[00:01] linkinx64: apt-get install notify-osd [00:02] nice [00:02] ty [00:04] so every time i enter a vmware VM, the ctrl/alt/shift keys get screwy and require reset with 'setxkbmap' [00:04] anyone know of a way to avoid needing to do that after *each* enter/leaving of the VM screen? [00:04] i don't think it happened so often in intrepid [00:32] KPackageKit doesn't work [00:33] dammit [00:33] i got one of those dells with a weird internal micro [00:34] (they dont have enough gain by default [00:34] :( flash it's installed and firefox keeps saying it is not [00:34] * bruce89 is annoyed that my Dell didn't have a microwave built-in [00:36] linkinx64: just as well IMHO [00:36] ;( [00:36] and no scrolling on my laptop [00:38] * charlie-tca justs want the coffee maker built in. It has the cup holder.... [00:38] has yours got a laser for warming the coffee? [00:39] * DanaG had to tweak his laptop a bit to get scrolling working. [00:39] No! Did I get ripped off? [00:39] Needs to go in a hal fdi file instead of in xorg.conf. [00:39] I WANT the laser, too [00:39] Oh, maybe that's what the thing is. [00:40] * bruce89 wonders what use the turntable would have [00:40] oh, boy. I did get ripped off. [00:41] * charlie-tca thinks it keeps the cup turning to heat the coffee even [00:41] actually, the other computer here has a toast slot [00:42] has it got the little adjustment wheel for lighter? [00:42] I have to cut the bread very thin though [00:42] just a big button to get the toast out [00:43] Easier than trying to dig it out [00:44] this one has a heater too, but it doesn't seem to toast things much [00:44] Maybe the toaster part broke? [00:44] no matter how much I jam toast in [00:44] * bruce89 wonders if the CPU's supposed to be on fire [00:45] I got one that cooks, but no place to put the pot [00:46] Wanna' cook something? Try a Pentium D. [00:46] That's an ecological disaster. =þ [00:46] * bruce89 wonders if the blue socket on the back is really to keep automatic pencil leads [00:47] with its 15 handy wee holes [00:47] Q: anyone working on power management issues? Jaunty is not suspending/hibernating on a test thinkpad and I am willing to debug... but would like to work with someone who knows the code. [00:47] Sounds like it! Mine is older, and everything is black [00:48] Real hard to see the lead after filling it [00:48] very difficult to get out without rubber gloves too [00:49] They made your holes too deep. Mine sticks out of them [00:49] Break a lot with it, but easy to get to [00:50] those rectangular sockets on the side are good for rubbers (erasers if that's rude) [00:51] I wondered about them [00:51] Just got to keep them small [00:51] hmm pages in firefox are jiggling vertically [00:51] anyone see this? [00:51] I can not load compiz, but I am not sure what is the problem ! can you help me to file a bug [00:53] I find the wee hollow with two buttons below is quite useful to keep water in [00:53] :-) [00:53] * bruce89 is scraping the barrel now [00:54] I use it instead of licking the stamps [00:54] surely e-mail has somewhat voided that thing now [00:55] No, still got to mail my bills [00:55] Too many mailing lists, they tend to get lost in the email [00:55] true [00:56] the gaps in the keys on the keyboard are good to keep crackers in [00:56] are keyboards supposed to be green? [00:57] Only on macs [00:57] Leave the cheese slices there too long? [00:57] ah === Tukon_ is now known as Tukon [01:08] ok, ironed out some of the snd_pcm_avail_update() issues in jaunty's PulseAudio [01:09] the situation should be much better even without alsa-lib 1.0.19 [01:10] source and binary test packages will be available in my ppa shortly [01:18] pulseaudio files in /dev/shm/ are 65 MB [01:20] well, i _could_ merge the garbage collection patch, too [01:24] * aboSamoor Upgrading pulse audio packages fixes the output sound. [01:26] err, more context, please? [01:27] * aboSamoor Compiz is working after changing COMPIZ_BIN_PATH, PLUGIN_PATH, COMPIZ_NAME in /usr/bin/compiz [01:27] namely, which pulseaudio packages fix the output sound, and how? [01:40] dtchen_: I am not sure, the sound was not clear [has noise] even it is recognizable making upgrades to the following packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/124078/ returned the situation of the output sound to one I had in 8.10 even it was not as good as the situation in 8.04. In 8.10 I have to lower PCM in volume mixer so I can get clear sound while in 8.04 it is always clear whatever PCM is [01:41] aboSamoor: yes, the next upload of pa should have much better performance [01:42] bruce89: is 65 MB seriously an issue? [01:42] dtchen_: it also seems that gstreamer alsa package has been also upgraded http://paste.ubuntu.com/124079/ [01:42] i *could* merge some garbage collection on the mempool routines, but there's no real drive to do so unless the current situation is causing oomkill [01:44] dtchen_: what is this PCM has to do with audio output quality ? [01:44] dtchen_: I don't know, what are those files? [01:46] bruce89: those are files that pulseaudio allocates to cache audio [01:47] aboSamoor: meaning "PCM mixer attenuation/gain" or something else? [01:47] right, I just got a fright when I looked at the memory map of totem [01:48] bruce89: again, they shouldn't be problematic, since they are garbage-collected [01:48] bruce89: just not as frequently as perhaps one would like [01:48] ah, that's fine then [01:49] ok, so without some kernel config changes, i don't think we're ever gonna be able to wipe the initial audio glitches [01:50] PA makes some rather interesting assumptions about the lower bound of the kernel scheduler's effect on quite a few things [01:51] i could bump the initial watermark, but i don't know without testing how that will perform [01:53] Jaunty opens windows by default in maximized undecorated mode ! [01:54] anyone know where to get xbmc binary [02:10] Hey all, anyone else have half the installer processes run in the background? [02:10] including resize2fs? [02:13] I'm trying to install Jaunty alpha 5 on my flash drive [02:13] but the thingy only sees the FAT partition [02:13] I want to install it on the ext2 partition [02:13] (4 GB flash drive, 1 GB FAT, 3 GB ext2) [02:13] Is there a newer version of this tool in jaunty that might be able to run on Intrepid so I could do this? [02:14] can you format the file system yourself and then use that partition? [02:15] well [02:15] I have files on it [02:15] I need it for stuff, constantly [02:15] that's what the 1 GB fat partition is for [02:15] dns53: not sure I understand what you mean [02:16] so you want your vfat partition and it resized and have your linux partition also on that drive? [02:16] dns53: if I understand the question, yes [02:16] it's 1 GB FAT, 3 GB ext2 [02:16] hmm [02:17] the ext2 exists already? [02:17] yes [02:17] yes, it's fat, haha [02:17] I think it wants me to set the boot flag on it [02:17] * ethana2 opens gparted [02:18] you are suppose to be able to specify that you want to just use the existing partition, i don't use the live cd myself i use the alternate install that can easily do that [02:18] grr, the USB image installer still only sees the FAT partition [02:23] ext2? [02:24] bruce89: I don't want to kill my flash drive with journalling [02:24] good answer [02:24] though the N800 uses JFFS2 [02:25] * ethana2 has filed a launchpad question [02:26] https://answers.launchpad.net/usb-creator/+question/62573 [02:33] bruce89: JFFS2 only works (properly) with raw flash [02:37] grub2 is cool [02:37] * usser wonders if its going to be default in jaunty [02:39] seems much the same as 1, but works with ext4 properly [02:39] bruce89, it accepts tga and png as backgounds :) [02:39] nice === the is now known as ubuntu4life === JanC_ is now known as JanC === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [04:07] hey guys I believe I read that jaunty has a background changer with transitions? [04:07] is that correct? === les_ is now known as les [04:16] * DanaG wishes the login screen theme at least had some sort of "box" around the input box. [04:30] anybody test alpha 5 yet? [04:32] Hi. So this is the channel for jaunty-specifics? I dist-upgraded to jaunty yesterday. Afterwards, the fglrx-driver wouldn't load anymore: http://rafb.net/p/jvetbU33.html [04:32] I tried the fglrx-packages in the repositories, ones built from the ATI-installer and direct installation. [04:33] So... Is there a fix yet? [04:33] I believe fglrx is still broken [04:33] Oh, and I'm using