[00:01] <skyjumper> linkinx64: apt-get install notify-osd
[00:02] <linkinx64> nice
[00:02] <linkinx64> ty
[00:04] <skyjumper> so every time i enter a vmware VM, the ctrl/alt/shift keys get screwy and require reset with 'setxkbmap'
[00:04] <skyjumper> anyone know of a way to avoid needing to do that after *each* enter/leaving of the VM screen?
[00:04] <skyjumper> i don't think it happened so often in intrepid
[00:32] <chronic_> KPackageKit doesn't work
[00:33] <ronny> dammit
[00:33] <ronny> i got one of those dells with a weird internal micro
[00:34] <ronny> (they dont have enough gain by default
[00:34] <linkinx64> :( flash it's installed and firefox keeps saying it  is not
[00:34]  * bruce89 is annoyed that my Dell didn't have a microwave built-in
[00:36] <bruce89> linkinx64: just as well IMHO
[00:36] <linkinx64> ;(
[00:36] <linkinx64> and no scrolling on my laptop
[00:38]  * charlie-tca justs want the coffee maker built in. It has the cup holder....
[00:38] <bruce89> has yours got a laser for warming the coffee?
[00:39]  * DanaG had to tweak his laptop a bit to get scrolling working.
[00:39] <charlie-tca> No! Did I get ripped off?
[00:39] <DanaG> Needs to go in a hal fdi file instead of in xorg.conf.
[00:39] <charlie-tca> I WANT the laser, too
[00:39] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe that's what the thing is.
[00:40]  * bruce89 wonders what use the turntable would have
[00:40] <charlie-tca> oh, boy. I did get ripped off.
[00:41]  * charlie-tca thinks it keeps the cup turning to heat the coffee even
[00:41] <bruce89> actually, the other computer here has a toast slot
[00:42] <charlie-tca> has it got the little adjustment wheel for lighter?
[00:42] <bruce89> I have to cut the bread very thin though
[00:42] <bruce89> just a big button to get the toast out
[00:43] <charlie-tca> Easier than trying to dig it out
[00:44] <bruce89> this one has a heater too, but it doesn't seem to toast things much
[00:44] <charlie-tca> Maybe the toaster part broke?
[00:44] <bruce89> no matter how much I jam toast in
[00:44]  * bruce89 wonders if the CPU's supposed to be on fire
[00:45] <charlie-tca> I got one that cooks, but no place to put the pot
[00:46] <DanaG> Wanna' cook something?  Try a Pentium D.
[00:46] <DanaG> That's an ecological disaster.  =þ
[00:46]  * bruce89 wonders if the blue socket on the back is really to keep automatic pencil leads
[00:47] <bruce89> with its 15 handy wee holes
[00:47] <hugh_path> Q: anyone working on power management issues?  Jaunty is not suspending/hibernating on a test thinkpad and I am willing to debug... but would like to work with someone who knows the code.
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Sounds like it! Mine is older, and everything is black
[00:48] <charlie-tca> Real hard to see the lead after filling it
[00:48] <bruce89> very difficult to get out without rubber gloves too
[00:49] <charlie-tca> They made your holes too deep. Mine sticks out of them
[00:49] <charlie-tca> Break a lot with it, but easy to get to
[00:50] <bruce89> those rectangular sockets on the side are good for rubbers (erasers if that's rude)
[00:51] <charlie-tca> I wondered about them
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Just got to keep them small
[00:51] <ian1> hmm pages in firefox are jiggling vertically
[00:51] <ian1> anyone see this?
[00:51] <aboSamoor> I can not load compiz, but I am not sure what is the problem ! can you help me to file a bug
[00:53] <bruce89> I find the wee hollow with two buttons below is quite useful to keep water in
[00:53] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:53]  * bruce89 is scraping the barrel now
[00:54] <charlie-tca> I use it instead of licking the stamps
[00:54] <bruce89> surely e-mail has somewhat voided that thing now
[00:55] <charlie-tca> No, still got to mail my bills
[00:55] <charlie-tca> Too many mailing lists, they tend to get lost in the email
[00:55] <bruce89> true
[00:56] <bruce89> the gaps in the keys on the keyboard are good to keep crackers in
[00:56] <bruce89> are keyboards supposed to be green?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Only on macs
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Leave the cheese slices there too long?
[00:57] <bruce89> ah
[01:08] <dtchen_> ok, ironed out some of the snd_pcm_avail_update() issues in jaunty's PulseAudio
[01:09] <dtchen_> the situation should be much better even without alsa-lib 1.0.19
[01:10] <dtchen_> source and binary test packages will be available in my ppa shortly
[01:18] <bruce89> pulseaudio files in /dev/shm/ are 65 MB
[01:20] <dtchen_> well, i _could_ merge the garbage collection patch, too
[01:24]  * aboSamoor Upgrading pulse audio packages fixes the output sound.
[01:26] <dtchen_> err, more context, please?
[01:27]  * aboSamoor Compiz is working after changing COMPIZ_BIN_PATH, PLUGIN_PATH, COMPIZ_NAME in /usr/bin/compiz
[01:27] <dtchen_> namely, which pulseaudio packages fix the output sound, and how?
[01:40] <aboSamoor> dtchen_: I am not sure, the sound was not clear [has noise] even it is recognizable making upgrades to the following packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/124078/ returned the situation of the output sound to one I had in 8.10 even it was not as good as the situation in 8.04. In 8.10 I have to lower PCM in volume mixer so I can get clear sound while in 8.04 it is always clear whatever PCM is
[01:41] <dtchen_> aboSamoor: yes, the next upload of pa should have much better performance
[01:42] <dtchen_> bruce89: is 65 MB seriously an issue?
[01:42] <aboSamoor> dtchen_: it also seems that gstreamer alsa package has been also upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/124079/
[01:42] <dtchen_> i *could* merge some garbage collection on the mempool routines, but there's no real drive to do so unless the current situation is causing oomkill
[01:44] <aboSamoor> dtchen_: what is this PCM has to do with audio output quality ?
[01:44] <bruce89> dtchen_: I don't know, what are those files?
[01:46] <dtchen_> bruce89: those are files that pulseaudio allocates to cache audio
[01:47] <dtchen_> aboSamoor: meaning "PCM mixer attenuation/gain" or something else?
[01:47] <bruce89> right, I just got a fright when I looked at the memory map of totem
[01:48] <dtchen_> bruce89: again, they shouldn't be problematic, since they are garbage-collected
[01:48] <dtchen_> bruce89: just not as frequently as perhaps one would like
[01:48] <bruce89> ah, that's fine then
[01:49] <dtchen_> ok, so without some kernel config changes, i don't think we're ever gonna be able to wipe the initial audio glitches
[01:50] <dtchen_> PA makes some rather interesting assumptions about the lower bound of the kernel scheduler's effect on quite a few things
[01:51] <dtchen_> i could bump the initial watermark, but i don't know without testing how that will perform
[01:53] <aboSamoor> Jaunty opens windows by default in maximized undecorated mode !
[01:54] <yoyoned1> anyone know where  to get xbmc binary
[02:10] <Belboz99> Hey all, anyone else have half the installer processes run in the background?
[02:10] <Belboz99> including resize2fs?
[02:13] <ethana2> I'm trying to install Jaunty alpha 5 on my flash drive
[02:13] <ethana2> but the thingy only sees the FAT partition
[02:13] <ethana2> I want to install it on the ext2 partition
[02:13] <ethana2> (4 GB flash drive, 1 GB FAT, 3 GB ext2)
[02:13] <ethana2> Is there a newer version of this tool in jaunty that might be able to run on Intrepid so I could do this?
[02:14] <dns53> can you format the file system yourself and then use that partition?
[02:15] <ethana2> well
[02:15] <ethana2> I have files on it
[02:15] <ethana2> I need it for stuff, constantly
[02:15] <ethana2> that's what the 1 GB fat partition is for
[02:15] <ethana2> dns53: not sure I understand what you mean
[02:16] <dns53> so you want your vfat partition and it resized and have your linux partition also on that drive?
[02:16] <ethana2> dns53: if I understand the question, yes
[02:16] <ethana2> it's 1 GB FAT, 3 GB ext2
[02:16] <ethana2> hmm
[02:17] <dns53> the ext2 exists already?
[02:17] <ethana2> yes
[02:17] <chronic_> yes, it's fat, haha
[02:17] <ethana2> I think it wants me to set the boot flag on it
[02:17]  * ethana2 opens gparted
[02:18] <dns53> you are suppose to be able to specify that you want to just use the existing partition, i don't use the live cd myself i use the alternate install that can easily do that
[02:18] <ethana2> grr, the USB image installer still only sees the FAT partition
[02:23] <bruce89> ext2?
[02:24] <ethana2> bruce89: I don't want to kill my flash drive with journalling
[02:24] <bruce89> good answer
[02:24] <bruce89> though the N800 uses JFFS2
[02:25]  * ethana2 has filed a launchpad question
[02:26] <ethana2> https://answers.launchpad.net/usb-creator/+question/62573
[02:33] <JanC> bruce89: JFFS2 only works (properly) with raw flash
[02:37] <usser> grub2 is cool
[02:37]  * usser wonders if its going to be default in jaunty
[02:39] <bruce89> seems much the same as 1, but works with ext4 properly
[02:39] <usser> bruce89, it accepts tga and png as backgounds :)
[02:39] <bruce89> nice
[04:07] <coz_> hey guys  I believe I read that jaunty has a background changer with transitions?
[04:07] <coz_> is that correct?
[04:16]  * DanaG wishes the login screen theme at least had some sort of "box" around the input box.
[04:30] <Melik> anybody test alpha 5 yet?
[04:32] <garou> Hi. So this is the channel for jaunty-specifics? I dist-upgraded to jaunty yesterday. Afterwards, the fglrx-driver wouldn't load anymore: http://rafb.net/p/jvetbU33.html
[04:32] <garou> I tried the fglrx-packages in the repositories, ones built from the ATI-installer and direct installation.
[04:33] <garou> So... Is there a fix yet?
[04:33] <crdlb> I believe fglrx is still broken
[04:33] <garou> Oh, and I'm using an ATI Radeon 4850HD.
[04:34] <garou> Aw...
[04:34] <garou> Can I downgrade safely? ^^
[04:34] <crdlb> no
[04:35] <garou> So jaunty has certainly broken my system in a bad way.
[04:35] <garou> Oh well...
[04:36] <garou> Is anybody working on it with great esteem?
[04:36] <linkinx64> mine it's ok
[04:37] <linkinx64> since alpha 5 it's even faster
[04:37] <crdlb> garou: only ATI knows
[04:37] <garou> linkinx64: What did you do that I didn't?
[04:37] <linkinx64> well i had 8.10 and upgraded that's it
[04:37] <crdlb> you're using fglrx?
[04:37] <linkinx64> no
[04:37] <linkinx64> try to install from the iso
[04:40] <garou> Okay, so is it "just" unsafe to downgrade to intrepid or is it a really, really stupid idea?
[04:47] <usser> garou, theres no official way to downgrade at all. most you can do is keep your home and overwrite root
[04:47] <usser> garou, if you try and change your sources.list from jaunty to hardy its gonna blow up \
[04:48] <DanaG> It is possible, with apt pinning.... but stuff can break.... badly.
[04:48] <DanaG> You'd better know apt like the back of your own hand to be able to do it.
[04:48] <DanaG> Better just to wait out whatever's up with Jaunty.
[04:49] <crdlb> you should be able to get 2d with either radeon or radeonhd
[04:54] <DanaG> I'm using a PPA that has the new radeon.
[04:54] <DanaG> My only gripe with the radeon driver is that it doesn't support anything but basic power management.
[04:55] <DanaG> It can change the clock speed, but apparently not the voltages or such.
[04:55] <garou> Thanks...
[04:56] <garou> crdlb: Well, I *really* want to work with 3D, Blender and Crystal Space, to be exact.
[04:57] <shadowhywind> does anyone know of a way to change the desktop picture from the console
[05:02] <Peddy> How can I get notify-osd to blur things behind it like in this example? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Inside%20the%20bubble
[05:03] <DanaG> Is it just me, or is it bad manners to hardcode a color like that black color?
[05:03] <kernco> Why is kubuntu-restricted-extras going to install pulseaudio?
[05:12] <Peddy> DanaG, were you referring to me?
[05:22] <crdlb> Peddy: using compiz? what video card?
[05:22] <Peddy> crdlb, yep, and nvidia 9800gt.
[05:23] <crdlb> make sure the Blur plugin is enabled, I guess
[05:23] <crdlb> in compiz
[05:24] <Peddy> Ah, thank you. I didn't know it was compiz-related :)
[05:24] <Peddy> well, I didn't know it uses Compiz' blur.
[05:24] <ahmina> jaunty hasn't been feature frozen has it?
[05:24] <crdlb> Peddy: did that work?
[05:24] <ahmina> I was wondering why alsa 1.0.19 isn't in jaunty yet.
[05:24] <Peddy> crdlb, yes, works nicely
[05:25] <DanaG> oh yeah, there's an alsa-driver-linuxant site that has a 1.0.19.
[05:25] <crdlb> blurring itself would be extremely slow and quite impractical
[05:25] <DanaG> 1.0.19 doesn't offer much difference for my hardware.
[05:25] <DanaG> ugh, stupid usb-creator won't let me force it to use an sdhc card.
[05:26] <RaW[b33f]> I am running an installed 9.04 Alpha 4 updated to the latest and I can find no pdf readers. kpdf, nor Adobe. Um..help?
[05:26] <DanaG> how would I go about deploying an iso file to an SD (SDHC) card?
[05:30] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: is evince not installed?
[05:31] <DanaG> usb-creator won't do it -- the memory card reader I want to boot from... is not on the USB bus.
[05:33] <RaW[b33f]> ziroday hmmm .. no
[05:34] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: well that's the default pdf viewer, you are using ubuntu right?
[05:34] <RaW[b33f]> ~$ which evince
[05:34] <RaW[b33f]> ~$
[05:34] <DanaG> ugh, it's a moot point, anyway.... can't use SDHC slot in Linux with anything older than 2.6.29.
[05:34] <RaW[b33f]> kubuntu
[05:35] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: ah, don't know about kubuntu, but I know they have some fancy viewer
[05:35] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: err do you have okular installed?
[05:35] <RaW[b33f]> is there a #kubuntu+1 channel?
[05:35] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: nope
[05:36] <RaW[b33f]> I do. Is it the inheritor of kpdf?
[05:36] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: yeah, okular is the sucessor to kpdf in kde4
[05:36] <RaW[b33f]> hmm
[05:36] <RaW[b33f]> I will do more work
[05:38]  * DanaG wonders when jaunty+1 will have repos.  =þ
[05:38] <RaW[b33f]> ty ziroday
[05:38] <dyf> hello
[05:38] <dyf> anyone notice the gimp crashes?
[05:38] <DanaG> heh, my laptop can boot from SD card... as long as the OS supports it.
[05:38] <dyf> it crashes and i get these messages
[05:38] <dyf> (script-fu:15174): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: gimp_wire_read(): error
[05:38] <dyf> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:42] <dyf> is there a way to report a bug with all the specs of my computer?
[05:44] <RaW[b33f]> ziroday - still odd though that I cannot see okular as an installed program in adept. Also, with the extra libraries installed I can install Adobe flash, but not Acrobat. I know that it is not part of production. It is just an odd thing I think.
[05:45] <ziroday> RaW[b33f]: well acrobat reader is propriatery, its probably in multiverse
[05:46] <RaW[b33f]> Oddly, not that I can see. I find the new Adept very confining though
[05:46] <RaW[b33f]> I got flash easy enough, but no Acrobat to be found
[05:54] <JanC> there is no acrobat-download-package in jaunty
[05:54] <RaW[b33f]> JanC Thank you. I am not crazy then :)
[05:56] <JanC> I've never needed it anyway, so why not use evince or whatever KDE provides
[05:56] <RaW[b33f]> For me they solve different issues
[06:06] <Volkodav> so python issue is not resolved yet huh ?
[06:06] <dyf> does evince support 'fill-able' pdf files?
[06:08] <crdlb> yes
[06:09] <crdlb> perhaps not perfectly, but it does support them
[06:11] <garou> I just noticed, the IDE controller card also vanished!
[06:11] <garou> (after updating to jaunty)
[06:12] <garou> lspci still sees it: 01:01.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02)
[06:12] <garou> But I can't access it an
[06:13] <garou> ymore via Nautilus.
[06:16] <RaW[b33f]> being new at the feedback end of things - where do I make my wishes/hopes/please oh please things known?
[06:18] <garou> RaW[b33f]: Sounds like an altar would be appropriate. :)
[06:18] <RaW[b33f]> COOL - where is it, I got penguin at the zoo I can steal
[06:18] <garou> Do you also have herrings that you can slip the penguins?
[06:19] <RaW[b33f]> ...erm .. I mean Gnus ...
[06:19] <garou> That should give you karma.
