <DaSkreech> ummmm
[19:56] <DaSkreech> How about them SVGs? :-)
[19:58] <ghostcube> anyone here writing for wiki.ubuntuusers.de ??
[19:58] <ghostcube> best wiki ever
[19:58] <ghostcube> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:58] <ghostcube> :)
[19:59] <smarter> DaSkreech: First, i'll make the background color configurable, svgs will come after :p
[19:59] <smarter> but first first first thing is to document it/fix it a bit
[20:00] <DaSkreech> ok I just really wanted to know about keyboard layout
[20:00] <DaSkreech> in case I'm going to some strange country I can figure out the keybaords before I go :)
[20:00] <DaSkreech> boards
[20:02] <smarter> I haven't touched it since october, and I've become quiet a lot better in coding since then :)
[20:03] <smarter> setxkbmap fr
[20:03] <smarter> you get french keyboard: p
[20:03] <smarter> actually, the default for France is setxkbmap fr oss
[20:03] <smarter> oh, the custom about:konqueror is feeling a bit... empty :]
[20:37] <DaSkreech> jjesse: how goes?
[21:02] <quassel208> guys a boot up time from 20 sec with alpha software from intel
[21:04] <smarter> what alpha software?
[21:07] <a|wen> DreadKnight: your missing buddy icons with yahoo in kopete is fixed in kde 4.2.1
[22:13] <quassel208> smarter moblin aplha 20, i booted up in 20 sec with a normall sata 3 hd
[22:14] <smarter> quassel208: pretty cool
[22:15] <quassel208> trying with fedora sources to get kde4.2 on it, because xfce isnt my thing
[22:21] <DreadKnight> a|wen: i know that bug has been fixed quite a few days now
[22:22] <DreadKnight> but teoretically it will take about 10 months to have it fixed in official kubuntu i think (unless ported to a .1 version)
[22:23] <a|wen> DreadKnight: it will be in 4.2.1 due out in less than a week
[22:23] <DreadKnight> or will get into 9.04?
[22:23] <DreadKnight> cool
[22:23] <DreadKnight> last time i checked file transfer was phail in kopete over yahoo as well
[22:24] <DreadKnight> even crashed it
[22:24] <DreadKnight> haven't checked the status in bugzilla about that one
[22:24] <a|wen> so will be in 9.04 ... and you should be able to get it from the kubuntu-experimental ppa for intrepid in ~week
[22:25] <DreadKnight> and as far as i noticed, i don't even receive offline messeges over MSN protocol.. that's scary
[22:26]  * DaSkreech doesn't recieve any messages over MSN protocol
[22:26] <rgreening> seele: hey seele
[22:26] <DreadKnight> anyway, i think kopete is rather ugly when it comes to usability and even default settings
[22:27] <DreadKnight> i can't even copy or click links from my contact's status messeges.. not cool
[22:32] <DaSkreech> DreadKnight: I can
[22:33] <DreadKnight> DaSkreech: how? :P
[22:33] <DaSkreech> DreadKnight: Normally I either click on the link or I drag it to where I want it
[22:34] <DreadKnight> DaSkreech: from the contact list? :P
[22:36] <DreadKnight> i said from status messege, not conversation
[22:37] <DaSkreech> Oh I don't know
[22:37] <DaSkreech> I don't have anyone who has a URL in the status message
[22:37] <DaSkreech> can't think of when last I saw on
[22:37] <DaSkreech> one
[22:38] <DreadKnight> :P
[22:38] <DreadKnight> kopete is damn awefull atm no matter what you guys say
[22:39] <DreadKnight> typical case scenario is that people place links in statuses "i love this song" and some youtube link; or "new post on my blog" and yet again link
[22:39] <DreadKnight> etc
[22:40] <DreadKnight> and by default people want to see the avatars in contact list, like in every other IM application out there
[22:40] <DreadKnight> which wasn't default for me
[22:40] <DreadKnight> finding the account manager is sort of like hidden... somewhere in the menus.. in settings or something
[22:41] <DaSkreech> huh?
[22:41] <DreadKnight> i can go on with a lot of things; might as well make a blog post and put feed into k/ubuntu planet
[22:41] <DaSkreech> It's the first thing that pops up when ou open Kopete
[22:42] <DreadKnight> that's first time wizard :P
[22:43] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[22:43] <DaSkreech> After that it's at the bottom of your contact window
[22:44] <DreadKnight> can you add a new account from there etc?