an ATI Radeon 4850HD. [04:34] Aw... [04:34] Can I downgrade safely? ^^ [04:34] no [04:35] So jaunty has certainly broken my system in a bad way. [04:35] Oh well... [04:36] Is anybody working on it with great esteem? [04:36] mine it's ok [04:37] since alpha 5 it's even faster [04:37] garou: only ATI knows [04:37] linkinx64: What did you do that I didn't? [04:37] well i had 8.10 and upgraded that's it [04:37] you're using fglrx? [04:37] no [04:37] try to install from the iso [04:40] Okay, so is it "just" unsafe to downgrade to intrepid or is it a really, really stupid idea? [04:47] garou, theres no official way to downgrade at all. most you can do is keep your home and overwrite root [04:47] garou, if you try and change your sources.list from jaunty to hardy its gonna blow up \ [04:48] It is possible, with apt pinning.... but stuff can break.... badly. [04:48] You'd better know apt like the back of your own hand to be able to do it. [04:48] Better just to wait out whatever's up with Jaunty. [04:49] you should be able to get 2d with either radeon or radeonhd [04:54] I'm using a PPA that has the new radeon. [04:54] My only gripe with the radeon driver is that it doesn't support anything but basic power management. [04:55] It can change the clock speed, but apparently not the voltages or such. [04:55] Thanks... [04:56] crdlb: Well, I *really* want to work with 3D, Blender and Crystal Space, to be exact. [04:57] does anyone know of a way to change the desktop picture from the console [05:02] How can I get notify-osd to blur things behind it like in this example? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Inside%20the%20bubble [05:03] Is it just me, or is it bad manners to hardcode a color like that black color? [05:03] Why is kubuntu-restricted-extras going to install pulseaudio? [05:12] DanaG, were you referring to me? [05:22] Peddy: using compiz? what video card? [05:22] crdlb, yep, and nvidia 9800gt. [05:23] make sure the Blur plugin is enabled, I guess [05:23] in compiz [05:24] Ah, thank you. I didn't know it was compiz-related :) [05:24] well, I didn't know it uses Compiz' blur. [05:24] jaunty hasn't been feature frozen has it? [05:24] Peddy: did that work? [05:24] I was wondering why alsa 1.0.19 isn't in jaunty yet. [05:24] crdlb, yes, works nicely [05:25] oh yeah, there's an alsa-driver-linuxant site that has a 1.0.19. [05:25] blurring itself would be extremely slow and quite impractical [05:25] 1.0.19 doesn't offer much difference for my hardware. [05:25] ugh, stupid usb-creator won't let me force it to use an sdhc card. [05:26] I am running an installed 9.04 Alpha 4 updated to the latest and I can find no pdf readers. kpdf, nor Adobe. Um..help? [05:26] how would I go about deploying an iso file to an SD (SDHC) card? [05:30] RaW[b33f]: is evince not installed? [05:31] usb-creator won't do it -- the memory card reader I want to boot from... is not on the USB bus. [05:33] ziroday hmmm .. no [05:34] RaW[b33f]: well that's the default pdf viewer, you are using ubuntu right? [05:34] ~$ which evince [05:34] ~$ [05:34] ugh, it's a moot point, anyway.... can't use SDHC slot in Linux with anything older than 2.6.29. [05:34] kubuntu [05:35] RaW[b33f]: ah, don't know about kubuntu, but I know they have some fancy viewer [05:35] RaW[b33f]: err do you have okular installed? [05:35] is there a #kubuntu+1 channel? [05:35] RaW[b33f]: nope [05:36] I do. Is it the inheritor of kpdf? [05:36] RaW[b33f]: yeah, okular is the sucessor to kpdf in kde4 [05:36] hmm [05:36] I will do more work [05:38] * DanaG wonders when jaunty+1 will have repos. =þ [05:38] ty ziroday [05:38] hello [05:38] anyone notice the gimp crashes? [05:38] heh, my laptop can boot from SD card... as long as the OS supports it. [05:38] it crashes and i get these messages [05:38] (script-fu:15174): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: gimp_wire_read(): error [05:38] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [05:42] is there a way to report a bug with all the specs of my computer? [05:44] ziroday - still odd though that I cannot see okular as an installed program in adept. Also, with the extra libraries installed I can install Adobe flash, but not Acrobat. I know that it is not part of production. It is just an odd