[06:19] <garou> ...which gives me a nice idea for a weird MMORPG...
[06:19] <RaW[b33f]> carp - I mean I have a selection of old Gates I can break up
[06:20] <RaW[b33f]> I guess one of my things is that the conf file for X11 now no longer has any conf in it
[06:21] <RaW[b33f]> I can understand part of it, but I want to tune the keys of my mouse
[08:02] <teethdood> anyone having issues with sound?
[08:29] <rww> Meh. Intrepid>Jaunty upgrade seems to be broken right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/335623
[09:53] <Slartibartfast> anybody else having problems to logout, reboot or halt the computer? ... seems i now really need to CTRL + ALT F1 > login to console and do these actions from there
[09:53] <crdlb> what do you mean by problems?
[09:53] <Slartibartfast> by ... not working anymore
[09:53] <Slartibartfast> not respons ....
[09:53] <crdlb> Ctrl+alt+bksp is disabled by default and log out was removed from the system menu (:/)
[09:54] <Slartibartfast> when going back to CTRL ALT F7 i see a complete blank screen
[09:54] <crdlb> nvidia?
[09:54] <dns53> there is a command to re enable ctrl alt bksp
[09:54] <Slartibartfast> dns53: how?
[09:55] <Slartibartfast> crdlb: yes
[09:55] <crdlb> common bug with that driver :/
[09:55] <Slartibartfast> crdlb: :-(
[09:56] <Slartibartfast> just upgraded that driver yes .... and this bug happened after that
[09:57] <Slartibartfast> how i can go back to the older driver ?
[09:57]  * Hobbsee grabs dontzap, after being reminded
[09:58] <crdlb> I'm on the fence about that feature
[09:58] <Hobbsee> alt+sysrq doesn't seem to work on my machine.
[09:58] <crdlb> at least it's not Shift+Bksp like it was in Xgl
[09:59] <crdlb> one of the Xgl developers thought c-a-b was too much work
[09:59] <Hobbsee> anyone else not getting a terminal when hitting ctrl+alt+f1, and getting bounced back to X?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:01] <crdlb> Hobbsee: intermittently
[10:01] <Hobbsee> hrm, ok
[10:01] <crdlb> now that I've tried it a dozen times, it works fine
[10:05] <Slartibartfast> So? ... can somebody tell me how to re- enable this CTRL ALT BKSP for killing X .. or do i have to google it ?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> dontzap
[10:06] <crdlb> sudo dontzap --disable
[10:06] <Slartibartfast> ah :-) .....
[10:06] <Slartibartfast> Thanks
[10:07] <crdlb> isn't there supposed to be a GUI coming, or did that get scrapped?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> there is in kde
[10:07] <Hobbsee> don't think there was enough time for gnome
[10:07] <crdlb> :/
[10:07] <Slartibartfast> Is this a ubuntu program or a linux program which is used by the other distro's too ......
[10:08] <crdlb> ubuntu really should make some decisions two releases in advance ...
[10:08] <Slartibartfast> because ctrl alt bsp in opensuse give me a rather annoying beep sound instead of killing x
[10:08] <mnemo> the dependency problem with ubuntu-desktop package is a known issue, correct?
[10:08] <crdlb> it's just setting an upstream xorg.conf option ("DontZap")
[10:09]  * Hobbsee checks just how old xserver-xorg is two releases ago
[10:09] <Hobbsee> oh, only one release less
[10:09] <Mycroft_> I got a strange bug on kde4 Jaunty, a rendering issue in the panel
[10:10] <Mycroft_> I don't konw against which package I am supposed to fill a bug
[10:10] <Mycroft_> it affects some widget but not all
[10:10] <mnemo> Mycroft_: what gfx card / chipset do you have?
[10:10] <Mycroft_> ati R300 + free driver
[10:10] <mnemo> can you show a screenshot of the problem?
[10:11] <Mycroft_> give me a minute
[10:11] <Mycroft_> mmh In fact I got to go
[10:11] <Mycroft_> so I'll be back later with a screenshot
[10:11] <mnemo> ok :)
[10:32] <Alexia_Death> Im actually seeing it too
[10:32] <Alexia_Death> and I have vidia binary
[10:32] <Alexia_Death> nvidia*
[10:33] <Alexia_Death> The lower/right borders of some widgets are renderde one pixel below/left. leaving one pixel gap.
[10:45] <rom> hi
[10:45] <rom_> hi
[10:46] <rom_> I have a problem, I can't install ubuntu-desktop package
[10:46] <rom_> it has been deinstalled yesterday with an upgrde
[10:46] <rom_> http://pastebin.com/d3ad6059c
[10:47] <fosco_> can hardly understand the error message
[10:47] <fosco_> but try to change your repos
[10:47] <fosco_> system - admin - software origins
[10:48] <rom_> the error message is "the following packages have unsatisfied dependencies"
[10:48] <rom_> ubuntu-desktop: depends gnome-app-install ...
[10:48] <rww> fosco_: It says that gnome-app-install, ubufox, and gnome-games can't be installed. Same thing is happening to some intrepid>jaunty upgrades right now. I think there's a broken python package somewhere.
[10:48] <rom_> recommends: gnome-games
[10:48] <fosco_> so, change your repos
[10:48] <fosco_> some packages in your current repos are broken
[10:49] <rom_> you're right : sudo apt-get install gnome-app-install : depends: python-launchpad-integration
[10:49] <rom_> python-launchpad-integration: Dépend: python (< 2.6) mais 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 devra être installé
[10:49] <rww> fosco_: The packages in the main repo are broken. The repos that are out of date and don't have the broken packages yet will be broken soon.
[10:49] <rom_> ok, so I have to wait
[10:49] <rom_> and reinstall ubuntu-desktop when it's ok?
[10:49] <rww> rom_: basically, yes. It'll probably get fixed soon.
[10:49] <fosco_> didn't know it
[10:49] <rom_> ok, thanks
[10:50] <rww> rom_: I or someone else will update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/335623 when it gets fixed.
[10:50]  * DanaG wishes ubuntu would do what suse does: it makes you ctrl-alt-backspace TWICE.
[10:50] <rom_> another little problem, evolution opens a dialog box instead of a notification when I get a new mail
[10:50] <DanaG> Not disable zap entirely... you have to press it twice.
[10:53] <rom_> My touchpad works in intrepid but not in jaunty, is it normal ?
[10:53] <rom_> or should I report
[11:00] <rww> rom_: might as well report it, especially if you know the laptop model and/or type of trackpad.
[11:02] <Wicla> in alpha4 you had to apt-get xorg-driver-synaptics to get it working. Dunno how it's in alpha5
[11:02] <rom_> ok I install it to test
[11:02] <rom_> I have to reboot I guess
[11:02] <rom_> I'll test later
[11:25] <amortvigil> hello is jaunty such breakable that when you install it it wil break every 5 minutes?
[11:25] <syockit> amortvigil: it happens between some updates
[11:26] <syockit> when I first started, it hung every 10 minutes or so. then after kernel updates, problem is gone
[11:26] <syockit> then other problems will crop out, or regressions may occur
[11:27] <amortvigil> syockit:and when will be the first beta?
[11:27] <syockit> but hopefully, by release candidate, every major bugs get fixed
[11:27] <amortvigil> somewhere in april?
[11:27] <syockit> Yeah, I think it's somewhere two-three weeks before the release
[11:28] <amortvigil> oaky
[11:28] <amortvigil> and i want to reinatall linux is it beter to stay with 8.10 or would you already install jaunty
[11:28] <syockit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[11:29] <syockit> amortvigil: if it's not work-critical, then you can Jaunty
[11:29] <syockit> by work-critical I mean your work's survival  depends on Ubuntu's stability
[11:30] <syockit> If using for leisure purpose, you can install Jaunty and help track bugs
[11:30] <amortvigil> syockit: well its not my work pc but it has also a windows dual boot
[11:31] <syockit> but if you're not used with how Ubuntu (or any Linux system) works, then better stay with Intrepid
[11:31] <syockit> ah, I first installed Ubuntu as dual boot too
[11:32] <syockit> It was kind of handy to have a working OS to get support from the internet when Ubuntu happens to break
[11:32] <syockit> although there is also the liveCD for that, but live CD boots up slow
[11:34] <amortvigil> syockit: i know how ubuntu works
[11:36] <syockit> How your experience will be also depends on your hardware. For example, my computer uses Intel graphics drivers, and they break often because the developers are making very rapid changes
[11:37] <syockit> It was the same case for Nvidia/ati too, but it seems they somehow have sorted out, as I'm seeing people complain about it less & less by day
[11:40] <amortvigil> hmm i have a netbook
[11:40] <amortvigil> so it will prpbably be a problem
[11:41] <amortvigil> acer aspire one
[11:41] <amortvigil> 150 bb
[11:42] <amortvigil> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
[11:42] <syockit> if don't have ubuntu installed, you can then try installing jaunty first. if there are too many breakages, then you can install intrepid over it (reformat the ubuntu partition)
[11:43] <syockit> btw I think currently, Jaunty's intel driver is buggy, many things are working sluggishly. I'm using a xorg-edgers driver, so I'm saved
[11:44] <amortvigil> xorg-edges/
[11:44] <amortvigil> ?
[11:47] <syockit> there's this PPA for bleeding-edge xorg drivers on launchpad.net
[11:48] <amortvigil> cool
[11:48] <Hobbsee> interesting.  I didn't know about that.
[12:41] <MichalPenka2> Hello everyone
[12:41] <MichalPenka2> I'm trying to install Jaunty (daily,amd64,alternate) and have a problem :( Can anyone help?
[12:42] <bardyr> !ask
[12:42] <MichalPenka2> The installer failes to continue because of python-launchpad-integration unmet depency
[12:42] <MichalPenka2> ubottu: ok, thanks :)
[12:43] <MichalPenka2> Have anyone same problem?
[12:43] <cruster> yes, python-launchpad-integration  depends on <<python 2.6, but python 2.6 is installed in system by default
[12:44] <cruster> python <<2.6*
[12:44] <bardyr> MichalPenka2, have you tried installing alpha5 ?, jaunty is in transition to move python 2.6 so some things will be broken until it is complete
[12:44] <MichalPenka2> cruster: have you solved it somehow?
[12:44] <cruster> not yet, sorry, just installed alpha5 :P
[12:45] <MichalPenka2> bardyr: alpha 5 is the very latest official release? The one I have is today's build
[12:45] <cruster> I also have problem with my bluetooth mouse...it is added to the system just fine, but does not connect...
[12:45] <s0ullight> hello, are python based packages broken?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:45] <bardyr> MichalPenka2, yea it was released a couple of days ago
[12:46] <syockit> install alpha-5, get updates and have it break again? no way!
[12:46] <bardyr> cruster, try blueman, it works much better
[12:46] <MichalPenka2> bardyr: So you have been successfull with alpha-5 installation
[12:46] <MichalPenka2> ?
[12:46] <cruster> syockit: yeah happens with upgrade but just some packages, they are not many
[12:46] <bardyr> syockit, just wait a couple of days to do a upgrade :)
[12:46] <bardyr> MichalPenka2, yea
[12:46] <s0ullight> Hobbsee, this is with the 3.0 2.5/6 compability isssues?
[12:47] <MichalPenka2> bardyr: ok, I'll give it a try, I have 97 % downloaded already :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> s0ullight: yes
[12:49] <MichalPenka2> bardyr: did you installed the desktop or the alternate way?
[12:49] <cruster> well, I guess python 2.6 packages are being prepared...hope they will not be late...
[12:49] <bardyr> MichalPenka2, alternative
[12:50] <MichalPenka2> bardyr: hm, I've accidentally downloaded desktop, but I'll try it
[12:50] <cruster> any clues for bluetooth connection issues?
[12:51] <bardyr> cruster, try blueman, it fixed all my bluetooth needs
[12:51] <cruster> bardyr: i'll give it a try, thanks
[12:52] <Hobbsee> cruster: ?  2.6.1 is already in there.  it's just that a lot of things don't work with them yet
[12:52] <bardyr> cruster, https://launchpad.net/blueman its not included in jaunty so you need to add a ppa
[12:52] <cruster> hobbsee: I mean programms that depend on python 2.6, my mistake
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:03] <jemark> hi, i can't install deluge in the latest daily image
[13:04] <cruster> bardyr: thanks, works just fine!
[13:04] <bardyr> cruster, great, np :)
[13:04] <cruster> bardyr: will it start automatically on boot?
[13:04] <bardyr> cruster, it should
[13:05] <bardyr> cruster, check you session
[13:05] <cruster> bardyr, yeah, it's there
[13:06] <cruster> bardyr: bluetooth manager applet is the old one, or the tray applet?
[13:07] <bardyr> cruster, huh?
[13:08] <cruster> bardyr: on my startup apps there is an entry "blueman bluetooth manager" and one "bluetooth manager applet". the latter is the tray icon or the old bluetooth manager?
[13:08] <bardyr> the latter is the old
[13:08] <cruster> ok thanks
[13:13] <syockit> lol I just realized the tabs in gvim uses native gtk widget instead! so gonna byebye gedit
[13:42] <dyf> does anyone else experience frequent gimp crashes?
[13:43] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any ideas on how to change the desktop picture from the console?
[13:45] <bardyr> shadowhywind, gconf?
[14:05] <vbgunz> whats going with suspend/resume. its really badly broken in Jaunty?
[14:08] <bardyr> after i installed a vanilla kernel of 2.6.29-rc all my problems went away
[14:09] <bardyr> my laptop has never played so nice with linux
[14:10] <vbgunz> bardyr: yeah, I heard suspend should be better with that kernel. damn
[14:11] <vbgunz> whats the easiest way for me to upgrade to that kernel if I am on Jaunty? do I have to build it all myself? I never trusted myself to do that :(
[14:12] <Hobbsee> yes, you need to build it
[14:12] <vbgunz> **ck!
[14:12] <bardyr> vbgunz, actually not
[14:12] <bardyr> vbgunz, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:12] <vbgunz> heh, everything is awesome. just this new box demands quite a bit of power... am hoping I could compensate with suspending it overnight
[14:14] <vbgunz> bardyr: you're turning out to be a savior. quick question. I am on x64. rc6 is what I am looking at for the latest kernel right?
[14:14] <vbgunz> also, do I only need 1 file?
[14:15] <bardyr> vbgunz, you need the _all.debs and the _amd64.debs
[14:15] <vbgunz> if this all goes to hell. I will at least ext4 :)
[14:15] <bardyr> im running ext4 with rc6 :)
[14:16] <vbgunz> bardyr: during everyday usage, do you notice a diff with ext4?
[14:17] <vbgunz> believe it or not the main reason I wanted to try it was because the fsck check after every 20 mounts takes a while on my system :(
[14:17] <vbgunz> just that one reason had me urging to upgrade... but I want to do it cleanly as possible
[14:18] <bardyr> vbgunz, nope, except its feels generally faster
[14:18] <Twigathy> Has anybody tried NFS root with ubuntu+1 yet? :)
[14:18] <vbgunz> ok, am going to try the kernel upgrade. just need to backup across two disks first
[14:18] <bardyr> vbgunz, i had some problems with ext4 on the .28 kernel but those seems fixed in .29
[14:20] <vbgunz> bardyr: one quick question. you go into your bios? I only have S1 and S3 options. which is yours?
[14:21] <bardyr> vbgunz, huh?
[14:21] <bardyr> vbgunz, my bios sucks so i dont really have any options
[14:25] <vbgunz> bardyr: oh, thought I ask
[14:26] <vbgunz> bardyr: ok, quick question. am backing up now
[14:27] <vbgunz> to successfully install those 3 debs, I need to provide them all to dpkg -i at the same time otherwise I would probably get dependency errors right?
[14:27] <vbgunz> theres 1 x64 and 2 __all debs
[14:28] <bardyr> vbgunz, install the _all first then the amd64
[14:29] <vbgunz> ok. worse comes to worse and I cannot boot up for some strange odd reason, I can always select the right kernel from grub before boot up?
[14:29] <vbgunz> so sorry, first time I am going to do a detour just to get something working :/
[14:31] <bardyr> vbgunz, yea
[14:33] <carl0s-> Anybody know why Konqueror might not work? I wanted to have a look at KDE so I used synaptic to install most of it.. wasn't really sure what packages I was selecting but the desktop is generally working fine now except for knetworkmanager not showing in tray, but konqueror dies (SIGSEGV) right away.
[14:35] <vbgunz> I thought knetworkmanager was replaced in the latest Kubuntu-desktop?
[14:36] <carl0s-> vbgunz, I dunno? Any idea what with? The network settings under system setting fails with "couldn't parse xml file", but I'm looking for a tray think like NM.
[14:37] <vbgunz> under systemsettings > advanced > network management. I don't know the name of the app *but* saw it replace knetworkmanager in the latest live CDs
[14:38] <carl0s-> Is there any way I can see what's making konqueror die? All I get is searchprovider desktop not found, then KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing...