[22:45] <DaSkreech> i would guess so it takes you to account management
[22:46] <DreadKnight> i closed it a while ago... made me phail exams even more than pidgin xD
[22:46] <DaSkreech> I'm not aruging that kopete doesn't need help. My arguement is who will help them
[22:47] <DreadKnight> i agree
[22:47] <DreadKnight> but i'm trying to pinpoint things that are fugly with them and how to make them better
[22:47] <DaSkreech> They have a set of Juniour Jobs on Techbase
[22:47] <DaSkreech> Just add them to it with a starter for how to make it better
[22:48] <DreadKnight> perhaps swap the crappy 'account manager' thingy at the botton and have an icon in the main toolbar that takes you to the real account manager thingy
[22:48] <DreadKnight> juniour jobs?
[22:48] <DaSkreech> Small things that need changing
[22:48] <DreadKnight> hmm
[22:48] <DaSkreech> there are only  a few Kopete developers
[22:49] <DaSkreech> and they focus mostly on protocol stuff which isn't easy
[22:49] <DaSkreech> GUI stuff can be done my someone who isn't that specialized
[22:49] <DreadKnight> in most of the kubuntu planet blog posts containing images of kde desktops... most of them had pidgin in them
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Yeah well they have 3 paid developers working on it
[22:50] <DaSkreech> That's three more paid developers than work on Kopete
[22:50] <DaSkreech> and more devs than continuiously work on kopete
[22:50] <DreadKnight> ok found the junior jobs
[22:50] <DreadKnight> well, GUI really sucks overall atm
[22:51] <DaSkreech> Make it as detailed as possible and outline what the participant will need
[22:51] <DaSkreech> to know to start
[22:52] <DreadKnight> and saying it's how things are supposed to be because kopete supports so many protocols is a lame argument (someone here said that argument)
[22:52] <DreadKnight> there was a closed source IM app supporting multiple protocols and it was looking quite good... miranda i think... there are also some new ones out there.. even crossplatform
[22:52] <DreadKnight> ok
[22:54] <DaSkreech> Miranda is closed source?
[22:54] <DaSkreech> !info miranda
[22:56] <DreadKnight> DaSkreech: yeah... for windowz.. or was it mirana... let me google for some stuff
[22:56] <DaSkreech> No it's miranda
[22:56] <DaSkreech> It's open source I just didn't know it's Windows only
[22:57] <DreadKnight> http://www.miranda-im.org/
[22:57] <DreadKnight> open source indeed
[22:57] <seele> rgreening: pong
[22:57] <DaSkreech> I like the Identity paradigm in kopete better than that
[22:59] <DreadKnight> hmm http://www.trillian.im/
[22:59] <DreadKnight> there are others i don't remember the name
[23:00] <DaSkreech> I know trillian
[23:01] <DreadKnight> http://www.trillian.cc/
[23:01] <DreadKnight> 2 versions
[23:01] <DaSkreech> I know one you have to purchase
[23:01] <DreadKnight> or 3
[23:01] <DaSkreech> a different interface for one that you don't
[23:02] <DaSkreech> AIR they have a third interface that's the new rewrite
[23:02] <DreadKnight> so basic... pro.... and astra (beta)
[23:02] <DaSkreech> Yes
[23:03] <DreadKnight> a bit confusing with all those versions; but they could serve a little bit as inspiration (how trillian and others handle GUI related stuff)
[23:05] <DaSkreech> You could submit stuff to kopete :)
[23:06] <DreadKnight> getting now a techbase account
[23:07] <DreadKnight> i sort of hate it that all IM apps use plain lists and categories.. i find it so crappy...
[23:08] <DreadKnight> would be cool to manage  contacts with tags (like files with akonady) and um... see them like icons in dolphin
[23:09] <DaSkreech> DreadKnight: planned as I understand it
[23:09] <DreadKnight> :)
[23:10] <DaSkreech> again there are very few devs on Kopete and stuff like Nepomuk integration is heavy lifting
[23:10] <DreadKnight> i'll see what's up with the kopete irc channel
[23:10] <DreadKnight> cool
[23:10] <DaSkreech> really what they need is a group of smaller devs dealing with less "important" stuff
[23:11] <DreadKnight> mhm
[23:11] <DaSkreech> If you would like to do mockups of ideas that would help as it would give new contributors a clear idea as to what to do
[23:11] <DaSkreech> as long as it's not a drive by mockup :)
[23:13] <DreadKnight> yes
[23:26] <quassel208> guys can you do that with kubuntu boot up within 20 sec?
[23:29] <DreadKnight> not me at least T_T
[23:51] <sebas> My BIOS alone takes 30-ish seconds
[23:51] <sebas> That makes my cry (and use suspend)