thing I think. [05:45] RaW[b33f]: well acrobat reader is propriatery, its probably in multiverse [05:46] Oddly, not that I can see. I find the new Adept very confining though [05:46] I got flash easy enough, but no Acrobat to be found [05:54] there is no acrobat-download-package in jaunty [05:54] JanC Thank you. I am not crazy then :) [05:56] I've never needed it anyway, so why not use evince or whatever KDE provides [05:56] For me they solve different issues [06:06] so python issue is not resolved yet huh ? [06:06] does evince support 'fill-able' pdf files? [06:08] yes [06:09] perhaps not perfectly, but it does support them [06:11] I just noticed, the IDE controller card also vanished! [06:11] (after updating to jaunty) [06:12] lspci still sees it: 01:01.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02) [06:12] But I can't access it an [06:13] ymore via Nautilus. [06:16] being new at the feedback end of things - where do I make my wishes/hopes/please oh please things known? [06:18] RaW[b33f]: Sounds like an altar would be appropriate. :) [06:18] COOL - where is it, I got penguin at the zoo I can steal [06:18] Do you also have herrings that you can slip the penguins? [06:19] ...erm .. I mean Gnus ... [06:19] That should give you karma. [06:19] ...which gives me a nice idea for a weird MMORPG... [06:19] carp - I mean I have a selection of old Gates I can break up [06:20] I guess one of my things is that the conf file for X11 now no longer has any conf in it [06:21] I can understand part of it, but I want to tune the keys of my mouse [08:02] anyone having issues with sound? [08:29] Meh. Intrepid>Jaunty upgrade seems to be broken right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/335623 [08:29] Ubuntu bug 335623 in update-manager "Intrepid -> Jaunty Alpha5 : can not mark 'ubuntu-desktp' for upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] === rdw200169_ is now known as rdw200169 [09:53] anybody else having problems to logout, reboot or halt the computer? ... seems i now really need to CTRL + ALT F1 > login to console and do these actions from there [09:53] what do you mean by problems? [09:53] by ... not working anymore [09:53] not respons .... [09:53] Ctrl+alt+bksp is disabled by default and log out was removed from the system menu (:/) [09:54] when going back to CTRL ALT F7 i see a complete blank screen [09:54] nvidia? [09:54] there is a command to re enable ctrl alt bksp [09:54] dns53: how? [09:55] crdlb: yes [09:55] common bug with that driver :/ [09:55] crdlb: :-( [09:56] just upgraded that driver yes .... and this bug happened after that [09:57] how i can go back to the older driver ? [09:57] * Hobbsee grabs dontzap, after being reminded [09:58] I'm on the fence about that feature [09:58] alt+sysrq doesn't seem to work on my machine. [09:58] at least it's not Shift+Bksp like it was in Xgl [09:59] one of the Xgl developers thought c-a-b was too much work [09:59] anyone else not getting a terminal when hitting ctrl+alt+f1, and getting bounced back to X? [09:59] heh === zniavre1 is now known as zniavre [10:01] Hobbsee: intermittently [10:01] hrm, ok [10:01] now that I've tried it a dozen times, it works fine [10:05] So? ... can somebody tell me how to re- enable this CTRL ALT BKSP for killing X .. or do i have to google it ? [10:06] dontzap [10:06] sudo dontzap --disable [10:06] ah :-) ..... [10:06] Thanks [10:07] isn't there supposed to be a GUI coming, or did that get scrapped? [10:07] there is in kde [10:07] don't think there was enough time for gnome [10:07] :/ [10:07] Is this a ubuntu program or a linux program which is used by the other distro's too ...... [10:08] ubuntu really should make some decisions two releases in advance ... [10:08] because ctrl alt bsp in opensuse give me a rather annoying beep sound instead of killing x [10:08] the dependency problem with ubuntu-desktop package is a known issue, correct? [10:08] it's just setting an upstream xorg.conf option ("DontZap") [10:09] * Hobbsee checks just how old xserver-xorg is two releases ago [10:09] oh, only one release less [10:09] I got a strange bug on kde4 Jaunty, a rendering issue in the panel [10:10] I don't konw against which package I am supposed to fill a bug [10:10] it affects some widget but not all [10:10] Mycroft_: what gfx card / chipset do you have? [10:10] ati R300 + free driver [10:10] can you show a screenshot of the problem? [10:11] give me a minute [10:11] mmh In fact I got to go [10:11] so I'll be back later with a screenshot [10:11] ok :) [10:32] Im actually seeing it too [10:32] and I have vidia binary [10:32] nvidia* [10:33] The lower/right borders of some widgets are renderde one pixel below/left. leaving one pixel gap. [10:45] hi [10:45] hi [10:46] I have a problem, I can't install ubuntu-desktop package [10:46] it has been deinstalled yesterday with an upgrde [10:46] http://pastebin.com/d3ad6059c [10:47] can hardly understand the error message [10:47] but try to change your repos [10:47] system - admin - software origins [10:48] the error message is "the following packages have unsatisfied dependencies" [10:48] ubuntu-desktop: depends gnome-app-install ... [10:48] fosco_: It says that gnome-app-install, ubufox, and gnome-games can't be installed. Same thing is happening to some intrepid>jaunty upgrades right now. I think there's a broken python package somewhere. [10:48] recommends: gnome-games [10:48] so, change your repos [10:48] some packages in your current repos are broken [10:49] you're right : sudo apt-get install gnome-app-install : depends: python-launchpad-integration [10:49] python-launchpad-integration: Dépend: python (< 2.6) mais 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 devra être installé [10:49] fosco_: The packages in the main repo are broken. The repos that are out of date and don't have the broken packages yet will be broken soon. [10:49] ok, so I have to wait [10:49] and reinstall ubuntu-desktop when it's ok? [10:49] rom_: basically, yes. It'll probably get fixed soon. [10:49] didn't know it [10:49] ok, thanks [10:50] rom_: I or someone else will update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/335623 when it gets fixed. [10:50] Ubuntu bug 335623 in update-manager "Intrepid -> Jaunty Alpha5 : can not mark 'ubuntu-desktp' for upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:50] * DanaG wishes ubuntu would do what suse does: it makes you ctrl-alt-backspace TWICE. [10:50] another little problem, evolution opens a dialog box instead of a notification when I get a new mail [10:50] Not disable zap entirely... you have to press it twice. [10:53] My touchpad works in intrepid but not in jaunty, is it normal ? [10:53] or should I report [11:00] rom_: might as well report it, especially if you know the laptop model and/or type of trackpad. [11:02] in alpha4 you had to apt-get xorg-driver-synaptics to get it working. Dunno how it's in alpha5 [11:02] ok I install it to test [11:02] I have to reboot I guess [11:02] I'll test later [11:25] hello is jaunty such breakable that when you install it it wil break every 5 minutes? [11:25] amortvigil: it happens between some updates [11:26] when I first started, it hung every 10 minutes or so. then after kernel updates, problem is gone [11:26] then other problems will crop out, or regressions may occur [11:27] syockit:and when will be the first beta? [11:27] but hopefully, by release candidate, every major bugs get fixed [11:27] somewhere in april? [11:27] Yeah, I think it's somewhere two-three weeks before the release [11:28] oaky [11:28] and i want to reinatall linux is it beter to stay with 8.10 or would you already install jaunty [11:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule [11:29] amortvigil: if it's not work-critical, then you can Jaunty [11:29] by work-critical I mean your work's survival depends on Ubuntu's stability [11:30] If using for leisure purpose, you can install Jaunty and help track bugs [11:30] syockit: well its not my work pc but it has also a windows dual boot [11:31] but if you're not used with how Ubuntu (or any Linux system) works, then better stay with Intrepid [11:31] ah, I first installed Ubuntu as dual boot too [11:32] It was kind of handy to have a working OS to get support from the internet when Ubuntu happens to break [11:32] although there is also the liveCD for that, but live CD boots up slow [11:34] syockit: i know how ubuntu works [11:36] How your experience will be also depends on your hardware. For example, my computer uses Intel graphics drivers, and they