[14:39] <carl0s-> vbgunz, I don't have any network settings under advanced. I have one under the general settings, but the network part of it (as opposed to proxy etc. part) dies with couldn't parse xml file.
[14:40] <bardyr> carl0s-, open it in the terminal
[14:40] <carl0s-> bardyr, I did, that's where I got the above.. nothing more :(
[14:40] <bardyr> use strace if that does not help
[14:40] <vbgunz> not sure I can help honestly. I mentioned it being replaced because on the latest live-cds it is. I also have it along side knetworkmanager myself. I don't really use either as I have a lan line that just works. I go wireless only when disaster strikes :(
[14:41] <carl0s-> This is all I get running konqueror from a terminal: http://pastebin.com/m7d6bb79b
[14:47] <vbgunz> bardyr: I will let you know how it goes, I promise :)
[14:47] <vbgunz> I am going to reboot and try suspending/resuming... hopefully it works and nvidia doesn't dog me in the anus
[14:47] <shadeslayer> hi
[14:48] <shadeslayer> i try running jaunty on my vbox,but
[14:48] <shadeslayer> i have a small problem
[14:48] <shadeslayer> it says boot:
[14:48] <shadeslayer> and stuck there
[14:48] <carl0s-> is there a proper way to install kde on ubuntu? I know there is kubuntu, but I just want to have a play. Is there somthing like "apt-get groupinstall kde" which does the same as picking "kde" on the initial installation of the system?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:49] <shadeslayer> carl0s-: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <carl0s-> Or should I be using Add/Remove Programs instead of Synaptic?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> see above
[14:49] <bazhang> there is no play
[14:49] <carl0s-> ah, ok. I'll try that.
[14:49] <shadeslayer> play??
[14:49] <bazhang> you can install and choose from login window
[14:49] <shadeslayer> nothing just says boot :
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yup
[14:49] <carl0s-> bazhang, SURE THERE
[14:49] <shadeslayer> press F10
[14:49] <carl0s-> bazhang, sure there is. I can play with things :)
[14:49] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:50] <bazhang> carl0s-, aha misunderstood you :)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> any idea h=guys
[14:50] <carl0s-> ah ok :)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> *guys
[14:50] <carl0s-> no idea sorry :(
[14:50] <carl0s-> what's a vbox? virtualbox?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:51] <bazhang> bad burn
[14:51] <shadeslayer> burn
[14:51] <bazhang> or corrupt iso
[14:51] <shadeslayer> i didnt burn a cd
[14:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:51] <shadeslayer> nooooo
[14:51] <bazhang> check md5
[14:51] <carl0s-> won't you miss all the compositing running it in a vm though?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> i dont think so
[14:51] <carl0s-> shadeslayer, you're trying to boot a blank disc? :)
[14:51] <shadeslayer> noo
[14:51] <bazhang> heh
[14:51] <carl0s-> ah :)
[14:51] <shadeslayer> checking
[14:52] <bazhang> not a burn then its the iso
[14:52] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:52] <shadeslayer> lets see
[14:52] <shadeslayer> 60 pc done
[14:53] <shadeslayer> nope no errors
[14:53] <bazhang> md5?
[14:54] <Delvien> wow, the new compiz updates are nice!
[14:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:54] <shadeslayer> no errors
[14:54] <Delvien> that and everything seems more smooth
[14:56] <carl0s-> I like the new gdm layout. super sexy. makes it a shame that I just hibernate all the time. They need to make the unlock-screen thing sexy like that.
[14:56] <Delvien> new GDM layout? hmm
[14:57] <carl0s-> yeah. came through on updates a few days ago.
[14:57] <carl0s-> all dark and redy
[14:57] <shadeslayer> really??
[14:57] <carl0s-> well, the login thing. that's gdm, right?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:58] <carl0s-> oh
[14:58] <carl0s-> I do have updates-proposed repos enabled and what not.
[14:58] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> well i have too
[14:58] <carl0s-> :)
[14:58] <shadeslayer> but no updates for me :(
[14:59] <carl0s-> oh :(
[14:59] <carl0s-> hmm
[14:59] <Delvien> Yeah, it is nice
[14:59] <Delvien> in 9.10 they said they are getting rid of their crap-color-ui
[15:00] <Delvien> my laptop is down to 14 second boot up time :D and its only 1.67ghz dual core 1gig of ram 667mhz fsb
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Delvien: 9.04??
[15:00] <carl0s-> the brown? I didn't like it. I always use fedora style clearlooks blue with gartoon icons, but just recently I went back to ubuntu default and I really like it now. The icons look very professional and I like the brown now.
[15:01] <Delvien> shadeslayer: yep
[15:01] <Delvien> shadeslayer: wait, are you responding to my boot up time, or UI change comment?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> both
[15:01] <carl0s-> i'm gonna try thing kubuntu-desktop thing now then, see you later, thanks for the help.
[15:01] <Delvien> shadeslayer: your question is invalid then. They are two different subjects
[15:01] <Delvien> 9.10 will be the default UI update.
[15:01] <carl0s-> ERR: INVALID QUESTION
[15:02] <carl0s-> :p
[15:02] <Delvien> in 9.04 im getting a nice boot up time
[15:02] <shadeslayer> does it crash often??
[15:02] <Delvien> No crashes yet
[15:02] <shadeslayer> how much time??
[15:02] <Delvien> well, a nautilus crash, but it came right back up no problem
[15:02] <Delvien> shadeslayer: I already said
[15:03] <shadeslayer> i mean
[15:04] <shadeslayer> how much time since upgrade
[15:05] <carl0s-> cool
[15:05] <carl0s-> installing kubuntu-desktop has really worked. I have network-manager style tray applet now for wifi/lan , and konqueror works :)
[15:05] <draik_> Is Jaunty's appearance to be the same as Intrepid with KDE4.2?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> so any idea why the ISO wont boot
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ?
[15:06] <draik_> Hey there shadeslayer
[15:06] <shadeslayer> MD5 is fine,no errors
[15:06] <shadeslayer> heya
[15:07] <draik_> ISO for Jaunty Alpha 5?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> problems with jaunty now ><
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:07] <shadeslayer> it shows boot :
[15:07] <shadeslayer> thats all
[15:08] <draik_> I'm trying Jaunty right now and hoping that it resolves my issue with the freezing, nepomuk running at 99-100% CPU and the sudden loss of Internet connection.
[15:09] <draik_> While installing, I get to the part of the keyboards and then I have nothing with choosing a hard drive. It's almost like it stalls there. The back and forward buttons are out and I only have Quit from which to choose.
[15:12] <shadeslayer> draik_: did you use a vbox??
[15:13] <draik_> Nope
[15:14] <draik_> This is supposed to be a direct install onto the 1TB HDD
[15:14] <draik_> This is also a new 1TB HDD from yesterday.
[15:14] <draik_> I returned the previous one that I've had for 3 weeks.
[15:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:17] <shadeslayer> so does anybody know whats wrong
[15:17] <shadeslayer> its a 64bit CD
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ><
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ISO
[15:19] <IntuitiveNipple> problems?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:19] <shadeslayer> i use a vbox to boot a ISO
[15:19] <shadeslayer> 64 bit
[15:19] <shadeslayer> but i get just boot :
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thats it
[15:20] <draik_> What happens if you just hit "enter"
[15:20] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[15:20] <draik_> IIRC, Knoppix does the same thing. You just have to hit [enter] and you're booting Knoppix
[15:20] <shadeslayer> btw first i need to kill synaptiv
[15:21] <shadeslayer> *c
[15:21] <bardyr> how can i make it so network-manager can manage my eth0 ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> whats the command??
[15:21] <draik_> sudo killall synaptic
[15:21] <shadeslayer> apt??
[15:21] <draik_> If you have the PID, 'sudo kill -9 <pid>'
[15:21] <shadeslayer> uh nope
[15:24] <draik_> This is the error message I'm getting now when trying to have Jaunty install onto my HDD...
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:25] <draik_> Partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[15:25] <shadeslayer> ill brb
[15:25] <draik_> I've already hit retry. This is the 2nd time I'm getting this error message.
[15:26] <IntuitiveNipple> draik_: What does the syslog show?
[15:27] <draik_> IntuitiveNipple: A lot of stuff. I'm going through the listing of the HDDs in my desktop (4 total)
[15:29] <IntuitiveNipple> draik_: can you pastebin the results of "ls -l /"
[15:29] <draik_> I'm also noticing that it's only picking up on 2 HDDs, none of which are my 1TB. /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 is all I show
[15:29] <draik_> IntuitiveNipple: Sure thing.
[15:32] <draik_> IntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.com/m35c4e2ad
[15:35] <IntuitiveNipple> There was nothing on that URL - said it was invalid - but I found the paste in the list
[15:36] <draik_> Sorry, that was to be 36, not 35 :(
[15:36] <draik_> IntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.com/m36c4e2ad
[15:36] <wathek> hello all
[15:36] <wathek> I need to get qt 4.5 rc1 which is in the jaunty repos is it possible to add the jaunty repos to my kubuntu intrepid to update qt ?
[15:37] <bazhang> wathek, it is alpha 5
[15:37] <draik_> !release
[15:37] <wathek> yes I know but I need to get the qt4.5 packages
[15:37] <bazhang> wathek, just running jaunty and things will break, adding a jaunty repo will definitely break intrepid
[15:37] <IntuitiveNipple> draik_: Well the obvious thing I was looking for isn't the cause.
[15:38] <bazhang> mixing repos is always a very bad idea
[15:38] <draik_> IntuitiveNipple: Which was ...?
[15:38] <svu> python-launchpad-integration: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[15:38] <svu> what's wrong with that package?
[15:38] <IntuitiveNipple> draik_: badly prepared ISO image
[15:38] <draik_> Ah. Good to know that's not the issue.
[15:41] <draik_> The reason I'm wanting to go onto Jaunty right now is because my current Intrepid keeps dropping the 'net connection at a random point which then leaves me with with no way of updating the newly installed system. After that, it's only a matter of minutes before the entire system freezes and I'm left with nothing.
[15:43] <IntuitiveNipple> svu: It was announced on ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:43] <garou> Woohoo. And I'm preparing to downgrade to Intrepid. ^^
[15:43] <IntuitiveNipple> svu: After the alpha-5 release we will update the python interpreter from 2.5.4 to 2.6.1.  For about 24 hours you will no be able to cleanly update jaunty, until some packages are rebuilt with python2.6.
[15:44] <IntuitiveNipple> svu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000541.html
[15:44] <BUGabundo> is audio working for anyone?
[15:44]  * BUGabundo damn python migration... removed many apps!
[15:44] <d1g1t> here too >:(
[15:47] <svu> IntuitiveNipple, thanks!
[15:50] <draik_> What is the release date for 9.04?
[15:51] <BUGabundo>  !release
[15:51] <tgpraveen> april 23
[15:51] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[15:52] <draik_> Awesome. That's the page I was trying to find.
[15:52] <draik_> Thanks tgpraveen and BUGabundo
[15:52] <BUGabundo> np draik_
[15:53] <shadeslayer> guys the loading bar needs some work
[16:02] <draik_> What is nepomukservices?
[16:02] <draik_> And is it required?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo> draik_: is a great KDE inovation
[16:03] <BUGabundo> it index metatags from files and services
[16:03] <draik_> It's the cause of my system freezing.
[16:03] <draik_> dmesg | tail is "nepomukservices[5982]: segfault at 4 ip b7da87e2 sp bfcaf2a0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7d55000+225000]"
[16:06] <BUGabundo> draik_: please report it
[16:07] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp nepomukservices
[16:08] <draik_> BUGabundo: Error: Invalid problem report
[16:08] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:08] <draik_> package nepomukservices does not exist
[16:08] <BUGabundo> let me check the proper package name
[16:08] <draik_> Thank you
[16:08] <draik_> :)
[16:09] <BUGabundo> damn
[16:09] <BUGabundo> I can't find the package that brings nepomuk
[16:09] <BUGabundo> anybody knows ?
[16:10] <draik_> It seems to be network manager related
[16:10] <vbgunz> bardyr: I can never get suspend/resume working... the most luck I got with the 2.6.29rc6 kernel is putting my bios in S3, suspending to RAM. I can resume *but* always have a IO error that makes the desktop simply unusable :/
[16:10] <draik_> What happens if I uninstall kNetworkManager?
[16:10] <vbgunz> I tried so many settings such as S1, S3, acpi-support from mem to standby... everything seems to work great but suspending and resuming is nothing more than a total and utter nightmare :(
[16:11] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: please debug the suspend
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and file bugs. I'm sure Leann will help you triage it fast... it has only happened to me
[16:11] <BUGabundo> and some time latter it gets fixed
[16:11] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: usually its just a drivers that needs a little push
[16:11] <BUGabundo> or blacklist
[16:12] <BUGabundo> draik_: you will lose the ability to manage your networks
[16:12] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I have. I checked launchpad and so many have. there is never a solution though and upgrading the kernel where this is supposedly fixed doesn't work for me at all. the closest I get it to working is suspending to ram once. I get back and all I have is IO errors. The drive is locked, dead, read only :(
[16:12] <draik_> I only have 1 and it's DHCP so I don't really manage anything.
[16:12] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting
[16:13] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: What's the bug reference relating to your issue?
[16:13] <vbgunz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/334644
[16:13] <vbgunz> thats just mine.
[16:13] <vbgunz> but there are so many more and some are just different problems all together (problems I don't experience)
[16:14] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: please ping Leann
[16:14] <BUGabundo> ogasawara on #ubuntu-devel
[16:15] <vbgunz> I upgraded the kernel at 9:47am.... it is now 11:14am and I tried so many things. I read this was supposed to be fixed in 2.6.29. I upgraded to rc6 and it simply fails me :(
[16:15] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: So the problem is an SM card?
[16:15] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: ?
[16:15] <vbgunz> I have a Sony Memory stick inserte
[16:16] <vbgunz> that would be nuts... I would have to remove it before sleeping?
[16:16] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: don't mind me... I didn't scroll backward far enough in the dmesg log :)
[16:16] <vbgunz> heh, no way that trivial
[16:16] <vbgunz> hehe
[16:16] <draik_> BUGabundo: How do I go about removing the network manager for Intrepid?
[16:17] <vbgunz> how do I blacklist my haddrives? I can come out of ram suspension *but* the disk always ends up dead read only :(
[16:17] <BUGabundo> draik_: #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[16:17] <BUGabundo> here is Jaunty....
[16:17] <draik_> Right. Sorry.
[16:18] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: let me see if I can find the debug wiki
[16:18] <vbgunz> when I resume from S3 memory suspension, my twinview nvidia setup comes back just fine. I see everything right where I left it. the only problem I can honestly see is my drive is dead...
[16:18] <BUGabundo> you may need to mess up your CMOS clock
[16:18] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: OK, what I need is for you to shutdown, do a cold start, try a suspend/resume. Restart then attach /var/log/kern.log to that bug report.
[16:18] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[16:18] <BUGabundo> wait!
[16:18] <vbgunz> once my drive is dead, no amount of commands will get it back :(
[16:18] <BUGabundo> can you pastebin the driver controler?
[16:19] <vbgunz> how?
[16:19] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: don't worry; I'll deal with it.
[16:19] <BUGabundo> lspci -vvvv
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ok IntuitiveNipple
[16:19] <BUGabundo> but im guessing it's a sata controler that is using the wrong driver
[16:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Unfortunately the dmesg logs aren't complete enough
[16:20] <vbgunz> http://dpaste.com/3294/
[16:20] <vbgunz> thats a lot of info
[16:20] <vbgunz> I have 6GB RAM, and a 12GB swap file (not partition)
[16:21] <IntuitiveNipple> It looks like a pata_jmircon... I've dealt with issues with those before.
[16:21] <vbgunz> if thats a problem. I have 1 sata drive and 2 IDE drives (3 including the CD drive)
[16:24] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I thank you for any ideas, clues hints as to how to get back a drive that isn't dead on wake up
[16:24] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: Read my comment on the bug report
[16:27] <vadi21> Hi, previous releases of Ubuntu used to detect the install cdrom as a valid source for packages. 9.04 alpha 5 does not do that - is the cdrom not a source of packages anymore or is it yet another bug?
[16:27] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: ok, restart normally. then with bios in S3, suspend to RAM in gui. when it comes back (dead drive) try to read /var/log/kern.log OR reboot cold, *then* paste /var/log/kern.log?
[16:27] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: Yes please
[16:27] <BUGabundo> back
[16:27] <vbgunz> ok, will try it.
[16:27] <Riesh> Hi , what about kde 4.2.1? ... will this get into jaunty?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> lets see if pidgin holds now
[16:28] <BUGabundo> if it fails I'll file (an angry) bug
[16:30] <siegie> Riesh: 4.1.1 was in intrepid, so i don't see why not
[16:31] <siegie> Riesh: even 4.1.4 was available through  updates
[16:31] <Riesh> siegie OK ...  :-) thanks
[16:32] <Riesh> any idea when 4.2.1 comes out ? ... got a bug with ark which seems to get fixed with 4.2.1
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: The only change since 2.6.28-7.20 is:
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> git log --pretty=format:"%h %ci %s" Ubuntu-2.6.28-7.20..HEAD -- drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/
[16:34] <IntuitiveNipple> 6748b08 2009-02-17 03:18:40 +0000 Subject: UBUNTU: SAUCE: [PATCH] LP#193970 iwlagn: fix hw-rfkill while the interface is down
[16:34] <siegie> Riesh: look at kde 4.2 Release_Schedule
[16:38] <Riesh> siegie: ok thanks ... seems to be in about a few days
[16:39] <vbgunz> yeah, rebooted, suspended to ram, came back with dead drive. am going to upload kern.log now to the report
[16:39] <siegie> Riesh: Nice and kubuntu team is always fast in implementing new versions,
[16:40] <Turl> hi
[16:41] <Riesh> siegie looking forward to it :-) ... i really like 4.2(.x) ... only wish the fade in effect from splash to desktop did work
[16:41] <Turl> upgrading wants to break half my system - once again :S
[16:42] <Turl> it wants to delete apturl, compizconfig-settings-manager, gnome-app-install, gnome-games, python-compizconfig, python-launchpad-integration, simple-ccsm, ubufox and ubuntu-desktop.
[16:42] <Turl> any thought?
[16:42] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I have no idea what the problem is
[16:43] <vbgunz> I never removed the SM card... should I do that before suspending?
[16:43] <siegie> Turl: wait a day or so?
[16:43] <Turl> the 'breakers' are gimp, hpijs, hplip, openoffice.org-* and python-*
[16:43] <vbgunz> I updated the bug report with the kern.log like you asked for
[16:43] <Turl> siegie: has been like this since yesterday
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Turl: from an email on ubuntu-devel-discuss - or about 24 hours you will no be able to cleanly update jaunty, until
[16:43] <charlie-tca> some packages are rebuilt with python2.6.
[16:43] <vbgunz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/334644
[16:43] <vbgunz> kern.log attached after suspending to ram, coming out (resuming) with a dead drive
[16:43] <Turl> ok charlie-tca, thanks ;)
[16:44] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[16:47] <vbgunz> when you suspend to ram. pressing the power button to resume. aren't you supposed to be back to normal pretty quick?
[16:47] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: my system takes 5-8 secs
[16:48] <Turl> vbgunz: yeah
[16:48] <vbgunz> it took me about a 1 minute. black screen. then when it appears normal. I have a dead drive.
[16:49] <Turl> unless you own a really old pc without ACPI (I believe, if you press the power button on those, they get shut down like with the power cord. but nevermind, I think they don't have the technology to suspend :p)
[16:49] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I really appreciate your time. do you have an idea what the problem is?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> too long
[16:49] <Turl> vbgunz: 1 whole minute? too much
[16:49] <Turl> vbgunz: and why don't you just remove that dead drive? it might cause the slowdown
[16:50] <Turl> the OS might be trying to wake it up
[16:50] <BUGabundo> that could be it!
[16:50] <vbgunz> yeah, but I think its because its trying to wake up the drive and failing miserably
[16:50] <vbgunz> Turl: the drive is only dead upon resuming otherwise it works perfect
[16:51] <Turl> oh, you mean, the drive is not phisically broken?
[16:51] <Turl> hm, is it an IDE drive or a sata one?
[16:51] <vbgunz> Turl: the drive is just fine. resuming never works :(
[16:51] <vbgunz> my main drive is sata. I have 2 others that are IDE.
[16:52] <BUGabundo> could be buggy impmentation
[16:52] <vbgunz> my entire linux setup is pretty much on the sata
[16:52] <BUGabundo> bios, controler, disk
[16:52] <Turl> can you try this? remove the disks from the system, boot from a livecd and suspend
[16:52] <Turl> then you can know if the disk(s) are the culprit
[16:52] <vbgunz> I really don't want to try that and would favor another possible solution?
[16:53] <vbgunz> I mean if worse comes to worse I would I guess
[16:53] <vbgunz> but I need the disk no matter what. maybe telling them to never sleep? not sure
[16:53] <BUGabundo> I never manage to get a laptop or PC to hibernate from LiveCD
[16:53] <BUGabundo> EVER
[16:53] <Turl> vbgunz: you can disable the disks on the BIOS and try that
[16:54] <Turl> or maybe you have the posibility to choose 'Enhanced' mode for them, that always works best
[16:54] <Turl> (always on the BIOS, I mean)
[16:54] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: Is that one of the mainline test kernels?
[16:54] <vbgunz> hmm
[16:55] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: "Linux version 2.6.29-020629rc6-generic"
[16:55] <vbgunz> I remember enabling PCI busmastering in the bios...
[16:55] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I got it from kernel-ppa
[16:55] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: the same exact problems existsed on 2.26.28 jaunty
[16:55] <vbgunz> I upgraded the kernel *because* supposedly suspend/resume was fixed. I thought I try it
[16:56] <vbgunz> but still the same ol problems
[16:56] <Turl> try setting the IDE disks to 'enhanced' if the BIOS allows that
[16:56] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: I think the problem is the BIOS S3 suspend. What happens when you let the kernel handle it?
[16:57] <Turl> vbgunz: I think seeing dmesg after resuming and getting the dead disk might be of help
[16:57] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I only have S1 and S3 in bios. if I say S1, resuming never wakes up and I head something spinning big time or blowing hard in the box. if I say S3 it at least comes back just with a dead drive
[16:58] <vbgunz> it also has a BIOS or OS wakeup. I tried both. I always seem to get the same results though
[16:58]  * BUGabundo please remind me: is S1 or S3 a deeper state?
[16:58] <vbgunz> I have an MSI 7374 motherboard
[16:58] <Turl> S3 is deeper iirc
[16:59] <vbgunz> yeah, but S1 fails miserably. suspend to disk or memory doesn't work. S3, the best chances I have are suspending to memory
[16:59] <Turl> S1 -> CPU stopped, S3->Suspend to RAM, S4->suspend to disk
[17:00] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: What method do you use to suspend? The desktop GUI interface?
[17:00] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[17:00] <vbgunz> through KDE4 suspend to ram option
[17:00] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: We have a catch-22 situation with this. kern.log isn't going to capture anything useful since on resume the system can't access the disks
[17:01] <Turl> IntuitiveNipple: can't he try to do it from a livecd?
[17:01] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: Would you be able to rig up a serial console from the affected PC to another PC, that could capture the events immediately on resume (hopefully) ?
[17:02] <vbgunz> only 1 box here... man, I am bummed out. going through my MSI manual for the bios now
[17:02] <Turl> vbgunz: give the livecd a try, I usually can suspend using it :p
[17:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Turl: worth a try although if the same thing occurs he can't get to the log-file since it is only in memory.
[17:02] <Turl> IntuitiveNipple: he said the system gets back to normal, except for the disk
[17:03] <Turl> so I believe the files in memory would still be there
[17:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Turl: like I said, worth a try :)
[17:03] <vbgunz> is there someway to say, no matter what, return to a read/write disk even on failure? I mean just to test this out, not to actually do it if its a bad idea
[17:03] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: no
[17:04] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: You could try one thing... disconnect every accessory except those that are essential.
[17:04] <Harde> Is ATI 9.2-drivers working for someone? I just tried those on 32-bit Jaunty and no go
[17:04] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I will try again then
[17:05] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: Try the live-CD, that is easiest for now :)
[17:05] <IntuitiveNipple> vbgunz: If you get a kern.log after the resume attach it to the bug report and I'll be pinged
[17:05] <vbgunz> IntuitiveNipple: I will try that too I suppose, I do have 1
[17:05] <vbgunz> ok, disconnected mostly everything that is not important
[17:05] <vbgunz> be back in a bit
[17:12] <TuTUXG> snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 228576 bytes (1295 ms) Most likely this is a Linux bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[17:12] <TuTUXG> nice
[17:12] <TuTUXG> blame on linux, everyone ought to do that
[17:14] <lanoxx-> does anyone know a program that can anlyze sd cars?
[17:14] <lanoxx-> cards
[17:14] <lanoxx-> for defects
[17:15] <Turl> lanoxx-: idk if it can do that, but it works for disks. the program is badblocks
[17:16] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: its just a driver bug
[17:16] <TuTUXG> BUGabundo, think they will solve that in beta?
[17:17] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:27] <lanoxx-> hmm, thx Turl, ill have a try
[17:28] <lanoxx-> Turl, in which package is that tool included?
[17:29] <Turl> it's installed by default :p
[18:11] <sammy> I can run apt-get update, there are updates available, but then I never see the icon in the notification area.
[18:12] <crdlb> yeah, in jaunty, the update-manager is just supposed to randomly pop up apparently :/
[18:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Jaunty has done away with it
[18:12] <crdlb> you can set a gconf-key for update-notifier to restore the old behavior
[18:12] <BUGabundo> sammy: its gonne
[18:12] <BUGabundo> long discussion STILL ongoing on devel-list
[18:12] <IntuitiveNipple> But if you pay the ransom, it might come back ;)
[18:12] <BUGabundo> crdlb: really?
[18:13] <BUGabundo> the bug for that is still in NEW
[18:13]  * BUGabundo looks at gconf
[18:13] <crdlb> /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[18:13] <BUGabundo> mine is ON
[18:13] <BUGabundo> but I never get it !
[18:13] <crdlb> I glanced at the source, and if that key is enabled, it pops up, if it isn't, you get the icon
[18:13] <BUGabundo> wait
[18:14] <BUGabundo> OFF means icon?
[18:14] <BUGabundo> oh...
[18:14]  * BUGabundo changes it
[18:14] <sammy> I was still searching for the bug, I'm sure someone had reported it.
[18:14] <crdlb> auto_launch means automatically launch update-manager
[18:14] <BUGabundo> too many "this key as no schema"
[18:14] <sammy> so, let me ask, how will update-manager notify me of, say, a pending security update I should install, if it is checking but not automatically installing each day
[18:15] <crdlb> it's still checking
[18:15] <BUGabundo> sammy: every two days it will check for them
[18:16] <BUGabundo> and POPUP update-manager if security updates are availb
[18:16] <BUGabundo> and weekly for apps updates and bug fixes
[18:16] <BUGabundo> check the devel ML archive
[18:16] <sammy> oh wow. yeah, let me join in on that discussion :P I don't like applications popping up when I dont ask them to.
[18:16] <sammy> thanks for the heads up
[18:16] <crdlb> the idea is that update-manager will pop up in the background (although the ubuntu developers don't seem to realize that there is no standard way to make a window open in the background ...)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> sammy: too late for that
[18:17] <sammy> I don't like applications popping up at all, i thought thats what the 'notification area' was for :)
[18:17] <sammy> ah.
[18:17] <BUGabundo> we even have a bug for it
[18:17] <Twigathy> I think flashing the icon red or something is a decent enough way of informing the user there's security updates
[18:17] <sammy> well if the developers want to leave a gconf key I can fiddle with, I guess that's better than turning it off completely
[18:17] <BUGabundo> bruce89 got a really nice appolagy from Mark
[18:17] <bruce89> where?
[18:18] <sammy> I mean to say, that's what they should do, leave it up to me to set the behavior I want, if there is disparity over what the community decides should be the best behavior
[18:18] <BUGabundo> didn't you read it bruce89?
[18:18] <bruce89> I get digests
[18:18] <BUGabundo> > So, thanks to Bruce Cowan for raising the thread.
[18:18] <BUGabundo> Date: Wednesday 09:40:04
[18:18] <sammy> I can't really argue with that, they *are* the ones doing the development, not me. as long as they don't just kill the option completely. wow, cheers for being up on things, everyone. I need to subscribe to a mailing list or three if I'm going to be running jaunty, it seems
[18:18] <bruce89> not really an apology, I've read that
[18:19] <BUGabundo> yeah
[18:19] <bruce89> sorry, I was trying my best to not fall asleep watching England Ireland
[18:19] <BUGabundo> announce, devel, and devel-discuss
[18:19] <BUGabundo> np bruce89
[18:19] <sammy> popping up a window, really? that's what they decided on? I guess its another 'whats best for the lowest common denominator' as opposed to those of us who run backports and things that update very regularly
[18:20] <bruce89> 3 all at half time for goodness sake
[18:20] <sammy> but I missed the conversation so I'll keep to myself about it :)
[18:20] <bruce89> sammy: yes, apparently they thought that no-one knew what notification icons are
[18:21] <bruce89> generally, they say users are stupid, we say that we aren't
[18:21] <sammy> bruce89, yeah, those users should just have security updates done for them, those that want to use their computer as a toaster
[18:21]  * sammy buys them all webtv
[18:21]  * sammy puts them on a separate, segregated internet, as well
[18:21] <bruce89> it makes what people say about GNOME devs look good
[18:22] <sammy> Internet for Grandparents [tm]
[18:22] <bruce89> I appreciate the argument, but I think the majority of users have brains
[18:22] <sammy> bruce89, I agree, I don't believe in catering to the lowest common denominator in, what seems to me to be, an attempt to increase the number of adopters
[18:23] <bruce89> I think I've got a good angle though - dialogues can't be ignored, balloons could be
[18:23] <bruce89> sammy: it just pissed of ex-Warty users such as myself
[18:23] <bruce89> with t 'f's
[18:23] <sammy> once you treat users like idiots, they behave like idiots, and start to believe the computer runs itself with no required intervention to make sure it's not hacked or virus infected etc
[18:23] <bruce89> dialogues appearing is very virus-like actually
[18:24]  * bruce89 thinks Canonical should heed Microsoft's (only) wise words "there is no patch for human stupidity"
[18:24] <sammy> if you want a webtv, go buy a webtv. if you want a computer, recognize it's the most complicated thing we've come up with as a species, and that it requires a bit of effort to keep maintained. it's not like people pay computer-mechanics to maintain the ubuntu box every 3000 days
[18:24] <bruce89> there's a good job to get
[18:25] <sammy> 'oh, miss, you forgot to update for security fixes' 'yeah whatever here's $20 do it yourself'
[18:25] <mnemo> its slightly arrogant to think that the device _you_ engineer can be allowed to take up that much time just to be maintained... what if your stereo, TV and what not did the same... it wouldnt work... computers SHOULD take care of themselves.. its not "okay" that they becomes infected with virus just because no-one is running a ton of commands on them every now and then...
[18:25] <bruce89> I'm sure the weight of user annoyance will change their mind
[18:25] <sammy> mnemo, there's the crux of the argument, right there. the amount of time it takes to maintain
[18:26] <bruce89> the thing is u-m will pop up as much as once a week
[18:26] <bruce89> so there could be a week of security issues
[18:26] <bruce89> so not only is it annoying, but it doesn't help
[18:26] <BUGabundo> 2 days actually
[18:26] <sammy> we're not arguing over the amount of maintaining that's required, just who should be doing it, the user, or the device itself
[18:26] <BUGabundo> for security
[18:26] <mnemo> my mom wont even click _any_ update anywhere, so the only way to fix it for her would be automatically installation
[18:26] <bruce89> BUGabundo: they changed it to 8
[18:26] <bruce89> 7
[18:27] <sammy> mnemo, and my argument is she has no place  using a computer. I don't see the point in trying to get more people to use a device they don't care to understand how it works
[18:27] <sammy> thats how viruses spread in the first place
[18:27] <bruce89> TBH only people who know what they are doing should be be sudoers
[18:28] <bruce89> and if that means no-one is regularly logging in, enable unattended-upgrades
[18:28] <BUGabundo> bruce89: AFAIK 7 days is for bug fixes
[18:28] <BUGabundo> security is at 2
[18:28] <mnemo> sammy: she must use one to do banking etc... she must use a lot of stuff, it would be insane if each one of those devices forced her to learn a lot of things etc... its easy to say "yeah but this minimal maintainence is just plain required" but if you consider your entire home with all devices it very quickly gets messy...
[18:28] <bruce89> still, it's bloody silly no matter how long
[18:29] <bruce89> non-security updates aren't critical, so they don't need to be installed
[18:29] <mnemo> as long as you can set it to "automatic install" I think its fine with only a notification icon blinking etc, that would take care of both me and my mom I think
[18:30] <BUGabundo> mnemo: think on the other side of things!
[18:30] <BUGabundo> they MAY require you too reboot
[18:30] <bruce89> gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[18:30] <BUGabundo> the use lots of CPY/MEM/IO
[18:30] <mnemo> BUGabundo: heh automatic reboot would be _pretty_ painful lol =) hmm..
[18:30] <sammy> mnemo, I just think that the idea that everything should take the minimal amount of user interaction so that they can have more time to do the things they 'want' to do is a good one. it's how we get ourselves into the mess we are now, where people think that anything is fantastic as long as it saves me time.