break often because the developers are making very rapid changes [11:37] It was the same case for Nvidia/ati too, but it seems they somehow have sorted out, as I'm seeing people complain about it less & less by day [11:40] hmm i have a netbook [11:40] so it will prpbably be a problem [11:41] acer aspire one [11:41] 150 bb [11:42] Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 [11:42] if don't have ubuntu installed, you can then try installing jaunty first. if there are too many breakages, then you can install intrepid over it (reformat the ubuntu partition) [11:43] btw I think currently, Jaunty's intel driver is buggy, many things are working sluggishly. I'm using a xorg-edgers driver, so I'm saved [11:44] xorg-edges/ [11:44] ? [11:47] there's this PPA for bleeding-edge xorg drivers on launchpad.net [11:48] cool [11:48] interesting. I didn't know about that. [12:41] Hello everyone [12:41] I'm trying to install Jaunty (daily,amd64,alternate) and have a problem :( Can anyone help? [12:42] !ask [12:42] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:42] The installer failes to continue because of python-launchpad-integration unmet depency [12:42] ubottu: ok, thanks :) [12:42] Sorry, I don't know anything about ok, thanks :) [12:43] Have anyone same problem? [12:43] yes, python-launchpad-integration depends on < python <<2.6* [12:44] MichalPenka2, have you tried installing alpha5 ?, jaunty is in transition to move python 2.6 so some things will be broken until it is complete [12:44] cruster: have you solved it somehow? [12:44] not yet, sorry, just installed alpha5 :P [12:45] bardyr: alpha 5 is the very latest official release? The one I have is today's build [12:45] I also have problem with my bluetooth mouse...it is added to the system just fine, but does not connect... [12:45] hello, are python based packages broken? [12:45] yes [12:45] MichalPenka2, yea it was released a couple of days ago [12:46] install alpha-5, get updates and have it break again? no way! [12:46] cruster, try blueman, it works much better [12:46] bardyr: So you have been successfull with alpha-5 installation [12:46] ? [12:46] syockit: yeah happens with upgrade but just some packages, they are not many [12:46] syockit, just wait a couple of days to do a upgrade :) [12:46] MichalPenka2, yea [12:46] Hobbsee, this is with the 3.0 2.5/6 compability isssues? [12:47] bardyr: ok, I'll give it a try, I have 97 % downloaded already :) [12:47] s0ullight: yes [12:49] bardyr: did you installed the desktop or the alternate way? [12:49] well, I guess python 2.6 packages are being prepared...hope they will not be late... [12:49] MichalPenka2, alternative [12:50] bardyr: hm, I've accidentally downloaded desktop, but I'll try it [12:50] any clues for bluetooth connection issues? [12:51] cruster, try blueman, it fixed all my bluetooth needs [12:51] bardyr: i'll give it a try, thanks [12:52] cruster: ? 2.6.1 is already in there. it's just that a lot of things don't work with them yet [12:52] cruster, https://launchpad.net/blueman its not included in jaunty so you need to add a ppa [12:52] hobbsee: I mean programms that depend on python 2.6, my mistake [12:53] ah [13:03] hi, i can't install deluge in the latest daily image [13:04] bardyr: thanks, works just fine! [13:04] cruster, great, np :) [13:04] bardyr: will it start automatically on boot? [13:04] cruster, it should [13:05] cruster, check you session [13:05] bardyr, yeah, it's there [13:06] bardyr: bluetooth manager applet is the old one, or the tray applet? [13:07] cruster, huh? [13:08] bardyr: on my startup apps there is an entry "blueman bluetooth manager" and one "bluetooth manager applet". the latter is the tray icon or the old bluetooth manager? [13:08] the latter is the old [13:08] ok thanks [13:13] lol I just realized the tabs in gvim uses native gtk widget instead! so gonna byebye gedit [13:42] does anyone else experience frequent gimp crashes? [13:43] does anyone have any ideas on how to change the desktop picture from the console? [13:45] shadowhywind, gconf? [14:05] whats going with suspend/resume. its really badly broken in Jaunty? [14:08] after i installed a vanilla kernel of 2.6.29-rc all my problems went away [14:09] my laptop has never played so nice with linux [14:10]