[18:30]  * bruce89 likes nag screens
[18:31] <BUGabundo> mnemo: I've seen MSFT doing it on win2k
[18:31] <mnemo> BUGabundo: windows installs them automatically while the machine is reasonably idle (or eventually forces them to be installed if its been too long)
[18:31] <mnemo> BUGabundo: yeah I guess they have been struggling with the same problem
[18:31] <bruce89> hardly anything really needs a reboot, and it's not usually very critical time wise
[18:32] <BUGabundo> never checked the "source" to be sure how "it" does them
[18:32] <BUGabundo> kernel, NM, and a few otheres
[18:32] <BUGabundo> are the only that require reboot
[18:32] <sammy> and while this is a fantastic discussion, no sarcasm, my argument is only that I don't like windows popping up when I don't ask them to, and that there's a whole area for notification that doesn't impede my workspace, and that's the notification area, which has been around in windows, linux and mac desktops for a long time, and if someone doesn't care to pay attention to the icons in their system tray/notification area, then they're
[18:32] <sammy> just thinking the computer takes less effort on their part than it should. there *is* a line you can cross where you expect the computer to do too much on it's own, and that is out of want and convenience, not necessity.
[18:32] <bruce89> so what if a few extra minutes are taken?
[18:32] <tretle> hi, when trying to install dependencies from pt in the terminal I get this error - E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[18:33] <bruce89> sammy: Canonical has done no official study either
[18:33] <sammy> tretle, it sounds like you're trying to install a source package as opposed to a pre-compiled binary package. try opening update-manager and making sure 'source packages' is selected as an option to install packages from
[18:33] <bruce89> they're just going on personal moans
[18:33] <BUGabundo> their excusse: the team is not YET fully staffed
[18:33] <BUGabundo> DUH
[18:33] <tretle> Im using sudo apt-get build-dep
[18:33] <sammy> bruce89, I can't fault the developers, as I said; they're the ones developing, not me. what I can argue is their reasoning behind it
[18:34] <bruce89> BUGabundo: it won't be until I'm in it
[18:34] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[18:34] <BUGabundo> I read something like that
[18:34]  * bruce89 tried to join the en_GB team to stop their "Deleted Items" crap
[18:35] <sammy> and the idea that users aren't paying attention to the notification area... that's really, imho, something basic that computer users should pay attention to. and if they don't or, like grandma, just don't want to, then thats like someone saying 'i want a car but I don't want to have to heed all those gauges, ill just maintain it on my own schedule.'
[18:35] <mnemo> sammy: if something requires maintainence it risks being deprecated in favor of a combination of light-weight devices such as amazon kindle, a splashtop and one of those media center things... while certain servers should always have proper admins etc I think a lot of the consumer use cases will eventually move to some kind of zero maintainence model (i mean im not sure, Microsoft hasnt gotten there yet and its been a while so maybe its just too hard)
[18:35] <bruce89> no-one knows what the envelope icon is, why don't we launch Evolution automatically on new mail?
[18:36] <bruce89> mnemo: the N800 has a notification icon
[18:36] <Twigathy> It's 10pm, it must be bedtime. I'll shut myself down. ;)
[18:36] <mnemo> sammy: whether they pay attention to the notification area or not, its a scientific question that can and should be tested with an experiment... it doesnt matter what we "think"... I hope canonical does a study on it for sure
[18:37] <bruce89> as long as I'm one of the testers
[18:37] <bruce89> they'd use a load of grannies for testers to get the result they want
[18:37] <bruce89> anyway, once GNOME catches wind, they'll make a fuss
[18:38] <DaemonFC> is Kpackagekit replacing adept? and if so, why is nothing showing me updates?
[18:38] <mnemo> bruce89: i think they should engineer for the _average_ computer user, not for us (irc junkies)... thats the way to increase linux desktop usage
[18:38] <DaemonFC> apt-get update still finds them obviously
[18:38]  * bruce89 doesn't care about "increasing linux desktop usage"
[18:38] <mnemo> (that said, I do think its insane to auto popup u-m for sure)
[18:38] <mnemo> bruce89: canonical does
[18:39] <bruce89> they're mistaken
[18:39] <bruce89> we already have an OS that people use for that purpose
[18:39] <Ubuntuuu2> Hello
[18:39] <mnemo> yeah honestly, since this discussion got so big they probably should re-think it
[18:39] <Ubuntuuu2> I have a problem
[18:39] <mnemo> Ubuntuuu2: just ask
[18:39] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[18:40] <bruce89> I'm sure they will, as long as people keep moaning
[18:40] <Ubuntuuu2> I cant boot up in ubuntu 9.04
[18:40] <mnemo> Ubuntuuu2: whats the error, or where during the boot sequence does it stop?
[18:40] <Ubuntuuu2> It gets past the loading screen then its just black with the cursor
[18:40] <bruce89> single user mode?
[18:40] <mnemo> Ubuntuuu2: what graphics card do you have?
[18:40] <Ubuntuuu2> I think I know the problem though
[18:40] <mnemo> ok?
[18:41] <Ubuntuuu2> I made it autoboot
[18:41] <Ubuntuuu2> then I restarted and thats when it started happening
[18:41] <mnemo> Ubuntuuu2: did it boot previously on this hardware config?
[18:41] <Ubuntuuu2> yes
[18:41] <Ubuntuuu2> But I think the autobooting messed it up
[18:41] <mnemo> Ubuntuuu2: what exactly do you mean by autobooting? where did you enable it?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> is it autologin?
[18:42] <Ubuntuuu2> well, sorry, i mean auto login
[18:42] <BUGabundo> or did you reduce the grub time to 0?
[18:42] <Ubuntuuu2> I enabled it at gdmsetup
[18:42] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:42] <BUGabundo> do you have all updates?
[18:42] <Ubuntuuu2> yeah
[18:42] <BUGabundo> 'cause that seems like the fixed bug
[18:42] <BUGabundo> of a race condicion
[18:43] <Ubuntuuu2> I'm on a live cd right now so couldn't i just edit the file from here?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> sure
[18:43] <BUGabundo> I just don't know where
[18:43] <Ubuntuuu2> Ok, how?
[18:44] <Ubuntuuu2> where what?
[18:44] <Ubuntuuu2> /usr/sbin/gdmsetup   thats where the file is
[18:44] <BUGabundo> where you change it
[18:44] <BUGabundo> nope
[18:44] <BUGabundo> that's the binary file
[18:44] <sammy> sorry, brought my father into the discussion. and I do think it matters what we think, I don't think we should try to bring the people who want to use ubuntu like they use their toaster (relatively maintenance free and without needing instruction) TO ubuntu, it's just not there yet,and I don't think an operating system can cater to both power users and lowest common denominator users at the same time. though, to that my dad suggested
[18:44] <sammy>  the original behavior for a set period of time, and then popping up the window when its clear the user just doesn't care to update or doesn't know the notification icon means it's time to update)
[18:45] <bruce89> indeed
[18:45] <sammy> rather than radically changing the existing behavior because of people who don't care to learn or explore what a new icon in their notification area is for.
[18:45] <Ubuntuuu2> well, I'm looking at the file right now, the properties and it says Lacation:  /media/disk/usr/sbin
[18:46] <bruce89> I think the on button confuses people, let's get rid of it
[18:46] <bruce89> Ubuntuuu2: that's the binary, not a configuration file
[18:46] <s0u][ight> what is the deadline about python releated issues?
[18:46] <Ubuntuuu2> well, wtf then, lol
[18:47] <Ubuntuuu2> so, none of you know how I can fix this?
[18:48] <bruce89> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[18:48] <BUGabundo> s0u][ight: its going to last a few days
[18:49] <BUGabundo> main alone will take 48h
[18:49] <Ubuntuuu2> permission denied
[18:49] <bruce89> or /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
[18:49] <BUGabundo> Universe and PPAs will take even longer
[18:49] <Ubuntuuu2> permission denied
[18:49] <BUGabundo> Ubuntuuu2: you need to use sudo
[18:49] <Ubuntuuu2> I did
[18:50] <BUGabundo> $ sudo gedit /
[18:50] <BUGabundo> $ sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[18:50] <bruce89> gksudo gedit blah
[18:50] <Ubuntuuu2> command not found
[18:50] <bruce89> and it's /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom, and not the livecd one, it's the one on the drive you wan
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> yeah
[18:51] <BUGabundo> let me guess kde'
[18:51] <BUGabundo> ?
[18:51]  * bruce89 ia/$something/etc/blah
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> um
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> no
[18:51] <bruce89> then?
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> gnome
[18:51] <BUGabundo> Ubuntuuu2: wubi install?
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> what?
[18:51] <Ubuntuuu2> Sorry, I'm kinda a noob
[18:51] <bruce89> what livecd is this?
[18:52] <BUGabundo> since you mention /media/
[18:52] <Ubuntuuu2> that may be the problem, its ubuntu 7.10
[18:52] <bruce89> no problem there
[18:53] <Ubuntuuu2> is there another way that I can get it not to auto login
[18:53] <BUGabundo> you are on the wrong channel
[18:53] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu
[18:53] <BUGabundo> this # is  for jaunty
[18:53] <Ubuntuuu2> they said I was in the wrong chanel and to come here
[18:53] <bruce89> unless this is a jaunty-specific issue
[18:54] <bruce89> Ubuntuuu2: they're wrong
[18:54] <Ubuntuuu2> My regular ubuntu is 9.04
[18:54] <bruce89> tell them we sent you
[18:54]  * BUGabundo is confused
[18:54] <Ubuntuuu2> the live cd i'm using to try to fix the problem is ubuntu 7.10
[18:54] <BUGabundo> wait! you messed your jaunty
[18:54] <BUGabundo> and are now using 7.10 livecd to fix?
[18:54] <Ubuntuuu2> but the actual problem is with ubuntu 9.04
[18:55] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[18:55] <Ubuntuuu2> yes
[18:55]  * BUGabundo is enlightment
[18:55] <bruce89> window manager?
[18:55] <Ubuntuuu2> Anyway, they kicked me out =(
[18:55] <Ubuntuuu2> gnome
[18:55] <Ubuntuuu2> I think
[18:55] <bruce89> I'll go for support if you want
[18:55] <Ubuntuuu2> Ok
[18:55] <bruce89> because that's out of line
[18:56] <bruce89> right, in #ubuntu now
[18:57] <bruce89> go in and ask, and I'll shout at them
[18:57] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[18:57] <BUGabundo> bruce89: better help him here
[18:57] <BUGabundo> to fix his gdm prob
[18:57] <Ubuntuuu2> what should I say?
[18:58] <bruce89> just ask straight away, don't mention 9.04 though
[18:58] <sammy-afk> mnemo, well I appreciate the civility in your argument, that's always rare to find on irc :) and I agree there should be an 'average' that we're shooting for, but not because its how you increase linux desktop usage. the motivation should be to create a fantastic project, the users will follow. developing with a motivation to create a product that appeals to a certain type of user in an attempt to increase your user base- I'm as
[18:58] <sammy-afk> much a FOSS proponent as anyone and have been for 10+ years, I don't want to bring more users the the community that don't want to RTFM and do the homework themselves. those aren't the people I want in my community; lazy folk.
[18:59] <bruce89> that's a bit harsh
[19:01] <sammy-afk> how so? I'm not closed off to the idea that I'm being unrealistic or that I don't share the opinion of the community. I just want people who want to participate in it, not use it and hope someone else does everything for them.
[19:02] <sammy-afk> those people should consider that their contribution should be payment to those who need it, paying for bandwidth or server space for the community, that sort of thing. using free software without being a part of the community is like using gmail with an adblocker. you're essentially stealing
[19:08] <BUGabundo> is PA or ALSA working for anyone?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> I know PA is just smoked, but ALSA too?
[19:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen_: ping ^^^^^^^^^^^
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Have you fixed it?
[19:13] <Ubuntuuu2> no
[19:14] <BUGabundo> Request for Confirmation: can anyone using gnome and a battery confirm/deny that the battery applet is broken, if you change the AC status
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Have you changed the AutomaticLoginEnable setting?
[19:15] <Ubuntuuu2> no
[19:15] <Ubuntuuu2> I cant
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Works properly here
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: You've mounted the 9.04 hard disk with read/write permissions from the 7.04 live-CD ?
[19:16] <Ubuntuuu2> All I did was booted up in the live cd
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Right. And you did that in order to make a change to the hard disk installation to fix it?
[19:17] <Ubuntuuu2> Yes
[19:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Let me tell you the final step first, just so you know where we're going...
[19:17] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[19:18] <olmari> Hello
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> ... the fix is sudo sed -i '/AutomaticLoginEnable=/ s/true/false/' ${TARGET}/etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:18] <olmari> I have problem with Jaunty netboot installation
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: But first you need to start a terminal (Applications > Terminal) so you can get the hard disk mounted
[19:18] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: so you don't see bug 335973 ?
[19:18] <olmari> it all comes down to python depency failure
[19:18] <Ubuntuuu2> ok, I dont know if it worked
[19:19] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo sed -i '/AutomaticLoginEnable=/ s/true/false/' ${TARGET}/etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:19] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[19:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: I said I was going to tell you the final step... it won't work now
[19:19] <Ubuntuuu2> what
[19:19] <olmari> depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Before you can get to that final step, you've got to mount the hard disk partition containing the 9.04 installation
[19:20] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[19:20] <Ubuntuuu2> lets do it
[19:20] <charlie-tca> olmari: That is currently in work
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Do you know which device/partition 9.04 is installed in? e.g. sda1 sda4 ?
[19:21] <olmari> so... charlie-tca: ok... hmm... is there any way to overcome it manually?
[19:21] <Ubuntuuu2> sda1
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: okay, issue these commands:  export TARGET=/target
[19:22] <charlie-tca> olmari: It will probably be a couple days for it to be fixed.
[19:22] <olmari> mm
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: sudo mkdir $TARGET
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: mount /dev/sda1 $TARGET
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: oops... no, let's try that last one again!
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: sudo mount /dev/sda1 $TARGET
[19:23] <olmari> charlie-tca: I could install intrepid first but wouldn't care to do that :)
[19:23] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[19:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: now, if you do "ls -l /target" you should see the 9.04 file-system ?
[19:23] <bruce89> replace $TARGET with /media/stuff
[19:23] <charlie-tca> olmari: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/124395/
[19:23] <Ubuntuuu2> yeah, something happened
[19:23] <IntuitiveNipple> bruce89: you're confusing the issue - does Ubuntuuu2 have sda1 already mounted?
[19:24] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124396/
[19:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: can you show me the result of: "mount | grep sda"
[19:25] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount | grep sda
[19:25] <Ubuntuuu2> /dev/sda1 on /media/disk type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[19:25] <Ubuntuuu2> /dev/sda1 on /target type ext3 (rw)
[19:25] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[19:25] <olmari> charlie-tca: hey thanks :)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: okay, two mounts now :) That was what bruce89 was referring to, I take it
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> o, so now what?
[19:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: okay now this: "grep AutomaticLogin /target/etc/gdm/gdm.conf"
[19:26] <bruce89> no actuallu
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ grep AutomaticLogin /target/etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> # in as user as set with AutomaticLogin key.
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> AutomaticLoginEnable=false
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> AutomaticLogin=
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[19:26] <bruce89> hmm
[19:26] <Ubuntuuu2> did it work?
[19:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: okay, you *don't* have Automatic Login enabled
[19:27] <Ubuntuuu2> Well, whatever.  I followed these derections in the first place,  http://www.watchingthenet.com/how-to-enable-automati-logon-in-ubuntu-or-kubuntu.html
[19:28]  * bruce89 doesn't trust howtos
[19:29] <BUGabundo> +1 bruce89
[19:29] <IntuitiveNipple> It's hardly rocket science, launching gdmsetup
[19:29] <Ubuntuuu2> so what now?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> they get quiet old quickly
[19:29] <BUGabundo> with 6 months cycles
[19:30] <bruce89> try the recovery mode though
[19:30] <Ubuntuuu2> thats it?
[19:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Well, you mentioned a 'black screen' originally. At the time I thought that implied the system hung way before the log-in stage. So I think you need to look into the /target/var/log/kern.log to see what was happening at the very end
[19:31] <Ubuntuuu2> how do i do that?
[19:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: You might want to explore the ends of quite a few of the log files in /target/var/log/ for clues
[19:32] <Ubuntuuu2> how?
[19:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Load them into System Log Viewer (System > Administration > System Log Viewer)
[19:33] <olmari> charlie-tca: hmm.. no go still
[19:33] <olmari> charlie-tca: tough mine situation is somewhat diffirent from already running jaunty :)
[19:33] <charlie-tca> That was all I know about it.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> You just installed it?
[19:34] <olmari> charlie-tca: mine netboot installation stops at error (which is ultimately this stuff)
[19:34] <olmari> at that point I can still install grub and have some minimal cli
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Still going to take time to sort it then, olmari
[19:34] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124402/
[19:34] <olmari> yeah...
[19:34] <olmari> well... too bad
[19:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: pastebin the last 200 lines from /target/var/log/kern.log please
[19:36] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124403/
[19:39] <olmari> I tried jaunty like week ago as intrepid update... video related stuff was so fast compared to intrepid... but too many intrepid leftovers so now I decided to try fresh jaunty... until got this =)
[19:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Eeek. "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sda." and others.
[19:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: show me what is in /target/etc/fstab
[19:41] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124406/
[19:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: and now: sudo blkid
[19:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: woooooooa!
[19:43] <Ubuntuuu2> what
[19:43] <IntuitiveNipple> You're showing me the kern.log from the live-CD, not the target system!
[19:43] <Ubuntuuu2> sorryyy
[19:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I need to see /target/var/log/kern.log
[19:44] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[19:44] <Ubuntuuu2> I dont know how to do that
[19:44] <olmari> charlie-tca: hmm, maye I can DL jaunty dvd image and install from there... at least I would get comp up and running :p
[19:46] <bruce89> tail -n 50 /target/var/log/kern.log
[19:46] <Ubuntuuu2> that it ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/124408/
[19:46] <bruce89> even better
[19:47] <charlie-tca> olmari: that or the cd. They should both be working
[19:48] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[19:48] <olmari> well mine ftp didn't show CD release, only dvd, but anyways :)
[19:49] <Ubuntuuu2> so, did that help?
[19:50] <IntuitiveNipple> No, that's kernel 2.6.20-15-generic too.
[19:50] <olmari> hmm... tough at least alternative install would just fit CD anyways
[19:50] <Ubuntuuu2> ughh
[19:50] <bruce89> I don't see anything wrong
[19:50] <bruce89> oh
[19:50] <Ubuntuuu2> What
[19:51] <Ubuntuuu2> =-O
[19:51] <IntuitiveNipple> bruce89:  [    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.20-15-generic
[19:51] <bruce89> got it
[19:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: How are you viewing/copying from the log file? Are you using System Log Viewer?
[19:51] <Ubuntuuu2> I'm confised
[19:51] <Ubuntuuu2> system log viewer
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, and you're selecting from the "kern.log" it lists in the left side-bar?
[19:52] <Ubuntuuu2> yes
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, that's the problem :)  that is the running active system /var/log/kern.log
[19:52] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[19:52] <Ubuntuuu2> whatevr that means
[19:53] <IntuitiveNipple> What you need to do is use File > Open and navigate to /target/var/log/ and open the "kern.log" in that directory
[19:53] <IntuitiveNipple> We need to see the log-file that was created by the 9.04 installation, which you currently have mounted under /target/
[19:55] <Tecumseh> is there a problem with the current openoffice build? I see that a couple of updates are kept back
[19:56] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124416/
[19:57] <Ubuntuuu2> I hope thats it
[19:57] <IntuitiveNipple> That's the one; thanks
[19:58] <Ubuntuuu2> I could also give you the one from yesterday if you want
[19:58] <IntuitiveNipple> [  166.521473] [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[19:58] <IntuitiveNipple> [  166.523759] mtrr: no MTRR for c0000000,10000000 found
[19:58] <IntuitiveNipple> That's a video driver problem
[19:59] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[20:01] <Ubuntuuu2> so how do I fix it?
[20:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm not sure even what the issue is yet
[20:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I noticed agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xc0000000
[20:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Does that PC have 256MB of video memory?
[20:04] <Ubuntuuu2> i duno
[20:04] <Ubuntuuu2> probobley
[20:05] <olmari> IntuitiveNipple and Ubuntuuu2: AFAIK AGP aperture is amount of memory that AGP can use from RAM if neccesary
[20:05] <Ubuntuuu2> ok
[20:06] <IntuitiveNipple> olmari: yeah; but that links to the "no MTRR" message
[20:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't think those two are show-stoppers since earlier in the log several boots got past that point. However, I have found mention on LKML that the vblank issue can cause random lock-ups of X
[20:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: Are you leaving an iPod connected whilst booting?
[20:08] <Ubuntuuu2> ya
[20:09] <IntuitiveNipple> This isn't a nice thing either (that PC looks to have several issues) ACPI: EC: GPE storm detected, transactions will use polling mode
[20:10] <Ubuntuuu2> Hm
[20:10] <Ubuntuuu2> My computer has been making some funny noises lately
[20:12] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't see anything obvious there that explains the issue. I can think of general things I would try, such as when booting not having any non-essential devices connected (such as the iPod) just-in-case some weird conflict is being provoked.
[20:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you pastebin the target's /target/var/log/syslog
[20:14] <Ubuntuuu2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124427/
[20:14] <olmari> charlie-tca: burning.... takes so long with cdrw =)
[20:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: yikes. that looks like something is really messed up
[20:18] <Ubuntuuu2> Maybe its time to get a new computer
[20:18] <IntuitiveNipple> All the terminals are being killed by a TERM signal
[20:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: think careful, besides the AutomaticLoginEnable thing you tried, what else had you done leading up to the reboot when this started happening? Did you install any other software, uninstall anything, change any settings or run any administration scripts that required you to enter your password?
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> i did do a partial upgrade
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> whatever that means
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> and
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> I installed ubuntu tweak
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> and compiz manager
[20:20] <Ubuntuuu2> and vlc
[20:20] <IntuitiveNipple> "ubuntu tweak"?
[20:21] <Ubuntuuu2> yeah
[20:21] <Ubuntuuu2> I didnt change any settings with it though
[20:22] <Ubuntuuu2> I installed galleon web browser
[20:23] <BUGabundo1> Ubuntuuu2: I know its too late, but NEVER EVER do partia installs
[20:23] <BUGabundo1> I guess you now know that...
[20:23] <Ubuntuuu2> why
[20:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntuuu2: wht does this show? "sudo ls -l /target/root/.synaptic/log/"
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> total 28
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  523 2009-02-26 02:14 2009-02-25.181146.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1111 2009-02-26 02:35 2009-02-25.181545.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  110 2009-02-26 02:54 2009-02-25.185333.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  162 2009-02-26 06:47 2009-02-25.224615.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  160 2009-02-27 01:44 2009-02-26.174415.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  285 2009-02-27 01:58 2009-02-26.175315.log
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  121 2009-02-28 08:02 2009-02-28.000115.log
[20:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Because partial upgrades make BUGabundo fall off the Internet :S
[20:24] <Ubuntuuu2> o
[20:25] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, show me the result of: "sudo cat /target/root/.synaptic/log/2009-02-28.000115.log"
[20:25] <Ubuntuuu2> Commit Log for Sat Feb 28 00:01:15 2009
[20:25] <Ubuntuuu2> Installed the following packages:
[20:25] <Ubuntuuu2> galeon (2.0.6-2.1)
[20:25] <Ubuntuuu2> galeon-common (2.0.6-2.1)
[20:25] <BUGabundo1>  !paste Ubuntuuu2
[20:26] <BUGabundo1> IntuitiveNipple: don't even know why UM offers it!
[20:26] <BUGabundo1> it just breaks any system
[20:26] <BUGabundo1> by removing packages that never get back installed
[20:26] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo1: I don't see anything in the 28th's log to explain this.
[20:27] <Ubuntuuu2> I didn't install anything on the 28th
[20:27] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm suspicious of that "Ubuntu tweaks" especially having just read the web site where it starts off: "First I’m sorry for the mistake, the previous version(0.4.5) has many bugs, especially the Clean Old Config can’t work."
[20:28] <Ubuntuuu2> So, what do I do now?
[20:28] <Ubuntuuu2> +(
[20:28] <Ubuntuuu2> }:-(
[20:31] <Ubuntuuu2> ahh, I got to go now
[20:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Do you have any valuable data in that 9.04 installation? If so, I'd save it to somewhere safe and reinstall cleanly and not install anything that doesn't come from the Ubuntu archives.
[20:32] <Geforce88> any word on if and when the bug in 9.04 + video in xserver will be resolved so dual monitors can be enabled ?
[20:32] <Ubuntuuu2> I have everything backed up
[20:32] <IntuitiveNipple> what bug?
[20:32] <Ubuntuuu2> thanks guys
[20:32] <Ubuntuuu2> bye
[20:32] <Geforce88> there was a bug on the bug reports stating that the nvidia-settings wasn't able to enable twinview
[20:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Oh... news to my PC then :p
[20:33] <Geforce88> something to do with xserver (?)
[20:33] <BUGabundo1> Geforce88: when did it came up?
[20:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, I'm running multiple X screens so it might be different
[20:33] <Geforce88> ok, would you mind telling me how you did it? all i get are segfault errors
[20:33] <BUGabundo1> 2 weeks ago my system was working fine
[20:33] <Geforce88> i know this isn't a support channel, so if you don't want too thats fine
[20:34] <IntuitiveNipple> someone's added me to the Audio team - I'm suddenly getting inundated with audio bug reports
[20:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Geforce88: I just used nvidia-settings to configure the screens
[20:34] <Geforce88> and clicked apply? and rebooted X and it workeD?
[20:35] <BUGabundo1> Geforce88: this IS a support and (some what discussion) channel for ubuntu +1
[20:36] <BUGabundo1> currently Jaunty
[20:36] <Geforce88> yea, and i like it. to me it appears to be somewhat faster launching programs
[20:36] <BUGabundo1> Geforce88: no need to reboot
[20:36] <BUGabundo1> just end session
[20:37] <Geforce88> does it matter i'm usuing kde ??
[20:37] <BUGabundo1> dunno
[20:37] <bruce89> no
[20:37] <billisnice> my screen saver does not work, i have to turn the computer off holding in the power button...in case someone was to post a bug
[20:38] <bruce89> I find a screensaver causes X to hang too
[20:38] <Geforce88> i keep gfetting this error: Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select @1600x1200 +0+0, CRT-1: nvidia-auto-select @1024x768 +1600+0' (Mode 2624x1200, id: 69) on X screen 0.
[20:39] <Geforce88> if i use sudo, i get a segfault, and nvidia-settings crashes
[20:40] <IntuitiveNipple> I suspect that might be because the video device can't handle textures larger than 2560 pixels wide and the combined textures there require 2624. I may be wrong, but its where I'd look first.
[20:40] <Geforce88> billisnice: hibernate does that to me. i have to cold reboot the machine to get a display again
[20:40]  * BUGabundo1 blames all this weekends breakaged to PYTHON!
[20:40] <bruce89> breakage?
[20:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I posted a patch for a bug related to detecting those recently; let me see if I can jog my memory from it
[20:42] <billisnice> I can not even change the screensaver
[20:42] <billisnice> i have to force quit
[20:42] <IntuitiveNipple> What does this report: glxinfo -l | grep GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 8192
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> oh well... he gorn!
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> I didn't crash! but he did
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> LOLOL
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> mine reports:
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> glxinfo -l | grep GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple>     GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 4096
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple>     GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 4096
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> bruce89: sure! I have lots of updates on queue waiting for python
[20:43] <BUGabundo1> and many more were "accidently" removed! I didn't even noticed!
[20:43] <bruce89> ah, that's not much of an issue
[20:43] <bruce89> but that is
[20:44] <BUGabundo1> gwibber and a few others
[20:44] <incubii> Does Jauntys iwl3945 driver support master mode?
[20:44] <BUGabundo1> luckly synaptic shows leftovers
[20:44] <BUGabundo1> and I keep my clean, so I know what packages I'm missing
[20:44]  * bruce89 thanks aptitude's intelligence
[20:44] <BUGabundo1> bruce89: it wasn't synaptic...it was UM who removed them
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> I don't remember seeing a "this packages are going to be removed"
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> but it did "somehow"
[20:45] <bruce89> hah, yet another argument against the changes
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> hope its no bug
[20:45] <BUGabundo1> LOLOLOLOLOL
[20:45] <bruce89> no wonder I don't trust u-m
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> $ update-manager -d
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> /usr/bin/lsb_release:81: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated import sets
[20:46] <BUGabundo1> lovelly
[20:46]  * bruce89 looks forward to aptitude-gtk
[20:46] <bruce89> BUGabundo1: that's one reason I don't like Python
[20:47] <BUGabundo1> 183MiBs of updates pending! how nice
[20:47]  * BUGabundo1 bets its OOo that is just FAT
[20:47] <bruce89> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:48]  * bruce89 doesn't bother with OO.o
[20:48] <incubii> !iwl3945
[20:48] <incubii> boo
[20:49]  * BUGabundo1 wonders why the 3G dongle always drops to 2G once I need more bandwidth! is it a bug?
[20:50] <incubii> signal not strong enough?
[20:50] <BUGabundo1> bruce89: at 5KiB/s? yeah right!
[20:50] <bruce89> good point
[20:50] <BUGabundo1> guys don't wonder if I get a timeout!
[20:50] <bruce89> not such a good idea using Jaunty
[20:51] <BUGabundo1> pidgin tend not to like 2G
[20:51] <BUGabundo1> I wonder if I should file all this UM nonsense
[20:52] <bruce89> I did, it was rejected quickly
[20:52] <bruce89> told me to take it up on the mailing list, so I did
[20:52] <BUGabundo1> let me get up to 3G and I'll file it
[20:52] <IntuitiveNipple> incubii: As far as I can tell, no it doesn't
[20:52] <incubii> IntuitiveNipple, ty
[20:52]  * BUGabundo1 slaps the dongle to see if it improves
[20:52] <BUGabundo1> UAU it did... for about 2 secs
[20:52] <IntuitiveNipple> incubii: I can't get it to do Ad-Hoc, Secondary or Master but it will do Managed, Repeater and Monitor
[20:53] <BUGabundo1> back to 2G
[20:53] <incubii> IntuitiveNipple, yeah thats what i'm getting in Ibex as well. oh well, guess ill go look for an Atheros based express card
[20:53] <BUGabundo1> bruce89: what are you talking about?
[20:54] <bruce89> nothing
[20:54] <BUGabundo1> my 4965 plus aircrack does wonders!
[20:54] <olmari> charlie-tca: hih, that method worked =)
[20:54] <charlie-tca> great! :-)
[20:54] <BUGabundo1> but I have a LAME internal antena
[20:54] <BUGabundo1> lousy singnal
[20:54] <BUGabundo1> *signal
[20:55] <incubii> BUGabundo1, i want a Ubiquity but i dont want to carry the external antenna around, lol
[20:55] <BUGabundo1> aahhhhhhhhhhh?
[20:56] <incubii> BUGabundo1, powerful wireless card, great for cracking
[20:56] <incubii> BUGabundo1, er, i mean auditing :D
[20:56] <BUGabundo1> humm Can-Antenas are great too
[20:56] <BUGabundo1> we are going to make a few, in a few weeks
[20:56] <BUGabundo1> at HackLaViva
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> we have python class, asterix, and a few other topics schedule
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> for next month
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> bbl
[20:57] <BUGabundo1> grampa time
[20:58] <IntuitiveNipple> incubii: According to the iwl* dev's, master mode is enabled in iwl4965 but not iwl3945 since it sits on PCIe-WX bus and isn't found in any embedded device
[20:58] <incubii> that sounds like awesome fun BUGabundo1
[20:58] <incubii> IntuitiveNipple, well guess that leaves me SOL
[21:03] <Codd> I'm trying to install some themes from http://www.gnome-look.org -- I download the tar.gz file and drag it onto the Apperance Prefrences window but it tells me the file is not the correct format, I can open the archive and I find some pictures and an xml file, what do I have to do to install it?  Am I doing it wrong?
[21:04] <le_biloute> Hey guys, I can't figure out why it happens but jaunty wants to update "partially", that means it wants to remove some packages
[21:04] <le_biloute> install some packages I don't want (libgnome ie), and update some...
[21:13] <charlie-tca> !themes | Codd
[21:13] <charlie-tca> !changethemes
[21:17] <Codd> charlie-tca: I went to gnome-look.org and downloaded the tar.gz file but when I install it I get "does not appear to be a valid theme"
[21:17] <Codd> thats by draging it onto the appearance prefrences window
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is not valid
[21:18] <Codd> :) true, but I've tried about 10 of them could it be they are all not valid?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Try putting the complete tar.gz file in the theme manager?
[21:19] <Codd> yup I just dragged the archive onto the window
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe you have to untar it, I don't know. I don't use any themes
[21:20] <Codd> cool, maybe I just had some bad luck
[21:21] <CosmiChaos> cheers
[21:21] <CosmiChaos> the white-window bug annoys me hopefully it will get fixed soon, what do you  think?
[21:22] <incubii> i noticed GDM has changed themes, is this going to spread through the rest of Gnome?
[21:24] <bruce89> GNOME?
[21:24] <bruce89> if you mwan
[21:24] <bruce89> the other artwork will be changed likely
[21:25] <incubii> i hope so, GDM and Gnome themes dont match at the moment
[21:27] <CosmiChaos> i tried the new sreadahead package that provides advanced boot cashing, in the final version it supports ext4, checked it , works, still no data losses on ext4
[21:27] <CosmiChaos> boot incl nvidia, cups, sane, vbox within 20seconds
[21:28] <incubii> 20 seconds? i was happy with 45, lol
[21:28] <CosmiChaos> :)
[21:29] <CosmiChaos> have you got 64bit, dualcore, at least 1gig of ram then tweak it :)
[21:30] <BUGabundo> and I'm back
[21:30] <BUGabundo> did I miss the loto numbers or anything?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> 20 secs?
[21:30] <CosmiChaos> im very thankful watching to the near future
[21:31] <bruce89> you want #loto
[21:31] <BUGabundo>  mine are at 60 until GDM and 85 sec until I can use my system
[21:31] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[21:31] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: yes 20 secs, i have a old bootchart without sreadahead but with readahead got it within 21 secs
[21:31] <BUGabundo> need to upload the lastest
[21:31] <BUGabundo> ssd?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> 'cause I don't believe that numbers on sata
[21:32] <CosmiChaos> no, ok its on 2 disks each raptor 10000rps read peak of 70mb/s shows bootchart
[21:32] <CosmiChaos> believe it wait i got it uploaded
[21:33] <Laibsch> Hey, I wonder where did the Debian menu go in Jaunty?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> my single 5400RPMs gets up to 85MiB/s  on sequencial read
[21:33] <CosmiChaos> tthat is burst ;)
[21:33] <BUGabundo> sure
[21:34] <BUGabundo> sustained I get about 25Mib/s
[21:34] <bruce89> Laibsch: menu package
[21:34] <CosmiChaos> your 5400rps never constantly puts 85MiB trough
[21:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Mine takes about 3.8 seconds ...
[21:34] <Laibsch> bruce89: That's installed
[21:34] <IntuitiveNipple> ... on resume :p
[21:34] <Laibsch> bruce89: that and menu-xdg
[21:34] <BUGabundo> $ sudo hdparm -tTf /dev/sda
[21:34] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   2376 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1188.47 MB/sec
[21:34] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  196 MB in  3.01 seconds =  65.16 MB/sec
[21:34] <CosmiChaos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DESKTOP-JAUNTY-9.04-ALPHA5-C2D-2%2C67GHZ-EXT4-PRELOAD-PRELINK-CONCURRENTSHELL.png
[21:35] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: mine takes a bit more
[21:35] <BUGabundo> 5-8 secs
[21:35] <BUGabundo> guys post yours
[21:35] <BUGabundo> $ sudo hdparm -tTf /dev/sda
[21:35] <IntuitiveNipple>  Timing cached reads:   4874 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2441.37 MB/sec
[21:35] <IntuitiveNipple>  Timing buffered disk reads:  114 MB in  3.02 seconds =  37.80 MB/sec
[21:36] <BUGabundo> this is a 320GB (not GiBs) 8MiBs buffer 5400RPM laptop WD
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[21:36] <BUGabundo> mine gets faster buffer?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> the double?
[21:36] <CosmiChaos>  Timing buffered disk reads:  158 MB in  3.01 seconds =  52.48 MB/sec
[21:37] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: and cached?
[21:37] <CosmiChaos> 4500
[21:37] <IntuitiveNipple> This is FUJITSU MHZ2400BT (400GB SATA laptop)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> that's FASTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTtttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
[21:37] <CosmiChaos> but your 5400rpm is faster than my 10000rpm strange
[21:37] <bruce89> 876
[21:38] <CosmiChaos>  Timing cached reads:   8992 MB in  2.00 seconds = 4500.22 MB/sec
[21:38] <CosmiChaos>  Timing buffered disk reads:  158 MB in  3.01 seconds =  52.48 MB/sec
[21:38] <incubii>  Timing cached reads:   1550 MB in  2.00 seconds = 775.30 MB/sec
[21:38] <incubii>  Timing buffered disk reads:   76 MB in  3.01 seconds =  25.25 MB/sec
[21:38] <incubii> lol go my laptop
[21:39] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: can you get me a bootchart with nostop?
[21:39] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: wait i get the one for my other raptor :) for my /home :D
[21:39] <CosmiChaos> i posted it watch above
[21:39] <BUGabundo> incubii: that's a slow disk
[21:39] <BUGabundo> are you using it?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: that is without nostop
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I want to see INSIDE your session
[21:39] <incubii> BUGabundo, is my laptops disk
[21:40] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: what does that mean nostop?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> so is mine
[21:40] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: if you add it to grub
[21:40] <BUGabundo> bootchart will still continue to count
[21:40] <BUGabundo> not stoping at GDM
[21:40] <CosmiChaos> i use autologin
[21:40] <BUGabundo> this is a new addition to jaunty
[21:41] <BUGabundo> before that I hacked mine to add a sleep 30
[21:41] <CosmiChaos> so when i put nostop in my kernel option than bootchart will show deeper?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: even with autologin you get at GDM at somepoint
[21:41] <BUGabundo> you just don't stop
[21:41] <BUGabundo> let me get my grub
[21:41] <CosmiChaos> ?
[21:41] <CosmiChaos> what to do?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-8-generic root=UUID=a8aa4adb-b3e6-4e1d-b4ad-e6cd704788b2 ro bootchart=nostop
[21:42] <CosmiChaos> does i need that permanently or just once
[21:42] <BUGabundo> during boot, when you hit grub, edit your kernel line and add:
[21:42] <BUGabundo>  bootchart=nostop
[21:42] <BUGabundo> that will be just once
[21:42] <CosmiChaos> when bootchart is disabled i should care right?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> if you want permanent
[21:42] <BUGabundo> just edit grub
[21:42] <BUGabundo> # defoptions=bootchart=nostop
[21:42] <BUGabundo> change to add that ^^^^^
[21:43] <BUGabundo> didn't get that
[21:43] <BUGabundo> what is disabled?
[21:43] <CosmiChaos> ok if you hold on some minutes i will get you the new one with sreadahead
[21:43] <BUGabundo> oh cheat! I got a new nvidia driver
[21:43] <CosmiChaos> btw my other raptor:
[21:43] <BUGabundo> is anyone using it already?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> is it any good?
[21:44] <CosmiChaos> yes subjectively faster boot
[21:44] <CosmiChaos> /dev/sdb:
[21:44] <CosmiChaos>  Timing cached reads:   10526 MB in  2.00 seconds = 5267.99 MB/sec
[21:44] <CosmiChaos>  Timing buffered disk reads:  188 MB in  3.01 seconds =  62.43 MB/sec
[21:44] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 180.29-0ubuntu2  Candidate: 180.35-0ubuntu1
[21:44] <BUGabundo> 60MiB/s in susteined
[21:44] <BUGabundo> UAU
[21:45] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: sometimes using nostop bootchart won't wotk
[21:45] <BUGabundo> if you test it, please let me know if it does or not
[21:47] <BUGabundo> its bug 336028
[21:49] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: where is the nostop option documented? I don't see it picked up in the initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/bootchart script
[21:49] <BUGabundo> got it on apt-changes
[21:49] <BUGabundo> from cjwatson
[21:49] <BUGabundo> when he upgraded the package
[21:49] <BUGabundo> let me pastebin it
[21:50] <BUGabundo> /usr/share/doc/bootchart/changelog.gz
[21:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't see it here in the changelog... what version?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124462/
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> zcat /usr/share/doc/bootchart/changelog.Debian.gz | head -n 1
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> bootchart (0.9-0ubuntu14) jaunty; urgency=low
[21:51] <bruce89> aptitude changelog bootchart
[21:51] <BUGabundo> wrong link
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh.... not updated
[21:51] <BUGabundo> it was the one from debian
[21:52] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.9-0ubuntu14
[21:53] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: so you think it lost the hook?
[21:54] <IntuitiveNipple> got it. In /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart
[21:54] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:55] <BUGabundo> before that version I just added a sleep 30 there
[21:55] <BUGabundo> or was it 90?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> don't know, bad memory
[21:55] <BUGabundo> so it would still chart my inicial session
[21:56] <BUGabundo> but now, most of the times, with nostop the bootchart is only done when I shutdown
[21:56] <BUGabundo> but if I hibernate or suspend, I think it gets broken and I get no chart
[21:56] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:57] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: it doesnt created any bootchart when that kernel option was added, sry :(
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> you have to stop it to get the chart, using "/etc/init.d/stop-bootchart start"
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> obviously, prefix with "sudo"
[21:57] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:57] <BUGabundo> doesnt work
[21:58]  * BUGabundo we need to stop crossposting
[21:58] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: strip it out
[21:58] <CosmiChaos> ?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I'll see if I can get a sleep in there until the bug is fixed
[21:59] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: the cross post was to IntuitiveNipple
[21:59] <CosmiChaos> ???????????????
[22:00] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: can you edit
[22:00] <BUGabundo> /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and add
[22:00] <BUGabundo> 	sleep 90
[22:00] <BUGabundo> on line 43
[22:00] <BUGabundo> save and reboot?
[22:00] <CosmiChaos> at the end of the file?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> also you won't need the nostop (for now)
[22:01] <BUGabundo> on line 43
[22:01] <BUGabundo> before the kill
[22:01] <CosmiChaos> will sudo echo sleep 90 >> /etc/ini.d/stop-bootchart do it?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:01] <BUGabundo> it would tail it....
[22:01] <BUGabundo> and you need it on line 43
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> This patch should do it
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124470/
[22:02] <BUGabundo> not line 100 or something
[22:02] <CosmiChaos> so before or after line 43
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Then use sudo /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart stop
[22:02] <BUGabundo> how is that line ?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> patch -p1 or something
[22:02] <BUGabundo> I never know
[22:03] <IntuitiveNipple> depends on which directory you're in
[22:03] <IntuitiveNipple> if you're in /etc/init.d
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I'll do it by hand
[22:03] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:03] <CosmiChaos> wth what to do now?
[22:03] <IntuitiveNipple> then sudo patch -p2 <patch
[22:03] <BUGabundo> just a sec CosmiChaos
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I'll paste a FULL file
[22:03] <BUGabundo> so you can just replace yours
[22:05] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: the sreadahead seems to slow down boot because now it shows 32 secs, but subjective it has become 10% faster , hmmmm
[22:05] <CosmiChaos> maybe i had a bug before so it stop looging at a very early point
[22:07] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: IntuitiveNipple http://paste.ubuntu.com/124475/
[22:07] <BUGabundo> if I didn't any mess that should be it
[22:07] <BUGabundo> jus replace yours, (after a backup)
[22:08] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: so now we can use nostop again?
[22:08] <CosmiChaos> what to replace?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> did you had the patch to the bug?
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> That's the theory
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[22:08] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: sudo gedit /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Not as a file though, test it first to be sure there are no side affects
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I can't reboot now
[22:09] <BUGabundo> in the middle of upgrade
[22:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Surely you test in virtual machines
[22:09] <BUGabundo> why hasn't epiphany-webkit been built for weeks?
[22:09]  * BUGabundo looks at LP
[22:10] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: big NO
[22:10] <BUGabundo> main laptop ONLY
[22:10] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: i replaced the full file with the content of the pastebin by IntuitiveNipple
[22:10]  * BUGabundo is kamikaze
[22:10] <IntuitiveNipple> do what what?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: his or mine?
[22:10] <IntuitiveNipple> you replaced the file with the patch!?!?!
[22:10] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple one was just a patch
[22:11] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: IntuitiveNipple http://paste.ubuntu.com/124475/text/
[22:11] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/124475/plain/
[22:11] <incubii> lol
[22:12] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: just to be sure, please pastebin your bootchart stop file
[22:13] <CosmiChaos> i marked the content of the pastebin ad did it correctly
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ahh bug 334242
[22:13] <CosmiChaos> if not its not your fault
[22:13] <BUGabundo> no need to mess your boot
[22:13] <CosmiChaos> so  dont have to kernelopt bootchart=nostop now?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> how can that be marked as wishbug?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> stupid triagers!
[22:14] <BUGabundo> yes you do
[22:14] <CosmiChaos> ok ill be cack :)
[22:14] <CosmiChaos> back
[22:14] <BUGabundo> upstream dropped the webkit variant in the current tarballs and will not roll webkit tarballs until next cycle
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ok, stupid uptream
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I now have no need for epifany
[22:16] <bruce89> it's a branching issue
[22:17] <bruce89> the stable branches have had no work on the WebKit port, that's all happened in trunk
[22:17] <BUGabundo> python-webkitgtk:  Depends: python (<2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[22:17] <BUGabundo> bah python stuff
[22:17] <teethdood> BUGabundo: deluge is having the same issue with python too
[22:18] <BUGabundo> teethdood: I have25 packages like that
[22:18] <BUGabundo> gwibber been the most important for me
[22:18] <bruce89> the magic of python
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ubufox, subdownloader, fusion icon
[22:18] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: bootchart=nostop still does not generated a bootchart
[22:19] <BUGabundo> exaile, ccsm
[22:19] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: complain to intuitive
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but he is not here right now
[22:19] <CosmiChaos> ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> its his patch
[22:20] <CosmiChaos> :(
[22:21] <BUGabundo> but comment on the bug, so he know
[22:21] <CosmiChaos> btw do any possibilities exist to tweak ext4 i havent found such
[22:21] <BUGabundo> bug 336028
[22:21] <olmari> BUGabundo: this is known issue
[22:21] <BUGabundo> olmari: ahh?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> the bootchart or python or webkit?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:22] <olmari> BUGabundo: just had this issue myself an hour os two ago
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I have mention many of them...
[22:22] <olmari> BUGabundo: for starters read: http://paste.ubuntu.com/124395/
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I read it
[22:22] <BUGabundo> and im using the PPA
[22:22] <BUGabundo> not much luck I would say
[22:22] <olmari> BUGabundo: mm
[22:23] <olmari> BUGabundo: well... I think this is an issue we just have to wait for
[22:23] <BUGabundo> olmari: let me know a package to test apt-cache policy
[22:23] <BUGabundo> I know!
[22:23] <BUGabundo> but UM messed my system, by removing them
[22:23] <olmari> BUGabundo: well just wanted to mention :)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> I didnt noticed it
[22:23] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:24] <BUGabundo> I knew it... already mentioned it to a few users here
[22:24] <olmari> BUGabundo: sorry I can't help you with that apt-cache
[22:24] <vbgunz> man. frustration is an understatement when it comes to suspending the system... I tried removing my wireless ralink 2500, removed all usb connections, played with a bunch of settings in bios... the drive always comes up dead. I can never make a report either because I cannot write the crash to disk... this is insane :(
[22:25] <BUGabundo> you can report it
[22:25] <BUGabundo> but it will not have all the required logs to help out
[22:25] <vbgunz> I tried the test-suspend script and it suspends fine the first time... once it comes up, game over
[22:25] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I already done that. its a bit pointless as I can not do anything more about it
[22:25] <olmari> BUGabundo: well they told me here earlier that this python stuff is known and under immediate work but time is long who is waiting :-p
[22:26] <vbgunz> why in the world does my drive come up as useless? its a sata drive. nothing special about it at all...
[22:27] <BUGabundo> olmari: again, I know, I've been on it for 3 days
[22:27] <linkinx64> I have no vertical scrolling on my laptop :(
[22:27] <olmari> vbgunz: maybe it is your sata controller that is the issue
[22:27] <BUGabundo> already knew about the changes way before that email
[22:27] <vbgunz> I dont have a raid setup. just 1 sata drive.
[22:27] <bruce89> interesting e-mail from the "FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITEE" - "Please let Confidentiality be the bedrest of this transaction for  our own success. Hope to hear from you. "
[22:27] <vbgunz> olmari: thats a bios issue?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: please refer to release note
[22:27] <BUGabundo> *notes
[22:27] <linkinx64> let me check
[22:27] <BUGabundo> and install the missing package
[22:27] <linkinx64> thanks
[22:28] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: see /topic
[22:28] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[22:28] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[22:28] <olmari> vbgunz: well it can be eihter mobo bios issue especialy if embedded sata, and/or sata bios issue
[22:29] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, sorry i dont see anything regarding scrolling on touchpad
[22:30] <BUGabundo> the x input
[22:30] <usser> linkinx64, but you do have scrolling :)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> wait wait
[22:30] <usser> linkinx64, use two fingers
[22:30] <linkinx64> lol
[22:30] <BUGabundo> let me guess
[22:30] <BUGabundo> your touchpad HAS multitouch
[22:30] <linkinx64> no no
[22:30] <BUGabundo> have you tried 2 fingers?
[22:30] <linkinx64> mine does not have multitouch
[22:31] <linkinx64> it's a dell inspiron 1525
[22:31] <olmari> vbgunz: one sata issue I once solved was manually editing an mobo bios file with injecting it with newer sata bios
[22:31] <usser> linkinx64, it does, they all use synaptics touchpad which has multiple gesture features
[22:31] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[22:31] <BUGabundo> The X.Org synaptics driver is absent from the liveCD, which may prevent touchpad devices from working on laptops. As a workaround, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to console, log in, run sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all to download the drivers from the network, and then return to your session with Alt+F7.
[22:31] <linkinx64> hooo
[22:31] <vbgunz> olmari: heh, I will blow out the board for sure...
[22:32] <linkinx64> usser, so anybody can use multitouch now?
[22:32] <linkinx64> without the hardware?
[22:32] <olmari> vbgunz: well it was easy ultimately
[22:32] <BUGabundo> HEYYYYYYY MINE ALSO DOES MULTITOUCH
[22:32] <olmari> vbgunz: tough it was DOS tool :D
[22:32] <usser> linkinx64, its not really multitouch, just some fancy workaround synaptics does with their hardware
[22:32] <BUGabundo> I DID not know that!
[22:32] <BUGabundo> but I have to open my fingers a bit
[22:32] <linkinx64> nice
[22:32] <linkinx64> let me install that package
[22:32] <usser> linkinx64, its been there for quite a while, just wasnt supported by ubuntu
[22:32] <linkinx64> usser, thanks for that
[22:32] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, :D
[22:32] <BUGabundo> stupid me
[22:33] <BUGabundo> since I have scroll I never tested
[22:33] <usser> hehe
[22:33] <BUGabundo> and laught at eeepc users that didn't know how to scroll there laptops
[22:33] <linkinx64> well i already have that package
[22:33] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, :(
[22:33] <BUGabundo> now I have it too
[22:33]  * BUGabundo gives generic advise: linkinx64 file bug
[22:33] <vbgunz> I just don't get what the issue is. I haven't tried to suspend in years *but* you would think with everything rocking here, no problems and just stable, suspend would work. well. it seems to work 100% except I always get back to a dead IO error drive. I am exhausted for real :(
[22:33] <BUGabundo> agains xorg
[22:34] <vbgunz> well 99% heh
[22:34] <BUGabundo> usser: my touchpad is to small to be used by multitouch
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: can you test something for me?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: you can always just remove the drive and test
[22:35] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, :*(
[22:35] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: welcome back
[22:35] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos reported it FAILED
[22:35] <linkinx64> what about awn in jaunty?
[22:35] <linkinx64> i can get it to work
[22:35] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: how do I do that? Kubuntu is on the drive
[22:35] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: shoot
[22:35] <usser> BUGabundo, mine is too actually, i dont like it, liked the old side scroller better
[22:35] <vbgunz> without the drive installed, I would boot into windows which is on an IDE
[22:36] <BUGabundo> usser: since I have BOTH it is no big deal
[22:36] <BUGabundo> one more trick to show on my ubuntu classes
[22:36] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: create a file as root echo "ping" >test; chmod 444 test; echo "pong" >>test
[22:36] <usser> BUGabundo, three finger tap does a right click
[22:36] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: surely if the file is read-only for owner, root shouldn't be able to append to the file ?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> /tmp/test
[22:37] <BUGabundo> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 10 2009-02-28 22:36 /tmp/test
[22:37] <usser> BUGabundo, there supposed to be a couple more like circular motion with one finger rotates pictures etc but it doesnt work for me
[22:37] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, so your nick it's like vagabundo? are u spanish speaker?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: linux 101 root can ALWAYS right, even if 000
[22:38] <usser> where can i read about bug fixes, ie changes that each update does
[22:38] <AndrewGee> Hi all. Is there any news on when I'll be able to upgrade to jaunty, after the python changes have been made?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> usser: it work only on firefox 3.1 trunk and above
[22:38] <Laibsch> Do you guys have a Debian submenu in Jaunty Gnome?
[22:38] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I know, but it is damned annoying since I've got a user who has a process that runs as root and is over-writing a file he needs to configure in a certain way, and he has no way to prevent it!
[22:38] <BUGabundo> usser: on LP or the changes ML
[22:39] <usser> BUGabundo, yea i figured its gotta per-application basis, rotate isnt part of standard xorg
[22:39] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: sure there is
[22:39] <usser> BUGabundo, lemme try it
[22:39] <BUGabundo> cron it back
[22:39] <vbgunz> if I change the ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=mem to ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=standby ... do I have to do anything else? can I blacklist everything to put to sleep? theres got to be some options no??
[22:39]  * BUGabundo can't keep more then 3 conversations on the same $
[22:39] <BUGabundo> s/$/#
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: can't, the file is changed during a do-dist-upgrade process so no way to sync the change so it gets used with the user's contents not the processes
[22:40] <BUGabundo> hardlink it to a virtual filesystem
[22:40] <BUGabundo> something similar to tmpfs
[22:41] <BUGabundo> and mount it as RO
[22:41] <BUGabundo> root WON'T change that
[22:41] <vbgunz> does it help to say, the motherboard thinks the processor is damaged when I resume from suspend? the processor though is perfect *but* this only happens after trying to resume
[22:41] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: oh well, he'll have to chase up support since it is a problem with an Ubuntu mirror not containing the required files to support the dist-upgrade
[22:41] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:41] <BUGabundo> and change the mirror until fixed
[22:41] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: Hmmm... yeah, that is a bit of overkill but!
[22:41] <BUGabundo> ehehh
[22:41] <BUGabundo> when all fails, we geek up
[22:41] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos any luck?
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> That's what he's doing, changing to a good mirror, but the process changes it back in real-time based on its own logic
[22:42] <CosmiChaos_> sry got kicked out
[22:42] <BUGabundo> btw IntuitiveNipple just as a reminder: bootchart patch FAIL
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: in what way fail? fails to stop it?
[22:42] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo:  please repeat all you said to me from my last respond
[22:42] <linkinx64> i love the new login window :)
[22:42] <BUGabundo> stupid UM logic
[22:42] <BUGabundo> let mvo know
[22:42] <CosmiChaos_> IntuitiveNipple: it does not create a bootchart
[22:43] <BUGabundo> there's a gconf flag for it to not change
[22:43] <IntuitiveNipple> When you call "stop-bootchart stop" it doesn't create it?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> according to CosmiChaos it doest make bootcharts
[22:43] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: I have autologin
[22:43] <BUGabundo> only saw screenshots
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[22:43] <linkinx64> ROFL
[22:43] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo: for what not to change? i want my bootcharts back
[22:43] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos_: remove nostop for now
[22:44] <linkinx64> BUGabundo, so did u speak spanish?
[22:44] <vbgunz> when making changes to acpi-support do I need to do anyting *before* testing it out? intramfs or something crazy?
[22:44] <CosmiChaos_> hm ok and how do i generate bootchart through X and login?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: ahhh? Portuguese here
[22:44] <linkinx64> nice
[22:44] <linkinx64> cuban :)
[22:44] <linkinx64> my scroll still does not work :(
[22:44] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos_: you can't! its at boot
[22:45] <BUGabundo> linkinx64: my parents where there a few weeks back
[22:45] <linkinx64> how was it?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> and I found out I have multitoutch
[22:45] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo: then want do you wanted from me you saw my bootchart for 21 secs didnt you?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> well since stop isn't working wtm
[22:46] <BUGabundo> maybe my dump sleep will
[22:47] <CosmiChaos_> ah ok i thought it was meant to do so
[22:47] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos_: bread a bit!
[22:48] <BUGabundo> you may be getting ideas mixed
[22:48] <CosmiChaos_> is that good or bad
[22:48] <BUGabundo> when we first started talking about messuring the session time
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I asked you to use nostop
[22:48] <BUGabundo> which you proved was broken
[22:48] <BUGabundo> so I recommend using a sleep
[22:49] <BUGabundo> then IntuitiveNipple tried to patch it, and you reported it failed
[22:49] <BUGabundo> so I'm going back a dum sleep
[22:49] <BUGabundo> *dumb
[22:49] <CosmiChaos_> you mean pushing the bootchart far along by manually making it load say for 60 secs? :)
[22:49] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and then the regular kill will kick in and stop it
[22:50] <CosmiChaos_> how to count the realtime then ;X
[22:50] <BUGabundo> without we using nostop
[22:51] <CosmiChaos_> why do you want to see my session?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ppl are going crazy about this multitouch on jaunty, over at identi.ca
[22:52] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:52] <CosmiChaos_> i dont think a sleep will work because it just pausing the system ;)
[22:53] <BUGabundo> it used to work for me, up until that change to add nostop
[22:53] <CosmiChaos_> maybe a sleep & ;)
[22:54] <CosmiChaos_> well im very very tired
[22:55] <Peddyt> When dist-upgrading to Alpha 5, I get this error when configuring python:DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead. Is this a known problem, and can someone please help me?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no
[22:56] <BUGabundo> you just pause the stop script
[22:56] <BUGabundo> not the system
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so that the kill waits a few more seconds
[22:56] <DaemonFC> I wonder if anyone has the new Nimbus theme
[22:56] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: python is being migrated
[22:57] <BUGabundo> it will cause many many many many many trouble on the days to come
[22:57] <DaemonFC> BUGabuntu: I noticed :P
[22:57] <DaemonFC> watch what you upgrade over the next few days
[22:57] <Peddyt> BUGabundo: oh, after 30 minutes it just started working :P
[22:57] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo:  echo sleep=8 >> myself
[22:57] <Peddyt> just then*
[22:58] <DaemonFC> I don't know why so many things have to be built in Python
[22:58] <DaemonFC> isn't Mono becoming more the norm in GNOME?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> DaemonFC: too late for me
[22:59] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:00] <BUGabundo> DaemonFC: cause python is great?
[23:00] <DaemonFC> I think the uncyclopedia Ubuntu article was pretty much right about Ubuntu where it said "The primary goal of Ubuntu is to rewrite Debian in Python"
[23:00] <DaemonFC> :P
[23:00] <BUGabundo> nope... mono is just another
[23:00] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha
[23:00] <DaemonFC> I rewrote a lot of that article though
[23:00] <BUGabundo> that deservs a RT
[23:00] <DaemonFC> late last year
[23:01] <DaemonFC> as well as the iTunes article
[23:01] <Peddyt> How do I fix this? xchat: Depends: xchat-common (= 2.8.6-2.1ubuntu2) but 2.8.6-2.1ubuntu3
[23:01] <DaemonFC> I think the Solaris article still hasn't been changed from when I wrote it
[23:01] <Peddyt> is installed*
[23:03] <Peddyt> It's happening with a lot of packages... ccsm as well
[23:03] <bruce89> CosmiChaos_: 8 seconds of sleep?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: you have to wait until its build
[23:03] <BUGabundo> I guess the build dd are busy with all python stuff
[23:03] <Peddyt> BUGabundo: until what's built?
[23:04] <Peddyt> on my system?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> the new package
[23:04] <BUGabundo> no no
[23:04] <BUGabundo> on canonical servers
[23:04] <Peddyt> aha thanks
[23:04] <BUGabundo> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+build
[23:04] <Peddyt>  compizconfig-settings-manager: Depends: python-compizconfig (>= 0.7.8) but it is not going to be installed
[23:04] <Peddyt> hehe Firefox won't start either, so I can't view the build process
[23:05] <BUGabundo> is LP down?????????
[23:05] <bruce89> no
[23:06]  * bruce89 doesn't understand the fascination people have about new versions of stuff
[23:06] <Peddyt> BUGabundo: that URL is not valid...
[23:06] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[23:06] <BUGabundo> took it long to open here
[23:06] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[23:07] <Peddyt> thank you BUGabundo
[23:07] <BUGabundo> lost an 's'
[23:07] <Peddyt> :D
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bruce89: why are you using jaunty and not hardy?
[23:08] <bruce89> good question
[23:08] <Peddyt> BUGabundo: it only says that boinc, wxwidgets and OO.org are still building, how would that affect Python?
[23:08] <Peddyt> or do they release everything once everything's complete?
[23:08] <bruce89> I suppose I meant minor version changes
[23:08] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: and its for armel
[23:08] <BUGabundo> not even 386 or 64
[23:09] <Peddyt> yeah
[23:09] <bruce89> http://www.mail-archive.com/jaunty-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/
[23:10] <dnwe> jaunty multitouch info? :)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> guys brb
[23:10] <BUGabundo> need to restart my 3g modem
[23:10] <bruce89> where on earth does all this nonsense come from?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> it thinks it is on 3g
[23:11] <BUGabundo> when actually is 2g
[23:11] <BUGabundo> dnwe: LOL
[23:11]  * BUGabundo point to usser
[23:11]  * BUGabundo and then runsssssssss
[23:11] <dnwe> heh
[23:11] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo: but booting in 35 secs inc nvidia, vbox,, cups, sane, samba, proftp, mysql5, apach2 is quite accurate isn't it?
[23:11] <usser> huh
[23:11] <Peddyt> usser: I got the rxvt thing working btw :)
[23:12] <usser> Peddyt, sweet, i'm glad you figured it out
[23:12] <Peddyt> :D
[23:12] <Peddyt> I even got a statically compiled libusb working
[23:15] <BUGabundo> dnwe: just use jaunty
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it should be there
[23:16] <Peddyt> I can't open *anything*, in fact if I close this xchat window it probably won't open again... apt-get says this when I try to install stuff: python-compizconfig: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I'm too
[23:16] <BUGabundo> would be great to see older HW using multitouch
[23:16] <dnwe> BUGabundo: i'm on jaunty ;p
[23:16] <BUGabundo> if you test it, let us know
[23:16] <BUGabundo> then "touch" the touchpad
[23:16] <BUGabundo> with 2 fingers
[23:16] <dnwe> heh
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Going where no #geek as gone before: using 2 #pidgins at once, so if one crash the other keeps going $pidgin -m
[23:18] <dnwe> BUGabundo: http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotmousepreferen.png
[23:20] <BUGabundo> can't see it
[23:20] <dnwe> ?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> imageshack and my addblock
[23:20] <dnwe> heh
[23:20] <BUGabundo> don't like eachotehr
[23:20] <BUGabundo> notice the pun on addblock vs adblock
[23:21] <BUGabundo> ok seeing it now
[23:21] <BUGabundo> what is that supposed to show?
[23:22] <dnwe> trackpad section in mouse preferences
[23:22] <dnwe> no mention of multitouch
[23:23] <BUGabundo> De Marco Barreto a 26 de Fevereiro de 2009 às 15:08     Geek: "Someone who has a difficult time loosing his virginity but can compile a Linux Kernel"
[23:23] <BUGabundo> no need
[23:24] <BUGabundo> "it just works" TM
[23:25] <dnwe> well what should it do with 2 fingers? ;p
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:26] <BUGabundo> scroll up and down
[23:26] <BUGabundo> on a wind with a scroll
[23:26] <BUGabundo> bar
[23:26] <BUGabundo> as you did with just one on the right side
[23:27] <dnwe> ah cool
[23:27] <dnwe> wheres the doc for this?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> dunno
[23:28] <BUGabundo> didn't even knew I had it until an hour ago
[23:33] <DaemonFC> in case nobody noticed, Ubuntu can now boot on XFS
[23:33] <DaemonFC> B-)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> duh
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I'm doing it
[23:36] <bruce89> not exactly new
[23:37] <DaemonFC> meh, the Alpha 5 CD can do it and they didn't mention it :P
[23:39] <bruce89> didn't mention anything by the looks of things
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[23:39]  * BUGabundo points to my emails to devel list on unfit release notes
[23:40] <DaemonFC> I've used XFS for years, I usually just replaced GRUB and used LILO instead
[23:41] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: patches welcome.
[23:41] <DaemonFC> GRUB could only deal with XFS if you had /boot on something it was capable of booting
[23:42] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: if you have read my emails
[23:42] <BUGabundo> you will noticed that I mention its not easy
[23:42] <BUGabundo> but those (devs) who do maintain and interact with Upstream
[23:42] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: that's probably why it hasn't been done more - it's a case of reading jaunty-changes, and specs.
[23:43] <BUGabundo> *should* have better change of knowing about master changes the *us* the common users
[23:43] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: I already read all apt-changes
[23:43] <Hobbsee> then you should be in a reasonable position to help write the release notes ;)
[23:43] <BUGabundo> which even today lead to a discussion with intuitive
[23:44] <Hobbsee> it's the problem of those who ahve the most clue about everything have the least amount of time, and the most stuff that has to be done by them.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: chicken eggs prob
[23:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I'm not pointing to post changes
[23:44] <BUGabundo> but to PRIOR
[23:44] <BUGabundo> yes I know .... time is scarse
[23:44] <BUGabundo> then its upstream prob! they should document it better!
[23:45] <Hobbsee> then you're just passing the buck - they have the same problem too
[23:45] <Hobbsee> fortunately, things like gnome do have pretty good release notes, although, afaik, they generate them in the same way.
[23:46] <Hobbsee> or at least, gnome does, as there was a post on planet about it yesterday
[23:46] <Hobbsee> fwiw, there has been some stuff on this - there's been a warning post about python breaking over the weekend, to -announce.
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I knew it already on wedsday
[23:51] <bruce89> the magic of aptitude
[23:52] <BUGabundo> bruce89: stop saying that!
[23:52] <BUGabundo> all apps tht you use, based on python will fail the same
[23:52] <bruce89> probably, I just haven't noticed
[23:53] <BUGabundo> no ccsm, gwibber, aptoncd?
[23:53] <bruce89> don't use them
[23:54] <bruce89> or update-manager
[23:56] <dnwe> <--- aptitude vest